[00:01] After a quick read i've been led to believe that on older, slower hardware Xubuntu will perform better than Ubuntu. Is this accurate? [00:01] Okay, pulled the card out, ifconfig shows eth0 and lo, only shows one NIC, loverly. [00:01] knmstrflx: Yes. [00:01] win! [00:02] I'm running xubuntu on a 733MHzp3 with 64MB graphics and 320MB ram, It keeps up with my 2.4GHz, 1GB ram 256MB grapghics windows box. [00:02] sounds perfect for my old junk [00:04] is there anyplace the xubuntu documenation is packed into a big fat PDF or something for offline consumption for my grandfather? [00:08] knmstrflx: http://thepiratebay.org/search/ubuntu/0/99/600 [00:08] ;) [00:09] keke :) [00:09] maybe i can httrack the wiki [00:10] k if you'r that savy you might wanna try icewm or openbox, it's considerably faster than xubuntu [00:10] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631 [00:10] http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/xubuntu-flash-quick-tour.html [00:13] W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key [00:14] worked fine for a while, not sure why it quit being valid [00:15] I am Having trouble connecting to the wifi via Xubuntu 8.04 today, but yesterday I connected (first time in days since Update from 7.10 to 8.04) while I was connected the signal strength jumped from 20% to 100% a lot. I had also Updates some stuff via Update Manager. is there any idea how I can connect ?? I am currently on Win2000 and I got the usual 78%.... is there any way I can fix this problem, Wifi card is a Linksys WMP54G Version 4.1 [00:18] sponix: man in the middle attack? [00:18] KindOne: you mifgt want to search the forums for that model [00:19] ok [00:51] time to attempt my first network install [00:51] because i have no CD's! [00:52] if you have a spare usb flash drive and your computer will boot off that, then that might be easier [00:52] hmm [00:52] might is an understatement [00:53] I don't think so... If you have the netboot infrastructure already in place (servers, dhcp, tftp, etc) then netbooting is really easy [00:53] aye but I don't. [00:54] omg /exit wife incoming sigterm -all hralp hralp [01:22] hi everyone [01:23] I'm using a G3 imac that I found at a thrift store with 6.06 installed. I opened the computer up and saw that there is a RAM card in the extra slot.. how can I tell if it's recognized, and how much RAM it is? [01:26] top or free -m will tell you how much ram you have [01:26] easy way to tell... booth with, and without it, to see the diff ;) [01:29] sponix: it says Mem: 91, Swap: 206 [01:29] sponix: how does that relate to 64mb, 256mb, 512 etc? [01:41] use free -m [01:41] total used free shared buffers cached [01:41] Mem: 2025 1604 421 0 82 970 [01:42] My box has 2024 Meg (2G) or Ram [01:42] it shows 2025Meg... Close enough ;) [04:01] images in xubuntu are being rendered real slowly [04:02] videos on youtube are going like 2 fps [04:11] I dont think its a cpu bottleneck cause FF is taking up at most ~70%... :( [05:46] Newb: got your vid card drivers working? [05:48] ere4si: yes [05:48] ere4si: heh, I have been waiting for you, I got a couple more questions [05:50] ere4si: everything seems sluggish. Enabling compositing helped a bit (i guess this puts more load on the gpu). But would a different window manager speed things up? [05:51] Newb: xubuntu should not be slow - can you have a look at the command top in a terminal pls? [05:51] Newb: is xorg using alot of cpu? === which123 is now known as myname === myname is now known as which === which is now known as which123 [05:58] ere4si: ok I opened a terminal, nopw what do I check? [05:58] Newb: type top and see if xorg is using alot of cpu [05:59] about 4-16% [06:01] ere4si: page rendering in FF is especially slow... and flash videos in it very slow like 2fps [06:01] well that's not the issue [06:01] Newb: can you type free -m in a trerminal and check for used mem?. [06:01] hey === daftpun1 is now known as Daftpunk [06:02] hey [06:02] hi daftpun1 /daftpunk [06:02] :) [06:02] lol [06:03] Daftpunk: how's the lamp running? [06:03] It just started to work [06:03] by itself [06:03] i just restarted apache [06:03] and all is fine now [06:03] great [06:03] i am trying to install phpmyadmin now [06:04] ere4si: typing "f" takes me to this alphebetical list of selectable options... cant type free -m [06:04] how do I know wich folders have executable path? [06:04] Newb: why no type? [06:04] ere4si: ill reopen a terminal [06:05] I downloaded rar and I would like to keep it somewhere so I can run it from anywhere. [06:05] Any idea in what folder should I keep it please? [06:05] ere4si: free is 4 [06:05] Daftpunk: Daftpunk there is a rar prog in synaptic - it installs to /usr/bin [06:06] oh ok [06:06] Newb: can you paste the line that starts -/+ buffers and cache [06:06] ere4si: out of 128 mb, 118 used 4 free [06:06] -/+ buffers/cache: 74 48 [06:08] Newb: can you do the same with firefox open on another workspace? [06:09] Daftpunk: if you type in a terminal $PATH you will see where the terminal looks for executables [06:11] weird it gives me the whole list [06:11] and at the end is no such file or directory [06:11] Daftpunk: that's for games yes? [06:11] ere4si: -/+ buffers/cache: 88 34 [06:11] i think [06:12] I don't remember having games folder [06:12] Daftpunk: that's why it says no such file [06:13] can you unset that folder? [06:13] ere4si: im on a 400 mhz celeron btw [06:13] it's not important but I am just playing around with everything for the mo [06:13] Newb: you might be a candidate for a lighter window manager - with 128mb mem and 400mhz cpu - I use and recommend fluxbox - firefox-2 would be lighter as well [06:14] Daftpunk: if you want to install from source $PATH lets you know where to put things :) [06:15] ere4si: ok thanks, do I just get fluxbox through synaptic? and I also heard opera is fast, but i cant find it. I got a .deb and tried unpacking it using the consol but its dependant on other packages I dont have [06:15] Newb: I would recommend sudo apt-get install firefox-2 fluxbox [06:16] Newb: and I would install a lighter login manager - slim is what I use - sudo apt-get install slim && sudo apt-get purge gdm [06:18] ere4si: ok thanks. How can i remove xfce, ff 3, my current login manager afterwards>? [06:19] is there a big difference between Ubuntu and xubuntu? [06:20] Newb: sudo apt-get purge xubuntu-desktop firefox gdm - ut be warned removing firefox 3 may make ff2 unusable - common libs etc - I would remove ff3 from synaptic and check what else will be removed [06:20] I've just downloaded ebook for ubuntu and I am just wondering whether it will be any good for me having xubuntu on my comp [06:21] Newb: xubuntu is community developed on the ubuntu distro - not officially supported the last I saw - but they are the same except window managers and some apps [06:22] Daftpunk: terminal commands and such are the same [06:23] ere4si: gdm is the current login manager? [06:24] i cant create launchers on avant window manager... is it xfce? [06:25] Newb: it should be - xubuntu and ubuntu both use gtk [06:25] ere4si: ok how do I use fluxbox instead now? [06:25] aldrick: no - it is a setup issue from what I know - there are net posts about that - google is our friend [06:26] coo ill check ty [06:26] Newb: at the login select sessions and choose fluxbox [06:26] ere4si: thanks very much, again [06:27] Newb: my pleasure - remember to right click the desktop in flux for a menu [06:33] ere4si is there a big difference between ubuntu and xubuntu? [06:33] Daftpunk: of course if the book says to use a command like sudo gedit - you use gksu mousepad [06:34] Daftpunk: the apps are lighter on resources - that is the point of xubuntu [06:34] yeah thats what i've been told. i got 1.6 Ghz Celeron and 512 MB ram on my laptop [06:35] So xubuntu is probably better for me [06:35] should be great on that Daftpunk [06:35] ere4si I also have 3 GHZ dual core 2 GB ram desktop [06:36] ere4si and I am planning ubuntu for thatone [06:36] great - should go well [06:36] ere4si for the moment xubuntu looks great [06:37] Daftpunk: and there is xfce-look (I think it is called) if you want to tart it up a bit :) [06:38] ere4si I knew abut linux for some time now and I was quite sceptic about it, and as I read this book there really was a campaign of fear and doubt. [06:39] Daftpunk: those that make money from os's have a reason to be scared... :) [06:39] after I've seen ubuntu I think they're in trouble [06:40] Daftpunk: and think of the money you would spend getting support using commercial os's [06:41] Newb: :) [06:41] and especially the whole idea of open source [06:41] ere4si: the slim login doesn't seem to have fluxbox :( [06:41] Newb: if you have removed xubuntu-desktop just login as normal [06:42] ere4si: ok Ill have to remove it. It was sudo apt-get purge xubuntu-desktop? [06:42] ere4si I have to read more about it. [06:42] Newb: I did the same as you and don't have that option - I checked on my hardy box after telling you - yep [06:42] * ere4si blushes [06:43] Daftpunk: hard to write a virus if the code is open source [06:44] Newb: sudo apt-get purge xubuntu-desktop [06:44] ere4si: it says itsnot installed anymore... so I must have removed it... but xfce remains [06:45] Newb: is it xfce-session at the session option at login? [06:45] yeah [06:45] Newb: reboot and login without selecting session [06:48] ere4si I fell in love with sudo apt-get :D [06:49] ere4si it doesn't really get easier than that [06:49] Daftpunk: 24000 free apps :) [06:49] Daftpunk: apt-cache search "prog" is my fav [06:50] what is thatone for? [06:50] i am going to try it [06:50] ere4si: no luck [06:50] what does "su" stand for? [06:51] Daftpunk: to find the app your after - apt-cache search apache - gives you the right name [06:51] ere4si: there was some message about knytt pre login screen but didn't catch it [06:52] newbnewbI would reinstall gdm - get it working then switch - it's hard to see from here :) [06:53] Newb: ^^ [06:53] ere4si: ok, sudo apt-get gdm? [06:53] Daftpunk: su is an abbreviation for sudo [06:53] Newb: yep [06:54] newb and sudo apt-get purge slim [06:54] Newb: ^^ [06:57] ere4si: E: invalid operation gdm [06:58] is there any eqivalent of MS blue screen of death in linux? [06:58] Newb: one min [06:59] phpyadmin set up and running [07:00] can anyone tell me where i can find the md5 hash for the xubuntu desktop i386 iso? [07:00] Newb: sudo apt-get install gdm - sorry;) [07:00] !md5 [07:00] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [07:00] r0b: ^^ [07:01] ere4si: thanks but i know how to check the md5 i just need the hash so i make sure mine matches [07:02] i checked here but xubuntu 8.04 isnt listedhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes [07:02] r0b: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto - will tell you about that [07:03] I thought - I burn the disk then boot and check... [07:04] Daftpunk: you might get a prog lockup - but no bsod - I haven't had issues yet [07:05] nevermind i found it on another site, would be nice if ubuntu would include it on their own site [07:05] ere4si: ok now gdm is installing, thanks. As for xfce: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=388202 I read there that I have to use synaptic :( [07:06] Newb: I still have the xfce-session on my comp - doesn't hurt or get used afaik [07:07] the latest updates wrecked my panels tho... [07:07] ere4si: ok [07:08] ere4si: getting gdm again gave me this warning: adduser: Warning: The home directory `/var/lib/gdm' does not belong to the user you are currently creating. [07:08] but it seems to have installed fine [07:09] <^u^> Newb: /var/lib isn't a /home dir... ? - I would reboot and see [07:12] <^u^> latest updates weren't the best - free -m shows no memory used ... [07:12] <^u^> well live and learn [07:25] ere4si: yeah much more responsive [07:25] ere4si: thanks a lot [07:25] ere4si: however I can't find FF 2 [07:28] Newb: the command at terminal is firefox-2 you may need to add an entry to your /fluxbox/menu file [07:30] Newb: what my .fluxbox/menu file looks like - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10876/ [07:32] Newb: that's from a gutsy box so ff3 doesn' come into it - make firefox firefox-2 [07:34] ere4si: ok thanks. How do I find the file? [07:35] ere4si: I opened up thunar [07:36] ere4si: but so many folders in file system I have no clue about [07:37] Newb: in thunar - view - show hidden files - then your home dir [07:37] Newb: .fluxbox/menu [07:45] thanks [07:47] good luck :_ [07:47] ere4si is it possible to set xubintu that it logins automatically to one account? [07:48] ere4si so I dont have to enter username and password when it starts? [07:52] Daftpunk: I do that on a server I have running xubuntu - I did that a while ago and need a min to remember [07:53] Daftpunk: system - login - there is an option - you might need to explore - killing things on another box atm :) hehe [07:55] lol [07:56] mmm can't see it [07:57] ere4si I found users and groups but I don't think that's what I am lokking for [07:57] I'll have a look on forums [08:00] daftit is in an option from the menu - system login [08:00] oops [08:09] ere4si: I found fluxbox-menu ender etc/X11/fluxbox but I cant save my changes [08:09] ere4si: maybe cause its read only unless in root? can I supply my pass somehow? [08:09] under* [08:11] fluxbox-menu is what the menue file in .fluxbox/ includes [08:12] Newb: there should be a .fluxbox in your home folder - you might need to logout and in - right click and select restart [08:14] ere4si: there is one, but I want to edit the place ment of a menue item in the original file. Is there anyway I can use root powers to do this? [08:14] ere4si: becuase its read only to non root [08:15] Newb: in a terminal gksu mousepad /path/to/file [08:15] Newb: but the menu file in your .fluxbox in home is the place to do that [08:22] ere4si: thanks alot for everything, im off to sleep [08:37] i have xubuntu 8.04 amd64 desktop installed on a laptop. my Start Menu just vanished. how do i bring it back? [08:42] right click on panel -> add new item -> xfce menu? [08:42] although this doesn't address why it may have disappeared [08:43] jfcgauss_: did the start menu go away or did the entire panel go away? [08:43] if the entire panel away you may need to restart xfce4-panel === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [08:44] ok thx :) i did try 'Add New Item' but somehow i didnt see it. i dont know y it vanished, maybe i right-clicked-and-deleted so quickly i didnt notice [08:44] thx [09:08] hi. where do I find ubuntu/install/netboot/pxelinux.0 for xubuntu ? [09:29] sound doesn't work for me in xubuntu hardy, but works fine in ubuntu hardy [09:29] using snd_hda_intel on an ibm thinkpad [09:29] and try as i may, i can't get it working :( [09:32] New sound thing... Umm, what do they call that thing [09:32] Pulse Audio [09:32] ... Buggy yet, imho. Might have to do some crap about setting some crap to pulse audio, or working around it .. [09:33] sdh: xubuntu uses the same base as ubuntu - so check the basics first pls [09:33] Might google Hardy Pulse Audio, know the ubuntuguide.org made reference to VLC not working at times unless you fiddled with Pulse Audio ;) [09:33] yeah... but pulse isn't even running and i'm just trying to get it to talk to alsa [09:33] !sound | sdh [09:33] sdh: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [09:34] ere4si: my point is that, for some reason, alsa works OOTB in ubuntu but not in xubuntu [09:34] ere4si: good point, probably is something more basic [09:34] ere4si: (for this card, at least) [09:35] sdh: Check that Mixer, and do the basics first, like make sure the Volume is up, and not muted ;) [09:35] i haven't had to manually configure sound since like redhat 5.2 [09:35] sponix: i tried that about 5 hours ago :) [09:36] all channels are up, unmuted, alsa sees the card [09:36] no headphones plugged in :) [09:36] ...and yet nothing [09:36] it's most perplexing [09:36] sdh: pack your box up and send it to me ! [09:37] heh [09:50] hi. where do I find the pxe install file for pxelinux.0 for xubuntu ? [09:55] realHans: try this - http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-ubuntukubuntuedubuntuxubuntu-without-cdrom-drive.html [09:57] I know how to do it, but I don't know where to get the right pxelinux.0 :| [09:58] realHans: that link uses the alternate iso [09:58] THIS INSTALLATION METHOD WILL ONLY WORK WITH THE ALTERNATIVE ISO FILES OF UBUNTU/KUBUNTU/XUBUNTU* [09:58] quote [09:59] realHans: so d/load the alternate iso [09:59] hmmm ... [10:00] This is my problem. I dont find the (iso)files ... [10:01] realHans: when you d/load the desktop xubuntu it will be an iso file [10:02] same with the alternate [10:02] but In the install folder of the iso is no netboot or something folder ... [10:07] ere4si: what do you use to test alsa? mpg321 -o alsa ? [10:07] i meant "what do you suggest i use" [10:08] info: I found its name :: xubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386 [10:08] sdh: aplay for .wav and mpg123 for mp3 [10:08] right, that's what i've been using [10:11] sdh: and typing alsamixer and making sure all interfaces are turned up doesn't help? [10:11] ere4si: nope [10:11] it's odd [10:11] aplay -l shows my card ok [10:12] sdh: and lspci recognises your sound ccard? [10:12] ere4si: yep [10:12] k [10:12] i am wondering if i've done something stupid, but i donn't think i have [10:15] sdh: sound is pretty straight forward afaik - you'd need to be smart as to get it not working on purpose :) [10:16] ere4si: like i say, i haven't had a problem (outside of the usual esd/arts faff) for almost 10 years [10:16] even with this specific box [10:16] im beginning to wonder if the speaker has died, heh [10:16] sdh: does lsmod show something related to your card? [10:17] yes [10:17] the support is there, the card appears in aplay -l [10:17] sdh: or is the switch on hehe [10:17] :) [10:18] oh well i have to go to work now.. thanks anyway [11:44] how do i stop whatever the program is from adding to my ~/.thumbnails folder - it's nearly 20mb - I had to write a script to delete it at startup [11:48] every time I open my home folder it is rebuilt - it is a persistent fartherless child of a thing! [11:52] *fatherless even :) [14:03] Is Thunar able to see partitions ? [14:03] like nautilus === platyhelminth is now known as Bill-Gates [14:09] iam following http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html done for eth1 (client) eth4 dsl connection. http://pastebin.com/m4bdf9f3a i configured for eth1 and its not working itself. link is up on client. but a cross on computer connection on server. instead eth2 is working fine. any help please ??? === Bill-Gates is now known as platyhelminth [14:18] platyhelminth: you mean the Places menu showing HD partitions in Gnome? I also wonder what sets/controls that in Gnome... [14:18] Is Thunar able to see partitions ? like nautilus [14:18] he === slestak is now known as slestak|away === slestak|away is now known as slestak [15:15] hello? [15:17] anybody? [15:21] somebody? [15:28] Hannz: how can we help you? [15:29] hi there [15:29] thank you for replying [15:29] posted a thread at networking and wireless about an hour ago [15:29] havent got any replies thought [15:30] so i thought i'd check this channel [15:30] * TheSheep doesn't read the forums [15:30] Hannz: got a link? [15:30] i'm connected to my office network [15:30] okay [15:31] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786615 [15:32] Hannz: what protocol do you use do connect to that file server? [15:32] Hannz: windows netwrok? [15:33] TheSheep: yes [15:33] TheSheep: Ubuntu got no problem connecting [15:34] Hannz: thunar can't browse windows network by itself, like nautilus does [15:34] Hannz: you can use fuse-smb tough to mount network shares into directories [15:35] then you can access them normally [15:36] TheSheep: okay, i get the idea. does that mean i have to install the fuse-smb and then editing my fstab?> [15:37] yes there should be howtos on the forums [15:37] search fr xubuntu and samba [15:37] for [15:38] okay :) [15:38] i'm getting on it [15:38] Hannz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131 [15:38] no need to edit fstab [15:38] cool [15:39] Stroganoff: thank you! saves my time to search for the appropriate thread :) [15:40] wow that thread is very good! i'm getting on it :) [15:41] in the end it comes down to this: [15:41] http://pastebin.com/mff775c [15:41] plus adding 'fusesmb /media/network' to your startup items [15:47] i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html but it didnt worked for me. how can i revert? [15:56] im going to install win xp now over my xubuntu. i looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows but on the 2nd example, the guy does fdisk -l and he seemingly has a boot partition.. a very small one in the begin of disk. when i do fdisk -l , i dont have such small partition, and i think i dont have that kind of partition at all [15:56] so i am worried on doing that thing on example 1 [15:58] i have a /boot/ where is grub too but that isnt listed as its own partition in fdisk -l [15:58] just use the SuperGrub livecd to recover grub [15:59] argh i wouldnt want to [15:59] that messed up my system last time [16:00] mmmh [16:00] thats why im scared now.. it said something like processing... or doing.. and got stuck there [16:00] floating: if it's possible, maybe you should install winxp first, then xubuntu.. [16:01] its not possible [16:01] i have already tweaked this so much that i wouldnt want to reinstall [16:02] floating: okay.. understand your feeling.. :P [16:04] i guess i take a "risk" .. i just dont understand all the buzz on it.. [16:05] so i have a grub in my linux root partition and not in mbr right now ? i install win xp and it installs the win bootloader to mbr. then i go to recover grub, but it recovers it into the linux root partition and not overwrite the win in mbr... and i get stuck again [16:05] thats what i dont get [16:06] plus other things, like why the super grub boot loader hang last time.. [16:07] sorry i can't help.. i'm new to (x)ubuntu.. [16:56] i think i need tc command. i read the man. but it gave me headaches. i need eth1+eth2=20k/s dl limit and 4k upload and i dont want any eth user to consume all the trafic (while both eth1 and eth2 are online) and drain bandwidth from the other. any help? [17:00] ermm... [17:05] i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html and its working. but only when firestarter is disabled. why so and how can i share internet while firestater is running ? [17:06] getting traffic shapping working tends to be very difficult [17:07] if you primarily care about http traffic you can use squid to enforce the limits then firewall everything else off [17:20] TheSheep: hello? === daftpun1 is now known as Daftpun1 [17:24] hi === Daftpun1 is now known as daftpun1 [17:25] mistiipu_: why dont you use firestarter for ICS? === daftpun1 is now known as daftpunj === daftpunj is now known as daftpun1 [17:29] hey everyone [17:29] !xfc [17:29] Factoid xfc not found [17:29] !panel [17:29] Factoid panel not found [17:30] !sudo [17:30] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. [17:30] !su [17:30] did you need something daftpun1? [17:30] just playing around, thanks [17:30] a little chat maybe [17:31] I used linux for 3 days so far [17:31] so i am trying to learn what I can [17:31] ah, [17:32] but I love it for the moment [17:32] You couldcan introgate ubottu in a PM if you like. You can also use the !search command to find topics that aren't named very well [17:32] !search su [17:32] Found: etiquette, code, studiorepo, o4o, mythtv-mysql, laptop, #kubuntu, alternatives, helpersnack, kickoff [17:32] !botsnack [17:32] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [17:33] Last time I saylol [17:33] lol [17:33] did you just feed him a snack? [17:33] lol [17:33] yes [17:34] so the only thing now I haven't seen is snake on a bicycle [17:34] :D [17:34] you should go !moo at dpkg in #debian. It is even more entertaining [17:35] !moo [17:35] Factoid moo not found [17:35] :'( [17:35] xfce should be the default for ubuntu [17:36] agree? [17:36] Chrysalis: no [17:36] I do not... [17:37] !xfce [17:37] Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels [17:37] !gnome [17:37] gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop. [17:41] i dont know, i just finally feel at home, gnome and kde feel like unneeded bloat [17:41] nothing wrong with them, and its good to have a choice [17:41] but as default xfce makes more sence, whereas gnome and kde are like extra bloat [17:42] the fact that some people like windows and mac osx seems to prove that there is a desire for a certain ammount of bloat [17:42] where are you guys from? [17:44] I am in the uk, it seem to me that linux is not a very popular platform here [17:45] i would assume that applies to any country [17:45] thats why you gotta get the word out ;p [17:45] I was buying a laptop recently and the store could not tell me if it's linux friendly or not [17:46] I didn't want some Vista crap again [17:48] Last time I ve seen linux was in 2001. And I was quite sceptic about it. But as I read the doco now it really was a FUD campaign [17:48] everyone you ask on the street pretty much thinks of linux distros are doing everything from the terminal still [17:48] that's it [17:48] I was so suprised when I saw Xubuntu [17:49] I still do lots of stuff from terminal thou but it can't be more simple [17:50] It seems to me now like windows is making lots of things very simple for users [17:51]