[00:08] after upgrading to ibis from hardy, this is how all the pim settings dialogs look like - http://imagebin.ca/view/4yfMANJ.html [00:08] not akregator though, but then it is still kde3 [00:41] No, akregator is KDE4 too. [00:42] ScottK: I'm working on upgrading the rest (apparently 500 packages weren't upgraded during the dist-upgrade (?)) [00:42] larsivi_: OK. Get that resolved before you worry about individual applications setup. [00:42] will see if it has an effect on the pim apps [00:43] larsivi_: How did you do the upgrade? [00:43] the adept --dist-thingy mentioned on kubuntu.org [00:43] larsivi_: OK. That's the right way. Do you have the kubuntu-desktop package installed? [00:45] yes [00:46] OK. That's one common source of problems. [00:46] really? shouldn't it be accounted for in the install scripts then? [00:47] We try to upgrade the system the user has as best we can. If they've picked a different configuration, who are we to change it? [00:48] With inifint development resources and time we could deal with all the possibilities, but ... [00:48] afaik, I didn't explicitly install kubuntu-desktop [00:48] If you did a Kubuntu install, you got it as part of the install. [00:48] Some users remove it. [00:48] * ScottK needs to go put kids to bed. [00:49] :) [00:49] most won't remove kubuntu-desktop though, and then it is problematic if it in general cause problems [00:50] will reboot [00:58] at this point, I no longer have networking - I apparently didn't get a replacement for knetworkmanager (kde3) [00:59] knm starts, but doesn't show up so I can do anything with it [01:28] found the new network manager, and wow is it horrible - does it work at all? [01:50] larsivi: It does. Some people have an issue with static IP (although that worked for me). [01:51] * ScottK tries to decide. Scotch first or checking apachelogger's Konversation/Konqueror fix. [01:51] * ScottK notes it's definitely dark outside and opt for the Scotch. [01:54] hah [01:54] * Hobbsee adds some whisky to ScottK's Scotch. [01:55] Please don't dilute greatness with something more generic. [01:58] apachelogger: I don't have a .kde3 dir? [02:18] apachelogger: That's part of the problem. Now you need to teach the system Konqueror is the default web browser or something. That got Firefox working nicely. [02:30] go JontheEchidna go (killing Guidance Displayconfig bugs). [02:31] As soon as we upload KDE 4.2, then the power manager can go too .... [02:31] ah well, guidance had a good run while it lasted. except for maybe displayconfig [02:32] I'm convinced that any attempt at reimplementing apps with guidance-* features would be better off rewritten completely [02:34] before I got in to dev work I had no clue displayconfig sucked so much [02:35] userconfig efforts should probably go into making a kcm module to replace kuser [02:55] JontheEchidna: You should've seen it before I started beating it into shape for Hardy. [04:55] Is this a current screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991047111/ [05:26] hey folks, playing around with KDE4 :) first time I've used KDE in almost a year now [05:27] so far I'm really liking what I see [05:27] just wanted to say good job to everyone here :) [06:45] ~np [06:45] rgreening listened to "(I Saw) The Sign" by Ace of Base 4 minutes ago === akonadi is now known as nihui [07:51] plasma "Add Widgets" should be binary: kdebase-workspace, right? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/292509 [07:51] Launchpad bug 292509 in kdebase-workspace "Blank entries in Add widgets window upon selecting by category" [Undecided,New] [08:21] Hey all [08:21] I ran amarok, and chose to install mp3 support [08:22] it brought up a window saying 'Installing libxine1-ffmpeg' but does nothing more [08:22] clicking 'Show details>>' shows nothing [08:33] ah installing from the command line, I get the error: Could not connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (194.169.254.10). - connect (111 Connection refused) [08:34] my guess is that the gui didn't catch this error and sliently swallowed it [08:52] JohnFlux2: sounds like it, also sounds like there's a problem with the server. [08:52] give it a day or so and try again [08:53] Arby: sure, just noting that the gui should also be fixed :) [08:55] JohnFlux2: true, best way to get that done is file a bug if you haven't already [08:55] * JohnFlux2 nods\ [09:30] There seem to be some reports of adept crashing after trying to add a sources.list line. Hmm. [09:31] I haven't seen any terminal output so far though, which would indicate what exception was the culprit... [09:56] mornfall: I crashed it last night after removing a sources.list [09:56] it did actually remove the line though [10:17] xerosis: And has it started working afterwards again? [10:22] mornfall: yeah, I tried to reproduce it running it from the terminal but I haven't been able to [10:28] mornfall: the only thing that possibly comes to mind is that the line I removed might have been from sources.list.d/ rather than sources.list [10:29] annma: I think we should continue here so support don't get distrupted (:) [10:30] who is in charge of this KHangMan package [10:31] can you find out for me? [10:31] I afraid I don't have time [10:32] school and incoming baby are keeping me busy [10:32] thus said, where did I lost my ... -> [10:33] ok so what can I do? whom to ask? [10:33] Riddell: ping [10:33] annma: what's the problem with it? [10:34] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu says the most recent upload of kdeedu was done by stdin. [10:34] Arby: the package doe snot contain the needed data [10:34] I am talking about the khangman package [10:35] I thought it came from the kdeedu source though. [10:35] what comes from the kdeedu source? [10:36] khangman [10:36] Arby: KHanMan deb is shipped without its data [10:36] according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/khangman/4:4.1.2-0ubuntu3 says the source package is kdeedu [10:36] what do you call source package [10:37] you have kdeedu source and then you distro split it [10:37] for KHangMan, it is wrongly splitted [10:37] that's the problem [10:38] ok, what is done wrong and how should it be done? [10:38] the data is not included in the khangman .deb [10:39] in kdeedu/khangman (from KDE svn) you have a subdir called /data [10:39] this subdir is missing in the KUbuntu deb [10:39] it breaks KHangMan [10:39] ok, give me some time to grab the package and take a look. [10:40] oh yeah, SIGABRT on startup here [10:41] annma: do you have a link to the right part of kdesvn, I get lost in there [10:41] there's a data/ folder though [10:41] I already went to this process with JontheEchidna weeks ago Arby [10:41] JontheEchidna: are you here? [10:42] Arby: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeedu/khangman/ [10:42] annma: I can't do much about that. all I can do is try to help now :) [10:42] thanks [10:42] just to say that IO already spent hours trying to get this fixed [10:43] I appreciate that, and thanks for doing so [10:43] I'm going to blog about it [11:05] ScottK: knetworkmanager does (apart from looking uglier) not show the available wireless networks, and I can't connect if I specify - it does look like wicd have the same issue though [11:05] currently connected via wire [11:09] annma: should the missing data end up as part of the khangman package or as part of one of the supporting libraries? [11:10] I'm looking at http://paste.ubuntu.com/66161/ [11:10] KHanMan package [11:10] and the khangman data appears to be kvhtml data [11:10] yes but why would that lead to separate them [11:10] icons also are shared [11:10] I guess that khangman still depends on standard icons, no? [11:10] I don't know I was just looking to see if it's a missing dependency [11:11] in any case, everybody involved in KDE knows that I am the Edu person to ask in any doubt [11:11] I've never looked at kdeedu until today [11:12] the packager should have asked me [11:12] I also put README.packagers in edu folders [11:12] years ago [11:12] I just don't like the idea that kde devs are annoyed at us so I'm tying to do something about it [11:12] *trying [11:12] I am not annoyed, I am really pissed [11:12] upset, angry, whatever [11:13] I was being polite. I can tell that [11:13] not just annoyed [11:13] when I look in the kdeedu deb, there's things in the data folder [11:13] xerosis: it's not the kdeedu deb, it's khangman deb [11:13] I don't use *buntu so I am not familiar with what you do [11:13] khangman comes from the kdeedu deb [11:14] i don't care xerosis [11:14] and in the khangman/data/ folder are the same file you showed us in svn [11:15] in the khangman deb? [11:15] there's the /data subfolder in the khangman deb xerosis? [11:15] again I went there to lengths with JontheEchidna [11:15] as he issued a bug report against khangman and I had trouble understanding the crash origin [11:17] libkdeedu is a separate package, that's normal [11:17] libkdeedu holds all shared libs for kdeedu [11:32] annma: I'd like to test if it's missing entries in khangman.install that is the problem. [11:32] where should the missing data files get installed to [11:32] ? [11:32] in normal circumstances [11:33] in /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/hard.kvtml [11:33] in /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en [11:34] lunch time, I have ot go [11:34] annma at kde dot org if any question [11:34] ok thanks [11:34] I am the kdeedu module maintainer [11:34] thanks and bye [11:45] ScottK: it worked just fine here [11:52] bug 292473 [11:52] Launchpad bug 292473 in language-pack-de "Localization [l10n] status in embarrassing state in Kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292473 [11:59] JontheEchidna: how do you know bug 231922 is KHTML? [11:59] Launchpad bug 231922 in kdebase "konqueror crashes when searching on Netbeans pages" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/231922 [12:01] apachelogger: is kde 4.1.3 out for testing? [12:02] glade88: not yet, it will be uploaded to intrepid-proposed sometime next week [12:02] apachelogger: ok [12:05] apachelogger: I checked the upstream bug [12:07] ah [12:07] okies === TeLLuS_ is now known as TeLLuS [13:42] Arby: you understand bad [13:42] oh. [13:43] " [13:43] I'm informed that the problem [13:43] was that khangman required some files in usr/share/apps/kvhtml which [13:43] are provided in kdeedu/kanagram/data. [13:43] no [13:43] KHangMan has its own data in kdeedu/khangman/data [13:44] it needs those above to operate correctly as a minimum [13:44] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeedu/khangman/data/ [13:44] apachelogger: ^^ [13:45] it doe snot need the kanagram data [13:45] annma: I was relaying information. If I was misinformed then sorry [13:45] The files in usr/share/apps/kvhtml are currently being distributed with kanagram [13:45] JontheEchidna: this is WRONG [13:46] yes, I know, sorry for forgetting about it... [13:46] you should not take the install dir but the source dir [13:46] well now users are in a mess [13:46] we get cpmplain in mailing lists, even in kde-www mailing list [13:47] I talked to you and Debian weeks ago and nothing was done [13:49] was there an Edubuntu release as well? [13:50] apparently so: http://edubuntu.org/news/8.10-release [13:51] ... [13:53] isnt 3.9 the latest kuser release? [13:55] !info kuser [13:55] kuser (source: kdeadmin): user and group administration tool for KDE 4. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 236 kB, installed size 772 kB [13:55] JontheEchidna: Can you reproduce this? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174046 [13:55] KDE bug 174046 in general "KUser gives no provision to "select" users" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] [13:57] glade88: yes [13:59] annma: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kdeedu.png [13:59] JontheEchidna: setting mouse actions to "double click to open, single click to select" still reproduces bug.. I wonder why the person who replied can't reproduce it [13:59] annma: this will be the status when 4.1.3 got uploaded [14:00] annma: khangman.deb will depend on kanagram.deb because the latter includes usr/share/kde4/apps/kvtml, which is required by khangman [14:01] I don't understand why you don't start from the KDE source [14:02] KHangMan only REQUIRES /kdeedu/khangman/data files as a MINIMUM [14:02] because we can't introduce any more packages after release [14:02] annma: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kdeedu2.png [14:02] this will be the status in Kubuntu 9.04 [14:03] this is all too tricky for me and illogical [14:03] annma: it is about where the stuff gets installed to [14:03] I make an app, I put the code in /foo I expect packagers to take the whole /foo [14:04] you should have talked to us then [14:04] packagers package _binary_ not source [14:04] binary are from sources [14:04] but don't reflect the source structure [14:04] next step you'll ship without icons [14:04] :S [14:05] apachelogger: I guess there are two bugs then. 1. Konversation doesn't use xdg open (you fixed that) 2. xdg is seriously confused on my computer. Suggestions on how to figure out 2? [14:05] ScottK: try a new user [14:05] apachelogger: OK. It's still an upgrade bug even if that fixes it. [14:05] annma: the problem is, that khangman/data as well as kvtml/data install to kde4/apps/kvtml, which is in my humble opinion wrong unless khangman _and_ kanagram actually can exchange their kvtml files, which makes we wonder why they are in different directories in the source [14:06] I'll install back in khangman in trunk then if you are so fishy [14:06] ScottK: well, it might just be your messed up configs :P [14:06] they can exchange files, of course [14:06] can't you see the progs are similar in aim? [14:06] yes [14:06] but they NEED minimum data, which you do not provide [14:07] that is what we are going to solve in the 4.1.3 upload [14:07] take a look at the 2 pictures I posted [14:07] I don't agree with that [14:07] annma: why not? [14:07] I wish that the khangman binary installs its files in khangman [14:08] I wish that the khangman binary installs its files [14:08] and the kanagram installs its files [14:08] they'll all install in /share/kvtml in the end [14:08] apachelogger: True, but then the question is how did they get that way because I certainly didn't change it. I'll try it though. [14:08] but each prog has its own data [14:08] annma: that is overly difficult [14:09] why so [14:09] why is it more difficult than when it was /share/khangman [14:09] why is /share/kvtml more difficult than when it was /share/khangman [14:10] annma: because we can say install all in share/khangman to khangman.deb, but with share/kvtml we have to list individually which files go where [14:10] those are 4 files [14:10] annma: and in future? [14:10] or if a name changes? [14:11] KHangMan always only need those 4 minimum [14:11] name? [14:11] what name? [14:11] of the files [14:11] we have to list every file precisely [14:11] look at KHangMan history [14:11] hold on a second [14:14] annma: anywho, I can propose 4 solutions to you 1) we move all of kvtml to kvml-data which gets installed by khangman _and_ kanagram as the shared resource it is 2) you (upstream) change the install path to share/khangman/kvtml or something but accept (at runtime) share/kvtml as common resource 3) you (upstream) change the file names to reflect the applications which should ship this as minimum requirement (e.g. khangman-easy [14:14] .kvtml) 4) we manually maintain a list of which files go where which needs to be updated over time and if someone is careless files might not get packaged at all [14:14] I don't understand this all [14:14] are you subscribed to kdeedu mailing list? [14:14] no, can do though [14:15] yes please do and move this to the list [14:15] okies [14:15] I'll initiate the discussion [14:15] annma: either way, the crash at startup will be fixed by the time 4.1.3 hits the package archive [14:15] I can't sort it out and it was not me who decided the /kvtml install anyway [14:16] annma: subscribed [14:18] thanks [14:19] Speaking of kdegames, my 5 year old wants Tux back in the Potato Guy. [14:19] * ScottK notices the time and rushes off. [14:23] ScottK: http://bugs.kde.org ;-) [14:38] hi, i've updatd to 8.10 and now i can't read the name of files that contain iso8859-15 chars, can you help me please? [14:40] Arby: did you find annma's problem? [14:41] Riddell: apachelogger is dealing with it now. [14:42] there seems to be a difference of opinions on how to do things [14:43] well, the general concept needs a bit of reconsideration IMHO [14:43] Riddell: do we need an SRU bug for 4.1.3 or do I just upload? [14:43] Riddell: no [14:44] Riddell: the whole design of these Edu app is to be discussed, the way you do it === moenicke_ is now known as moenicke [14:48] no one? [14:49] snikker: #kubuntu for support [14:51] apachelogger: i want apologyze for that, but in #kubuntu i've got no answer... i''l try again... [14:51] why doesnt adept give any results when searched for gcc or g++ ? oO [14:52] Ah, the infamous 4-letter limit. [14:52] D'oh. [14:52] (Well, at least people will know why I prefer *not* to make last-minute, even obvious, changes.) [14:52] Not everything is as obvious as it seems. : - ) [14:53] mornfall: we could easily revert that and push a new package to intrepid-updates [14:53] JontheEchidna: I'd still prefer to have just lib blacklisted, I guess. [14:53] we'll probably need Stable Release Update clearance anyway [14:53] mornfall: oO.. so theres no way to search of any package/lib < 4 letters of length? is this a bug? [14:54] glade88: You can try adding a trailing space. [14:54] duh [14:54] glade88: we set the limit to 4 chars right before release because searchign for stuff like "lib" froze adept up for a while [14:54] Yes, it's a bug, of sorts. [14:54] JontheEchidna: mornfall: trailing space works.. [14:56] Ok, so we can document that as a workaround maybe, and do the lib blacklist thing for stable? [14:56] Unfortunately, I have to go and I won't really have adept time in near future, so someone else would have to handle that. [15:07] kde revision 879159 [15:07] kde rev 879159 [15:07] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=879159&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 879159 [15:51] qt creator is certainly a very nice IDE [16:06] bug: images saved by gwenview dont generate dolphin thumbnails. so binary = kdebase + kdegraphics both? [16:20] JontheEchidna: [16:20] JontheEchidna: I am using knotify, I still have the update notifications on top left corner [16:21] JontheEchidna: reference: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier-kde/+bug/280622 [16:21] Launchpad bug 280622 in update-notifier-kde "Update notification balloon points from top-left corner (dup-of: 104411)" [Undecided,Incomplete] [16:21] Launchpad bug 104411 in update-notifier-kde "Adept notifer should use KNotify to notify updates" [Wishlist,Fix committed] [16:21] which is why it is marked fix committed, not fix released. ;-) [16:21] ok :) [16:23] JontheEchidna: the system activity monitor (Ctrl+Esc) shows Knotify4, but "dpkg -l knotify" returns no result. is the package name something else? [16:24] it's part of kdebase-runtime [16:24] knotify does the little popup notifications for stuff like new mail in kmail [16:24] as well as audio notifications [16:25] apachelogger: The missing Tux is on my list of bugs to file. [16:25] JontheEchidna: ok.. how do I configure it? [16:25] and remove notification-daemon ? [16:28] glade88: system settings -> nis\ [16:28] blah [16:28] -> notifications [16:29] JontheEchidna: duh.. thanks :) [16:29] apachelogger: Did you see the .de translation screenshot I posted a link to overnight? [16:31] no [16:32] apachelogger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991047111/ [16:32] Is that current? [16:32] Because if it is, apparently we totally suck compared to opensuse: [16:32] http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991042741/ [16:35] yes [16:35] already fiddled around with the bug [16:37] OK. [16:37] I'd hoped it was an old one. [16:38] apachelogger: Would "Rosetta produces worse translations than what we start with from upstream" be a fair characterization of the current .de KDE4 situation? [16:40] ScottK: from what i heard yes [17:13] seele: It seems opensuse agrees with you http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3734 [17:15] zomg, legacy proprietary nvidia drivers for mah card! [17:16] * JontheEchidna debuilds [17:29] hah === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian === ScottK is now known as ScottK2 === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [18:04] is there a replacement for kdict? [18:07] eeanm: what was its purpose? [18:07] it's a dict client [18:08] there is always the dictionary plasmoid :P [18:09] hmm, I don't know, if your looking for a dictionnary app there is qstardict which is great (but you need to download the dictionaries from the stardict website to use it) [18:09] well she is using the english-german dictionaries [18:09] that are part of dict [18:10] maybe stardict is a replacement... [18:10] but their website sucks :P [18:42] ScottK: wow I'm pleasantly surprised, KDE4 is shockingly usable [18:42] and I like the ability to toggle compositing with a hotkey [18:42] thanks for encouraging me to try it :) [18:42] there's a hotkey for toggling compositing? [18:42] smarter: alt-shift-F12 [18:43] fantastic for 3D games, buggy video overlays, etc [18:43] there's a plasmoid for that too :P [18:43] thanks, I was too lazy to set one up :P [18:43] JontheEchidna: the plasmoid is ugly [18:43] the only bug/annoyance I'm seeing so far is with volume hotkeys [18:44] the volume hotkeys pick the wrong channel and don't respect KMixer's master channel setting [18:44] I believe I reported this back when bugs were 5-digits long :) [18:44] at any rate, I can work around it by redefining keyboard shortcuts but that's a bit ugly [18:44] I think it's a bug in KMix, the dbus interface doesn't use the master channel specified by the user [18:44] it always changes PCM for me [18:45] JontheEchidna: indeed, which is incorrect here [18:45] Front is the correct slider here [18:45] smarter: sounds reasonable [18:45] (the diagnosis, not the behavior :D) [18:46] :) [18:46] I hate to be a jerk and wave around the magical bugfixing wand but... is there a plan to fix that? :) [18:46] * jdong waits for Hobbsee to smack him [18:46] IIRC i've seen a KDE 3.5.5 patch in svn for this [18:47] * jussi01 smacks jdong as Hobbsee isnt here... [18:47] no idea how that relates to KDE4; I'm completely out of touch with KDE [18:49] I've seen a number of user complaints on the topic. [18:49] * ScottK is affected too. [18:49] I looked into the code some times ago, and found out that there was two settings for "master" one which can be changed by the user and was used in most of the place, and another one which apparently was, IIRC, only used for DBus [18:49] but I was too afraid to just do a search&replace of the one which can't be changed :P [18:50] I don't think there's too much harm in that ;-) [18:50] is there a known bug that Macbook brightness keys are not recognized by guidance-power-manager? [18:51] it might be due to Xorg keysym changes [18:51] try launching xev from a console and see what it reports when you press one of the brightness key [19:04] jdong: Thanks for the feedback. Straight from your mouth to Planet Ubuntu ... === bastian is now known as OculusAquilae [19:35] ha! smarter got interviewed [19:35] * apachelogger didn't know that [19:36] * jtechidna didn't know he was 15 [19:38] * apachelogger did [19:38] jtechidna: makes one feel old, doesn't it? :S [19:39] sorta [19:39] my brother is 15, but I could never imagine him as an motu [19:46] ScottK: asesomeness :) [19:46] ack can't type [19:47] I guess I can't blame that on KDE4 :) [20:36] jdong: you never could type... :P === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [21:19] Why do we call Backports 'Unsupported Updates' in Adept? [21:21] you mean software-properties-kde? [21:25] probably because the gtk version says or said the same thign [21:25] * jtechidna awayt [21:28] jtechidna: Dunno. Window says 'Adept' on it. [21:50] http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2008/11/kubuntu_kde4_shockingly_usable.html#comment-121 [21:50] Congrats to everyone who worked on Kubuntu Intrepid ^^^ [21:51] congrats indeed. the experience is great already and is only going to get better :) [21:55] stupid question, is there a system monitor widget in KDE4? [21:57] jdong: ! [21:57] yes [21:57] plasmoid-system-monitor [21:57] or something like that [21:57] !info plasmoid-system-monitor [21:57] Package plasmoid-system-monitor does not exist in intrepid [21:57] cpuload [21:57] thanks [21:57] bleh [21:58] ah [21:58] plasmoid-system-status [21:58] too [22:00] ooh I like that one better [22:12] * Hobbsee attacks jdong with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™, wrapped in ultamatix [22:12] lol [22:19] * ScottK-laptop watches the ultamatix wrapped stick of DOOM crash and burn due to buggy scripts. [22:36] ScottK-laptop: it doesn't use the scripts to run, you fool! It just carries them, for added poison. [22:36] Ah. My mistake. Sorry. [22:42] what's the preferred media player in KDE-land? [22:47] ScottK: if it contained ultamatix inside it, it would probably have spontaneously combusted months ago. [22:52] jdong: dragon [22:55] jdong: to be honest dragon is a bit meh - vlc is really nice on kde4... :D [22:56] ah :) [22:56] currently I admit to using totem because it can stream from sftp:// [22:56] hehe [22:56] and it has those cool bbc plugins.. [22:57] * jussi01 wonders if vlc can do sftp:// streaming.... [22:58] totem probably can do it from KDE by accident because both gvfs and kioslaves use the same sftp:// URL scheme [22:58] and since I've got pubkeys setup the extra connection is transparent [22:58] it would be interesting to know which players can actually do it because they have proper kioslaves input support :) [22:59] but meh it's a media player. it needs a play and pause button and a slider. I honestly could care less what UI toolkit it's written in :) [23:00] * jussi01 calls Hobbsee over to discipline jdong... [23:00] :P [23:00] LOL :D [23:00]