[00:01] slangasek: good night (its late here) :) [00:01] luisbg: 'night! === spm_ is now known as spm === mathiaz_ is now known as mathiaz [02:21] cody-somerville: doing test installs of xubuntu and I have to admit, it's very pretty. [02:21] evand, thank you :) [02:22] evand, I'll be sure to pass on the compliments to our art guys :) [02:26] cody-somerville: will there be a xubuntu announcement page that you want linked from the ubuntu-announce mail? [02:27] slangasek, yes please. I'll prepare it right now. [02:27] ok [02:56] who do i contact about hosting a mirror for 8.10 on ipv6 [02:57] ptx0: how much bandwidth do you have? [02:58] 400mbit commit [02:59] Keybuk, 100mbit if that's what you meant [03:01] Keybuk, ? === TheMuso_ is now known as TheMuso === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [04:24] hey guys whats the ETA for intrepid final release? [04:25] need to update the channel topic [04:25] bokey: October 30th [04:25] Keybuk: its oct 30th here :P) [04:25] bokey, not everywheres in the world [04:25] it's released when it's released. [04:25] how's that? [04:26] i know cody-somerville just asking the ETA [04:26] bokey: and it will be October 30th somewhere for at least the next 32 hours [04:26] Keybuk: any specific time? [04:26] bokey: no, there is no specific time [04:26] can we have a FAQ page for this? [04:26] Keybuk: okie then [04:26] bokey, Please see #ubuntu-release-party [04:26] bokey: if you need the toilet, or to eat, of drink, I would recommend that you go now [04:27] rather than waiting for the release [04:27] lmao :P) [04:27] bokey: the release team will update the topic at the appropriate time [04:31] thanks Keybuk cjwatson for all canonical/ubuntu/debian devs for yet another distro! [04:31] yes, don't be like the kid in Alaska who got permission during the 8.04 release to stay up until 4am [04:32] s/for/and/g :P) [04:32] see yaa all when it gets released.. i'll hear the noise ;) [04:33] * jdong watches slangasek count to 10 and push the big RELEASE button [04:34] * Keybuk watches slangasek count to 10 in base 1,000,000 [04:34] Which is the same as counting 1 to 10 in base 10 [04:34] no, it's really not [04:34] Oh, duh [04:35] math, hard [04:35] Yup [04:35] and you're awake in your _own_ timezone! [04:36] * slangasek grins [04:39] perhaps chinese has enough characters [04:42] * StevenK tries to debug "X: client 1 rejected from local host" === evand changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: 8.10 - http://preview.ubunut.com/8.10 | 8.10 RC released | archive: Release Freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs || Evil bug 286175 [05:02] evand: oh I see what you did there. [05:03] * jdong hugs /etc/squid/rickroll.acl [05:04] ;) === ziroday` is now known as ziroday === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF [05:51] ptx0: not 100% sure if it's apropriate, but you could also try to ask your question in #canonical-sysadmin [06:24] i don't know how one could have 400mbit 95% commitment on a 100mbit port. [06:33] Hi. Is there any plan anywhere along the line to implement some kind of differential update system? Mostly curious why this has not been worked on or so. [06:35] genii: the issue is from delta from what? [06:36] Burgundavia: Base release version on CD would be my first thought. Then diffs based from there for each update. [06:37] genii: I suspect it comes down to lack of development time [06:37] However this may require some re-engineering of the dpkg system in some radical way, I suppose [06:37] although a delta-deb from the last stable might not be a bad idea, even if only for the big packages [06:38] Burgundavia: The idea occurs to me at times like these when the servers will be bogged down for extended periods.... [06:39] again, lack of development resources is the big issue, I suspect [06:40] Burgundavia: OK, thanks at least for responding. [06:41] if you want to volunteer to help, talk to michael vogt [06:41] mvo on irc [06:42] Burgundavia: OK. My C is rusty but I'm willing to give what I can [06:43] there is already apt-delta stuff [06:43] Burgundavia: Any idea which channel they frequent? [06:43] this one [06:43] mvo is European, so likely on in a few hours [06:43] OK. Apparently not here atm then [06:43] basically, delta-apt already exists [06:43] the issue is choosing to and from for the deltas [06:44] Burgundavia: I'll look at Launchpad for it to bone up on the subject [06:45] good morning [06:46] Bah. No assignee or in fact much of anything for this project. [06:48] No, wait. delta-apt and not apt-delta :) [06:50] genii: there are a few specs floating around about the subject [06:50] hey dholbach [06:50] hi Burgundavia [06:50] Burgundavia: Found Vogt's page there. He's a very busy boy. [06:58] genii: indeed he is [07:06] TheMuso: Incidentally, good work on the Pulseaudio shenanagins. Everything works here; even the 32bit Skype. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [08:17] oh, first package in intrepid-updates? [08:18] Some time ago. [08:18] Copied from -security, IIRC. [08:18] More coming. [08:22] I think im gonna reinstall. I've upgraded from feisty to gutsy to hardy and intrepid. Im missing things like that unified shutdown button i've heard about :) [08:23] stefanlsd: Intrepid will ask you if you want to switch over to it. [08:23] Or you can do it manually. [08:23] I've machines upgraded from Warty that work fine. [08:24] wgrant: heh. yeah. i think i've also just got tons of cruft from the dev cycles. would rather start fresh. also gonna evaluate ext4 or xfs (now with hans being in prison and all) [08:30] stefanlsd: I tried XFS some years ago switched back to ext3 after I got a fs corruption on the same day on my desktop and my notebook after doing a package update [08:31] I hope you will have more luck with XFS [08:33] geser: i've done some testing, and it seems ok. From what im reading, ext4 sounds pretty good. Just need to see if it can do online resize. I really like that feature of reiser. [08:37] I guess people are aware that "xscreensaver setup" and "orca" have popped up in their own new menus in the Applications menu in intrepid? [08:37] I can't find a bug about it, but I think that should be fixed before release if at all possible... [08:38] mdke: under what menu? [08:38] it wasn't notified as a UI freeze exception that I can see, and they look strange having their own menu [08:38] I'm a few days behind updates, but I don't see them [08:38] ajmitch: "System Tools" and "Universal Access" respectively [08:38] both are the only items in those menus [08:39] Good morning [08:39] hey pitti [08:39] hiya pitti [08:39] hey mdke [08:39] hi ajmitch, long time no see! [08:39] pitti: I've been around, just not active :) [08:40] guys still bbc connection from totem [08:40] I've filed the xscreensaver one as bug 291000, not sure about the orca one, maybe that is justifiable, but it still looks odd all on its own in the menu [08:40] Launchpad bug 291000 in xscreensaver "xscreensaver has appeared in System Tools menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291000 [08:46] mdke: is this on Ubuntu if so I don't have on either test install from last night === genii-2 is now known as genii [08:54] davmor2: yes, on Ubuntu [08:55] mdke: no xscreensaver in my main install or either of my test installs === tseliot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: 8.10 - http://preview.ubuntu.com/8.10 | 8.10 RC released | archive: Release Freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs || Evil bug 286175 [08:57] davmor2: ok? [08:57] bah, what the heck is wrong with ddebs.ubuntu.com's Release files [09:07] pitti: The release file references itself?!? [09:08] pitti: e.G. http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/hardy-updates/Release references da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709 0 dists/hardy-updates/Release [09:08] lool: that, too, but that doesn't hurt [09:08] pitti: What's the issue? [09:08] lool: the intrepid one has an invalid structure and references the entire tree [09:09] and I didn't implement race-free updating of Packages.gz, Release, and Release.gpg [09:09] bah, I don't want to rewrite half of soyuz for that [09:10] Bah we can't really make it fully race free anyway [09:25] pitti: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122139 [09:32] tseliot, nice timing, nvidia :/ [09:34] directhex: will need an SRU (sooner or later) [09:34] tseliot, was that the missing piece causing the nvidia->nv thing? [09:34] directhex: yep [09:34] 96 and 71 [09:34] so 71 still needs an update? [09:35] no, they have updated that too [09:35] they are beta drivers though [09:36] could be worse. i have some nvidia kit that locks up on any driver other than 171.06.01 [09:36] :-/ [09:36] gets detected fine with anythign 8800gtx-happy, but locks up when actually using it [09:37] 10:00.0 3D controller: nVidia Corporation Tesla S870 (Compute Server Component) (rev a2) [09:37] did you report the problem? [09:37] (to nvidia) [09:38] to nvidia? no point. technically it's the only driver they show as supported [09:38] try picking the S870 on nvidia.com [09:38] which, of course, is dumb, since the big pull for tesla is meant to be it uses normal drivers [09:41] i blame the silly approach to PCI busses it has [09:41] [jms@durandal ~]$ /sbin/lspci | grep Tesla | grep -c "PCI bridge" [09:41] 10 [09:42] what's the output of this command? lspci -n |grep 300 [09:43] nothing [09:43] ??? [09:43] hey tseliot! [09:43] mvo: hi :-) [09:44] directhex: what do you mean by "nothing"? [09:44] tseliot, nothing. [09:44] [jms@durandal ~]$ /sbin/lspci -n | grep 300 [09:44] [jms@durandal ~]$ [09:45] tseliot: I just read about a new translation of "the waste land" this morning :) [09:45] tseliot, technically tesla has no vga out, so it sorta makes sense for it not to be a vga controller [09:45] mvo: did you enjoy it? [09:45] aah read "about" [09:45] tseliot: but of course I have something more serious going on too, have you ever seen something lik ethis https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/290638 ? [09:45] Launchpad bug 290638 in update-manager "kubuntu upgrade error" [Undecided,New] [09:46] * tseliot has a look [09:46] tseliot: I just read about it, never read it myself, but it sounded fascinating! are you a fan (I would guess so)? [09:46] mvo: yes, hence my nickname [09:49] mvo: maybe this line didn't work? if dpkg-divert --list 'nvidia-glx-new' | grep /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 [09:49] hmm... [09:50] directhex: I get something like this: 01:00.0 0300: 10de:02e2 (rev a2) [09:51] tseliot, so do i, but not on the tesla box [09:51] tseliot: I think its not wide-spread, I test it on two different systems and both times nvidia-glx-new upgraded fine from hardy to intrepid, but I think this failure is real too - we just need to figure out what triggers it [09:53] davmor2: did you install the nvidia driver from NVIDIA's website too? [09:53] mvo: right [09:56] directhex: weird... [10:00] directhex: I'm still convinced that you problem is worth reporting to nvidia [10:02] directhex: if driver 177 can be loaded using your card and it locks up then it's a bug [10:02] in the sense that it shouldn't load at all or that it shouldn't lock up when loaded [10:02] hm, intrepid seems a bit screwy on my laptop. how odd [10:03] compiz is a complete failure on here. how disappointing, it's worked for years [10:04] hi [10:04] I have a little problem with repository signing... [10:04] tseliot: no it was the nvidia driver from jockey [10:05] the repo is signed, the key imported to my laptop, and apt§get update downloads the Release.gpg, and doesn't complain the key is missing [10:05] but when I want to install a package from that repo, apt complains the package is unauthenticated.... [10:05] am I missing something ? should work afaik.... [10:07] Tonio_: might be proxy issues, you could try to move away the stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists/* to see if that helps [10:08] mvo: I have no proxy set for apt, but I'll try this [10:08] mvo: I had the same problem on one computer and it started to work with no reason after a couple of hours... [10:09] davmor2: I didn't mean the last driver that you installed. Have you ever installed the driver from nvidia's website in that Ubuntu installation? [10:10] mvo: didn't help I'm affraid..... [10:12] Tonio_: you could try to run: "sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=true" and see if that helps, it might be transparent proxy [10:13] tseliot: no it was a fresh install [10:14] mvo: hum I think there is a reverse proxy indeed... let's try this [10:15] davmor2: ok, so you installed Hardy and then upgraded to Intrepid, right? [10:16] the line "nvidia-glx-new is not properly installed - ignoring any dependencies on it." makes me wonder whats going on there [10:16] tseliot: I installed hardy did all the updates, rebooted and then added the nvidia-glx-new driver from jockey-kde, rebooted and then upgraded to intrepid [10:17] mvo: still no luck :/ [10:17] mvo: I've never seen that problem, this is weird, really [10:17] * davmor2 checks to see if he still has the lshw on this machine [10:18] tseliot: nice; do they have an updated 71, too? [10:18] mvo, davmor2: yes, something wrong happened in Hardy then [10:18] pitti: yep [10:21] Tonio_: could you run "sudo apt-get update -o Debug::Acquire::http=true" and put the output somewhere ? that will record the http traffic and might give us clues [10:21] tseliot, mvo: lshw should be at http://www.davmor2.co.uk/64test.html [10:22] mvo: well on a native intrepid computer I don't have the issue, so I suspect there is something broken somewhere on that laptop.... trying to reinstall and eventually try as you said if it doesn't work [10:22] mvo: thanks for the help given :) [10:23] davmor2: what I meant is that maybe nvidia-glx-new wasn't installed correctly for some reason [10:23] in Hardy [10:23] davmor2: you were able to reproduce that, right? [10:23] davmor2: since dpkg said that "nvidia-glx-new is not properly installed - ignoring any dependencies on it" [10:23] davmor2: did you install it via jockey? [10:24] asac: hm, wasn't there a time when firefox would ask me to install flash? (I have a clean intrepid installation) [10:24] pitti: only if you visit a site that doesnt use the flash-detection-kit [10:24] pitti: try video.google.com [10:24] asac: hm, I could have sworn it worked on youtube before [10:24] mvo: yeap [10:25] davmor2: with the kubuntu jockey? [10:25] mvo: yeap [10:25] pitti: no it never worked there.. however, once you have a first üplugin installed you can use the "tools -> manage content plugins ..." to switch plugins and install more alternatives ... give it a try [10:26] mvo: is it a known problem with the kubuntu jockey? [10:26] mvo, tseliot: how about this then if I reinstall kubuntu hardy and get the apt.logs from that before upgrade would that help? [10:26] davmor2: *maybe* there is something wrong with it that causes the problem, or maybe its something like that it reports that the install finished too early and you shut down while it was working - to throw out some theories :) [10:27] asac: ah, thanks [10:27] tseliot: not that I know of [10:27] mvo: no it finishes and say system requires reboot [10:27] it is at that point that I reboot [10:28] davmor2: right, I was wondering if it might display this notification too early for some reason (again, just a theory) [10:29] davmor2: but yes, the logs could be useful [10:29] mvo: pass I can try it again and leave it for 10 minutes before rebooting see if that helps either way I'll reinstall it now :) [10:30] davmor2: excellent, thanks a lot [10:32] hi sabdfl! happy release day! :) [10:34] sabdfl, come to #ubuntu-release-party :) [10:35] though they might run you down :) [10:35] davmor2: aother test might be to install the nvidia module manually via apt-get and see if you expeirnece the same failure in this case [10:36] mvo: wilko, I'll do it via jockey first for the log and then try that after :) [10:38] davmor2: thanks a lot! [10:38] * mvo hugs davmor2 [10:39] ogra: yeah, they probably will, come to think of it [10:39] but that might be enjoyable [10:40] lol [10:51] asac: dude the homepage is still kinda sparse ;) [10:52] davmor2: i am not doing the homepage ;) [10:52] thats the website team ;) [10:52] Ah cool [11:06] davmor2: totem/bbc seems to be fixed now [11:07] cjwatson: Yay [11:07] cjwatson: get much sleep? [11:07] a few hours [11:09] mvo, tseliot: right doing the updates now do you want a log pre-nvidia install? [11:11] davmor2: yes please, /var/log/dpkg.log is probably most helpful, if there is a /var/log/apt/term.log too, that too [11:11] no probs [11:17] mvo: term.log is empty all the other logs will be going to http://www.davmor2.co.uk/h-k-logs/ [11:17] davmor2: did you wait a bit or reboot immediately this time? [11:18] mvo: this is pre-nvidia install I'll be doing that in a second [11:18] davmor2: ok, thanks [11:19] dpkg.log should be up and accessible [11:20] mvo: installing now [11:24] mvo: I noticed a lot of (250 on a basic installation) "_usr_share_...png" icon names in /usr/share/app-install/icons/. Is that wanted? (which has more than 3000 files) [11:25] mvo, tseliot: Right dpkg1.log up jockey window is open and says reboot but dpkg1.log says half configured [11:25] davmor2: can we see the log? [11:26] tseliot: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/h-k-logs/ is where I'll be putting all the logs [11:26] davmor2: ok, if you now wait a bit, does that change anything? [11:26] i.e. does it update it? [11:26] tseliot: does jocky write some logs somewhere? [11:27] mvo: no entry beyond the 11:20:43 [11:28] mvo: AFAIK it writes logs only in debug mode, right pitti? [11:28] ATM yes [11:28] davmor2: hm, "2008-10-30 11:20:43 status installed nvidia-glx-new 169.12+2.6.24.14-21.51" <- that looks good actually [11:28] I recently opened a wishlist bug to always write one, with log rotation [11:28] makes things so much easier [11:28] * tseliot nods [11:29] mvo: safe too reboot then? [11:29] davmor2: what does "dpkg -l nvidia-glx-new" tell you ? [11:29] davmor2: yeah [11:30] bug 286175 [11:30] Launchpad bug 286175 in fontconfig "evince crashed with SIGSEGV in FcConfigSubstituteWithPat()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286175 [11:32] mvo: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/h-k-logs/dpkg-l.txt [11:33] rebooting [11:35] thanks davmor2, looks fine [11:36] for users eager to get 8.10 final, it should be safe to run update-manager -d now, right ? [11:36] mvo, tseliot: Right rebooted. Screen is now correct resolution, size and position. [11:37] joaopinto: its just update-manager -d isnt necessary after release [11:37] mvo: no change to the dpkg.log [11:37] mvo: shall I go for the upgrade now? [11:38] davmor2: does this command say anything? sudo dpkg --configure -a [11:38] danbh_intrepid, right now -d is still needed right ? Or is it already set as released ? [11:38] it isnt, watch #ubuntu-release-party :) [11:39] tseliot: nope [11:39] so my question is related to using -d now :P [11:39] davmor2: ok, good. You shouldn't have problems with the dist-upgrade now [11:39] joaopinto, yes, you still need -d until its released [11:42] tseliot, mvo: Right upgrade in progress ping you when it's done [11:42] ok, thanks [11:54] mvo, tseliot: ping http://www.davmor2.co.uk/h-k-logs/Error.png [11:54] davmor2: logs? [11:55] tseliot: do you want them now or at the end of the upgrade? [11:56] davmor2: let it complete the upgrade [11:56] okay [12:13] there's some weird people on ubuntu-devel-discuss sometimes. [12:14] highvoltage: But mc should be on the CD! [12:14] Treenaks: hah! [12:14] ;) [12:16] tseliot, mvo: dpkg2.log is up an others you want/need? [12:24] davmor2: thanks I'll have a look at it ASAP [12:24] * tseliot > lunch [12:34] seb128: FYI, I stopped the retracers (well, most were already ^C'ed), since I'm working on ddebs.u.c. index generation [12:34] seb128: this should now be much more robust, so that we'll hopefully lose much fewer ddebs and don't run into locking issues any more [12:34] pitti: ok thanks, they are not really useful right now anyway since we don't have apport running by default [12:34] pitti: good [12:34] command-not-found primarily finds out commands/packages relationships from Contents files, yes? [12:35] thanks davmor2 [12:36] mvo: any thing else you're likely to need? [12:36] liw: I scan the archive regularly and generate shorter contents file out of it [12:37] liw: it does a bit more too, simple alternatives scanning for example [12:37] (update-alternatives) [12:37] mvo, so the reason it suggests system-cleaner is in system-cleaner is because the database is out of date? [12:37] liw: yes [12:37] mvo, when does it get updated? for the point release? [12:37] liw: we should do a SRU for it [12:37] let me prepare that [12:37] ook, thanks [12:38] liw: would be nice if you could file a bug and help with the sru paperwork [12:38] mvo, will 290444 do? [12:38] bug #290444 [12:38] Launchpad bug 290444 in system-cleaner "Running "system-cleaner" from the command line is wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290444 [12:39] liw: yes [12:40] mvo, can I reassign that to command-not-found-data? [12:40] yes [12:41] now I just need to learn how to do that [12:43] "Also affects project"? [12:44] liw: also affects distribution, if you mean the ubuntu package [12:45] Hobbsee, oh, so that's what that is, I thought it was ubuntu vs debian vs red hat vs etc [12:45] liw: it is, but you can specify the source package. [12:49] if you want to reassign a bug rather than saying that it affects *both* system-cleaner and command-not-found-data, you should use the drop-down rather than also affects distribution [12:50] cjwatson, the... drop-down? [12:51] liw: click on the status or priority [12:51] liw: little down arrows [12:51] liw: with the little down arrows [12:51] oh, the eject button [12:51] doesn't that usually go upwards? :) [12:52] pitti, given how cavalier web pages are with symbols, should I care about the direction? :) [12:52] liw: hey, I'm not claiming that it is utterly discoverable, or I like it, or so :) [12:54] liw: i'm told it's definetly *not* an eject button [12:54] :) [12:56] Hobbsee, i don't find that icon ambiguous. i had never realised that the yellow pencil icon was a pencil, though [13:04] superm1: ping === cprov is now known as cprov-afk [13:27] cloning a system into a directory using rsync and then upgrading it from a chroot should be reliable for testing ? [13:33] davmor2: can you upload the files that you have in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ ? [13:39] superm1: around? we're converging, and http://mythbuntu.org/8.10/release will need to be unembargoed fairly soon if I'm to include it in the announce mail === gouki_ is now known as gouki [13:43] slangasek, http://xubuntu.org/news/intrepid/release will be our release page announcement [13:43] how soon will it be? :) [13:43] i spy release images on my local mirror [13:43] slangasek, please let me know when we're about to release so that I can quickly migrate our website [13:44] cody-somerville: we're about to release :-P [13:44] eck [13:46] heh, I guess I could to the web site rehauls as well, then (ubuntu-fi.org) [13:47] do, that is [13:49] slangasek, dont include it in the announce mail. the umenu thing ended up still being trouble so we're gonna be ~1day late it looks [13:51] superm1: ack [13:55] mvo: ping [13:56] slangasek: pong [13:57] mvo: hi, is there another meta-release update that needs to be done for the final release? [13:58] slangasek: yes, when the release is officially out, the meta-release file needs to be updated to include intrepid. this is prepared in bzr, it just needs to be copied in place (that is currently done manual) [13:58] slangasek: but its "cp meta-release-bzr/meta-release www/" [13:58] mvo: ok, please do :) [13:58] pitti: I think I know how to fix the treeview bug in jockey-gtk but I can't make it display the icon in the systray. Is there a way to do this? [13:59] pitti: and yes, I removed /var/cache/jockey [14:00] tseliot: removing /var/cache/jockey/check and jockey-gtk --check should do it [14:00] tseliot: if that returns immediately, then it doens't find any drivers [14:00] pitti: aah it was "--check" [14:03] slangasek: done and verified that it works [14:03] mvo: thanks [14:04] (people still need to explicitely trigger it via software-properties-gtk because of lts->non-lts upgrade) [14:05] * mvo has done this a couple of times now, but every single time is exciting [14:06] * slangasek grins [14:10] slangasek, geeez [14:10] wot? :) [14:10] kicking off the masees :) [14:12] slangasek: congratulations === slangasek changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Ubuntu 8.10 released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs || Evil bug 286175 [14:12] congratulations everyone. congratulations slangasek. And thank you. [14:12] great job, everyone :) [14:12] * pitti jumps for joy [14:13] congrats everyone it's out :) [14:13] slangasek: we have a release already? [14:13] * ogra dances [14:13] nxvl, we do ! :) [14:13] Checking for a new ubuntu release [14:13] No new release found [14:13] LIES! [14:13] directhex: Because Hardy is LTD [14:13] So when does Jaunty open? :) [14:13] LTS [14:13] directhex, have you switch to non LTS ? [14:13] \o/ [14:14] i just make it to the unofficial annouce [14:14] \o/ [14:14] congratulations everyone [14:14] directhex: check http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [14:14] slangasek: fyi-- I assigned bug #291091 to you [14:14] Launchpad bug 291091 in pam "passwd -e locks account" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291091 [14:15] slangasek: it just came in and is a result of the changes in common-account [14:15] slangasek: I assigned it to you cause of your pam-auth-update fu [14:15] mvo, oh, hm. clever. i'm just used to handing a -c to update-manager [14:15] directhex: what's even worse -- dist-upgrade to jaunty doesn't work!!11! [14:16] pitti, whyso? [14:16] \o/ [14:16] oh, wait, JAUNTY [14:16] stable releases are soo boring :-P [14:16] directhex: no problem -d will work as well, but in +6month you will get a hardy->jaunts update this way ;) [14:16] directhex: hm, probably even earlier .) [14:16] mvo, yay, jaunty! [14:16] mvo: why do we support hardy->jaunty (which we don't usually), but not hardy->intrepid? [14:16] jdstrand: right, nijaba already prodded about that and I asked him to subscribe me; thanks [14:17] * directhex has Plans(tm) for jaunty [14:17] slangasek: interesting-- he asked me to look at it *shrug* [14:17] wake me when jaunty opens, i wanted to have a package downgraded to universe === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:20] pitti: we don't sorry, I think what I said was misleading. "update-manager -d" will bring people from hardy to intrepid too (in addition to the way via software-propoerties" [14:20] mvo: right, I meant why would u-n announce jaunty in hardy? [14:22] lamont: debdiffs attached to bug #277370 and bug #289060 [14:22]