[00:02] <hggdh> you could manually change your locale from the command line, but I am not sure this would affect X
[00:02] <hggdh> Control Center/Languages?
[00:03]  * hggdh cannot test now, busy downloading Latest & Greatest
[00:04] <hggdh> seems like it -- it will download whatever other language you want
[00:04] <hggdh> via synaptic
[00:05] <hggdh> mrooney, System/Administration/Language Support
[00:05] <chrisccoulson> mrooney - you can launch the application with LC_ALL also
[00:05] <mrooney> hggdh: yeah, cool, Language Support allows me to download new ones and set the default for NEW users
[00:06] <chrisccoulson> for example, if I wanted to run gedit with french locale, i would do "LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8 gedit"
[00:06] <mrooney> chrisccoulson: oh, thanks, let me try that!
[00:07] <chrisccoulson> you'll obviously still need the language pack installed, but it measn that you don't have to start a whole new session with a different locale
[00:08] <hggdh> mrooney, a mix of both options seems appropriate: install whatever other language packs, and then run it from the command line
[00:10] <mrooney> yeah, I think this is a good combination!
[00:10] <mrooney> chrisccoulson: do you know how to determine what locale names I have available, as a result?
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i'm not too sure about that
[00:10] <mrooney> For example when I install Slovenian, how do I know what to set LC_ALL equal to
[00:11] <mrooney> well let me do some research
[00:11] <mrooney> chrisccoulson: oh, the terminal output tells me the locales generated :)
[00:11] <mrooney> of installing it via language support
[00:12] <chrisccoulson> you could also do a "ls /usr/lib/locale". all the folders in there correspond to installed locales it seems
[00:15] <hggdh> local -a will list all installed
[00:15] <hggdh> locale -a
[00:16] <chrisccoulson> thanks hggdh - i didn't know that
[00:16] <mrooney> thanks hggdh and chrisccoulson, it works perfectly!
[00:16] <mrooney> I thought it was going to be harder
[00:16] <hggdh> and 'locale -a -v' will give a more detailed list
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[02:09] <Hobbsee> hggdh: the installer can be preseeded.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hggdh: as for how to get that preseeding done, inside virtualbox...*shrug*
[02:11] <hggdh> Hobbsee, thanks. Preseeding the installer would do the trick, since I would (probably) be able to create the virtual disk and boot it from a shell script
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hggdh: I presuem so, yes.
[02:11] <hggdh> by using VBoxManage, the command line for VBox
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hggdh: ro create the virtual drive once, and get it to keep using that disk
[02:12] <hggdh> yes, good idea -- otherwise eventually I would run out of fs space ;-)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:13] <hggdh> Hobbsee, where can I find info on preseeding the installer?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> hggdh: erm, wiki somewhere.  i'm not sure, tbh.
[02:13] <hggdh> I will find it
[02:18] <hggdh> Hobbsee, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization (for 8.04, I think, but it is a start)
[02:18] <hggdh> I will look at it next week, and see if I can automate the whole process -- so it can get done in one of my servers, while I am on the road
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[04:19] <techno_freak> although my eth is working fine, nm-applet says "Networking disabled" and everytime I boot, I have to manually do sudo dhclient. has anyone been hit by this?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> techno_freak: is eth0 listed in /etc/network_interfaces?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> or has it been turned to manual config?
[04:27] <techno_freak> auto eth0 iface eth0 inet manual
[04:27] <techno_freak> Burgundavia, ^^
[04:30] <Burgundavia> techno_freak: open system > admin > network and make certain roaming mode is enabled
[04:31] <techno_freak> Burgundavia, the problem is that I don't have System > Admin > Network
[04:32] <Burgundavia> umm?
[04:32] <Burgundavia> well, if not, basically NMonly manages interfaces that are not listed in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:33] <techno_freak> Burgundavia, ya, am commenting out the eth0 lines and trying out
[04:33] <Burgundavia> that will work
[04:33] <techno_freak> let me try :)
[04:33] <maco> Burgundavia: that doesnt exist in intrepid
[04:34] <techno_freak> ah, so that's why it has gone
[04:34] <Burgundavia> maco: oh, right, forgot about that
[04:35] <Burgundavia> not yet upgraded my main desktop box
[04:35] <techno_freak> and why/how do I get a new pan0 interface in my ifconfig :S
[04:36] <techno_freak> ok, let me try if it works on its own now
[04:41] <techno_freak> Burgundavia, commenting out fixed the problem
[04:42] <techno_freak> thanks for the help :)
[04:42] <Burgundavia> no worries
[05:43] <maco> and now that intrepid has been released, the duplicate-marking fun begins
[05:53] <Ohmu> If anyone replied, please reply again.  My net just came back up.
[05:54] <maco> replied to what?
[05:54] <maco> i missed whatever you asked since it was a while ago
[05:54] <Ohmu> hmm ubuntu bug-filing doesn't seem that great.  I follow the docpage from the #ubuntu-bugs chan header.  it's not clear how to launch the bug-reporter app.  I went to help -> file a problem.  and now it thinks I';m filing a problem about the help app.  I try 'ubuntu-bug gnome-ppp' from the command line. and it says 'you must specifya package';. but I just DID.  ://
[05:54] <Ohmu> I just need to tell the maintainer of gnome-ppp that the init-string textboxes are losing their data.  and starting at 2 instead of 1.  gee how hard can this be?
[06:02] <maco> Ohmu: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-ppp/+filebug try that way
[06:02] <maco> i've never used the client thing
[06:17] <Ohmu> maco: thanks!! Let me try
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
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[07:33] <thekorn> good morning
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[10:41] <joaopinto> hi
[10:41] <joaopinto> is anyone aware of a bug reported for sound not working on intrepid after the recent kernel upgrade ?
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> joaopinto: not me
[11:09] <joaopinto> I already saw 2 persons reporting on #ubuntu, not sure it was reported on LP
[12:32] <bddebian> Boo
[13:17] <darkknight> hey i am a newbie to kernel programming and bug fixing.....can anyone provide info as how to learn kernel programming as soon as possible so that I can fix bugs
[13:34] <slacker_nl> hello, i have a question regarding a bug
[13:34] <slacker_nl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/256142
[13:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 256142 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Flickering with version 2.4.0" [Undecided,Fix released]
[13:34] <slacker_nl> is that bug closed?
[13:37] <jjesse> a bug marked fix released is closed
[13:37] <jjesse> a fix to the bug has been released in an updated package
[13:40] <slacker_nl> so I could reopen the bug.. I have the same issue
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> slacker_nl: if it is for the same version, yes
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> if it is diferente version, its best if you open a new one
[13:56] <slacker_nl> BUGabundo_work: ahh, just reopened the bug.. :(
[13:56] <slacker_nl> the bug is present in 2.4.1
[13:58] <slacker_nl> well, i've added the comment to contact me if reopening the bug was incorrect so i can create a new bug for it
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> asac: ping
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> asac: your postfix is delaying emails... lol
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> I just got your email from yesterday!
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> by the way, can I close the VPN account?
[14:01] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yes i think so. or were there any issues left?
[14:01] <BUGabundo_work> don't know
[14:01] <BUGabundo_work> can't test right now
[14:01] <BUGabundo_work> I'm doing an rsync on ubuntu dvd 64bits
[14:01] <BUGabundo_work> my last got corrupte
[14:01] <BUGabundo_work> if you ever need it again, let me know
[14:02] <BUGabundo_work> and I'll reactivate the account
[14:37] <thekorn_>  /nick thekorn
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[14:37] <BUGabundo_work> ROFL thekorn
[14:38] <thekorn> ;)
[14:45] <psusi> what do you do with an inappropriate bug comment?  is there a way to remove the comment and reprimand the user?
[14:51] <james_w> psusi: it is possible for the LP admins to do that, but it is rare
[14:52] <james_w> it would usually just be spam, or something that shouldn't be hosted on launchpad
[14:52] <james_w> I would assume they would if someone went beyond the usual amount of rudeness
[14:52] <psusi> well this guy is going off swearing and bitching
[14:52] <james_w> I'd ask in #launchpad or file a question on the launchpad project
[14:52] <psusi> k
[14:52] <james_w> we have no power, it's up to the launchpad admins
[15:33] <mrooney> Did the feature of update-manager that gives a link to the changelog when it isn't yet available get turned off for the final release?
[15:36] <BUGabundo_work> mrooney: do you mean apt-changes ?
[15:36] <bdmurray> mrooney: I saw it the other day
[15:37] <mrooney> BUGabundo_work: perhaps, now it just says the changes aren't yet available, instead of providing a link to the changelog
[15:37] <bdmurray> It should also fallback to a launchpad url iirc
[15:38] <mrooney> bdmurray: yeah it used to. I wonder if it was that I changed my mirror to something else temporarily, but now that I switched it back and re-updated I still don't get it. I thought maybe it was a pre-release only feature
[15:38] <bdmurray> mrooney: what package is it?
[15:38] <BUGabundo_work> if it aint apt-changes I don't know what you guys are talking about
[15:39] <bdmurray> mrooney: here's one http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/65241/
[15:40] <mrooney> bdmurray: the security updates, base-files, linux*, procps
[15:40] <mrooney> bdmurray: yeah I was only getting line 1
[15:40] <mrooney> well, am.
[15:40] <mrooney> or more accurately "The list of changes is not available"
[15:41] <mrooney> must be cached from the previous mirror I was using
[15:44] <bdmurray> mrooney: its not mirror specific its changelogs.ubuntu.com or launchpad.net
[15:46] <mrooney> bdmurray: oh okay, well then I have no idea why since yesterday I only see "The list of changes is not available"
[15:51] <mrooney> has anyone seen anything like bug 291626?
[15:51] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 291626 in ubuntu "no battery indicator in Intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291626
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> not here!
[15:51] <mrooney> I realized I didn't have one either; I thought it was just that the reporters laptop was fully charged
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> humm now that you talk about it
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[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> unpling ac from my laptop didn't lead the light
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> hadn't noticed it yet
[15:52] <mrooney> but I didn't get one until I added "Battery Charge Monitor" to gnome-panel
[15:52] <mrooney> then g-p-m appeared
[15:52] <mrooney> and then I removed the panel applet
[15:52] <mrooney> and it was fine
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> mine is missing too
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> oh no... its there!
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> too many icons
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> but my CPU applet is not showing it values
[15:54] <BUGabundo_work> ahh removed it and now its working again
[15:55] <BUGabundo_work> now, about that battery light!!!
[15:55] <arno_b> i have the same problem with networkmanager: i updated from hardy to intrepid and its icon disappeared
[15:56] <BUGabundo_work> mrooney: I need to had the battery applet!
[15:56] <BUGabundo_work> arno_b: check to see if you have ubuntu-desktop
[15:56] <BUGabundo_work> did you upgrade with update manager or distupgrade?=
[15:57] <arno_b> i will do that ;)
[15:57] <BUGabundo_work> mrooney: I was thinking about the battery light!! mine seems MIA!
[15:57] <arno_b> BUGabundo: using update-manager
[15:57] <BUGabundo_work> arno_b: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[15:57] <BUGabundo_work> strange then!
[15:57] <BUGabundo_work> have you rebooted?
[15:57] <BUGabundo_work> were you using official NM or PPA?
[15:58] <arno_b> BUGabundo: it is on my computer at work, I can't do that now
[15:58] <mrooney> BUGabundo_work: so it doesn't appear even if you unplug your laptop for a minute?
[15:58] <arno_b> BUGabundo: officla nm
[15:58] <BUGabundo_work> mrooney: the light not the applet!
[15:58] <BUGabundo_work> there are too aplets... not sure which you are missing!
[15:58] <mrooney> oh, interesting
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> one from gnome-power-manager
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> and another to just show batt % or time!
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> I have both
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> arno_b: have you rebooted since upgrade?
[15:59] <arno_b> BUGabundo_work: yep
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> try starting it from cli: nm-applet
[16:00] <arno_b> BUGabundo_work: i can't do that now, but i will
[16:15] <bdmurray> saivann_: have you tested your package for bug 270777?
[16:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 270777 in rhythmbox "[SRU] unable to copy music from an MTP device" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270777
[16:18] <saivann_> dmurray : I tested the uploaded package in intrepid-proposed
[16:18] <saivann_> bdmurray : Do you get different results?
[16:18] <saivann_> bdmurray : rhythmbox_0.11.6svn20081008-0ubuntu4.1
[16:19] <bdmurray> saivann_: How do you copy the file?  Maybe I'm doing it wrong.
[16:20] <saivann_> bdmurray : I just connect the MTP device (it appears in the left pannel of rhythmbox), I click on it to list the content of the MTP device, and then I simply drag and drop one music from the MTP device to my rhythmbox library folder (always in the left pannel)
[16:22] <saivann_> bdmurray : But you can also double-click on one music in the MTP device list to play it. It generally works well (it sometime jumps between music tracks because of another bug).
[16:23] <bdmurray> saivann_: hmm, it's exhibiting the same behavior for me - stuck at 0% transferring
[16:24] <saivann_> bdmurray : Are you sure that you are really using rhythmbox version that ends with "4.1" from intrepid-proposed?
[16:24] <saivann_> bdmurray : It would be strange because it works well there
[16:25] <bdmurray> saivann_: its 4.1 - I'll dig some more
[16:25] <saivann_> bdmurray : Oh.. perhaps you should revert "verification-done" to "verification-needed" then
[16:27] <saivann_> bdmurray : BTW, what MTP device are you using. I use a Creative Zen Vision M:
[16:27] <bdmurray> I think its a Creative Zen MicroPhoto
[16:29] <saivann_> weird that you still have the bug with upstream fix..
[16:29] <bdmurray> Ah, now I've gotten an error message
[16:29] <bdmurray> "Could not create a GStreamer sink element to write to ...."
[16:30] <saivann_> bdmurray : I've never see this message in the past, do you have all updates installed?
[16:31] <bdmurray> saivann_: I'll install the new kernel and stuff an let you know.
[16:33] <saivann_> bdmurray : Or you can use the final release LiveCD to test, mayb
[16:59] <arno_b> I want to get a backtrace from a CoreDump file, see bug 289341 . but gdb say 'not a core dump: File format not recognized'. Am I doing something stupid?
[16:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 289341 in firefox-3.0 "firefox crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289341
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[19:41] <lfaraone> Hey, is it an xorg bug if I'm able to boot the live CD, but nothing comes up on the monitor? (like I can switch to a tty, but xinit turns off the display?)
[19:50]  * jt66 is away: I'm busy
[19:54] <marrow> Hello
[19:54] <bdmurray> marrow: Hi
[19:55] <marrow> Am I in the right room to ask whether my problem with intrepid is a bug, or not?
[19:55] <bdmurray> Yes, we can try and help you finding that out.
[19:56] <marrow> OK, thanks in advance
[19:56] <marrow> So here it comes:
[19:56] <marrow> After upgrading, my laptop's volume control function keys are messed up
[19:57] <marrow> If I try to decrease the volume, it mutes the device completely
[19:57] <marrow> If I try to increase the volume, it puts on max. volume
[19:57] <marrow> And most of the buttons don't work afterwards
[19:58] <marrow> so I have to log out, and log in again
[19:58] <marrow> It is like the buttos were stuck (the Fn+VolUp, or Fn+VolDown)
[19:59] <marrow> I have googled around, but I guess intrepid is too fresh yet
[19:59] <marrow> I had no such problem in Hardy or Fiesty
[20:01] <bdmurray> What do you mean most of the buttons don't work afterwards?
[20:01] <bdmurray> Is it your whole keyboard that doesn't work?
[20:02] <marrow> First I thought so, but strangely the Ctrl+Alt+Del works
[20:03] <marrow> But not the letters
[20:04] <bdmurray> marrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting might be of some assistance
[20:04] <bdmurray> Have you tried recreating it with the Live CD?
[20:05] <marrow> Givr me a sec with th
[20:05] <marrow> the link
[20:05] <marrow> No, I don't have a LiveCD
[20:06] <bdmurray> Maybe try the guest account then
[20:08] <marrow> I have checked the link, thanks for it
[20:09] <bdmurray> It does sound like a bug
[20:09] <marrow> It seems I will have to take pretty much time to try to debug this issue
[20:09] <marrow> The log in - log out is not too comfortable
[20:17] <maco> bdmurray: i think marrow was a dup of bug 271706
[20:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 271706 in linux "Volume control wheel on laptop is sticking in ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271706
[20:21] <maco> lfaraone: does framebuffer stuff display, such as the ubuntu loading bar?
[20:22] <bdmurray> ogasawara: have you seen that bug?
[20:22] <maco> bdmurray: it appears to actually be at least 2 bugs with the same sympton
[20:22] <maco> *symptom
[20:23] <maco> since for some people, killing gnome-power-manager fixes it, and for others it doesnt
[20:24] <maco> well, not fixes, but is a workaround
[20:24] <bdmurray> it sounds to me like there are 2 issues - one with a volume control wheel and one with volume keys
[20:25] <maco> volume keys being the one that goes with the evdev-could-be-the-cause suggestion?
[20:25] <bdmurray> nope, volume keys & g-p-m , wheel and evdev / kernel quirk
[20:25] <maco> i was thinking it could be that some of them send ACPI events for the volume changing (and would be affected by g-p-m) whereas others send stuff to X
[20:31] <crimsun> huh?
[20:31] <crimsun> the volume wheel bug has nothing to do with g-p-m
[20:32] <bdmurray> that's what I was saying or trying to at least
[20:32] <crimsun> granted, there's a separate race in alsa-lib that complicates things, but that's not the culprit for this bug
[20:34] <ogra> crimsun, just wait ... g-p-m might take even that over some day :P
[20:34] <crimsun> ogra: yeah, I eagerly await the day I can reassign all audio-related bugs to g-p-m.  really.
[20:35] <ogra> lol
[20:39] <calc> intregrate it all into the kernel and reassign to 'linux' :)
[20:40] <ogra> calc, just wait until dbus moved into the kernel
[20:40] <ogra> (no, thats no joke)
[20:41] <calc> ogra: yea that was the basis of my joke ;-)
[20:41] <calc> everything is getting moved into the kernel, lol
[20:41] <ogra> modprobe gnome
[20:41] <ogra> modprobe -r gnome && modprobe kde
[20:41] <ogra> ;)
[20:42] <calc> X will be in kernel by 2.6.28 or so (iirc)
[20:42] <calc> well mode setting anyway
[21:10] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I hadn't seen that bug, but there was a keypress bug ben was working on where hotkeys would be sending keypress events as if in a loop
[21:11] <bdmurray> ogasawara: I was referring to volume wheel - 271706
[21:31] <angusthefuzz> have any of you seen the influx of bugs involved with the "places" menu not linking to nautilus but to an array of media programs?
[21:31] <calc> angusthefuzz: whoa that sounds really weird
[21:31] <bdmurray> I think there is a master bug for that
[21:32] <angusthefuzz> thanks bdmurray I couldnt find it
[21:32] <angusthefuzz> it should be in gnome-panel
[21:32] <angusthefuzz> but i couldnt seem to find it
[21:36] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: bug 260492
[21:36] <angusthefuzz> awesome, thanks bdmurray
[21:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 260492 in gnome-panel "opening a directory using an application change associations incorrectly" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260492
[21:41] <maco> angusthefuzz: yes
[21:41] <maco> er, nvm, im too late
[21:45] <maco> crimsun: some people commenting on that volume wheel & buttons bug said killing g-p-m was a workaround for them
[21:45] <crimsun> a workaround doesn't necessarily fix the underlying culprit.
[21:45] <crimsun> as you should know by now having been exposed to a sliver of audio bugs.
[21:59] <lfaraone> hey maco , crimsun .
[22:00] <lfaraone> maco: yes, the framebuffer does come up
[22:01] <crimsun> hey, lfaraone.
[22:02] <lfaraone> maco: I have some logs. (I'm not at the machine, but I scp'd dmesg, lspci, and syslog)
[22:08] <maco> crimsun: well yeah, but i thought maybe that meant it had something to do with it
[22:08] <maco> im trying to figure out how to use this bughelper thing
[22:12] <bdmurray> maco: What are you trying to do with it?
[22:12] <maco> bdmurray: ive never used it before. i know it can be helpful for finding dups, but i'm not sure how to tell it "search for this"
[22:13] <maco> i dont understand what it means by "clues"
[22:16] <bdmurray> maco: you provide it with some to look for and then a hint to return like 'this might be a dup of bug xyz'
[22:16] <bdmurray> I'll be happy to help you try something out
[22:18] <jibel> bdmurray: hi, could you point me to an ubuntustudio guru ? there is an important issue when upgrading ubuntustudio-menu from 8.04 to 8.10 in bug 276503
[22:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 276503 in ubuntustudio-menu "package ubuntustudio-menu 0.10 failed to install/upgrade: there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276503
[22:19] <maco> crimsun: would bug 291379 be invalid or still a bug?  pulse was looking at the wrong sound card even after he set his soundblaster to default in asoundconf. he said disabling the other one in the BIOS fixed his no-sound issue
[22:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 291379 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 8.10 sound system a mess!" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291379
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[22:21] <bdmurray> jibel: either https://launchpad.net/~coryisatm or https://launchpad.net/~luisbg
[22:21] <lfaraone> maco: not-a-bug..
[22:21] <jibel> bdmurray: thank you
[22:22] <jibel> bdmurray:  thank you
[22:22] <maco> lfaraone: well if he set his soundblaster as default, disabling the other in the bios shouldn't be strictly necessary, should it?
[22:23] <bdmurray> jibel: thanks for working on it!
[22:26] <maco> bdmurray: well im looking at the wiki now instead of the manpage, but how long is it supposed to sit there before it spits any info out?
[22:27] <bdmurray> maco: it really depends on the query
[22:27] <maco> er, oh i was using -p instead of -t
[22:28] <bdmurray> for example if you were to query w/o a package it'd search all bugs which would take a bit ;-)
[22:28] <maco> it says no clues found, but i put a message for it to print in the quotes like it shows on the wiki.  is that not ok now?
[22:28] <bdmurray> maco: it'd really help if you showed be the command you are using
[22:28] <lfaraone> maco: yeah, it does.
[22:29] <maco> bughelper -t nautilus "places menu" "dup of 260492"
[22:29] <lfaraone> maco: that's just the way it works/
[22:30] <bdmurray> bughelper -p nautilus -T nautilus "places menu" "dup of 260492" - would be better
[22:30] <maco> lfaraone: even if "well that's how it's always been" i dont think PA ignoring what's set as default should be considered not-a-bug
[22:30] <maco> oh you need -p and -T?
[22:31] <bdmurray>  -T is different from -t in that it tries only that clue
[22:31] <maco> ok
[22:31] <bdmurray> and by default it would query all ubuntu bug reports which would be quite slow
[22:31] <maco> it still says "'Checked at [] - no clues found. Check README on how to create one using the bugxml(1) command.'" but its still doing something
[22:32] <bdmurray> right, that message is fine
[22:32] <maco> ok
[22:33] <bdmurray> so now its checking all the open nautilus bugs for the string 'places menu'
[22:35] <maco> ok...waiting for it to finish
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> maco - i find bughelper is really useful for searching through things like call traces in kernel bugs - if you use the -A option, it searches attachments too
[22:38] <maco> chrisccoulson: yeah, i saw that in the manpage, i just wasnt sure how to put all the arguments together into something it will accept instead of spitting "Usage:" out at me
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> it does take a very long time if you search through attachments though
[22:39] <bdmurray> I'm happy to run queries in the data center for people too (its a bit faster there)
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> thats useful to know:)
[22:42] <maco> hrm, if someone files a bug about a package failing to install because they hit ctrl+C, but they say the install seemed to be hanging, is that still a bug?
[22:43] <maco> i put invalid since they did ^C, rather than it being the process just dying, but they're asking about what about since it was sitting there seeming to do nothing
[22:43] <maco> bug 291282
[22:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 291282 in landscape-client "package landscape-common 1.0.23-0ubuntu0.8.10.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291282
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> maco - it depends. some packages use ucf, which has a known UI problem I think, which leads to some users accidentally cancelling the upgrade
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> there is a bug report tracking that though
[22:45] <maco> is that one of those?
[22:45] <chrisccoulson> i'm just having a quick look
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> the repo's are going a bit slow at the moment!"
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> maco - it doesn't look like landscape-client uses ucf
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> so the user probably just interrupted it
[22:49] <maco> argh, nobody's paying any attention to the "me too" button
[22:49] <maco> can it just say "me too"? they might catch on better that way.
[22:50] <mrooney> maco: :)
[22:50] <mrooney> launchpad should search for "me too" in the comment and then tell them to use the button if they don't have any extra info
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> maco - just looking at that landscape-client bug
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> i think there is a potential race in the postinst script, although i don't know if it would cause it to hang for several minutes
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> the postinst script uses update-motd, which might get configured after apt tries to configure landscape-client. update-motd really should be a pre-depends of landscape-client
[22:56] <maco> ok
[22:56] <maco> so reopen as a packaging bug, you think?
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> i don't know if that is the issue though. it might be worth opening a separate report for that, because that is definately a possible trigger for installation/upgrade failures
[23:00] <Flare183> Where did my Floppy Drive goto?
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> try "sudo modprobe floppy"
[23:00] <Flare183> oh ok
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> that's a known bug (somewhere)
[23:01] <Flare183> chrisccoulson: Alright! Thanks!
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> the floppy module is not being loaded automatically. as a workaround, add "floppy" to your /etc/modules
[23:01] <Flare183> chrisccoulson: Has the bug already been reported or do you know?
[23:01] <Flare183> chrisccoulson: ok
[23:01] <Flare183> will do
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the bug is already reported, but i can't remember the number off the top of my head
[23:02] <Flare183> ok I"ll subscribe to it
[23:02] <maco> you have a floppy drive? O_o i was going to be a smartass and answer "back to 1997"
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> i have a floppy drive;)
[23:03] <maco> i didnt think they still made computers with those
[23:03] <maco> not in at least 5 years
[23:04] <chrisccoulson> the newer desktops we get at work don't have floppy drives, which is a real pain because some of the older kit i have to use at work still has floppy drives, and i still have to rely on them to copy data from them
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> in fact, i still have an old computer at my parents house with a cassette drive
[23:05] <Flare183> chrisccoulson: Yeah I know exactly what you mean, I have to use my floppy drive still too (I have an old DOS server right now with only a floppy drive)
[23:05] <maco> wait...you dont have USB ports on the older computers? O_O
[23:05] <maco> the only computer ive seen without a 3.5" floppy was a 486 running Window 3.11
[23:06] <maco> er without a USB prot
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> unfortunately, some of the old kit i have to use at work only have floppy drives (no USB/LAN etc), so the only way of getting data from them is to copy it on to floppy
[23:06] <maco> though that didnt have 3.5" floppy either. just 5.25"
[23:06] <maco> wow
[23:14] <bdmurray> maco: I forgot about the bughelper query did it finish?
[23:15] <maco> bdmurray: yes, didnt find anymore dups though
[23:16] <bdmurray> maco: it did return some bug numbers though correct?
[23:16] <maco> yes
[23:18] <bdmurray> cool
[23:20] <maco> bdmurray: thanks