=== ogra_cmpc_ is now known as ogra_cmpc [06:01] ogra_cmpc, i bet you dont have gvfs-fuse installed [06:01] that is the difference prolly.. [07:40] Hey johnny [07:43] johnny: do you have any time avaliable to answer some q's about desktop lock down === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [10:04] iii [10:05] hello...any one have any recommendations for thin clients? [10:06] specifically how are the entc-1000 [10:11] Hi. [10:11] achandrashekar, entc-1000 ? [10:12] I've got a problem installing edubuntu 7.10 on a brand-new server (should be LTSP server) [10:12] i looked on ebay for the ent stuff [10:12] and it seemed like a good alternative [10:12] allerbest: need more description of issue [10:12] Installation works fine until I should pick a module for my drives since the installer complains that none are found. [10:13] which module? [10:13] I've got 2x SATA drives on an Areca 1200 PCIe controller [10:13] achandrashekar, specs ? [10:13] achandrashekar: it should be the arcmsr module, I think, but loading doesn't affect anything. [10:13] allerbest: and it doesnt find your drives? [10:14] * ogra_cmpc wonders if that shouldnt just be covered by the ahci module [10:14] the module is loaded but there are no /dev/sda...-devices [10:15] ograc_cmpc: runs the cryix processor and 64mb of ram. I "think" its pxe bootable..but i was wondering if there was one that people are happy with in here [10:15] allerbest, #ubuntu-installer or #ubuntu-kernel has the more specific guys for such a prob :) [10:15] ah, thanks :) [10:16] allerbest: and there is nothing in bios to make sure the drives are properly initialiazed and such?? [10:16] allerbest: meaning..with an other operating system everything was "found" [10:17] well, you can likely switch the controller to a different mode in the bios [10:17] achandrashekar: I initialized a "RAID set" and within that a RAID 1 "Volume Set" [10:17] ogra_cmpc: Nope, it's a true hardware RAID controller [10:17] achandrashekar: I have no other operating system (besides a Debian 4.0 CD) [10:18] (which has the same problem) [10:18] allerbest, well, probably one that doesnt offer linux support [10:18] might be that software raid is your best bet [10:18] allerbest: does debian find them?? i cant think that it would [10:18] but you never know [10:19] as I said, Debian doesn't find it, too. [10:19] The card has Linux support, Areca offers drivers for it [10:19] well, its more likely that ubuntu finds something debianh doesnt (we use the same kernel, but ubuntu adds lots of extras) [10:20] allerbest: yep you are right - http://www.areca.com.tw/products/2ports.htm [10:21] the kernel guys will know about it [10:21] its just not a good time to awsk them, most of that team is in the us [10:21] so they are likely asleep [10:21] Merde ... [10:21] thanks anyway [10:21] * allerbest is sitting in the lab room of the school where the server should be ready %-) [10:22] well, ask there anyway [10:22] allerbest, use SW raid :) [10:22] ogra_cmpc: Nope, sorry. Too many bad experiences. Not fast enough. [10:22] really ? [10:22] BTDT. [10:23] Really. [10:23] i've seen th eopposite mant times [10:23] *many [10:23] achandrashekar, hi [10:23] I had software raid with Debian 4 in our company running on half a dozen machines. [10:23] hey how are you [10:23] going to sleep shorty [10:23] shortly* [10:23] it's 5:30 almost [10:23] same here [10:24] i got friggin bored [10:24] again [10:24] :) [10:25] allerbest: might help out - http://hell.org.ua/Docs/sata.html [10:25] not sure if you can use that but..it might work?? [10:26] so, did you want something ? [10:26] achandrashekar, so do you have a webpage or so for that client ? [10:26] the page describes the arcmsr driver that's not working :) [10:27] ogra_cmpc: he he ebay.com ---search criteria "thin client Linux" comes up those.. [10:27] ENT [10:27] hmm [10:28] allerbest: with the ftp site...and the driver..i guess that is where you grabbed it from? [10:28] i'm just worried its a ripoff of the ebox 1000 .... which looks shiny and small but is one of the worst clients i know [10:28] ha ha [10:28] okay [10:28] they are out in the field fo $99 [10:28] (new) [10:28] is there a decent one that people have had luck with > [10:28] ? [10:29] achandrashekar: I didn't grab it from there since the arcmsr module is offered by the edubuntu installer to me. [10:29] look at disklessworkstations.com everything but the cheapest one is fine [10:29] cool will do [10:29] (the chepest is one of these ebox ripoffs, if you see such a pic in an offer, run boy run :) ) [10:30] johnny: yeah..i started playing with gconf-editor...very very dangerous..i changed desktop background to "locked" mode and had a tough time "undoing" it. [10:30] they are great for kiosk systems that run a single app locally (a presentation etc) [10:30] johnny: that was on my own laptop [10:30] but nothing for fully fledged desktops [10:30] try it as another usr :) [10:31] gconf-editor is not to be used directy for the most part [10:31] ogra_cmpc: thanks [10:31] sabayon is supposed to handle it [10:31] and pessulus [10:31] sabayon allows the desktop background NOT to be changed? [10:32] i mean that is an option? [10:32] it could be [10:32] i think pessulus does [10:32] not sure thoough i didnt look at it for a while [10:32] i don't think it works right now [10:32] no option in pessulus [10:32] working on it tho [10:32] it's a few steps down on the priority list [10:33] the main priority is to stop some of the annoying crashes [10:33] but in sabayon ill have to see what is going on with that [10:33] and make panel applets able to be deleted [10:33] or modified [10:33] nice thing is..i have that dhcp-failover working like a charm [10:34] systems coming up from each server....load balanced [10:34] :) [10:34] and authing with ldap now.. [10:34] i think something like phpldapadmin will work great to build the tree properly. [10:35] but..i havent worked on it much...because i like sleep. :) [10:35] im really concerned about account management next..and lock down. [10:35] then ill probably be where your at johnny with getting "details" all worked out. [10:36] the lock down is weak in some senses , it needs to hack around some standard utilities [10:36] i'm only focusing on the ones i need to worrry about atm [10:36] am willing to do other things [10:36] that's just what i've been focusing on up to this point [10:36] and just making the damn thing ready for hardy [10:37] i see. [10:38] I figure..this..if i setup accounts..and kids want to piss around and f up their workspace so be it..at least its just their account. [10:40] the issue before was the kids were all using the SAME account on winblows [10:40] and they f'd the whole env up with trojans and viruses and inappropriate desktop backgrounds [10:40] but i really cant justify putting the systems in kiosk mode or something like that [10:40] what I am considering..is that maybe using a script that cleans up their account every friday or something. [10:40] thaths what i do [10:40] ever night [10:40] actually [10:40] these are completely public [10:40] completely anonymous mode [10:40] no user accounts except the machines themselves [10:41] by name [10:41] ahhh...and is that easier to manage for you? [10:41] well, we haven't had the ability to offer accounts to our regulars [10:41] so in dhcp.conf you have each machine accounted for? [10:41] but it is something i'd like to provide [10:41] we have some homeless folks who like to use your internet [10:41] err [10:41] s/your/our/ [10:42] i'd like to give at least one of them an account if he needs it [10:42] i see. [10:42] or any folks who are working on team projects with other community members [10:42] so how did you get the anonymous accounts working [10:42] autologin with a patched ldm (fixed in hardy) [10:42] just curious in case we decide that is the best course of action [10:43] the upstream ldm actually has a guest login patch [10:43] so you get the benefits of anonymous login or user account [10:43] right at the beginning [10:43] i see. ..and that "patch" is documented as well somewhere? [10:43] definitely something i'm going to apply [10:43] uhmm.. it's in the revision control system? :) [10:44] i haven't actually looked at it yet [10:44] was planning on doing that soon [10:44] and the home space is shared ?? how does that working when saving things? [10:44] i wasn't rushing, as the current setup is fine [10:44] sure, atm it is [10:44] i mean it's only shared by the computer [10:44] the python based ldm had a patch too i used :) [10:45] where you could do something like this [10:45] LDM_USERNAME=`hostname` [10:45] in lts.conf [10:45] and then i did LDM_PASSWORD="guest" [10:45] hardys has that too :) [10:45] ahh okay [10:45] hardys also has the abiliyt to authenticate users with ssh keys [10:45] and then setup dnsmasq to assign ips and hostnames [10:46] based on the mac address [10:46] hardy seems like its going to kick ass...once released [10:46] achandrashekar, it's never enough for me :) [10:46] it still needs localapps [10:46] well, its actually not much more than gutsy ... but tons of fixes and improvements [10:46] ogra_cmpc, i'm actually trying to get a fellow i know to help me with that [10:46] i saw some features with gimp like image extraction that i was really impressed with as well.. [10:47] johnny, you can do localapps easily yourself with an sshd running on the client and nfs mounted /home fromj the server [10:47] ? [10:47] (you need to copy the credential files around all teh time though ...) [10:47] uhmm.. [10:48] alright guys i need some z's [10:48] i only want to run firefox/flash locally [10:48] for now.. [10:48] install sshd in the client, add some code to permanently mount /home and have passwd and groups available [10:48] and at most.. ekiga/skype and such [10:48] ssh -X user@clientip firefox .... [10:48] that will then run ff as localapp [10:48] and use ssh keys?? [10:48] or ? [10:48] sure, but that isn't in the spec :) [10:48] its not secure and a lot of maintanance work, but works [10:49] i'm talking about actually implementing the spec [10:49] ahhh [10:49] not a hack :) [10:49] as long as you think it is a valid technique [10:49] well, i'm trying to keep away from it until sbalneav is back [10:49] trading emails with him? [10:49] its his brainchild .... [10:49] nope [10:49] goodnight [10:49] i just know he's very busy at work [10:49] hmm..well he can't stall devel forever [10:50] thanks for all the help [10:50] achandrashekar, see you :) [10:50] it should be ready for hardy+1 [10:50] or wait.. it has a name now [10:50] something ibex.. [10:50] i'll put time into it for hardy+1 [10:50] intrepid [10:51] so.. are you feeling hardy :) and will you feel inteprid? [10:51] and have you ever felt feisty? [10:51] hehe [10:52] ogra_cmpc, lemme guess you don't have gvfs-fuse installed? [10:52] we dont have such a package [10:52] the deb talks about it [10:53] so i think debian has it at least [10:53] oh, right [10:53] there is such a pkg [10:53] but .. you dont have it installed? :) [10:54] nope [10:54] if you did, you mayvb get my issue.. i'll verify later when i wake up [10:56] i'm meeting with federico sometime later .. around 1700 GMT [10:57] i'll let you know what we come up with [10:58] thanks :) [10:59] i think the major things to fix are the panel applet issues [11:00] and the gnome-settings-daemon issue [11:00] but i don't know C [11:00] the bug is registered [11:00] the gnome-settings-daemon issue stops sabayon from working cleanly at all [11:00] i'll see if federico can do the proper gdb magic to diagnose it [11:01] but i'm doubting that it will be fixed otherwise for 2.22.0 [11:03] btw, seb128 just told me he wants gvfs-fuse in the default install [11:04] this, and the linked bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516318 [11:04] Gnome bug 516318 in plugins "crash when run inside xnest (media keys plugin)" [Normal,Needinfo] [11:04] that was marked as duplicate [11:04] i prolly should change the summary [11:04] but that will wait til ater [11:04] night ogra [11:04] i'll see if i see the mounted ~/.gvfs after installing it [11:05] for every user [11:05] ok.. really leaving now [11:05] ciao [11:19] RichEd-1, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20080226/ is the text ok that way ? [11:19] hi ogra ... checking now [11:20] the line under Add-On CD ? [11:21] Ubuntu educational add-on CD [11:21] everywher in the text now .... [11:21] instead of just "add-on CD" [11:22] and edubuntu 8.04 LTS at the top header [11:23] just refreshed ... browser loading pages strangely toda [11:23] *today [11:24] make it: Ubuntu Education Add-On CD [11:24] (drop the "al" in the name) [11:24] ok [11:24] (will be in tomorrows build, i cant regenerate teh text alone) [11:28] The Ubuntu Education Add-on CD contains additional packages useful in an Educational environment - including many educational applications / programs. Installation of the Education Add-On requires that you have already installed an Ubuntu desktop system. [11:28] ?? try that for tomorrow [11:28] * RichEd-1 is back in 20 mins === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [11:38] RichEd, http://ubuntu.juliux.de/tassen.jpg the right one;) [12:09] juliux: i'll take on with a strong coffee in it please [12:09] s/on/one/ [12:09] hehe [12:09] yes a strong coffee would be good now;) [12:10] RichEd, my plan was to bring some mugs to the next uds [12:12] good idea ... i'll also ask canonical if they want to buy a couple off you to give to clients [14:38] bzip2 -dc patch-2.6.24.3.bz2 | patch -p1 -s i have used this command to patch the kernel.. but a setup is displayed to choose what files to be patched is there a command to patch all files?? [14:44] juliux: i presume you have seen the ubuntu / canonical store ? [14:45] * RichEd wonders if they would want to carry your mugs as a stock item [14:46] RichEd, yes i have seen the canonical store [14:46] RichEd, i will ask gerry [15:16] RichEd, i talked with katkin, they don't want some [15:17] okay :( [15:44] Greetings. [15:45] After a lot of work, I've got a powerpc computer connecting to my amd64 edubuntu server. [An iBook G4 connecting to a MacBook.] [15:46] My client is getting the kernel now over TFTP, and I am getting "nfsmount: need a path" on the client. [15:46] I don't know anything about nfs. I see that edubuntu is set to use nbd by default. [15:47] I should mention that I made my powerpc image using ubuntu 7.04. [It was by accident, but when I tried 7.10, I ran into problems that I could not resolve in a couple of hours.] [15:48] Am I best off to try to setup an nfs server on my server? [15:49] Armagon: google seach on this: [+ubuntu +"nfsmount: need a path"] [15:49] gives this link: http://downloads.revolutionlinux.com/ltsp-irc-log/ltsp.log.txt [15:49] i'll /msg you the discussion from that log [15:52] Thanks. I'm taking a look at it. [15:52] Armagon, thats unlikely to work [15:52] combibing 7.04 with 7.10 i mean [15:53] I had wondered about that. [15:54] There were two issues with the powerpc setup of edubuntu with 7.10 -- not modprobing the ide drivers, and something about a blank screen. I ran into one or both of them, and despite being a technically literate user, was not able to get past them. [15:54] fo the nfsmount priob you need to chek your dhcpd config [15:54] I am a tech in my school division, and am hoping to sell people on using edubuntu here. [15:55] it needs to have the root-path parameter set to /opt/ltsp/powerpc [15:55] Should I try using hardy? [15:55] Oh, I can do that, ogra! [15:55] but even then ldm and ltspfs in gutsy are massivley different [15:55] hmm. [15:56] its a matter of luck i'd say [15:56] try it :) [15:56] but dont expect it to work [15:56] there aren't powerpc images available for download, are there? [15:57] nope [15:57] I mean the stuff to put in /opt/ltsp/powerpc and/or /opt/ltsp/images [15:57] yes, i understood that [15:57] and I can't chroot into a powerpc image from an amd64 machine, can I? [15:58] if i find time before hardy release i'll test powerpc ... but its not in the list of supported architectures so its not very high on my prio list [15:58] (testing implies that i build an image, which i then will upload somewhere) [15:58] no, you cant [15:58] ppc needs a ppc cpu [15:58] you could chroot into a ppc chroot from a ppc64 machine :) [15:59] I understand that it is not supported. It's almost a shame that we have so much powerpc hardware that at the end of its fat-cliently-ly useful life. [15:59] yeah [15:59] what sort of machine has a ppc64 processor? [15:59] i can imagine storages full of old imacs [15:59] ibm machines do and i think there are some older apple servers as well :) [16:01] If the server has the files needed for a different architecture, is it possible to generate the squashfs image file from it? [16:03] Well, instead of getting "nfsmount: need a path", I am now getting "connect: Connection refused" and "read: Connection refused". [16:04] great, youre one step further :) [16:05] make sure fs-kernel-server is running [16:05] *nfs-kernel-server [16:06] It does not appear to be. (ps -aux | grep nfs -> nothing but the grep) [16:07] I suppose I want to install nfs-kernel-server, or do I want nfs-common? [16:07] ah. kernel server [16:09] common should come with it [16:09] as dependency [16:09] What would I want to put in /etc/exports? [16:11] it should be configured already, check that first [16:11] No; there is nothing in it that is not commented out. [16:11] if not, add the following line: [16:11] /opt/ltsp/i386 *(ro) [16:11] I think the line I need is something like "/opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)" [16:11] Hi, i havent sound in clients [16:11] yeah, thats a lot better [16:11] take yours [16:11] okay, I'll do that ( s/i386/powerpc/g ) [16:12] no, drop the arch :) [16:12] oh, ok [16:12] their hardware are sis7019 [16:12] if you ever want i386 clients you don need to remember to reconfigure [16:12] okay [16:12] alumno10, there no driver for that soundcard [16:12] +is [16:12] [I imagine I will at some point ... but one thing at a time.] [16:13] actualli i've found some sources and modules compiled [16:13] that an oss driver [16:13] wont work [16:13] but when i modprobed it they say "bad module format" or some [16:13] sounds like you use an ebox ... [16:13] dont buy them for ltsp [16:13] yep, its an ebox [16:14] :s [16:14] its a great thing for a standalone kiosk system that runs a single app [16:14] but nothing for desktops [16:14] wich machine could i use then? [16:15] i had hacked up the sound driver back in feisty for them ... the sounds stutters if you move the mouse because the CPU gets under way to heavy load [16:15] i ve seen this machines with sound but just with 2.6.8 kernels [16:15] now im using 2.6.22-14-386 [16:16] ltsp5 has no oss support [16:16] (actually the upstream kernel is abut to drop oss) [16:16] yes, i know :/ [16:16] so you need to do a lot more to somehow make oss work ... [16:17] and when i do aplay xxxx.wav system says pulseaudio: connection rejected or some [16:17] indee [16:17] d [16:17] ther is no working sound HW your alsa stack can connect to [16:18] pulse on the client expects something to be there in teh alsa stack it can attach to ... [16:18] damn.... that means all this clients now are obsoleted? [16:18] :S [16:18] well, even if you get them working they are no fun above 800x600@16bit cols [16:18] now im using it [16:19] and they run so so with firefox, xchat and openoffice [16:19] which resolution/colordepth ? [16:19] since they are just 11 [16:19] 1024x768@16 [16:20] and you find that usable speed wise ? [16:20] 7me didnt when he tested last time [16:20] i disabled a lot of things [16:20] that doesnt matter [16:20] and gnome of course not, we use icewm [16:20] humm [16:21] for the client performance only the amount of colors and frames transferred to its X server counts [16:21] they are pretty usable [16:21] and ssh security disabled [16:21] somewhere i read that speeds up connection [16:21] you mean LDM_DIRECTX ? [16:21] or did you switch to xdmcp [16:22] yes [16:22] ldm_directx [16:22] ah, good to hear its half way usable [16:22] i'll have to dig up my ebox for testing i guess [16:22] before we release hardy [16:23] i just have problems with videos, of course [16:23] flash too [16:23] indeed [16:23] the CPU wont handle that [16:23] but everything else are ok [16:23] way to many frames in way to short time [16:23] client cpu ? [16:23] nothing a 233MHz CPU can handle [16:23] or this is problem of server cpu? [16:23] client [16:24] This time I am getting "connect: Connection refused" [16:24] it needs to handle 24 freames per second while doing lots of other stuff [16:24] hum, damn,, so i must to change all clients :/ [16:24] in 16 bit :) [16:24] which machine can i use to watch youtube? [16:25] i'd go with something around or above 500MHz .... 128M ram ... and preferably an intel graphics card ... but via or trident would do as well i think [16:26] Is there an nfs log file I can tail? [16:26] wow... 500mhz ... [16:26] Armagon, daemon-log ? [16:26] alumno10, 233 is the absolutely bare minimum we support [16:26] and support doesnt mean flash sound localdev etc [16:27]