[00:29] ogra: don't suppose you know how to switch _off_ the "maximise all windows and have no decorations" feature of ubuntu mobile do you? [01:26] Hi folks, i Had a question regarding ubuntu-mobile. Is there a particular reason that the "dark" look was chosen and deviates from standard Ubuntu look? [02:27] superm1, No special reason : mostly to make it look different. There are a couple theme tweaks, but nothing that couldn't be applied to a different theme. [02:28] popey, It's a gconf key : I believe it's in /desktop/ somewhere. I can hunt it down later if you don't find it easily. [02:28] persia, so i take it enough apps look well in the dark theme to make it justifiable then? i had assumed that was the reason that standard didn't go dark in the end [02:29] At least the basic apps in the image displayed reasonably. I think there was significantly less testing and review than for Ubuntu Desktop, so it may be that some things are unsuitable. [02:30] For the most part, a dark theme can work fairly well, at least from listening to reports from Ubuntu Studio users, although it may not work as well for *everything*, and Ubuntu Desktop has a much wider userbase than anything else. [02:30] well for what it's worth, the devices i was mentioning the other day are 1024x600, so those teams will be giving it a look [02:30] but if anywhere that's the resistance that i'd suspect [02:31] You might do a diff between NewHuman and NewHumanMobile. I suspect the same changes would work simply if applied against Human rather than NewHuman. [02:32] well the ideal solution will be not having to make any changes :), so i'll just hold off offering that as a suggestion for now to them [02:35] Yeah, it's just that with the archive frozen, no changes or updates are being published. [02:35] And when SRUs start (Thursday or Friday I think), putting in a new theme package would be tricky. [02:36] well odds are if the only complaint is theming, it will be a factory only change [02:36] but in planning for jaunty, i was mostly curious for if there was a big driving reason behind it [02:38] It looked nice? [02:39] Really, it's more a collection of input by various interested parties, rather than any specific guided product : the goal is to make something that is interesting and useful for the people that use it. [02:41] well i'll pass on any feedback that I get after they look at it. it will be a little bit until i get it likely though given their current schedule === asac_ is now known as asac === persia_ is now known as persia [10:34] persia: thanks, I'll have a rummage [10:36] popey, not a gconf key [10:36] go to system->preferences->sessions, uncheck devilspie ... re-login [10:38] ogra, devilspie doesn't store that stuff in gconf? [10:38] nope [10:38] perfect [10:38] it uses a config file [10:38] thanks ogra [10:38] I "converted" my ubuntu mobile install on the e900 to an ubuntu desktop install [10:38] popey, My apologies for the misdirection. [10:39] it has its own markup language to do anything you want with a WM window [10:39] no worries persia - I hadn't got as far as gconf anyway :) [10:39] popey, Screen too big for all-maximised-all-the-time ? [10:39] it's only a 9" screen, but I prefer gnomey stuff [10:39] apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-mobile-default-settings ;) [10:40] It is all gnomey stuff, but with gconf fiddling :) [10:40] kill your user .gconf dir and you should mainly have a default ubuntu desktop [10:40] if I had a touch screen mini thing then yes, I'd probably go ubuntu mobile but as the eee 900 is kinda a "proper" big boys computer, i prefer a gnome desktop [10:40] popey, You *really* want to purge the default-settings package then : that does all the gconf magic to make it look different. [10:40] i have manually tweaked everything, turning it into a real web book - removing most of the local apps [10:41] yeah, that went early on :) [10:41] sorry chaps, don't mean to distract you from important release type stuff with my eee tales :) [10:41] hmm, the devilspie config should have gone with uninstalling ubuntu-mobile-default-settings [10:41] At this point, we're just testing images, so not a problem. It's always good to hear from users. [10:41] so you shouldnt have any maximized undecorated windows anymore [10:41] popey, You might want to just purge devilspie. [10:42] yes, ubuntu-mobile-default-settings is definitely already removed, but devilspie remained [10:42] well, devilspie shouldnt sart without a config file ... and that config sits in ubuntu-mobile-default-settings [10:42] so i wonder whats going on there [10:43] i guess you didnt purge :) [10:43] yes, status is rc [10:43] so the configs stay in place [10:43] well spotted [10:44] ogra: i tracked down the expensive GTKDrawing call in the NewHumanMobile theme to it setting rgba to TRUE in the murrine engine. [10:44] apt-get remove --purge cellwriter devilspie xautomation xserver-xorg-input-evtounch netbook-launcher ... [10:44] then all mobile specific pieces should be gone [10:44] ian_brasil, ah, might be worth an SRU, though i have to check how the look changes [10:45] setting this to FALSE brins it back in line with the others...you loose opacity but i mthink it looks ok [10:46] s/opacity/transparency/ * [10:46] ? [10:46] yes right transparency...rgba calls it opacity for some reason [10:49] what is SRU? [10:51] stable release update :) [10:52] post release change through an update ... we cant change the image contants anymore [10:52] *contents === lool changed the topic of #ubuntu-mobile to: Ubuntu Mobile | FAQ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/FAQ | UMPC img http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-umpc/intrepid/current | MID img http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/ [15:02] ogra: ping [15:02] vbatts, pong === Sciri__ is now known as Sciri === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL === ubott2 is now known as ubottu