[00:24] hi all [00:24] E: aacplusenc_0.13_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file gutsy [00:24] what I have to specify instead of gutsy? [00:25] For a new package? Hardy. [00:27] mjg59: i'm using PPA [00:27] the personal package thing [00:27] dunno if I can upload packages for hardy yet [00:27] *already [00:29] another thing [00:29] i upgraded from gutsy to hardy [00:29] but now i have lost my gpg keys [00:46] why debsign can't find them after upgrade? [00:46] $ echo $DEBEMAIL [00:46] rootkit85@yahoo.it [00:47] $ gpg --list-key |fgrep rootkit [00:47] uid Matteo Croce (Rave is not a crime!) [00:47] Because you have a comment in the key [00:47] really= [00:47] Matteo Croce != Matteo Croce (Rave is not a crime!) [00:48] but gpg asked for one [00:48] --list-key does not tell you whether the secret key is available, anyway; but StevenK's probably right with his guess that the uid doesn't match what's in your changelog [00:48] mm, ok [00:49] and I guess I can't edit it [00:50] matteo: I think you can. [00:50] can I do it in kgpg? [00:50] i dunno much about gpg [00:50] matteo: It prompts for a comment, enter will set no comment [00:51] StevenK: i mean, editing the existing one [00:52] you should add a new one and expire the old one [00:52] by "a new one" I mean a new uid, not a new PGP key [00:53] ah, ok [00:53] tnx [00:55] hello do you think there will be fixes for the marvell atheros cards in the future? [00:57] i can't get my atheros marvell card to work. ndiswrapper tells me that the driver is invalid [01:00] * bddebian tries to beg slangasek or StevenK to join the games team :-) [01:01] um? [01:01] bddebian: You can't afford my rates. [01:01] slangasek: aren't you a debian maintainer? [01:01] teh gcc one? [01:02] I'm not a gcc maintainer [01:02] slangasek: I think they are short on obscure consonants, and want to collect the set [01:02] mjj29: seems fair [01:02] Bah, I give up :-( [01:03] bddebian: In all seriousness, I have enough to do without another thing to ignore. [01:03] I know, I'm just whinging [01:04] ok i'll create a new key [01:04] DSA and Elgamal is fine? [01:06] matteo: by "a new one" I mean a new uid, not a new PGP key [01:06] yes but I made a mess [01:10] has ubuntu a keyserver? [01:11] keyserver.ubuntu.com [01:11] found === bigon is now known as bigon` === _MMA1 is now known as MetalMusicAddict === TheMuso_ is now known as TheMuso === jamesh_ is now known as jamesh === fabbione is now known as thegodfather [07:39] Good morning [07:40] morning pitti! [07:40] pitti: FWIW, apt installs new recommends by default, when upgrading the metapackages [07:40] didn't check update manager [07:40] (no idea if you got your answer from mvo) [07:42] hello is there any way to minize setting of pc2 and pc3? like i will not put my isp's dns? pc1 is my server and i have no router. pc2 and pc3 can connect to the internet with assigned ip,gateway,subnet and dns of my isp..how to minimize this without setting my isp's dns? i dont want to expose my dns to the public... [07:46] Hobbsee: yeah, I got it; thank you [08:00] good morning === TheMuso_ is now known as TheMuso [08:17] Just wondering if anyone ever considered using bit-torrent for the synaptic package distribution? [08:19] jigdo [08:19] Not quite the same idea, but... closest thing I know of which is used for it. [08:21] Bittorrent doesn't easily handle seeding a large, oft-changing set of files. You can do a large static set as a batch, or a small dynamic set individually... [08:22] Interesting. Thanks for the insight. I was pondering apt-get cache servers tonight. [08:22] morning seb128 [08:22] hello Hobbsee === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:05] <\sh> hmm...is it me, or is debootstrap not working for any debian release anymore? deboostrap lenny dir/ doesn't work...Retrieving Release that's it [09:17] dholbach: what do the numbers in parentheses mean on http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/index.html ? === geser_ is now known as geser [09:18] pitti: age of the subscription [09:18] in days [09:18] ah [09:19] good morning [09:21] hey geser [09:21] Hi dholbach, pitti [09:23] hiya geser === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [09:29] carlos: hey [09:29] carlos: any news of the hardy translations? [09:30] seb128: the imports are still running [09:30] although I guess we could start preparing language packs, will not include everything [09:31] but is an option now [09:31] * carlos checks the queue [09:31] how long is it going to get everything imported? [09:33] carlos: you think we could get mozilla translations going in launchpad? maybe we want to start and try firefox-3.0/xulrunner-1.9? or maybe something smaller - like ubufox? [09:33] seb128: it's hard to estimate it [09:34] hey asac [09:34] hey seb128 [09:34] asac: did you get all the epiphany-browser xulrunner 1.9 commited upstream? [09:34] asac: there is a new version, just asking before looking if patches can be dropped or need to be updated [09:34] seb128: although we have 19900 entries pending to be imported and we imported already 40400 since last Wednesday [09:35] carlos: so everything should be imported this week [09:35] seb128: I would say two or three more days [09:35] yeah [09:35] seb128: all code-changes iirc ... the build system notyet, because we landed improvements to pkg-config that make things less patchy. [09:35] asac: ok [09:35] seb128: i will update the patch for us ... maybe update xulrunner before to get the latest build infrastructure [09:36] asac: ok, I'll wait for now then, there is no hurry, thanks [09:36] asac: I want to resume firefox work next week or so when I'm back to translations work, I'm not working in translations this month... [09:36] asac: so I would say that we could do it soon, yes [09:38] carlos: ok, just want to be sure that we can get issues shaken out in time for the hardy release. [09:38] that's the idea, yes... [09:39] carlos: ok i will bug you regularly from now on then :) [09:40] asac: don't worry to ping me often :-) [09:41] carlos: we face a new peculiarity: not all translations are in firefox anymore; most texts are now in xulrunner-1.9. unfortunately upstream probably won't split the translations for us so we have to figure something out. [09:44] so it's a different package? [09:44] yes [09:48] carlos: but the keys of the xulrunner entities should match the ones distributed by the default firefox locales. so using those to populate launchpad with default translations should still work, right? [09:48] asac: where are the English strings? [09:48] in the packages [09:48] in xulrunner ? [09:49] parts are in firefox-3.0 ... the rest is in xulrunner-1.9 [09:49] the .xpis distributed by upstream will contain translations for both [09:50] so to get an standard English only installation [09:50] I still need firefox + xulrunner ? [09:50] that would be a bit more complicate to handle... but still possible [09:51] because as you pointed, we have the shared ids to link messages with translations [09:51] why would that be a problem? [09:51] i mean: you import xulrunner en-US + firefox en-US ... then you have all the ids [09:52] not a problem, just a bit more difficult [09:52] because templates come from a single package in our current system [09:52] and in this case we have two packages [09:53] that we should convine to get the list of strings to translate [09:53] but ... why not just treat it as if it was two independent packages [09:53] hmm [09:53] does it mean that we will end having two different translation packages? [09:53] yes [09:53] aah [09:53] then it's quite simple ;-) [09:53] I misunderstood you [09:53] the funny thing is that the default translations come from one .xpi [09:54] e.g. one huge nl-NL.xpi [09:54] but we export to xulrunner-locale-nl and firefox-locale-nl for instance [10:00] asac: hmm, ok, if the template (en-US) is in different packages [10:00] asac: it should be easy to handle that [10:01] if you mean ubuntu package by "package" then thats the case yes. [10:01] fine [10:03] asac: I mean source package [10:03] for translations we work with source packages [10:09] carlos: ok ... we have two sources as well. [10:09] ok === Zdra_ is now known as Zdra === DrPepperKid is now known as MacSlow === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [10:27] longshot: anyone seen an issue where after you kill one process that's listening on one port, then somehow the next highest PID starts listening on that port?? === doko_ is now known as doko [10:39] this libflickrnet fuckup is getting annoying. [10:39] Mithrandir: it should be fixed, i thought. [10:39] Hobbsee: iz not for me. [10:39] do you have the new mono stuff? [10:39] poke bigon` over it - he's dealing with ti [10:40] \sh: try with a different mirror [10:40] bigon`: yo. ; ^^ [10:40] Hobbsee: uh, unsure? I just see the flickrnet thingy blowing up and taking all the shiny mono stuff with it. [10:41] hm [10:42] ah, it worked when I told it to install libflickrnet first and then the rest [10:42] yay, gnome-do is installable again! [10:47] <\sh> cjwatson, I tried ftp.de.debian.org the same...a normal http or ftp session works like a charm [10:48] \sh: 'sudo debootstrap lenny lenny http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian' WFM [10:49] (at least it starts retrieving Packages; I'm rebuilding my mirrors at the moment so I can't do a full run) [10:49] <\sh> cjwatson, yes...it starts retrieving packages...but regarding /usr/share//debootstrap/scripts/sid it should do it, too...but it doesn't do as been told ;) [10:51] <\sh> cjwatson, and as a test I changed the default_mirror in scripts/sid to point to ftp.de.debian.org and this even doesn't work...so I wonder whats wrong [10:52] your error messages are not terribly clear ... [10:52] might be worth looking in $target/debootstrap/debootstrap.log to see if there's anything interesting there [10:53] <\sh> cjwatson, it's empty ...and debootstrap itself stays at : I: Retrieving Release [10:53] <\sh> cjwatson, invoking deboostrap as "sudo deboostrap lenny $HOME/chroots/lenny/" with another mirror url at the end, it works [10:53] I just saw that against archive.u.c with wget stalling on a connect to one of the machines in the DC. [10:54] <\sh> but "sudo debootstrap gutsy $HOME/chroots/gutsy/" works like a charm... [10:57] \sh: erm, I think I misunderstood your statements above. Could you please restate these bits in different words? [10:58] 10:49 <\sh> cjwatson, yes...it starts retrieving packages...but regarding /usr/share//debootstrap/scripts/sid it should do it, too...but it doesn't do as been told ;) [10:58] 10:51 <\sh> cjwatson, and as a test I changed the default_mirror in scripts/sid to point to ftp.de.debian.org and this even doesn't work...so I wonder whats wrong [10:58] <\sh> cjwatson, debootstrap sid sid/ http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian works [10:58] \sh: ok [10:58] <\sh> cjwatson, deboostrap sid sid/ doesn't work [10:58] \sh: if you read /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/sid more closely you'll see that the default mirror set there is only for architectures other than amd64 and i386 [10:59] the "real" default is in /usr/sbin/debootstrap [10:59] so either this is temporary breakage on ftp.debian.org, or we need to switch to a different mirror [10:59] given the recent "stop using ftp.debian.org please, use a mirror" announcement on debian-devel-announce I suspect the latter [10:59] cjwatson: when will the new seed structures be done? [10:59] Hobbsee: no ETA yet, sorry [10:59] before feature freeze though [11:00] cjwatson: right. they're blocking kde4 hardy cds :( [11:00] cjwatson: any useful way of someone else helping out? [11:00] Hobbsee: not at the moment, sorry, I'll try to make progress this week [11:00] cjwatson: OK, cool. [11:03] \sh: I've changed the default to ftp.us.debian.org in d-i svn [11:04] <\sh> cjwatson, grmpf...or much better we set the default mirrors in deboostrap/scripts/ without setting a default in /usr/sbin/deboostrap? [11:05] I don't see why it makes a difference. [11:06] the method exposed to users for setting the mirror is on the command line. only debootstrap developers should care where it lives in the code. === mvo_ is now known as mvo [11:21] <\sh> mvo, ping cdrkit debdiff, just remove the versioning from the conflicts/replaces...so it matches all cdrtools versions [11:22] \sh: thanks, I look at it after lunch :) [11:24] * soren lunches [11:28] * pitti uploads a better python-distutils-extra to Debian and Ubuntu; enjoy [11:33] \sh: I've uploaded debootstrap 1.0.8, which fixes the default mirror [11:33] <\sh> cjwatson, thx :) [11:33] <\sh> mvo, I'll prepare a new debdiff for cdrkit ;) [11:35] why doesn't any package install a dummy /etc/hosts with localhost in it when you use deboostrap? [11:41] <\sh> mvo, debdiff updated...see bug ;) [11:43] grmbl .... [11:44] * ogra was wondering why his daily rsync took so long ... [11:44] i hate downloading in wrong dirs === jamesh_ is now known as jamesh === asac_ is now known as asac [12:07] grrr .... i fix one breakage and another shows up .... i need a working daily, damned ... [12:07] seb128, do you care for vinagre ? [12:07] seems it needs libgtk-vnc [12:07] (which is not on the CD) [12:08] ogra: it's a GNOME depends but I think soren has interest in it since the server team use it or something [12:09] I use vinagre from time to time, yes. [12:10] It doesn't belong in main, though. It's got a bunch of annoying bugs, but it's the only standalone VNC client that uses gtk-vnc, which is the only vnc implementation with the new input extensions that I use in kvm. [12:11] If something tries to pull it into main, it should get some love first. I have 5-6 ways to make it crash. [12:11] well, either libgtk-vnc goes to main or vinagre goes to universe [12:11] ogra: Why is vinagre in main? [12:11] soren: Dependency of the new seeds, no? [12:12] ogra: I actually think libgtk-vnc should be in main (I'll need it shortly), but I have no problem with vinagre moving to universe. [12:12] persia: Well, than "why was it seeded?" is my question :) [12:13] soren, s/should/shouldn't/ ? [12:13] * ogra fails to understad the sentence [12:13] you want the lib in main but vinagre in universe ? [12:15] 13:10 < soren> If something tries to pull it into main, it should get some love first. I have 5-6 ways to make it crash. <--- report them please? :) [12:16] ah [12:16] pochu: I'll get to it.. :) [12:17] ogra: Yes. [12:17] ogra: I have other stuff, that I'd like to have moved to main that uses gtk-vnc. [12:17] ah [12:17] ogra: vinagre, otoh, is not mature enough, IMO. [12:17] well, in any case the lin needs to be promoted then [12:17] soren: hint: use apport ;) [12:17] *lib [12:18] (which vinagre is already, someone approved the MIR) [12:18] O_O [12:19] (my prob is that it breaks the daily CDs in that state atm) [12:19] * soren is looking forward to having his DSL line upgraded to 2 MBit upstream [12:20] soren, that helps :) [12:20] i have it since dec. [12:20] Oh, vinagre 0.4 is out. That might fix a lot of the problems. [12:20] * soren takes it for a spin [12:21] dholbach, ping ... [12:22] ogra: pong [12:22] dholbach, is there any truth in the comment QFunk made on bug 182941 ? seems OpenSuSE just changes the dep with no further patches [12:22] Launchpad bug 182941 in planner "Planner needs transition from libgda2-dev to libgda3-dev" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182941 [12:23] ogra: try to build it with libgda3-dev [12:23] thats what i'm doing atm :) === ScottK-confused is now known as ScottK [12:29] soren: There's a vinagre upgrade bug floating about with it already packaged, if you haven't seen it yet. [12:31] persia: Hmm.. why hasn't it been uploaded? [12:31] It's in Debian NEW too. [12:31] I think it was targeted for a sync [12:31] Once it's newed, right. [12:32] Can I fetch it from Debian somehow? I forget. :( [12:32] soren: the source or the binaries? [12:32] soren: I have binaries for hardy, if you want them [12:32] source. I found it. [12:33] ...or I thought I did. [12:33] pochu: Where can I find the sources? [12:33] sec [12:35] soren: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/vinagre_0.4-1.dsc [12:35] pochu: Got it. Thanks. [12:36] No need to thank me, just report bugs! ;) [12:36] pochu: Well, let's see if it's necessary :) [12:37] There's only one crash report in LP, and it was with 0.3... [12:38] seb128: After updating my evolution to the one you uploaded yesterday I can't connect using SSL to my IMAP server ... known issue ? (that's on amd64) [12:39] stgraber: no === TheMuso_ is now known as TheMuso [12:40] seb128: hmm, ok I'll create a clean user and check that it happens too [12:40] stgraber: looks like a good idea [12:45] pochu: Ah.. apport refuses to let me report the bug as the package is not a genuine Ubuntu package. [12:45] ARGH !!! [12:45] Mithrandir, how exactly did you make libflickr install ? [12:46] * ogra thought the mono upload he sponsored was supposed to fix that [12:46] *sigh* [12:46] ogra: just do apt-get install libflickr-whatever first [12:46] sounds like a missing dep then [12:46] * ogra tries [12:47] nope [12:47] soren: heh. I'll ping you once it's synced then :) [12:47] soren: or report it upstream ;) [12:47] pochu: I've just reported it on Launchpad. bug 183169 [12:47] Launchpad bug 183169 in vinagre "Crash if hostname contains invalid characters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183169 [12:47] didn't work for me, I tried to remove libflickr first, so mono could complete the installation and tried to reinstall libflickr but still the same error [12:48] seb128: segfault with a clean user :) [12:48] pochu: The others I could remember didn't crash anymore. [12:49] any status on bug #1 yet? [12:49] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 === MetalMusicAddict is now known as _MMA_ [12:49] snadge: Microsoft® has already began its downfall on the OS side. :-) [12:52] snadge: I think when it's closed *everyone* will know. :) [12:53] seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3575/ [12:53] seb128: ^ error message and backtrace [12:53] Mithrandir, i really wonder how you managed that, the file it wants to inwstall is actually nonexistent [12:53] stgraber: looks like it's not known upstream [12:53] stgraber: could you send a bug using apport? [12:54] ogra: try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libflickrnet2.1.5-cil_25277-6_all.deb ? [12:54] ah, i tried apt ... one sec [12:55] soren: great, thanks! [12:55] Mithrandir: doesn't help [12:55] Setting up libflickrnet2.1.5-cil (25277-6) ... [12:55] * Installing 1 assembly from libflickrnet2.1.5-cil into Mono [12:55] ! Assembly /usr/share/cli-common/policies.d/libflickrnet2.1.5-cil/policy.2.1.FlickrNet.dll does not exist [12:55] nope [12:56] i really hope that hardy heron is going to be less buggy than all the prior releases put together ;) maybe i'm just unlucky, but i've had everything from no video, to no networking and unable to detect filesystems [12:57] > dpkg -L libflickrnet2.1.5-cil| grep dll$ [12:57] /usr/share/cli-common/policies.d/libflickrnet2.1.5-cil/policy.2.1.FlickrNet.dll [12:57] snadge: I'd encourage you to join the team on #ubuntu-bugs and try to make sure as many as possible are well described, and a solution is possible. It's the best way to make sure hardy works for you. [12:58] Mithrandir: I have the dll only in /usr/lib/cli [12:58] ogra@ceron:~/devel/packages$ dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/libflickrnet2.1.5-cil_25277-6_all.deb |grep dll [12:58] -rw-r--r-- root/root 136704 2008-01-13 07:53 ./usr/lib/cli/flickrnet-2.1.5/FlickrNet.dll [12:58] hmm [12:59] hm, I did a rebuild of it, maybe it was that? [12:59] Mithrandir: which md5sum does your deb have? I have here: 9f275e327795820e4942cc52e1a2f1eb [12:59] Mithrandir, aha :) [13:00] geser: since mine's a rebuild, it'll have a different md5sum [13:00] :) [13:00] * ogra tries if a pbuilder rebuild changes anything [13:05] ogra@ceron:~/devel/packages/libflickrnet-25277$ dpkg -c /var/cache/pbuilder/result/libflickrnet2.1.5-cil_25277-6_all.deb|grep dll [13:05] -rw-r--r-- root/root 136704 2008-01-15 14:04 ./usr/lib/cli/flickrnet-2.1.5/FlickrNet.dll [13:05] hmm [13:05] Mithrandir, did you change anything in debian/rules ? [13:06] no [13:06] dh_install FlickrNet/FlickrNet.dll /usr/lib/cli/flickrnet-$(VERSION)/ [13:06] seems to only install it there [13:06] weird [13:16] hi there , I'm looking for help with pango but i can't find a #pango channel [13:16] I have a cross compilation problem and i don't know how to solve it. The problem is with libtool when making the library [13:16] Anybody there knows libtool well ? My error is here : http://pastebin.com/d942cf88 [13:18] soren: I've forwarded it upstream, as I can 100% reproduce it. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=509634 [13:18] Gnome bug 509634 in general "Crash if hostname contains invalid characters" [Critical,Unconfirmed] [13:21] pochu: In 0.3 I can't even store bookmarks. It was surprisingly fragile. 0.4 looks much better. [13:22] pochu: gtk-vnc is really the sanest VNC implementation I've seen, so having a stand-alone client that uses it is really, really good. [13:25] pochu: re bug 183169: If it's a gtk-vnc problem, I'll be happy to update it to a recent hg version. [13:25] Launchpad bug 183169 in vinagre "Crash if hostname contains invalid characters" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183169 [13:26] soren: I'm building vinagre trunk, which is what jwendell asked for, and try to reproduce. [13:26] pochu: Cool. [13:27] pochu: I'll need a fresh gtk-vnc before hardy releases anyway (there's a new version due out soon), so tracking hg is not a problem at all. [13:31] soren: I'll let you know if I can still reproduce with vinagre trunk :) [13:34] ogra@ceron:~/devel/packages$ for i in 4 5 6 ;do dpkg -c ./libflickrnet2.1.5-cil_25277-${i}_all.deb|grep cli-common|grep dll;done [13:34] -rw-r--r-- root/root 3584 2008-01-04 07:31 ./usr/share/cli-common/policies.d/libflickrnet2.1.5-cil/policy.2.1.FlickrNet.dll [13:34] -rw-r--r-- root/root 3584 2008-01-11 06:50 ./usr/share/cli-common/policies.d/libflickrnet2.1.5-cil/policy.2.1.FlickrNet.dll [13:35] hmm [13:35] debian has it in version 5 and 6 [13:35] i wonder why its not in our package at all [13:35] soren: do I need gtk-vnc trunk? /tmp/buildd/vinagre-0.4+svn132/src/vinagre-tab.c:258: undefined reference to `vnc_display_set_lossy_encoding' [13:35] ogra: egrep 'cli-common.*dll$' ? :-) [13:35] StevenK, hey thanks [13:36] sadly that doesnt add the missing file :) [13:36] * StevenK chuckles [13:36] Stand back, I know regular expressions! [13:39] soren: nevermind, found it. [13:41] err Mithrandir you reversed the options mksquashfs uses ? [13:41] ogra: No? [13:41] * Add -lzma switch to enable lzma support. [13:42] yes? [13:42] there is a -nolzma switch already we use in liveCD and LTSP builds atm [13:42] did you reverse that behavior [13:42] ? [13:42] (do i need to change my scripts now ) [13:43] yes, I know about that. Does my changelog entry say anything about that -nolzma is removed? [13:43] no [13:43] thats why i ask :) since it doesnt say either that its not touched :) [13:44] are you going to ask whether I removed the -version switch too? :-P [13:45] :P [13:45] (no, I didn't touch -nolzma, since that'd break scripts) [13:45] i just wanted to know if i have to adjust my scripts ... could have been you dropped nolzma if you default to no lzma anyway [13:45] I just changed the default and made it possible to go back to the previous default by adding -lzma as an option, since otherwise you couldn't say "please give me lzma". [13:45] ok [13:45] thnaks [13:45] if I had dropped -nolzma, I would have announced it somewhere and mentioned it in the changelog. [13:46] ok === \sh is now known as \sh_away [13:53] could someone give back ogre-contrib in hardy ? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [13:55] Kmos: done [13:55] Mithrandir: thanks [13:56] grmbl ... if i build flickrnet locally it works :/ [13:56] if i use pbuilder the file is missing === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [14:00] I need netcat to support connecting to UNIX sockets. I can a) patch our netcat to do so, or b) replace our netcat with the one from OpenBSD which already has it. The current netcat code is horribly hideous and unmaintained, but the OpenBSD one is not 100% command line compatible, but maintained and the code is much prettier.. I've already whipped up a patch to the OpenBSD one to make it cli compatible.. Any objections to switching? Is it worth disc [14:00] soren: use socat? [14:01] soren: also, you got cut off after "worth disc". [14:01] Mithrandir: I'm *replacing* netcat. [14:01] Ah.. [14:01] Er.. [14:01] butbutbut [14:01] * Mithrandir hugs netcat [14:01] socat? [14:01] last bit was "Is it worth discussing on a mailing list? [14:01] " [14:02] Mithrandir: It's still netcat, only a rewrite of it from OpenBSD. [14:02] Mithrandir: Fedora uses it, too, and have done so for years. [14:03] where, did the current copy of tail(1) come from, it too stopped supporting tail -0f and the like [14:03] did somebody replace that with the BSD version too? [14:03] Part of the problem with socat is that its cli is not compatible at all with netcat, and one of the reasons I'd like to change it is because certain clients might connect to an Ubuntu server and expect certain things to happen, when it calls nc with certain arguments. [14:04] and then if that person uses $(modified version of netcat) and then switches back to their Debian/Fedora box? ("OMG forking incompatible Unix all over again") [14:04] Mithrandir: Chances are, that if I had not asked, but just uploaded the new version, you'd never have known the difference. Nevertheless, I felt I should mention it first. [14:04] * ogra decides to hate mono for now and takes a coffee break [14:05] soren: reckon you can get the Debian maintainer to switch? [14:05] sladen: They've discussed this already.. Hang on. [14:05] soren: if so, focus the energy there and we get the results for free [14:05] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=145798 [14:05] Debian bug 145798 in netcat "netcat: openbsd's rewrite of netcat might help some ppl... or not" [Wishlist,Open] [14:07] sladen: tail -0f works for me [14:07] sladen: it's an obsolescent use though, as are most -NUM options in coreutils; use tail -n0 -f [14:08] cjwatson: I know, I know, but the fingers still prefer typing the shorter version [14:08] Of course, I could just name it netcat-openbsd, but there's a good chance I'll want this in main, so instead of having two 99% compatible implementations in main, I'd rather replace it. [14:08] ha. tail: warning: following standard input indefinitely is ineffective === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [14:09] :) [14:10] sladen: I've retrained my fingers at least in the case of head [14:10] okay. I'll rephrase. tail -0 /was/ broken, /somewhere/, at least enough to get me out of the habit of trying to type it === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [14:30] \sh: oh, damn. can't find my fai bazaar branch. But AFAIR everything is pushed to fai teams bazaar. Status was FAIBASE pxe install and softupdate were working in gutsy at the time of my last bzr push [14:31] <\sh> alleeHol, I wanted to work on the latest fai for hardy... [14:31] <\sh> alleeHol, so I wasn't sure if you pushed the new fai into bzr [14:33] \sh: that's great news. You'll have pxe boot/softupdate tester next week ;) [14:33] <\sh> alleeHol, ok...so I can work on this beast [14:34] \sh: last rebase of fai ubuntu branch is the release in the ppa [14:34] <\sh> alleeHol, ok... [14:39] <_MMA_> seb128_: Did you want me to file that system sounds bug against Ubuntu or something else? I confirmed I got no sound there as well. Or, should I just did up the old one? [14:40] _MMA_: gnome-control-center [14:41] <_MMA_> ok [14:42] * _MMA_ didnt know sounds were part of the but ok. :) === mvo__ is now known as mvo === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [14:53] <_MMA_> seb128: Done. bug 183199 [14:53] Launchpad bug 183199 in gnome-control-center "System sounds aren't being played in Hardy." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183199 [14:53] _MMA_: thanks [14:54] <_MMA_> np. Let me know if there's anything else you need me to do. Well, I guess thats what LP and filing the bug is for. :) [14:56] Hi, regarding to this http://www.krizka.net/2007/12/27/thinkpad-x61-tablet-and-ubuntu-hardy-heron/ hdaps driver seems to be broken in hardy and gutsy, is there any plan to add the latest driver form sourceforge ? [14:56] It concerns almost every thinkpad I guess [14:58] Moreover enabling hdaps requires a kernel rebuild, is it planned to patch the kernel to support it ? === mdz_ is now known as mdz [15:10] hello. I know this isn't the best channel for advice. But How can I find out if the 64bit hw detection system is working correctly? re bug 173130 [15:10] Launchpad bug 173130 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "edubuntu hardy 64bit live cd issues" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173130 [15:35] soren: could you point me to gtk-vnc VCS? Or do you want to build it yourself? (I have a source package of vinagre-trunk, but I think it needs gtk-vnc trunk due to a new api used in vinagre) [15:38] pochu: AFAIR, there's no API changes. I could be wrong, though. [15:39] pochu: http://gtk-vnc.sourceforge.net/Code [15:39] soren: this is the problem: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/vinagre/trunk/src/vinagre-tab.c?r1=129&r2=128&pathrev=129 [15:40] pochu: Ah, yes, tight encoding was added since gtk-vnc 0.3.2. [15:40] pochu: ...which is lossy. [15:40] ..so that was likely added since 0.3.2. [15:41] Well I have 0.3.2 and don't have that symbol: [15:41] emilio@pochu:~/tmp/tmp/vinagre/trunk$ nm -D /usr/lib/libgtk-vnc-1.0.so.0.0.1 | grep vnc_display_set_lossy_encoding [15:41] What I meant was that there's no SONAME bump needed. [15:41] emilio@pochu:~/tmp/tmp/vinagre/trunk$ [15:42] Right. === \sh is now known as \sh_away [15:42] pochu: I won't have time to update it today. I'll put it on my list for tomorrow. [15:43] I'll try to do it then. [15:43] Cool. [15:48] Hi all [15:48] Hey hey DarkSun88 [15:49]