[13:10] <baali> hey can we get customized ubuntu distro???
[13:10] <baali> with only packages which we want and they are auto installable....
[13:14] <jussi01> baali: this isnt a support channel
[13:14] <jussi01> !minimal
[13:14] <ubottu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[13:14] <jussi01> baali: for further questions please go t #ubuntu
[13:15] <baali> ok thanx
[13:15] <baali> sorry for bothering
[15:22] <jpds> Daviey: Can you please tell me what you think of -uk guy?
[15:26] <jpds> Never mind.
[16:17] <Daviey> jpds: which one? :)
[16:18] <jpds> zbra..
[16:18] <Daviey> looks vocal..
[16:19] <jpds> I did !ohmy > on him.
[16:19] <Daviey> Was he the chap raving about Vista the other week?
[16:19] <jpds> Dunno.
[16:21] <Daviey> reading scrollback.. looks like it
[16:21] <Daviey> Vista prints (and shares) fine.. ubuntu + CUPS + samba = fail is the summary
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[17:48] <cypherdelic> Gr33t5!
[18:14] <cypherdelic> I got a question: Am I right, that i can take any Distrigution of GNU/Linux, modify it, give it my own name and spread it and the source, even if i just adjust themeset??
[18:14] <nalioth> cypherdelic: go for it
[18:15] <cypherdelic> what if the user install it, and its just ubuntu in real, what about trademarks?
[18:16] <cypherdelic> I tried http://usasearch.gov/search?v%3Aproject=firstgov&v%3Aframe=form&frontpage=1&emptyquery=1&affiliate=uspto.gov
[18:16] <cypherdelic> to find out if the name i would like is free
[18:17] <cypherdelic> so, just go for it?
[18:17] <Pici> cypherdelic: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[18:17] <cypherdelic> go is a huge thing, you know
[18:18] <cypherdelic> websites and so on
[18:18] <cypherdelic> Pici: thanks
[18:20] <cypherdelic> Pici: I dont know if i got that right on that page. does the name has to iclude -buntu?
[18:21] <cypherdelic> or can i name it to xyz and when user sees ubuntu next step, it's clear
[18:21] <jpds> cypherdelic: You may wish to visit: #ubuntu-derivative
[18:21] <cypherdelic> is that wrong or right.
[18:22] <cypherdelic> jpds: thanks
[18:22] <nalioth> cypherdelic: part of what you'd do is find-and-replace all trademarked names
[18:23] <cypherdelic> so i have to remove ubuntu??? now im totally confused :)
[18:28] <cypherdelic> Pici and all: Im sorry guys I-RTFM on that side, got it.
[18:30] <cypherdelic> hm
[18:31] <cypherdelic> so what i wanna do does require a remove of the ubuntu trademark
[18:34] <cypherdelic> i assume that is a very large thing
[18:34] <cypherdelic> lol Can you please offer a script that removes all trademarks from the ubuntu source? lol
[18:36] <Pici> cypherdelic: #ubuntu-derivative might be able to help you
[18:36] <cypherdelic> that channel in in deep sleep :D
[18:36] <cypherdelic> ok im off here
[18:36] <Pici> Patience.
[18:37] <jpds> Welcome to Idle Relay Chat.
[18:37] <cypherdelic> thanks and good bye
[18:40] <cypherdelic> i dont think there exist something like a trademark remove from source script for ubuntu. this is the sense of the trademark police, not to make ubuntu-community-effort to be undetected by the user, and otherways any deep chang or third party requires to fit trademark policy
[18:41] <cypherdelic> so no way to make a state of the art OS that asks users at installation for java,flash,divx, etc.
[18:42] <jpds> No, those things are 1) Non-free 2) Have licenses with do not allow redistrubition.
[18:42] <cypherdelic> For a windows-switching-user, the hardest thing today is to get familiar with package/installation in gnu/linux
[18:43] <cypherdelic> part on the other hand it's the most annoying thing to have those basics not installed
[18:44] <jpds> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:44] <ubottu> ubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 15.2 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[18:44] <jpds> It's as easy as installing that package.
[18:44] <cypherdelic> jpds: 1 thats it 2) i know, but anyways why dont ask the USER at installation if he wants or not, so make it a CAN-BE fully OS???
[18:45] <cypherdelic> CAN-BE-FULLY-FREE i mean
[18:45] <cypherdelic> or make a new installation step
[18:46] <cypherdelic> in which the user can can install common basic third party?
[18:47] <cypherdelic> i have seen many guys using linux for some days or if it comes up some weeks and than giving up, because there brain is not ready to install those things. i showed them synaptic
[18:48] <jpds> I think the Ubuntu team would prefer to promote Free and Open source software.
[18:48] <jpds> If not, we have utilities like Jockey and the restricted-extras
[18:49] <cypherdelic> yes you know me know
[18:49] <cypherdelic> no matter for whom i install
[18:49] <cypherdelic> i ask them, and then i always search synaptic for extras, restricted, ugly, bad and unfree
[18:50] <cypherdelic> then i say: look the installation is running, sit down and agree licence agreements
[18:51] <cypherdelic> they say: oh yes, java, of course, flash of course, etc
[18:52] <cypherdelic> i just want to say, that i personally think, this is the most annoying thing to grow the community
[18:54] <cypherdelic> i.e i will install ubuntu the next weeks for my dad
[18:55] <cypherdelic> i know at this point, that if i not explain him at least 30minutes how toinstall stuff he wants to have
[18:56] <cypherdelic> i start with, you just have to know what you want to do, that you have to translate it into english and search for it in synaptic
[18:56] <jpds> Open Synaptic, enable the extras repostiories, install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[18:56] <cypherdelic> when he hears english his brain shuts off
[18:56] <cypherdelic> is not just about extras
[18:57] <cypherdelic> you have to imagine: he is new to linux
[18:57] <cypherdelic> he does not know the term "open office" he does not know the term "synaptic" he does not know any english word at all
[18:58] <cypherdelic> so in general i told him
[18:59] <cypherdelic> you need the english term of what you want to to, translate it to english and search synaptic package name and describtion
[19:00] <cypherdelic> i know, that this guy, my old man, in fact is to stupid for it, but he and 90% of the world computerusers can work with windows
[19:00] <Pici> cypherdelic: Perhaps brainstorm.ubuntu.com would be a good place to vent all of this?
[19:01] <cypherdelic> he can even install it and install all what he needs without fckn calling me :D
[19:02] <cypherdelic> i have not really a conclusion how to fix this bug :D
[19:02] <jpds> cypherdelic: Simply put, it's the bug we'll never fix: The User.
[19:26] <cypherdelic> Hey, i think about another thing: When an IT-stupid old man can use linux, and tell this his collegues and friends
[19:26] <cypherdelic> they think: why am i still with windows if he can do well, lets try this ubuntu .... ;)
[19:51] <Myrtti> HEADS UP
[19:51] <Myrtti> 21:50 < {Firemaker}> http://tinyurl.com/jordanlulz
[19:51] <Myrtti> 21:50 @,- {Firemaker} [n=Firemake@91.125.229.5] has left #ubuntu-se ["[[lOl pArTeD -  cHaNnElS pArTeD: 810 ]]"]
[19:52] <jpds> He's gone.
[19:52] <Pici> Hrm. I'm glad I used w3m for that site.
[19:52] <Myrtti> jpds: k-train?
[19:52] <jpds> Myrtti: whowas.
[19:52] <Myrtti> I'm still putting him on ban for a while
[19:55] <Nafallo> I fired of a mail to his ISP's abuse department.
[20:00] <Myrtti> Nafallo: is he a regular "visitor"?
[20:01] <Nafallo> never seen him before :-)
[20:02]  * Myrtti rubs her eyes, sees the difference between letter f and t
[20:02] <Nafallo> might as well enjoy the abuse department a bit though :-P
[20:02] <Nafallo> also, cHaNnElS pArTeD: 810...
[20:03] <Nafallo> anyway. I should probably call EOD and get home :-)
[20:03] <Myrtti> good idea