[00:01] deary me I'm tired [00:01] ;-) wb Riddell [00:01] so am I [00:50] working on my 5 for today, halfway done [01:15] does the 5 a day only count if you resolve them or if you update the bugs w/ things to do? [01:20] jjesse: it's each bug you touch/report/patch etc... [01:21] vorian: ah that's what i thought [01:21] working on catching up on my outstanding bugs [01:22] weee [01:22] fun isn't it :) [01:27] yeah always forgot to go bacck to them [01:27] plus i have like 25235 bug related emails these days it seems like [01:29] lol [01:30] I don't remember subscribing to backports.... [01:30] it's very very active lately [01:30] :) === krwk is now known as krawek [06:21] * serega yawns [06:21] morning, dudes! === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:53] why isn't kde4 kubuntu hardy heron cd still not available? [08:55] kristjan_: because kde4 on hardy is not really stable ;) [08:55] TheInfinity: but we have betas for kde3 cd; how is it planned to make kdd [08:55] *to make kde4 cd usable [08:56] kristjan_: don't know, i'm just a alpha tester, not a dev [08:56] (if we can't test it) [08:56] but you can install kde4 via aptitude on a kde3 installation [08:58] correction: we have alphas for kde3 cd, not betas [08:59] yea ... i hope canonical will give more devs to kubuntu, its sad to see the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu [10:14] good morning :) === _StefanS__ is now known as _StefanS_ [10:22] <_StefanS_> Nightrose: morning :) [10:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nuno is making that last buttons for the windeco today. I will post a complete overview of the style+windeco and wallpaper as I would like it to be, then we can maybe discuss it from there (?) [10:23] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ^ [10:33] _StefanS_: ok [10:35] Kubuntu Hardy Heron will ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 will be offered by shipit. [10:35] can some one confirm the above?? [10:36] jussi01: that's the plan [10:37] Riddell: we are getting that question a fair amount, is it confirmed enough that I can make a factoid out of it? [10:39] Riddell: hey, Jon! [10:40] Riddell: I continue my work on kaffeine [10:40] serega: what still needs done? [10:40] Riddell: I'm on alpha5 now and nothing is working [10:41] neither ffmpeg nor dvdcss [10:41] Riddell: I'm studying ubuntu packaging so next my patches will be much easier for you [10:41] jussi01: "Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 should be offered by shipit." [10:42] jussi01: just because things could still go wrong :) [10:42] Riddell: great, Ill add it now :) [10:42] do you plan to at least release beta kde4 iso? (since it didn't make to aplhas) [10:43] kristjan_: hope so [10:44] !khardy | Riddell [10:44] Riddell: Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 should be offered by shipit [10:45] groovy [10:47] :) [12:01] it works! it works! [12:02] KDE 4 live CD is go! [12:04] \o/ [12:04] needs testing? [12:05] * jussi01 hugs Riddell ... can I have one?? [12:08] ubiquity doesn't seem to want to launch [12:08] and it didn't bulid for amd64 [12:08] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/20080225/ [12:09] alternates need testing too http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/20080225/ [12:09] *downloading kde 4 live cd* [12:09] * jussi01 also [12:11] yumm almost 1 mb per second download :D [12:49] is this like alpha5? or something else? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha5/Kubuntu <-- not in news [12:50] alpha 5 is out [12:50] it's kde 3 only [12:54] wouldn't it make sense to mention hardy-kde4 cd @kubuntu.org ? or this is too early for regular users to test and report bugs? [12:59] too early [12:59] I'll fix ubiquity and then probably release it as a first shot eat your children alpha [13:00] meduxa: what's the name of the guy who was at fosdem? [13:03] gonzalo aller [13:04] president of the canary islands linux companies association [13:04] and probably next vice-president of the spanish linux companies federation [13:04] is Richard Dale boss [13:04] he works with me [13:05] is a close friend [13:05] he is a ruby fan [13:05] specially RoR [13:07] that's the dude [13:37] "dude"? I thought only Americans said that, hehe [13:38] Riddell probably doesn't know where is he from any more, too much travelling [13:40] lol === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [14:44] heh, this wallpaper resembles tentacles [15:30] Riddell: tested the kde 4 live cd - where do you want me to report problems? here or on the iso-tester site? (I don´t know if the problems I found are known/are important enough yet) [15:31] Nightrose: here [15:32] ok [15:32] 1: I get the language selection menu when I boot into the live cd - without pressing any buttons to get it [15:33] that's a featur [15:33] that's a feature [15:33] it looks ugly as everyone agrees [15:33] oO don´t like it really - but ok [15:33] 2: konqueror crashes when I want to open any folder from the start menu [15:34] 3: gwenview crashes on startup [15:34] 4: fonts look strange [15:34] 5: I can´t lock the session - "no sutible greeter plugin found" [15:34] they aren't anti-aliased [15:35] 6: help is empty [15:35] that´s it :) [15:35] thanks, we can live with those for a first alpha but we should look into them [15:35] oh and: user is called "ubuntu" - maybe rename to kubuntu? [15:35] Nightrose: are you still running it? can you test if ubiquity starts? [15:35] nope already booted back into my normal system :( [15:36] can boot back into the live cd tonight if you want [15:36] need to work now though [15:36] hopefully we'll have new ones later for testing [15:36] ok [15:36] Ill be booting into it as soon as it downloads here at home. [15:37] ping me when it needs testing [15:37] nice to see the amd64ones finally built [15:37] they did? [15:37] jussi01: where? [15:37] url? [15:37] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/20080225/ [15:37] jussi01: oh, that won't work I'm pretty sure [15:37] oh...ok then :( [15:38] jussi01: but keep downloading, we'll get fixed ones in a few hours then you can rsync [15:38] Riddell: Im not on amd64 here, only at work [15:38] should I installe ir or is a live cd? [15:38] install it [15:39] toscalix: same as normal, choice of live CD with installer or text based installer [15:39] ok [15:39] downloading [15:40] toscalix: which one? [15:40] hardy-alternate-i386.iso [15:40] any other one? [15:40] toscalix: it won't work [15:40] ah, which one can I try then? [15:40] toscalix: you can try the live desktop CD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/20080225/ [15:41] ok, downloading [15:41] btw: Riddell - please share some fosdem pics when you find the time :) [15:42] at 300 Kb [15:42] toscalix: and you can try this patch to see if it fixes the installer running http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity.diff [15:43] ok, I'll try it while working here [16:02] hi _Sime_, you missed a rocking fosdem [16:35] Nightrose: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/ [16:35] wohooo thx Riddell :) [16:36] Riddell: last pic is from may last year :/ [16:43] hrm, digikam has set them to private [16:46] Nightrose: try now? [16:47] yay [16:47] works :) [16:47] nice pics [16:48] I'll get bart's in a bit [16:48] pics? from fosdem? [16:48] cool [16:49] iRon: jep [16:49] iRon: I forgot my camera :( [16:50] Nightrose: do you have e-mail addresses for neil and manual? [16:50] jep - give me a second [16:51] Riddell: could you please post link to pics again? i missed it.. [16:52] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/ [16:52] thanks! [17:17] Network settings [17:17] * Trying to configurate the network with a static IP, I get in network settings a windows that says : [17:17] the shared library was not found. Library not found, so I cannot configure it [17:18] this is with hardy alpha [17:18] General desktop issues [17:18] * I have 4 desktops, it would be better to have only two, like in the others kubuntu distros [17:18] * In new K menu, I would change the word "leave" by the more international word "exit" [17:19] Desktop [17:19] * When I try to enable the desktop effects....it does not let me. [17:19] * When i try to test screenservers...it won't let me (the ramdom one) [17:19] toscalix: File bugs please. [17:19] BTW, the # of desktops is configurable. [17:20] toscalix: this is kde 4? [17:20] yes [17:20] May not be configurable in KDE4 then. Dunno. [17:20] where do I send them? [17:20] number of desktops will be changed when kubuntu-default-settings-kde4 works [17:21] !bugs > toscalix [17:21] I have 4 or 5 more [17:21] text needs to be changed upstream or it'll break all the translations [17:21] desktop effects is down to kwin and X [17:22] here is fine, I'm as likely to read it as bugs [17:23] I prefer if you don't mind to write them here for now [17:23] and with more time read about how to report bugs in kubuntu in launchpad [17:23] ok? === jpetso is now known as jpetsobot === jpetsobot is now known as jpetso [17:25] toscalix: ok [17:25] some of these are suggestions [17:25] Appearance [17:25] * Maybe the default font size is too small [17:25] Date and time [17:25] * I cannot change any settings [17:26] Mouse settings [17:26] * Left handed config do not works properly on the left menu of that config screen [17:26] Home directory [17:26] * Cannot open home directory. konqueror crashes with a SIGABRT signal. [17:26] that's it for know [17:27] wow. are you trying to crash your system? :-) where did you get all this errors? [17:28] desktop CD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/20080225/ [17:28] * ScottK hands toscalix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug [17:28] ScottK: "I prefer if you don't mind to write them here for now" ;-) [17:29] jpatrick: Yeah. Handed it to him for later. [17:31] ok, I'm trying to file them in launchpad, let's see how it goes.. [17:32] don't forget too check if they're already filed [17:32] toscalix: well, many of those are upstream issues [17:33] toscalix: Date and time, Mouse settings are [17:33] I'll check first [17:34] whick alpha version is this, alpha 4? [17:36] toscalix: it's not an alpha [17:37] DaSkreech: hello again [17:37] * DaSkreech bows [17:38] how do I report it then so you know wich release I'm refering to? [17:38] toscalix: bugs in launchpad don't take version numbers === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [17:38] I can do more tests tomorrow... [17:38] toscalix: but you can write down: version x.y.z [17:38] ok, I see === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk === rdieter_afk is now known as rdieter [17:39] I can put the daily-live/20080225 [17:39] ok? [17:42] toscalix: pl [17:42] ok [17:46] where do I put the suggestions? [17:46] blueprints? [17:48] here is best [17:48] somethings wrong with the translation tab in Systemsettings/KDE3 about-dialog... the email adresses do not stand next to their contributors, but another one. same for d3lphin. dunno about kde4 apps since i did not install i18n packages [17:48] ok, so I'm done for today. More tomorrow [17:49] thanks toscalix [17:49] thank you. I wish I could have more time to do things like this.... [17:49] I enjoy myself [17:58] I saw russian translation bug in ubiquity [18:06] serega: if it's just a bad translation you can change it in launchpad translations [18:10] ok. it's tiny mistake of word form, I'll ask someone to guide me later [18:10] or google [18:21] Riddell: i am going to publish the german translation of the alpha 5 announcement. is it ok to include the "traditional" introduction, new in x.y and feedback, as it has been in the former announcement? since it is not in the original announcement of alpha 5 [18:22] blizzzek: sure, if you want [18:23] howdy [18:23] Riddell: ty [18:25] jeesh, another winter storm warning...do these things ever end [18:32] god, I've built a .deb! [18:36] Riddell: I am now in a vmware instance of the kde4 live cd, if there is anything you want to know/have tested [18:38] the old gutsy cd? [18:38] no, the new hardy one [18:39] is there some linkage to it? [18:39] nevermind [18:39] found it [18:39] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/20080225/ [18:39] gah [18:39] too late :D [18:40] jussi01» toscalix has been beating that one up and finding the holes :) [18:40] hehe [18:40] nosrednaekim: hehe ok [18:40] I am grabbing the alternate to install on my desktop [18:41] no 64-bit yet? [18:41] no [18:41] that is what I am downloading [18:41] it didnt build [18:41] only alternate 64 bit [18:41] ahh [18:41] ya, that is the one I am dl'n ;) [18:42] btw, if you guys didnt see earlier, I added a factoid for the 2 cd hardy thing, (so you dont have to type it so much when people ask :) [18:42] !khardy [18:42] Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 should be offered by shipit [18:43] :) [18:43] groovy [18:43] heh, my daughter told me not to say groovy anymore, as it isn't cool [18:43] ehhehehe [18:43] I should say tight, I guess that is the new word, but I told her I am to cool to say tight [18:43] so now she is saying groovy [18:43] nice [18:44] and how old is she? [18:44] ya, usually I don't win with her [18:44] 11.5 [18:44] hehe [18:44] she isn't a fan of KDE 4 right now though [18:44] * serega feels so sorry... :( [18:45] nah, she is doing fine with Kubuntu + KDE Edu [18:45] hmmm, nothing seems to work on here [18:45] on the livecd or after installing? [18:45] I haven found an app that loads yet [18:45] livecd [18:45] cant install as ubiquity does not load... [18:46] hopefully the alternate will install [18:46] yeah [18:46] nixternal: alternate will not install [18:46] * nixternal hits cancel [18:47] thanks for telling me now instead of an hour from now when it finished downloading :) [18:47] hehe [18:48] nixternal: it wouldnt have been a big problem though, you could just have rsynced it tomorrow... [18:48] afternoon [18:48] jussi01: true, but it was downloading really slow [18:48] howdy jjesse [18:48] man are you lucky you are in the ATL [18:48] hello nixternal [18:48] why am i lucky i'm in the atl? [18:48] O'Hare is already cancelling flights [18:48] wow for what? fog ? [18:49] another winter storm going to be hitting us tonight through tomorrow [18:49] 6 to 12 inches [18:49] ah that sucks [18:49] tell me about it [18:49] i'm sick of snow [18:49] our snow had almost melted too [18:49] its even worse when you leave it and then go back to it [18:49] * jussi01 is glad he isnt flying anywhere today [18:49] and we'll be getting rain.... [18:49] nosrednaekim: Uk? [18:49] and since he ground is frozen.. its gonna be mud soup [18:49] NJ [18:49] it is supposed to start out as rain here then turn over to freezing rain, then to snow [18:50] nosrednaekim: I think you guys got nailed last week hard enough anyways [18:50] * jussi01 has had about 15cm snow in the last day or so [18:50] but then again, thats normal... [18:50] yeah... it was nasty, and to make it worse, our power went out for 10 hours [18:51] bye, guys [18:51] I know ScottK's area got nailed with ice last week, I seen some pictures from southern Maryland from that storm, that was a lot of ice [18:51] bye serega [18:51] later serega [18:52] * jpatrick has only had sun [18:52] oh shsshhhh [18:53] you will ruin our moaning session... [18:56] Riddell: as for the printer-config stuff, that is a mess....maintenance_command was a little goofy to figure out [18:56] I need to figure out where the "clean printer heads" button is located if it is located anywhere and get to testing [18:57] it's in the printer configuration bit [18:57] just hidden I take it [18:57] yes [18:57] OK..I will play a little more with it today [18:59] bah, it is right there in plain view..I didn't even see it [19:00] watch out, it might bite you [19:00] The ice didn't seem so bad, but then when you work from home you perspective can be a big skewed. [19:02] jjesse we have reached 25ºC today (sunny day). That's why we should celebrate aKademy or the ubuntu summit here, in the canary islands..... [19:02] and I also save a lot of money...jeje [19:03] toscalix: oh stop making me jealous.... goes to corner and cries [19:04] toscalix» Akademy was going there last I heard [19:04] no, that hasn't been decided [19:05] we are only making a proposal [19:05] hopefully it will be official (our proposal) march 30th [19:06] we are working on it [19:06] ah. [19:20] Riddell: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10224223@N04/ <- nikolaj´s photos [19:25] there's none of me! [19:27] anyone ever seen plasma starting to chew up massive amounts of cpu shortly after login and causing xorg to do the same? [19:28] it did that the second time in a row for me today [19:29] Riddell: there is if you count an arm on http://www.flickr.com/photos/10224223@N04/2290982371/ and 1/2 head on http://www.flickr.com/photos/10224223@N04/2291774834/ ;-) [19:42] Riddell: Im thinking to add a peice to the !khardy factoid about the LTS non event for kubuntu, would you agree? [19:43] jussi01: you can say "KDE 3 CD commercially supported for 18 months. KDE 4 community supported." [19:45] Riddell: ahh, thank you - so no explicit mention of LTS? [19:49] !khardy | Riddell [19:49] Riddell: Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported. [20:48] Nightrose: many more photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/ [20:49] \o/ thx [20:49] :) [20:51] ooo... Quassel LOOKS nice [20:54] oooh, are there gutsy debs somewhere? [20:54] what is it? [20:54] nosrednaekim: yeah.. especially with oxygen style [20:54] Riddell: a new irc client [20:54] jussi01» compuled from sourse [20:54] Riddell: QT4 irc client [20:54] Riddell: Manuel is one of its developers ;-) [20:54] Riddell: http://quassel-irc.org/ [20:56] I knew I'd heard of it [20:56] jussi01: I think apachelogger had some debs somewhere [20:56] yea he is packaging it [20:56] he should be on his way home from brussels right now [20:57] or sleeping ;-) [20:59] or both [21:00] :) [21:01] http://quassel-irc.org/node/41 wow that looks confusing :P [21:02] i've always loved the sheer simplicity of konversation [21:02] I like the idea of the quassel-core [21:02] and qt4 themeing [21:03] I wonder what its like for scripts... [21:03] no script support yet [21:03] i'm not sure whether i like or loathe the idea of a client server irc client [21:04] nosrednaekim: not for me then :( [21:04] sounds almost like an oxymoron :P [21:04] jussi01» its still alpha... but its lookin nice. [21:05] and you can use it without a server as well [21:05] nosrednaekim: yeah, Ill give it a go, but not for general use, at the very least I need my auto_bleh.pl :) [21:08] Riddell: I will have a look at ksniffer tomorrow - thx :) [21:09] bddebian: who uploaded kguitar for you? I wanna try my luck getting the new release in [21:12] jpatrick: Frank Lichtenheld (djpig) [21:12] bddebian: email I can spam? [21:13] djpig@d.o [21:14] gotcha, thanks [21:14] * jussi01 waits for quassel to build [21:19] bddebian: I *hope* he has no obsession with "relibtoolizing" [21:24] who's buying lunch? I am hungry, sushi work? if so, I eat about $50 USD worth [21:24] and that doesn't include the $20 of Sapporo nor the $10 for Sake :p [21:25] those of you with the Euro, you can pay, $80 USD worth of food is cheap for you now :) [21:25] nixternal: well, Canonical's buying lunch for us in UDS by what I've heard [21:26] well, I have to graduate that Friday, so it isn't looking good just yet for me [21:26] and I can't wait until May! [21:26] I am hungry now :p [21:30] Food was good at the last UDS. [21:33] ScottK: wth is up with the airports in DC? [21:33] first RN and now Dulles with plains colliding [21:34] Really. I hadn't seen that. [21:34] * ScottK usually flies out of BWI anyway. [21:34] they are talking about it on Fox News right now [21:34] I usually try to fly into Dulles and if not Dulles, then BWI [21:34] I hate RN, I hate flying in over the Potomac [21:36] It's even more fun when you think about all the SAMs set up in DC post 9/11. [21:37] jpatrick: ping, are you currently working on the website? if not, mind commiting your changes please? [21:39] ryanakca: I've contacted someone I know experienced with this, still waiting for his reply [21:39] * ryanakca reminds jpatrick that the link and host is to be kept as hushed up as possible :) [21:40] ryanakca: yeah, don't worry about that :) [21:41] ryanakca: but he's been the one designing the kubuntu-es.org theme for the last three years more or less, so I think he's experienced ;) [21:43] okies [21:43] ScottK: you can see some of the missile systems if you are on the right side of the plane when flying in from the west, the ones that sit on the base across the river [21:44] jpatrick: I guess I can commit for you then? [21:44] ryanakca: one sec, trying to connect with ssh and pbuild at the same time [21:44] ah :) [22:09] mhh, KDE4 installation via alternate cd fails after choosing KDE4 desktop to install [22:09] where should I file a bug report? [22:09] or is it still to early to do that [22:13] already known [22:14] ok [22:14] thx [22:17] neversfelde: what CD version? [22:18] Riddell: downloaded ist a few hours ago, seems to be outdated [22:18] I think it was the first one from today === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === krwk is now known as krawek === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [23:41] Riddell: it is OK to remove the sticker on your laptop that IBM placed on there letting you know what the specs are..I know stickers on laptops are cool, but that sticker isn't :p [23:46] umm, I don't mind [23:48] hehe [23:49] heh [23:58]