[00:29] Good evening [00:29] or whatever time of day or night you happen to be in [00:35] hey all [00:35] any 1 in there? [00:41] hey [00:41] all are devel? [00:52] hi all [00:53] anyone know how i ca get up aixgl?? [03:10] !eclipse [03:10] Sorry, I don't know anything about eclipse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi === nareshov_ is now known as nareshov [04:23] kubuntu could be a dead distro if you guys don't revert the default wallpaper, style and window decoration to that of alpha 6 === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [05:11] well, we can all stop what we're doing, it seems the secret to a successful distro is nothing like what we thought, it's all down to wallpaper, style and window decoration apparently :| [05:14] maybe he's stuck on purple unicorn and fuzzy bunnies? [07:18] apachelogger: morning [07:19] wtf was yao been smoking [07:35] anybody alive in here i have a question regarding a bug im working on === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve === Hobbsee is now known as shinymonster === shinymonster is now known as Hobbsee [08:01] anybody alive in here [08:02] * stdin checks his pulse [08:02] apparently I'm still alive [08:02] * Hobbsee dies [08:05] Hobbsee: :( [08:05] lol [08:05] maybe u can help me fix this bug [08:05] since im new to the world of bug fixing in kubuntu [08:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/216529 [08:06] Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] [08:07] basically what i need to do with this is removed the kde-bin-kde3 dependency [08:07] and leave the kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 [08:08] what's the problem? [08:09] apachelogger found this last night and i just wanna make sure i understand what im doing so what i need to do is to remove the dependency on the kdebase-bin of kde3 right [08:09] from the report: "therefore the dependency should be _only_ kdebase-bin-kde3" [08:09] so then remove the kde4 dependency [08:10] that's the way I read it [08:10] ill wait till he gets on i did just file another bug which i can probably take a stab at in the mean time [08:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/216665 [08:10] Launchpad bug 216665 in kopete "kopete displays all my msn contacts as being offline using kde4" [Undecided,New] [08:10] so what you need to do is remove any dependencies of -kde4 in there [08:11] for some reason i dunno y kde4 likes to display all my msn contacts as offline [08:11] ok goign to start figuring that out [08:20] stdin: where exactly in the kdebase should i look [08:21] in debian/control, just search all the Depends: lines [08:21] (should only be on the "Package: kdebase-bin" section though) [08:22] not finding it though [08:23] did you make sure to download the hardy version? (Version: 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu6) [08:23] i did sudo apt-get source and got the source [08:24] what version did it get then? [08:24] how do i check [08:24] thename says 3.5.9 [08:24] look at the .dsc file name [08:25] should be kdebase_3.5.9-0ubuntu6.dsc [08:27] not finding where it says that [08:28] in the directory you ran apt-get source from [08:28] cli [08:28] cli? [08:28] nm i just got what ur saying [08:30] the dependancy should be kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 [08:30] 4 C&R's 3. [08:30] Hobbsee: so we keep kde4 get rid of 3 [08:31] yeha [08:32] still somewhat confused as to checking which version of the source i got lol [08:34] stdin: if i have hardy on this machine wouldnt i be downloading the hardy source by default [08:34] should do, yeah [08:34] does anyone maintain a repository for kde 4 trunk? [08:34] then again, what does this mean for kde3 users? [08:34] not that I know of DarkMageZ [08:35] not to go digging through files woot [08:36] the dependencies that im looking for would those be in the config files [08:36] no, it'd be in debian/control [08:37] there isnt a debian/control folder here [08:37] in the source directory [08:37] there is everything but a source directory [08:38] kdebase-3.5.9/debian/control <- it's a file [08:38] gotcha [08:38] * Hobbsee isn't sure that is actually right [08:38] than again im still not finding it [08:39] kdebase-3.5.9/debian/control: line 98: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-14), kdebase-bin-kde3 | kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 [08:39] so a simple kde3 delete will fix this error [08:40] i must have gotten the wrong source cuz even with a find its not working [08:40] what subdirectory is it under [08:41] where you ran apt-get source you should have files: kdebase_3.5.9-0ubuntu6.diff.gz, kdebase_3.5.9-0ubuntu6.dsc and kdebase_3.5.9.orig.tar.gz and one directory: kdebase-3.5.9 [08:41] stdin: i i just have the kdebase [08:41] source [08:41] from the orig.tar.gz [08:42] maybe i didnt extract it completely which is most likely the case [08:42] apt-get source should have unpacked it for you [08:42] it got an error [08:42] remove the dir and do "dpkg-source -x kdebase_3.5.9-0ubuntu6.dsc" [08:42] oh, what error? [08:43] im goign to redownload the source and see if it happens again [08:44] whats the source pkgs name i need to download [08:45] you just do "apt-get source kdebase" [08:45] its getting it [08:46] apt-get source will find the right source package if you give it a binary package name anyway [08:47] internet suxs balls here [08:49] sh: dpkg-source: not found [08:49] Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x kdebase_3.5.9-0ubuntu6.dsc' failed. [08:49] Check if the 'dpkg-dev' package is installed. [08:49] E: Child process failed [08:49] thats the error i get [08:49] then you should probably make sure dpkg-dev is installed ;) [08:49] * Hobbsee would suggest installing build-essentials [08:50] lol ok i will after this is installed lol im such a noob when it comes to all this [08:51] Hobbsee: where do i get build essentials from im doing apt-cache search for it nothings coming up [08:51] * Hobbsee also advocates reading, and using apt-cache search. [08:51] * Hobbsee thirdly advocates using a brain. [08:51] eagles0513875: it's named build-essential, not essentials. :) [08:51] apt-get install build-essential [08:51] (saves you looking like an idiot) [08:52] lol [08:52] i know bout apt-cache search Hobbsee use it all the time cuz i hate going into the pkg manager [08:52] apparently not well enough, because you didn't search for build essential or similar, or didn't see the result. [08:53] if you search for build essentials you won't find anything. [08:53] the "essential" part of that package should be named "essentials" to appear in searches :) [08:54] yes, hence the drop the s, and try again. [08:54] lol [08:54] it's usually good for searching [08:54] they should change it a bit if there is an extra letter like i was doing it should still find the pkgs relating to ur search even if the spelling isnt exact [08:54] no to try downloading the source again [08:55] no, when i search for something i want those matches, not all the 'almost' matches. [08:55] thats true [08:55] * Hobbsee notes that this might be a really fast way to stop doing kubuntu development. [08:56] Hobbsee: what? dying? (09:11 * Hobbsee dies [08:56] ) [08:57] no. smashing my head against a wall. [08:57] :( [08:57] its all my fault:( [08:57] * eagles0513875 blames myself [08:57] eagles0513875: don't. [08:58] Hobbsee: dont stop cuz of me lol ill stop before i even get started [08:58] she won't stop, shes addicted :) [08:58] fdoving: i haven't run hardy kubuntu at all, you know. [08:58] im addicted to kubuntu thats y ive decided to help out [08:58] im running the 64bit version of it with kde4 and compiz [08:59] Hobbsee: it's caused me nothing but trubbel so far, so i'd wait as long as possible. [08:59] which i was told wouldnt work lol [08:59] fdoving: u using the beta [08:59] stdin: what was the version u said i should have of the source [08:59] eagles0513875: why would you use compiz in kde4? [08:59] fdoving: i dunno lol [08:59] 3.5.9-0ubuntu6 [08:59] i was on kde3 then upgraded to kde4 [08:59] compiz is nicer than the kde4 equiv [08:59] stdin: i have that [08:59] fdoving: oh, i lie. i have tried, but haven't tried seriously in a while. [09:00] lol in a way though kde 4 is implying that alot of people who use it must be blind with the size of the icons lol [09:00] might be true that compiz got more (useless?) bling-bling. [09:00] i find the kwin-desktop-effects just fine, and i even disable most of them because they are annoying. [09:01] * Hobbsee likes compiz bling. it actually seems to work more nicely than the original bling [09:01] well, i find the kde versions to be a lot more kludgy [09:01] i got so much compiz bling on here i go nuts sometimes [09:01] so now i have to deleted the kde3 dependency right [09:01] btw, you'll need to install devscripts to run debuild and debdiff [09:03] ok [09:04] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-April/011020.html [09:04] pitti sounds pretty angry :P [09:04] now you need to make a changelog entry saying what you did [09:04] i guess i go look at the wiki for that [09:05] who uploaded that? [09:05] awen. hm. [09:06] CheGuevara: hah, nice one. pretty cool to decide to break teh api this late in the cycle :) [09:06] yep lol [09:06] sabotage :) [09:06] !changelog [09:06] Sorry, I don't know anything about changelog - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [09:07] any links on how to do changelogs [09:07] dch -i [09:08] is what you want. [09:08] does that need DEBMAIL and DEBFULLNAME set? [09:08] eagles0513875: i don't understand the bugreport. bug 216529 [09:08] Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216529 [09:08] stdin: doesn't need, but it probably defaults to something wrong. [09:08] which would require manual editing. [09:09] defaults to user@host iirc [09:09] fdoving: ask apachelogger [09:09] fdoving: thats what im working on right now [09:09] i found the changelog but its not writale [09:10] do i create a new one [09:10] eagles0513875: sounds like you need to slow up a bit and do a bit-o-reading in the Maintainers Guide [09:10] no dont create a new one, fix the permissions and edit that one [09:10] but you probably want to understand the bug before fixing it. [09:11] correct [09:11] i'm not entirely sure that bug is a bug. mostly because i don't understand it myself. [09:11] apachelogger is the one who filed it should i wait till i talk to him [09:12] ok, then i suggest followin imbrandons advice in the meantime, reading the maintainers guide. [09:12] if i can find it [09:12] !maintainersguide [09:12] !maintainers guide [09:12] hrm [09:12] !packaging [09:12] The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [09:13] !package guide [09:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide [09:13] bah, anyhow that first link [09:13] i think. [09:13] yea [09:13] thanks guys [09:15] thanks for all ur patience [09:15] would it be hand i am noticing some stuff on launchpad to pkgs anything that needs pkging [09:17] eagles0513875: dude. read. think. reread. Write sentences that make sense. [09:17] eagles0513875: you're a texan. You should be able to write readable english. [09:17] lol [09:17] * Hobbsee head --> desk [09:17] eagles0513875: i told you all of this last time. You didn't learn. [09:17] this keyboard is acting screwy [09:18] then get another keyboard. [09:18] lol easier said then done right now. no job no money [09:18] im on my old laptop [09:20] * Hobbsee notes you still had trouble ~9 months ago, too. [09:20] Hobbsee, it's that good old american education system :( [09:20] DarkMageZ: or malta's. either way. [09:21] lol malta now lol but but mostly the american system since i was born and raised there [09:21] so, you have no excuse. [09:21] and, again, do you really expect people to take you seriously using aolspeak? [09:22] sry bad habit [09:22] you can't blame the new american generation kids for their spelling. you have to blame the parents & their political representatives. [09:22] feel free to slap me when u notice it awhen anyone does [09:22] when did this channel turn into a political channel [09:23] * DarkMageZ slaps eagles0513875... it's "feel free to slap me when you notice it, that invitation is open to anyone" [09:24] lol [09:24] yes it is dark [09:26] just wondering lets say there is an rpm pkg that i would like in the ubuntu repo could i repkg it for debian based systems [09:26] and would it still work [09:27] well, you would need the source. [09:28] ok [09:29] lets say there was no source for instance u cant deconstruct an rpm and rpkg it using the debian format [09:29] you can, but you won't ever get it into the ubuntu archives. [09:31] lol [09:31] even if its repackaged [09:32] anyway back to reading the pkg guide [09:32] well, packaging is really only done properly from sources. [09:33] there are tools to convert packages, but the result isn't that nice. [09:33] i know bout alien [09:33] and ive used it its yucky [09:41] i just noticed something weird [09:41] there is no mixer icon displaying in kde4 [09:41] then start it. [09:41] kmix [09:41] is the command. [09:42] ty [09:42] now my audio hot keys on this laptop dont work:\ oh well [09:42] that's known. [09:42] they worked on kde3 [09:43] and gutsy and feisty and edgy and my blay stop forward and back keys work === Arby_ is now known as Arby [10:26] seele: ping [12:49] im back [12:50] apachelogger: u alive dude [12:50] Hobbsee: O_o [12:50] ? [12:51] im guessing nobody missd me [12:51] lol [12:52] Hobbsee: has apachelogger been on at all this morning or not yet [12:53] he hasn't been on. it is a weekend. [12:54] Hobbsee: i know i just want to confirm some stuff for that bug i was working on earlier [12:56] Hobbsee: is this bug a bug the maintainer has to take a look at or can someone help me out with [12:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/216665 [12:56] Launchpad bug 216665 in kopete "kopete displays all my msn contacts as being offline using kde4" [Undecided,New] [13:02] Hobbsee: i have a question for you if you are up for it [13:02] mmm? [13:02] it better not be "have you got a boyfriend?" again [13:02] no where close [13:02] and what made u think i was going to ask that lol [13:03] and 2ndly it has to do with packaging [13:03] im reading through the guide and i found a link to how to setup a chroot environment only problem is that im not finding one for hardy [13:05] because you did twice, asked for pictures, and a whole bunch of other crap that i found in my logs. [13:06] Hobbsee: that was eons ago ive matured since then [13:06] right. [13:06] i have [13:07] if u dont want to answer my question i understand [13:08] does anyonw know where i can find the chroot environment for hardy [13:11] The mke2fs comes with which package? [13:11] mke2fs command* [13:13] is the chroot environment necessary in regards to developing [13:27] !chroot [13:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box [13:27] ahhhhhh that answers my own question [13:55] Artemis_Fowl: e2fsprogs maybe [14:13] !e2fs [14:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about e2fs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [14:32] fdoving: -kde3 and -kde4 have the same files but in different directories, so -kde4 is not an alternative to the -kde3 binaries [14:33] though currently -kde3 would get removed when installing kde4 on a plain kde3 because it just can do so [14:33] eagles0513875: ahoy [14:36] eagles0513875: about bug 216665 - kopete-kde4 is part of kdenetwork, the kde4 source package would be kdenetwork-kde4 so the bug belongs to that package [14:36] Launchpad bug 216665 in kopete "kopete displays all my msn contacts as being offline using kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216665 [14:38] gotcha [14:38] apachelogger: inregard to that other bug u gave me last night what dependency is wrong the kde3 one or the one of ke4 [14:39] hm [14:39] a little bit of practise... [14:39] eagles0513875: try to find out which one ;-) [14:39] lol [14:40] apachelogger: hobbsee told me one thing stdin told me another [14:40] apachelogger: u need a chroot environment if ur going to be testing 32bit stuff right [14:41] im not understanding what a chroot environment is for [14:42] hm [14:42] apachelogger: u gave away the answer in the bug [14:42] !chroot [14:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box [14:42] simple description: a chroot is a system in a system :P [14:42] like a vm [14:42] well, not exactly [14:42] it access your hardware directly and all [14:42] for example [14:42] you have a chroot environment in /var/chroot [14:43] if you chroot into that directory [14:43] there isnt one for hardy yet [14:43] you haven't made one. [14:43] your bash will suddenly think the stuff within /var/chroot is actually / [14:43] eagles0513875: why would you need a chroot? [14:43] ahhh kool i get ya now [14:43] Hobbsee: no how do i [14:44] the chroot wiki confused the living daylights out of me so i create one for hgutsy or hardy [14:44] *gutsy [14:45] i dont think i need one i was just reading through the pkging guid and it mentions it [14:45] eagles0513875: if its for packaging, use pbuilder or schroot+sbuild [14:45] eagles0513875: it probably explains why you would need one, I guess :P [14:46] eagles0513875: if you're using LVM, I'd suggest going for schroot, I can get you the guide for setting one of those up, otherwise, pbuilder is your best bet [14:46] ryanakca: im on a simple laptop [14:46] ryanakca: pbuilder an easier way to go for someone new to pkging [14:46] !pbuilder | eagles0513875 [14:46] eagles0513875: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [14:47] thanks ryanakca [14:48] eagles0513875: Somewhat, yes, but if you used LVM when setting up your partitions (If you don't know what LVM is, then you didn't), I would recommend going for schroot. Enjoy :) [14:48] ryanakca: i let kubuntu format during install my entire drive it automatically did them for me [14:48] and lvm is logical volume manager lol [14:48] eagles0513875: OK, then you aren't using LVM :) [14:49] lol :) [14:49] ryanakca: lol im taking linux certification course lol [14:49] im a linux nut lol [14:50] linux and kubuntu nut in particular [14:50] goodies ;) Oh, and if your starting packaging, *realises that he'd get shot in -motu for saying this*, you'll probably want to go the CDBS route... in my /most/ humble opinion, its much simple than going the long rules file with debhelper route. [14:51] ryanakca: ? [14:51] * apachelogger throws his whole ppa at ryanakca [14:51] apachelogger: i have to remove the kde3 bin right [14:51] you can't properly use cdbs without understanding debhelper [14:52] eagles0513875: what makes you come to that conclusion? [14:52] * ryanakca points out that it was only his most humble opinion, and that following it will most likely get you shot :) [14:53] * ryanakca goes back to his homework [14:53] apachelogger: says inur bug report [14:53] *your [14:54] apachelogger: i'm not sure that a lot of people 'understand' debhelper, in general. [14:57] Artemis_Fowl: pong [14:58] Hobbsee: true, still I think one should have a bit of an idea what cdbs is actually doing [14:58] seele: concerning this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig [14:58] eagles0513875: can't find it [14:58] seele: I have seen the blueprints [14:58] apachelogger: oh sure. i'm just questioning the 'understand' bit [14:58] Hobbsee: good finding on the replaces/conflicts btw :) [14:58] it's like people 'understanding' cdbs [14:58] :D [14:58] apachelogger: heh. i did think it was a little strange. [14:59] apachelogger: so we install kde4-based stuff on kde3 now? [14:59] no [14:59] or is that package only the binaries to be used on both now? [14:59] the package is just invalid [14:59] NBS? [14:59] the bins are in different paths [14:59] seele: and would like to know if the Save button is preferable to the click-and-save approach [14:59] so there is no reason anything should conflict [15:00] seele: if you have ever used Q/KGRUBEditor you would know what I mean [15:00] apachelogger: [15:00] apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/216529 [15:00] Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] [15:01] i.e. instead of [15:01] Depends: kdebase-bin-kde3 | kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4, ... [15:01] Depends kdebase-bin-kde3, ... [15:01] there is even a typo, oh mon dieu! [15:01] Artemis_Fowl: let me look. i havent seen the wireframes in a while [15:01] seele: take your time [15:02] apachelogger: so kde 3 goes bye bye [15:03] eagles0513875: do you understand what I was writing there? [15:03] guessing is no good practice for bugfixing really [15:04] eagles0513875: btw, I can't reproduce your msn issue [15:04] apachelogger: u on kde4 [15:04] apachelogger: so if they're not supposed to replace, why are they marked as C&R'ing? [15:04] eagles0513875: yes [15:04] on kopete for kde4 [15:04] not the kde3 kopete [15:05] Hobbsee: so that eagles0513875 can fix something ... I have no idea, maybe this is a left over from the times when we didn't use /usr/lib/kde4 [15:05] eagles0513875: yes [15:05] basically what the bug is saying since they r in different paths there is no need for the kde4 dependency [15:05] interesting [15:05] apachelogger: im an idiot [15:05] i wasnt online [15:06] * apachelogger headdesks [15:06] apachelogger: u create a nother bug [15:06] im used to the old version of it signs u online automatically [15:07] eagles0513875: your probably can configure that [15:07] please close the kopete bug [15:07] eagles0513875: which other bug? [15:08] Artemis_Fowl: what do you mean the click-and-save approach? you mean how if you click away from a page in system settings your prompted to save? [15:08] same bug number u seemed to have posted it to another pkg as well [15:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/216529 [15:09] Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] [15:09] seele: no. once you change the status of a widget (eg a checkbox is checked and you click on it thus rendering it unchecked) the file is immediately updated to reflect the change [15:10] eagles0513875: Hobbsee discovered another part of this issue [15:10] appearing in kdebase-runtime where -runtime-bin-kde4 replaces/conflicts the kde3 version, which is just as wrong as the alternative dependency in the kdebase-bin [15:10] Artemis_Fowl: ah, you mean implicit save [15:11] so basically we r back to square one [15:11] Artemis_Fowl: i dont think that is used at all in KDE so i wouldnt recommend doing it for that dialog [15:11] seele: I am no usability expert :) don't know how all these things are named [15:11] Artemis_Fowl: i'm not sure if Gnome does stuff like that [15:12] seele: it wouldn't be hard to do [15:13] seele: btw I have a somewhat different approach as compared to the blueprints but I don't think it would be problem [15:13] seele: want some screenshots to tell me ur opinion on what to fix? [15:13] Artemis_Fowl: sure. [15:14] seele: k one min [15:14] apachelogger: what would happen if we changed the path and put them in the same path [15:15] eagles0513875: 1) kde4 would break 2) kde3 would break 3) kubuntu would break [15:15] ....... [15:15] * Hobbsee head --> desk. [15:15] you can't replace kde3 binaries with kde4 binaries and vice versa [15:16] that is like replacing windows 98 explorer with the one from vista [15:16] then if ur running 3.5 rnt the kde binaries kinda redundant [15:17] eh? [15:17] ....... [15:17] kde4 binaries i mean [15:17] * Hobbsee notes that the whole "think before speech" didn't get through to eagles0513875 the first, nor the second time [15:18] eagles0513875: lemme translate that to a more visible example [15:19] seele: Screenshot #1: The main View. What the user firstly sees. Uses a tree-like view: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1214640_nkgyi/KGRUBEditor22.png [15:19]