[00:00] You know, it'd be awesome if libdrm released 2.3.1 in time for hardy. Nouveau >> nv. [00:03] mok0: I was looking at torque's license yesterday, it feels like a 4-clause BSD license to me (without the parts that has expired). And I'm not sure if 4-clause is good enough for main/universe. [00:04] minghua: Hmmm [00:04] minghua: Can we ask to get it into multiverse? [00:05] is anyone here using xen on hardy who would like to test out some grub changes for me? [00:05] mok0: I have no idea, it may require ubuntu.com pages to add an advertisement clause. [00:06] mok0: I've never dealt with 4-clause BSD before. [00:06] * mok0 looks up torque's license [00:07] Is 4 clause the same as 3-clause plus advertising clause? [00:09] 3 and 4 are pretty much the same [00:10] 3 is source distribution and 4 is binary [00:10] Yes, I think the difference is exactly the advertising clause. [00:10] 5 is not a problem [00:10] 6 is the advertising clause [00:10] 7 is the disclaimer [00:11] but there are no real restrictions [00:12] I suggest that we try to finish the package and get it to an archive admin [00:13] mok0: You don't see "All advertising materials mentioning features or use of the Software must display the following acknowledgment" as a restriction? [00:13] minghua: it's a duty, not a restriction. [00:13] mok0: That part I agree. Nobody except the archive admin's words count anyway. [00:13] minghua: yes [00:14] Well... So GPL's source requirement is a "duty" instead of "restriction" too? [00:14] It would not even interfere with Canonical's advertising of Ubuntu. Only if the product is mentioned as a selling point [00:15] If used for research, it would not be "advertising" [00:16] minghua: GPL source requirement, yes I interpret that as a "duty" [00:17] you fulfill the duty, and there is no restriction [00:17] But IANAL [00:17] mok0: I'm not arguing that we can use it in our research groups, I'm arguing if Ubuntu can officially ship it in its archive. [00:18] minghua: yeah, and I don't feel qualified to answer that question [00:18] advertising clause is long-accepted; it's goofy, but the practical impact is approximately zero [00:18] OpenSSL has the BSD advertising clause, for instance [00:18] slangasek: take a look: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/torque-0801141530/torque-2.1.8/PBS_License.txt [00:19] slangasek: So debian/copyright suffice for the advertise requirement? [00:19] minghua: er, the BSD advertising clause almost *never* goes into effect [00:19] because the trivial way around it is to simply not advertise the features of this software ;) [00:19] * minghua go read 4-clause BSD. [00:20] mok0: that license fails to be a free license because it only permits non-commercial, non-profit redistribution [00:20] Say, Canonical creates an advertising flyer, where it says "Featuring the batch system Torque", they'd have to put a footnote with the clause in [00:20] slangasek: points 1 and 2 have expired [00:20] mok0: oh, right, sorry :) [00:21] fortunately [00:21] yeah, so 6) is "BSD advertising with the serial number filed off"; the requirement is the same, only the name of the institution is different [00:22] the references to 6) /from/ 3) and 4) are odd, but I think are satisfied by shipping the license in debian/copyright, yes [00:22] slangasek: so, what's the verdict, in your opinion? [00:22] still reading the whole license [00:22] slangasek: that whole license is weird [00:23] mok0: it's a BSD license that's been modified by an amateur [00:23] and by "amateur", I probably mean "lawyer" [00:23] slangasek: :-D [00:24] slangasek: It's paid for with government money, anyway [00:24] US government, that is [00:28] ScottK: pingaroo [00:32] LaserJock: Pongero [00:32] regarding clamassasin [00:32] yeah? [00:32] this is Feisty only? [00:32] Yes [00:33] Gutsy + is fixed and Dapper/Edgy have an old enough clamav it's not a problem [00:33] right [00:33] I wonder how easy it'll be to get testers [00:33] I'm going to backport the new clamassassin in backports, but I don't think it's right to paper over SRU worthy bugs with a backport. [00:33] seems like most people who'd have hit the bug would've changed that option or moved to something else [00:33] I'd really love it, actually, if you'd tell me no. [00:33] I agree [00:34] But I want to DTRT [00:35] it would seem to me that this would really only be relevant for new Feisty installs [00:36] Of which it'd be stunning if there were any at this point. [00:37] LaserJock: Here's my clamav plan for world domination: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clamav/+archive [00:37] Fun day's work. [00:37] leonel: The revised clamav PPA upload for dapper is built, please test again. [00:37] these are the times that I wish we could issue package errata just to document silly things for people without having to go through the mess of a new package ;-) [00:38] Please tell me SRU denied, work around is to manually edit the config. [00:39] 46 uploads in one day is not so bad. [00:40] * ScottK is waiting for the PPA denial of service police to show up. [00:40] yep, looking at the criteria on the wiki page it really doesn't rise to a "high-impact" bug [00:40] Excellent. [00:40] Please mark the bug and I'll move on. [00:41] * ScottK rejoices in the power of not being the one who has to decide. [00:43] ScottK: Did you eventually use gcc-3.4 to compile on dapper? [00:44] minghua: I did [00:44] Good to know. [00:46] ScottK: ok, I think that should be clear enough [00:47] Thanks. [00:47] * LaserJock wonders how likely he is to get roasted by users for doing is first SRU rejection === emgent is now known as emg [00:47] At least there's no confusion now. [00:50] Most users don't know such a thing as "SRU request" exists anyway. [00:50] BTW what is a pingaroo? [00:50] well, it's a kangaroo/ping hybrid [00:51] it's a ping that kinda hops around [00:52] Oh. I thought it is a ping that use kangaroos, instead of pigeons, as the packet carrier. [00:53] kinda, more bouncy that way [00:55] man, StevenK needs to stop upload config-crown-beach, I keep reading it as config-crown-royal [00:56] Mithrandir uploaded it before I did, so nyah [00:57] Anyway, Crown Beach is a codename [00:57] leonel and sommer and anyone else interested in clamav on Dapper: Testing needed: Bug #183914 [00:57] Launchpad bug 183914 in dapper-backports "Please Backport clamav-0.92~dfsg-2 from Hardy to Dapper" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183914 [00:57] Heya gang [00:57] StevenK: I noticed a number of config-* today [00:58] jdong: I'd like confirmation that we can do the above ^^^ without special permission from the tech board or something. [00:58] LaserJock: And? [00:58] nothing much [00:58] I wonder what they are configuring, but I'm not really up on UME [01:00] * imbrandon yawns [01:00] LaserJock: They're tiny packages. I suspect it wouldn't be hard to find out. :-) [01:01] Goodnight, people [01:02] Gnight mok0 [01:04] StevenK: you've got a point ;-) === emgent is now known as \emgent === \emgent is now known as emgent [01:10] scottK clamav-base installed fine but python-clamav pulls libclamav1 [01:10] The following NEW packages will be installed: [01:10] clamav-freshclam libclamav1 python-clamav [01:11] and only clamav-freshclam comes from PPA === ember_ is now known as ember [01:46] greetings [02:03] Heya Hobbsee [02:29] Hmm, chrpath is change RPATH? [02:29] Heya Hobbsee [02:30] bddebian: Yup [02:30] I got kara attuned last night ;) [02:30] lifeless: Huzzah [02:30] * StevenK is probably doing Dire Maul tonight [02:31] Hrm.. I wonder why chrpath /usr/lib/btanks btanks causes RPATH to be ' ' [02:31] bddebian: yes; with RPATH being the third thing one is likely to want out of objdump -p $lib. ;) [02:32] bddebian: because you left out the '-d' option? === bmk789 is now known as bmk789_sick_bed [02:32] Sorry, this is what she has in rules: chrpath --replace /usr/lib/btanks btanks [02:33] slangasek: Were you going to talk about RPATHs today? :) [02:33] grr [02:34] * joejaxx should make a mptstatus-ng package [02:34] :\ [02:34] the current one does not work on newer hardware [02:34] * bddebian should have asked for removal of ladder.app and lapispuzzle.app instead of trying to adopt them.. :( [02:34] what are those? [02:35] games? [02:35] Lame games [02:35] I tend to want to remove everything, then I get yelled at :_ [02:35] bddebian: well, I was going to throw in a passing reference, but we moved on and it wasn't that important [02:35] Err :-) [02:36] ... because you shouldn't usually be using rpath at all [02:36] anyway, I don't see why it should behave that way using --replace [02:36] try running the command by hand to see if you get the same result? [02:36] Well aye but it has libraries that shouldn't necessarily be in /usr/lib I guess [02:37] I also get "foo shouldn't be linked to bar" stuff but I can't get rid of them. It's an smake package :( [02:38] bddebian: I maintain that there's no such thing as a library that shouldn't be in /usr/lib [02:38] Seriously? [02:38] I'm down with that [02:38] I think it's pretty common to get "shouldn't be linked to libfoo" warnings these days? [02:38] having a heirarchical namespace for libraries causes subtle bugs, and I think we're better off without, no matter how trivial one might consider the lib [02:38] as for smake, don't look at me [02:38] Actually I lied, it's scons.. :-) [02:38] run [02:39] run screaming [02:39] I don't know why she does lib_dir=$(CURDIR) [02:39] run screaming and waving your hands [02:39] *aaaaaaaahhhhhhh* [02:39] * mneptok waves his claws [02:39] slangasek: If I did that would I have to create a libs package? [02:39] DANGER WILL ROBINSON! [02:41] Removing the libs from SConscript doesn't help with the shouldn't be linked errors either :( [02:42] I don't care much for libraries [02:42] I hear ya brother :-) [02:42] I wish I could deal with them better [02:42] Who's the gnustep lover around here? [02:42] but licensing is a bugger with GPL 2 vs 3 [02:42] figuring out if libs should be build, soname "stuff", etc. [02:43] *built [02:43] I FINALLY got the soname stuff figured out a while back, thanks to ajmitch [02:43] mneptok: LOl [02:43] bddebian: i took GNUstep to the prom, but only out of pity. [02:43] heh [02:44] Actually I think I argued the RPATH point with Baby once before and lost === StevenK_ is now known as StevenK [02:46] oh for goodness sakes [02:46] I can't wait until Saturday is done [02:46] I got Mitt Romney talking on my phone while Obama is on the TV [02:46] hah [02:47] can't get rid of these people :-) [02:47] I'm from Montana, we aren't used to national politicians even being in the state ;-) [02:48] Hahah, from README-linux.txt: [02:48] 1) This game must be built with scons build system, no matter you like it or not. You [02:48] have no choice. Autotools & family is stupid crap and I hope it'll die soon. [02:48] * bddebian almost chokes on his own vomit [02:48] But but, scons is worse! [02:49] better that choking on someone else's. *shrug* [02:49] *than [02:49] Ew [02:49] StevenK: Amen brother [02:49] mneptok: true ... but disturbing [02:49] * RAOF balks at the concept of "worse than autotools" [02:50] LaserJock: "True, But Disturbing" is the working title of my memoirs. [02:51] ScottK: which C compiler? [02:52] bddebian: libs package> not necessarily [02:52] jdong: That turned out not to be needed. I was thinking GCC 4.2 [02:52] jdong: What I'm more interested is breaking the no libraries rule with a clamav (including libclamav) backport [02:53] RAOF: clearly you haven't worked enough with scons then :P [02:53] * RAOF hasn't worked with scons *at all*, and take steps to ensure the continuance of this state of affairs. [02:55] I've worked with autotools and cmake a bit, but not scons [02:56] ScottK: clamav I'd say is fine, as long as rev deps are investigated [02:56] ScottK: most other distros that come with clamav will track upstream's releases [02:58] ah dang [02:58] I was gonna file some backport bugs [02:58] but one of them is a lib [02:58] and I was hoping to get rid of my PPA packages :/ [02:58] jdong: OK. Well I've had the PPA buildd gasping for air for the last 24 hours building all the rdepends. [02:59] LaserJock: Depends on the lib. [02:59] ScottK: fun :) [03:00] well, the lib is only used by the package I'm wanting to backport [03:00] LaserJock: libs that have no/few rev-deps, I'm pretty cool with [03:00] ah [03:00] LaserJock: i.e. pairs like libtorrent+rtorrent [03:00] then it probably would work [03:00] this is gchemutils and gchempaint [03:00] which are now even in the same source in CVS [03:06] * bddebian wonders if Baby would kill me if I took out the rpath crap from btanks === bigon is now known as bigon` === parthan is now known as techno_freak [03:39] Does scons support anything like DESTDIR? [03:39] * RAOF recinds his previous balkage. [03:41] Any MOTUs willing to review package photoml (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=photoml)? It's already been advocated once, so it should be very close to being acceptable. [03:46] heya [04:15] bddebian: Thanks for the review. (Your comment about README.Debian is noted - I'll make a note to standardise it for the next version.) [04:15] NP === santiago-php is now known as foursixnine === boomer` is now known as boomer [05:11] * bddebian 's eyes bleed [05:11] Reading SConscript files? [05:12] How'd you guess? :) [05:13] welcome to the army [05:15] I can't freakin' take it [05:16] lol [05:19] Marine Corps boot camp was less painful [05:20] Should libraries carry the same RPATH? It appears to me that the SConscript file is hardcoding RPATH to '.' when building the libraries. [05:21] bddebian: yes, but where you a Sconscript then ? [05:24] Oohh, it barfs because /usr/lib/btanks doesn't exist in the build environment === zachy is now known as zakame [05:27] building library packages is fun [05:32] This isn't a library package, it just has it's own libraries :-) [05:43] Gaaaaah, how the f**k does this thing wind up with an RPATH=' '........... [06:05] Gnight folks [06:09] Hi all! === czessi_ is now known as Czessi [07:28] good morning [07:33] Hey dholbach. [07:33] hey TheMuso :) [08:16] good morning [08:17] heya geser [08:18] Hi dholbach [08:24] Hello !I have a problem with REVU, the livemix page is broken (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=livemix) ! What can I do to fix it ? [08:33] * TheMuso looks [08:33] I Nothing I can do to fix that [08:34] You will have to wait till a revu admin is around [08:34] And I am not sure one is at this moment [08:39] isn't livemix already in the archive? [08:39] !info livemix hardy [08:39] Package livemix does not exist in hardy [08:40] livemix is still in binary NEW [08:44] Sarge31: is the livemix package on REVU a different one than on the archive? [08:46] it is possible that there is a defferance because Michael Bienia has made a version : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/livemix/0.49~rc2-0ubuntu2 [08:47] Sarge31: that's me :). livemix was missing a build-dependency [08:48] the first version of live mix should be in the repository soon ! [08:49] @gesser yes it true ;-) I miss it ! [09:02] I think that I anderstand better the problem ! [09:03] my last upload 1304 will be parcially deleted due the gesser upload, then is it possible to completly delete it ? [09:04] Sarge31: REVU and the Ubuntu archive are independent [09:05] then way revu says « directory (/var/revu/revu1-incoming/livemix-0801171702/) of upload (1304) not found » [09:07] I don't know, you'll need to wait for a REVU admin [09:07] Finaly I don't know way but there is an incorrect (parsial ?) release, abd the link http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1192 will work ! [09:09] Yes, will a revu admin connect here or shouls I send an email on ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com ? === apache|mobile_ is now known as apache|mobile === ogra1 is now known as ogra === apache|mobile is now known as apachelogger [10:29] yet™ another® package is awaiting review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=sabnzbdplus - thanks! [10:54] reminder: MOTU meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 minutes [10:56] 5 minutes? not 65 minutes? [10:57] Err. Right. Sorry. [10:57] * persia hides [10:57] Yeah that didn't seem right to me either. [10:58] * persia archives the broken livemix entry on REVU [11:21] ooo. UI for PPA removal will be in staging later today. [11:32] So we've just gotten a new lintian, and it, for reasons I don't understand, allows RPATH referencing /usr/lib/games/. Does anyone have a good reason why libraries shouldn't be in /usr/lib? [11:33] Err. Nevermind. I misread /usr/lib/games/... as /usr/games/.... Sorry. [11:35] heh [11:47] oy [11:50] OK. Having double checked the timezones this time: MOTU Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 minutes. === asac_ is now known as asac [12:01] ember: I'd like to have the gnumeric merge done, could you tell me if you have something ready, otherwise I'll probably merge the package today or tomorrow [12:34] hello guys [12:34] yesterday i got a Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 410 @ 1.46GHz [12:34] so today i was getting cpu stepping to work [12:34] Hey TuxCrafter [12:35] but all the start up scripts were not compatible [12:35] i had to add a few lines [12:35] now it works [12:35] chages to /etc/init.d/loadcpufreq [12:35] and [12:35] changes to /etc/default/cpufrequtils [12:36] i can create a patch for the scripts? but will it be accepted [12:36] TuxCrafter: Best way to get it in is to submit the patches to a bug, and get a few other people to test. Even better if you can get some testers with other CPUs to give "doesn't break anything" feedback. [12:36] How can i check the script that are used upstream === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [12:37] If it fixes a problem for some people, and doesn't break anything for others, and is visible, it will likely be accepted. [12:37] TuxCrafter: `dpkg -S $filename` will help you to identify which package owns a file, and `apt-get source $packagename` will download the source for the package. [12:38] persia: got that [12:38] creating the patch now [12:38] not that they shouldn't be fixed if they are wrong, but aren't those scripts largely redundant these days? I have neither and yet my CPU (also a Pentium M) gets scaled by the cpufreq kernel modules [12:39] persia: what diff options does ubuntu motu prefere? [12:40] debdiff, or unified diff [12:40] persia: diff -uNr ? [12:40] TuxCrafter: debdiff is best, but for that you want to also update the changelog, etc. If you aren't up for that diff -urN works, and ask someone to help you make a debdiff from the patch. [12:40] * rZZZr uses -BurN :) [12:41] rZZZr: i will add the B [12:41] rZZZr: That doesn't work if you are fixing a syntax error in debian/rules due to eight spaces not being a tab character :) [12:42] persia: true, mr knowledge :) [12:46] excellent! [12:47] * Hobbsee puts her pitchfork back [12:48] * persia douses Hobbsee's torches [12:48] what pitchfork? [12:49] pitch.fork() [12:49] zul: my pitchfork. to use on the MC, in the event of no decision. [12:52] MOTU Q&A session in 8 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [12:55] * Hobbsee wonders if Kmos has seen the news yet [12:56] persia: I got my patches readdy [12:57] should i create a bug report [12:57] and add the patches === bigon` is now known as bigon [13:02] Hobbsee: yes =) [13:04] heh, happy about it? [13:04] Hobbsee: I'm.. i think you too [13:06] Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpufrequtils/+bug/184015 [13:06] Launchpad bug 184015 in cpufrequtils "add celeron m (p4-clockmod) userspace frequency support to loadcpufreq and cpufrequtils init scripts, patch included" [Undecided,New] [13:07] man-di: FYI ... lucene2 compiles with GCJ. I am not sure of unit tests because I had those disabled to avoid the FTBFS faced in Ubuntu pbuilder. [13:07] is this sufficient information [13:23] TuxCrafter: you probably want to send those to debian, as ubuntu takes that directyl from debian, with no changes === lmr__ is now known as lmr[lunch] === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [13:39] Hobbsee: thanks for the advice i just sent a mail to the authors and the debian maintainers [13:40] TuxCrafte1: cool :) [13:42] Yay! mpeg4ip has finally been accepted! [13:51] although mpeg4ip should be in multiverse, not universe [13:52] due to build dependencies in multiverse [13:59] emgent: hi! [13:59] emgent: just wanted to let you know I am going through your updates now [14:01] bye guys === LongPoin1yStick is now known as LongPointyStick === Zenton is now known as Zenton_ [14:26] If a package depends (or build-depends) on a package in multiverse, does it always need to stay in multiverse as well? [14:27] yes [14:27] hello there [14:27] Hobbsee: ok. Thanks :) [14:35] Heya gang [14:41] hi, I'm currently doing a merge. If I don't have any patches to apply I also don't need a build depend on dpatch right? [14:42] hellboy195> Indeed [14:42] LucidFox: thx [14:42] Did the Debian original have any patches? [14:43] hellboy195: If dpatch is called in debian/rules then you need to depend on dpatch even if there are no patches. [14:44] Ah, yes. Forgot about that. [14:44] ^^ np. Ubuntu had one patch but now it's included into the programm so no more need I suppose [14:47] Yes, since it's included upstream, there's no need. If the Debian version didn't build-depend on dpatch, there's no need to change that. [14:47] Heya bddebian [14:47] hellboy195: If Ubuntu added dpatch, then it can be dropped, If it came from Debian that way, then leave it. [14:47] k, th [14:48] x [14:50] Hi geser === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [15:22] am I the only one to feel that quilt is cumbersome to use? [15:23] no [15:23] I feel better :) [15:27] jdong: Nope [15:29] simple-patchsys ftw [15:30] both simple-patchsys and even dpatch meet my definition of easy to use [15:30] I'm not a picky guy [15:41] hello [15:41] jdong: could you please validate bug 183262, bug 183088 and bug 177716 ? [15:41] Launchpad bug 183262 in gutsy-backports "Please backport neon27 0.27.2-1 from Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183262 [15:41] Launchpad bug 183088 in gutsy-backports "Please backport libmowgli 0.6.0-1 from Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183088 [15:41] Launchpad bug 177716 in gutsy-backports "Please backport audacious 1.4.5 and audacious-plugins 1.4.4" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177716 [15:43] i've been testing it for a few days, wroks nicely [15:43] *works [15:45] jeromeg: ok, looks good [15:45] jdong: thank you very much! Sorry to always ping you for this on irc :) [15:47] no problem :) [15:48] I'd appreciate it if someone could test the feisty/gutsy-proposed packages in Bug #183661 [15:48] Launchpad bug 183661 in libmail-box-perl "FTBFS in Gutsy/Feisty" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183661 [15:48] I also tested those: bug 180793, bug 162590, bug 175079, bug 175072, bug 174865, bug 175080 [15:48] Launchpad bug 180793 in gutsy-backports "Please backport homebank 3.6-3 (universe)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180793 [15:48] Launchpad bug 162590 in gutsy-backports "Backport Blender 2.45" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162590 [15:48] Launchpad bug 175079 in gutsy-backports "Please backport screenlets 0.0.10-2 from Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175079 [15:48] Launchpad bug 175072 in gutsy-backports "Please backport sonata 1.3-2 from Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175072 [15:48] Launchpad bug 174865 in gutsy-backports "Please backport reportbug-ng from Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174865 [15:49] jdong: ^ :) [15:49] ok, this is getting floody :D [15:49] jdong: after this I'm done :) [15:49] I'm not sure about the blender one [15:49] jdong: and bug 175676 pretty please :) [15:49] Launchpad bug 175676 in gutsy-backports "backport tracker 0.6.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175676 [15:49] jeromeg: what's up with the SRU? [15:50] jdong: for gthumb ? [15:50] oh nvm [15:50] ScottK: caused that. [15:51] I guess I better say it again: [15:51] I'd appreciate it if someone could test the feisty/gutsy-proposed packages in Bug #183661 [15:51] Hi. [15:51] Launchpad bug 183661 in libmail-box-perl "FTBFS in Gutsy/Feisty" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183661 [15:51] blueyed: ^^^ can you test? [15:51] Hello blueyed [15:51] ScottK: sure, will look into it. [15:52] blueyed: Thanks [15:52] ok, I'm starving, breakfast first then backports [15:52] jdong: thanks [15:52] I've contacted the uploader of tvbrowser on revu and he said I could adopt his package. Can I just upload an updated package then? [15:52] jdong: I think you need to work on your priorities [15:52] blueyed: Yes [15:53] asac: can you provide a menu file for firefox for hardy? :) [15:53] jdong: I'm not sure about the blender one, I tested it only a little as I'm not a blender pro and the interface is not really intuitive, but what I tested (a few simple constructions) works [15:54] dholbach: I can't see Hobbsee in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council [15:55] joejaxx: ffox 3? [15:55] * Hobbsee isn't there yet [15:55] * Hobbsee adds, but has done no wiki page [15:56] asac: which ever one is shipping by default :) iirc there was not a debian menu file in firefox for gutsy [15:56] nixternal: and you probably want to update your wiki page mentioning what the MOTU Council election asks for :) [15:56] did that [15:56] look at the link up top [15:58] asac: or both since firefox 2 is still in the archive [15:58] for hardy [15:58] nixternal: oh, I missed it. Thank you. [15:59] otherwise us non-{Gnome,KDE} do not have a menu launch entry [15:59] * joejaxx still needs to find out how ubuntu broke dpkg :P [15:59] What is "cherry-picking"? Retrieving a single diff from a VCS revision and adding it as a patch? [16:00] LucidFox: yes [16:00] non-{Gnome,KDE} users * [16:01] joejaxx: add Xfce to that list. They use the fdo .desktop files specification AFAIK. [16:01] pochu: yeah [16:02] i think i am going to generate a list of packages that do not have debian menu files as I see more and more packages shipping with out them [16:04] :P [16:04] got to go [16:04] bye [16:04] * joejaxx also hopes the Open Group frees the source to CDE soon :\ [16:04] joejaxx: also go and ask those WM to follow the fdo spec ;) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [16:05] pochu: :P [16:06] joejaxx: *shudder* I've used that [16:06] broonie: hey no shuddering :P [16:06] :( [16:06] :P [16:07] <\sh> moins [16:07] there are a lot of us CDE users out there [16:07] i actually would have paid for the linux version but they do not offer that for purchase anymore [16:07] they need to free the source :P [16:07] so we can pull in the Sun changes to it as well [16:09] <\sh> ScottK, I uploaded the claws extra plugins this morning...do you have already a testpackage claws-mail for gutsy handy? [16:09]