[01:49] dantalizing: Not sure I understand your question [01:59] persia: Wow, does mobile-basic-flash work for you? [02:00] persia: It's broken for most of us with xul 1.9 [02:22] /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 123456 [02:22] /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [03:06] david88_lin: Hmm I'm afraid this went out to the public [03:06] david88_lin: You'd better change password now === foka__ is now known as foka [03:31] I am changed. Thanks. === dantalizing is now known as syberghost === syberghost is now known as dantalizing === matt_c is now known as maverick_ === maverick_ is now known as matt_c [06:20] good morning === hfwilke_ is now known as hfwilke === asac_ is now known as asac [12:54] lool: It would be more accurate to say that I did not find any degradation with the updated mobile-basic-flash, and that the changes seemed reasonable (and helpful) from a textual review. [13:04] Anybody knows why the ume-xephyr-start was removed from the ume-config-common package? [13:07] lool any idea why the ume-config-common doesn't include the ume-xephyr-start? [13:09] so i just started reading about ume ... looks great, i am very impressed [13:10] just wanted to show my appreciation and let everyone know that its a great looking product ... keep up the good work! [13:14] anybody here from the ubuntu-mobile team? davidm? [13:15] so after doing the apt-get full-upgrade the ume-xephyr-start is gone [13:15] i check the old backup to see that it was in the ume-config-common package and now that package doesn't have it [13:15] if i start manually the xephyr and the hildon-desktop, boing [13:15] core dump [13:15] great success [13:16] anybody knows what is going on? [13:18] agoliveira, any idea? [13:20] * theseinfeld is sleeping...*snorrr* *snorrrrrr* [13:21] theseinfeld: Sorry, no idea. [13:21] agoliveira, but you acknowledge that it is gone :) [13:22] I am not crazy :) [13:22] right :) [13:22] theseinfeld: I don't know. I'm working on an unrelated urgent work since yesterday evening and didn't run UME since. [13:22] Let me turn on my Q1 [13:22] hardy in 1 day [13:23] Gah, sorry [13:24] theseinfeld: I'm updating an image. Let's see what happens. [13:24] full-upgrade [13:29] agoliveira let me know [13:31] theseinfeld: You're right, ume-xephyr-start was removed. [13:31] * theseinfeld is not crazy then... [13:31] agoliveira, do you know why? [13:31] :D [13:31] or what is subsituting it? [13:32] theseinfeld: No idea, sorry. Looks more like an error. [13:32] ok [13:32] I will check with the uploader [13:32] maintainer [13:32] thanks [13:32] then i fill a bug report :) [13:32] Great [14:18] theseinfeld: Hey, I'm afraid we were sleeping in our timezone when you popped the issue [14:18] I think inuka might have broken it with the latest ume-config-common upload [14:18] I'll check with him [14:19] lool thanks [14:19] lool just to let you know :) [14:19] lool actually I am quite active in ume [14:20] lool i also applied for membership [14:20] lool but you denied it :) [14:20] * theseinfeld sulks in the corner... [14:21] Which is broken again? I'm also seeing strange startup behaviour, but it may be different. [14:22] ume-config-commong [14:22] at least [14:22] persia ... [14:23] moreover there is that xf86-video-psb [14:23] in the fsets [14:23] that is named differently in ubuntu [14:23] thank you moblin :) [14:23] so this is more like a MIC issue [14:23] :D [14:30] Ah yes. The latest ume-config-common doesn't actually install the scripts. Looks like a typo. Testing a fix now... [14:34] good [14:34] * theseinfeld likes persia... [14:35] theseinfeld: I should be thanking you. I've been hunting for the last hour as to why my device has no window manager on boot. The pointer is very much appreciated. [14:35] persia, thanks [14:36] i've been swearing here as well :) [14:39] persia have to go now [14:39] persia but I will be back tomorrow... [14:39] cheers [14:50] persia: Oh you're looking into ume-config-common? thanks! [14:51] persia: Can you let inuka know if you fix it? [14:51] lool: Just fixed. About to push to PPA. Should I notify by email? [14:53] persia: inuka? Yeah email is good enough [14:53] Or file a bug and assign to him [14:53] But I told him to debdiff his .debs before upload, grah [14:54] The upstream tarball is actually infected by the issue as well: everything is currently duplicated. I'll catch inuka by mail to cover details. [14:55] duplicated? [14:56] $(DESTDIR) was missing /debian/, so the build put the target in $(CURDIR). It looks like there was a test-run of the Makefile before tar creation, so the "build" results are in the tarball. [14:57] Anyway, fixed version in the PPA: updated images should boot to hildon, rather than to default X (or at least it does so on my device). [15:05] persia: THanks [15:08] persia: I would catch inuka by the throat instead of by email! :) [15:08] * persia is on the wrong side of the world for that :) [15:09] persia: Yeah but one can dream, right? :) [17:22] so anybody been able to boot ume yet? [17:23] Xiliath: UME boots and runs, what's your problem? [17:25] well i downloaded it, made install on usb flash disc using moblin image creator, but i couldn't do any thing [17:25] so i downloaded the newest release version, of 8.04 UME and i kept getting an error for my broadcom chip saying the firmware wasn't installed [17:26] so i fixed that problem, but with the new version it finishes loading, and says Ubutnu UME tty1 [17:26] Login: [17:26] and the screen just flashes [17:29] i tried using xypher but all i get is a gray screen when i launch it, and i can't load UME from there [17:30] i tried live and live rw boots on flash discs [17:30] Xiliath: Gray screen? Are you using the PPA repository? You might need to wait for a new ume-config-common to build. [17:31] you done a boot from flash? === robr_ is now known as robr [17:36] maybe i'll have better luck after they release 8.04 and officially realease UME [17:38] Xiliat1: What hardware are you running on? [17:38] Xiliat1: The builds we publish are aimed at specific hardware; it needs a lot of tweaking to run on other hardware [17:42] Xiliat1, Xiliath: and in case you didn't, I suggest you read the FAQ here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ [17:44] yeah i know [17:46] i tweaked the target rootfs so that my hardware would be better supported, i installed the 8.04 beta just so i could easily combine parts of my install with the target rootfs to make it all easier [17:47] i've read all the faqs and the wiki many times [17:48] i was amazed to find out a month or so ago about UME and have dove into working on it [17:58] agoliveira, you a developer for ubuntu mobile? [17:59] Xiliat1: Yes, I am. [17:59] is there a plan to port UME to ARM? [18:00] i know that 6.04 has been and 7.04 is being ported by a 3rd party [18:00] Xiliat1: There's the idea, but nothing planned. Nokia already ported a form of Ubuntu to ARM so you may want to take a look. [18:01] Xiliat1: It's not hard to port UME to ARM, we just don't have the manpower to do it right now. [18:04] yeah, i read about them doing it, for the N770 and 800 [18:04] if someone is interested in port ume to arm, tincantools would be happy to donate either a hammer kit or nail board [18:05] what was the software nokia said they used to port most of ubuntu over to arm? [18:06] davidm already has a nail board, but i'm not sure what he's planning to do with it [18:06] prpplague: This is something I want to do as a personal pet project, just don't have the time to do it now. [18:09] agoliveira: we've alotted a few boards for porting projects so if someone is serious about doing the work we can donate a board [18:09] prpplague: It looks a bit slow from my reading [18:10] prpplague: I would love to get one but unfortunately, right now, I can't promisse anything. [18:10] 200 MHz is just plain slower than stuff you can find on the market; like Thecus [18:10] 32 MB of SDRAM, we're not getting anywhere with that either :-/ [18:10] * agoliveira didn't look at the hardware [18:10] lool: probably compared to what most x86 folks think of clock cycles, yea, but performance wise it fits for most projects [18:11] lool: i'm not familiar with Thecus, got a url? [18:11] prpplague: We're just super far away from that envelope [18:11] lool: a 200Mh ARM will do I suppose. The RAM is indeed low. [18:11] And to build something like Ubuntu, you got to plan some >= 512 MB RAM [18:11] agoliveira: It "will do", you would need 50 of them though [18:12] Ah I'm exagerrating, at least 20 I'd say [18:12] lool / agoliveira yea its a different realm, "ram is indeed low", most of our customers are amazed at the size of the ram, hehe [18:12] lool: Don't be pushy :) [18:12] prpplague: Sure http://www.cyrius.com/debian/iop/n2100/index.html [18:12] * prpplague looks [18:13] You can replace the RAM up to 512 MB RAM [18:13] But that's probably too low for some corner packages [18:13] * agoliveira will now will retreat from the fun and return to those damn licenses [18:13] interesting [18:13] different ballpark indeed [18:14] It's closer to a real distribution than to an embedded one [18:14] s/real/desktop [18:14] If you like [18:16] lool: so for you, something around 600MHz with 256MB sdram and 128MB flash would be more attractive? [18:16] lool: and i assume you'd be doing more software dev than hardware dev [18:16] prpplague: flash would still be a bit low to run UME; it's clearly not enough to build Ubuntu for ARM though [18:17] lool: we thats just base flash, you can always add with things like sd cards [18:18] prpplague: The current vague goals are 192 MB RAM, 500 MB storage [18:18] pretty hefty [18:18] prpplague: Depends on the usage; to actually build the distro, we need quite a lot of space, to run UME we would need some hundreds MB [18:18] prpplague: That's just the base goal, but then some spins have higher constraints [18:18] For storage [18:19] Well stronger constraints I mean [18:19] Like 200 MB [18:19] But you can't really reduce the RAM consumption right now when you want user apps to be able to eat some RAM [18:19] 200mb is big for an embedded device [18:19] indeed [18:19] Well it's an embedded device where you run Firefox [18:19] Or rather midbrowser in our case [18:20] And you still have to allow people to run $custom_app which eats some RAM [18:20] i had the mid browser working on ubuntu 7.10, i actually liked the look and feel better than firefox 3 [18:20] The main targets for UME are MIDs, not phones etc. [18:20] yeah i know though some of the mids do have phone capabilities [18:21] Sure, what I mean is that the hardware expectations are not the one of typical phones [18:21] i can't seem to get mid browser to run on 8.04 [18:21] (Where you typically find some MB of RAM, some MB of flash) [18:21] yeah [18:22] That said I find the tincantools hardware cute [18:23] It's probably not suited for running UME in its current form or building Ubuntu for ARM, but it's nice hardware nevertheless [18:23] lool: thanks we have a whole line in waiting to be released, including 400 and 600 mhz devices [18:25] is that those in the list of devices in development, or a whole new set of devices for us to drool over? [18:25] Xiliat1: whole new set [18:26] Xiliat1: most of them are actually complete, just waiting to go into production [18:27] god, that makes me want to badger you with 50 questions, lol [18:27] Xiliat1: you are welcome to join #edev and ask, there are a number of tincantools product users there [18:31] yeah, but most my questions would be like, what, when, how much, ect... [18:33] hehe, well most of them are on hold untill we see how much demand there is for these types of products [18:33] well, you need to generate demand [18:34] Xiliat1: yea, seeing how much there is starting with the hammer [18:35] Xiliat1: http://movial.elinux.org/JackHammer_Board , http://movial.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board [18:35] Xiliat1: 600Mhz and 400Mhz respectively [18:36] though these are samsung processors though no? [18:36] yea [18:37] ok, i'm confused then, UME is not compiled for ARM though... [18:37] Xiliat1:as i understand it right now, that is correct [18:39] so are you talking about running UME on these boards? [18:39] we hope so in the future [18:41] Xiliat1: right now for GUI based stuff we are using familiar and angstrom distros [18:41] Xiliat1: but the gentoo guys are also working on it too === robr_ is now known as robr [19:32] hello i'm newbie [19:33] pk: hello. [19:35] hello [19:37] /ms === pk is now known as pavolklacansky [19:37] pk: so what kind of stuff would you like to know? [19:37] pk: I'm not typing that. :) [19:38] i want testing on desktop ubuntu mobile === landley_ is now known as landley