[04:00] hi anyone awake. im using hardy and some of my clients are not receiving DHCP response from the server. [04:00] i have 25 client, so far i have 7 thin clients which booted [12:39] With LTSP and local apps. is there any operation difference between local and remote apps? Do both display on the same screen ? [13:02] neil_d: yes they do, though localapps may require some tweaking (especially the ones relying on dbus/gconf) [13:10] stgraber: ok, is there a step by step guide on how to setup local apps. especially firefox ? [13:10] stgraber: I haven't found one yet. [13:24] neil_d: not really, localapps are pretty new and not yet really well integrated [13:25] neil_d: you'll need firefox (without ubufox) installed in the chroot and a launcher on the application server to trigger it [13:25] (sorry, can't help much, I'm in a meeting :)) [13:25] stgraber: ok thanks for the info. [17:22] hi all [17:22] hi LaserJock [17:23] hi [17:23] you guys read over the agenda yet? [17:23] sort of, I'm following the QA meeting at the same time :) [17:24] oh, and having lunch too [17:24] LaserJock: ah, is it in here? [17:24] lol [17:24] highvoltage: the meeting? no, it's supposed to be in #ubuntu-meeting in 36 min [17:24] ah [17:24] just wanted to get the creative juices flowing [17:27] just looking over the agenda now trying to do the same thing [17:58] ok, Edubuntu meeting in 2 minutes [18:02] Edubuntu meeting is right now in #ubuntu-meeting [18:49] ogra: do you know somebody else? http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LocoTeam/UbuntuMember [18:50] not on first look [18:50] i'll ping you if someone strikes me [19:28] ogra: thxs [19:51] and thanks to LaserJock for organising that much needed meeting [19:51] Yes, thank you LaserJock [19:52] yups [19:53] no problem [19:53] I'm just glad some people showed up [19:54] Is there anyone here interested in creating a YouTube campaign for Edubuntu and/or LTSP for demonstration purposes? [19:54] * nubae nominates Lns [19:54] LaserJock: when you've got a draft together of the plan (I'll do my best to help there), then we should blog the next meeting so that it gets some more exposure [19:54] lol thx nubae [19:55] Lns: I'd like doing some technical ones. Like how to set up LTSP, etc. [19:55] I think we have a wiki spot for those, one sec [19:55] it could also be a directory on http://video.ubuntu.com [19:55] oh wow [19:56] I never knew of that link [19:56] what would be a good edu video is using sabayon and pessulus to make profiles [19:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuVideoIntroduction is something to look at [19:56] Lns: there's also a youtube channel that contains all those videos (and more) relating to ubuntu [19:56] nubae: are those tools stable yet? [19:56] the documentation on it is very very minimal [19:56] no, but its ok to create the profiles with [19:56] sabayon and pessulus have been around for quite a while [19:56] its not running after the profiles are made [19:57] I don't think we should be spending time (yet) on something that's not stable enough to use on a day to day basis [19:57] but sabayon at least has suffered from Red Hat pulling it's people off [19:57] at least as far as demo videos [19:57] so it lacks developers [19:57] its necessary though, and it has no documentation [19:57] highvoltage: what's the yt channel url? [19:57] its such a powerful tool [19:58] nubae: I agree.. but for now I think we should focus from the ground up, get some videos demoing LTSP/Edubuntu in general, a very broad overview of benefits and use cases [19:58] I think sabayon/pessulus could be huge in Education [19:58] and get more specific from there [19:59] but they have to be rock solid to do it [19:59] and it's tricky business, some of the stuff seems pretty hackish [19:59] I agree... it needs more work [19:59] I've never been able to use it reliably [19:59] *but* if we can funnel interested parties their way and help then thats a win for everybody [20:00] Lns: http://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers [20:00] Lns: please excuse the colour scheme :) [20:00] highvoltage: ah, yes i'm subbed to that chan [20:00] I think Edubuntu and/or LTSP should get its own YT channel though [20:00] and maybe link to the others through friends/subscribers [20:00] get a whole "network" of Ubuntu related YT channels [20:01] Lns: are you on IRC often? I'd love to discuss this, but I'm having trouble keeping my eyes open [20:01] highvoltage: yep...almost always on #edubuntu, #ltsp [20:01] during the day anyway, PST [20:01] (it's noon here now) [20:02] cool. don't let me stop you though, I'm just going to get some sleep now [20:02] highvoltage: np. Have a good rest! [20:02] cool. goodnight Lns [20:02] night [20:03] one thing I wanted to kind of bring up in the meeting but didn't is the age scope of Edubuntu [20:03] the Edubuntu motto is "Linux for Young Human Beings" [20:04] but I've always pushed for getting into secondary/uni education [20:04] yeah [20:04] in fact... its more sugar that is for young human beings [20:04] LaserJock: So what's the current view on it? [20:04] and it will with time totally take over that niche [20:05] Lns: currently we mostly have stuff for younger people [20:05] * Lns thinks the term "Edubuntu" is best geared toward children ages 1-12 yrs [20:05] should be Educational Linux for human beings [20:05] Lns: u mean the themes [20:06] nubae: themes and a lot of apps too such as gcompris [20:06] yeah true, lots of the apps are for kids [20:06] currently though, I think we ship most of the decent apps for kids [20:06] yes [20:06] but for instance, there are lots of secondary/uni apps we could ship [20:07] yep [20:07] some of it is... like the math stuff [20:07] language stuff [20:07] thats no longer for kids [20:07] right [20:07] Maybe the thing is, we need to really grind in, especially after the past couple years of confusion between Edubuntu, LTSP, etc.. is that Edubuntu is for a subset of children aged N to O === ogra_ is now known as ogra [20:07] I'm a Chemist and a university educator [20:07] so I gravitate that way [20:08] so how about we make a matrix on the site [20:08] describe the software and what age groups its for [20:08] nubae: good idea [20:08] at one point I wanted to tie it all together [20:08] so you installed some metapackage [20:08] and links to the youtube videos ;-) [20:08] What about splitting packages for certain agegroups/use cases? [20:08] that installed age-appropriate packages *and* themes *and* menues [20:09] LaserJock: I think that's a great idea [20:09] it's a lot of overhead in terms of maintenance [20:09] yeah, edubuntu for me needs to be something easily grabable for the use case scenario I want [20:10] apt-get install edubuntu-ages-1to12 [20:10] right now doing apt-get install edubuntu-desktop is just not feasable for a whole school scenario [20:10] Lns: right [20:10] If we do that, I think a lot more devs will come into play for certain use cases [20:10] we, at one point, had groupings like young, elementary, secondary, university [20:10] they know what they want to work on [20:10] LaserJock: Im sure we lose users because they find the packages inappropriate for all levels [20:11] LaserJock: perfect, can we use that split again? [20:11] we never really accomplished it [20:11] maybe with elementary, middle, secondary and university [20:11] I mean, we've had different themes in the past [20:11] young is elementary [20:12] well, there is pre-school stuff [20:12] right it was only themes [20:12] nubae: well think about after-school clubhouse type setups, too. I work for a couple different Boys & Girls Clubs in California [20:12] i think the preseed option is stil in edubuntu-artwork [20:12] dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical edubuntu-artwork [20:12] the artwork is attractive to people [20:13] I think age groups might be the best way to categorize it, not "1st grade" "University" etc [20:13] well, on thing we have to consider is that different parts of the world have different terminology [20:13] exactly [20:13] generally elementary, secondary, university sort of work [20:13] but we can change the name to be whatever [20:13] yeah but uni, secondary, primary are pretty universal [20:14] at least those 3 groupings would already help a great deal [20:14] yeah, primary instead of elementary [20:14] *but* as I keep harping on, we gotta have people to maintain this stuff [20:14] we can easily get a real mess on our hands [20:15] I'm not familiar with package management at all (yet).. i might not be a good candidate for that [20:15] Lns: you can learn ;-) [20:15] although I can definitely give my opinion on it :) [20:15] yeah I'm working on MOTU [20:15] but damn thats a beast and a half [20:15] I can, but i might be better at youtube collaboration / exposure [20:15] I cant wrap my head around it yet [20:15] its trivial once you are over the hump [20:16] I don't think bandwidth is a problem for most teachers, but menu editing (for all users) is. So if there was an easy way to modify the Education menu based on a user group (e.g. class A/B/C), or at least have 3 menus instead of the Education menu (again, Educational apps for class A/B/C) it would be easier for the students. So I propose no different packages, just menu editing. [20:16] ogra: where is the hump? [20:16] :-) [20:16] ahaead apparently :) [20:16] alkisg: did you look at edubuntu-menus ? [20:16] Lns, no :) [20:16] alkisg: apt-cache show edubuntu-menus [20:16] it's not completely together yet but that's the start of what you're talking about [20:17] alkisg: yeah thats important for my use cases too [20:17] alkisg, bandwith is a huge prob in moust countres where edubuntu gets used [20:17] ogra, one can download a DVD and make many copies for other teachers [20:17] edubuntu has many users in south america, africa asia [20:17] as is ease of use... if we had 3 groups that are easily installable, like apt-get edubuntu-primary [20:17] or edubuntu-uni [20:17] alkisg, ever downloaded a DVD over 56k dialup ? [20:17] that would be soooo easy and nice [20:18] alkisg, in a country where you dont devn find DVD readers (not to talk about writers) [20:18] *even [20:18] ogra: heh, what's that debian app for cases like that? Some dpkg app that could resume sessions and build an ISO or something over very unreliable connections [20:18] ogra: right, people forget the ease with which we get internet [20:18] right [20:18] I was in Nepal... we'd be lucky to have 2k per sec [20:19] the existing edubuntu users even rarely have connection [20:19] there was absolutely no way to download a cd [20:19] let alone a dvd [20:19] ogra, I installed edubuntu in a school with 56k dialup. I never even bothered to update. Every time there was a distro update, I downloaded a DVD from my home and use this in school... [20:19] ogra: kinda going off of that, do you have any idea why shipit was dropped for Edubuntu? too much cost and not enough interest? [20:19] alkisg: what makes u think these users have internet at home? [20:19] LaserJock, the latter i think [20:19] ogra: k [20:19] nubae, not the users, the central school administration [20:20] I can tell u that the only internet connection to remote locations is for email only, with no one having internet at home [20:20] ditto [20:20] LaserJock, though i think only after the CD split [20:20] in Nepal, only the main ISP had the bandwidth (1mb share for the entire country) to download stuff in the middle of the night [20:20] nubae, e.g. in my town we have ~50 schools and a central ...administrator (I don't know how it's called in english) [20:20] its not a usable scenario [20:20] nubae, shipit.ubuntu.com :) [20:21] right [20:21] alkisg, your country isnt in south america, asia or africa :) [20:21] I think Edubuntu is in a real identity crisis right now with the LTSP split. THUS it's a great time to redefine it on a fundamental level (such as what I think would be good w/different use-case packages/metapackages) [20:21] Lns: LaserJock realised this thus organised the meeting :-) [20:22] nubae: i know i know.. :) [20:22] but we never really came to a solid decision did we ? [20:22] yeah we did [20:22] well, we decided we're moving forward [20:22] it's difficult to change everything in a single IRC meeting [20:23] no mention of ubuntu in education unless specifically instructed by RichEd or Canonical [20:23] ie, edubuntu is the community and shouldnt be confused with ubuntu in education [20:23] I don't think we *need* to mention it anyway, they're all a part of that marketing anyway [20:23] we need to focus on our specific projects [20:23] with the edubuntu add on cd developed and maintained by the community [20:23] that makes things much easier to understand [20:24] Lns: right [20:24] ok [20:24] so I've offered to help with the edubuntu.org website [20:24] you've offered to do the youtube videos [20:24] Is there room to restructure the add-on cd? What exactly does it consist of, other than the packages (and an installer?) for edubuntu themes/apps ? [20:25] and I guess we should both go for MOTU too, so we can be more involved with the packages that make up the edubuntu cd [20:25] not much [20:25] Lns: ^^ [20:25] the CD currently has ~ 500MB out of 700MB total [20:25] we have plenty of room for things [20:25] ok...i've never used the addon cd, is there a good installer? [20:25] it still has 500 ? [20:25] clickie clickie? :) [20:25] it should be far less [20:25] ogra: let me look [20:25] edubuntu.org [20:26] WINFOSS was dropped last minute [20:26] explanations abound there [20:26] nubae: ko [20:26] that should have freed another 2-300 [20:26] ok* [20:26] oh geeze yeah [20:26] it's like 330MB [20:26] yeah [20:26] add as you like [20:26] wow lots of room to play with [20:26] so wow, yeah, lots of room [20:26] thats why i said it should be universe based [20:27] agreed [20:27] I think some demo videos (and other non-software related content) should be put on there [20:27] makes contribution easier as well [20:27] ogra: would that kill Canonical's support do you think? [20:27] any motu can help [20:27] LaserJock, RichEd matter [20:27] what support? [20:27] i'm not edu at all anymore, he makes the decisions [20:27] yeah, yeah :-) [20:27] nubae: Canonical officially provides support for Edubuntu [20:28] how? [20:28] nubae, currently all apps on the addon are officially canonical supported [20:28] you can buy support contracts [20:28] I thought all that moved to ubuntu in education [20:28] for edubuntu specifically? [20:28] or are we talking about ubuntu in education now? [20:28] no, for ubuntu in education [20:28] nubae: currently "ubuntu in education" is not a product [20:28] but the set of apps is currently defined by the edubuntu apps [20:29] right, so then again, how does canonical support that? [20:29] s/set of apps/set of supported edu apps/ [20:29] the apps themselves are supported? [20:29] nubae: yes [20:29] really= [20:29] ? [20:29] the list on the ubuntu.com page is [20:29] for instance, the apps get security support via people Canonical employees [20:29] I would have thought that was totally upstream [20:29] right [20:29] not upstream? [20:29] you can by support contracts for it too [20:30] for ubuntu in education I take it [20:30] and perople buying support contracts can get paid help on them [20:30] nubae: upstream writes code, we ship the code and make sure it all works [20:30] sometimes that means writing patches [20:30] and integrates [20:31] I see how canonical supports the ubuntu in education concept... [20:31] but arent the packages that make up edubuntu available seperately [20:31] so they actually fall under ubuntu support [20:31] well, it's all the same pool of packages [20:32] right, so how could they drop support then? [20:32] but certain sets of packages get enhanced support by Canonical [20:32] ahh... [20:32] ok [20:32] and the set of apps is atm defined by edubuntu-desktop [20:32] that is to say, *somebody* has to fix stuff [20:32] Canonical employees people to make sure it gets done for supported packages [20:32] a switch needs to be made so canonical defines the apps [20:32] *employs [20:33] and edubuntu cn be free to build from universe [20:33] ok gotcha now [20:33] that switch can only come from riched [20:33] ogra: well, with the archive reorg plan wouldn't it work? [20:33] no [20:33] the reorg plan is bound to seeds [20:33] that is we'd have our seeds and all we'd need to do is define the set of people who can upload to those seeds [20:34] right [20:34] that would lower the bar [20:34] but that still doesnt make rich happy [20:34] at least I think it would [20:34] he needs to define the supported set still [20:34] sure, but that's his problem, not mine ;-) [20:35] heh, well it affect edubuntu being universe or not [20:35] well, I'm not sure how long Universe/Main will exist [20:35] well, he needs to also agree on building from universe as long as he depends on edubuntu-desktop [20:35] still for a while i bet [20:35] past Jaunty you think? [20:35] probably [20:35] its a big change [20:35] ah, then that makes sense [20:36] well, I thought we had most of the Launchpad bits [20:36] but I guess the CD building would get messed up [20:36] in any case, we should start discussing it with RichEd [20:37] it would certainly be better for getting new developers if it was Universe [20:37] and more packages too right? [20:37] potentially [20:37] we wouldn't have to do the dreaded MIRs ;-) [20:38] * nubae runs to eat something [20:42] LaserJock, so on another topic, do we see a post election post from you ? (/me found it intresting to see your perspective on politics (even though i dont agree with it but wouldnt even remotely be qualified to judge internals of a foreign country)) [20:42] ogra: oh man, I don't know [20:43] ogra: I'd like to do one, but I'm a bit tired of the "you're and idiot and I have no respect for you" comments [20:43] yeah, i can truely understand [20:44] ogra, critiquing other people's countries is still quite okay. :) [20:44] LaserJock, you might want to turn off comments. :) [20:44] rockstar, sure [20:45] i would simply find it intresting to see the other side of the medal post election [20:45] yeah, it's been interesting to see how seemingly interested and invested people from other nations have been in our elections [20:45] well, bush has put you in a very bad light over te years [20:45] Yea, I was in London for the last two and a half weeks. It was amazing how much coverage there was. [20:46] jerome said in the Philippines it was front page news in the local newspapers [20:46] seems weird to me [20:46] but makes it all that more weighty and serious to me [20:47] Especially because the US has absolutely no coverage of other countries' elections. [20:47] exactly [20:47] ...unless it's a coup :) [20:47] heh, yeah [20:47] i think it was looked at all over the world [20:47] although I do remember some reporting about Germany, Canada, and Britian [20:47] but it wasn't a lot [20:47] i kept up myself until 6am [20:48] but thats surely shows how bad of a reputation your country had thanks to bush in the rest of the world [20:48] The US media is completely egocentric [20:48] yeah [20:48] world ends at the shore :) [20:48] We *never* hear about other countries unless it's something that involves us, or something we can mock them for [20:48] It's absurd [20:48] but you are simply so big [20:48] the world is bigger :) [20:49] well, to some degree though I would expect US media to talk primarily about the US [20:49] and i met many many people in your country that had never left ther small village [20:49] I just don't expect other nation's media to talk about the US so much [20:49] and are scared to do so [20:49] Lns, for the most part, other countries are mocking us back. :) [20:49] to some degree I just wish the rest of the world would just ignore us :-) [20:49] rockstar: yeah, but we seem to instigate a lot of it [20:49] seriously [20:50] ogra, that's a different problem. [20:50] But those kinds of people are in every country. [20:50] yeah [20:50] ogra: after going to Paris i didn't want to leave *my* little village ;-) [20:50] heh [20:50] that food, uggg [20:50] I couldn't believe how many people outside the US know Obama/McCain and our election status...and I probably don't even know WHERE their country is on a globe [20:50] and getting pick-pocketed, no fun at all [20:50] LaserJock, but you still look over the edge ... [20:50] and dont hide behind the fence [20:51] if it wasn't for my good Ubuntu friends I would never leave the US again [20:51] LaserJock, aren't you in Vegas? [20:51] rockstar: Reno [20:51] not exactly a village I suppose ... [20:51] Go Reno 911! [20:51] LaserJock, I watch Reno 911. I know all about Reno. :) [20:51] lol [20:51] I've seen a few episodes [20:51] it's really weird [20:51] it's like "oh yeah, I know that store" [20:51] hehehe..rockstar, did you ever watch "The State" ? [20:52] Lns, nope. [20:52] I don't watch a lot of TV honestly. [20:52] rockstar: a lot of people from R911 were on The State...a skit comedy show a long time ago [20:52] * Lns tries to stay away from the TV as well [20:52] LaserJock, could you and I find some way that I could watch your process of doing MOTU related stuff? [20:53] rockstar: in what way? [20:53] like a "ride along"? [20:53] I don't really like the whole "So you want to be a MOTU, here's a link. Read it" only to find that I've now started reading one of those choose your own adventure books. [20:53] lol [20:54] It'll be nice when all packages are bzr branches. I know how to do that. :) [20:54] I've created bzr branches for many of the edu apps [20:54] In fact, I wrote some of the code that serves bzr from lp [20:54] LaserJock, which ones? [20:55] if people get interested we can start doing more bzr related maintenance, when it's just me I don't find it as useful [20:55] rockstar: have a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~laserjock [20:56] LaserJock, it also helps me to see how source package branches really need to be. [20:56] LaserJock, it definately makes sense for all native packages [20:56] rockstar: if you have particular packages you're interested we could do a collaborative bzr setup [20:56] LaserJock, are you an upstream developer as well? [20:56] rockstar: nope, not of any of those [20:57] LaserJock, or maybe we create a team? [20:57] I do some upstream work on chemistry apps [20:57] here's one scenario, and perhaps ogra can chime in here [20:58] That might help workflow a bit. There's a team that does the work, and then you just mentor it into main [20:58] we could create an edubuntu-packaging team that could hold bzr branches for the most common edubuntu packages [20:58] it could also then house a testing PPA [20:58] +1 already. You don't have to keep going. :) [20:59] Then you could do the syncs with main, all the while not blocking continued work. [20:59] in that way people can have fun learning to package in Edubuntu, and its a bit easier for me to sponsor stuff if it's in a bzr branch [21:00] ogra: think that's doable, practical? [21:00] syncs to the packaging team's bzr branch could be done through merge proposals. [21:00] surely [21:00] that works very well if upstream is in bzr [21:00] in reality we currently don't have a lot of apps to worry about [21:00] which a lot is on LP [21:01] many of our apps come straight from Debian [21:01] and we work fairly hard to keep it that way [21:01] ogra, I assume you know this is where all of Ubuntu's packages will be in 6 months anyway. [21:01] but anything where we are upstream or where we need to maintain a common diff [21:01] it could help [21:01] rockstar, indeed [21:01] I'm honestly not a huge bzr fan for packaging [21:02] Edubuntu could really help me during the day if we started a flow like that. [21:02] I've done some experiments, etc. to get used to it [21:02] me neither ... but if source packages go away i will be [21:02] LaserJock, resistance is futile. :) [21:02] currently you have a lot of duplication [21:02] james_w in particular has been creating some good tools to help at least [21:02] Imagine apt-bzr, where you can pull the latest source, build a package, and install it. [21:02] yeah, and it seems like you end up having to track more stuff [21:02] if packages can build directly from bzr branches then its cool [21:03] You can be ever more bleeding edge than debian unstable! [21:03] not that would want to :) [21:03] heh, yeah [21:03] the thing is that for package maintenance bzr currently adds a massive overhead [21:03] yeah [21:03] LaserJock, so do you want to create a team? [21:04] i need to apply my changes to the bzr branch, pull them again, make a source package out of it and puch that [21:04] I've locally got bzr imports of all Debian and Ubuntu packages for ~ 10 Edubuntu apps [21:04] took a long time to do and takes up a lot of space [21:04] with sourcepackages only i can have my source, make my changes and just push [21:04] LaserJock, push them plz [21:04] *but* seems like a more collaborative way of working for sure [21:05] the thing is that you need to make the sourcepackage go away in that setup [21:05] And the current model is much less collaborative, IMHO [21:05] so you have only a bzr branch and a "build now damnit !" button next to the branch in LP [21:05] ogra: yep, that would work [21:05] ogra, invent a time machine and go forward a year. :) [21:05] I just don't like how easily bzr and uploads can get out of sync [21:06] rockstar, nah, i can wait :) [21:06] you gotta really stick to the bzr to make it work well [21:06] LaserJock, if you're doing the uploads, then they won't. [21:06] the thing is that until this is here we have a lot of duplication doing packaging [21:06] ogra, agreed. [21:06] *but* I'm also using git and svn for maintaining in Debian and they work decent enough [21:06] the real bugger for us is that we have Debian to deal with [21:07] so I need to track upstream, debian, and my changes [21:07] well, not if debian gets puled into lp bzr branches [21:07] yu just merge two branches [21:07] hopefully yes [21:07] but currently [21:07] bit of a pain [21:07] LaserJock, do you have stockholm syndrome? [21:08] https://code.launchpad.net/gcompris [21:08] most probably i do for sure [21:08] have a look [21:08] LaserJock, :) [21:08] ogra: I got tuxpaint and tuxpaint stamps vcs imports going [21:09] https://code.launchpad.net/tuxpaint : [21:09] If you need any other vcs imports, just set them up and ping me. I'll approve them immediately. [21:09] :) [21:09] I've been slowly working on getting the Edubuntu upstream projects registered in LP and getting vcs imports [21:09] i see [21:09] so upstreams are fairly easy [21:10] the packaging is the difficult part [21:10] and I'm not sure how much I want to mess up LP :-) [21:10] I have Debian imported locally [21:10] but I'm not sure if I want to make a branch jungle :-) [21:10] LaserJock, mess up what? [21:11] well, mostly I'm concerned about confusing people with too many branches [21:11] Branch jungles are easily avoided with release branches [21:11] Er, series branches [21:11] and if I go and put up my own imports, then LP does imports, then I do Edubuntu imports [21:12] then we all get confused, give up, and go back to the "old fashioned" way [21:12] :-) [21:14] rockstar: do you have particular apps you're interested in? [21:20] LaserJock, well, I don't really know. I'd like to be more involved in educational content on a whole, but anything to get started. [21:43] ok [21:43] so it looks like gpaint, tuxmath, and tuxpaint-stamps are the only edubuntu apps that we get straight from Debian [21:43] LaserJock: what did u think of the moodle idea? [21:44] 18 have Edubuntu modifications [21:44] and 4ish are Edubuntu-specific [21:45] nubae: well, it's something that would be fun, but I'm afraid that it probably isn't feasible [21:45] is there such a thing as install on click for ubuntu [21:45] LaserJock: why not? [21:45] nubae: I doubt that the Canonical IS team would allow moodle on any of their machines [21:45] nubae: yes, there is an install-on-click thing. it's called apturl [21:45] ah... and if we host it some place else? [21:46] my thinking is, we could store all the apps there for easy demoing [21:46] that's got a lot of problems as well [21:46] a database with links to all the apps [21:46] with explanation, etc [21:46] oh, well we can certainly do that kind of thing [21:46] just not with moodle [21:46] edubuntu.org is drupal [21:46] well, moodle is what I know best [21:46] yeah I know [21:46] its just not as friendly [21:46] we could also use a wiki page [21:47] would be nicer in a db, but yeah [21:47] well, some time ago [21:47] we had a spec about creating a full application database engine and webapp [21:47] but apturl is a good idea, it would bring a certain front to edubuntu... u would see what u get [21:47] it was a nice spec, just nobody to implement it [21:49] right now there is no place that defines whats in edubuntu [21:49] kind of important [21:51] yep, just not always easy to do/maintain [22:29] Anyone here wanna try running tuxpaint from a thinclient with the --nosound switch to see if it still pegs out the CPU and doesn't exit cleanly? See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082 [22:29] Launchpad bug 269082 in tuxpaint "tuxpaint and other tux SDL driven apps slow down and/or freeze thin client terminals (ltsp)" [High,Confirmed]