[00:15] evening [00:18] hi everyone [00:18] im back! [00:18] well, kinda [00:19] im still in the airport, but im on my way home [00:19] welcome! [00:19] been gone on vacation for a while [00:19] anyone miss me? [00:20] the lazyweb surely did. [00:21] anyone else? [00:27] i guess the people im used to seeing on when i am arent atm because im in a completely different timezone than at home [00:29] oh come on, did anybody else even realize i was gone? [00:33] * stdin wonders who this coreymon77 fellow is ;) [00:33] stdin: hey! [00:34] how you been mate? [00:34] now theres a nick i recognize [00:34] great [00:34] whats been happening while ive been gone [00:34] did i miss alot? [00:35] just the uproar about hardy not being LTS, that got a bit of activity here for a few days [00:35] ??? hardys not lts [00:35] well theres a surprise! [00:35] kubuntu hardy isn't [00:35] oh] [00:35] ubuntu hardy is [00:35] ? [00:36] yeah, but who cares about ubuntu :p [00:36] lol [00:36] so we're going with KDE4 in hardy (from shipit) === gryc_ is now known as gryc [00:36] so, whens kde4 finally coming? [00:36] the 11th afaik [00:37] and is it stable enough? [00:37] coreymon77: summary: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/kubuntu/frequently-asked-questions/ [00:37] we hope so, we have time to test it before it's too late [00:37] lol [00:38] but right now i just stopped using kde4 after a day because the whole session crashed 4 times during that time [00:38] figures, i leave and thats when all the action happens! im here, dead! [00:38] and we've just put some svn versions of kde4 (from a few days ago) in the kubuntu-members-kde4 repo and hardy/universe [00:40] phew, being off the internet for three weeks sure causes you to miss quite a bit === Nightrose_ is now known as Nightrose [01:33] evening :) [01:34] are the paths changing in the rules file for 4.0? [01:41] not as yet [01:44] my thoughts on OS X after 1 hour of use: IT SUCKS [01:44] heh [01:44] maybe in one hour I can do a IT_SUCKS--; [01:44] lol [01:44] ok then [01:45] who in the hell likes this stuff, and why? [01:45] 2% of the market :D [01:45] * Jucato raises his hand and ducks [01:45] nixternal: artists and rockstrars [01:45] hehe [01:45] *quack* [01:45] stars* [01:45] ie. people with money [01:45] actually I just like seeing it... haven't really had the chance to really use one :) [01:45] what would need to change in the rules file on ktorrent? [01:45] although I would have probably gone crazy with no right mouse button :) [01:46] (in the old days maybe...) [01:46] how about no middle button? [01:47] I could live without one....but I do like it [01:54] how about no button? (the whole mouse is a big button...) [01:55] shoot, is it me or do you always have to restart after installing with osx [01:55] and the stupid startup sound is annoying..need to figure out how to shut that thing off [01:56] nixternal: did you get a MAC or something? [01:56] ya [01:57] just curious... why not a Ubuntu Dell? [01:58] a MAC or a Mac? :) [01:58] cuz this was free as in free beer [01:58] nixternal: if you hate it so much, you could always send it my way, btw :) [01:58] * Jucato loves free beer too :) [01:58] nixternal: wow....how'd you manager THAT? [01:58] honestly, I don't know [01:58] a rich friend of mine gave it to me [01:59] * Jucato only personally knows one person who owns a Mac... and he's running Mac OS 9... [01:59] I was talking to him that I always wanted to mess around with a mac but couldn't afford one, so he gave me one [01:59] wow! I need to get more rich friends too :) [01:59] * Jucato thinks nixternal is a friend magnet :P [01:59] people hate me in real life [01:59] wow.... [01:59] libphanon-dev [01:59] obviously not true... else you won't get a Mac :P [01:59] gaar [02:00] libphonon-dev :) [02:00] sorry [02:00] but I can't imagine anyone hating nixternal :) [02:00] nixternal: that's because of the free money, no? [02:00] hehe [02:00] vista, mac...what's next? [02:00] commodore64 [02:00] ;) [02:00] bsd? [02:00] have that [02:00] and that [02:00] haiku? [02:00] nope [02:00] :) [02:00] solaris. [02:00] ReactOS!!! [02:00] have that [02:00] Hobbsee!!!!!!!! [02:01] solaris that is [02:01] you'll have Hobbsee! [02:01] O.o [02:01] that didn't sound right [02:01] lol [02:01] haha [02:01] heya Jucato! [02:01] * Hobbsee is unhavable. [02:01] heheh [02:01] it's the OS that beats you with a long pointy stick until you do what it wants [02:02] Hobbsee sounds a little like vista... [02:02] how the hell do you see what is a) installed and b) run what is installed [02:02] * Hobbsee vistafies yuriy [02:02] s/vistafies/nixternalizes/ [02:02] nixternal: i think everything is supposed to be in Applications [02:03] nixternal: totally different workflow :) [02:03] nixternal: what? mac's care evolved enough to take voice comands yet? "tell me what you have mah dear cat" [02:04] s/care/aren't [02:04] heh, it does have speach...this OS is goofy to me [02:05] Goofy would be insulted [02:05] haha [02:05] coreymon would be insulted even more (he's back btw...) [02:09] oh wow, to uninstall a program in osx, you just drag its application folder to the trash [02:10] something tells me that leaves stuff behind [02:10] possibly, but the idea is that every application is self contained in it's little folder [02:10] klik follows the same idea [02:10] uhuh [02:10] GoboLinux too [02:10] although klik doesn't really *install* per se... but that's more of a technicality (right?) [02:11] GoboLinux does the os-x like folder renaming too [02:11] Jucato: i think it installs as much as OS X does [02:11] holy cow [02:12] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51034/ [02:12] the package built fine [02:22] Vorian: just ignore it [02:23] alrighty then :) [02:23] I have a candidate ready then === gryc__ is now known as gryc === gryc_ is now known as gryc [04:54] devs i need your help. how do i remove the standby and hibernate buttons from the logout dialog? i asked in kubuntu but no one knows. i assume someone here programmed that dialog === rouzic is now known as rouzic_ausente === rouzic is now known as rouzic_ausente === _czessi is now known as Czessi [11:30] imbrandon: how did kdebindings get along? [11:44] hi everyone [11:45] Riddell: tested the userconfig patch, works like a charm, I'm now testing the package and uploading [11:45] thanks Tonio_ [11:45] Tonio_: can you also close http://launchpad.net/bugs/177366 if it's been added [11:45] Launchpad bug 177366 in kde-guidance "misspelling found - lowercase 'w' in 'wine'" [Low,Triaged] [11:47] sure, that was already set to be close with the changelog [11:57] Riddell: uploaded [11:57] whee [12:08] * Tonio_ can't wait to see a fully translated power-manager working :) === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [13:22] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=119969933902243&w=4 [13:54] jpatrick: looks like fabo is on the case [14:04] :) [14:05] Riddell: did you get my kubuntu.org patch? [14:08] jpatrick: oh yes, sorry, I need to do that [14:10] morning :) [14:10] Riddell: I finished your task and nixternal uploaded it last night [14:11] moin Vorian [14:12] hey jpatrick :) [14:12] Vorian: hmm, I don't see it in New queue [14:12] hmm [14:12] he had me send him the debdiff [14:12] probably nixternal's fault :) [14:12] he also had me package kmldonky [14:13] lol [14:13] Vorian: great [14:13] it was my first from scratch :) [14:13] well... that took less than a day [14:14] is there anything you need help with today? [14:14] prephaps bug triage? :) [14:14] kk [14:15] Vorian: http://tinyurl.com/2pbx9u [14:16] *checks* [14:16] alrighty [14:16] those are untriaged bugs for Kubuntu [14:16] like !-kubuntu-bugs [14:17] hmm, kinda (I guess) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [15:37] Heya [15:41] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/85225 <-- perhaps somebody can close this bug [15:41] Launchpad bug 85225 in linux-source-2.6.17 "SoundBlaster Audigy 2 NX USB 2.0 behind USB 2.0 hub = strange things happen" [Undecided,New] [15:41] perhaps i should start a wish "warning, if usb bandwich is reached" ... ;) [15:51] Hello! Please let me know if you plan to support more Ricoh Memory card readers in the next kernel version. I have an Asus laptop (A6500) and those card readers (Manufacturer : Ricoh) do not work with Ubuntu. [15:51] luis_1234: this is a desktop channel [15:52] luis_1234: ask in #ubuntu-kernel [15:56] thanks, sorry for choosin wrong channel. [16:15] is it better to test hardy on a seperate partition or is ok in virtualbox [16:18] either should be fine [16:19] a virtual machine would probably be more convenient. but a separate partition/installation would let you test hardware-related/specific areas (like compositing, audio, usb, etc) [16:25] i usually wait till beta then i upgrade my install to the new version of kubuntu. [17:30] LWN coverage of non-LTS http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/263161/f81437367b341cb5/ [17:31] "December 28, 2007" [17:31] that's the one where nixternal said "oh, lord, they quoted me" [17:33] Riddell: that is old stuff [17:35] ok, I hadn't seen it before [17:54] Riddell: for some reason, kdm-kde4 wants to start /etc/X11/X as x-server [17:54] :-( [17:55] There is debian patch to retry with proper /usr/bin/X path, but not sure if this is really correct (it sure does not work for us) [17:55] Riddell: did kdm-kde4 work for anybody in kubuntu (like with earlier releases)? [17:56] wasn't my fault...I didn't upload ktorrent-kde4 last night, I will do it here in a few...fell asleep watching a movie [17:59] Lure: I've not heard of anyone using it [18:00] Riddell: ok ;-) [18:00] and now you expect me to fix it? ;-) [18:01] Lure: you'd win my eternal gratitude if you did manage to [18:14] on kdm-kde4, i installed it, went through the configuration dialogs and chose kdm-kde4. everythings been working fine. but just checked process list and /usr/bin/kdm is showing up. [18:25] tlayton: kubuntu hardy? [18:25] tlayton: if /usr/bin/kdm is running, then you have kde3 version [18:29] lure: yes, hardy [18:33] i couldn't get kde4's kdm working on gutsy, don't remember what the problem was exactly [18:34] hm.. i have a working kdm from kde4.. from svn [18:35] yuriy: here it complains about "cannot stat /etc/X11/X" [18:35] iRon: where do you install it? To /usr/bin or somewhere else? [18:37] Lure: actualy in /opt/kde4/bin :) [18:37] iRon: and how do you start it? Via /etc/init.d/kdm* ? [18:39] Lure: yes, i've changed path in /etc/init.d/kdm from /usr/bin/kdm to /opt/kde4/bin/kdm [18:39] iRon: ok, will try something similar here... [18:39] * Lure is currently testing on clean kde4-only install [18:40] Lure: and set /opt/kde4/bin/kdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager [18:44] iRon,Lure: I'll give it a try now too, just for the heck of it [18:46] it looks like my X server might be incomplete [18:46] installing kubuntu-desktop, then removing kde3 [18:46] * yuriy wonders if it would be possible to build a screen-like feature into konversation [18:47] ok, kde3 works now [18:50] yuriy: you mean run it on a server and connect a gui? try quassel when it is released - it will rock - developed by a friend of mine and aaron seigo seems to like it ;-) [18:52] i was thinking just something like "keep me signed in to irc while i log out" + maybe a text-based front end that you can then latch onto that session with [18:52] yuriy: kwwii has a proxy he connects to which does something like that, of course it's on a remote server [18:53] yuriy: quassel will do that for you - not released yet though [18:53] interesting [19:05] iRon,Lure: kdm-kde4, a few bugs here, logging in to kde3&kde4 just produced a terminal window, all accounts were listed in the garbled looking list, and it said 'welcome to debian' instead of 'kubuntu' [19:06] also, unlike kdm, kdm-kde4 didn't remember the last user login name [19:08] tlayton: welcome to Debian is to be fixed [19:08] tlayton: I think it is missing some config [19:08] tlayton: I got it started now (using patched kde3 config) [19:09] tlayton: but it took several minutes hanging on kde_config [19:16] Lure: are you talking about kdmrc? [19:17] Riddell: will the flash/konqui issue get an SRU for gutsy? [19:18] txwikinger: yes if a fix becomes available [19:18] Isn't it already fixed on hardy? [19:18] there's a prelininary patch [19:18] ah ok.. thanks [19:19] tlayton: kdmrc and X* files in /etc/kde3/kdm dir [19:29] I still can't play flash stuff in hardy..I get the sound but no video [19:30] nixternal: why not to use opera browser? ;-) [19:30] cuz I only prefer Konqi [19:31] plus the less non-free stuff I have the happier I am [19:31] kind of hard to advocate freeness when I use something non-free [19:34] nixternal: did you get my kmldonky? [19:34] ya, I am going to work on them here in a bit [19:34] sweet [19:34] thanks! [19:34] np [19:53] Right [19:53] I'm either jumping to hardy or installing Pclinux [19:54] DaSkreech: the choice is yours [19:54] What's the status on hardy? [19:54] is it still in high churn? [19:55] just time I tried upgrade it wanted to remove a ton of stuff (yesterday) [19:55] remove? :) [19:55] Me likes :) [19:55] KDE4 is still ppa right now? === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [19:55] DaSkreech: in hardy [19:56] sweet :) [19:57] jpatrick_: a lot of X apps are removed b/c they are now in new packages x11-apps, x11-utils [19:58] tlayton: May want to repeat :) === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [19:58] jpatrick: a lot of X apps are removed b/c they are now in new packages x11-apps, x11-utils [19:59] tlayton: I know [20:01] So is there a kubuntu4-desktop for hardy ? [20:01] DaSkreech: not yet [20:01] or is it just vanilla kde4 so far [20:01] DaSkreech: kde4 package is as near as you can get [20:01] ok [20:01] DaSkreech: no real customization yet [20:01] we first need to make it work ;-) [20:01] ok MIght do pclinux for a month or so then jusmp back to kubuntu [20:02] really can't take the computer freezing every 15 minutes [20:02] DaSkreech: there is a kde4-core, but i don't have it installed here [20:12] hiya guys [20:12] uga: you here? [20:25] oh, it was Riddell himself ;-) [20:37] Lure: uh oh, what did I do now? [20:38] I think the better question would be "what haven't I done" :p [20:38] ugh.. nite [20:41] Ha ha [20:43] Riddell: nothing ;-) [20:43] * Lure just thought he found the cause [20:43] ;-) [20:43] haha [20:45] still strugling to understand how cmake works (genkdmconf does not get executed in build -> no kdm confign in package) [20:46] !webcam [20:46] Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras [20:47] Well that was easy :) [20:47] no KDE4 for PClinuxOS [20:47] Guess I'm reinstalling on Hardy then [20:49] DaSkreech: why not? [20:49] Riddell: why not on PClinuxOS? [20:49] DaSkreech: yes [20:50] not LTS quality :-P [20:50] ah [20:51] they keep pointing me to the source [20:51] DaSkreech: I see they have a gnome edition though [20:52] a number of them run it but no repos for it and no plans for it right now [20:52] A gnome4 ? :) [20:54] ya, they just released the Gnome edition [20:54] I thought that PCLOS was going to do a KDE 4 disc [20:54] * nixternal goes and eats before passing out [20:55] Yeah they seem to have a repo and a Kde repo [20:55] :-p [20:56] Kinda like Fedora [21:03] ok, dudes, who speaks a foreign language? [21:03] * DaSkreech speaks Jamaican [21:03] * Nightrose speaks german [21:03] and a little spanish and latin [21:03] oh and has kde 4 installed [21:04] packages from ppa yes [21:04] * DaSkreech goes quiet [21:04] I will in like 3 weeks [21:04] * jpatrick speaks German, Spanish and Catalan [21:07] same question also here for people with cmake knowledge [21:07] [22:06] can somebody explain why kdm config files are not generated/installed during build. I do not understand why the last part of kdebase/workspace/kdm/kfrontend/CMakeLists.txt does not get executed [21:07] Riddell: ^^^ [21:08] jpatrick: you forgot English ;-) [21:08] Riddell: foreign for you? ;-) [21:08] Lure: that goes without saying [21:08] jpatrick: you just live in Spain, right? [21:08] Lure: yep [21:09] Riddell: I speak Slovenian & Croatian [21:10] still uploading de [21:10] * smarter speaks french and is currently building KDE4 from SVN on gutsy [21:11] Nightrose, jpatrick: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-l10n-de_4.0.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb [21:12] you'll need to --force-all it [21:12] * jpatrick wgets [21:12] * Nightrose starts laptop [21:13] * Lure grabs German while waiting ;-) [21:14] wgetting [21:17] Riddell: ups, now I got Deutsch ;-) [21:18] Riddell: either translation of system settings is not good or something does not work [21:18] * uga wonders what ScorpKing wanted [21:18] Nope apparently it's KDE with a Gnome edition [21:19] Wonder why it has a KDE repo [21:19] Anyway I hope I'll have loads of KDE4 Cds after the release party :) [21:25] Riddell: german working fine here [21:26] jpatrick: also in system settings? [21:26] jpatrick: I had still English in parts of Regional&Language [21:27] yep, good point [21:27] jpatrick: like .desktop files would be translated, but not window elements (Overview, Search...) [21:29] even logout/login did not improve it here [21:29] apart from System Settings, most of it is in german [21:30] * allee prepares a laptop for tests... Argl. libxine1 from gutsy-backports requires lots of additional gnome pkgs :( [21:32] allee: there's a newer version in hardy if you want to see if that's backportable === nivek_ is now known as nivek [21:33] Riddell: only .desktop files are translated here, so would be good to know what is different here from jpatrick's system [21:35] Riddell: I just changed language in Regional&Language (Add language, move it to top) - do I need to do something more? [21:37] Lure: that should be all [21:37] Riddell: k I'll look at it when I've hardy running [21:38] hmmm can´t open systemsettings kde4 to change the language.. [21:38] anything else i can do? [21:38] or try? [21:39] Nightrose: check .xsession-error for err msgs [21:39] k [21:39] Nightrose: export KDE_LANG=de [21:39] Nightrose: does it work from Konsole (systemsettings) [21:40] hehe easy on me guys ;-) this laptop is _lame_ [21:42] hmm nope that did not work - something else is borked here - will try to find out what === \sh is now known as \sh_away [21:51] wohoo - works now [21:51] logging out and in to check [21:53] Riddell: same here - most is in german but some stuff in systemsettings for example is still in english [21:54] Nightrose: could just be an incomplete translation [21:54] possible [21:55] thoguh it seems to be all the stuff inside the tabs and the heading of the tabs [21:55] seems like there is a system in it ;-) [21:55] will get you a screenshot === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [21:56] i'm using superkaramba in kde4 on hardy. my monitor applet works fine, but liquidweather complains about 'kross' not being available. any ideas? [21:58] hat jemand von euch Lust am KDE 4 Artikel für das Portal mitzuarbeiten? [21:58] sorry, wrong channel [21:58] tlayton: poke imbrandon into packaging kdebindings [21:58] lol [21:58] neversfelde: everyone busy these days :P [21:58] you should just copy'n'paste from kde.de [21:58] apachelogger: hehe [21:59] omg amarok without iconloader compiled [21:59] * apachelogger starts testing [22:00] -.- [22:00] Nightrose: hmm yes, it doesn't seem to translate kcontrol modules [22:00] Riddell: http://www.lydiapintscher.de/tmp/snapshot1.jpg [22:01] sorry http://www.lydiapintscher.de/tmp/snapshot1.png [22:01] like this everywhere i checked [22:02] Nightrose: tried relogin? [22:02] apachelogger: sure [22:02] not good [22:04] Nightrose: interesting - similar here, I just do not have Overview and Search translated too [22:04] just .desktop files [22:04] hmm [22:04] strange [22:04] Nightrose: did you use Regional&Settings or set LANGUAGE manually [22:05] regional and settings after i tried language and it did not work [22:05] Nightrose: where did your tabs go (General/Advanced)? [22:06] ? [22:07] I only get them in the overview [22:07] Nightrose: right, I was looking at main page and got confused [22:07] hehe ok [22:07] * Nightrose note that she does not like to use her system translated to german [22:08] like to work on an english system a lot more [22:08] it just all feels so wrong ;-) [22:08] * apachelogger thinks that barely matters if one speaks both languages :P [22:09] Nightrose: I can not even cope with Slovenian keyboard (useless for coding) ;-) [22:09] well just an observation after using a german one again after a few years;-) [22:09] Lure: hehe [22:12] bah [22:12] who installed kompare on my system? [22:12] apachelogger: Mr. Schäuble [22:12] meh [22:13] without asking me [22:13] :( [22:13] Nightrose: I agree with out about de desktop. But we need devels that test the translation, so stick with it ;) [22:13] allee: sure [22:13] after all it is only my laptop i use for testing and when traveling ;-) [22:13] * allee found someone else using de desktop, so he can switch back to english :) [22:14] it is to lame for daily use [22:14] allee: oO [22:14] not fair! [22:14] ;-) [22:14] hehe [22:14] * Nightrose needs to trick apachelogger into using it [22:14] :P [22:15] or blizzzek maybe [22:15] Nightrose: ask Schäuble to do install de for you on apachelogger host :) [22:15] rofl [22:15] * Nightrose calls [22:15] well [22:15] first [22:16]