[00:00] kirkland: yeah - I noticed the amount of LP bug mail related to that :) [00:00] ... [00:00] The Live Cd doesn't work on it :( [00:00] mathiaz: i have one physical machine running Intrepid i'm using for the init script testing and development [00:00] mathiaz: i can repurpose it for iso testing thereafter [00:01] kirkland: that would be great - as of the timeframe, alpha2 is due tomorrow [00:01] kirkland: so having testing done by then would be helpfull :D [00:01] mathiaz: :-/ [00:12] hi all! [00:13] trying to set up mod_rewrite... ran the ln -s... command and then wen to do: apache2 -k restart and got error: [00:13] apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} [00:14] `sudo a2enmod rewrite` is what you should be running [00:17] hads, thanks! that did it! [00:18] np [00:41] kirkland: lemme know when its really done :) [00:41] zul: okey doke [00:41] it's all really done [00:41] zul: i've subscribed you to the bugs I need sponsoring [00:41] slangasek sponsored the lsb upload [00:41] and slangasek sponsored the one for samba [00:41] kirkland: cool [00:42] zul: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lsb/+bug/203169/comments/33 [00:42] Launchpad bug 203169 in sysklogd ""status" function for init scripts" [Wishlist,In progress] [00:42] zul: that comment has links to each of the bugs [00:42] zul: with patches that require uploads [00:43] zul: take a look and see if they're okay [00:43] kirkland: cool ill do it first thing tomorrow just trying to get liam to go to slee [00:43] zul: if they are, I'm going to write a wiki page on how to create similar patches for any other generic server package [00:43] zul: nxvl expressed an interest in helping [00:43] kirkland: cool [00:44] zul: there are dozens (hundreds? thousand+?) of other init scripts that could use this [00:44] zul: should be done in Debian, obviously [00:44] i'll push each of these patches to Debian [00:45] kirkland: sounds good to me [00:47] mathiaz: i'm downloading ISO's now [00:51] kirkland: great ! thanks for help testing the new isos [01:19] does anyone here have an opinion about managed switches - brands that you like or dislike? === freaky[t] is now known as fReAkY[t] === hessml is now known as hessml|away [02:23] hi, is anyone in here? [02:29] Yes [02:29] lamont: Ping. [02:30] lamont: I'm looking for a policy compliant way to add another service to master.cf to reinject mail from amavisd-new after scanning. === hessml|away is now known as hessml [02:31] oh ok I was wondering if i would loose my google apps if i were to use BIND9 for my home webserver [02:31] How is it you think those are related? [02:33] I don't know. [02:34] Then it seems like an odd question to me. [02:38] Greetings.. what is the 'best way' to add new users to a ubuntu-server box? [02:39] pschulz01: See man adduser [02:46] ScottK: Ta. Is there a command to list the deatils of a user? (regardless of if they are registered via LDAP or passwd) [02:46] (Different system) [02:47] Dunno. [02:48] I remember that 'ypcat' kind of worked for systems that used NIS. [02:48] pschulz01: try the id command: id username... gives you some information anyway [02:49] .. and 'id' shows me groups. I was after the rest of the password info.. particularly 'shell' [02:49] * ScottK me slaps the entire Ubuntu Server team (except sommer) in the head via email. [02:52] ScottK: Bug #247144 [02:53] Launchpad bug 247144 in libsocket6-perl "MIR for libsocket6-perl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247144 [02:53] Kewl. [02:53] sommer: Thanks. I really appreciate you working on it. [02:54] np, hopefully its complete :) [02:54] sommer: You ready for me to review it? [02:55] ScottK: yep, I think its complete [02:55] Is it really dbs? [02:56] it says it in the control file... and there's an include in the rules file for dbs-build.mk [02:56] wasn't really sure what dbs was, but looked like a patch system [02:57] also the debian policy on the package is rather dated :( [02:57] It's the predecessor to cbds. [02:57] ah, I'm not sure that it's actually doing anything, but it's there [02:58] What version do you have. My says 3.7.3.0? [02:58] And compat = 7 [02:58] I think you reviewed an old version of the package. [02:58] libsocket6-perl_0.19-1 [02:59] You want 0.20-1 [02:59] ah balls, I wasn't in my intrepid chroot... doh [02:59] ;-) [02:59] I'll update the mir [03:06] sommer: dbs is part of the packaging system, not a patch system. [03:07] ah, gotcha [03:11] ScottK: updated, the rest of the questions still pertain... at least I think so [03:11] * ScottK looks again. [03:13] sommer: 3.6/3.7 in standards version. What work does it need? [03:14] Homepage field, is really the only one I can think of, so I figured there may be more [03:14] heh, just read your email... kind of spooky that I was working on another one when you were writing that [03:14] * ScottK bets not. [03:14] Thanks again for your work on this. [03:15] fair enough, I'll soften the language on that question [03:15] np [03:15] what's the deadline for MIRs? [03:16] Approval by feature freeze. [03:17] ah, so we've got some time :) [03:21] libsocket6-perl updated again [03:22] You need to mention dbs [03:22] as a patch system? [03:23] As part of the packaging system. [03:23] ScottK: or as a dependcy? [03:23] Tarball in Tarball is worth a mention as a packaging oddity. [03:23] It makes patching MUCH harder and so it a supportability consideration. [03:24] ya, I wondered about that, but I've seen another package like that [03:24] It's odd, but not impossible. [03:24] Also it does have a test suite. [03:24] acl's rock [03:24] just thought i'd throw that out there [03:25] ScottK: do you get that from the dh_testdir in debian/rules? [03:26] oooohhhh, the "t" directory [03:26] Yes. [03:26] but is it used in the package? [03:27] Not sure. Looking. [03:29] would it be safe to give www-data an acl for r-x to /var/www so apache will default have access to all new users [03:30] helfire: should be, as far as I know [03:30] if someone hacks the user www-data, i have bigger issues anyways i'd suppose [03:31] heh, your pretty much in a world of pain at that point... I'd also keep an eye on who's in the www-data group also [03:32] ya, using acl's no one should really be in it [03:33] sommer: It's listed in the MANIFEST, so I know it gets installed. Not sure about running it. [03:35] ScottK: if it were being run wouldn't that be in the debian/rules file? [03:35] Run at install, not during build. [03:35] There's some Perl specific magic for that that I don't recall how works. [03:35] ah gotcha, I can look into that [03:36] Other than that, I think it's good. [03:37] cool, thanks [03:47] well /var/web/user/phptemp wont work unless i chown it back to www-data:www-data (even with proper acl's) [03:49] nevermind i did it recursive so all the sessions got changed as well :) [04:06] does anything report ACL violations? [06:08] ping.. anyonw have experience with ssmtp ? I just installed and does exactly what I want it to do.. [06:09] pschulz01: I use it for simple mail testing with mutt [06:10] Is there anything tricky about it at all??? [06:10] sommer: I have installed it on a gateway box that doesn't need to have a mailserver on it. [06:11] sommer: This is to get sysadmin emails off the system. [06:11] pschulz01: I've never noticed anything tricky... I think as long as you don't want it to do anything too complicated it'll work great for you [06:12] basically as long as it has somewhere to relay mail off of ssmtp is great [06:12] sommer: :-) .. well it hasn't open any ports, which is an excellent start. [06:12] opened [06:13] yep, I kind of think of it as just the sendmail binary and not the sendmail service [06:13] but I'm also not sure how accurate that analogy is :) [07:46] Elo [08:40] hi [08:42] my gutsy LTSP server stopped working after a minor update. .xsession-errors files in users' ~ complain about MAGIC-COOKIE . Anyone has an idea what might go wrong? [09:00] moin === uvirtbot` is now known as uvirtbot [09:58] What has OpenSUSEs Build Service that Launchpad doesn't? I'm asking as I write for Swedish tech-mag TechWorld Open Source and I'm curious [09:59] I.e could OpenSUSE Build Service be of any use for Ubuntu? [10:00] the opposite you mean [10:01] blue-frog, Yes, could be - in what way do they complement eachother [10:01] no idea [11:02] hello [11:02] anyone able to help me set up vnc? [11:03] I need an understanding to the difference between whether you log into an existing sessions or start a new one [11:14] greetings, if you would need to choose a mailserver with very good connection to php, to send thousands of emails an hour, what would you choose? sendmail rather then qmail? [11:15] Most MTAs can send a large amount of emails without difficulty. [11:16] ATA_Dark_Shadow: postfix [11:16] hmm [11:17] ill try postfix then, as its already installed :) [11:23] I'd be more worried about PHP than the choice of mail server [11:27] truth (: [12:43] soren: can you accept my email to ubuntu-server ml. I think I got it all straightened out (finally) [12:43] jdstrand: will do [12:43] soren: thanks [12:44] done [12:44] \o/ [12:44] * soren <3 listadmin [12:44] ? [12:44] Yes, I'm hooking up file descriptor three to read from listadmin. [12:44] (It's actually meant to resemble a heart) [12:45] ah-- sideways [12:45] It's the way all the cool kids say that they like something. [12:45] :) [12:45] with my aliased font, it really doesn't look much like a heart [12:45] Yeah. I think kids use their computers lying down more than they used to. :) <3 etc. [12:46] heh [12:46] soren, see and i thought it was a damsel from the top (looking up) [12:46] * jdstrand I was really interested in soren's use of file descriptor 3 for a moment [12:46] s/I// [12:47] (darn third person references) [12:47] jdstrand: That's where love is. Apparantly. [12:47] morning [12:47] hi zul! [12:47] * soren finds it slightly confusing, too. [12:47] hey jdstrand [12:47] zul: Hey, Chuck. [12:48] soren: Hey, Soren. [12:48] soren: love is found in file descriptor 3!?! neat-- that is an answer to one of life's great questions [12:48] jdstrand: Yep. You heard it in #ubuntu-server first. [12:48] * soren breaks for few minutes [12:48] * jdstrand notes soren is useful for all sorts of things [12:48] jdstrand: unless you are hans reiser [12:49] zul: dude, you're obsessed with that guy ;) [12:49] jdstrand: i think the jokes are humorous [12:49] though I admit, I did see that thing on him last night (20/20?) [12:50] he was on again last night/ [12:50] i think I was watching futurerama :) [13:01] what's the difference between 8.04.1 and 8.04? [13:02] in windows lingo, service pack 1 [13:02] ok, just another release [13:02] and from the point of a server-os, are there relevant changes? [13:03] release info + changelog should have that info [13:04] ok [13:04] that info is missing on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases?highlight=(releases) [13:06] kraut: release info as in the announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2008-July/000112.html [13:12] Deeps: thanks [13:30] morning [13:31] morning [13:33] hi sommer [13:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=220529437#Features [13:50] rightmost column [13:54] not funny [13:55] k [14:03] lamont: Would you have a moment to put your Postfix maintainer hat on for a discussion? [14:04] meh. just for you dear. [14:04] :-) [14:05] wassup? [14:05] I'm trying to come up with a policy compliant way to automagically integrate amavisd-new into Postfix. [14:05] All the main.cf stuff I can do through postconf. [14:05] main.cf changes: postconf -e. master.cf changes: erk [14:05] Yeah. [14:06] I'd welcome a patch to postconf (or new utility) to add/remove/edit bits in master.cf.....; [14:06] Would you be willing to consider a helper script in the postfix package that would append the needed stuff on the end. [14:06] Add I can do. Remove is fraught with peril. [14:06] agreed [14:07] I was hoping you'd give me edit to. :)) [14:07] ;-) [14:08] I was thinking something like postfix-add-filter $FILTERNAME $PORT_TO_LISTEN_ON [14:08] With a man page to explain. [14:09] it'll take more args than that, I expect... like command args for example.. [14:09] but yeah [14:10] Start simple and standard and then add complexity as we go. The amavisd-new docs have a very nice sample. [14:10] heh. yeah [14:10] sounds like a plan [14:10] OK. [14:10] Do you care if it's shell or python? [14:11] lamont: ^^^ [14:12] python has less scary auto-expansion crap in it/ [14:15] kirkland: ping me when you are around? [14:16] Instead of pinging you when he's not around? [14:19] Is there a way to make an image of a remote server then transfer it to my desktop and use it as a virtual server? [14:19] like with dd or simialr [14:19] Yes. [14:20] any guide or tips on how it's done :) [14:20] with dd or simialr. [14:21] I think it's easier if you tell me that parts you're not sure about. [14:22] haha, well i vaugly know how dd works. My server has only 1 partition so can i dd to the same partition i'm reading? [14:22] No. [14:22] didnt think so [14:23] i can dd to a stream though, but my home connection is only 7mbps [14:23] so 16 gigs would take a while, but probably doable [14:24] You can't shut the server down while you do it? [14:24] no it's remote colocated in FL and i'm in MN :) [14:24] Is that Montana or Minnesota? I forget? [14:24] Minnesota. [14:24] yup [14:24] Ok, not *that* bad, then :) [14:24] It's a long way either way. [14:25] Compared to .dk, I guess not. [14:25] haha only a 300$ plane ticket now adays [14:25] At any rate, I don't see how it being far away relates to whether you can shut it down? [14:25] and i'm sure they wouldnt let me in the server room [14:25] What would you do if it crashed? Cry and buy a new one? [14:25] well i can shut it down i suppose, but how would that help me? [14:25] yes :P [14:26] Well, most colo's that I know of offer some sort of recovery boot option. From there, I can access the hard drives and such without them being moutned. [14:27] hmm, i guess i havent looked into that [14:27] So my question wasn't so much of a "can you reach the power button", but more of a "would a few hours of downtime be a huge problem"? [14:27] Again: [14:27] What would you do if it crashed? Cry and buy a new one? [14:27] downtime at night wouldnt be a problem [14:27] zul: hey, give me a half hour or so to get my day going ;-) [14:28] kirkland: sure ill be here [14:28] Say you smashed your /etc/passwd and couldn't log in... What'd you do? [14:28] call them and figure out their recovery options [14:28] but i dont know them since i never have needed to use them [14:30] The thing is... dd won't detect if stuff you've already read has changed and such, so if you dd a runnning system's drives off to somewhere else, the filesystem integrity is out the window. [14:30] ...but if this is just for fun and giggles, that's probably not a bit problem. [14:30] If, however, you're doing it to set up a serious testing environment of some kind, then it's one heck of a problme. [14:30] problem, even. [14:31] this is just for fun [14:31] no giggles? [14:31] never [14:31] Oh. then i'm not sure. [14:31] You could try. [14:31] There's nothing lost (apart from time and bandwidth) if it doesn't work. [14:32] i could just install 7.10 in vmware, copy the user space and file i know i've changed in /etc/, get a list of installed programs from apt and sync them, it would be a realitivly close copy === fReAkY[t] is now known as c1|freaky [14:35] Oh, sure, if that's sufficient for you, just do that. [14:35] probably :) [14:35] dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections are going to be handy. [14:35] thanks [14:36] "dpkg --get-selections > foo.lst" on the source, and then "dpkg --set-selections < foo.lst ; dselect install" on the destinatino. [14:36] destionation, even. [14:36] * soren is having a bad typing day [14:37] yup, that should be good enough for me. Will give that a go this weekend === c1|freaky is now known as fReAkY[t] === fReAkY[t] is now known as freaky[t] [15:08] kirkland: ping so those patches have been blessed? [15:12] i'm having trouble with installing ebox.. [15:12] getting this errror.. [15:12] dpkg: error processing ebox (--configure): [15:12] subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [15:12] Errors were encountered while processing: [15:12] ebox [15:12] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [15:13] i tried to remove it, but i get the same error.. [15:14] probably it's showing more related errors [15:14] ubuntu 8.04 server ... only things its running/ has installed is openssh-server, vsftpd & svn server.. [15:15] ill paste bin the entire thing.. 1 sec.. by the way its the latest from launchpad that they recommend on the ubuntu wiki and ebox site.. [15:15] the repo version was giving me the same results also though.. [15:16] ubuntu repo* [15:16] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26473/ [15:20] zul: okey doke, what up [15:20] zul: break out the vial of holy penguin pee [15:20] kirkland: those status patches have the go ahead now? [15:20] eww :) [15:21] zul: for the blessing [15:21] kirkland: ok Ill do that now then [15:21] zul: let me check my mail and see if I got any show stopping responses [15:22] got the bug # handy as well? [15:22] It's funny how "show stoppers" used to be a good thing. [15:22] zul: start at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lsb/+bug/203169/comments/33 [15:22] Launchpad bug 203169 in sysklogd ""status" function for init scripts" [Wishlist,In progress] [15:22] that comment has links to all of the other bugs [15:23] kirkland: merci buckets [15:23] u has a bukkit? [15:24] I do, its full of monkeys [15:25] Wicked. [15:27] zul: yep, no negative responses [15:28] zul: those are ready then [15:28] sweet [15:28] zul: once Debian accepts the latest lsb-base patch, I'll push all of these to Debian [15:29] kirkland: yep yep [15:29] zul: also, i might need some MIR help from you today [15:30] zul: dendrobates said you're da man for MIR's [15:30] kirkland: sure [15:34] kirkland: samba has already been taken care of correct? [15:34] and lamont is ok with the one for bind? [15:34] zul: slangasek "approved" it in IRC, but it doesn't look look like he's applied it yet [15:35] zul: you can leave that one, if you want, and I'll ping slangasek in IRC later today [15:35] zul: or you can apply it [15:35] zul: see #ubuntu-devel yesterday [15:35] zul: grep for "B+" [15:35] kirkland: k [15:35] zul: and uploaded.. well, modulo fixing it for yesterdays thing [15:35] which will land in -3 sometime soonish [15:36] kirkland: I assume the syntax in -2 will still _work_ with the new status_of_proc, yes? [15:36] lamont: yes, if you don't pass it a -p $pid [15:36] lamont: -3 is needed if you want -p $pid [15:36] kirkland: cjwatson ok with ssh as well? [15:36] zul: I have not spoken with cjwatson [15:37] kirkland: that's what I'll be adding. :-) [15:37] i can ping him, if you like [15:37] kirkland: please [15:37] okay, i'll move that over to #ubuntu-devel [15:58] how would i search for and remove gconf modified keys set by ebox? [16:02] mathiaz: I'm curious about the timeline for your openldap cn=config work? [16:03] soren: I'm planning to get something done by the end of this week so that I can get a review from slangasek during next week sprint [16:03] soren: are you looking for something particular in the cn=config migration ? [16:03] mathiaz: Sounds great. I have a bit of a pet project that needs it :) [16:03] soren: a new feature ? [16:04] soren: what would you require ? [16:04] If just cn=config would be enabled by default, that would should be more than enough. [16:05] soren: well - you can already setup cn=config - you just need to convert slapd.conf manually and modify /etc/default/slapd to point to your /etc/ldap/slapd.d/ directory [16:05] Sure, I know. [16:05] soren: slapd already supports cn=config for quiet some time [16:06] ..but is this is going to be the default from now on, I'm not going to spend time automating that process for my little use case. [16:07] And I do believe this is going to be the default, right? [16:07] soren: yes - that's my plan [16:07] Good. [16:08] I might try to sell my little pet project to one of you guys next week :) [16:23] mathiaz: zul: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions when you get a chance [16:23] I put step-by-step instructions in there for adding status actions to init scripts [16:24] mathiaz: zul: as soon as Debian's lsb takes the patch, I'll merge lsb again for Intrepid, and then I'll send a note out to the ubuntu-server@ mailing list asking for some volunteers [16:25] kirkland: sounds good to me [16:25] zul: since you've looked at a bunch of these patches now, you might have additional advice to add to that page [16:26] kirkland: sure I can think of openvpn at the top of my head [16:26] zul: oh, well, i meant more the instructions for how to create/test/submit an appropriate patch for this [16:27] zul: i link to owh's page where he has lists of packages that need this [16:27] jdstrand: kees: what's the state of bug 227464 ? [16:27] Launchpad bug 227464 in php5 "Please roll out security fixes from PHP 5.2.6" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227464 [16:28] mathiaz: jdstrand: kees: fwiw, I have a php5.2.6 for Hardy built in my PPA, if that helps your testing/review [16:29] mathiaz: kees is handling that one, but we'll talk about it [16:29] kirkland: that is most helpful [17:16] New bug: #247316 in samba (main) "winbindd segfaults regularly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247316 [17:18] so after I create the file in /etc/event.d, how do I make whatever decide to notice that it's there? [17:48] New bug: #247332 in postfix (main) "Please add a script to allow filter services to be programatically added to master.cf" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247332 [18:00] kirkland: doc search rules [18:01] bdmurray: ;-) i like your enthusiasm [18:01] bdmurray: have you seen the manpage archive I created? [18:01] bdmurray: http://ubuntu.dustinkirkland.com/manpages/ [18:01] kirkland: no, not yet. I like how doc search can help augment my memory [18:02] bdmurray: the manpage repo is nice for reading manpages that you don't have installed on your system [18:02] bdmurray: or perhaps from older/newer ubuntu versions that you have installed on your system [18:03] bdmurray: if I could bribe kees into auditing the code, I could get it onto ubuntu.com :-P [18:04] kirkland: maybe you'll get that chance next week! [18:04] bdmurray: true dat. you're in London, I assume? [18:05] kirkland: Indeed, that made the most sense [18:16] Hey guys, is there a way to get chown / chmod to affect hidden files / dirs as well? I do a 'chmod -R a+r *', but it skips '.svn', etc.. [18:18] mm_202: I use "." instead of "*" for that. [18:19] hmm. Yep, that makes sense. [18:19] Thank you, kees! [18:19] mm_202: your shell expands the "*" to all non-hidden files before chmod goes recursive on your list. using "." means chmod does the recursion from "." [18:19] mm_202: np :) [18:20] heh, yeah, forgot about the shell expandion... [19:18] zul: can you review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportEcryptfsUtils [19:20] kirkland: looks good to me [19:20] zul: thanks. now what? [19:21] :-P [19:21] kirkland: file a bug in launchpad subscribe ubuntu-mir and wait [19:22] zul: k [19:22] zul: one bug per MIR, or per batch? [19:22] zul: I have a total of 5 that go together [19:22] one bug per MIR [19:29] hi folks -- im running samba on ubuntu hardy server -- working with my MS active directory -- user authentication works a treat -- but members of the group cannot access the folder even though the folder is 770 [19:34] smb.conf is at http://www.pastebin.ca/1068355 [19:37] kirkland: When I have several that are related, I mention that in the bug. [19:37] ScottK: separate bugs? [19:37] Yes. [19:37] ScottK: one per MIR? [19:37] k [19:37]