[02:11] Jack_Sparrow: repeat offender? [02:11] yep [02:12] Ill remove it in a minute [04:47] Agent_bob called the ops in #kubuntu (see about CoffinSaver (spam_bot) please.) [04:49] Budget_Casket (n=kjkdsajk@203.162.3.156) CoffinSaver n=kjkdsajk@c-24-10-126-24.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) so far so I banned *!?=kjkdsajk@* [05:49] Good day. Could someone either bless or replace the bug announce bot that is now in ubuntu-bugs-announce? mrooney is the wrangler for MikeBotu [05:50] Essentially, I don't want it to die just for being a bot, as it provides a good service, but if the bot is otherwise unfortunate, something else ought do that job. [05:52] persia: er, what? [05:53] Hobbsee: mrooney put a bug-announce bot in ubuntu-bugs-announce. Having a bug announce bot is good. On the other hand, there's typically a no-bots policy. [05:53] persia: that's fine. [05:53] I just wanted to either get that bot specifically permitted so it didn't run afoul of the no bots policy, or for someone to put an already whitelisted bot there. [05:53] Ah. Cool. Thanks. [05:53] persia: well, prior to this, i doubt many people knew about it :) [05:53] persia: the standard stuff about keeping it silent where it's not supposed to be, etc, apply [05:54] It just started up about three hours ago. [05:54] oh :) [05:55] persia: it shoudln't be a problem [05:55] Hobbsee: Thanks for the confirmation. Just wanted to make sure. [05:55] persia: OTOH, i'm not actually on the team anymore [05:56] Hobbsee: That's OK. You've probably extracted sufficient detail from my that if anyone else has an opinion, it can be resolved with mrooney in a collaborative manner. [05:57] Hobbsee I don't think you'll be allowed to do that, by the way ;) [05:58] nickrud: why? [06:00] someone has to agitate for improvements. I don't think you should give up this easily (or, from my perspective, seems easily) [06:01] nickrud: One doesn't have to hold a role to comment. Frequently, it's easier to comment when one doesn't have a role. [06:02] * persia runs away, suddenly reminded as to the name of the channel [06:02] persia very true, I've been vocal for years. Only got sucked into this recently myself [06:10] nickrud: yeah, i can see hwo it might be seen as giving up [06:10] nickrud: hopefully it'll be for the greater good, though [06:10] Hobbsee if it's ok with you, I'll think of it as a sabbatical [06:36] ban evasion number 3 from ragasagar [06:36] err ragsagar [06:37] 3rd ban evasion sufficient reason to ban again? [06:39] ragsagar (n=ragsagar@59.93.27.197) has joined #ubuntu [06:40] In ubottu, calcmandan said: !kwallet is a subsystem that provides a convenient and secure way to manage all your passwords. KWallet Manager serves a number of functions. Firstly it allows you to see if any wallets are open, which wallets those are, and which applications are using each wallet. You can disconnect an application's access to a wallet from within the KWallet Manager. For more information, visit https://help.ubuntu.com/co [06:41] okay..absent any guidance on this issue, will ban for 3rd ban evasion. [06:45] bazhang: er, how is it ban evasion, if he's not banned in teh first place? [06:47] Hobbsee, were the bantracker bans cleared? [06:49] the same user using different IPs is not considered ban evasion? Am I getting this mixed up? [06:51] bazhang: no, it is considered ban evasion [06:52] * Hobbsee would have considered the first evasion ban evasion, too [06:52] hadn't realised it was on different IP's [06:52] Hobbsee, well he is banned for that name (ragsagar), also kracker, and now ragsagar again [06:53] ahhh [06:53] "mediation" was a series of expletives quite a long while ago (more than two weeks iirc) [06:53] yeha, go ahead. that's pretty clear evasion [06:53] heh [06:53] gotta love people like tat [06:54] then as 'kracker' he was laying the f-bomb on trit-ium and myself after repeated warnings to watch the language (apart from the whole ban evasion issue) [06:54] tasty. [06:55] why are you even in negotiations with this guy, again? [06:56] Hobbsee, difficult to see how mediation will help at this point [06:56] well, yeah [06:56] honestly, i'd leave it for a couple mroe weeks, and see if the guy comes back sane. [06:57] no need to take excessive abuse [06:57] at least he is not quoting the bible or siccing botnets on the network, so there is that. [06:57] heh [06:58] hi Jordan_U :) [07:03] bazhang, hi [07:17] disinformation express rides again [07:18] örg [07:19] robg [07:19] good morning [07:21] !kwallet [07:21] Factoid kwallet not found [07:21] objections? ^ [07:22] oh, too long [07:25] bazhang: I see what you mean [07:26] Myrtti, :) [07:51] Shadow420: I do not have the impression that software is able to destroy hardware [07:58] oh, it is. [08:32] Morning all [08:32] evening [08:33] my car doesn't start. [08:33] Hobbsee: doh! what kind of car? [08:35] jussi01: 2005 toyota yaris. looks like a battery issue. [08:36] Hobbsee: ouch. that sucks. did you leave the lights on? [08:36] nope [08:37] at least, i don't think so [08:37] Hobbsee: not even the internal light [08:38] ikonia: i don't *think* so. [08:38] the doors usually shut properly [08:38] I've turned the light on to check something and forgot tot turn it off, so it stayed on with the door shut, killed my battery [08:38] could just be a faulty battery too [08:39] Hobbsee, Can't be push / jump started ? [08:41] Jordan_U: i just called the roadside assistance, so they'll come out and fix it. [08:41] Jordan_U: i really don't want it to die again, where there will be no one around, at work, coming hom eagain [08:43] RACV - Where you are a member, not a number... call up, first thig they ask, could I have your membership number please? [08:45] eyeball on blessed_guess: pining the #ubuntu channel [08:46] jussi01: hehe, yeah, ours does that too. [08:46] Hobbsee: :D [08:46] jussi01: actually, they asked me for rego number and name, whcih is probably quicker. [08:47] they usually ask for membership number [08:47] true, but its kinda dfunny [08:48] does anyone remember from Ubuntu planet, there's been these meme things with people listing the apps they've got open [08:49] many are running gnome-terminal and there's been an upcoming trend to use Terminator, but what was the another "newish" term app that people have been using? [08:49] I'm getting frustrated with xfce4-terminal and screen co-operation [08:49] eterm ? [08:51] * jussi01 huggles yakuake [08:52] perhaps it was tilda [08:54] which tries the same as yakuake [08:56] * jussi01 wishes tere was a planet.ubuntu.com archive [08:56] I ♥ rssowl [08:59] grrhhh [09:03] there [09:03] better [09:04] now the question is "what about urls" [09:43] *yawn* [10:33] In ubottu, Agent_bob said: whoa is my owner is a weney, but folds around here like him anyway :))) [11:13] woo, headache [12:14] hmm, where do i know the nick 'agent_bob' from? [12:24] caveat emptor [12:27] o.O [12:31] ragsagar again? [12:31] hm? [12:31] this is 4th ban evasion in two days [12:31] Why is he evading? [12:33] rhetorically speaking? [12:36] @btlogin [12:37] i assume the same reason any twit evades [12:37] bazhang: was it just stupid advice giving and general annoyingness the first time? [12:38] PriceChild, if the bar were only set that low. [12:46] first ban was : during mute/mediation he switched nicks and re-entered channel [12:47] second ban was as ban evasion ragsagar [12:47] what was he muted for? [12:47] third was kracker laying f-bombs on trit-ium and myself after repeated warnings (apart from ban evasion) [12:48] fourth-->well if ban evasion is okey-dokey then there will be no fourth ban [12:48] ban evasion is supposed to be a network no-no afaik [12:57] elky: agent_bob is intelikey [12:58] can be a little annoying, but generally a good helper [12:58] oh. [13:00] well, at this point he shall remain unbanned for this fourth offense-->not really sure about policy in this regard anymore. [13:15] oh lovely. user 'knoppix' in #ubuntu is arbitrarily messaging people... [13:15] oh, why the heck am i opped up in there? [13:16] better than arbitrarily massaging people. [13:16] Pici, intent still unknown. [13:17] elky: nothing you can really do about it, unfortunately [13:17] Hobbsee, plenty i *can* do about it... [13:17] elky: not long term, though. [13:17] * PriceChild hopes that wasn't another dig at freenode [13:17] well [13:17] Hobbsee, not within certain rulesets either. [13:17] elky: *grin* [13:18] PriceChild, well... freenode does share some of the rules, but no. [13:20] the reason for ragsagar's initial mute was abusiveness towards others and continued after warnings to the best of my and the logs recollections. [13:20] * elky rather wonders why some high-profile project names are registrable though... we'd at least be able to comment on the user 'debian' that harrasses #freenode without insulting a major upstream [13:21] seveas owns ubuntu iirc. [13:21] er, the nick rather. [13:21] Pici, yep. but for the same reasons that it shouldnt be registrable [13:22] anyway, i need an early night... if half an hour earlier than usual is considered an 'early night' [13:22] Goodnight then ;) [13:24] if aggression towards others is not a acceptable rationale for a simple mute, then the channel will soon be unusable. [13:25] bazhang: which makes it very important that people are actually behaving in similar ways, yes. Good luck in judging what might be right or wrong, when that isn't happening. [13:26] bazhang: i would assume that the general view is that it's not acceptable. [13:26] okay Hobbsee thanks. [13:27] np [13:58] Pici: I was just wondering why you're applying for membership in EMEA meeting... that's all. [13:58] Myrtti: The time works out better for me. [13:58] okies [13:59] I was 'huh?'ing about the remark of not applying on some depreciated page anyway. [13:59] oh [13:59] your name is still there [13:59] or was yesterday [13:59] Where? [14:00] Or, rather, which was the depreciated page? [14:00] ubuntu membership based on coding/maintaining packages or other [14:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [14:00] !membershio [14:00] Factoid membershio not found [14:00] !membership [14:00] Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember [14:00] bazhang: Based on all sorts of things [14:00] right. [14:01] bazhang: Mostly IRC support for me ;) [14:01] Pici, :) thanks-->then you are a shoo-in [14:01] Pici: ^ [14:02] A few weeks ago, someone was remarking about the cloaks in here and was surprised that I wasn't a member already. [14:02] entirely understandable. [14:03] cloaking device ENGAGE! [14:05] * Pici is a bit ashamed that he knows that the federation doesnt allow cloaking devices [14:05] did you take your name off already? [14:05] Huh? [14:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [14:06] Myrtti: Oh, no, I forgot. /me removes [14:21] Pici: it was part of the kidimere accord that the federation would not research cloaking technology, this treaty was endagered by Admiral Eric Pressman by using experimental phased cloaking technology on the US Pegasus [14:21] Pici: now tell me your ashamed ;) [14:22] ahhh the treaty of algeron, not the kidimer accord [14:23] ikonia: Impressive, ;) [14:23] I cannot be beat [14:23] I want my head to be shot off [14:23] why do I get these headaches at the most inconvenient times [14:28] bazhang: I wasn't questioning you earlier, just interested in the background. [14:28] Is there a convenient time for a headache? [14:30] PriceChild, good to keep me on my toes :) [14:30] Pici: when you don't have anything urgent to do and can just mellow in bed [14:32] that's why drinking is often timed to the weekends [14:32] because then you can mellow in bed for saturday [14:32] or sunday [14:34] head feels like exploding soon [14:34] better take that headache pill [14:34] why do people drink? I don't enjoy it at all [14:41] if this headache doesn't go away soon, it'll go even worse to a point where I'm vomiting [14:43] root beer helps an upset tummy [14:44] Sounds pretty horrible, I'm glad I don't suffer from migranes. [14:45] bazhang: flat ginger ale too [14:45] good to know, thanks! [14:46] @now Helsinki [14:46] Myrtti: Current time in Europe/Helsinki: May 27 2008, 16:48:25 - Next meeting: EMEA Ubuntu Membership Approval Board in 6 hours 11 minutes [14:47] goarh [14:47] that late [14:47] Its only at 4pm here [14:48] well atleast I'll have time to try to get this thunderstorm from my head [14:48] :( [14:48] and the medicine seems to be working somewhat [14:49] this is why I love ketoprofein [14:52] DJones called the ops in #ubuntu (iou) [14:53] Is is worth doing soemthing similar to proxy users for ipv6 users?# [14:53] fun [14:53] ooh the bible guy [14:54] PriceChild: The only reason for removing that ban is if you klined him. [14:54] Mez: why? [14:54] Mez: How would that be beneficial? [14:54] Amaranth: see a few lines above [14:54] For the fact that the only iPv6 users we have atm are trouble makers- and it'd get rid of quite a few from the get-go ? [14:55] better tell everyone to fold up shop; this guy means business. [14:56] there, headache gone ♥ well almost [14:56] Amaranth: see it? [14:56] I think I can go get some minced meat if I'm careful and wear sunglasses [14:56] and a cap. [14:56] PriceChild: That's a bit harsh, no? [14:56] Amaranth: This is a repeat offender [14:56] Of course I have no idea how IPv6 addresses are allocated.... [14:57] But you seem to have blocked a large group [14:57] Amaranth: ipv6 is designed so that end users get /64 or /48... i forget how much... this guy will just come back near immediately [14:57] Mez: I see at least two ipv6 people in #ubuntu and I'm still scrolling [14:57] Amaranth: I'm unsure how much of that address is his, but i'm reasonably confident it won't get a false positive before he changes and returns [14:59] ragsagar is back [14:59] Also, its a person, not a bot. Someone who could probably follow directions if we set up a lobby channel. [14:59] Last time it took him around a day to return to devel iirc [15:00] even ipv4 (in the case of ragsagar) is easily gotten around [15:02] well he is only on his 4th ban evasion, and the bible guy is at eight.. [15:03] remember with evaders, klines etc. are as effective as bans [15:03] bazhang: I dont think a k-line is flexable enough for this sort of thing. Probably the same issues as the ban masks [15:03] yep [15:04] just ban ragsagar again then? [15:04] have a chat first [15:04] last time I chatted was a string of invectives then a ban evasion during the 'chat' [15:04] hehe [15:05] not so sure he got the message.. [15:44] iop bible guy [15:44] soundray called the ops in #ubuntu (iop) [15:45] beat you ubottu [15:46] iop has quit (K-lined) yay! [15:46] bazhang: why not just mute/ban him yourself? [15:46] Pici, too slow; you already had him [15:47] bazhang: But you announced it in here.. ? [15:47] I was /cs kb io and he was gone [15:47] ah [15:47] thought the name was not sufficient iirc [15:58] Joshua 16 [15:58] Allotment for Ephraim and Manasseh [15:58] 1 The allotment for Joseph began at the Jordan of Jericho, [a] east of the waters of Jerich, and went up from there through the desert into the hill country of Bethel. 2 It went on from Bethel (that is, Luz), [b] crossed over to the territory of the Arkites in Ataroth, 3 descended westward to the territory of the Japhletites as far as the region of Lower Beth HHoron and on to Gezer, ending at the sea. 4 So Manasseh and Ephraim, the desc [15:58] 5 This was the territory of Ephraim, clan by clan: [15:58] The boundary of their inheritance went from Ataroth Addar in the east to Upper Beth Horon 6 and continued to the sea. From Micmethath on the north it curved eastward to Taanath Shiloh, passing by it to Janoah on the east. 7 Then it went down from Janoah to Ataroth and Naarah, touched Jericho and came out at the Jordan. 8 From Tappuah the border went west to the Kanah Ravine and ended at the sea. This was the inheritance of the trib [15:58] 10 They did not dislodge the Canaanites living in Gezer; to this day the Canaanites live among the people of Ephraim but are required to do forced labor [15:59] Joshua 16 [15:59] Allotment for Ephraim and Manasseh [16:00] * PriceChild wonders why chanserv deopped him [16:04] Joshua 19 [16:04] Allotment for Simeon [16:04] 1 The second lot came out for the tribe of Simeon, clan by clan. Their inheritance lay within the territory of Judah. 2 It included: [16:04] Beersheba (or Sheba), [a] Moladah, 3 Hazar Shual, Balah, Ezem, 4 Eltolad, Bethul, Hormah, 5 Ziklag, Beth Marcaboth, Hazar Susah, 6 Beth Lebaoth and Sharuhen.thirteen towns and their villages; [16:04] 7 Ain, Rimmon, Ether and Ashan.four towns and their villages- 8 and all the villages around these towns as far as Baalath Beer (Ramah in the Negev). [16:05] This was the inheritance of the tribe of the Simeonites, clan by clan. 9 The inheritance of the Simeonites was taken from the share of Judah, because Judah's portion was more than they needed. So the Simeonites received their inheritance within the territory of Judah. [16:05] Allotment for Zebulun [16:05] 10 The third lot came up for Zebulun, clan by clan: [16:05] PriceChild: [16:05] rtyui: dude, go away. [16:05] !staff [16:05] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw or Gary I could use a bit of your time :) [16:05] poor ryan [16:06] He really likes you [16:06] apparently so [16:08] tomaw: can't you just stop the entire subnet connecting? [16:08] Sorry about that ryanakca. [16:08] Hobbsee: that changes too [16:08] * Hobbsee forwards the subnet to here, for a start [16:08] I think the 2001:470 has stayed the same, but can't be sure [16:08] PriceChild: looks like they've all been from 2001:470:1f14:e8:ac3f:43ea:a32e: coming in here [16:09] I was referring to past activity in -devel also [16:09] * PriceChild reminds himself about what his triggers do. [16:09] darn. [16:10] * Hobbsee wonders just how many people are on that subnet. [16:10] * PriceChild wonders what exactly was klined. [16:10] Hobbsee: save yourself from the pain and don't wonder ;-) [16:11] tilda is nice for everything else but irssi... *sigh* [16:15] Myrtti: terminator is better :P [16:15] where is hurricane electric anyways? [16:15] bazhang: dallas, why? [16:16] bazhang: "whois he.net" [16:16] Hobbsee, Seeker` thanks [16:16] looking at it, it appears to be in multiple places. [16:16] just trying to figure out the real motivation behind this crankcase [16:17] many companies, and individuals, would be leasing stuff out of that DC [16:18] bazhang: er, you do realise that HE has a free, ipv6 tunnel, don't you? [16:18] # Ability to get your own /48 prefix once your tunnel is up [16:18] so, presumably these are different tunnels [16:18] Hobbsee, he? [16:19] so you're only going to be able to block the /48's individually [16:19] bazhang: hurricane electric. [16:19] Hobbsee, sorry my mistake :) [16:19] so could, be a 'she' :) [16:20] Joshua 21 [16:20] Towns for the Levites [16:20] 1 Now the family heads of the Levites approached Eleazar the priest, Joshua son of Nun, and th heads of the other tribal families of Israel 2 at Shiloh in Canaan and said to them, "The LORD commanded through Moses that you give us towns to live in, with pasturelands for our livestock." 3 So, as the LORD had commanded, the Israelites gave the Levites the following towns and pasturelands out of their own inheritance: 4 The first [16:20] tomaw: and again. [16:21] tomaw: can you ban that /48? [16:21] that might stop the trouble today [16:21] (as it seems that my forward worked?) [16:22] it does indeed :) [16:23] frankly that guy is freaking me out a bit. [16:23] bazhang: why? he's a freaking nutcase, plain and simple. [16:23] Please have an eye on boselect in #ubuntu [16:25] tomaw: and again. [16:25] tomaw: you need more efficient klines. [16:25] soundray: they already left [16:25] Seeker`: in theory yes. I've been unable to input such rare characters as @, ä, ö and å in it, though. [16:25] got him. [16:26] woo, now å äö works, but not @ [16:27] Myrtti: The channel is #terminator if you want to report bugs, or launchpad *hinthint* [16:27] ytrewq: fail. [16:27] ytrewq: i win, you lose. please go away and die. [16:28] then we'll see how you get dealt with. === Hobbsee_ is now known as FlyingSpaghettiM [16:29] * Hobbsee is amused. [16:30] he still hasn't realised. [16:31] tomaw: so, er... [16:31] tomaw: can i ask a question? [16:31] * Hobbsee muhahahahahaha [16:31] * Hobbsee wins. [16:32] Hobbsee: is he muted in here? [16:32] Seeker`: backscroll [16:32] Seeker`: [16:25]* Hobbsee sets ban on %*!*@2001:470:1f14:e8:ac3f:43ea:a32e:* [16:32] Seeker`: yup [16:32] Seeker`: forwarded from #ubuntu to here, and muted in here. [16:32] cool [16:33] nalioth: woudl it be wrong to save you guys some work, and forward him to an autokline channel? [16:33] If they exist it would most definitely be wrong for you to do that Hobbsee. [16:33] Hobbsee: sure, you can ask [16:33] haha [16:33] ha [16:33] hi ppw [16:33] I win [16:33] sodding git. [16:34] kline away... [16:34] he wins, for small values of win [16:34] try %*!*@2001:470:1f14:e8:ac3f:* [16:35] hmmm? [16:35] so nwo i've got both of them. [16:35] that's not right ^ [16:35] nalioth: is that ban right? [16:35] nope [16:35] it is stupd irssi [16:36] yay for Myrtti [16:37] this is what i was trying to do: /mode #ubuntu-ops +b %2001:470:1f14:e8::/64 [16:37] copypaste always works [16:37] irssi fails [16:37] err [16:37] nalioth: banning - you're doing it wrong [16:37] /mode +b %*!*@2001:470:1f14:e8:ac3f:* [16:38] * nalioth sees it just happned again [16:38] Myrtti: cut it off at the e8, please [16:38] cheat. [16:40] is :470: equal to :0470: or :4700: [16:40] 0470 [16:40] i 'think' the first... but would have to check to be sure [16:41] trailing digits make a difference, leading ones do not [16:44] * PriceChild wishes he had an ipv6 address somewhere to have a play [16:44] PriceChild: those tunnels are free... [16:45] Maybe its my lucky day then! [16:45] you can use a IPv6 tunnel from a "broker" [16:45] uhoh [16:45] * Hobbsee sighs [16:46] be back in a little [16:46] * Hobbsee attempts to phrase, without mentioning the word "nutcase" [16:50] what exactly do the tunnels do? just route your stuff through their connection so you end up with an ipv6 address? [16:51] iirc, yes [16:51] basically send IPv6 packets over IPv4 infrastructure [16:57] bazhang: ragsagar looks back, too [16:58] Hobbsee, causing probs again? let me go look [16:59] bazhang: just saw the nickchange. [17:00] Hobbsee, he is on triple super-secret probation [17:00] ah right [17:01] if he causes no more probs, then may as well ignore him [17:05] (wow, there are a lot there0 [17:10] lo christel [17:15] * Hobbsee notes the silence. [17:15] * Hobbsee was succesful, apparently. [17:15] * Hobbsee crosses fingers [17:19] hi hi Seeker` :) [17:20] (sorry, just rejoining channels after a dc a few days ago, bit slow to respond!) :) [17:23] yep, christel, when you hang out in hundreds of channels, it takes a while to rejoin them after a client whoopsee :| [17:24] * Seeker` wonders how many channels christel is in [17:25] nalioth: painfully so! [17:26] Seeker`: around a 100 on freenode at any given time (i usually drop a few whenever ive been reconnected) and i guess about 50 across the other networks im on :) [17:27] * Seeker` has enough trouble keeping up with 20 or so [17:27] mainly because it seems to be a pain to switch to channels > 20 in irssi [17:27] pft [17:28] you don't have the correct bindings then [17:28] * PriceChild resists a bindings joke [17:28] http://koti.phnet.fi/~laxstrom/page/eng/irssi [17:28] HTH, HAND [17:28] PriceChild, hehe - but - it's soooo hard to resist [17:30] that'll get you to 99 [17:34] Myrtti, not enough for me ;) [17:35] well I think binding windows up to 999 might not be problematic either [17:36] AND YOU ALL SHOULD GET TREATMENT FOR IRC ADDICTION [17:37] /me spanks everyone with over 20 channels in irc [17:37] ow [17:37] I have trouble with three [17:37] :-D [17:37] lol [17:37] The key to having lots of channels, is to realise you needn't stay up to date with all of them. [17:37] yup [17:38] also trackbar [17:38]