[00:00] juliux: ? [00:00] Seeker`, i met ompaul at the uds and we have very very long talks;9 [00:00] cool [00:00] he is realy a cool men [00:01] bah that old fart? [00:20] you guys are all safe until Ubuntu has something in Texas [00:20] * nalioth doesn't travel [00:20] nalioth: you drive hundreds of miles [00:21] Texas is over 700 miles across [00:35] nalioth: so you are never more than 350 miles from another state [00:37] depends on how deep his basement is [00:40] Seeker`: nay. i'm about 650 miles from New Mexico [00:40] * nalioth is on the east side of Texas [00:40] In #ubuntu-offtopic, darthdegoran said: ubottu: what is the linear function of a heated pip? [00:43] nalioth: not nearer to any other state? [00:43] my american geography is poor [00:44] i'm about 70 miles from Louisiana [01:27] Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (sdgsdgdgs) [01:28] stafftook care of it [02:09] Can we get something done about the spam in #ubuntu? Yes, he uses different hosts, he is using the same user though, as easy as that is to change. Its just getting rediculous [02:09] Someone should put a ban on SinCity!*@* [02:10] Seeker` in ubuntu? [02:10] yes [02:10] look at the hosts that the spammer has connected from [02:11] at least the lsat 5 or so have been Sincity@something [02:11] and I didn't bother checking any further back [02:11] k [02:12] yeah, I just had a look, they are all Sincity@... [02:13] we'll see what that does [02:13] Seeker` I have been using a script so long I dont remember the format for it [02:14] Jack_Sparrow: IT would be /mode #ubuntu +b Sincity!*@* I think [02:14] nalioth Did you set one already? [02:15] Seeker`: no [02:15] i banned the IP fragment [02:15] k [02:15] nalioth: was he connecting from the same hosts but just with different hostmasks? [02:16] Seeker`: /mode #ubuntu +b *!?=sincity@* [02:16] nalioth I trust you to do it more than myself [02:16] Seeker`: w****r is using a shell service with dynamic hostmask capability [02:17] nalioth: whats the difference between the 2 bans? [02:18] or, rather, what is the bit before the ! for then? [02:18] Seeker`: your ban would only ban users with a nick of 'sincity' [02:18] Seeker`: my ban hits them with 'sincity' as the ident [02:18] ah, ok [02:19] the ban i instituted should keep them out for a bit [02:19] well done [02:20] so it is nick@(n|i)=something@host? [02:20] Find the guy and I will drive over to Vegas and have a word with him in person.. :) [02:21] woops, that should be a ! after nick [02:21] Seeker`: nick!ident@hostmask/or/IP [02:21] k [02:21] thanks :D [02:23] * Seeker` files that away under "Ban-Fu" [03:48] rexy_ called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (dosnubbie) [04:28] ban evasion by ragsagar (kracker yesterday) [04:29] probably something staff might like to know too [04:38] tonyyarusso, ping [04:40] bazhang: pong [04:40] tonyyarusso, ban evasion sufficient reason to ban again? [04:40] Always [04:41] ragsagar in #ubuntu kracker yesterday [04:41] bazhang: for sure. [04:41] thanks tonyyarusso Amaranth just wanted to be sure :) [05:07] are you kidding [05:08] flip2405: hi [05:08] Whats up [05:08] need some help [05:08] how can we help you? [05:10] Umm on my little panel on the bottom my trash icon is invisible not disappeard just invisible [05:10] flip2405: #ubuntu is the place [05:10] yeah [05:10] if i was unbanned like they said i would be i would happily be there [05:10] so instead ill just come here with my problems [05:11] have you not been to #ubuntu ? [05:11] umm im banned [05:11] have been for about a week week n ahalf now [05:11] Being banned from #ubuntu does not mean you can come here for such things. [05:12] @btlogin [05:12] we are only human, flip2405 [05:12] bann tracker fails [05:12] but [05:12] yes [05:12] i know [05:12] you gained quite few bans there [05:12] yesir [05:12] Amaranth: this was solved yesterday [05:13] Yeah, I see no ban for flip2405 anyway [05:13] * End of /MOTD command. [05:13] -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else [05:13] -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [05:13] * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect [05:13] * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). [05:14] Amaranth: he's racked up every known ban type. PriceChild must have just removed the obvious one [05:14] flip2405: please don't paste [05:14] i am trying to get you into #ubuntu [05:14] i was just showing you the message i got sorry [05:14] I'm not seeing anything in the ban tracker about flip2405 except removed bans [05:15] flip2405: no luck? [05:15] As i told you bantracker fails [05:15] still banned [05:15] would you like my ip [05:15] ? [05:15] How would you know anything about the bantracker? [05:16] tonyyarusso do you not remember who i am [05:16] This thing says PriceChild removed the bans, not added [05:16] But since I was not here I'll stay out of it [05:16] Yeah, the ban evader from a while back. And? [05:16] okay [05:16] so [05:16] bantracker failed the first time i came here [05:16] why it not fail now? [05:16] What do you mean? [05:16] it needs to be recoded [05:16] flip2405: why not be postive? [05:16] but flip2405, I must say you seem very....annoying [05:17] ouch that hurt [05:17] :) [05:17] "Oh, I can't ask a question in #ubuntu so I'll join #ubuntu-ops and bug them until they remove the ban" [05:17] i don't see any more bans in #ubuntu [05:17] Orly i dont remember saying that [05:17] still banned [05:17] nalioth would you like my ip [05:18] nalioth: Look for the d variety. [05:18] tonyyarusso: i removed one d ban already [05:18] i already checked real name [05:19] i don't think we have "blah" banned :P [05:19] btw [05:19] i used many nics [05:19] nicks [05:20] and proxys changing the host name [05:20] flip2405: can you still not get into the channel? [05:20] okay [05:20] In that case, I'm glad you're banned [05:20] im in [05:20] ty [05:20] nalioth: Why are you letting a ban-evading proxy user into #ubuntu? [05:20] why must you test me [05:21] Amaranth: as i told you, this was solved yesterday, but since there were 7 different bans, PriceChild didn't see them all [05:21] How do you 'solve' such a thing? [05:21] This user obviously cares zero for our rules [05:21] Amaranth: don't play dumb. it was 'resolved', ok? [05:22] If it was resolved by you and PriceChild alone I'm not sure I'm satisfied with the resolution. [05:22] check the logs, please [05:22] nalioth: I believe he's asking for you to explain the resolution.. [05:22] The resolution was i follow the rules i get unbanned [05:23] tonyyarusso: i know nothing about it except it was resolved and PriceChild removed the ban (not realizing there were multiple) [05:24] nalioth: When did PriceChild consult the people who placed the bans? [05:24] PriceChild: Yes, that's also directed right at you. [05:27] tonyyarusso: i have no knowledge of what and why, i just saw PriceChild tell him the ban was removed and so forth [05:27] I see no resolution [05:27] dunno why all the fuss . . . [05:27] nalioth: If you have no knowledge, then what makes you qualified to remove bans? [05:27] I see him saying he was told the ban was 48 hours and getting unbanned by PriceChild [05:28] Then Seeker` posted a log and everyone said he should be banned again [05:28] flip2405, you should depart please [05:28] umm when i figure out if i am being banned again or not [05:28] tonyyarusso: because PriceChild came to the resolution and unbanned him ( not knowing there were umpteen bans, i suspect he didn't remove them all ) [05:28] flip2405, no idling in here thanks [05:28] nalioth: PriceChild does not have that authority. [05:28] Hornet called the ops in #ubuntu () [05:28] because i am currently helping some one but if im going to be baned again i am going to tell him to go back to the channel im not helping [05:29] They then asked you to kline him after the threat he made [05:29] hmm [05:29] * flip2405 dont remember making a threat [05:30] flip2405, you can PM him--no idling here read the /topic [05:30] [02:09] -02:10:02- flip2405: you have a week until i come back if its not removed ill share a little video of what im doing to another irc server that will be done to this one [05:30] im not idle [05:30] ohh my botnet :) [05:30] bazhang: stand down. [05:30] my bad [05:30] okay Hobbsee [05:30] yeah i was in a rage and under stress [05:30] bazhang: :) [05:30] uhuh [05:31] How people react 'under stress' is a good indicator of who they are as a person. [05:31] No [05:31] That is where you are wrong [05:31] flip2405: stressed or not, threats are not appropriate. [05:31] under stress the mind enters a state witch is in controlable [05:32] If your first reaction is proxies and botnets that is not a good thing. [05:32] then when under stress, you should stop connecting to irc and such, where you will be held responsible for what you say. [05:33] I have no problem being held accountable for my actions. [05:33] But i think a week for argueing with a mini mod is a bit much [05:34] minimod? [05:34] in which case, you're being held accountable for threatening the network with a botnet, in which case, you probably should be klined, and not on here at all. QED. [05:34] flip2405: is there anything else we can help you with? [05:35] Hold on let me actually read your rules so i have a defence [05:35] and nalioth no thank you [05:35] ... [05:35] may i know where the rules are poste [05:35] d [05:36] !rules [05:36] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [05:36] okay because im sure in your rules it clearly states a op can not ban for personal reasons [05:36] flip2405: please define how your ban is based on personal reasons only. [05:37] flip2405: you admit the ban was not for personal reasons [05:37] The reason all this happend was because of a personal arguement with jacksparrow witch inturn banned me for an arguement me and him had [05:37] so thats how it all started [05:37] in the first place [05:38] is a ban of personal reason [05:38] [03:27] the ban was set before the pm started [05:38] [03:28] So he didn't ban you because of a personal argument [05:38] [03:28] Well no i guess for repeating my self [05:38] and it was over pm [05:38] Then you turn to proxies and foul language [05:38] Why is this not a permban? [05:38] Okay I have came to the conclusion i was repeating my self every 5 mins that would not be marked as spam seems a new user comes that can help every secound [05:39] Amaranth: because freenode hasn't issued a kline for threats of a botnet yet. [05:39] flip2405: it was 9 times in 7 minutes [05:39] Oh this is linked to freenode? [05:39] No [05:40] it wasnt 9 times in 7 mins it was more like 9 times in over 45 mins [05:40] flip2405: are you still banned? [05:40] No but I'm about to ban him again [05:40] No nalioth but i would like to clear my self [05:40] umm as i asked this is linked to freenode? [05:41] flip2405: if' youre not banned, why are you still here whining? [05:41] You were banned for repeating yourself, I may not have banned you for such a thing at that point but the ban evasion and childish actions after the fact are reasons for the ban to stay [05:42] [03:51] That's fine. You will follow them, whether you want to or not, so it's your choice whether to listen to advice and clarification about doing so. [05:42] [03:52] nixternal: sods law :P [05:42] [03:52] tony no i will just find more proxys [05:42] fun bits of log [05:42] zzz okay well now that i know i am not going to be banned again ill leave :) [05:42] okay [05:42] now im banned agin [05:42] again [05:42] so [05:43] It is not going away [05:43] Hmm okay [05:43] ill just talk to the admin of freenode [05:43] via aim [05:43] brb [05:43] And I'll be talking to PriceChild about why he thought such a ban should be removed [05:43] * Amaranth revives the get-off-freenode spec [05:44] Go for it [05:44] Amaranth: why did you ban him from #ubuntu ? [05:44] i know i will not be glined klined gzlined or any lined off freenode [05:44] he was not deserving of it [05:44] nalioth: Because he is a ban evader who threatens to use proxies and botnets [05:44] Amaranth: just speak to jono. take logs. [05:44] and he promised to follow the rules [05:45] nalioth: At this point either you're joking or I've lost all respect for you [05:45] nalioth to aggravate me into throwing around useless threats that i refuse to atm because i am in a clear state of mind [05:45] nalioth: I wouldn't even allow such a person on the network, forget about #ubuntu channels [05:45] you just made a personal feeling into a ban, Amaranth [05:45] witch is against not only your rules but freenodes rules [05:45] what good is our word if the next op along looks at the past and acts on it? [05:45] No, he just made THE NETWORK RULES into a ban. [05:46] Since the network administrators aren't enforcing them anymore. [05:46] and we're oh so glad that freenode staff have decided to continuously not enforce network rules. [05:46] ill be sure to let him know that [05:47] flip2405: freenode staff are not supposed to interfere with working of the channels on the network [05:47] flip2405: btw, playing the "i know people high up in the network" card doesn't help. [05:47] flip2405: Thus talking to some staffer doesn't help you [05:47] Amaranth: until he violates some guideline in the present, please do not ban him on his pre-promise activity [05:47] staffer? you think i know a staffer LOL @ you [05:47] nalioth: He was clearly evading bans [05:47] In the past [05:48] nalioth: The ban should never have been removed in the first place [05:48] when have i did it today? [05:48] Amaranth: yes, in the past [05:48] Amaranth: PriceChild just doesn't remove bans cuz he's breathing [05:48] That was not your call to make i was told my ban was being removed witch inturn gives me a clear slate [05:48] nalioth: Which is permban [05:48] Amaranth: it really doesn't matter what you do. if you ban, PriceChild or nalioth will just remove it, as tehy prefer quantity over quality on this network. [05:49] nalioth: PriceChild was not within team guidelines to remove all of these, and neither were you. They stay. [05:49] Amaranth: there are more efficient ways of dealing in irc, at this point. [05:49] @btlogin [05:50] * Amaranth is wondering when the "freenode staff can't be ops" rule will go into place [05:50] Clearly some conflict of interest here. [05:50] so now all the bans i don't think are warranted can be removed? [05:50] Amaranth: Preferably instantly. [05:51] Amaranth: sometime after the council is not half made up of freenode staffers... [05:51] why dont you unlink from them if you dont want them to interfear?\ [05:51] although, i guess they could be made to stand aside, due to the conflict of interest, and other ops could step in. [05:51] Hobbsee: The IRC Council is a bit of a joke anyway at this point, tbh [05:52] flip2405: Because they have their own rules that they don't interfere. [05:52] Okay so why are you guys linked to them in the first place? [05:52] so let me see, PriceChild resolves the situation, and let's say flip2405 does as promised. where is the harm in this? [05:53] nalioth: He didn't consult people as team guidelines clearly state he is supposed to, and the "resolution" is not acceptable to the original operator(s). [05:53] nalioth just leave it no sense in getting your opers takin away over me [05:53] i don't think he made the decision in a vacuum, tonyyarusso [05:53] nalioth: Seeker` (who can't remove the ban anyway) said try coming back and talking to us in 24-48 hours, flip2405 comes back in a week and when he says he was told the ban would be removed PriceChild removes it [05:53] nalioth: I don't know what he was in, but he did not consult the placing operator(s). [05:54] The end. [05:54] At the time PriceChild removed the ban there were complaints and calls for you to kline him for his threats [05:54] So clearly no resolution there. [05:54] but even if he did, don't you think that a) you can wait until PriceChild comes around to ask him or b) wait until flip2405 runs amuck and proves PriceChild is a patsy ? [05:54] nalioth: No, he is supposed to wait before removing it, not the other way around. [05:54] we have become very very vindictative here [05:54] ban ban ban [05:54] We are becoming very useless and disrespectful is what's happening. [05:55] no 2nd chances ( not even accidental ones ) [05:55] * Hobbsee mutters about staffers with a conflict of interest. [05:55] nalioth: How is using proxies to evade bans worthy of a second chance? [05:55] You should respect your fellow team members decisions, as has repeatedly been decided you should. If you aren't comfortable doing that, you have no business here. [05:55] It just says next time he breaks a rule we have to deal with the drama over again. [05:55] nalioth: second chances happen when the person is likely not to screw up again. [05:55] nalioth: not when they show absolutely no indication of going and repeating the same behaviour. [05:56] you mean he didn't immediatly start terrorizing #ubuntu as soon as he got in? [05:56] HORRORS! you mean he might actually be adhering to his promise? [05:57] Amaranth who said i was going to brake another rule 1 and 2 seriously dude Murders and rapest get secound chances and your not going to give me one over a simple proxy?? [05:57] You mean next time he breaks a rule we have to spend an hour watching for and banning the dozen proxies he uses to come back? [05:57] except if they get jailed for life, sure. [05:57] Your mockery does not help solidify yourself as a respectable team member. [05:58] Amaranth I gave my word and when i give my word you can take it to the bank [05:58] flip2405: Your first act was to destroy all trust I may have in your word [05:59] * Hobbsee goes to remove the entire banlist, on the grounds that they should all get second chances, no matter what they do. [05:59] Okay first off i never gave my word before i did it so you have no reason not to trust my word [05:59] or whether they're likely to do it again [05:59] that sounds like a freenode staff solution. [06:00] Hobbsee are you saying you have never got a secound chance at nothing not a girlfriend or something to do with the law [06:00] anything [06:00] * Hobbsee does not have a girlfriend, for a start. [06:01] same with you amaranth [06:01] * Hobbsee is straight. [06:01] okay [06:01] a boyfried [06:01] boyfriend* [06:01] Or better yet [06:01] Break a rule, then break an even worse rule avoiding the consequences of that one [06:01] sure. but i wouldn't expect to, if i started threatening people. [06:01] and what Amaranth said. [06:01] This would be easy for this situation [06:01] Then threaten to take down the whole network if we don't let you in [06:02] Three strikes, you're out. [06:02] Hobbsee are you saying you never said something during pms that you really didnt mean to say [06:02] Amaranth [06:02] i only count 2 [06:02] seems the first strike was for personal cause [06:02] flip2405: are you saying that i can say i'm going to kill you via PM, then later say that i didn't mean it, and then it be totally forgotten about? [06:02] It was not and you admitted it was not [06:03] Hobbsee yes i would forget all about it [06:03] You were banned for repeating a message over and over, any personal argument happened with that op after the fact [06:03] By your own admission [06:03] Now if you came at me with the knife and stabbed me it maybe a diff story but words dont mean nothing its the actions that cound [06:03] count* [06:03] Actions count, you're right [06:04] Proxies to evade bans [06:04] Amaranth [06:04] see [06:04] That right there is permban [06:04] but the ban was not set in place until after the argument [06:04] The rest is just the icing on the cake, so to speak [06:04] if it would have been set before the arguement then it would have not been personal cause [06:05] This discussion is going no where [06:05] We're not removing the ban [06:05] but seeming it was after the argument that would be personal cause [06:06] Amaranth , so you dont beleave no one deserves a secound chance ? [06:07] Not in this case. [06:07] Orly soo did you see me send a bot net after you [06:07] If you would have not used proxies and came back in a day or so the ban would have been removed [06:07] But you went the wrong route and proved the ban should stay [06:07] flip2405: People _earn_ second chances - they don't just ask for them and get what they want. [06:08] Tonyyarusso how shall you expect me to earn it in this situation? [06:09] You lost the chance to earn it when you started evading the ban [06:09] Show that you can wait a while without coming in here to whine and without us catching you doing nonsense in other channels. After that, we'll consider removing a ban, and then watch you carefully for a few days. But first, you should wait an appropriate timeframe for what you did already. [06:09] Dudd [06:09] dude [06:09] Which is not measured in hours. [06:09] * Hobbsee is still unsure as to how someone who has the clear capacity ot run a botnet, and the intent to do so when his ultimatums are not reached, is welcome on the network. [06:09] its been a while [06:09] a fucking week [06:10] in a half [06:10] to be exact [06:10] !ohmy [06:10] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [06:10] Check when i used the proxies [06:10] yay! [06:10] hey nixternal [06:10] flip2405: Please just leave. [06:11] Im not done yet [06:11] You should be. [06:11] flip2405: you've now got another week. If you come back in a week, without DDoSing the network, and w ithout using proxies, or any of that, and are more productive than you have been today, then the people here will revisit your bans. [06:11] But i am not. [06:11] that's your second chance. [06:11] nah [06:11] well, third / fourth / fifth. [06:11] i got a better ideal [06:11] Here we go. [06:11] * Hobbsee waits for the botnet. [06:11] kjf)*@#)*@ [06:12] Thank you nalioth. [06:12] wtf is so hard to understand? why can't he grow the fuck up already? [06:12] he would have been unbanned long ago if he would act civil and not 10 [06:12] so my ban-evader ban should stay then? a bit confused at this point (ragsagar) [06:12] nixternal: because that requires sense, and such. [06:13] Amaranth: yes, it's interesting how he goes silent. [06:13] bazhang: so is everyone else.. [06:13] okay thanks tonyyarusso [06:13] bazhang: sure, ban everyone [06:13] bazhang: If they can come back in a proper period of time and prove they are should be allowed back in perhaps you can let them [06:13] It's a case by case basis [06:13] make sure you get them for too many exclamation points [06:13] Hobbsee: I wouldn't worry about a botnet...for fucksake he is to stupid to use a damn proxy w/o getting figured [06:13] don't forget the foreign language first times [06:13] first timers [06:13] But if they are using proxies and such to evade bans repeatedly and threatening botnets... [06:14] nalioth, the guy ban evaded in a single day; should I lift that now? (unban, not ban) [06:14] last week he went to proxying but didn't change his nick nor his hostmask, just his domain [06:14] bazhang: do as you wish [06:14] Hobbsee: I agree, let's just clean the whole ban list. [06:14] * nixternal goes for beer! [06:15] ops makes me want to drink :p [06:15] * Amaranth would go for vodka, if there were any around [06:15] how did nix-ternal get the pointy clicky factoid? [06:15]