[00:03] lamont, oh no .... i was looking forward to meet you [00:04] ogra: again??? [00:04] heh [00:05] .oO(and i could swear elmo lost a lot of weight together with his hair, but probably is only the beard) [00:05] *it's [00:05] ogra: No, he definitely shrunk. [00:05] heh [00:06] infinity, will you at least be in prague ? or do you skip again ? [00:07] ogra: I'll be there. [00:07] yay [00:07] you wont regret [00:07] prague is the most beautiful city in .eu imho :) [00:12] * lamont would love to visit prague someitme [00:13] (beyond wimen and beer they also invented art deco) [00:13] ;) [00:13] cjwatson, in "European working hours", where in Europe? [00:13] Europe is not that big in timezone terms [00:14] ffm, that doent really vary much [00:14] as a general rule I don't give out ICBM coordinates :-) [00:14] lamont: you're really missing out on the opportunity to have Patty be your tour guide to all the ice cream shops in Prague [00:14] cjwatson, darn, I wsa planning to wake him up. [00:14] *was [00:14] slangasek: maybe I'll take her with me when I go? :) [00:14] heh [00:15] that might be too late, she may have succeeded in retaining a second word in Czech by then [00:16] you know europeans only work like 25hrs /week [00:17] damn, that reminds me, I meant to learn at least a few words of Czech [00:17] hwilde, its insane. [00:17] the french govt tried to up it to 32 and they rioted [00:18] cjwatson: "prosím jedno pivo" [00:18] personally, I wouldn't mind professionally programming or working for canonical. [00:18] I thought it was 35/week for France [00:18] but then again i'm just a student. [00:18] http://www.triplet.com/50-10_employment/50-20_workingtime.asp "The standard French working week is 35 hours" [00:18] hwilde, what do i have to pay you to convince my GF that this is true ? [00:19] hah [00:19] cjwatson: The most important thing to remember is that "No" is the affirmative response. [00:19] nebo "prosím jedno plzeňské pivo" [00:19] persia: and /yes/ means "eat" ;) [00:20] I can see how pivo might be a useful word to remember [00:20] :-) [00:20] heh [00:20] /pivo/ /yes/ and /no/ will get one fairly far. [00:21] well, "jest" -> /yes/ is a command, so it will likely get you funny looks more than anything [00:21] Right. Perhaps I should have eaten more last I was there. [00:21] ogra, I could keep her occupied for the remainder 15hrs you are working for a very small fee [00:21] * persia heads off, thinking a dictionary might be handy [00:23] persia: coming to UDS this round? [00:24] slangasek: such is my intention [00:24] persia, cool [00:25] persia: It will be great to meet you in person. [00:25] * TheMuso gets intrepid chroots ready./ [00:25] TheMuso, wow, you're fast [00:25] persia: huzzah [00:25] ogra: Have you not seen the topic? [00:26] themuso: are you succesfull? [00:26] I'm going to hold the autosync output for a bit anyway, since kees wants to get one last toolchain change in [00:26] TheMuso, if someone added it to the end i would have seen it :P [00:27] norsetto: Not sure yet. [00:27] xchat snips off the front of the topic (which is still far better than xchat-gnome though) [00:27] oh, so Intrepid is open! that means I need to start merging/syncing things... :) [00:27] ogra: while irssi doesn't show the end unless you have a terminal window the width of London [00:28] lol [00:28] cjwatson: Damn right. Even a 1680x1050 resolution doesn't even allow for that. :p [00:28] themuso: I'm getting a failure because of bsdutils missing [00:29] util-linux got uploaded, might be mid-build [00:29] or mid-mirror [00:29] norsetto: The only thing I can think of is the mirror you are using is not up to date yet. [00:29] bsdutils | 1:2.14~rc2-0ubuntu1 | intrepid | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, lpia, powerpc, sparc [00:29] so *should* be in place [00:30] themuso, cjwatson: its http://archive.ubuntu.com [00:30] which is a mirror :-) [00:30] ah ... [00:30] did scott wake up our big mama already ? [00:30] * ogra checks [00:30] Yes. [00:30] geez [00:31] * TheMuso goes to try and reproduce a pulseaudio high CPU load bug thats been reported... [00:32] TheMuso: the hardy-proposed kernel upload today claimed to improve pulseaudio load [00:32] in case you didn't see it [00:33] cjwatson: Yeah I saw it, I want to try and reproduce without that kernel however. [00:33] * Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED. Fixes high load issues [00:33] with pulseaudio. [00:33] - LP: #188226 [00:33] ok [00:33] I like the sound of that [00:34] my impression of CFS so far has been entirely less than stellar [00:34] I certainly haven't seen it perk anything up in terms of responsiveness [00:35] the other issue that was linked back to CFS was a total failure of synergy when running as non-root; is that referenced by the upload in hardy-proposed? [00:35] that line is much funnier if you don't know synergy is a package [00:35] hehe [00:36] heh [00:36] synergy is mentioned in bug 188226 [00:36] Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226 [00:36] though only in passing, so I don't know for sure if it's the same thing [00:37] elmo: I got the funny reading of that. Didn't realise synergy was a package until you mentioned it. [00:39] TheMuso: the bug will remain reproducible until we pull in glitch-free PA, which requires alsa-lib 1.0.16. [00:39] crimsun: great, however I have never had high load with pulse here. [00:39] At least not that I've noticed. [00:42] TheMuso, is it stuttering ? [00:42] hwilde: let me find you the bug report. I haven't experienced anything personally. [00:43] hwilde: bug 190754 [00:43] is it this one ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131439 [00:43] Launchpad bug 190754 in pulseaudio "Over-optimistic buffering in PulseAudio causes underruns (audible stuttering, pops)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190754 [00:43] Launchpad bug 131439 in linux-source-2.6.22 "No sound with AMD DeviceCS5536 [Geode companion] Audio" [Medium,Confirmed] [00:43] the stutter! yeah [00:43] do you have the AMD Geode audio CS5536 ? [00:43] hwilde: I am not the one who is experiencing it. [00:44] hwilde: I am trying to reproduce it. [00:44] oh [00:44] can you find out if they have that hardware ? :) [00:44] Well I'm going to mention that a new kernel is in hardy-proposed, and to test that to see if that helps them. [00:44] ubuntu audio team and alsa-project are tracking bugs on the AMD Geode Companion CS5536 [00:44] same symptoms but it's pure hardware [00:45] (atleast until someone fixes it) [00:45] Most people seem to be having problems with rhythmbox + pulseaudio, which to me sounds a little more like rhythmbox than anything else. [00:45] However, I don't use rhythmbox, so I need to run it through its paces to see if I get similar behavior. [00:45] oh...my hardware stutters regardless of application, driver, file format, etc. [00:45] it's freakin embarassing [00:46] TheMuso: I use amarok and pulse and have problems [00:46] since hardy [00:46] elmo: Amarok uses the xine backend afaik. [00:46] TheMuso: which uses pulse [00:46] Yeah I know. [00:46] elmo: what sort of problems? [00:46] I'll install amarok later and try it out. [00:47] crimsun: stutter under load that gutsy was fine with [00:47] right, linux. [00:47] crimsun: general lag and slowdowns when I'm using amarok [00:47] crimsun, http://www.alice.org/index.php?page=license is non-free, right? [00:47] crimsun: *shrug* gutsy was better is my hand-wavy, non-scientific impression [00:48] crimsun, they have the "this software includes foo" advert requirement [00:48] ffm: Advertising clauses aren't non-free, just annoying and GPL-incompatible. [00:49] infinity, could it be included in, say... universe? [00:49] ffm: The license is free enough for main/universe, yes. [00:49] that's just the 4-clause BSD licence [00:49] It is, isn't it... [00:49] * infinity nods. [00:50] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#OriginalBSD is the FSF's analysis of it [00:51] infinity, is it debian-ok? [00:51] crimsun, do you think its possible to get upstream to split the source of the alsa plugins so we can get the jack-alsa plugin back in without having to do the cut ourselves ? [00:51] ogra: There has actually been talk about getting jack back into main. [00:51] ffm: Of course. [00:51] TheMuso, jack back into main ? [00:52] TheMuso, i doubt that will ever happen [00:52] infinity, It can't be included in main, right? [00:52] ogra: Yes, it was in main way back when, and was demoted to universe. [00:52] i saw the dscussion though [00:52] ffm: it *can* be included in main, as infinity already said. [00:52] jack was surely never in main [00:52] ffm: the only significant thing you can't do with it is combine it with GPLed works. [00:52] cjwatson, infinity, because canonical would have to put a notice on all of their ads, wouldn't they? [00:52] the plugins moved to main which was the reason why i disabled buildng of the jack plugin [00:52] or am I misunderstanding the licence? [00:52] ogra: Hrm I thought I remember seeing it in main back in the warty/hoary days. [00:53] ffm: only if we specifically advertised use of that software [00:53] ogra: Yeah I know that. [00:53] cjwatson, Ahhh... like "this disk includes ALICE" [00:53] right [00:53] we only do that for a very small number of things [00:53] ffm: Yes, if we advertise "Edubuntu, now with ALICE!", then we need to include their license blurb too. [00:53] infinity, Which we are unlikely to do. [00:54] Wait, what _do_ we advertise? [00:54] ffm: Right. Just as we're unlikely to advertise "Ubuntu, built on the cryptographic hooplah of OpenSSL!" and end up subject to their advertising clause. [00:54] infinity, but doesn't that restrict our freedom? [00:55] * ogra wants to meet this alice first before he advertises her with edubuntu [00:55] a little, but it's not a practical problem [00:55] lol [00:55] ffm: Freedom to use, modify, and distribute, not so much freedom to write silly ads. [00:55] ffm: We pick our fights carefully. :) [00:55] it's an inconvenience, not an impediment [00:55] ogra, lol. [00:56] ffm: If we were against licenses that restricted ANY freedom, we couldn't carry GPL software either. [00:56] ffm: We specifically state (both in Ubuntu and Debian) which freedoms we hold dear. [00:56] We'd be... wait, that excluded New BSD, doesn't it? [00:57] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/licensing [00:57] that lists the requirements [00:57] ffm: The very act of copyrighting and licensing reduces freedoms, really. The only "completely free" software would be public domain, but that's not terribly practical in the current world. [00:58] ffm: So, yes, the link cjwatson posted is what we care about. [00:58] infinity, public domain doesn't exist in the USA, or is legally dubious. [00:58] infinity, I think cc-3 [00:58] ffm: And for Debian, http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines [00:58] infinity, I think cc-3 is probabbly the most free. [00:58] ffm: it does in the US I believe, not in some European countries such as Germany [00:58] ffm: No, any license restricts *some* freedom, even if it's the freedom to redistrubute without the license. :) [00:59] ffm: So, yes. The point is just to know which freedoms the distributions do care about, and evaluate licenses based on that. [00:59] public domain certainly does exist in the US. Any software written by employees of the US Government is public domain. [01:00] (which covers a non-trivial amount of interesting free software) [01:00] If I want to get a package in debain + ubuntu, should I read both packaging guides? [01:00] you can, but you don't have to [01:01] the packaging guide material in Ubuntu is largely based on Debian packaging material [01:01] "It is commonly believed by non-lawyers that it is impossible to put a work into the public domain. Although copyright law generally does not provide any statutory means to "abandon" copyright so that a work can enter the public domain, this does not mean that it is impossible or even difficult, only that the law is somewhat unclear." [01:02] Ah. [01:02] (Wikipedia, btw) [01:09] Any software written by employees of the US Government is public domain. [01:09] how nice! [01:09] the geo data is also free. I wish they'd mandate that by law in europe, too. [01:10] someone mentioned that at the FSFE/FTF law conference [01:10] (I hope it only applies to paid work time, though) [01:10] in the US, goverments tend to force stuff into the public domain [01:10] in Europe, goverments tend to force stuff to be copyleft (if they do anything at all) [01:11] same should be true for universities. there, situation is vice-versa: US unis are very closed, european ones very open, by culture not law. [01:11] I'm not sure if the latter is 100% accurate, but it's an interestin gobservation [01:11] well, the federal government in the US forces stuff into the public domain [01:11] the state governments try to enforce copyright on their own laws [01:12] ah, interesting [01:13] elmo: europe is very heterogen. in germany, it even varies from department to department. the office for foreign affairs is very pro-Free software, others are very closed and MSy [01:14] some use Linux across the board, some MS everywhere. [01:14] well, thats a joschka inheritance i guess [01:15] heh, never made that connection. [01:15] Ok, on one machine, my CPU doesn't even break a sweat with rhythmbox/pulseaudio/firefox with no compiz... Time for the notebook test. [01:15] well it happened after he got in [01:15] ogra: the tech guys there are very clued, though. one of them is a debian maintainer. [01:16] ogra: I don't think you can credit Munich with the Greens, though :) [01:17] eh, other way around [01:17] heh, no [01:17] thats ude as lonesome rider rather [01:17] Munich happened thanks to Ede from the reds ;p [01:17] yeah, Ude [01:18] full name? [01:18] the mayor [01:18] tha mayor [01:18] haha [01:18] 2d1g [01:18] that's not a full name :) [01:18] * ogra never can remember the first name [01:18] but easily gooogable [01:19] SPD at least :) [01:19] Christian Ude ? [01:19] probably [01:19] yeah [01:19] i didn't know the SPD rules Munich? [01:19] right [01:19] it does [01:19] it does [01:19] the socialistic island in bavaria :) [01:19] the only part in bavaria [01:19] snap [01:19] :) [01:20] yeah, already noticed that Munich is so... not like CSU :) [01:20] probably not a surprise for cities to be more left-wing [01:20] compare e.g. Austin, Texas :-0 [01:20] :-) [01:20] right [01:20] cjwatson: heh [01:20] or the blue/red election map ;p [01:20] What package should I mark as a dependancy of my package if my package needs JML? (bundled with it currently...) [01:21] Is it a bad idea to bundle software that isn't in the repos with my package? (jogl lib, etc) [01:21] BenB, btw i eard a lot of the office for foreign affairs stuff was set up by credativ (rumous though) [01:21] *heard [01:21] *rumours [01:22] I don't know credativ.... as far as I know, they did most themselves. [01:22] ffm: generally better to package up dependencies separately if there's any chance that something else might want them [01:22] cjwatson, unlikely, some of these things are esoteric. [01:22] they actually contracted me, too. [01:22] you dont know credativ but are a german debian user ? [01:22] but only to fix some mozilla bugs. [01:23] ffm: it may well not be a problem to bundle, then [01:23] ogra: I'm not a debian user. [01:23] cjwatson, I'd be looking at at least 20 subpackages then... [01:23] oh, i thought so [01:23] yay, I think I've reproduced this high load with pulse on my notebook. Now to try the new kernel. [01:23] though in the case of C libraries you'll need them to be a separate binary package in case of soname transitions [01:23] ffm: err, too many negatives. "it may well be OK to bundle, then" [01:27] cjwatson, What if one of them is a package that is in ubuntu, but not of that version? [01:28] then it should be upgraded to the proper version (assuming this is against intrepid) [01:28] the security team tend to get upset by duplication [01:28] argh.... [01:28] This package is java, and its currently annoying. [01:29] I think I'll just try something a bit simpler, like a textbook or something. [01:31] cjwatson, Would it be bad form to package up a MIT-licenced windows app that runs seamlessly under WINE and just have it run under that layer of abstraction? [01:32] ffm: does it build with wine-dev or is it a binary? [01:32] jdong, binary iirc. I'll see if I can get the source... [01:32] ffm: if it's binary then i doubt the archive admins will be very thrilled. [01:35] ffm: If we can't build it in Ubuntu, then it's multiverse at best [01:36] jdong, if I was able to get the source, and it was MIT/GPL? [01:36] ffm: if it can build on Ubuntu's build servers, then I don't see why the fact that it runs under WINE makes any difference [01:36] ffm: The general assumption is that everything in main/universe should be buildable from source using an Ubuntu system [01:37] ffm: So, if you can cross-build it against wine, then that's great - but then you could probably also build it against libwine and end up with a native binary [01:37] WINE isn't in main. [01:37] it's in universe [01:37] And I don't see winelib in the repos. [01:37] if you can build it with wine, it can be in universe too [01:37] * ogra scratches head about debootstrap [01:38] W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/ogra/intrepid mount -t proc proc /proc [01:38] :( [01:38] jdong, Do all main packages have to be build independent of universe packages? [01:38] ffm: correct. main must only build against things in main. [01:38] ffm: wine-dev [01:38] why is main even a concern here? mingw32 sure isn't in main, either [01:39] * jdong wonders the same [01:39] ok, Firefox is making me lose my mind. [01:39] slangasek, I'd like to see this package in main some day (like, intrepid+3 or so) along with a host of educational programming utilities I'm packaging for edubuntu. [01:40] ffm, oh ? [01:40] * ogra listens up hearing edubuntu [01:40] ffm: If there's interesting and well-integrated software that falls into that category, then that's fine - wine can be pulled into main as a build-dependency. But we *must* be able to build it under Ubuntu, not just ship the binaries. [01:40] mjg59, I understand. [01:41] ffm: well, if it's binary-only then that's not going to happen. If it requires wine as a runtime (either via the wine package or via libwine), then any evaluation of it for main needs to take wine into account anyway. [01:41] slangasek, Again, I understand. [01:41] ffm: That could either be by building it with mingw32 (and ending up with a native Windows binary) or, preferably, building it against libwine [01:41] * ogra found the root cause for his debootstrap breakage :/ [01:41] W: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 was corrupt [01:42] ffm: oh, are you still talking about Alice then? [01:42] hmm [01:42] or something else? Alice at least is available in tarball... [01:42] * sladen doesn't see wine as being much different to a python, perl, or jvm interpreter. [01:43] sladen: we don't have any jvm interpreters in main either right now. :-P [01:43] it's an execution environment that allows execution of programs written is a particular style [01:43] slangasek: does gij not count? [01:43] slangasek, huh ? [01:43] jdong: no ;) [01:43] ogra: I doubt that'll be persistent, it's probably just a transient mirroring problem [01:43] sladen: well true, but we don't allow Java bytecode or .pyc files either as "source" [01:43] cjwatson, yeah, i'll wait, fuse can wait a night as well :) [01:44] slangasek: lol ;-) [01:44] slangasek: if you wait long enough, it kinda acts like a JVM [01:47] I've just realized I can't test the new kernel unless I have lum... Which is in binary new... [01:47] jdong: no, but we do have lots of software written in C that we compile in bytecode for distribution [01:47] binary new? there's a binary new as well as a source new? [01:48] bd_: Yes. [01:48] jdong: we actually compile it into several types of bytecode, optimised for running on different types of computers [01:48] TheMuso: why? o_O [01:48] TheMuso: your unfocused IRC comment is important to us. Please hold for the next available archive admin. ;-) [01:48] jdong: so as long as this program has 100% source and compiles as a .deb like anything else, I don't see why it'd be a problem [01:48] TheMuso: and, if it's in binary new, can't you grab the source and build locally then? :) [01:49] slangasek: I know, I was not going to bother any of you, as I have other things to go on with, and I can wait. [01:49] slangasek: does that mean you're dealing with it and I can go to bed? :) [01:49] cjwatson: yes. :) [01:49] rock on [01:49] sleep tight [01:49] bd_: Yes, but a kernel package does take a little while to build, and I'd need a build environment on amd64 set up, which I don't have yet. [01:49] For a book, what "Type of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs?" [01:49] TheMuso: PPA :D [01:49] I do love it when the autosync gets to x and fails [01:49] ffm: single binary [01:50] binary there means binary package, not binary executable [01:50] sladen: I have no problem with something building against libwine-dev and being packaged, just like something building with gcj and being packaged... [01:50] cjwatson, it isn't to be compiled... (exept from lore sources...) [01:50] cjwatson: You missed the golden opportunity to say "kernel module" there... [01:50] ffm: binary packages are not necessarily compiled [01:50] sladen: it just sounded like you were proposing if I build it with visual c++ 7 and tar it up into a binary-wrapper deb it'd be fine [01:50] ffm: that's why I drew the distinction I drew just now [01:50] ffm: A "binary package" is any package that's not a "source package"... ie: anything ending in ".deb" [01:51] ffm: a binary package is a synonym for a .deb (or a .udeb in the case of the installer) [01:51] snap [01:51] ffm, that question is about the finally resulting package [01:51] after you have built it (in some hours o so) [01:51] jdong: no, you need to make it buildable under Ubuntu on a buildd. Which might mean first ensuring that the builddeps exist and themselves compile (eg. mingw32) [01:51] *or [01:51] sladen: ok, then we are on the same page :) *whew* [01:52] the only particularly noticeable differences between something that's compiled and something that isn't is that you don't run 'make' in debian/rules, and that you would usually make the latter Architecture: all and do stuff in binary-indep rather than binary-arch [01:52] ogra, It's a book, it isn't built, it's written. [01:52] ffm: we all know what you mean [01:52] ffm: you are missing the jargon terms we're using, though :-) [01:52] ffm, it will still need the *package building process* not compiling :) [01:52] a package is built even if there is no code to compile [01:53] (and documentation is in fact often built from source forms like TeX or DocBook XML, even if that isn't the case for you) [01:53] and the question was about the resulting package that comes out eventually (not matter how) [01:54] s/not/no/ [01:56] ffm, imagine the package build process like compressing a dir into an archive ... its independent of the fact if the files in the dir get compiled or not [01:56] TheMuso: lum accepted [01:56] s/of/from/ [01:56] ogasawara_, kk. [01:56] *ogra [01:58] :) [01:59] nominatedarchindep is not present in legal_archseries <-- got this in a reject notice from a PPA upload to intrepid, is it a bug or am I doing it wrong? [02:00] Should my documentation depend on the packages it uses in its text? (It uses python, for example, as it is a python book) [02:00] it's an arch:all package [02:00] ffm: Suggests: [02:00] Oh, this is so much easier than RPM! [02:00] * ffm rejoices. [02:00] * slangasek laughs :) [02:00] ffm: the new debhelper 7 thing makes it even easier, I hear :) [02:01] *giggle* [02:01] Where should the suggests line go? before or after build-requires? [02:01] ffm: Suggests: goes somewhere in the binary package stanza [02:01] And what's the difference between suggest and recommend? [02:02] ffm: Basically, Depends: is an absolute nearly-unbreakable (unless you go to extremes) dependency; Recommends: auto-installs but lets you remove it without too much effory, and Suggests: just adds a line to the UI saying "You might want to install these as well" essentially [02:03] bd_, Ok. diveintopython (main) uses recommends, so I'll use that too. [02:03] there's more into in the debian policy document, but the idea is depends are things that are /vital/ for it to work properly, recommends are things that you'll usually want to have installed in all but unusual circumstances, and suggests: just enhances the package in some way but is far from required [02:03] bd_, Well, what's the use of a python manual w/o python? [02:03] selecting what goes into recommends and what goes into suggests does require a bit of a judgement call... :) [02:04] ffm: you can read a python manual on a machine without a python interpreter [02:04] ffm: You might be using python on a remote machine... but I guess if you have to stretch to imagine such a situation then recommends is right :) [02:04] I suppose I should possibly ask about that message in #launchpad [02:04] but this fits the definition of "Recommends", which is that in the /usual/ case you would want python installed [02:04] slangasek, in which case you remove python. [02:05] ffm: er, yes. You asked "what's the use of it", I was responding to that [02:06] What's "${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}" mean? [02:07] ffm: it's part of the automatic shared libraries dependency thing. It's not needed in your case, but doesn't hurt either. I'd leave in misc:Depends as some debhelper scripts can add things to it, and I don't know which offhand :) [02:08] actually I'd just leave in both, it doesn't hurt [02:08] ffm, if you would compils stuff it would automatically add libs the binary depends on [02:08] (for ${shlibs:Depends}) [02:09] In "Depends: " and releated stanzas, do you use whitespace or commas to deliminate? [02:10] ffm: commas [02:17] oh, sweet, l-u-m already has the fix for bug 224754 [02:17] Launchpad bug 224754 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "BUG ON crash probably due to unionfs when installing sudo update with dpkg" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224754 [02:22] funny, someone just invited ubuntu-usuers@lists,ubuntu.com to linkedin [02:24] it will have many friends, eh, connections [02:25] hehe [02:27] * ogra thinks 3:30 is a good time to close the lid ... [02:30] ogra: night! [02:30] night :) [02:30] get some sleep as well ;) [02:30] heh, yes. thanks :) [02:30] * BenB goes [02:32] Hey, I'm having issues signing my package. === elkbuntu is now known as elky [02:33] I get "gpg: skipped "ffm__ ": secret key not available", but my key has a comment "Package Signature" on the end. How do I spesifiy that in the changelog? [02:34] ffm__ (Package Signature) [02:34] StevenK, Ok, then. === elkbuntu is now known as elky === elky is now known as elkbuntu [02:48] Hm... [02:48] for some reason my package doesn't include any actual files... [02:48] *content files [02:48] that would be a problem :-) [02:51]