[00:01] afflux: aren't people great? [00:01] yes, very much so [00:02] i wonder why we stop random people using the importance field, yet allow them to use assigning. [00:02] and status... from time to time he sets bug 183685 to confirmed, although it's been fixed half a year ago and is a completely different thing [00:02] Launchpad bug 183685 in compiz-fusion-plugins-main "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183685 [00:03] he keeps posting completely off-topic and unrelated responses to existing bug reports too. [00:03] indeed [00:03] he also assigned a consolekit bug to james_w earlier [00:04] I wonder how often he mentioned, that I didn't respond to his emails in the last five(!!) days... [00:04] I've read that quite some times now [00:04] he is tiring, yes [00:04] in every response i see, he keeps referring to the 'aptoncd bug', and i've honestly got no idea what he's talking about [00:05] I have... [00:05] enlighten me ;) [00:05] well, you can try and mail him, saying that you really don't appreciate what he's doing [00:05] did that [00:06] was not successful [00:06] chrisccoulson: I think it was bug 267633 and related [00:06] Launchpad bug 267633 in aptoncd "aptoncd crashed with OSError in _execute_child() (dup-of: 272509)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267633 [00:06] Launchpad bug 272509 in aptoncd "APTonCD crashes" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272509 [00:06] afflux: talk to the LP guys, and get *them* to send mail? [00:06] kiko, etc, tend to manage pretty well [00:06] thanks afflux [00:07] might be a solution... bdmurray: opinions? [00:10] I could e-mail the person first. [00:12] good luck! [00:13] Thanks. ;) [00:15] Can somebody give me a good generic message to use when a bug is Incomplete and Inactive but all I want to do is throw something in there that says "Could you please verify if this bug still exists in 8.04 and in 8.10 and get back to us?" [00:16] MTecknology: there is one for that, I wonder where [00:18] mrooney: does the "Incomplete" in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks work? [00:18] not quite though.... [00:19] I wanna kinda say "ping - you still there?" [00:19] MTecknology: how about: Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. You reported this bug a while ago and there hasn't been any activity in it recently. We were wondering is this still an issue for you? Can you try with latest Ubuntu release? Thanks in advance. [00:19] ("Old untouched bugs" from wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses) [00:19] thanks :) [00:23] It's too bad we can't just make something that's very generic and append it to all Incomplete bugs that haven't had that appended yet... Then go through and look at the ones that had that already and clean them up. [00:23] afflux: yeah that's the one! [00:24] But I suppose that makes it harder to gain karma points :P [00:25] afflux apparently has plenty of karma points :P [00:25] oh, do I? [00:25] let me see ;) [00:26] I have 264. I expect a big boost on next update [00:26] MTecknology: pedro_, our bug master has 57097 ;) [00:27] Daniel Holbach 11957 points [00:28] i think he meant bdmurray [00:28] no, he "only" has 25k [00:30] I wanna get over 5k [00:30] that would make me happy [00:33] That's not what I'm doing it for, but it's a nice side effect [00:34] true ;) [01:12] World, where should I report kernel bugs? [01:13] linux [01:14] PMT: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug is the direct link [01:19] nellery - I've done that, but I've gotten little activity on the bug, and as the release is pending and 2.6.27 is released, it doesn't seem promising. [01:19] So I was wondering if I'd done it wrong, or missed something. [01:26] PMT: be sure to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies to see if there is anything else you can do. [01:27] PMT: how did the investigation go yesterday anwyas? I missed the end. [01:28] greg-g - there's a patch, it's running on my laptop, and it works. :) [01:28] Courtesy james_w. [01:28] It's currently waiting for someone to upload an NMU with it. [01:28] sweet! [01:28] I...think? [01:28] So, thanks a ton, greg-g. :) [01:29] heh, I just pointed you to people who knew more, no problem! :) [01:29] The caveat with my kernel bug is that it's not a regression - it's in ath5k, a new driver in the intrepid kernel. :D [01:29] and thank you for helping out with it [01:30] PMT: NMU doesn't apply in Ubuntu [01:30] What do I mean, then, james_w? [01:31] just an upload [01:31] Fair enough. :) [01:31] there aren't really maintainers in Ubuntu, so "Non-maintainer upload" doesn't really make sense [01:31] everyone who can upload is a maintainer ;) [01:31] Fair enough. [01:31] you are right that it is waiting for an upload though [01:31] ted may roll it in to the pending changes he has for g-p-m, I'm not sure [01:32] What other pending changes? [01:33] * ogra hopes the fusa fixes will go in in time else ltsp will be to broken to be used [01:33] PMT: not sure what everything is [01:33] ogra: sounds serious [01:34] ogra - no worries, it's not an LTS, so people are far more willing to break things, from what I've seen of previous releases. :) [01:34] PMT, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs [01:34] They're marked critical, I really doubt they won't get forced in. [01:35] PMT, thats why i makred them critical ;) [01:36] you asked for the stuff still pending [01:36] thats the list our release team uses [01:36] I think PMT was referring to pending changes for g-p-m [01:36] ah [01:36] but, yeah, that is a useful list for sure [01:36] :) [01:38] Hm. [01:39] I'm going to guess this is a uvesafb bug,. [01:42] interesting [01:43] PMT: Feel free to fix that (longstanding) uvesafb bug, too! [01:44] RAOF - what bug do you think I'm referring to? [01:45] Ah, I see. [01:45] No, I'm looking at something more mundane - my laptop has about a 1 in 2 chance of giving "Getting VBE info block failed" and beeping really loudly from the PC speaker on cold boot. [01:45] Never happens on hot boot (that I've seen), and never recurs after a hot reboot. [01:46] I'm guessing this is either a v86d or uvesafb bug. [01:46] Ah, exciting. [01:46] That is the bug. [01:48] That is exactly (modulo the loud PC speaker) the bug I was thinking of :) [01:49] RAOF - other people in the bug report the PC speaker going off when this recurs. [01:50] Nifty. My laptop obviously doesn't beep on that condition. [01:51] It was rather annoying. [01:51] The straw which made a camel a paraplegic for me is that I'm in a library and turned my laptop on. [01:51] And experienced the bug. [01:52] lol [01:54] PMT: that is great phrasing [01:55] maco: PMT is a friend of a friend of mine, so they have to be good right? ;) [01:57] "hah" [01:58] hey, I was trying to give you a round about compliment [02:00] I appreciated it. :) [02:10] BTW, hi Maco! [02:10] I met you at HOPE. [02:10] I'm this Indian dude who recognized crimsun's nick from the old #debian-kde days of yore. [02:11] I work at CC, and I signed your key. [02:11] I can also vouch for paulproteus, which is ironic, considering he is probably more well known than I over all [02:11] There, that's everything I can think of to see if you remember me. [02:11] paulproteus - posting entertaining pictures of yourself in the channel seems like the peak of notoriety on IRC. [02:12] PMT: that just happened to me in some ubuntu specific community channels from this weekend [02:12] You did it, or others did? :) [02:12] I did one, but others also did, of some, how shall I say it, "interesting" photos [02:15] Time to wander. Talk to you folks about debugging later. :) [02:33] paulproteus: hi, i'm back [02:33] rehi! (-: [02:35] we were talking on IRC during joe's ipv6 talk, right? [02:35] That's right! === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [03:01] How exciting. [03:01] "ath5k gets into inconsistent state, does not go back into sane state until battery is physically removed from laptop." [03:08] Could someone please change bug 283491 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'? Triaged packaging request [03:08] Launchpad bug 283491 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] xmlcopyeditor" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283491 [03:13] bucket529, done~ [03:15] wow that was great timing.... :P [03:23] How do I submit a bug? It seems that my laptop keeps getting "ssh: segmentation fault" [03:24] Sorry, just read the link [03:24] s/link/topic === brian_ is now known as BrianFreytag === bdmurray_ is now known as bdmurray [04:25] ? [06:34] good morning [06:38] good morning dholbach [06:38] * greg-g goes to sleep [06:38] hiya greg-g [06:38] :) [06:38] sleep tight === brian_ is now known as BrianFreytag === bdmurray changed the topic of #ubuntu-bugs to: Next Hug Day is 16 Oct | Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ | Want to report a bug? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | User support (not related to triage) is in #ubuntu [08:24] so - how do I set the status of a bug? [08:24] MTecknology: which bug? [08:25] Burgundavia: right now bug 283602 should be Medium right? [08:25] Launchpad bug 283602 in openbox "Input not immediately detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283602 [08:25] since it only has a moderate impact on a core application [08:26] I don't see enough information to properly work out what is failing [08:26] it might be virtualbox, it might be openbox [08:26] or xterm [08:27] it's not vbox or xterm [08:27] Burgundavia: oops - wrong bug [08:27] bug 283554 [08:27] Launchpad bug 283554 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager disappears after a while" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283554 [08:27] that's the one I was referring to [08:29] MTecknology: let ted deal with it [08:29] he is clearly still getting information back from the user [08:29] Burgundavia: I am the user... [08:29] oh [08:30] well, let ted look at the log then [08:30] I've also been trying to help out with bugs too and I figure playing with mine it better than playing with others [08:30] Burgundavia: can I set an importance or not? [08:30] afaik, you need to be part of the ubuntu-qa project [08:31] it is pretty easy to become a member [08:31] you just need to show some bugs you have worked on [08:31] brian iforgethisname runs it [08:31] but seriously, I need to sleep [08:31] he is the same timezone as me, so try again in about 16 hours [08:32] anybody have any more usefull answer? [08:36] "medium" is not bug status, but bug importance - which isn't very important to set - it's more a tool of the maintainer to organise their workload [08:37] dholbach: did I refer to it as a status? [08:37] so - how do I set the status of a bug? [08:37] oops - I claim tired [08:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl explains how you get the power to set the importance [08:38] but as I said, it's not a big deal - getting all necessary info on the bug and setting the status is more important [08:39] does assigning an importance help karma any? or is it just for what you said and nothing else? [08:40] it's a tool for the maintainer and maybe the release management [08:40] although they make more use of milestones for coordination [08:41] I applied for membership at ubuntu-bugcontrol earlier [08:41] ah ok [08:41] and if it helps with karma... no idea [08:42] hopefully not :) [08:42] ya - same hope here [08:42] I just want to help out [08:42] great :) [08:43] I'm trying to earn ubuntu membership as well as irc op... but if I don't, at least I can feel like I've made a significant impact [08:44] dholbach: is that acceptable or the wrong way to go about it? [08:46] I'd like to be part of the motu as wall - but that's a long way off - I have much to learn before that [08:46] MTecknology: do what you like doing, enjoy it, get to know more people and once people repeatedly tell you "hey man, you're doing a great job" apply for membership :) [08:46] I know it's hand-wavy, but it's the best I can offer :) [08:48] dholbach: I've been around since 5.04. I've been helping since 7.04 iirc... I usually get involved in things that I bring to pm so what I do isn't seen very well [08:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MTecknology [08:48] I've been considering applying but I want to actually convince myself I fully deserve it first. [08:49] MTecknology: you can ask people you've worked with for a recommendation or something [08:49] dholbach: How long do they ask you questions when they decide? [08:50] as long as it takes to be certain :) [08:50] ok [08:50] so anywayre from 30sec to 20+min ? [08:50] right-o [08:51] last question - you have {daniel.holbach,dholbach}@{ubuntu,canonical}.com [08:51] yes [08:52] why do you have 4 emails? [08:52] well - more [08:52] it's just aliases [08:52] all go to one? [08:52] everybody at Canonical has the firstname.lastname@canonical.com [08:52] yes [08:52] then you can ask to get the other three? [08:53] sorry, just never saw that [08:53] canonical.com is only for Canonical staff, people who are employed by the company [08:54] oh [08:54] ubuntu members get ubuntu.com? [08:54] AFAIK you can get @ubuntu.com after joining ubuntumembers [08:55] oh - then as staff you can get all four? [08:55] yes, I think so [08:55] all 4 go back to one account? [08:56] yes [08:56] fun [08:56] at least in my case - not sure how others set their mail up [08:56] what's the canonical email system run on? [08:56] I don't filter based on To: ... [08:56] MTecknology: I don't know, I'm not part of the Sysadmin team [08:56] aight - no web access? [08:57] I don't think so [08:57] in the case of the ubuntu.com address it will be a mail alias too [08:57] How do you become an employee? [08:58] I imagine like any other company [08:58] http://ubuntu.com/employment/ [08:59] hrm - a nice link :P [08:59] It was interesting to find out the ubuntu site uses drupal [09:01] http://www.ubuntu.com/install/ [09:01] It was kinda nice to know I rely on the same system [09:01] but this is getting pretty offtopic [09:01] I'll take off [09:02] take it easy [09:02] Thanks very much - I always seem to learn a whole lot in here [09:02] :) [09:02] see you [09:02] hey - since I'm here and it's inactive [09:02] what do you do? [09:03] lol - 18k more karma and I catch up to you [09:05] dholbach: did you go to sleep or stop answering me? :P [09:12] MTecknology: I'm working on a few other things and made myself some breakfast [09:12] oh ya - school tomorrow [09:12] I work with the Ubuntu Development Community [09:13] dholbach: is it an 8-5 type job? and how comparable is it to other jobs? [09:14] I guess it's busier than other jobs, but it's also big fun [09:15] * dholbach now needs to rush off for a bit [09:15] tyl [09:37] bug 191281 is marked as fix released but i just got caught with this bug. I have no pending updates for ibex beta. Should I reopen the bug? [09:37] Launchpad bug 191281 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[hardy] Xorg freezes on 945GM to black screen with artifacts and mouse pointer, no compiz active" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191281 [09:41] techno_freak: yes [09:41] maco, thanks, will do === mdz_ is now known as mdz === ara_ is now known as ara === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger === asac_ is now known as asac === _pedro is now known as pedro_ === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ === stefanlsd_ is now known as stefanlsd === ara_ is now known as ara [14:39] Boo [15:23] bug 267376 is getting vicious! [15:23] Launchpad bug 267376 in openoffice.org "[Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid ibex release" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267376 === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:31] mrooney: I hate bugs like that [15:34] greg-g: yeah, you can try to be reasonable and explain but people just don't care and think everyone shares their viewpoint [15:35] but at the same time it seems bad to just let it go without responding... [15:35] well, yes and no. [15:36] I would put a comment like "we are asssesing the ability of putting this in Intrepid, any future comments from a developer will be preceeded by ***DEVELOPER COMMENT*** To discuss this issue please use the ubuntuforums thread at " [17:17] !ping bdmurray [17:17] Sorry, I don't know anything about ping bdmurray [17:18] well, that's a silly bot [17:18] indeed, but I jsut got your mail, beter late than never [17:19] So, I'll make a note on the wiki about cupsys and cups and we are good to go. [17:20] I think moving cupsys bugs to cups now would be a bad idea. [17:29] I agree entirely. [17:36] <_Zeus_> Hey folks [17:36] <_Zeus_> Is this really a bug per se? │/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/283884https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/283884_____________________│ [17:36] Launchpad bug 283884 in firefox-3.0 "firefox crashed after closing a tab with flash video" [Undecided,New] [17:38] <_Zeus_> anyone plz? [17:38] it depends. how long did the reporter wait (before force quitting it) to see if it started responding again? [17:39] <_Zeus_> doesn't say? [17:39] you should ask him then;) [17:39] <_Zeus_> got it, so I should mark incomplete and ask? [17:40] yep, that's right. if he waited a minute or so with no response, then it is definately a bug [17:40] <_Zeus_> gotcha [17:40] in that case, it would be useful to obtain a backtrace if it is repeatable, to see where it hangs [17:40] although i'm no expert at triaging firefox bugs [17:46] Hi all. Sorry I don't have time to file this bug right now. The default CD writing software fails to burn sometimes. Specifically I copied my XP cd onto the hdd (not an image file/iso, a file-for-file copy). I then tried to burn it back onto a CD. It wouldn't. But it would if I omitted the i386 folder. [17:46] Hi all. Sorry I don't have time to file this bug right now. [17:47] plz reverse the above messages - sorry [17:47] the i386 folder contains about 6000 files. I guess this is the problem. [17:48] Spudz - the 6000 files shouldn't be the problem. [17:48] How did it fail? [17:49] Also the software doesn't provide any mechanism for creating a boot-cd, which would be very useful towards making ubuntu-cd a practical recovery cd. [17:49] Which didn't? [17:49] The default burning software? [17:49] PMT: It didnt show any error. It just didn't copy anything over. [17:49] Or the bootable LiveCD? [17:49] Spudz - "great" [17:50] but I try again less the i386 folder, and it copies [17:50] What burning software is this? [17:50] Built into nautilus, or is it a separate burning program? [17:50] PMT: The default that comes with the ubuntuCD [17:50] Hm. [17:51] Spudz - I don't expect 6000 files to be the problem. [17:51] I checked the i386 folder for unusual perms, but found none [17:51] Maybe some of them had filenames which aren't technically valid for CDs. [17:51] I'd doubt it though. [17:51] so assumed it was the # of files [17:51] Spudz - can you repeat this right now? [17:51] it also failed to create the iso [17:51] sure [17:51] Looking for advice on which package to assign bug 202039 to [17:51] Launchpad bug 202039 in ubuntu "Booting from USB fails on MacBook Pro 3,1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202039 [17:51] just copy an xp cd over, and try to burn it back [17:52] places -> cd/dvd creator [17:52] so I guess that s the one meshed with nautilus [17:52] Spudz - cool. Okay, let me try this. [17:53] I happen to have an XP CD to test with, even. [17:53] awesome [17:53] bucket529: I'd put that under linux [17:53] sorry I don't have the space to file a proper bug right now. eyes closing on me. [17:53] Awsoonn: Thanks [17:54] Ah, Icey. [17:54] np, keep up the awesome work! You rock [17:54] nn [17:54] PMT I'll check in tomorrow if ur around [17:55] Okay. [17:55] Please file a bug tomorrow. :) [17:55] super [17:55] sure [18:04] works fine for me, Spudz. [18:44] hello [18:45] I wanted to know if the bug I entered is complete enough to be troubleshooted -> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/282664 [18:45] Launchpad bug 282664 in linux "[regression] v4l2 for module pwc with webcam Philips 740 doesn't work" [Undecided,New] [18:50] hi [18:51] ronj: hi [18:54] I confirm intel wifi not working with todays intrepid update. LP #283873 [18:54] Launchpad bug 283873 in network-manager "intrepid update kills wireless 15 oct 08" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283873 [18:55] I accepted the partial upgrade, rebooted, then as the original reporter says, nm no longer displays networks [18:56] unsure if the bug should be linked to nm or linux or whatever... [18:58] ronj: good question, asac might have a hint if he is around [18:59] mrooney, maybe you can help me trying to detect wifi networks with another method? [18:59] not usually a good idea to do a partial upgrade [18:59] why? [19:00] usually means somethings are built completely yet, so might as well wait until they are [19:02] didn't know. thanks [19:03] I didn't know that either! [19:04] Should bug reports be tagged for 8.10 or intrepid against the daily cd's? [19:04] does anyone know of a dupe/upstream for bug 283896? It is a well-known (I thought) issue but I don't see an issue for it elsewhere now that I look [19:04] Launchpad bug 283896 in gnome-panel "Cannot delete last panel" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283896 === geser_ is now known as geser [19:19] ronj: remove everything except iface lo stuff from /etc/network/interfaces [19:29] ronj: mrooney: no problem! :) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [19:35] asac: already empty (only the autogenerated auto lo and iface lo inet loopback) [19:38] asac: I've updated #283873, I don't think it's nm-related (iwconfig is blind about my eth1) [19:38] ronj: chipset? [19:39] 02:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) [19:40] ok ... and its not detected? [19:40] or doesnt work? [19:40] well lspci sees it [19:40] but neither iwconfig nor nm do [19:40] btw, my full lspci is on the LP bug === geser_ is now known as geser [20:04] Big question: How do the bugs on the user-mailing list get moved to the right place? [20:05] I mean the bug reports. [20:05] manually, I think [20:06] Do we move them? There are about three that hit yesterday that are still not in launchpad [20:06] are they ones that look like they were apport created? those would be easy to move over [20:07] people email bugs instead of filing on launchpad? [20:07] otherwise, either suggest to the reporter to do it, or yeah, do it ourselves [20:07] charlie-tca: I don't think that bugs reported on the ubuntu-user mailinglist get reported to launchpad, unless somebody takes the time to copy all info from the email into launchpad [20:07] mrooney: yeah [20:07] No, they look like they were manually created [20:07] So just copy the info into launchpad and then work them? [20:07] greg-g: is it just because they aren't aware they should file bugs on LP? or is there some process I am not aware of? [20:08] No, if you click report a bug in some apps, it generates a Bug Report to the list [20:08] Huh, I never knew that [20:08] mrooney: I haven't seen them personally as I'm not subscribed to that list, but I have heard that there are some emails that look like they were generated by apport [20:08] yeah, what charlie-tca said [20:09] charlie-tca: the hard part is getting additional information from the submitter [20:09] I could see that. Is there no provisions for us putting them in as the reporter? [20:10] not that I know of [20:10] charlie-tca: that isn't really possible is it? the reporter is an LP account not just an email [20:10] correct [20:10] Okay. I'll try to get them to move the reports [20:10] bdmurray might have more ideas/insight [20:11] on a call [20:11] no worries [20:31] ronj: its a driver bug then. please try hal-find-by-capability --capability net.80211 [20:32] ronj: also do a lsmod | grep ipw [20:32] and paste it [20:32] asac : hal... returns nothing, ls mod returns [20:33] ipw2200 151244 0 [20:33] ieee80211 38088 1 ipw2200 [20:33] ronj: when did this start? [20:34] after todays update (which triggered a partial upgrade which I accepted) [20:34] ronj: partial upgrade? [20:34] hmm [20:34] what is the kernel you are running [20:34] what was kept back? [20:34] when did you upgrade last time [20:34] ? [20:34] ronj: ^^ [20:34] linux-generic was indeed removed, and now I run 2.6.27-7-generic [20:35] last update before today was yesterday [20:35] strange, because I already had .7 yesterday [20:35] ronj: ok. i guess its because you didnt get all the modules you need [20:35] ronj: .7? [20:35] its not .7 its 7.11 [20:35] -7 I meant [20:35] and before it was 7.10 [20:36] no no I mean 2.6.27-7 [20:36] -7 [20:36] ronj: well. we have -7 for quite a while [20:36]