=== echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [00:11] Riddell: I haz bad connection, but I do need to give you a diff for adept that updates the version number in the about data [00:15] jtechidna: ok [00:16] rgreening: yes it got in [00:16] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/58581/ [00:16] a|wen: I didn't do anything to kdeartwork [00:17] Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee! python plasma [00:17] Riddell: okay ... i suppose you and ScottK will agree on whether "demote and copy" is the solution [00:18] I don't think it can be demoted in a released version [00:18] jtechidna: uploaded [00:19] rgreening: as a package in kubuntu? [00:19] yeah, python-plasma [00:20] thanks [00:20] part of kdebase-workspace. [00:20] np.. I wanted it for myself. [00:20] so, now to try and write some stuff in it... [00:20] i see examples :) [00:21] don't coun't on the example working correctly. THe backport of the examples may not be 100% working. [00:22] I got the pytime plasma data engine to run, but not the clock itself [00:22] ok [00:22] I have to look at that some more. I know the library itself works, but I suspect some of the features in the examples only exist in 4.2 [00:22] ScottK: kdvi accepted [00:22] Riddell: okay ... that pretty much limits the options to do nothing [00:22] have fun. [00:22] that would make sense [00:22] * Riddell snoozes [00:23] rgreening: why did you backport the examples then? :P [00:23] that is only causing bug reports [00:23] I tell you [00:23] BUG REPORTS [00:23] lol [00:23] apachelogger: lol... send them my way [00:23] * apachelogger doesn't feel like reading them [00:23] besides [00:24] I'll deal with them and hopefully get some better examples in there. [00:24] rgreening: just drop it [00:24] bad enough that the code comes from trunk and got no proper QA yet :S [00:24] Actually, it could just be my system. Perhaps someone else could test [00:25] * apachelogger offers babpipes for a test [00:25] *bagpipes even [00:26] supertones, can you install the python-plasma-examples package and try running the python clock ? [00:26] sure gimme a sec [00:26] where are these located? [00:27] after installed, you should just be able ot add widget [00:27] hm [00:27] you may need to restart plasma or re-login [00:27] ahh [00:27] I think I am going to backport 4.1.3-svn to 4.1.2 :P [00:28] apachelogger: lol [00:28] though [00:28] no, bad idea [00:28] I think I am going to backport 4.9.4 to 4.1.2 :P [00:28] that way I can take care of all reports some user might want to create [00:29] means at least half a year no bug triage [00:29] someone took a drink from the sarcasm pool [00:29] :) [00:29] that's the bagpipey music [00:29] hehe [00:29] then again, backports really have no point anyway [00:30] distribution work itself has no point [00:30] lol... time to change the music to something upbeat.. quick [00:30] hippie music! [00:31] hm, that reminds me [00:33] ~np [00:33] apachelogger is listening to "Captain Hampton and the Midget Pirates!" by The Aquabats [The Fury of the Aquabats, 1997] [00:33] \o/ [00:33] still, we need some alternative work ... like becoming the developer team which gets fastest drunk or something [00:35] i might just be an epic failure but i can't find python-plasma anymore and trying to upgrade kdebase-workspace-data wants to remove a lot of good kde packages esp all my extra plasmoids [00:35] stupid plasmoids [00:36] thank god apt held kdebase-workspace-data back [00:39] stupid apt [00:39] hm [00:39] apparently I am grumpy [00:39] * apachelogger goes fixx0ring his explodered systemsettings [00:43] lol. possibly the archive is not fully synced yet [00:43] apachelogger: cheer up now dammit! heheh [00:44] hang on [00:44] ~np [00:44] apachelogger is listening to "Super Orgy Porno Party" by The Planet Smashers [Life of the Party, 1999] [00:44] * apachelogger runs [00:45] * supertones wonders how #kubuntu-kde4 became #kubuntu-devel [00:47] inter-channel exchange program, makes irc live a tick more fun [00:48] * a|wen wonders if it is a bad sign if he stille experiences bug 254476 with version 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu3 of the package [00:48] Launchpad bug 254476 in guidance-power-manager "python2.5 crashed with AttributeError in checkBatteryCritical()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254476 [00:49] ~join #kubuntu-kde4 === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [00:51] I'm sure I've seen that almost the same backtrace when fixing kde-guidance bugs for hardy ... Riddell: is there time to get this fixed; or is it to late? ^^^ [01:19] it is no fun playing with intrepid packages on hardy :( ... what to do when debuild fails due to a missing /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk ; can you force it to just build the package without trying to mess with running things from debian/rules ? [01:20] a|wen: you need a debian/cdbs folder from hardy [01:20] and a debian/rules file that includes the proper cdbs [01:22] JontheEchidna: i'm just trying to create a debdiff to a package in intrepid ... but the problem is that i'm on a hardy machine (but shouldn't mess with things inside the package due to this i suppose) [01:36] Riddell or ScottK: couldn't create a debdiff (debuild failing as i'm on hardy), but here is a manual diff http://awen.dk/packages/guidance-power-manager_4:4.1.2-0ubuntu4.manualdiff ... it really fixes bug 254476 (it's a port of kubuntu_34_kde-powermanager_no_lid_special_behaviour_disable.patch in kde-guidance, also see the changelog entry in the manualdiff) [01:36] Launchpad bug 254476 in guidance-power-manager "python2.5 crashed with AttributeError in checkBatteryCritical()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254476 [01:43] ScottK: looks like your patch added to g-p-m yesterday fixes some of the duplicate bugs instead, eg. 282527 [02:57] JontheEchidna: THe problem in the example is the dataEngine. I commented it out and it no longer cores out. So, I'll have it soon :0 [02:57] hehe [02:58] nice [03:12] a|wen: Looks sane. Are you saying I didn't fix the bug I said I fixed? [03:22] Riddell: I know when there was a bug in -backports and some stuff needed to be moved from Main to Universe in backports and (I think it was slangasek) it was moved. Maybe you can Main -> Universe in backports and then copy to -updates. === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [03:29] a|wen: Sure enough I see what you mean. [03:49] a|wen: Guidance uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [04:03] G'nite, be back wednesday. [04:06] ScottK, What about copying what in backports? [04:06] * NCommander knows things about this subject [04:14] NCommander: Riddell pocket copied KDE 3.5.10 into hardy-updates today. The problem is kdeartwork picked up a new dependency and its' in Universe. [04:14] So it's either leave the new kdeartwork in backports or figure some way to get the into Universe in -updates. [04:16] a|wen: Guidance is accepted. [04:37] ScottK, you can change the promotion level of a package in a pocket [04:37] ScottK, we confirmed that works on dogfood [04:38] ScottK, just promote updates and backports [04:38] We need to demote, not promote. [04:42] Wait, demote? [04:42] That also works [04:42] But you might break things if anything in main depends [05:44] Hi. Fyi, I've been able to restore UI of TaskJuggler (Bug #284629), using the Fedora patch. I've just suscribed Sponsors for universe [05:44] Launchpad bug 284629 in taskjuggler "[Intrepid] Support for kde dropped from Taskjuggler" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/284629 === hunger_t is now known as hunger [10:42] python clock does not work for me either might be a good idea to remove python-plasma-examples [10:45] supert0nes: poke rgreening about that when he appears [10:56] sounds good [11:02] Riddell: \o/ Yay [11:04] Riddell: Not so sure about the bid DRAFT as a watermark in the khelpcenter ;) [11:05] davmor2: you think that makes it look unfinished? [11:06] nixternal: how do we get rid of that? [11:06] Riddell: It looks a little less polished that maybe it could ;) [11:07] Riddell: same on Kubuntu System Doc [11:08] morning everyone [11:08] the longer titles cut through the KDE logo too [11:09] like KDE The Application Development Framework [11:11] ScottK: sorry for questioning your g-p-m fix :) ... couldn't help fixing it, as i in some way already had the patch [11:11] Riddell: Akregator is missing docs [11:11] Kmail ditto [11:12] Konversation ditto [11:12] Ktorrent ditto [11:13] amarok and k3b ditto [11:13] kaddressbook kontact and korganiser too [11:14] kde 3 apps will be missing them [11:14] I guess that's a problem with kdepim then [11:14] sound [11:15] keyboard layout [11:15] solid [11:15] mouse [11:16] window behaviour [11:16] desktop eefects [11:16] s/eefects/effects [11:17] most of the rest seems okay [11:19] Riddell: do you want me to add a bug for it? [11:19] davmor2: I think there's alreaady "no KDE 3 docs bug" on khelpcenter but add one if there isn't [11:20] and add one with your list of missing docs indeed [11:20] some of them aren't kde3 [11:21] right, so make a new bug to list those [11:21] or a bug for "no kdepim docs" and one for the system settings docs [11:22] Riddell: How about a generic missing docs from khelpcenter and the list [11:22] davmor2: go for it [11:22] np's [11:22] also I'm getting the incomplete Language Support again :( [11:23] davmor2: but this time it should do something if you run it [11:24] Riddell: Yeap starts up language installer and English is greyed out :) [11:25] hitting install window closes and no more lightbulb :) [11:30] davmor2: hmm, no initial dialogue to install the missing bits for you? [11:32] Riddell: Yes it opens Language Installer. Then I hit install on Language Installer because English is greyed out so it just closes the window. So no idea what it did if anything. [11:33] davmor2: nothing, it would be obvious if it did something [11:33] davmor2: do you have language-pack-gnome-en-base installed? [11:34] apachelogger: your skepticism loses, we are clean of libs gtk gnome and bonobo and 7 MB more space on the CDs http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.intrepid/desktop [11:34] cool :) [11:37] bah rsibreak is still buggy :( [11:37] Riddell: nope [11:40] Riddell: do you want the bug tagging to khelpcenter or to kubuntu docs? [11:40] davmor2: khelpcenter [11:40] np@s [11:48] Riddell: should Konqueror still include all the file management info? [11:49] davmor2: how do you mean? [11:49] it's able to browse files if you put a path in the address bar [11:51] Riddell: Dolphin handles file management now so should you include all the file management section in Konqueror still [11:51] davmor2: what do you mean by file management section? [11:51] we still want konqueror to do file management, lots of people still use it for that [11:52] Riddell: right that's okay then It just threw me seeing it there that was all :) [11:59] Riddell: talking about that, we should consider adding something in the component chooser to help people switching easilly between dolphin and konqueror [11:59] Riddell: changing inode-directory mimetype preferences sounds a bit funky imho :) [11:59] Tonio_: yep [11:59] Riddell: maybe we can just add that to the uds pipe, no ? [12:00] Tonio_: want to start a wiki page with UDS topics ? [12:00] Riddell: this WE, for sure :) [12:00] Riddell: as said, I have lots of ideas for the UDS :) [12:00] KubuntuUDSJaunty or something [12:00] yep, will do that this WE [12:00] probably tomorrow [12:01] atm, I'm just backporting vlc 0.9 to hardy.... hard job [12:01] Riddell: also, would you be interested in a kubufox package ? [12:02] Riddell: I'm currently testing a few settings for firefox/kde integration and I think there is something to be done there [12:02] Riddell: lots of our users install firefox, and honnestly, firefox is just UGLY on kubuntu... [12:03] we also miss the apt:/ protocol... [12:03] can't wait to start jaunty to be honnest :) [12:04] Tonio_: I'd like to see up to date debs of all the dev-stuff I need (git, cmake, svn). Ubuntu seems to not update those regularly:-( === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [12:06] * JontheEchidna is up before he leaves [12:07] apachelogger: hope you can handle all the bugs without me :P [12:12] apachelogger: I counter your Konsole Kolor skeme with this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=70575&file1=70575-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Tango+Konsole [12:12] :P [12:12] (yours it better, but this should hit the weak point for massive damage!) [12:15] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/284915 [12:15] Launchpad bug 284915 in kdebase "Intrepid: Kubuntu Khelpcenter missing docs list" [Undecided,New] [12:16] be back wednesday! [12:16] btw, khelpcenter is kdebase-runtime iirc ;-) [12:16] all in categories [12:16] unless it's a per-app problem :P [12:17] JontheEchidna: clever LP changed it all by itself ;) [12:18] hunger: hum true that.... that probably explains within the server/client orientation [12:19] hunger: but that can be boring especially on the git side, since the software evolves very, very quickly [12:19] hunger: are there ubuntu stuff in it, or is that mostly standard debian sync ? [12:24] Tonio_: Mostly debian sync, but since debian is frozen at this time (IIRC) they have outdated stuff, too. [12:25] Currently I am grabbing the sources and package the stuff myself. [12:29] Tonio_: yes, we did have a FirefoxKDEIntegration spec at last UDS, it never happened though [12:36] a|wen: if you have patches to guidance-p-m do poke me too so I can put them in svn [12:41] Riddell: I'll do that ... i suppose you've already been grapped 03-no-lid-special-behaviour-disable.diff from the g-p-m source? [12:42] about to [12:42] hunger: testing is frozen ... but as we sync from unstable that shouldn't have an effect (unstable is never frozen IIRC) === akonadi is now known as nihui [12:44] Riddell: what about the "DRAFT" watermark on the About Kubuntu section in khelpcenter ... is that supposed to still be there at this point? [13:03] a|wen: no, I should look into how to get rid of that [13:04] a|wen: Nothing to be sorry for. I'm very glad you noticed and took care of it. [13:05] Riddell: cool ... just wanted to be sure it was on a todo somewhere [13:05] Riddell: Do I need to mention my gpm patches too or did you get those already? [13:06] ScottK: I think I got them, will check [13:07] Riddell: Did you see the discussion that NCommander and I had last night about promotion/demotion? I think it's better to have kdeartwork in Universe -updates than Main -backports, but perhaps more trouble than it's worth. [13:10] ScottK: no, but I don't think we can demote something in a released version [13:20] Riddell, you can demote within a pocket [13:21] Riddell, I was able to test this with some assistance on dogfood [13:22] intrepid is due out real soon. Im very worried that my bug (279409) won't be fixed in time, and I think it is rather important. is this still a known issue with knetworkmanager ? (static/fixed ips not working) [13:24] seaLne: what doesn't work about rsibreak? [13:24] NCommander: hrm, I'd still be scared to [13:25] Riddell, we actually tried it [13:25] Riddell, we didn't break the world [13:25] Riddell: it dosen't stop you after the right amount of activity, the locking of screen never goes away and less importantly only blocks one head [13:28] exobuzz: I can confirm the problem [13:28] but there's no real NM experience in kubuntu I'm afraid to fix it [13:28] oh :( [13:29] wasn't will stephenson working on knm? [13:29] perhaps just better to perhaps remove it from the gui temporarily, and tell people to use network/interfaces for fixed ips ? (if it can't be fixed for release) [13:29] seaLne: no, he does the plasmoid, different person does kde 3 knetworkmanager and he's mostly busy [13:30] ah [13:32] seaLne: looking at planetkde today toma says rsibreak is in maintainance until a developer comes along [13:32] yeah thats what made me notice the beta4 === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [14:23] ScottK: do we want kmobiletools in main? I'd have thought universe since upstream dropped it [14:23] Riddell: No, we want it demoted. [14:24] I thought we'd done that already ... [14:24] down it goes [14:25] Anyone hear any screaming since 3.5.10 got into hardy-updates? [14:25] ScottK: hmm not me [14:25] Riddell: I think 3.5.10 in the main repo merits an announcement on kubuntu.org. [14:25] ScottK: but also there were some real nice improvements to Kicker right after that release so... (:) [14:26] ScottK: I agree, want to do that or shall I? [14:26] Riddell: I've got $WORK I'm supposed to be doing right now, so I'd appreciate it if you would do it. [14:26] ScottK: stop skiving! :) [14:26] Tm_T: Well we have a process now, so if 3.5.11 comes out we'll know what to do. [14:32] Tm_T: i think we've got the most important kicker fixes from post 3.5.10 included as patches in our packages [14:42] a|wen: sounds good then (:) [14:48] Riddell: you need to go through the .xml markup and change the status to 'final' [14:49] nixternal: I committed a change, which seemed to work === Tonio___ is now known as Tonio_ [15:15] Riddell: bug 284985 - what to do? remove kaffeine and change Amarok to "Amarok 2 (amarok-kde4)" or remove both, considering we don't have amarok-kde4 in the repos anyway [15:15] Launchpad bug 284985 in kopete "Kopete-Plugin: "Now Listening" not working with Amarok" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/284985 [15:16] apachelogger: it doesn't work with amarok 1? [15:16] no [15:17] apachelogger: You don't mean remove kaffeine from the archive do you? [15:17] only supports dbus [15:17] ScottK: no, from the dialog ;-) [15:17] apachelogger: doesn't seem a very useful plugin for us then unfortunately [15:17] OK. [15:17] * ScottK relaxes [15:17] Riddell: well, there is still juk ;-) [15:18] * apachelogger would just remove Kaffeine and change Amarok to Amarok 2 [15:18] that way the bug is fixed and users who use Amarok 2 can still use the plugin [15:20] apachelogger: go for it [15:20] ok [15:33] Riddell: uploaded [15:34] apachelogger: I will be at the meeting today...like in 3.5 hours right? [15:34] I am working from home today [15:35] +1 630 445 3860 [15:35] apachelogger: accepted [15:35] apachelogger: ^^ now you have it :P [15:39] nixternal: it's in 3:20 from now, so yes [15:40] nixternal: hehe, thx :P [15:45] nixternal: are you planning any sort of announcement? I mind you came up with one at the last minute last time [15:45] release announcement I mean [15:45] how much time do I have? [15:46] hehe [15:46] nixternal: that is another way of putting the question [15:46] lol [15:46] ok, when is release? [15:46] nixternal: until the 29th [15:46] oh [15:46] release is 30th [15:46] ya, I can do that again [15:46] I thought you needed it like right now [15:46] no, we're not releasing quite yet fortunately [15:47] because right now, I am heading to Starbucks for a pumpkin spice latte [15:47] ;) [15:47] pumpkin isn't a spice [15:47] but they make it into one :) [15:47] amazing what starbucks can do [15:47] oh it is so good [15:47] hahahaha [15:48] and their pumpkin muffins...mmm mmm good [15:48] * nixternal goes before he forgets [16:45] http://s2.ar.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=19732 [16:45] * mornfall peers at nixternal, possessing a doubtful expression [16:45] Just had the case to use the 'recently plugged in devices' feature for the first time and it's really cool. [16:45] hmm, no staff members [16:52] * apachelogger notes that kubotu could take care of kicks ;-) [16:58] Riddell: bug 267182 we should remove digikam-kde4 [16:58] Launchpad bug 267182 in digikam-kde4 "Update to beta 3" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267182 [16:58] beta1 is way too old and way too buggy [16:59] apachelogger: ok [17:25] "https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to kde-systemsettings in ubuntu" huh? [17:25] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] [17:30] * a|wen thinks bug #1 is what you could call a very unofficial discussion board/wall ... [17:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Won't display info) [17:32] yeah, but why is it related to kde-systemsettings [17:32] Riddell: because someone once made it affect kde-systemsettings [17:32] and one can't make it unaffect [17:32] so we keep getting notifications [17:32] apachelogger: digikam-kde4 gone [17:32] thx [17:35] Riddell and apachelogger: You can probably get an LP dev to edit their database manually to get rid of that. [17:36] meeting in here today? [17:36] Network vanished from my Kubuntu Intrepid yesterday [17:36] I have used wireless network [17:37] I try to reinstaling today [17:39] yuriy: isn't #u-meeting free? [17:39] Riddell: fridge said something about arabic team IIRC [17:40] Riddell: email said #kubuntu-devel [17:41] #u-meeting it's only free for the first hour [17:41] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1665 [17:41] a|wen: the 2nd [17:41] we start at 18, they end at 19 [17:42] here it is then I guess [17:43] you're right ... /me can't do timezone calcs right now it seems [17:49] apachelogger: you're kdeartwork coordinator? [17:49] Riddell: no, I told ruphy to take that job ;-) [17:49] apachelogger: he seems to think you'd do it, or maybe it's a joke (on kde-release) [17:50] Oh? I thought Harald Sitter already volunteered me to be that. :P Anyways, on [17:50] kde-artists I got just a +1. [17:58] right, I misread [17:58] oh, ewww [17:58] Riddell: the icons from teh kubuntu doc in khelpcenter are stored in kubuntu-docs? [17:59] apachelogger: yes I think so [17:59] it's too late to oxygenise them [17:59] Riddell and apachelogger: We got a very nice reply on devel-discuss about kdvi, "This is a strong signal of the will to listen to user needs. I will be happy to keep on working on the new ubuntu - which is by far the most complete I've ever seen." [18:00] Riddell: oh noes :( [18:00] ScottK++ [18:00] Riddell: Looks like I missed an entry point for the HAL problem. I'll fix it this afternoon. See Bug #281918 for details. [18:00] Launchpad bug 281918 in guidance-power-manager "guidance-power-manager crashed with Exception in _initHAL()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281918 [18:03] hugs to ScottK [18:04] If someone could go through all the dupes and see if any have a different backtrace, that'd be really helpful .... [18:06] ScottK: that's a serious amount of duplicates ... i'll start going through them in a minute [18:09] * apachelogger notes that deleting 400k files at once is a pretty bad idea [18:17] ScottK: your lucky day today ... same backtrace all of them [18:18] ah! [18:18] omg [18:18] AH [18:18] I am so stupid! [18:18] * apachelogger smashes head against the wall [18:18] * a|wen graps apachelogger so he stops [18:19] I think I found the cause for our non-kde4 desktop file issues! [18:19] debian/patches/12_deprecate_applnk.diff [18:19] -#define APPLNK_INSTALL_DIR "${SHARE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/applnk" [18:19] +#define APPLNK_INSTALL_DIR "${SHARE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/applications" [18:19] I just straced kbuildsycoca4 [18:19] now guess what [18:19] it scanns all applnks, then scans all xdg paths [18:20] lol [18:20] and what we get is two entries for apps in usr/share/applications [18:20] \o/ [18:20] hooray for debian [18:20] omg [18:20] * apachelogger needs to testbuild without that patch [18:20] i really wish sound worked for me in intrepid for something other than the startup and shutdown sounds [18:20] apachelogger: we should add a TODO to update apps to use xdg paths. Perhaps we can add any to a list and path then as we get time... [18:21] s/path/patch [18:21] rgreening: we already did that, there are only a couple of apps which slipped through our net [18:21] KDE4 ends this completely [18:21] there is only a cmake module for the XDG path [18:22] apachelogger: ok. cool [18:22] which also makes that patch completely pointless [18:22] 38 minutes? [18:22] nixternal: exactly :) [18:22] I want to get some more starbucks :) [18:23] apachelogger: so, are you feeling better today :) [18:23] lol [18:23] rgreening: I did go to be at 4:30am :P [18:23] was fixing that kopenwithdialog bug all night long [18:24] lol.. I never slept. I was out of town. Mom had a heart mild attack, so I drove to the hospital... she's ok now though. [18:24] :| [18:24] it was a scare... [18:25] but it's all good now [18:25] apachelogger: anyway, I have to unpack ... but I'll be back for the meeting. [18:27] * apachelogger unpacks kde4libs :) === milian_ is now known as milian [18:39] a|wen: Thanks for looking. [18:41] apachelogger: If I tag a package as suggests, then it won't automatically get installed (rather then recommends which does seem to get pulled in)? correct? [18:41] rgreening: yes [18:41] rgreening: That's right. [18:41] ok. My blunder.. I mistakenly used a recommends... [18:42] a|wen: Any thoughts on how to trigger the Guidance bug? I can't seem to manage it. [18:48] ScottK: it is triggered as HAL is not running (or not avaible at that moment) as far as i can see ... one of the reporters talked about experiencing it just after suspend; don't know how hal/dbus handles this [18:50] a|wen: Right. The problem is I can't get past the fix I did do to give this one a chance to happen. [18:50] ScottK: it's triggered as the connection is lost; we are trying to reconnect, but this generates an exception that crashes [18:50] OK. [18:51] apachelogger: I'm updating kdebase-workspace for the python-plasma bit - 1) make the examples a suggest 2) commented out the code in the example that crashes plasma [18:51] rgreening++ [18:51] rgreening: make sure you catch all the crashy code [18:51] ScottK: are we sure it still happens ... couldn't find any very recent duplicates [18:52] a|wen: The thing is that error type was introduced in the same upload as my fix, so it has to still be there unless yours got it. [18:53] apachelogger: yeah. It's isolated to calling the dataEngine plasma bits. If I run it in plasmaviewer, it segfaults (which should not crash plasma when run from there but does). So I commented out the _init_ call to that section. [18:53] ok [18:54] ScottK: then it is there ... is it correctly seen that you try to catch this exception in the g-p-m.py file? [18:55] I do catch it, but not there. I can see where if you got to that point with no HAL it would die. I just can't get there. [18:56] I think I just replicated it. [18:56] ScottK: it's part of the 5 second poling ... find "def poll" in g-p-m.py [18:57] ScottK: 4 lines down you have self.powermanager.checkHAL() [18:57] Yes. That's where I need to fix it. [18:57] :) [18:57] ** Kubuntu meeting in a minute [18:57] or four [18:57] 3 [18:57] deal [18:58]