[00:10] should the entries for /etc/event.d/tty1 really be 'start on stopped rc2' ? [00:21] Yes? [00:23] ok, well still, /bin/login isn't coming up [00:23] Takahito's kernel worked for me [00:24] I can ssh into a xen vm no problem [00:25] tell me something interesting you have done with a ubuntu server [00:25] telexicon: I don't know how Xen handles terminals :/ [00:26] AtomicSpark, im running an ejabberd xmpp server on one [00:26] a postgres database on another [00:26] one of them is acting as an nfs gateway to our SAN [00:26] another one is running apt-proxy to speed up updates for our workstation deployments [00:27] i just have a unused hp netserver 4 at home (duel p2 someghz 256MB pc100), just getting ideas for it. :P [00:27] one of them is running squid + dansguardian [00:27] im trying to set up one now, to test java web app frameworks [00:28] after you set up a squid proxy server, do you have to set clients to use that as their proxy server or is it automatic? [00:28] we want it to be transparent [00:29] but the cisco ASA is making that unnecessarily difficult [00:29] yes. transparent would be best. :P [00:29] cisco makes everything difficult imo [00:29] its certainly doable, i have the squid side all set up properly [00:29] but the cisco asa wont cooperate [00:32] what is the asa for? i'm reading the cisco page but it doesn't really explain much [00:32] its a firewall, nat, VPN.. thing [00:33] ah kindof an all-in-one [00:33] sure [00:33] but i dont see whats so special about it [00:34] well they like making themselves feel special. trust me. i tried to get certified. haha. [00:36] i dont like this :-/ [00:36] ssh is letting me login without a password [00:36] and sudo doesnt work and login doesnt work [00:36] i think pam is broken [00:36] * telexicon sighs [00:39] that is very interesting. i'm doing a little side research myself. [00:39] oh nevermind, doh [00:39] i forgot i put my pubkey in the image [00:39] hehe ok that one was my fault [00:45] it happens. i love when you reinstall a server and can't ssh into that machine anymore lol. [00:45] i suppose it's nice for security. no man-in-the middle attacks. [00:46] eh [00:46] but it limits usefulness [00:48] need a better way to remove the server from the .ssh file. i suppose you could just comment out the line. i usually just end up deleting the file. [00:53] sommer: on that ebox url, I was trusting the official ebox documentation, and a hint of a problem from a forum post, but someone in #ebox folks say it is https://yourserver/ebox not https://yourserver/eBox but hasn't responded with a clarification - huh.... anyone have ebox installed? I don't want to reboot to get it up and lose all my web page context.... [00:58] nealmcb: I think it's /ebox, but I don't have it installed any longer [00:59] haha. firedrill. i took my laptop with [00:59] sommer: my firefox url memory concurs. too bad that their doc doesn't.... [01:01] AtomicSpark: Remove the file?!? [01:01] yes? it clears your stored keys [01:01] AtomicSpark: I usually just remove the line manually, but ssh-keygen can do it for you, too. [01:01] AtomicSpark: Yeah. That's a bad plan. [01:02] ah. well i usually do bad things. ill try ssh-keygen next time. [01:02] There's a reason it stores them :) [01:04] true. which is why i said there should be a better way then just removing the file. [01:27] soren: thanks for the tip on ssh-keygen - that is always a pain. good procedures (e.g. when building virtual machines) to just keep the original host key would be even better [01:40] how can i keep the time on my 6.06 LTS server up to date? every few weeks the time is off. [01:41] HS-L: Install ntp. [01:41] is already installed.. :/ [01:44] you manually installed ntp? only ntpdate is installed by default. [01:44] you could try adding another time server if ubuntu.com gets off once in awhile. i never really checked after i insatlled it. [03:41] <--nub [03:41] need some help [03:42] i have setup server. with ebox. i have server running and can connect from other pc. [03:42] now i need to set some shares. [03:42] anybody have a link or command to start me off? [03:46] anybody know where i can find info on setting up shares for samba [03:46] ? [03:47] I have a wonderful system setup here for ssh access to my server, my question is how do I setup a dual boot thin client for a remote X session? [03:48] domare, I gave up on samba and now use ssh....no problems ther [03:48] and your shares are win systems? [03:49] No, I had problems between two linux systems. [03:49] sorry [03:49] ah.. yeah im trying to use this as a media server for my home pcs. [03:49] i need to get it running here before i think of trying at my biz [03:50] domare, I got your idea.....I am kind of doing the same except with all ubuntu systems [03:51] yeah, i can connect to my fileserver.. but i have no shares setup! [03:51] i also have ebox running for web administration [03:52] Yeah, I tried that route before.....to no good end [03:52] ssh was my solution [03:52] that seems a more solid way to do things with this.. i should try that [03:53] domare, I think so! I use it over the internet with no issues as well. [03:53] do u have a link to some instructions? [03:53] hmmm.....geeze. I forget now, let me review my notes [03:54] have u thought about trying VMware for you needs? [03:54] I don't use windows anymore....I just need to remotely run X windows sessions. [03:55] maybe you could load whatever it is your trying to duel boot [03:55] I finally kicked the windows habit as of yesterday [03:55] Ah, I want my thin clients to have the option to run a local version of ubuntu with ssh, or a remote X session. [03:56] Get the idea? [03:57] yeah, similar to what im thinking in the end [03:57] i would like to try some different setups in VMs also.. not sure if i can do that from server though [03:58] like a terminal server in one.. file in another [03:59] im getting the "following features not present on the CPU" after the server install [03:59] i know i need a generic kernel [03:59] network is not linking up from rescue mode, any ideas? [04:00] i think everybody here is asleep here man [04:00] ha, good stuff [04:01] domare, you could be right. [04:01] heres somebody who got VMware up.. http://www.bauer-power.net/2008/04/installing-vmware-server-on-ubuntu-804.html [04:02] <{Roger}> vmware server is sweet [04:02] under xp i have small business server and some other VMs running nicely. Im kinda trying to replicate that with better performance results [04:02] i can get it working in parallels and vmware, the laptop i'm doing this on won't connect with the network, so i need different options [04:02] yeah... fun stuff [04:02] I guess I just don't understand how vmare would help my application out [04:02] moving from the virtual environment to the real thing [04:03] oh, not me.. nevermind [04:04] u guys seen the new cisco modules that u can install linux on.. [04:04] runs on the backbone of your network [04:05] yeah, for like a million dollars [04:05] yeah.. heh.. but the network virtualization is very coo. [04:05] i just got a quote for two 48port switches with 10GbE uplinks, $25k [04:06] damn [04:06] probably the cx4 modules that threw it over the top [04:12] this is a good read for some 101 network virtualization info [04:12] http://www.petri.co.il/server-virtualization-network-virtualization-storage-virtualization.htm [04:13] i guess 3com already has some modules that run a linux system.. u can set sniffers and whatnot right on backbone [07:49] nealmcb: "the original host key"? [08:07] i connect to my ubuntu server through VPN since connection is established i loose route to internet to everyhting, anybody can help in soloving such prob [08:15] I'm having some trouble with 'automiunt' during reboot. I have checked my /dev/fstab file, but it all looks fine (except from all the encrypted shit concerning the /boot partition etc. ). Should I look anywhere else ?! [08:18] torben: You could perhaps explain what your problem is.. [08:18] You fix "some trouble" by "changing some stuff". [08:19] If the problem description becomes more clear, the solution can too. [08:20] soren : *Cough*, well... It seems that wen I reboot my box it automounts two partitions 'on top' of each other. Very annoying !?... [08:21] ... It does run 24/7 as a server, and I can offcourse manually unmount the stuff etc., but it would be nice if I could 'just' reboot and have a working system :D [08:21] When you say "automounts"... Are you talking about nfs automounting or just regular mounting done at boot? [08:22] Hrm... Good question !?. [08:22] If you don't know, then it's not about the nfs things. [08:22] ... I'll just check dmesg... [08:22] You don't accidentally set up nfs automounting. Really. [08:23] What do you mean by "'on top' of each other"? Can you put your fstab somewhere? [08:23] !pastebin [08:23] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [08:26] soren, Well, thanx a bunch... I am bit of a noob on IRC (as you probably guessed)... The link is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/9413/ [08:27] Hm... nfs... ?! [08:28] And what seems to be the problem, exactly? [08:28] ...and you really should be using UUID's for the last filesystems, too. [08:30] Well, the problem is that hda1 is mounted in /home/apach2/domains, and not /home /ftp/data/webservices... [08:31] torben: How is that "'on top' of each other"? [08:31] Heh, my To-do list regarding Linux, and my server is really full ;o) [08:34] when i connect to my server through VPn i loose connection can anybody guide me [08:34] hmmm [08:37] soren, Well, I run Ubuntu server from a USB-stick [08:37] Ok.. [08:38] ... On the stick I have a directory for Apache, containing the simple (and small) parts of a website [08:40] ... I also have a IDE-HD containing some ftp stuff etc, and experimental websites... When I boot the server mounts my 'ftp-directory' (on the IDE drive) on top of my 'Apache-directory' (on the stick) [08:40] That makes no sense. Your fstab doesn't even mention the apache directory. [08:40] You say you can fix this by running some command.. Which one is that? [08:40] soren, that's what puzzles me [08:41] 'umount /home/apache2/domains' [08:42] offcourse that removes my 'ftp-directory' from the mountpoint at my stick.... [08:42] ... Revealing the underlying 'domains'-directory'... [08:43] ... It's not a real 'big' problem... But had to reboot a couple of times yesterday, and it began to bother me alot :) [08:47] <_ruben> i'd check if thre's a boot script that does the mounting .. grep mount /etc/init.d/* or so :) [08:48] torben: So your ftp directory is mounted twice, then? Once on /home/apache2/domains and once somewhere else? [08:52] _ruben, Hm... Actually U might be ritht there... [08:53] soren : Exactly :) [08:55] _ruben, well there it was :o)... ThanX a bunch [08:56] I've just logged into a VPS with Ubuntu for the first time. For starters it's running with a root account. How do I find out how else this "virgin install" differs from a standard ubuntu-server installation? [08:57] Other non-standard things are that it's running ReiserFS, has wifi tools installed etc. [08:58] <_ruben> wifi is standard i think [08:58] <_ruben> torben: glad to have helped :) [08:58] _ruben: Not on the hardy install on my local vmware instance. [08:59] hello _ruben [08:59] This VPS also has x11-common marked as 'rc' and comes with things like make etc. [09:00] <_ruben> owh: well, atleast the wpa_* tools are standard [09:01] <_ruben> owh: they probably tried to make things easy for their customers by providing extra stuff by default [09:01] So, back to the original question, how do I actually compare it with a ubuntu-server install, or can I "install" ubuntu-server and remove all the rest in some sane way? [09:02] <_ruben> take "dpkg -l" from the vps and from a clean install and run diff over it .. probably requires some extra scripting to "ignore" the versions [09:03] <_ruben> dont think there's a "remove all but the core" option :) [09:03] _ruben: Yeah, but that won't catch any "manual" editing. [09:03] <_ruben> as that would kill ssh and stuff as well [09:04] <_ruben> owh: to cactch manual editing you'd first have to get a reference system with the exact same versions installed .. and then diff/md5sum each file to see if it has been changed .. not that easy ;) [09:04] _ruben: Wonderful. Just what I didn't need today. [09:05] <_ruben> owh: depending on the disk layout .. you *could* debootstrap a clean install on it :p [09:05] _ruben: Yeah, but that really feels like a scary option :) [09:06] owh: That's what I've done with all my colocated servers. [09:06] soren: The last time I did a debootstrap it ended in tears. [09:07] I suppose the out I have here is that I can just reinstall another OS over the top if I'm lucky. I suppose I could try that before I really break it :) [09:14] Is there a way, like lsb_release, that would show me which installation was completed? [09:15] As in, Ubuntu Server, Desktop, Alternate, JEOS, etc? [09:20] <_ruben> there might be some hints in /var/log/installer [09:20] Bloody good idea, tah. [09:21] _ruben: Crap, no longer exists. [09:21] Hi guys, maybe this is a silly question, but here it is anyways. Can a (d)dos attack cause a server to reboot? [09:21] _ruben: And dpkg.loh is empty, yay :| [09:22] omnz0r: Well, it is possible. [09:22] owh: Do you know of any "documentation" or examples of this, that is accessible via web? [09:23] <_ruben> dos is denial of service .. so getting a box to crash sure qualifies as being a dos [09:24] omnz0r: Not specifically no, but a ddos could cause all manner of issues, caches filling, drives filling, memory filling, network services crashing, each of those could cause a reboot in itself. [09:24] _ruben: sure :) The question was not what a dos attack is, but more what a dos attack can cause :) [09:25] owh: thank you very much, it seems intuitive when you put it that way :) [09:28] In this VPS I need to receive small emails that are sent to a single account where a .forward file pipes the email to a script. What email package is likely best suited - probably in memory footprint more than anything - to achieve this? [09:29] <_ruben> owh: i think i'd just go for the default: postfix [09:30] <_ruben> then again, smtp is rather simple, could write your own daemon for it ;) [09:30] _ruben: I'm canny, but not stupid :) [09:32] <_ruben> hehe [09:32] _ruben: Next you'll be suggesting that I get out the soldering iron and the magnifying glasses to repair any broken memory cores :) [09:33] you'll need a spare core for that ;) [09:34] ewook: You raise a valid point, spares for that would be hard to come by :) [09:36] ewook: Mind you, finding the diagrams and the actual board would be probably just as complicated >:-) [09:38] owh: true enough =o). [09:39] <_ruben> hehe [09:43] Does apt support wild-cards, like apt-get --purge remove *mysql* ? [09:45] In case anyone else was wondering, not as far as I can tell. [09:48] Workaround: apt-get --purge remove mysql-common [09:58] mysql I am really interested in learning that owh! [10:01] <\sh> owh, apt should support regexp...apt-get install ^claws-mail e.g. works [10:11] good morning [10:13] <_ruben> g'day [10:13] hi _ruben [10:13] quick question: [10:13] i was wondering if there was an easy way to swap from the desktop version of ubuntu to the server version [10:14] <_ruben> apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop ; apt-get install ubuntu-server .. might do the trick .. but doing a clean install sure is prefered [10:14] <_ruben> what's the idea behind to move from dekstop to server? [10:15] i've been playing around with dekiwiki on my desktop ubuntu - and will shortly have a 64bit server free to move into production [10:16] i just wanted to have a look at the server version while waiting for the server to arrive [10:17] apt-get install ubuntu-server, and shit+alt+f1 to switch to a console [10:19] thanks Deeps [10:20] <_ruben> Payo: i usualy use virtualization software (vmware/xen/kvm/vbox/etc) for that [10:21] <_ruben> for testriding software/os's that is [10:21] yeah - i should get to grips with virtualisation === c1|freaky_ is now known as c1|freaky [10:22] which of those packages are open-source [10:22] <_ruben> xen and kvm are afaik, vmware and vbox arent, but are free (depending on which exact product) [10:23] <_ruben> i prefer vmware myself [10:27] hi all. is someone familiar with openvpn? i own a dedicated server. it only has one ethernet card. can i still use ethernet bridging? the howto says i shouldnt use it with a normal ethernet card which is connected to the internet but we want to be able to play lan games and use windows filesharing and that's not really possible without the ethernet bridging as it wont send any broadcasts and stuff without ethernet bridging. [10:29] mindtouch offer a vmware image of dekiwiki - time to start learning! [10:31] <_ruben> c1|freaky: i am familiar with openvpn, but never tried it on a single homed machine [10:31] <_ruben> or actually, i think i did [10:32] it has 6 IP Addresses, - 6 virtual interfacces on eth0 but only one NIC [10:32] (the server) [10:32] clients should only connect to it and see each other [10:32] there is no LAN behind the server only the vpn network [10:33] <_ruben> c1|freaky: i think that should be doable, its unlike any setup i've done though [10:34] _ruben: i have currently set up the server using tap but still using the normal server config directive and not the ethernet-bridging stuff [10:34] it's working [10:34] but it says i must use ethernet bridging not the server directive [10:34] if i do that it wont work anymore [10:35] so now i have no idea if i can put that bridge up on the interface or if i should because the howto says i'd open a security hole [10:35] and in #openvpn noone answers [10:36] <_ruben> the mentioned security hole is probably that the clients can reach eachother, which is exactly what you're trying to achieve [10:37] ok thank you [10:38] :D [10:40] <_ruben> wonder if i shoudl create a ppa for my open-vm-tools packages for hardy/gutsy [10:42] umm, if i just put a ethernet bridge on that interface, will it mean other clients from the internet can send netbios packages? [10:43] and wont it take the interface down? oO [10:43] _ruben ;D [10:43] <_ruben> wouldnt dare to say, never worked with bridgin (other than with vmware) .. and a decent firewall should keep "the internet" out of your bridge [10:44] <_ruben> i dont think you need to create a bridge though [10:44] <_ruben> since you only want inter-client connectivity [10:44] <_ruben> which is up to openvpn to take care of [10:44] Make sure to use an interface which is private and which is connected to a LAN which is protected from the internet by a firewall. <-- this is waht the howto says, nothing applies to that ethernet card [10:45] ok and what's the bridge for then? [10:46] i really need the tunnelling of bridging but it really works allready [10:46] just unsure what the bridge then does if it's usually required [10:48] This example will guide you in configuring an OpenVPN server-side ethernet bridge. Multiple clients will be able to connect to the bridge, and each client's TAP interface will be assigned an IP address that is part of the server's LAN. <-- maybe only for this then [10:48] but as i have no lan behind the server only through openvpn [10:48] i think it's ok to leave it like that [10:48] i hope [10:49] <_ruben> c1|freaky: i *think* so too, but dont know for sure, try and find out ;) [10:50] what should i try to find out? i've allready played lan games, used windows filesharing etc. [10:50] well I finally found information on how to set up a gui for ubuntu server edition [10:50] so that's working [10:50] :) [10:51] :) [10:52] how do i set up samba to not require user authentication - ill search google [10:52] <_ruben> c1|freaky: if it was already working, then what was the problem? :P [10:53] <_ruben> gui on server .. yuck [10:53] _ruben: the problem was, im using ethernet bridging, so i wondered why it works without the ethernet bridge. ive setup without the bridge before. i thought maybe it was using that interface in a completely wrong way [10:53] <_ruben> ah [10:57] New bug: #225608 in postfix (main) "Upgrade to 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225608 [10:57] <_ruben> nice bug description [10:58] hehe [11:23] well I like using a gui but also as well just the command line to comes in quite handy too there _ruben [11:26] <_ruben> gui's are a waste of resources on a server imo [11:27] <_ruben> not to mention the security implications [11:27] true [11:29] resources is what alot of people need these days esspecally when it comes to demanding applications [11:30] there are always thouse ups and downs to things [11:31] I think I well have a better home for using ubuntu then microsoft there _ruben [11:32] :) [12:02] hello all [12:03] iam searching a time-daemon, which willbe run as daemon, and willbe check and control time all view minuts with my own timeserver. which program should i use for that? [12:05] <_ruben> ctx144k: not really sure what you mean, but i think the answer is ntpd? [12:06] _ruben: apport is _so_ helpful sometimes, isn't it? [12:08] _ruben, ill look for it, thx [12:08] <_ruben> huh? .. ow that bugreport i guess, didnt look at it, so wouldnt know the 'source' either :) [12:09] <_ruben> lamont: ^^ [12:12] _ruben: yeah 225608 is a "upgrade failed, kthx" report. of course, I haven't managed to duplicate it in my gutsy->hardy transitions, so the lack of information, mixed with the non-english error message makes it, uh, a conversation starter at best [12:15] <_ruben> lamont: heh, indeed [12:50] hello everybody =) now I successfully installed ubuntuserver because nothing else is working. but how do I get into X and xfce or something else? or is it only CLI? [12:51] ubuntu server doesn't feature a desktop component [12:51] a GUI component, even [12:51] apt-get install ubuntu-dektop if you want the standard ubuntu desktop environment [12:51] ubuntu-desktop even [12:51] ok Ill try that thanx [12:55] everyting I try with sudo apt-get is giving me "the package could not be found" [12:55] maybe I have no connection...? [13:02] <_ruben> try sudo apt-get update [13:05] I did ifconfig and there is only info about lo nothing about eth0 [13:06] <_ruben> and what does "ip addr" show? ifconfig is ancient [13:14] I have no ipaddress but now eth0 is shown in ifconfig [13:18] morning [13:21] New bug: #225661 in samba (main) "Typo in /etc/samba/smb.conf (nsuccessful)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225661 [13:26] dendrobates: morning [14:01] soren: "original host key" - i.e. the problem is that people reinstall an os, use the same name for the machine, but don't save the old /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key and/or /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key and reuse that on the new os. maybe ubuntu should make it easier to preserve these across reinstall. [14:01] lucent home? [14:05] <\sh> zul, ping bacula :) [14:06] <\sh> zul, could you add the drop-mysql-tables script from the bacula source to bacula-director-mysql ? it's missing somehow, but it would make sense, when we ship create-tables-mysql script from the very same dir [14:06] \sh: sure [14:06] patches also welcomed :) [14:06] <\sh> zul, I'm just on my way to a working build infra at home again ;) [14:07] heh [14:08] <\sh> zul, another thing is, I'll try to fix the qt4 bacula console, too...it has some issues when editing the media files (e.g. it's not possible to set a file to max 100GB size, the input line has wrong max values somehow) [14:08] \sh: thats weird can you open issues in launchpad so we can track them for a possible SRU as well [14:09] <\sh> zul, yes..I'm working on a fix, as said, I stepped upon this bug last week when I setup bacula for the company ;) [14:09] ok [14:09] <\sh> zul, manually editing the volmaxsize inside the db tables works :) but not from the qt4 console [14:10] interesting we will have to talk to upstream as well [14:11] <\sh> zul, for sure...when I have a patch ready for applying I'll push all the stuff towards debian+upstream [14:11] thanks [14:28] mathiaz: Ive added the dovecot bug to the stablereleasetracker wiki page [14:31] zul: great - thanks [14:39] hmm - I hadn't seen this before: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebMin seems like some information on why it was dropped based on https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2873 would help, along with an ebox pointer [14:39] !ebox [14:39] ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox [14:39] !webmin [14:39] webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead. [14:41] * nealmcb starts taking a stab at it.... [15:03] comments welcomed on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebMin and/or my post just now to the list, with more specifics on the config file issues requested [15:07] if I do a data dvd with gnomebaker, will that burn image files as an image? or just as data? [15:09] * nealmcb also notes WebminWithoutARootAccount [15:09] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebminWithoutARootAccount [15:12] nealmcb: are you hunting down all the webmin occurence on w.u.c ? [15:12] nealmcb: and help.u.c [15:12] nealmcb: ? [15:13] slowly.... [15:13] * mathiaz hugs nealmcb [15:14] :-) [15:15] but it would really help to have something more substantial to point at when folks talk of incompatibility with policy - I hate just passing on pretty vague complaints [15:17] nealmcb: agreed [15:17] nealmcb: you could do search on irclogs.ubuntu.com about webmin and #ubuntu-server [15:18] nealmcb: sometime ago there was a discussion about it and IIRC infinity gave some reasons about the configuration files issues [15:18] mathiaz: that's a painful prospect.... much heat, little light [15:18] nealmcb: I agree with you - we should really come up with a good answer on this one [15:20] if we collectively spent as much time actually improving ebox (or even fixing webmin) that we do complaining about webmin, we'd be much better off :-) and have fewer complaints.... [15:21] * mathiaz nods [15:23] nealmcb: eBox should be getting better since they are basing their stuff off of hardy starting their next development cycle [15:25] Hello I am trying to use IP based hosting on apache2 but my DocumentRoot is not being used within the configuration file within sites-available, it is using the default path from the default site. Can anyonehelp me with this? [15:26] excuse me, I meant DocumentRoot [15:27] <_ruben> eghjaytee: did you enable the site (symlink in sites-enabled) [15:27] _ruben: yes I did [15:27] this is so weird [15:27] this is for a second apache instance [15:27] I copied over the entire /etc/apache2 dir and changed the IPs [15:27] <_ruben> 2 instances on same host? [15:27] no different hosts [15:27] <_ruben> ah ok [15:27] load balanced [15:27] nealmcb: it seems that the only reason why webmin was dropped was the lack of maintainers [15:28] _ruben: can you thinkn of a reason why DocumentRoot would be picked up from within a VirtualHost conf file? [15:29] <_ruben> eghjaytee: apparently apache thinks the default is the best match for the request .. no errors or wahtever in the logs? (during both restart/reload and request of the url) [15:30] nealmcb: webmin upstream provide packages for debian/ubuntu - http://www.webmin.com/deb.html [15:30] _ruben: no it is so weird, it is like the VirtualHost isn't being picked up [15:30] mathiaz: for debian that seems the reason. for ubuntu it seems that some admins hated it with a passion. but the concrete reasons for hating it are hard to find. [15:30] and so it uses the default document root [15:31] I will up the logging [15:31] nealmcb: right - we'll wait for infinity to wake up and we'll know why ;) [15:31] mathiaz: yeah - that is the point of that wiki page on webmin. I'd love for someone who knows debian policy to review the current webmin and point out some issues (or maybe they fixed them) [15:31] oh dear god, help! [15:32] I have a presentation in an hour or so, [15:32] nealmcb: I'm not totally convinced by "webmin munges your config files" [15:32] and my linux server which was working fine when I left last night, [15:32] it is painful going thru the complaints here.... http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=dUb&q=site%3Airclogs.ubuntu.com++webmin++%23ubuntu-server+infinity&btnG=Search [15:32] I come in and am able to connect to it through SSH but yet it cannot get any outside access. [15:32] <_ruben> eghjaytee: try: apache2 -S [15:32] So then I turn around and reboot the box, [15:32] and now it can't even see it's eth0 or IP! [15:32] nealmcb: that's the role of webmin - editing configuration files [15:33] nealmcb: I fail to see how ebox and webmin are different on this point [15:33] nealmcb: expect that ebox takes care of not overwritting localy modified files [15:33] i can't even use webmin on mine as I cannot connect to it! [15:33] i have made a raid 5 of 3 disks and will soon expand to 6 (sata 3G), how can i tell if all disk working in 3GB or 1.5 GB i.e. Sata I or II [15:33] the only specific I got was from ScottK:... There was a funny bit today about an Ubuntu user writing in with a Postfix problem that turned out to be webmin adding 'sudo' to their smtpd_recipient_restrictions. - http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2007-11/1330.html [15:34] heh [15:34] but I don't know what that is about - lamont? [15:35] I'm not sure why it added that, but fundamentally it corrupted the config file. [15:35] New bug: #225741 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "/usr/bin/mysql_config --libs_r reports incorrect link flags" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225741 [15:36] ScottK: can you clarify the implications of that a bit more? [15:36] _ruben: hey man, I thought theat a2ensite created a link [15:36] this is creating a file [15:36] so it seems that webmin adds options when it modifies a configuration file [15:36] man that is messed up [15:36] nealmcb: Use webmin and eventually you will cry is my summary. [15:37] nealmcb: you'd edit a service, and the generated configuration file ends up with non-viable options [15:37] I've never used it, so I have no idea exactly how that happened, but it's consistent with the don't use it advice I've seen given. [15:37] jesus that was the problem [15:37] ScottK: right - that's what we've always heard - [15:37] <_ruben> eghjaytee: my understanding is that a2ensite would create symlink as well.. [15:37] thanks _ruben [15:37] I dont knwo why it isnt linking [15:37] I will look into it [15:37] <_ruben> eghjaytee: heh, no problem :) [15:37] ScottK: I'd like to know what are the problems exactly - if this hasn't turned into an urban legend [15:38] i.e. postfix won't start up? or won't work? remember we're trying to clarify this for the newbies, not hardened postfix wizards [15:38] mathiaz: In that particular case it corrupted the postfix config file and broke Postfix. I've no idea how or why. [15:39] "DO NOT USE WEBMIN" there.. that's simple. :0) [15:39] I think webmin ensnares baby penguins and eats them also [15:39] If the postfix module in webmin generates a incorrect postfix configuration file, the postfix module in webmin should be fixed [15:39] mathiaz: sure. [15:39] but that's not a postfix bug [15:39] mathiaz: Sure. Have fun with that. [15:39] and it makes all the people who can help walk away from you [15:39] ScottK: lamont: do you think ebox will be better? [15:40] nfc [15:40] nealmcb: Same with me. At least ebox are working with a Debian environment in mind. Odds are better, but it's a hard problem. [15:41] <[LMJ]> hi [15:41] lamont: nfc? [15:42] hi [LMJ]. [15:42] ScottK: have fun with that -> do you suggest that the webmin code is of bad quality or hard to work with ? [15:43] mathiaz: I'm suggesting it's not a problem I'm interested in solving. I think it's better to invest time in documentation and training to make it easier for people to properly administer their systems. [15:44] <[LMJ]> I'm really stuck right now : I can't find a way to see my 2 network card on my fresh Hardy server install : 1 eth is nvidia gigabit (forcedeth) onboard who works fine, the other one, an old 100Mbits D-link one is not seen by the kernel, nor during the boot or via lspci. I through the card was day, i've tried another one who I know it works, same issue, I can get this second eth card working please ? [15:44] <[LMJ]> hi ScottK [15:49] lamont: Any suggestions on what to ask for (in terms of more information) in Bug 225608? [15:49] Launchpad bug 225608 in postfix "Upgrade to 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225608 [15:49] ScottK: I encourage you to work on what you like, and that is the sort of thing I like too. But I think documentation actually has limited impact on solving bug #1. Microsoft didn't get where it is by having good documentation - they leveraged people's preference for guis. I think it would be nice if we could expect that a significant fraction of the folks we want to be adopters of ubuntu server to read documentation and become wise in the [15:49] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [15:50] nealmcb: nfc is short for "no clue" [15:50] nealmcb: the problem with webmin may be that it gives to much power to the targeted audience [15:50] lamont: Ahh :) :) [15:50] ScottK: for starters "exactly how did it fail" :-) [15:50] mathiaz: good point [15:51] lamont: Yeah. I was hoping you might have some suspects I could point them at. [15:51] nealmcb: if we assume that the target audience for a web interface is up to junior sysadmin, they should not be able to edit secondary dns zone in bind9 for example. [15:51] lamont: nfc about what "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" are or what "sudo" would mean there? [15:52] ScottK: well, a translation of the error message to something I know would be helpful [15:52] lamont: OK. [15:52] nealmcb: about whether ebox would work better than webmin [15:52] as in "what's ebox?" [15:52] nealmcb: If we replicate Windows sysadmin culture in Ubuntu, we won't have accomplished much. [15:52] ScottK: agreed. [15:52] nealmcb: while knowing enough of an answer to know that, like webmin, it assumes a level of clue on the part of the user that is not generally present in the target audience [15:53] nealmcb: so we could say that standard tasks should be available through a web interface [15:54] lamont: ok. anyone care to help me flesh out that one reported webmin error I've heard about? Is it a random thing to do, or does adding sudo make it insecure, or is it a syntax error? [15:54] Any ace translators recognize what language "paketti postfix on jo asennettu ja konfiguroitu" is in? [15:54] nealmcb: Syntax error. Postfix will die, restart, and die without delivering mail (IIRC). [15:55] The issue isn't that it's sudo, but that it's some unrecognized restriction. [15:55] ScottK: finish maybe? [15:55] If it had been 'bob' it would fail the same way. [15:55] nealmcb: for this particular bug, the webmin module generated a wrong configuration file [15:56] nealmcb: I don't think it's a good example why webmin is bad - ebox could lead to the same error, or a any other document [15:56] <_ruben> indonesian and the likes are an option as well i think :p [15:56] ScottK: google concurs with zul, Finnish [15:56] ScottK: thanks! ouch!! [15:56] seriously, I need help. I just went through a rescue mode boot and could get it working, [15:56] mathiaz: right [15:56] but when finished and rebooted it stops functioning again. [15:56] kirkland: Thanks. [15:56] When I ifconfig I am getting hex, NOip [15:56] if I check the interfaces file, it shows everythign fine. [15:57] lamont: That's the reporters first Ubuntu bug report ever, so I don't hold out a lot of hope. [15:57] I cannot get an IP through DHCP so I must set it by hand which it works fine. [15:57] however after reboot, nothing. [15:57] Anyone, for the love of god. [15:57] <_ruben> CannibalM: probably an error in the interfaces file .. no errors on sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart ? [15:57] ScottK: atm, it's +moreinfo :-( [15:57] dear oo.o why do you take focus? [15:57] I didn't put my mouse in your window [15:58] _ruben, the interface file is mint, even checked it against three other systems. no issues, the networking restart never gets an IP, just loops forever. Can't even break it. [15:59] <_ruben> loops ? put the output on a pastebin [16:01] can't copy and paste. [16:01] lol no net [16:01] lamont: The error message translates at "the package postfix is already installed and configured". [16:02] <_ruben> CannibalM: then describe in what way it's looping [16:02] zul and kirkland: Thanks. Finnish it is. [16:03] lamont: Does that mean it's update-manager and we shift the blame to mvo? [16:04]