[00:00] asac: probably :) [00:00] well, i'm rather struggling with having flash than not having it in most cases [00:00] heh :) [00:00] but if you want to block it on your ltsp server it definately makes sense to have it globally [00:00] ogra: let's for the sake of argument say flash works ;) [00:00] Chipzz: your argument is really far away [00:01] Chipzz: if you have cycles and can code mozilla, join #ubuntu-mozillateam :)( [00:01] since you might do that because of company policy or school policy [00:01] and join forces in fixing the plugin + extension wizard framework for firefox 3.1 [00:01] ogra: I'm more thinking along the lines of: a lot of users will want to have this, so from a maintainability pov (ie not having hundreds of (possibly out-dated) copies of the extension in ~/.mozilla) [00:02] right [00:03] asac: but you haven't answered my question; ie how would that work? would the plugin get copied in ~/.mozilla ? [00:03] Chipzz: that doesnt matter at this stage [00:03] Chipzz: and that info wouldnt help you. [00:03] Chipzz: whatever is needed needs to be done ;) [00:03] most likely it wont be copied in .mozilla [00:04] maybe it will ... as long as its auto updated if admin updates the global package ;) [00:04] asac: well, like I said, it matters from a maintainability pov [00:04] ie possibly out-dated [00:05] Chipzz: "... as long as its auto updated if admin updates" [00:05] yeah [00:05] asac: don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be annoying or get on your nerves ;) [00:05] just considering a possible use case [00:08] Chipzz: that use-case is well understood [00:08] Chipzz: next step would be to write this as a spec [00:09] asac: uhu [00:09] but anyway, I'm allmost of to bed :) [00:10] * ogra sees Chipzz's whois info and wonders what he did with the former versions ... [00:12] ogra: ah yes, some old bullshit :) I should probably nuke that ;) [00:12] heh [00:12] has been in there for years :P [00:13] that's what you get from keeping the same homedir for over 10 years :P [00:15] I thought what you get for keeping the same homedir for over 10 years is a self-aware fvwmrc [00:19] slangasek, yeah just throw a url over and should be able to run through it at least once at some point [00:20] slangasek: lol :) [01:42] * Laney is patching pidgin now [01:45] interesting... alsactl, brltty, umount.hal, vstp, wpa_supplicant all live in /sbin and use libs in /usr/lib... --> fail [01:45] (ok, and {mkfs,fsck}.cramfs too... for completeness) [01:46] on the bright side, grep didn't start depending on libpcre until it was moved to /lib ;) [02:12] lamont: Score! [02:15] lifeless: isn't it though [02:16] the cramfs one has been around for a while [02:16] http://bugs.debian.org/338604 [02:16] it won't be 3 years old for another 4 months or so [02:18] The brltty issue I can see what I can do to get that sorted, as I am in contact with upstream, and the DD responsible for the package as well. [02:20] Hrm that may not be easy to solve, since brltty tracks the mouse via gpm. [02:27] * Hobbsee sighs at ICQ. [02:30] slomo: ping [02:32] slangasek: re: kopete, fwiw, i've pushed patches for that issue direct from upstream kde into the stable releases at the time, with no regressions. [02:32] slomo: if you see this can you merge mono 1.9.1+dfsg-2 it has SIGSEGV fix for AMD64 and other fixes that are important [02:33] Debdiff for pidgin in bug #244591 for sponsoring if anyone's interested [02:33] Launchpad bug 244591 in pidgin "Cannot connect to ICQ ("The client version you are using is too old.")" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244591 [02:35] Hobbsee: patches for the ICQ issue? [02:37] slangasek: the version change #'s, yes. [02:38] it didn't have an autoupdater when i last looked at it, though. [02:38] * Hobbsee still has nfi why they keep changing the number required every once in a while, when the protocol doesn't appear to change - or at least, no other changes seem to be required apart from the version string. [02:39] It probably adds the ability to do other things on the server. [02:40] everyone should just switch to gtalk :) [02:40] calc: ? [02:40] I've heard good things about this thing called IRC. [02:40] sure, but why bump the version number in that case? it hasn't actually had any changes, so any new code on the server side will work with the older version of pidgin. [02:40] * StevenK doesn't know what IRC is [02:41] Hobbsee: Ah, probably because other clients, like the offical one also support the new messages. [02:41] * TheMuso notes that bitlbee never seems to require updates for ICQ... [02:41] IRC = i repeat classes [02:41] You say, on IRC [02:42] TheMuso: now, that's interesting. i thought it was all clients. [02:42] * calc is out of school already :) [02:42] StevenK: probably. [02:42] but yea i repeated classes when first finding IRC ;-) [02:42] On an unrelated note, TheMuso’s ICQ contacts have been surprisingly quiet recently. ;-) [02:42] Hobbsee: Yeah, I've been using ICQ on bitlbee the last few weeks with no issues. [02:43] ion_: True, I idle on it the vast majority of the time, but I am logged in. [02:43] Ah, so that's TheMuso's secret. He never logs out of ICQ, therefore never gets the oppurunity to get the error message. [02:44] people still use ICQ? [02:44] * TheMuso tests logging out/in now to see if anything happens. [02:44] LaserJock: ++ [02:45] <@root> oscar - Logging in: Signon: 18444344 [02:45] <@root> oscar - Logging in: Connection established, cookie sent [02:45] <@root> oscar - Couldn't log in: SNAC threw error: Busted SNAC payload [02:45] <@root> oscar - Logging in: Logged in [02:45] I just can't get Jabber to work with pidgin, couldn't care less about ICQ ;-) [02:55] Can a GNOME developer take a look at patches in this bug report : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/187540 [02:55] Launchpad bug 187540 in gnome-panel "Gnome-panel freeze when 8 windows are open when the panel is on the right" [Unknown,Confirmed] [02:55] I tested the patches and it works correctly in my case [02:59] Bug #244591 awaits SRU approval :) [02:59] Launchpad bug 244591 in pidgin "Cannot connect to ICQ ("The client version you are using is too old.")" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244591 [03:07] so how much pain is it to get a broadcom NIC working under hardy? [03:07] compaq box with BCM94311MCG [03:07] * lamont waits for the flamage [03:30] wow i can refuse to fix people's computers now on not wanting to violate a law [03:30] apparently we have some really stupid well bribed people here in texas :-\ [03:31] if you fix a computer or ask to have a computer fixed by a non private investigator you can be sent to jail for 1yr [03:32] You now need to be a private investigator to fix a computer? [03:32] yeah [03:32] it is retarded [03:32] * brandonperry used to be a computer technician [03:36] wtf [03:36] calc: :-D [03:36] URL ? [03:36] Is this law related to some disclosure statute, or just gratuitous? [03:48] Bah. It's interpretive. http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB02833F.htm allows retailers to service on-site, and allows lots of other exceptions if security is not the primary area of business for the affected person. Plus, employees of a firm with any of a PI, law, or accounting license are exempt. [05:21] cjwatson: ping [05:22] cjwatson: Could you please take a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/240755 if you haven't already? Just a small update that you might of missed since I reopened the bug weirdly rather than filing a new one. [05:22] Launchpad bug 240755 in hardy-backports "Please backport Wine 1.0 from Intrepid to Hardy" [Medium,In progress] [05:29] YokoZar: I approved a big stack of backports (cleared out the Hardy backlog) on Sunday. Not sure what order they'll get done in. [05:34] anyone know how to properly branch a bzr repo, i need to branch one from bzr.debian.org into launchpad [05:36] calc: Do you want it mirrored, or a one-off branch? [05:36] calc: Because if you want it mirrored you can register it on launchpad and LP will mirror it for you. [05:36] hmm, what is the difference? [05:36] i need to commit stuff to the lp one as well [05:36] so i guess not just mirrored [05:37] its for OOo 3.0 packaging [05:37] Right. So, you'd just bzr branch $REMOTE, then bzr push lp:wherever-it-should-go. [05:37] so $REMOTE equals my full bzr+ssh path? [05:38] Yes. [05:38] hmm actually i need the other bzr repo to be a subdir of the new one [05:38] is that possible? [05:38] I'm not sure what you mean. [05:39] eg debian has the top level dir be the debian dir i need it to be the package dir so i can have a ubuntu dir beside the debian one (same level hierarchy) [05:39] eg ooo-3.0/debian and ooo-3.0/ubuntu [05:39] and the debian bzr has the top level bzr as just the debian dir [05:39] That's just naming the branch, though? [05:40] cjwatson, reg DBus - how is it different from messaging solutions? (i could not find this in the wiki) [05:40] i don't think so? [05:40] instead of top of the bzr branch being debian it needs to be ooo-3.0 [05:40] that isn't just naming at least aiui [05:41] because in the ubuntu version i need to also have a ubuntu dir as well which means my top level needs to be one dir higher than how it is setup on bzr.debian.org [05:41] Why do you need both the Ubuntu and Debian debian/ dirs in your branch? [05:41] i have to modify the debian dir for ubuntu and some of the ubuntu specific stuff is under the ubuntu dir as well [05:42] Isn't the idea to take Debian's debian/, make the Ubuntu changes, and commit that? [05:42] well yea, but we have other files such as artwork, etc that is version controlled for ubuntu and it is under ubuntu dir instead [05:42] i guess to be able to branch it cleanly i would need to move all of that under the debian dir? [05:42] calc: Wait - we've got both a debian/ and ubuntu/ dir in the package? [05:43] yes [05:43] is there a way to branch into an already existing repo [05:43] No, not yet. [05:43] ok [05:43] RAOF: what do you mean? [05:43] some other way to cause my branch to be a subdir of a new repo? [05:43] RAOF: by 'not' [05:44] lifeless: You can't attach branches to arbitrary subtrees? [05:44] do you mean 'bzr join' ? [05:44] RAOF: or do you mean 'partial checkout' ? [05:45] also, if you consider teh proposed best practice, we want a single tree with the packaging & patches in a loom, not disjoin versioned data [05:45] lifeless: Wow. bzr help join looks like fun. [05:46] lifeless: so its possible to do that then? [05:47] calc: well I still don't understand the question [05:47] calc: you asked about repositories, and they -exist- to have many branches within them. [05:47] RAOF: seems to be suggesting you didn't mean repository [05:47] lifeless: i need to somehow branch the openoffice packaging bzr from bzr.d.o into a subdir of my bzr for OOo 3.0 packaging [05:48] calc: are they currently related? [05:48] lifeless: for < 3.0 i was just copying the data over so i want to do it right for 3.0 [05:48] and i don't know enough about how bzr works to actually set it up right [05:48] calc: I advise doing what you were doing while james_w bring up the toolchain [05:49] calc: and send him a mail saying what you were wanting to do :P [05:49] in the past i just hand merged from debian's bzr [05:49] with no history, etc [05:49] calc: if they are not related, that will be easiest [05:49] i'm confused [05:49] what is this about related? :) [05:50] calc: did the bzr packaging start as a branch off your oo branch? [05:50] calc: or vice verca? [05:50] calc: or neither [05:50] neither [05:50] so, 'bzr merge' doesn't know what to do, or how things should be connected [05:50] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr-merge-into/trunk [05:50] but for the future i was hoping to try to branch it off from debian if possible to keep history with them [05:51] i don't even know how to begin to make it work [05:51] calc: right, and we're trying to do that for 13K branches [05:51] since the top level dirs aren't the same [05:51] which is why I'm saying *don't* special case it yet, just pester james_w with your use case [05:51] oh [05:52] if we're writing a toolchain to set it up automatically/trivially it isn't a great use of your time to scale the learning curve for one package right now [05:52] ok [05:52] IMO of course. If you want to do it regardless - the bzr-merge-into plugin is what you'll need to join the two branches together. [05:53] his email is jamesw@ubuntu.com ? [05:53] check the directory [05:53] I don't recall offhand [05:54] ok [05:58] Aww, bzr join no worky for me [05:59] But bzr split works! Funky. bzr-mirror.gnome.org just got a lot more awesome. [06:03] RAOF: happy to please [06:03] Hrm. Something in the hardy-proposed/updates jungle is broken. http://www.pastebin.ca/1060232 [06:14] When is Ubuntu going to start using gfxboot with grub? openSUSE and Linux Mint have the right idea. grub in ubuntu is ugly. and makes ubuntu look unpolished. === asac_ is now known as asac [06:18] Yay for a drive-by feature request [06:18] Wasn't that one of those many apps that won't work on !x86? [06:19] StevenK: yeah, 'ive had the misfortune of watching that. [06:19] I thought it also rendered some machines unbootable [06:19] Well, if it failed then presumably the bootloader does, too. [06:25] RAOF: But non-x86 architectures use different boot loaders. [06:26] TheMuso: I was sure grub supported more than x86. Doesn't it? [06:26] RAOF: Grub2 des i think, but I am not sure about grub that Ubuntu uses. [06:26] s/des/does/ [06:27] The vagries of boot loaders. Hm. [06:31] good morning [06:32] bdmurray: can you merge thekorn's fix for making the HTML connector work again or did you find any problems with it? [06:32] hey dholbach [06:32] hi Hobbsee [06:42] Good Morning folks :) [06:47] damn cheap connection [06:48] nxvl: find a better one? [06:49] Hobbsee: there is no better one [06:49] just 1 ISP [06:49] nxvl: where are you? [06:49] Lima Peru [06:49] ahhh, drat. [06:50] the governmet sign a contract with Telefonica giving them the monopoly for several years [06:50] ugh [06:50] nxvl: I feel your pain. [06:50] and it has just expire so the 1st ISPs are shoing up, but they don't have good coverage [06:50] 1sts* [06:51] jpds: where are you from? [06:51] Hobbsee: can you belive that they sell you a bandwith but they only ensure the 10% of it? [06:52] nxvl: Right now I'm in Spain with Telefonica as ISP (cos they're the only ones who reach here). [06:52] heh [06:52] :D [06:52] heh [06:52] on the bright side, it could be worse [06:53] it could be Telstrafonica [06:53] * StevenK shivers [06:53] here we call them timofonica, timo = swindle [07:01] Good morning [07:01] Morning pitti [07:02] morning! [07:02] ogra: versioned sysv-rc dependency> no, it's not needed any more [07:03] slangasek: Even Telstra doesn't give it as badly as what those guys have to experience. [07:03] i just love when upstream projects take care of your suggestions/patches [07:03] TheMuso: Telstrafonica would be a merger that adopts the worst practices of each, standard operating procedure for corporate mergers :) [07:04] BenC: I'll get to MIRs today, yes [07:04] slangasek: This is true. [07:04] well [07:04] pitti: morning [07:04] when i call them for techincal support i end up giving them technical support [07:05] superm1: modaliases> first, the standard kernel one, then /usr/share/jockey/modaliases/, then /usr/share/linux-restricted-modules//modules.alias.override/ [07:05] one time a technical comes here because my bandwith was the half or less than i really have, and he said it was a problem on my router! [07:06] hey pitti! [07:06] fabbione, ogra: I didn't try dvb-t drivers on intrepid yet, sorry; I'm still on hardy; if there is a patch I should apply to my driver package, I can do that, of course [07:08] Riddell: right, looks ok [07:09] Riddell: accepted [07:10] hey slangasek, hi Hobbsee, moin StevenK [07:16] pitti, so for the purposes of nvidia/fglrx, where do you think you would like to see it placed? Probably the second one. [07:16] it's sole purpose is for the jockey enablement [07:20] superm1: the third path was meant for that actually [07:21] superm1: oh, for dkms packaging? [07:21] pitti, but the kernel version isn't known [07:21] superm1: yes, then the second one [07:21] okay. i'll upload a fix sometime tomorrow then to use that second one [07:22] pitti : i was searching for you over the last couple of days. [07:22] bliZZardz: I was on holiday [07:23] pitti : yea - your status said that you were away for 4 days. welcome back :) [07:23] pitti : I wanted to know some internals of Dbus and how it is being used in Gnome [07:23] bliZZardz: not sure how much I can be of help there, but what's your q? [07:25] pitti : (1) Does dbus use sockets for communication?if not, which is the IPC mechanism? (2) how id dbus different from a typical message queue? (3) How it is being 'actually' used across applications? - as in , is this like a callback mechanism for across-applications? [07:26] (1) yes, it uses standard Unix sockets [07:26] bliZZardz: (2) what is a 'typical message queue'? [07:27] bliZZardz: d-bus' complexity is somewhat in between a socket and corba [07:27] bliZZardz: d-bus has signals, method calls, callbacks, and data type marshalling/handling [07:27] closing in on corba daily [07:28] bliZZardz: (3) there are two classes of use cases: (1) session bus, where programs on the session bus communicate with each other; e. g. totem tells gnome-screensaver to disable while a video is playing [07:29] heh [07:29] and the system bus, where programs from the user session access system-wide functionality (usually access restricted); e. g. nautilus gets aware of a new USB drive by HAL, and then issues a mount [07:29] pitti can always help on anything, no matter what he says [07:29] :D [07:29] that's why we love pitti [07:29] bliZZardz: callback> something similar; programs can 'subscribe' to signals, which indicate status changes [07:30] nxvl : you bet ;) [07:30] * pitti hugs nxvl [07:30] * nxvl HUGS pitti back [07:30] pitti : callbacks more like 'intra-process' communication [07:30] nxvl: well, with "d-bus internals" I was afraid of something like marshalling formats :) [07:30] * bliZZardz hugs everyone...provided you smell good and of opp gender ;) [07:30] pitti : that was my next Q :) [07:31] * pitti tries to estimate the probability of hugging a girl when picking a random member of #ubuntu-devel [07:31] * bliZZardz concludes probability = ZERO [07:31] bliZZardz: not true [07:31] ugh, launchpad is broken [07:32] nxvl : ?? [07:32] bliZZardz: i'm looking for some bugs and i only get error messages [07:34] * jussi01 hugs Hobbsee [07:34] nxvl : interesting. what did you search ;) ? [07:35] i first get it going to b.e.lp.n/ubuntu [07:35] which is really odd [07:35] * Hobbsee hugs jussi01 back :) [07:35] pitti: almost 0, yeah. [07:36] better chances in #kubuntu-devel [07:41] pitti: nah.. i was just trying to figure out if my driver is broken or the kernel subsystem. Not sure .26 needs new userland [07:42] pitti : will it be possible to do a code-walkthrough of Dbus? (i get confused when i look at it; or can you point me to some tutorials which would be of some help) [07:47] bliZZardz: that's where it becomes internal; I read very little of the d-bus code myself [07:47] bliZZardz: what kind of tutorial? http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-tutorial.html is a nice one for programmers [07:50] pitti: btw... what drivers do you have in your ppa? or is it only userland stuff? [07:50] because i can reproduce this problem using latest mercurial from linux-dvb [07:50] fabbione: it's a pretty recent snapshot of the upstream dvb-t hg tree, DKMSified [07:50] and it's basically the same as in .26-rc8 [07:50] or whatever is the current git from linus [07:51] ok so it's pretty much the same crack [07:51] pitti: do you use dvb-t? [07:51] fabbione: yes, I have a card [07:51] ok [07:51] I don't *actually* watch TV, I just bought it for playing around [07:51] ehhehe [07:52] fabbione: the soccer championship was the first time I actually watched TV :) [07:52] ROFL [07:52] nxvl : LP is sick , i guess .. i went on to file a bug , and saw one more bug in the process :) [07:54] slomo: do you have an idea about bug 197763 - somebody pinged me about it [07:54] Launchpad bug 197763 in seahorse "panel menu entry doesn't show correct icon" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197763 [08:00] hmmmmmmmmmmmm [08:00] pitti: looks like downgrading the kernel doesn't solve the problem..... [08:01] * fabbione tries to go back to a known working version [08:01] fabbione: what is the problem? [08:01] fabbione: I noticed that if I build the tree, some modules from l-u-m break (especially the alsa related) [08:01] when i try to scan for channels, it timeouts [08:01] I tried to build linux-dvb against the l-u-m headers as well, but that didn't seem to have worked :( [08:02] oh [08:02] scan -n /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/dk-All [08:02] WARNING: filter timeout pid 0x0011 [08:02] etc. [08:02] this used to work [08:02] pitti: all the header stuff is a very well known packaging issue but i thought it was addressed [08:15] BenC: makedumpfile promoted, and bug 244780 tossed towards you [08:15] Launchpad bug 244780 in makedumpfile "fix debian/copyright" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244780 [08:16] pitti: this smells like userland brekage [08:16] warp10: did you get my reply wrt. gbemol? I didn't get an updated package, and debomatic.linuxdc.it times out [08:16] pitti: somewhere that is not even related to dvb-utils [08:17] pitti: I just sent you an email. BTW, I uploaded gbemol on mentors.debian.net [08:17] fabbione: oh, good to know; hm, but where else then? maybe a slight change in glibc 2.8? [08:17] warp10: ah, good [08:18] warp10: I still have tons of email to dig through after my vac, but I'll get to it [08:18] pitti: no problem, take your time, and thank you for sponsoring! :) [08:19] heno, slangasek: many thanks for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RCBugTargetting; finally some guidelines \o/ [08:19] pitti: dunno yet... there are so many places where it might be broken [08:20] fabbione: do you see a long hang in strace? [08:20] pitti: i can see the ioctl timing out... [08:22] ok this is going to take a fair amount of time.. [08:23] pitti: i will give you a head up once i get somewhere more solid [08:41] fabbione: good luck! thanks [09:12] thekorn: hiya - did bdmurray say anything about merging your intrepid.merge branch? [09:14] thekorn: it'd be nice to have it in .main - http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ is broken without it :) [09:15] dholbach: hi, definitely. I think I will do the merge when I'm back home later today [09:15] * dholbach hugs thekorn [09:15] thekorn: you ROCK :) [09:15] there are no other words for it... you rock! :) [09:18] * thekorn hugs dholbach [09:22] pitti: found the problem... kernel bug [09:22] hah [09:25] asac: when's nm 0.7 planned to go into intrepid? [09:25] my 0.6 version is not behaving at all, yet the hardy version does. [09:25] and once again udev dropped the vbi symlink patch [09:25] * fabbione sighs [09:26] fabbione, waht chipset is that ? wht driver are you using ? [09:27] HVR3000 [09:27] cx88-dvb [09:28] hmm [09:29] ogra: http://www.fabbione.net/hvr3000-fix-init.diff [09:29] easy fix [09:29] i'm using dvb-usb-umt-010 and know there is one special fix i need [09:30] oh, wow, thas bigger then the one i need :) mine is only changing a 20 to a 10 i the defines .... [09:30] run it though timg, he'll surely commit it asap [09:32] s/tmg/rtg/ [09:38] pitti: np [09:39] Hobbsee: consider to test the 0.7 packages in ~network-manager PPA [09:40] ogra: well.. my original patch is here: http://dev.kewl.org/hauppauge/mfe-7285.diff === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [09:40] ogra: but that's to support dvb-t + dvb-s at the same time [09:40] asac: right, will try tomorrow [09:40] your card can do thyt ? [09:40] *that [09:40] * ogra is impressed .... [09:41] ogra: yes.. mine can do dvb-t dvb-s analog tv, radio and usual RGB/s-video stuff [09:41] i have two separate cards for that (and dont actualy use either :P ) [09:41] well i also have other dvb-s cards.. but no extra dvb-t [09:42] the program selection for dvb-t in the area where i live sucks anyway, so i'm not really after it ... i sometimes use it if my GF wants to look somethig i dont so i go upstaris and whatch in my office :) [09:42] but thats very rare [09:42] ogra: i have 3 channels here from -t [09:44] well, i have 7 or so .. but the content isnt really great :) they dont allow private stations into the dvb net .... [09:44] s/dvb/dvb-t/ [09:44] gotcha [09:45] was nvidia-glx-new pulled from repos in last day or so? [09:45] the 2.6.26 version [09:46] i dont think it ever entered [09:46] the drivers were working before i reinstalled now they are not [09:46] as far as i heard the closed driver stuff is being reworked atm [09:46] this happened on sunday IIRC [09:47] so it would surprise me if the old nvidia stuff even enters itrepid [09:47] ah ok thanks i will boot 2.6.24 than [09:47] pitti: I'm already building those pidgin updates, just to let you know so you don't duplicate work there [09:47] pitti: got the intltool errors? [09:48] seb128: oh, thanks; I was just doing the same and wondered about the intltool FTBFS [09:48] pitti: that's a classic one, either intltoolize needs to be run or intltool not to be installed [09:48] that's a bug in the package but not new [09:48] but intltool is a build dep [09:48] ok, so that's not it [09:49] it doesn't happen in a pbuilder or on the buildd [09:49] Global symbol "@INTLTOOL_ICONV" requires explicit package name at ../../intltool-merge line 96. [09:49] but happens on my boxes if I don't run intltoolize [09:49] dunno why, I never bothered debugging it [09:49] it looks like some .in file was copied instead of macro-processed? [09:49] but that's buggy this way since before hardy [09:49] seb128: ok, so you are building test packages in a pbuilder? [09:50] * pitti hugs seb128, thanks for taking care about this [09:50] asac: ppa nm is working pretty well, modulo its odd new behaviours. I don't seem to be having to kill wpa_supplicant either :) [09:50] yes, or just run intltoolize -c -f for the intrepid build [09:50] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:51] asac: yep, works well for me too, good work! [09:53] asac: I am getting some syslog entries about security policies preventing it acquiring "the NetworkManagerSystemSettings service" though [09:53] Ng: so no two instances running after resume? [09:54] Ng: do you have /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSystemSettings.service ? [09:55] * ogra points asac and Ng to d-feet ... awesome dbus debugger [09:56] ogra: i think we are not yet there, but thanks ;) [09:57] ogra++ [09:58] *** Hardy.1 candidate images are now up at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all Please help test! *** [09:59] heno: fwiw, I unfortunately have one more respin of the desktop images to do (excluding kubuntu/kubuntu-kde4, which are done) [09:59] I should have done it earlier, but I was fighting with the larger archive problem :/ [10:00] slangasek, but alternate are ready to test ? [10:00] yes [10:00] slangasek: ok, good thing I've been focusing on alternate then :) [10:00] pitti: the pidgin build issue is due to automake1.10 apparently, the patches probably change some timestamp and the build system decided to run the autotools-1.10, if they are not available the build works correctly, if they are available somebody gets screwed [10:01] ogra@osiris:~/Isos/hardy$ rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/20080701/hardy-alternate-i386.iso hardy-alternate-i386.iso [10:01] receiving file list ... [10:01] rsync: link_stat "/daily/20080701/hardy-alternate-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2) [10:01] hmm [10:01] * ogra checks the link [10:02] ogra: you're missing a /hardy/ [10:02] see the notes at the bottom [10:02] seb128: ah, ok; that's not a build dep, thus explains the issue [10:02] rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/hardy/daily/current/hardy-alternate-i386.iso [10:02] james_w, i copy pasted the link from the iso tracker [10:02]