[00:02] wow, an entry without a hello sinners. [00:38] whaaa? [00:38] !gtfo [00:38] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [00:38] !noob [00:38] Acronyms or statements like noob, jfgi, stfu, or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period. [00:38] odd. [00:56] orifice: Howdy. [00:57] orifice, how about you change your quit message, it isn't entirely nice [00:58] LjL: believe he's idle [01:00] ubottu: tell cooldude|away about away [01:07] well ok, I'll do that ... [01:07] thanks [01:10] orifice: You can rejoin #ubuntu [01:34] what's going to happen to #kubuntu-kde4 now [01:35] Not sure. [01:35] orifice: Please don't idle here. [01:35] PARTY! [01:36] You can either do 4 and 3 support in the same channel, or make a -kde3 channel for older versions [01:36] kde3 support will be waning [01:36] Only another year of KDE3 support, yeah. [01:37] and that will be only for the folks who've not upgraded [01:37] which is why i'll probably be switching to something else anyway [01:37] nalioth: Yeah, but we have plenty of people in #ubuntu who have older versions, they won't go away [01:37] Flannel: understood, but eventyally, they _will_ go away [02:08] *sigh* [02:09] children. [02:12] if wsa should come complaining, i refer you to: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63089/ [02:12] off for TV [02:40] sorry. [05:48] ubottu: tell oly562 about coc [06:34] Anyone awake? [06:34] hm? [06:35] Just asking for a second opinion, but you're not in #u, so don't worry about it. [06:35] aww [06:35] He... already took the liberty of removing the doubt [06:36] hehe [06:36] without question. Toyota Corolla? [06:36] Heh [06:36] That's what got him kicked the first time. [06:37] Ah, and of course, he's a talker. [06:37] he is in PM? [06:37] Aye [06:37] oof [06:38] Nothing terribly witty though, unfortunately. [06:38] clearly not. [06:45] great, ban evasion. [06:54] Flannel: if you're going to be active for a while, just ban 119.11.15.* and be done with it ;) [06:54] (then remove when you go idle) [06:54] mneptok: Nah, second one wasn't from there. Or at least, that I could see. [06:55] i=plural@creep.bur.st] [06:55] EF_Codd was who i was talking about [06:55] mneptok: right, same guy. [06:55] came back as that host [06:56] so ban both >:) [06:56] I did. [06:57] well, not the wildcard raw IP [06:57] *shrug* [06:57] juss sayin'. he's your ... project. :/ [06:57] if he came back, I'm sure it'd be with an entirely different host, etc. [07:02] mneptok: olys been giving mild annoyances all day. [07:03] yeah, i /lastlog'ed before admonishing [07:07] !staff ylsid [07:07] Sorry, I don't know anything about staff ylsid [07:07] gah [07:07] !staff [07:07] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [07:08] ylsid just spammed #u, and is connected to a bunch of other distro channels [07:08] okee, bedtime [07:08] noitay [07:22] In ubottu, sayedmohu said: nobody is bothered to answer me [07:28] can somebody help me out [07:34] sayedmohu: support happens in #ubuntu, this channel is for disciplinary and administrative things. [07:36] so where should i go to get some help [07:36] sayedmohu: #ubuntu [07:36] i'm already there.... but i'm not getting any satisfactory response [07:40] sayedmohu: You weren't helping anyone to help you. [07:40] i'm a dummy in ubuntu... so how can i help [07:41] sayedmohu: When people ask you questions about your problem, answer them. [07:41] didn't u see that i answered??? [07:43] sayedmohu: Then they ask for more information, and you don't answer. No one can fix a problem if they don't know what the problem is. [07:43] i answered [08:11] blargh. s/Sunday/Trollday/ [08:13] Flannel: is it not monday? [08:13] jussi01: It's 1am, but I haven't gone to sleep yet, so it's still Sunday. Also, it's the end of the day, and has been this way for an unfortunately large amount of time today. [08:14] * jussi01 hugs Flannel [08:14] I imagine it has to do with the upcoming release. [08:14] likely [08:15] oh, and if oly562 steps out of line, ban him. I've given him many warnings, and had a nice discussion with him. I imagine he'll wait at least an hour before trying something else though. But he's really been given too many chances as it is. [08:33] hmmm, jussi01, ubottu seems to be lagging [08:33] !test [08:33] sigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed. [08:33] oh wait [08:33] hehe [08:33] nope, just a repeat factoid [09:11] Whos awake with -ot ops? [09:11] jussi01? [09:12] nope [09:12] I dont have ot ops [09:12] bother. [09:26] Flannel: -ot lack of ops guys is something I may post about ont he mail list [09:26] been caught out quite a few times [09:26] cwillu: what's up ? [09:28] was about to gripe about the kick-troll in #ubuntu-offtopic. More because he managed to bait a dozen folks, which defeated my ignore filter :p [09:28] cwillu: looks like Flannel is sorting it [09:29] over and done with, yes, thanks :) [09:29] * cwillu wonders if he's supposed to leave the channel now :p [09:29] the elk was awake [09:29] cwillu: type "/topic" [09:29] is it back? [09:29] ah, missed that [09:29] no no [09:29] UbuntuHelper called the ops in #kubuntu () [09:29] oh dear [09:29] elkbuntu: I didn't se you deal with it just flannel hunting for someone [09:29] you lied [09:30] oh great [09:30] jussi01: you'r up;) [09:30] jussi01: remove him, he's trying it in ##linux [09:30] he's doing it in every channel [09:30] ikonia: I only got rid of him in #u when he brought that particular incident there. He's been grating on my in #u for at least four hours, slowly. [09:30] !staff ^ [09:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about staff ^ [09:30] * elkbuntu scowls at ubottu [09:31] * jussi01 scowls at elkbuntu - learn to use her! :P [09:31] I know that IP [09:32] @btlogin [09:33] ikonia: I didn't see anything earlier [09:33] Hmmmm [09:33] same subnet was in my personal logs for some reason [09:33] maybe a typo on my part [09:34] riiighto. someone please hold me back in #freenode. [09:34] elkbuntu: what happened? [09:34] i'm being told to /ignore a troll and leave it for the ops of ubuntu channels to deal with [09:34] nice. [09:34] elkbuntu: mrhgh [09:35] by a moron unaffiliated [09:36] yay for christel :) [09:37] christel, note the scrollback, and i'll grep his stupidity from -offtopic [09:37] thank you [09:38] he actually left when asked, but is being a serial pest everywhere [09:39] elkbuntu: he timed out when asked, doubt it was intentional [09:39] Flannel, it's not the first time he's done this [09:39] elkbuntu: I'm sure. [09:40] has he also used a different nick? or is ubuntuhelper the only one? [09:40] when he signs in it's ubuntu as he appears to be on a live cd [09:40] christel, see http://pastebin.ca/1237663 -- it's without context, but i'm not sure it's needed. can provide if you want. [09:41] ikonia: its actually U first, then he switches to Ubuntu, then UbuntuHelper [09:41] christel, he's only half-registered too [09:41] Flannel: so not a livecd then by the looks of it [09:41] -NickServ- UbuntuHelper has NOT COMPLETED registration verification [09:42] ikonia, what did he do in ##linux? [09:42] just started trying !ops [09:42] until the ##linux ops stepped in [09:42] no reason [09:42] ikonia: I'd say no. He was originally (earlier tonight) on as admin__ [09:42] he is back: [09:42] [11:39:06] <-- UbuntuHelper (n=admin@c220-237-186-71.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit (Remote closed the connection) [09:42] [11:40:11] --> U (n=admin@c220-237-186-71.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #kubuntu [09:42] [11:40:38] <-> U is now known as Guest84368 [09:42] ikonia, you'd probably have plenty of optus subnets in your logs. they're a major phone/isp company here. [09:42] then started to ask people how he could help, [09:42] elkbuntu: this one was only a range up [09:43] ikonia, when you're bored, /who *optusnet.com.au and cry. [09:43] ha ha [09:44] elkbuntu: christel do you need the bit from #k just now? [09:45] nah its ok, in there now [09:45] he's been in ##linux previously, though, at the time he was helpful [09:46] looks like he's been in ubuntu too as admin__ [09:46] ok, i spuriously called the ops in #kubuntu, when he didnt get anyone answering [09:46] s/i/he [09:46] as Flannel suggested [09:46] which means goodchristels attempted mental explanation of them being just overentusiastic and new to irc wont work ;) [09:46] hello |_ocke [09:47] christel, sounds like someone who has imbibed a little more than they should have, to be honest [09:47] yeah [09:47] either way, pestilence is not really a welcomed thing in busy channels [09:48] * Myrtti coughs [09:48] yeah, im just trying to work out whether its worth attempting to speak with them or not [09:48] (im only 2 sips into my morning coffee, so i hope for their sake that its not!) [09:48] keep the faith [09:49] christel, give them the night off, if they come back idiotic, talk then [09:50] the -offtopic behaviour makes me think talk will do little [09:55] !idle | |_ocke chalcedony [09:55] |_ocke chalcedony: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [09:56] bazhang_: chalcedony been idle for days [09:56] ikonia, ah I see; any reason he is here? [09:57] I don't know him, Myrtti was asking about him yesterday [09:57] k [09:57] is |_ocke muted? [09:57] he's active in #ubuntu [09:57] I'm not that fluent with chanserv.py yet [09:57] no, here [09:59] nothing in bt [10:00] he is muted [10:00] with his ip [10:02] Myrtti: I don't see him getting muted in here in my log [10:02] <|_ocke> thanks [10:02] ikonia: /bans [10:02] it's an old ban [10:02] <|_ocke> i got banned like a month and a half ago [10:02] <|_ocke> i was drunk and talking about some stupid chick [10:03] s/some stupid chick/center of your universe/ [10:05] <|_ocke> nonono s/center of my universe/center of my best friend's universe and someone i dont care about in the slightest anymore [10:05] <|_ocke> its complicated and very weird, and very much over heh [10:06] si, if we let you back in #ubuntu-offtopic, will you be ranting about how the "chick" dumped you for your best friend? [10:07] <|_ocke> no [10:07] <|_ocke> i dont talk about her anymore :P [10:07] <|_ocke> i did buy her lunch yesterday i guess.. but other than that, she can piss off [10:08] <|_ocke> besides, shes going to rehab next week [10:08] <|_ocke> cause shes a stupid little girl with no self control heh [10:08] |_ocke: easy on the language please. [10:09] |_ocke: show you can use self control [10:09] intresting [10:09] <|_ocke> er, i mean she can ... nevermind just anyways no worries about that [10:10] I miss irssi and my aliases [10:11] <|_ocke> i never could get the hang of irssi [10:11] <|_ocke> which is why i run xchat2 [10:11] <|_ocke> i do miss some of the functionality of mIRC, but i would never run a native win app in my linux [10:11] <|_ocke> i refuse to taint my standard set of apps [10:12] <|_ocke> i'll play some random win games with WINE but never something i use regularly [10:12] <|_ocke> hence, i use transmission instead of utorrent [10:12] !idle [10:12] Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [10:14] <|_ocke> even though i know utorrent is better :P [10:14] |_ocke, please dont idle here [10:15] <|_ocke> i'll leave as soon as someone lets me back in #ubuntu-offtopic.. === myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [10:15] |_ocke, that is not the way it works [10:17] <|_ocke> bazhang_, but i was supposed to be banned for a month, i didn't come back till now, and its been at least a month an a half maybe 2 or 3 i dunno, i just put it out of my m ind for awhile [10:17] <|_ocke> why can't i get unbanned? [10:17] |_ocke, that is independent of idling here [10:17] <|_ocke> i didn't protest or try to fight it, i waited till long after.. i just want to get back in the channel [10:17] * Myrtti coughs [10:17] the way I see this is. [10:18] <|_ocke> i really am part of the ubuntu community, i run it exclusively, i've converted at least a dozen people from win to ubuntu who still use it (a couple hundred more that i dont know the current status of) and I really love ubuntu, i just want to be part of it [10:19] <|_ocke> i just dont see why i should still be banned when its long after the ban was supposed to be removed and the reason for the ban doesn't even exist anymore [10:20] I *might* let you in the channel, but there seems to be a problem with your compulsiveness [10:20] <|_ocke> also, i've helped at least 3-4 people in #ubuntu resolve their problems and had them tell me in /msg that what I told them fixed what they were having problems with [10:20] *if* I let you back in, you have to realise you're still on probation [10:20] <|_ocke> yes i realize that [10:21] <|_ocke> i won't say anything really stupid or talk about anything that doesn't involve myself personally or computers/linux [10:21] |_ocke, you have also been offtopic in #ubuntu of late [10:22] goddamnit I spilt coffee on my bed [10:22] <|_ocke> bazhang_, honestly i would've been talking in #ubuntu-offtopic but i was banned :P [10:22] |_ocke, that is not an acceptable reason to be offtopic in #ubuntu [10:22] <|_ocke> bazhang_, it was just responding to other people though you gotta admit that [10:23] <|_ocke> i dont want to be offtopic in #ubuntu [10:23] then dont [10:23] <|_ocke> i want to be offtopic in #ubuntu-offtopic [10:23] |_ocke, you were not responding; you started out by being offtopic [10:24] <|_ocke> if you guys unban me i promise i wont say anything irresponsible in offtopic and i wont say anything that isn't just asking an ubuntu-related question or helping with an ubuntu quesion someone else has in #ubuntu [10:24] <|_ocke> if i do anything contrary, i submit to being permanently banned [10:25] <|_ocke> and if i get to a point where i'm so intoxicated that i can't control myself at any point ever i'll disconnect this entire network for the remainder of the night [10:25] <|_ocke> not saying thats a probability, just saying if it happens [10:25] not very re-assuring [10:31] <|_ocke> i'm just trying to cover all bases [10:31] <|_ocke> i have a lot of other stuff to do if i'm out partying, i just wanted to say that if i end up at home afterwards i wont bring it here [10:32] <|_ocke> it'd be messed up to lie and say i don't get loaded sometimes [10:33] ok... [10:33] so [10:33] <|_ocke> but when i'm on irc, i'm on irc, and its not gonna be for anything except computer related stuff, and just to chat, but i am in at least 15 other chans t the same time for that [10:33] <|_ocke> #ubuntu* is for ubuntu related stufff and i'll use it for that only [10:33] <|_ocke> well, except #ubuntu-offtopic, but thats still even somewhat tied to ubuntu [10:33] |_ocke, i advise you to not ramble away this opportunity to re-enter the channel. it [10:34] I've lifted the ban from -offtopic. It'll go back in a heartbeat if I hear anyone complaining. [10:34] Myrtti: <3 [10:34] <|_ocke> Myrtti, thank you [10:34] and I'm already hearing complaints on this channel, which isn't reassuring [10:34] so, behave [10:34] <|_ocke> i will === |_ocke is now known as locke [10:36] hmmm [10:36] I've bought a book so old it doesn't have ISBN [10:36] locke: anything else? [10:36] Myrtti, whaa? whered you get that? [10:36] what book is it? [10:36] Myrtti, other than that, no not really [10:37] i thought all books had isbn since like the 1700s or something [10:37] Myrtti: is it hand printed? [10:37] see you in -offtopic then [10:38] Myrtti: you will keep a phone hearby today? [10:38] nearby even [10:38] Tm_T: sure [10:39] roger, I might call you or something, depends on stuff & co [10:39] ok [10:39] but now another place, see you later dear sister [10:39] oh, my phone is face down [10:39] good, no one has called [10:39] locke: *cough* [10:40] locke: if you don't have anything else... [10:40] er [10:40] yeah [10:40] sorry i forgot [10:40] later [10:40] tata [10:58] he's um, still not quite off the red cordial yet. [11:09] hullo [11:09] hi :) [11:09] can I get confirmation from a GC that glade88 can have an ubuntu cloak? [11:09] says it got stomped on by his donator cloak, I'm about to combine them if I get the confirmation [11:10] sec [11:11] denny, can he provide us with his launchpad login? [11:11] i mean, the launchpad username [11:14] sayakb [11:14] ut-oh - AM report ;) [11:15] denny, seems to be eligible. [11:15] thanks [11:16] * denny wavicles and gets back to work [11:33] heads up on r0ach; been removed once for bad language/offtopic [12:17] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [12:17] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [12:18] hrm... in #u: [14:17:32] DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 [12:18] tsk [12:19] jussi01, um, not wise to repeat those lines [12:19] elkbuntu: oops. [12:47] In #ubuntu+1, danbh_intrepid said: !ooo3 is Information about OpenOffice 3.0 on Intrepid can be found here https://launchpad.net/bugs/267376 [12:57] !scope > danbh_intrepid [12:58] @btlogin [13:06] * Myrtti lols at Linus [13:08] ? [13:16] ikonia: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/candyland.html [13:24] hahaha [13:24] hello genii [13:29] * Myrtti drools at thinking of licorice ice cream [13:29] mmmmmmmmmmMMMHHHHRRR [13:29] ughh [13:29] nom [13:29] nomnom [13:30] scott__ and sam_ appear to be the same person [13:30] in #ubuntu [13:30] or 2 people in different locations connect from the same DSL line ??? === genii-2 is now known as genii [13:38] Hi jussi01 [13:45] In ubottu, ziroday said: !xmms is xmms is no longer being developed, see http://bugs.debian.org/461309 for more details. Consider using audacious, bmpx, or xmms2 instead. [14:11] can someone with -ot ops ban forward eagles0513875 to ##fix-your-connection pelase [14:11] sure thing [14:11] ta [14:12] slick [14:12] gratzie mille [14:12] no T :) [14:12] ah [14:12] an italian Z sounds like "ts" all by itself [14:13] cool [14:13] I should go back to learning Italian [14:13] actually i always found that pretty interesting [14:13] or mastering english first [14:13] in the sense that, as far as i could see, most italians don't in the least realize that the Z is really two phonemes [14:13] myself, i've played a lot with the AmigaOS speech synthesizer when i was a child, and attempted to make it speak italian [14:14] it took me months to realize that "ts" was the thing to make it say for the "z" letter [14:25] you geeky thing you [14:31] Myrtti: I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself :P [14:33] heh [14:38] !lt is Šiame kanale bendraujama anglų kalba. Jei ieškote pagalbos lietuvių kalba, prisijunkite prie #ubuntu-lt kanalo. [14:38] I'll remember that, LjL [14:38] !lithuanian is lt [14:41] LjL: I wonder how microsoft's speech system would work with that as it is supposed to cover languages [14:42] ikonia: Microsoft's speech uses sampled speech fragments from actual humans, it needs a database for every language it supports [14:43] same as with Festival [14:46] LjL so does that mean there is an Italias database for it that would say tz = z [14:46] Italian even [14:47] ikonia: not quite. there are two databases for each language. one is the actual speech fragments database, which basically has a soundfile for each sound (not really, it's got one for every group of three phones, but anyway) [14:48] ikonia: then there is a set of rules that tries (and, in italian, generally succeeds, since there's a strong correspondence between writing system and actual phonemes) to translate written sentences into a list of those sounds [14:49] ikonia: so, most likely, the italian database would already include a recorded soundfile for our "z" sound, not separate "t" and "s" sounds (since they're never used separately anyway) [14:52] ikonia: when using a synth that generates sounds purely artificially (like AmigaOS's), then you'd still have two layers even there. the sound layer has a collection of phones and their corresponding speech generation parameters (these synths have parameters for mouth aperture, tongue position, etc) [14:52] the other database would be the very same writing-system-to-phones translation one [14:53] I see what your saying [14:53] I didn't know it worked like that [14:53] ikonia: you can't just use the same sounds database for all languages. a "t" in english really doesn't sound like a "t" in italian in most situations (it's aspirate in english, and the tongue is further back than in italian) [14:54] ikonia: if you used an english phones database together with an italian writing-to-phones translation database (basically what i did on AmigaOS), you'd end up with a voice that speaks Italian with a very strong English accent, and vice-versa [14:54] no of courrse not, I can see how that needs to be seperated [14:54] I can hear that in my head [14:54] though you'd also have the problem of some phonemes simply not existing [14:55] there is no "th" or "h" sound in italian, and there is no "gn" or "gl" sound in english [14:55] there is no th [14:55] how odd [14:56] ikonia: most not-very-english-savvy italians would pronounce "th" as "s", "z", "f" or "v" [14:56] LjL can you give me a "word" example of that [14:56] ikonia: "zey are", "vey are", or "everyfing", "everysing" [14:56] ok [14:57] few of them make sense when I hear a few italian friend speaking english [14:57] ikonia: unless you're an italian with a lisp, in which case ;) [14:57] all bets are off [14:58] I guess that relates to how most Finns have difficulties pronouncing olympics [14:58] well, in Finnish [14:58] ikonia: although in italy (which lisp is present) the most common speech defect by far is not rolling R [14:58] although there are many ways different people with that defect will render their R [14:58] Myrtti: I love the finnish "system" :P [14:58] Myrtti: why so? [14:58] how odd (to me) that not rolling an R is a defect [14:59] LjL: it's against the finnish phonemes to have o, a or u in the same word with ö, ä or y [15:00] ikonia: there is a somewhat similar though less common defect in english... "i am woger wabbit" [15:00] so Olympialaiset is often mangled into Olumpialaiset [15:00] Myrtti: ah right, i read something like that on wp [15:00] Myrtti: yes, that brings me to another point -- [15:00] which is that generally speaking, an italian *can* pronounce "th" or "h" if they're explained [15:01] but they'll have difficulty actually placing those sounds in a sentence consistently [15:01] LjL I know the W defect [15:01] i'm giving english lessons to a girl for instance now [15:01] she can pronounce "h" fine, if alone [15:01] but she'll either say "i ave" or "hi have", not "i have" [15:02] i've given up on the "th" entirely [15:02] "I ave" you could get by with as Cockney or so ;) [15:03] genii: yeah most of the typical italian oddities when pronouncing english are found in a dialect or another. it's the mixture of them that makes you have an unmistakably italian accent. [15:03] Interesting [15:03] that girl also does the "it'sa got" thing, that really gives me the chills. itsa me mario, meh. [15:05] mind, my own english pronounciation is quite terrible, but. [15:06] LjL: My cousin was born deaf, he learnt to speak through a system which Alexander Graham Bell invented of diagramming the mouth/tongue/throat positions as they related to specific sounds [15:06] LjL: He is quite understandable now [15:07] genii: not much different from what generation-based speech synthesizer do. there are a couple interesting ones even packaged in ubuntu, i think (interesting in the sense that they also come with GUI tools that actually show you the tongue etc. positions that they are simulating) [15:08] LjL: I was about to ask about your accent [15:08] you type and your gramma is excellent, I was curious to how your wording was [15:08] genii: that sounds unusual and quite an interesting topic to research [15:08] ikonia: well, you can check that out. -ot people already did, and found it hilarious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel [15:09] just go to wherever the "spoken version of this article" tag is [15:09] or Consonant, too [15:09] actually even that venerable AmigaOS synth could output mouth parameters, although i think it only gave mouth aperture (so you could draw a mouth that would move with the speech), not other parameters [15:10] LjL is the spoken version you / [15:10] ? [15:10] yeah [15:10] oh, excellent, I'll grab it now [15:10] ikonia: and mind, which it's bad enough, i never could have actually recorded it like that. it's a collection of several pieces of sentences, some repeated *several* times until they came out decent [15:10] ikonia: It's a system called Visible Speech which Bell and his father worked on [15:11] i've also made the Spanish version, http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal [15:11] that really sounds much better than the english version [15:11] even though i've never studied any spanish [15:11] genii researching [15:11] LjL: just looking for headphones as I'm sure the office doesn't want to hear you [15:11] that's for sure [15:12] awww [15:13] sounds so... young! [15:53] *sigh* [15:57] my patience is again running short on hynix/ASUS-tek [15:58] I thought he was banned [15:59] that would be too good [16:00] I thought he got banned ages ago [16:00] he was banned for a while [16:01] was given a preach about derogative use of the word chicks [16:01] *sigh* [16:01] also about his nickchanging [16:01] no [16:01] I will not get myself angry again [16:02] * genii hands Myrtti a soothing tea [16:02] I see no value in allowing people like him to contibute, as it's clear they just want a rise, nothign more, so why persist with the posturing of "allowing them to change" [16:03] the problem is that stupidity isn't strictly forbidden in the rules [16:03] it's not stupidity [16:03] it's causing offense and not being able to particiapte in a channel with other people [16:07] anyone know the indonisian loco channe l? [16:08] ikonia: #ubuntu-id [16:08] thank you [16:09] not that there is anyone in there [16:09]