[00:00] rhineheart_m, did you type that pastebin out by hand? [00:00] nope.. I just pasted it.. I just hide the domain/machine name.. [00:01] rhineheart_m, was that stuff from mail.error or mail.log? [00:02] cat /var/log/mail.log [00:02] rhineheart_m, i want the last *30* lines of both mail.error and mail.log [00:04] cat /var/log/mail.error? [00:04] tail -n 30 /var/log/mail.error [00:05] got this: tail: cannot open `/var/log/mail.error' for reading: No such file or directory [00:07] rhineheart_m, `ls -lh /var/log/mail*` [00:08] got this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57776/ [00:10] rhineheart_m, i suppose the last 30 lines of /var/log/mail.log /var/log/mail.err /var/log/mail.warn /var/log/mail.info would be useful [00:11] herro! [00:12] AtomicSpark, welcome back [00:13] you can never get rid of me :P [00:13] yes i can, i can go and eat breakfast :p [00:13] i just had a whopper. mmm. [00:13] a what? o_0 [00:14] lol. burger king. [00:14] and now i am setting at work. listening to groovy music. [00:14] oh [00:14] heh [00:15] wondering if i should install a server now or wait till 8.08 is released. [00:15] 8.04 ;) [00:15] whatever. [00:15] i almost got it right. :P [00:15] and the answer really depends on how soon you need it stable [00:15] where do they get the version numbers? [00:16] $(year -2000).(month) [00:16] hmm. [00:16] i never thought of that. [00:16] should have been : $(year -2000).$(month of release) [00:17] well month of hopeful release ;) [00:17] i hate how m$ does their years. its always the next year... like its a freaking car. [00:17] no, month of release [00:17] so if it was delayed till may, it would be 8.05? [00:18] yep. [00:18] which is why dapper was 6.06 [00:18] oh god i hope it's not delayed that long. waiting till april is enough. [00:18] * Kamping_Kaiser was rather hoping this would get shifted to 8.06. lts needs more work imnsho [00:18] * AtomicSpark hopes for desktop alt cd will work [00:19] stupid freezing on boot scripts. i read about it and lost interest lol. only can do live cd now. [00:19] oh well. at least server cd's work. :) [00:23] is there a list of updates to the hardy server? i've only seen the desktop "improvements". [00:23] of course it's probably just new versions of stuff. [00:50] afk. [01:26] Kamping_Kaiser: is procmail needed by postfix? [01:28] no [01:28] * lamont gets dragged off to dinner === c_schmitz is now known as c_schmitz|away [02:20] anybody here use virt-manager? [02:22] no. [02:23] although if it makes KVM easier, i would be happy. can't seem to figure out how to go host > guest networking. [02:23] like cant ssh to the machine. [02:26] it makes it much easier [02:26] I had it; networking just worked [02:26] ..but the second time just now it didn't.. [02:26] hmm [02:26] can you install it for 7.10? [02:27] don't know [02:27] I'm on 8.04 [02:28] nope D: [02:38] ethana2: iirc soren is handling kvm / virtio / virt-manager stuff on 8.04 [02:38] I'm not sure what his current status on it is [02:42] ok.. [02:42] my problem seems to be that virt-manager won't let me use the cd-rom even if it has permission to or something.. [02:42] there is no cdrom group on my system [02:46] however, if you have found a bug, by all means, report it to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy [02:46] create the cdrom group then? [02:49] just add something like "cdrom:x::,haldaemon" to /etc/group [02:53] uh [02:53] I don't know anything about group numbers [02:53] I'm filing a bug [02:56] ethana2: Wazzup? [02:56] there ya go, the man himself [02:56] heya soren [02:56] oh hey [02:56] I was told about you [02:56] ;) [02:57] well [02:57] I'll file this bug and pass you a link [02:57] I guess I lit the Soren Signal [02:57] * faulkes- will have to remember that trick [02:58] ok... [02:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/196850 [02:59] Launchpad bug 196850 in virt-manager "vm cannot access cd-rom unless run as root" [Undecided,New] [03:00] ethana2: Yeah, I noticed you talking about in #kvm this morning, too :) [03:00] yes. [03:00] and last night [03:00] ethana2: Well, kvm can. [03:01] they directed me to the CLI [03:01] ethana2: Virt-manager makes some rather crude assumptions about what you can and can't do. [03:01] I tried it and was exhausted and confused within minutes [03:01] I see [03:02] ...can one of those crude assumptions be fixed? [03:02] reading from an optical disk drive isn't that high risk.. [03:03] but I was running a windows virtual machine as root [03:03] and networking didn't work that way [03:03] ethana2: Well, yes, sure it can be fixed. It's just not as high priority as a lot of the other stuff I've got on my list. [03:04] I see [03:04] ethan2: sounds like a job for a volunteer [03:04] If you can send me a patch, though... :) [03:04] well... [03:04] come to the dark side of the server team ;) [03:04] I don't really know how to code [03:05] lots of ways to help other than just coding [03:05] I wouldn't mind learning if someone had enough patience to lead me to being productive... [03:05] hmm [03:05] like filing bugs ;) [03:05] like bug reporting, testing, packaging, support [03:05] all that good stuff that makes our team rock [03:05] yes [03:05] I try to participate as much as possible [03:05] there is a mentoring process being setup by mathiaz [03:06] ooooh [03:06] sign me up [03:06] my problem is this: we need to reinstall windows because it got a virus we can't remove [03:06] we need to run the latest Office [03:06] blasted standards incompliant mi... [03:06] iirc, send mail to mathiaz@ubuntu.com about mentoring [03:06] /anyway/... I don't want that code touching my MBR [03:06] k [03:07] ..so I wanted to put windows in a little cage were it couldn't hurt anything [03:07] or check the server team wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam I believe it's listed there as well [03:07] ...but still use it for Office and such [03:07] contacting him now.. [03:07] ethan2: yeah, I know, I tried to install xp sp2 on a g4 via qemu ;) [03:08] lets just say, unless you have 5 days to wait for it to install, it really isn't that useful ;) [03:08] then again, a 350mhz process running seti at full blast and only giving qemu 256mb of ram probably didn't help [03:08] man.. I want a tablet with a SPARC T2 and an x86 chip on a card with kernel virtualization [03:08] s/process/processor [03:10] heya nijaba [03:10] * faulkes- gets the feeling nijaba is either gonna be happy, or is gonna kill him [03:10] * faulkes- whistles innocently [03:11] hello... [03:11] faulkes-: what's going on? [03:11] eh? nothing [03:12] just commenting on outstanding bugs for survey [03:12] I just figured being new with bzr and lime I might have blown something up ;) [03:12] but I don't think I have [03:13] does not look like you did... [03:14] what's your feeling on [03:14] !bug #196559 [03:14] Launchpad bug 196559 in server-survey "target of questions is hard to follow." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196559 [03:18] so in the mean time, since filing that bug.. [03:18] am I advised to learn how to work this via CLI? [03:18] I may give it a try, if someone can explain the process in a way that doesn't confuse the heck out of me [03:20] ethana2: You can add the cdrom to the libvirt xml afer creating the rest of the stuff via the gui. [03:20] the server is shipped CLI, so getting comfortable with it is always good [03:20] ok... [03:20] where is this xml file? [03:21] What you want to do is do a "virsh -c qemu:///whateveryouusedtouse dumpxml nameofyourvm" [03:21] edit the output. [03:21] save it to foo.xml [03:21] And then do: [03:21] so... [03:21] virsh -c qemu:///whateveryouusedtouse dumpxml windows | foo.xml [03:21] "virsh -c qemu:///whateveryouusedtouse define foo.xml" [03:21] ? [03:21] No, > instead of |. [03:22] oh [03:22] ok [03:22] now, I can't have any residual confusion [03:22] so to avoid being overwhelmed again, I need to really understand all of that [03:23] so [03:23] what is virsh, exactly? [03:23] and what I used to use for /what/? [03:24] ethan: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/advanced-topics/C/index.html is a good place to start learning about the server environment [03:25] re: CLI and other stuff [03:25] well.... [03:25] I'm on a laptop [03:25] never touched a server in my life [03:25] opening link... [03:26] CLI principles still apply to desktop environments [03:26] I can use the cli generally [03:26] I use it to install stuff... [03:26] I've gotten ubuntu gutsy working on a machine with two gpu's with vim in xorg.conf [03:26] ...but I have no familiarity whatsoever with virtualization [03:27] * faulkes- nods [03:27] it's all about the reading and the talking, which you seem to be doing, we'll help as best we can [03:27] (I don't know if you're aware of a certain xorg bug that makes that last accomplishment look really impressive....) [03:27] faulkes-: regarding bug 196559, I think that it is a bit to convoluted and I don't see any simple way to solve that. what do you think? [03:27] Launchpad bug 196559 in server-survey "target of questions is hard to follow." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196559 [03:28] I don't see virtualization on that page you sent me... [03:28] nijaba: I think some re-ordering may make sense but overall, I think it's convoluted [03:28] also, this is ubuntu hardy.. [03:28] ethan: it wouldn't be, however, that was server stuff, one sec [03:29] k [03:30] faulkes-: for the reodering, ok, but explaining what will be the impact of an answers over the rest of the survey? I really don't see how, plus I believe it is not that important, IMHO === puff is now known as jrhammer` === jrhammer` is now known as jrhammer [03:30] ethan: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/jeos.html thats ubuntu specific and jeos specific but it does deal with virtualization === jrhammer is now known as puff [03:31] k [03:31] nijaba: agreed [03:31] I'll make a note on it [03:31] and give some thought about ordering [03:32] so it's recommended that I use vmware instead of virt-manager and such? [03:32] Does it take advantage of the hardware acceleration present in C2D chips? [03:33] I think it's called something like 'intel vt' [03:35] 8.04 is going to use kvm [03:35] the docs are still being written [03:35] hey all [03:36] 7.04 docs on KVM are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM - I wouldn't suggest using them, but reading them will get you familiar with stuff, plus links at the bottom [03:36] speak of the documentation devil himself [03:36] ok [03:37] so kvm is a method of acceleration [03:37] that is used by xen and qemu [03:37] ok, well I have all that installed and enabled in my bios already... [03:37] I was running a vm that worked just fine.. [03:37] blasted permissions.. [03:38] two vm's actually [03:38] yes, damnable permissions [03:38] ethana2: what's your issue with virtuals? [03:39] well, when I go to crea.. [03:39] uh [03:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/196850 [03:39] Launchpad bug 196850 in virt-manager "vm cannot access cd-rom unless run as root" [Undecided,New] [03:40] ethana2: ah... okay, I also read the back log [03:40] yes [03:40] permissions woot! [03:41] policykit integration would be marvelous ;) [03:42] ethana2: ya, I'd imagine a future version will have it [03:42] are you running this on server edition? [03:42] no [03:42] I'm using this to run Office on a laptop [03:42] without letting xp slaughter my MBR [03:42] the hardware supports kvm, and it came with 1 GB of RAM [03:43] what else am I going to do with that? [03:43] eliminate rebooting all the time [03:43] heh... compile stuff [03:43] watch movies while compiling stuff :-) [03:43] oh [03:43] blend [03:43] ;) [03:44] well I don't, really [03:44] ..but that of course isn't the point [03:44] so you didn't have a cdrom group? or am I understanding that wrong? [03:44] I did not have said group, no [03:44] strange... new install? [03:44] kinda [03:44] I still do not have that group, now [03:45] of course, I do have a group for libvirtd and kvm [03:46] Mmmmm... I have the cdrom group on a new hardy server install and a gutsy desktop [03:46] have you tried creating it? [03:46] I did try yes [03:46] I'll try again [03:46] add group [03:46] group name: cdrom [03:46] ..so far so good? [03:47] group ID: 1001 [03:47] group members set to include myself [03:47] clicked ok, and the window went away [03:47] do I need to log out and back in, or should it have done it already? [03:47] can I just open that thing up again and see that group? [03:48] ...it's not there [03:48] does this mean I have to log out? ..or is this group thing segfaulting on trying to create the group? [03:48] I'll run it from the terminal [03:49] ya, try logging out [03:49] oh, ok [03:49] brb [03:50] k.. checking for group.. [03:50] not there. [03:50] running from terminal.. [03:51] try grep cdrom /etc/group from a terminal [03:51] users-admin [03:51] oh, ok [03:51] cdrom:x:24:ethan [03:52] party! [03:52] I did set it that way recently trying to figure this out [03:52] what? [03:52] it's there [03:52] uh [03:52] ohh [03:52] weird [03:52] so users-admin is buggy? [03:53] running from terminal [03:53] users-admin [03:53] Segmentation fault [03:53] Oh. [03:53] suspected as much [03:53] no wonder [03:54] I'm going to see if a bug has been filed on that yet [03:55] cool [03:56] oh no [03:56] users-admin doesn't even have a launchpad project [03:56] * ethana2 explodes [03:59] I don't want this virtual machine to see the same fate as my dual seat desktop [03:59] ran into so many bugs, so much frustration and confusion [03:59] that an essential function just never got done [03:59] ...then found userful, which doesn't work on Hardy yet... [04:00] I think I have to go now [04:00] yup [04:02] well, thanks for your time... [04:05] sure, have a good one [04:06] yup.... [04:06] I'll try [04:34] well, that was fun [04:41] * nijaba vanishes.... good night [04:42] night nijaba [04:59] how do I re-activate a raid setup? [05:00] I reinstalled, but forgot to backup my raidtab [06:25] why is webmin not supported on ubuntu? [06:26] it works just fine for me [06:26] 'works for me' is not a big picture view... [06:27] Kamping_Kaiser, help me understand then [06:27] :D [06:28] works for me is probably not the best statement [06:28] AnRkey, its guilty of reguarly breaking system configuration, and is *amazingly* buggy and insecure [06:28] you see i run it on and have run it on many installs of ubuntu [06:28] iirc, webmin has in the past had isues with security, stability and support [06:28] Kamping_Kaiser, but then are we not supposed to help them with bug reports? [06:29] eBox is the current preferred solution for ubuntu [06:29] AnRkey, pardon? [06:29] faulkes-, hello [06:29] faulkes-, I like ebox but it does not do enough for me [06:29] if it's not supported, there would be no reason to submit bug reports [06:29] eBox is growing daily [06:29] zul just put up a whole whack of ppa's on LP [06:30] Kamping_Kaiser, i just don't understand why every1 stopped supporting it when (imho) we should help make it better [06:30] is it really that bad? [06:30] I'm not arguing that webmin may have all the functionality you need [06:30] and what are the examples of this [06:30] AnRkey, go and help make it better, just dont expect us to fix your system when it doesnt work :) [06:31] well, I don't that's an appropriate answer, however [06:31] Kamping_Kaiser, Thats not cool bud. I am asking not telling [06:31] it is simply a decision made by ubuntu [06:31] AnRkey, sure, and i'm telling you what i think. [06:31] if you feel strongly that webmin should be supported, you can bring it before the council [06:31] it should however have been s/us/me [06:32] is there a wiki page about this that is hidden somewhere? [06:32] about eBox? [06:32] faulkes-, how do i do that? is there a mailing list that non council members can email? [06:33] the wiki lists the various councils [06:33] faulkes-, no webmin [06:33] faulkes-, thanks [06:33] and yes, they have mailing lists and they meet on irc [06:33] i don't want to bother the council, I am just reading up for now [06:33] more power too you [06:33] are the meetings open to non members of the council? [06:34] to a point yes [06:34] if a meeting becomes out of order, they will take it private [06:34] iirc [06:34] but otherwise, they are open [06:34] cool [06:34] thanks faulkes- [06:34] gonna do some more reading first and then take it further [06:34] * Kamping_Kaiser would have thought muting everyone else would be more apropriate [06:34] if you do plan to petition them for it though, I suggest you bring a very strong case [06:35] i have looked around but there is no complete list of problems that ubuntu has with it [06:35] or is there? [06:35] faulkes-, thats what my plan is [06:35] I can't fully answer the question [06:35] I don't want to waste their time [06:36] it was a decision that was made prior to my joining and may in fact have been something related to debian [06:36] as we work closely with them [06:36] Kamping_Kaiser, this is open source, should we not always be open to fixing things if they are broken? [06:36] i expect it was removed by debian (or you'll find discussion about it on debian-devel) [06:36] yeah i read about the debian part in their lists [06:36] AnRkey, no we shouldnt. [06:37] AnRkey: it's all about support and development, commitment to maintain, etc.. as well as the actual application itself [06:37] faulkes-, thanks for your help [06:37] fixing oss is fine, but if you have to support it in a 5 year plan, thats a different story [06:38] np, glad to help [06:38] I am trying to find an alternative and ebox is cool but just does not do all the cool things that webmin does [06:38] what do you need it to do? [06:38] you can always submit feature requests or see the latest development [06:41] https://launchpad.net/~zulcss/+archive [06:41] that is zul's latest work with ebox modules [06:42] brb, client here [06:42] is ebox going to be ready for 8.04? [06:42] i have not checked it's progress [06:42] also, ebox tends to take over a bit [06:43] in London my old network's firewalls use ubuntu with webmin [06:43] the proxy and firewall is all done from there as well as vpn [06:43] and webmin rocked for thi [06:43] this [06:44] ebox worked well in tests but the biggest problem was that it wiped configs done manually [06:44] we had a parent proxy for example that required one line of config to work [06:45] ebox kept wiping that line for some reason [06:45] faulkes-, it looks like ebox is my solution despite it's small problems that I have with it [06:45] thanks for the chat [06:47] hi! i've a problem with mysql-server install. When i installed it, it didn't ask me for set up my password, why ?? and the socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' doesn't exists! [06:48] Bidou [06:48] have you already got databases in it? [06:48] guess not [06:48] how can i get it ? [06:48] remove mysql-server with apt-get remove mysql-server --purge [06:48] that will wipe it's configs too [06:49] then reinstall, it should then ask for a root password [06:49] mine did [06:50] ok, i did what you said and there are the same problem. I did exaclty what you said [06:50] Dépaquetage de mysql-server (à partir de .../mysql-server_5.0.45-1ubuntu3.1_all.deb) ... * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld [ OK ] /// Paramétrage de mysql-server (5.0.45-1ubuntu3.1) ... [06:51] it's what i can get in my shell [06:51] when i installed it [06:51] an idea ? [06:51] AnRkey: ? === c_schmitz|away is now known as c_schmitz [06:52] then you can set a root password [06:52] how ? [06:53] http://keystoneit.wordpress.com/2006/10/28/resetting-mysql-root-password-in-ubuntu-dapper/ [06:53] google is your friend [06:53] thanks, i'll see [06:53] i googled reset root password mysql ubuntu [06:54] np [06:58] Bidou, by default mysql's password for root is not set [06:58] AnRkey: hum sorry, for the first command i've a problem :/ "Any file or directory" > kill `cat /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid` cat: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid: any file or directory [06:58] sorry about that [06:58] but i cant change it ? [06:58] i think it's an other problem [06:59] is it a fresh install? [06:59] of mysql-serv or gutsy ? [07:00] yep it's a fresh install for mysql-server [07:00] mysql [07:01]