[02:48] can someone tell me how to format a floppy [04:41] Does Edubuntu install an ICA client by defaut? [04:41] s/defaut/default [04:44] hello...i just installed edubuntu 8.04 and it appears that after doing a ltsp-build-client -arch i386 i cannot get my i386 clients to come up....no pxe boot [04:45] i have installed on a fresh box with two nics [04:45] the system is an athnlon x2 [04:45] any ideas?? [04:45] do i need to manually create an lts.conf file ? [07:18] not sure how is around...but i installed a 64 bit edubuntu , built the ltsp 32 bit for clients, and cannot seem to PXE..any ideas? [07:20] hi [07:20] you sure leave quickly [07:21] lemme respond to what i didn't finish earlier [07:21] and if i have (dare say it) have some ppc clients is that --arch=ppc ? [07:21] johnny: oh...the flash doesnt work?? with the --arch=i386 on a 64 bit server? [07:21] no.. ppc isn't that simple, you need to do it on a pcc machine from my understanding.. or find some hackery to get around it [07:22] and flash does work [07:22] sorry..went home from work...im at home now :) [07:22] what i was saying.. is that flash is more difficult to make work properly with sound on your thin clients.. [07:22] more magick has to be done [07:23] the problem is mainly due to the fact adobe still doesn't release 64bit flash, even for windows [07:23] unless you want to use gnash or swfdec , which are open source implementations still in the works [07:23] i see.. I ran into psychotic issue though...i set up a fresh box... and after hitting f4, it went through the install and asked about primary nic...and said nothing about the 2nd nic [07:23] i think ubuntu distributes it [07:23] well you can setup the 2nd nic easily enough [07:24] i did verify that the installer made the second nic at 192.168.0.254 [07:24] gui and console ways [07:24] i'm used to the console way [07:25] migrated from windows myself in the beginning, but using console always turned out to be faster :) [07:25] i did the build-client --arch i386 bit, and it installed the 32 bit client [07:25] yes [07:25] but what happens is i cant seem to get the clients to pxe at all [07:25] in what way? [07:25] that's too broad :) [07:25] no dhcp [07:26] doesn't sound like it involves --arch one way or the other then [07:26] i tested by plugging my laptop to the same switch that ltsp server is on....and no dhcp aaddy [07:26] did you use ltsp-server or ltsp-server-standalone ? [07:27] i simply just hit f4, and picked ltsp-server [07:28] I also discovered there is no lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 [07:28] uhmm.. i've never installed edubuntu.. [07:28] is that normal [07:28] yes it is [07:28] it comes from tftp now [07:28] so you can change it without updating the image [07:28] ahh..okay.. [07:28] im not sure if you have run into this or not.... [07:29] are you sure you have a dhcp server? [07:29] i don't know what the ubuntu install screen that gives you options looks like [07:30] so i don't know whta ltsp-server in that context means [07:30] i wonder if i explicitly have to tell dhcp to use a certain interface [07:30] so.. first.. you sure you have a dhcp server? [07:30] yeah..dhcp-server is installed...because an /etc/init.d/dhcp-server restart initiates [07:31] or works...sorry for vagueness [07:31] and you have an /etc/ltsp/ for dhcp ? [07:31] yes [07:31] cuz the dhcp-server script uses that if available from my understanding [07:31] i only use dnsmasq.. so i've never looked at it.. [07:31] sorry.. i don't use the common use case obviously :) [07:32] the weirdness might be the interface itself..it is an emachine..so im wondering if i should pop in another card..and disable on board nvidia ethernet [07:32] onboard nvidia ethernet is a good idea [07:32] to disable it...you mean. [07:32] ?? [07:32] i think you need to edit the dhcpd config file [07:32] i see... [07:32] make sure it is listening in the proper interface [07:32] right.. [07:33] where is that done...again? [07:33] on the other interface, it will conflict with any other dhcp servers you have going, if you don't do it right [07:33] i just told you :) [07:33] i'm not booted in the hardy right now.. don't recall the exact file name, but you should notice it in /etc/ltsp [07:33] it has dhcpd in the name [07:33] oh right..sorry..a abit tired here.. :) [07:34] achandrashekar, i'm a gentoo user normally.. i just happened to do a somewhat specialized ltsp install on an ubuntu machine [07:34] and use ubuntu on my laptop.. [07:34] so the recommendation to disable the on board nvidia ethernet you recommend. [07:34] so.. i'm not expert on the ubuntu/debian stuff in general.. [07:34] gentoo is cool stuff :) [07:34] no.. don't disable it :) [07:34] unless it doesn't work [07:35] oh..use the onboard nvidia ethernet..are they good? [07:35] onboard any nic is good for me :) [07:35] im not so up on hardware these days. [07:35] go onbord ethernet :) [07:35] just curious as to why. [07:35] it rarely is problematic [07:35] i use onboard everything except video [07:35] i see. [07:36] hell.. even onboard video.. if it has open drivers [07:36] i'm not a big gamer.. so these machines with onboard 64mb video.. are just fine! [07:36] yep that too is nvidia [07:36] it makes me sad to use the nvidia drivers :( [07:36] but i do need a little bit of 3d [07:37] hopefully the open 3d driver will be better soon [07:37] they are getting there.. [07:37] but intel and ati stuff really leads the path [07:37] intel in particular has the best open source drivers for video [07:37] if i was doing any sort of business related install that didnt need heavy graphics.. i'd always choose intel [07:37] cuz they dont' sell seperate graphics cards.. [07:37] :( [07:38] maybe some day they will.. [07:38] i remember when ati was vilified by linux peeps approx 5 years ago.. but things have changed. [07:38] well i didn't use them [07:38] until the ati dirver started working for real hardware [07:38] somebody gave me a dual head dvi out card [07:38] for our machine at red emma's [07:38] cool [07:38] also my ltsp install machine.. [07:39] and i made it work with the open soure drivers with 3d and dual head [07:39] and i was happy [07:39] you are definitely the champion here..for always being on :) [07:39] i keep odd hours! [07:39] how do you stay awake all these hours [07:39] lol [07:39] it's 2:40am [07:39] yeah 11:39 here [07:39] in L.A. [07:39] well.. i like the quietness of night [07:39] same here.. [07:39] easier to get work done [07:39] altho now that i do stuff from home.. [07:40] thinking about going back to IT though.. teaching is fun..but so is money :) [07:40] it sucks being worried that you'll get that phone call [07:40] lol...i remember those days as well... [07:40] IT for money.. i don't think i could do it [07:40] i hear ya..i hated the 56 mile drive to work [07:40] they'll be like.. OMG my site is down.. or omg internet is down at the store [07:40] one way [07:41] IT is no fun unless it is for a good cause [07:41] i would never do it [07:41] EVER [07:41] web is hard enough :) [07:41] IT means actually going somewhere [07:41] whenever something is down [07:41] some how making that 4 billion dollar company a 5 billion dollar company just wasnt working for me anymore [07:42] yeah.. no way [07:42] i just can't [07:42] i teach math now....when kids do get it, it is awesome [07:43] i like managing our little shop [07:43] it's fun [07:43] somehow...its very rewarding to see these kids from this low socio-economic area make it. [07:43] kind of evens the playing field. :) [07:43] for a coffeeshop.. we sure have alot of tech [07:43] that is cool [07:43] custom RoR scheduling app for people to schedule shifts [07:43] open source point of sale software [07:43] nice [07:43] written by one of the mebers [07:43] members* [07:43] touch screen? [07:44] no [07:44] we use that same computer for general internet browsing too [07:44] and ltsp :) [07:44] i see. [07:44] it coudl use a touch screen i guess [07:44] do mind me asking "where" this is ? [07:44] but .. that would never work for us [07:44] baltimore , maryland [07:45] http://www.redemmas.org [07:45] is it nice there?? we have concrete and more concrete.. [07:45] so do we :( [07:45] not as bad as yours for sure [07:45] you're only like 10 minutes away from concrete [07:45] by car [07:45] nice site! [07:46] we also have wireless.. so i set that up [07:46] the whole ddwrt thing?? or a system with a wireless nic in it? [07:46] openwrt [07:46] i wouldn't use ddwrt [07:46] openwrt is more extensible [07:47] ddwrt does a bit too much [07:47] yeah..ill have try that. [07:47] i actually used coova [07:47] cuz it had a built in captive portal [07:47] i tried to use the mesh capability..and it was so so [07:47] and is built on top of openwrt [07:47] so we have a terms of service thing [07:48] and a plea for them to buy something :) [07:48] bookfair link not working..but the other stuff is very cool. [07:48] it'll be back up soon [07:48] so.. i joined up with them almost a year ago [07:48] been interesting learning to be a barista [07:49] yeah i bet! [07:49] i used to hang out at coffeehouses.. now i help run one :) [07:49] im trying to get some space at our other venue [07:49] We have place out here known as the Coffee Klatch..and heather supposedly united states barista champion [07:50] we have a partnership with a local methodist church [07:50] we cook our baked goods in their food safe certified kitchin :) [07:50] and now we host events in the big room.. [07:50] linux, coffee, how can you beat that?? [07:50] :) [07:50] there's another place or 3 that does it [07:51] one is canada, it has the word linux in the name [07:51] altho we are different in that we are worker owned [07:52] it's something i always wanted to do back home.. before i moved up here [07:53] my girlfriend's brother is one of the founding collective members ... [07:53] that's how i knew about it .. [07:53] johnny: you might wanna check that coffee klatch place out...in san dimas california on the net...im told they are one of the best in the country [07:54] mike the owner is former chemist :) [07:54] it's interesting to see such a radical oriented space, being so public.. [07:54] it sounds like you are having fun with it [07:54] our folks have even been on the frontpage of main paper in the city [07:54] that is cool! [07:54] where does the name come from? [07:54] uhmm.. [07:55] http://redemmas.org/section/About/emma/ [07:55] yep...reading... [07:55] emma goldman ;) [07:55] rtfm...lol [07:56] yeah that is cool [07:57] http://flickr.com/photos/h1113/2207915321/ there's a picture of two of my terminals .. [07:57] http://flickr.com/photos/h1113/2207915321/ [07:57] oops [07:58] the caption is incorrect.. just normal people i'm sure.. [07:58] ha ha [07:58] nice [07:58] http://flickr.com/photos/gavinmusic/1417846258/ [07:58] we're pretty public with our presence.. as you can see from the giant sign.. [07:58] anything that is not Micro$haft is these days :) [07:58] all sorts of people come through [07:59] my fiance would be in love with that place....she is the avid reader.. [07:59] well our coffee and food ain't bad either.. [07:59] some of the best and cheapest in the area [08:00] we are very all tired of $tarbucks here.. [08:00] there's a small premium for all the organic stuff we use.. but you can get a medium cup of shade grown, fair trade coffee that is mighty tasty for 1.60 [08:01] the coffee shop here in town gave coffee away for free when starbucks was closed.. and btw..that is a great price for fair trade [08:01] well..ill know where to stop by in baltimore :) [08:02] well.. on that note... here's where i wnt to setup a mobile ltsp lab ... [08:02] err moveable.. [08:02] laptops maybe? [08:03] http://redemmas.org/cms_media/IMG_1808.JPG [08:03] was thinking moving tables [08:03] with power strips and hubs attached [08:04] since we have many events there already [08:04] pretty church [08:06] well johnny i gotta get some z's here...before trying again...i do appreciate the help as always, and pleasure talking to you. :) [08:38] hi, I am trying to configure ltsp to use the dhcp server from one machine but boot from another. What do I put in the dhcp.conf file to say get files from a second computer ? [08:59] i think you want next-server .. [09:00] i know it is documented in the installed ltsp example [10:13] johnny: I will try and find it === gnomefre2k is now known as gnomefreak [15:42] hi my dhcp on 192.168.1.254 is trying to get the clients to boot from 192.168.1.10, I have setup the 'next-server' option for the dhcp and according to wireshark it seems to be working. but the client isn't booting :( the tftp file doesn't seem to be being sent. what is the actual name of the file on the server ? [15:43] it lies in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ [15:44] tftp path should be /ltsp/i386 [15:44] (resulting in a: filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; stanza) [15:45] ogra: its there so I did generate it correctly. :) [15:46] is there any way to check the tftp server is going ? [15:50] grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf [15:50] on the server [15:51] there is an entry. [15:51] your next-server is properly pointing to the right machine ? [15:52] yes [15:55] the DHCP offer packet includes the correct 'next server' info. [15:55] but you dont get a kernel ? [15:56] nope! the clients tftp load times out :( and I see no attemp in wireshark to connect :( [15:57] * neil_d but I could miss that I suppose. [15:57] the dhcp server and thinc client network are on the same network segment ? [15:58] yes [15:58] so your ltsp server has only one NIC, right ? [15:58] yes [15:59] if you install a tftp client on another machine, can you get pxelinux.0 manually ? [16:01] I don't know. I will start one up, is there a client likely to be installed ? [16:02] sudo apt-get install tftp-hpa [16:02] that will get you a client [16:08] ok I have it installed [16:08] tftp [16:08] then enter: get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 [16:08] at the prompt [16:09] hot ctrl+d to exit [16:09] and check if it lies in your dir [16:09] s/hot/hit/ [16:10] ok done that and it did load it in. So I suppose this must mean there is a problem with the dhcp ? [16:11] yeah [16:11] are you sure there is only one dhcpd running in your network ? [16:12] yep! I have had a fedora 4 dhcp server running for years now. I have been thinking of updateing its OS but its my main file server, and I really don't want to upset it. [16:13] you cant run two dhcp servers in one network and have proper netbooting [16:13] fix that and it will work [16:14] ogra: oh I know that, that is why I have trying to get a seperate DHCP server to the LTSP tftp server configured. [16:14] (thats why we default to a two NIC setup and run the thin client network on a dedicated interface with its own dhcpd) [16:15] (and thus on a completely separate netwirk) [16:15] *network [16:16] can you ping the ltsp server from the dhcp machine? [16:16] I now the default is two nics, but this is just a testing system, and I won't be using it that much. The main system (with two nics) is somewhere else. [16:16] yep [16:17] well, there must be a second dhcpd somewhere [16:18] I don't think so or none of the computers would boot correctly as they all rely on DHCP to configure there connections. [16:19] they do netbooting ? [16:20] no, they have dynamic IP, except the one I am using for the ltsp server, its DHCP configuration sets a static IP. [16:20] ok [16:20] you dont have a dhcpd running on the ltsp server either i suppose ? [16:22] there isn't even one installed. [16:23] weird [16:23] is there a terminal program that does the same job as wireshark ? [16:23] tcpdump [16:27] ogra: not installed on the DHCP computer. :( [16:33] ogra: thanks for the help. I got to go to bed now 1:33am here. [16:34] i'm here every day usually ... [16:36] bye for now. [17:38] apologies if this has been asked before but did the edubuntu team have a session in Ubuntu week? [17:39] nope [17:39] Thank you ogra, [17:40] I see there is no Live CD planned, in order to show edu facilities the system, I guess the best way is to bring in a laptop, or can you suggest another way? [17:41] sadly no [17:41] OK thanks [17:41] well, you can use a liveCD and install edubuntu-desktop fro the net in the runing session [17:42] *from [17:42] heheh, if I were as good as you! :D [18:02] hey ogra [18:02] hey juliux, thanks for handholding my mother yesetrday :) [18:02] ogra, btw take some euros withyou too prag;) [18:03] oh, right [18:03] ogra, it was your mother? [18:03] we'll need to find a printer for the form [18:03] biggi is my mom :) [18:03] ok [18:03] i thought my parents are modern, but they are not in the irc;) [18:04] well, i've set it up for her :) [18:04] ogra, i will bring a form with me to prag [18:04] great [18:04] my parents have jabber accounts but they don't use them [18:04] i have the form as pdf i think [18:05] we just need to print it [18:05] ok [18:05] on friday i am a helper for the claires so we will have a printer;) === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [18:23] ogra: you on for the intel call tomorrow ? [18:23] do i have a choice :P [18:24] not really since colin will not be there ... damn silly time zones [18:24] damn silly uk holidays [18:24] well chat to you tomorrow ... still getting my head straight ... see you then [18:25] right, final image is up btw [20:05] morning. [20:05] mornin [20:07] johnny: i forgot to ask a question about whether flash and java would work if i build the 32 bit clients..i think you had mentioned something about that. [20:07] not sure about java.. don't use it [20:07] i just simply need jre [20:07] 32bit clients has nothing to do with it [20:07] the problem is 64bit server [20:07] i see. [20:08] i guess installing the 32 bit version of ubuntu will solve many of these headaches [20:08] so i wont see the overall benefits of the 64bit x2 [20:08] damn [20:09] it is possible to work [20:10] but really.. not many benefits to 64bit for normal desktop work as far as i've heard [20:10] if i could do my server over again... i'd do it 32bit [20:10] achandrashekar, this is what you get for relying on proprietary technologies [20:11] the open source flash and java implementations will work on 64bit [20:11] but because the proprietary implementations have been working good enough for most people [20:11] not enough time has been spent on them [20:11] adobe is slowly opening up more and more tho [20:19] yeah....good ol closed source... yuck [20:20] i see....and Im guessing you installed the 32bit version of the OS on your 64 bit server right? [20:20] no.. i said i wish i did [20:20] oh..so you did go with the 64 bit, and then built the 32 bit client...and that is off 7.10?? [20:20] my terminals don't have sound, otherwise i prolly would have already [20:21] 7.10 and now 8.04 [20:21] btw..found the place to change the which interface dhcp is to listen on -> /etc/default/dhcp [20:21] so.. you got taht workin? [20:21] going in 10 mins to work [20:21] and ill let ya know [20:21] if it works. [20:22] the huge problem is i cant trust the other admin with ldap implementation i did before... and that is why im hoping a 2gb system can power like 20 systems [20:22] but i doubt it will [20:22] so i might have to split the lab up [20:22] into two parts with two systems [20:23] and then have him manage accounts on both or something psychotic like that [20:23] any suggestions on an idea to make it work with that many systems - approx 34 in that lab? [20:24] ldap seems the best way? [20:25] yeah...this guy cant be trusted with it though. [20:25] just seems to mess things up worse...im sure youll remember the power cord debacle i posted up. [20:26] fire him? [20:26] lol...im sure they are on their way. [20:27] i was made a strange offer of sorts.. [20:27] how would i like being "out" of the classroom and dealing with tech..is how they approached it. [20:27] i h8 deals like that though [20:27] they dont have to get service...being cheap. [20:27] :) [20:28] but then again..its what you love to do i suppose..after seeing the place you work at..it was pretty incredible to see what you do.. [20:28] so i might just tend that way. [20:29] i'm having trouble finding local open source geeks .. [20:29] the only geeks i know.. are the kinds who spend lots of time on forensics and security [20:29] which is not exactly that useful to me [20:30] yeah...the linux world has changed a bit..a lot of the guys have now gone into corporate [20:30] and the "homebrew" ones are disappearing [20:31] i'd rather have some of the folks with corporate implementation jobs than security peeps :) [20:31] security peeps are useless for jump starting stuff [20:33] yeah..they know wireshark and nessus..and that is it. [20:34] dont forget reading bugtraq (or whatever is hot these days) [20:38] all right johnny im gonna sign off for a sec here..and drive into work. [20:38] see you back in a bit [22:03] well with some figuring out, it turns out network slowness was due the nvidia network card that comes with motherboard...it uses forcedeath, and that was causing issues. I chose to simply plugin another network card, and all is okay now. [22:07] hmm.. i use forcedeth here.. no problems [22:07] odd [22:07] but it's not under heavy load [22:07] maybe that'd the difference [22:13] upgraded my aging FC4 with LTSP 4.2 to a new ubuntu 8.4. some new thing to learn! [22:14] the test PXE client boots fine, I see a "ubuntu knight rider splash" screen [22:14] and then I get dropped in a busybox "ash" [22:14] from the Wiki the default is for LDB to be SCREEN_01, right? [22:14] *LDM [22:18] no [22:18]