=== micahg_ is now known as micahg [04:42] Good morning [07:02] “Passwords or encryption keys are required to access the network 'COWF'. I’m pretending not to know *which* are required.” — NetworkManager [07:21] charles, could you follow up on bug 1196059? Seems like one or two other bugs there that will get forgotten in a report of a fixed bug [07:33] mpt: hey, do you know who I can contact so that ubuntu-fr get the dvd covers source? As usual, we are doing our own french respin and this time, we didn't get the sources [07:33] didrocks, Marcus Haslam [07:34] mpt: thanks! [07:34] didrocks, and if something that usually happens didn’t happen this time, please ask him to add it to the checklist for things to do when producing the artwork. [07:34] mpt: yeah, will surely do! thanks again for the pointer :) [08:03] morning! [08:04] Laney, Hey [08:04] hey ;-) [08:06] good morning desktopers, happy friday! [08:06] morning Laney, darkxst, seb128! [08:07] hey didrocks, seb128! [08:09] good fridays off? [08:09] thursdays* [08:09] Laney: oh, we can get Friday off as well? \o/ [08:09] quite good indeed! [08:09] yeah, was nice thanks! [08:09] :) [08:09] except the weather maybe [08:09] the weather was perfect here :) [08:10] nice [08:10] I had no issue with the grey weather, I played tennis indoor and went to the spa in the afternoon [08:10] but weather is still supposed to be not-so-nice for the w.e :/ [08:11] argh :/ [08:12] yeah, same here [08:12] (should be fine here on saturday, not sunday) [08:12] http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2641170 [08:13] quite mixed weather [08:14] argh, and a deja-dup backup failing again :/ [08:14] * didrocks looks at mterry, who isn't there [08:15] same error you had before? [08:15] yeah [08:15] I guess it's only when it's trying to do a restore test [08:16] and no duplicity crash [08:16] I'll keep things opened and see with him [08:19] Laney, so how do go about getting colord-gtk promoted again? [08:20] an archive admin can do it [08:20] just get it used [08:20] that's going to make it show on component mismatch [08:21] seb128,https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.8.6-0ubuntu1 [08:21] =dep-wait [08:21] will that generate a mismatch? [08:22] (done) [08:24] darkxst, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.txt [08:24] o colord-gtk: gir1.2-colordgtk-1.0 libcolord-gtk-dev libcolord-gtk1 [08:24] MIR: #1282372 (Fix Committed) [08:24] [Reverse-Depends: Rescued from colord-gtk, libcolord-gtk-dev] [08:24] [Reverse-Build-Depends: gnome-control-center (MAIN)] [08:24] didrocks, done = promotion? [08:25] the proposed one doesn't generate emails though, so it's easier to miss [08:25] seb128: yeah [08:25] * Laney stabs live-build [08:25] didrocks, thanks [08:25] see bug :) [08:25] yw! [08:26] doh, tracker MIR [08:26] seb128: yeah, I put that on the shelf [08:26] I'm really vary about it [08:26] darkxst, nautilus still behaves the exact same way than before if tracker is not installed? [08:27] seb128, will make sure tracker plugin on runs on GNOME sessions [08:27] well, I've no doubt you are going to make sure tracker works for you [08:27] but please make sure it doesn't create extra depends or behaviour changes on other desktops [08:28] those of us who don't want tracker [08:28] seb128, it will create a dep on libtracker [08:28] but not the binaries [08:28] its only like 50KB or so [08:28] and not change the behaviour ? [08:29] it will not run on !GNOME [08:29] but we need to link to the lib, to be even able to build it [08:30] k, that's fine [08:30] well, we need somebody wanting to maintain tracker actively/provide support for it [08:30] if it's in main [08:31] which our desktop team doesn't want to do [08:31] but I guess that's a question for the MIR review [08:31] seb128: on the MIR, the ubuntu gnome seems to commit to do that [08:31] team* [08:31] I would still like a security review from jdstrand [08:31] ok, good [08:31] yeah, that wouldn't be too much [08:31] but I need first to do a first pass [08:36] Laney, did you start looking at the unity8 iso ? [08:36] Laney, I'm going to create a blueprint now, then start looking at the seed (let me know if you had a start on it so I don't dup work ;-) [08:37] seb128: not the seed, I'm trying to build an unchanged ubuntu iso to start [08:37] ok, good [08:37] I'm going to start on the blueprint/list of packages then [08:50] moin! [08:51] seb128: sooo, whats the suggessted version for the fixed precise SRU? 1:3.5.7-0ubuntu7? or maybe 1:3.5.7-0ubuntu6.1? [08:52] Sweetshark, either works, just made sure it's not a version that was used in other series [08:55] seb128: and a/ should it have a new changelog entry or a modified existing one? b/ if new changelog, the -v for dpkg-genchanges should be the last version in precise (not the last version in precise-proposed) thus having two versions in the changes file, right? [08:56] (as for other versions/series: we dont even have anything as ancient as 1:3.5.7-xxx in any other series at all) [08:57] Sweetshark, b/ and yes, -v1:3.5.7-0ubuntu5 (or whatever is the current precise-updates version) [08:57] e.g the .changes should include both uploads [08:57] seb128: thanks. [08:57] yw! [08:59] seb128: FWIW, Ill write a short postmortem mail still on why this happened and how we might prevent it the future (hopefully still today) [09:02] Sweetshark, ok [09:02] Sweetshark, didn't you get a non virtual ppa with armhf builders? could we have test build it there? [09:12] seb128: quick question, anything else to do for https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316509 ? (btw, just saw on errors.ubuntu.com that the related bug is #5 in the overall list for 14.04...) [09:14] okay ubuntu-defaults-image produces a working iso [09:14] I wonder what that was doing differently to me ... [09:19] ochosi, no, I'm going to sponsor that today, sorry for the delay, yesterday was an holiday here [09:19] Laney, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity8-desktop-iso btw (you probably saw it through email, subscribed you) [09:19] yep, thanks [09:20] I'll take a couple of the items [09:20] thanks, I was unsure how to split them, those are just a few random one to get something on the list [09:21] so feel free to regroup/tweak/add some other ones [09:22] yeah i'm sure more will come up [09:27] seb128: yes, thatwould be one conclusion in the post-mortem. I didnt use the PPA yet, as we wanted to make the builder able to produce binaries that we could dump into the archive without rebuilding again and that needed a specific setup. [09:28] (actually two setups and PPAs IIRC, one for ubuntu+1 uploads and one for SRUs) [09:28] Sweetshark, right, without that you could still use the ppa for test builds [09:28] seb128: yep [09:28] but even better if that could be used for security updates/SRUs [09:34] seb128: sure, no worries! thanks for the sponsoring! [09:36] yw! [09:52] seb128, Laney, so what can happen with g-s-d/g-c-c can they be added to ubuntu-gnome packageset while still in main? or should I just apply for ubuntu-desktop? [09:59] darkxst, I'm fine having them added to the ubuntu-gnome packageset, we might want to move the schemas/shared-data to be built from the unity variants instead, that might let us demote g-s-d [10:07] I think it's best to move them there, as when we finally fix the sets to be generated again they'll require an exception at that point [10:24] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/random-scripts/build-ubuntu-iso [10:24] that works to build an unchanged iso [10:24] should be able to add a new project to livecd-rootfs (auto/config) to test this new stuff iiuc [10:26] Laney, is that a new script? [10:26] don't we have standard tools/documented workflow to build isos? [10:27] it's not very easy [10:28] :-( [10:28] some of that was nicked from ubuntu-defaults-builder though, which was useful [10:28] I tried once with ubuntu-defaults-builder when Kylin started [10:28] that worked fine [10:28] but cjwatson helped them to use the standard infra/seeds later on [10:28] they still don't use seeds [10:29] they don't use ubuntu-defaults-builder anymore afaik? [10:29] I didn't follow the details [10:29] sure do [10:29] k, I had the impression Colin made them do things differently [10:29] it's why they have all those hacks to remove packages and stuff [10:29] but I didn't follow, so maybe I got the wrong impression [10:29] because they aren't using proper seeds yet [10:29] that is the goal though [10:29] crazyness [10:30] building an iso should be easier :/ [10:34] for most people ubuntu-defaults-builder should be quite easy [10:34] we want to be able to test a new project though === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:01] seb128, why not just split the schemas? I am a little concerned about having all these redundant keys, in g-s-d [11:05] basically people google problem (it say to set some key with dconf-editor) but that is an old key that does nothing in GNOME [11:06] and its only going to get worse as cycles progress [11:07] g-c-c shared data makes sense though since that stuff doesnt really change [11:11] (atleast until gnome decide to dump it all into a gresource, although that probablty won't happen for icons etc) [11:14] http://ubuntuone.com/6tnvx5bt6IuhIG8DNFq4X0 [11:20] Laney, what remix are you doing? ;-) [11:20] darkxst, split the schemas how? [11:21] seb128, fork them [11:21] heh [11:21] like have a new source? [11:21] I made a version which doesn't install ubuntu-desktop [11:21] or like change the keys for Unity? [11:21] that's what you get [11:21] k [11:21] yes rename 3.8 keys for unity [11:22] that would require to migrate datas [11:22] do you suggest doing that for all keys? [11:22] or just the ones GNOME drops? [11:23] seb128, just brainstorming here really, I really certain what is best [11:23] probably most of the keys dropped in 3.12, could also be dropped in u-s-d [11:24] but things like the changes in 3.10 are quite disruptive for u-s-d [11:24] ideally upstream would treat gsettings schemas as an abi [11:24] e.g don't do incompatible changes [11:24] especially that gsettings abort on missing keus [11:24] keys [11:26] seb128, would be even better if the world didnt crash for a missing key! [11:26] indeed [11:52] good morning desktoppers [11:52] o/ seb128 are you back today? [11:52] rickspencer3, hey [11:52] rickspencer3, yes, only the 8th was an holiday [11:53] welcome back :) [11:53] thanks, you too ;-) [11:53] (you were off 2 days, then it was off for us, little overlap this week) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === nessita_ is now known as nessita === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:24] seb128: I made ppa:~ubuntu-desktop/unity8-flavour to put packages in for making test images [13:24] will update the iso script to add that [13:25] Laney, ok, great [13:25] Laney, I've a list of packages but I'm not sure what we want to do [13:25] do we want a proper seed? [13:25] think so [13:25] or start with the Kylin style [13:25] like adding packages to install/remove [13:25] I think we've learned that that doesn't work very well for flavours [13:28] Laney, so you use http://people.canonical.com/~laney/random-scripts/build-ubuntu-iso to build an iso? how do you provide it the seed/packages to install/...? [13:28] + seeds would be closer to what touch does already [13:28] that builds just an unmodified Ubuntu iso at the minute [13:29] you modify auto/config which comes from livecd-rootfs to add a new PROJECT [13:29] which then says what to install [13:30] so we'll add a new project type in there that installs the new task/metapackage [13:31] k [13:31] * seb128 gets livecd-rootfs to have a look [13:32] xnox: do you know how the ubuntu-live task works? [13:32] http://ubuntuone.com/6tnvx5bt6IuhIG8DNFq4X0 shows that it doesn't really install enough packages on its own [13:33] Could not access backend storage [13:34] f5 [13:35] Laney: that looks like a reasonable default ubiquity look, if like a desktop is missing. [13:35] =) [13:36] Laney: are you expecting ubuntu-settings-daemon or gnome-settings-daemon & e.g. light-themes installed? [13:36] yeah I'm wondering if it should install a theme and icons or not [13:36] Laney: i think you do want ubuntu-font installed & that set. [13:37] Laney: look at ubiquity-dm and i'm happy to tweak it to make ubiquity look better in this strip down environment. [13:37] my question is is that the responsibility of the flavour or should the ubuntu-live task do it [13:37] i'm not massively interested in supporting the bare bones thing :P [13:38] ./build-ubuntu-iso: 65: ./build-ubuntu-iso: PROJECT=ubuntu: not found [13:38] hum [13:38] hm, a bit of both. e.g. one needs to explicitly seeds things "e.g. unity-settings-daemon" and ubiquity-dm has been tweaked to take advantage of whats's available in the "live session" [13:39] so we try to mimic "live session" as much as possible.... but if there is no live-session to mimic, one needs to seed things to trick ubiquity-dm expectations. [13:39] it's just you want to be seeded, in a way that gets auto-removed on the installed system. [13:40] similar to how e.g. btrfs-tools is seeded. [13:40] that's fine [13:40] i looks like you do have a gnome/unity-settings-daemon running [13:40] since solid blue is the default background color. [13:41] and ubiquity does nothing to that, so a package which sets default background schema key / override is missing. [13:42] ditto, indicators are present -> their icon theme clearly isn't, and/or settings keys to pick the right default theme. [13:42] mpt, wrt, bug 1196059, sure [13:42] thanks === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:46] Laney, that script is supposed to be run into a livecd-rootfs tree or something? [13:46] seb128: no, a clean directory [13:46] Laney," build-ubuntu-iso: PROJECT=ubuntu: not found" [13:46] doh [13:47] that sounds like a syntax error though [13:47] but it works for me [13:47] I guess I need to install livecd-rootfs [13:47] yep [13:47] i put a list at the top [13:47] oh, DOH [13:47] I though that was a list of stuff the script was installing :p [13:47] thanks ;-) [13:47] that list might not be complete [13:48] like if I had some stuff already installed [13:48] I've all those installed [13:48] how are you running it? [13:49] I dunno why you'd get an error but not me [13:49] $ sudo ./build-ubuntu-iso [13:49] but l65 is [13:49] $SUDO PROJECT=$PROJECT ARCH=$ARCH lb build [13:49] I fail to see a command there? [13:50] ignore that [13:51] works without sudo [13:52] interesting [13:56] hum [13:56] "chroot: failed to run command '/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory [13:56] " [13:58] I got that once, think it went away when I started again from a clean directory [13:58] k [13:58] * seb128 tries that [14:18] Laney, bah, "build/chroot/test-dev-null: Permission denied" [14:18] I keep hitting that [14:18] and it bails out with [14:18] "chroot: failed to run command '/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory" [14:18] displayed [14:18] wtf [14:19] I never saw that one [14:19] do you run it under sudo ? [14:19] not directly [14:19] or let the wrapper do the sudo ? [14:19] let me try that [14:19] I just ./file [14:26] no cookie for mterry! backup are failing again [14:27] didrocks, uh oh [14:27] mterry: actually, I wonder if it's not rather the check (which isn't done after each backup) fails? [14:27] didrocks, very possible [14:27] mterry: telling me I have no ~/.cache/deja-dup/metadata file in my backup… Which is true, I don't have any in my ~ [14:28] mterry: I ignore ~/.cache, but I guess that's fine? (maybe the default?) [14:29] didrocks, so that is a canary-in-the-goldmine file [14:29] didrocks, deja-dup inserts that into every backup [14:29] didrocks, and when verifying, tries to recover that file [14:29] didrocks, looks like it had a problem [14:29] :( [14:29] didrocks, and yeah, DD ignores ~/.cache by default [14:30] ok, it wasn't me adding that up [14:30] didrocks, is that all the info it gives? Ideally we'd tell you the error that happened [14:30] so, it's really that the backup is failing maybe [14:30] didrocks, well. Backup is apparently completing fine. But looks like your files may not be as recoverable as we think [14:31] mterry: if I translate the GUI error in english, it's roughly "can't restore "/home/didrocks/.cache/deja-dup/metadata": the file isn't in the backup" [14:31] didrocks, that should be nicer :-/ [14:32] mterry: I grepped your code for any "I hate didrocks" or anything… but it seems you obfuscated it :p [14:32] mterry: any log files I can look at? [14:32] didrocks, no, but you could run DD like "DEJA_DUP_DEBUG=1 deja-dup --backup" and get all sorts of logging [14:33] mterry: ok, doing [14:33] didrocks, thanks! [14:33] mterry: thanks to you! hoping I'll get enough debug infos :) [14:33] info* [14:33] * didrocks even runs with LANG=C [14:34] "all sorts of loggin" -> it's quite accurate :p [14:41] ok cool it booted into unity8 [14:42] not that it works in any way well in a vm [14:42] oh that's a bit better [14:43] it should work in a vm [14:43] well llvmpipe, it might be slow and stuff [14:43] http://ubuntuone.com/3xvHfv1njOAPBcFCIQpRF1 [14:43] or do you mean unity8 on Mir? [14:43] I had to change the driver [14:43] nah, this is x11 [14:43] k [14:43] makes sense [14:43] I'm not sure you can use Mir in a vm [14:44] I didn't dare try that first [14:44] * Laney updates the online script copy [14:44] oh let me fix the sudo thing first [14:45] did you figure out what is wrong? [14:45] the variable is empty [14:45] that should be like it was not there? [14:45] it's just some shell scripting problem [14:45] but no, not yet [14:45] k [14:45] well if you figure it out, let me know [14:45] I'm curious to know what's wrong [14:45] I tried to figure it out, but that just escape my shell knowledge [14:47] yeah I would have expected that to work [14:49] Laney, ok, good news is that after starting fresh (wget the script again, new directory) I don't get the env error anymore, not sure what changed though [14:49] mterry: it didn't complain (apart from some files it couldnt' back up) [14:49] It seems to be a bit picky if something goes wrong in a run [14:49] like clean doesn't clean back to a working state then [14:49] yeah [14:49] mterry: does it try everytime to do this restore "metadata" file? [14:50] didrocks, yeah, if memory serves [14:51] mterry: weird then… so I can at least reproduce the flakyness of sometimes it's backing up successfully, sometimes not… [14:51] hrm [15:04] seb128: bah I don't know, I can't find an answer so I'll work around by using 'env' in the empty case [15:05] Laney, maybe try asking on #ubuntu-devel, we have some shell script gurus in there [15:05] I asked on the twittersphere [15:06] has twitter proved efficient for those sort of things? ;-) [15:06] some nerds follow me :P [15:06] hehe [15:08] ok there's a new version which adds the ppa [15:08] and changes the flavour, so you'll need the new livecd-rootfs, coming in 5 minutes [15:08] ok [15:19] there [15:19] remember you need that on the host === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:24] right [15:28] Sweetshark, not sure if you saw, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1219245 is ranked high on e.u.c for trusty (n°6 on the daily report) [15:29] (what happened to the bot?) [15:35] seb128: annual leave =) [15:36] french bot [15:38] roh [15:38] heh, friday trolling! [15:39] ;) [15:52] seb128: if the control center complains that it can not find a plugin for provider ubuntuone, am I misisng a package? or is utopic broken currently? [15:53] mvo_, that never worked, use the ubuntuone-control-panel-qt on desktop [15:54] mvo_, that's bug #1287640 [15:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center-signon/+bug/1287640 [15:58] seb128: thanks [15:59] yw [15:59] mvo_, if that's for the touch stack, you can also use ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts to configure it [16:03] seb128: hm, u1-control-panel-qt is not available in utopic [16:03] seb128: I'm on unity8 desktop [16:04] mvo_, install ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts [16:04] use settings -> accounts [16:05] seb128: hm, now I have a focus proble [16:07] seb128, can you please NEW the i386 binary for libphonenumber? [16:07] * kenvandine is glad to have that one behind him [16:08] kenvandine, looking [16:09] seb128, hey [16:09] seb128, how can we do that? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1281058/comments/21 [16:09] just the first point === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:11] * xnox ponders what is the Chinese word for "scopes" =) [16:11] andyrock, I can do it for you if you give me a branch [16:12] andyrock, it's basically "build an updated pot, upload it through https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/unity/+pots/unity/+upload" [16:12] xnox, oh, did you get spam as well ? [16:12] * ogra_ noticed that too [16:13] seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/lp-1281058/+merge/215331 [16:14] ogra_: yeah, didn't see travel approval code in that mail however =) [16:14] lol [16:15] heh [16:15] "15.30 am" [16:16] thats early :P [16:18] andyrock, is that design approved, the strings are not going to change? === jasoncwarner___ is now known as jasoncwarner === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [16:27] JohnLea, around? [16:27] seb128, let's ask to John [16:31] seb128: need to upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/7422235/, how do you want me to proceed? [16:31] seb128: doing a silo and such? [16:32] rsalveti, doesn't seem necessary, feel free to upload/commit directly to trunk [16:32] rsalveti, thanks for checking first btw ;-) [16:32] seb128: sure, np, thanks === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [16:45] seb128, i sent an email to john [16:45] let's wait for the answer [16:49] andyrock, k [17:19] happy weekend everyone! [17:20] Laney, thanks, you too! [17:20] * Laney hugs jasoncwarner [17:20] best of luck! [17:21] thanks Laney :) same back! [19:19] jasoncwarner: hey, best of luck and happy weekend [19:19] * mvo_ waves and vanishes [19:42] jasoncwarner, oh my... clock is ticking on your last day! [19:50] Thanks mvo! And kenvandine yeah. But I'll still hangout here so I can pester people with my pet bugs ;) [19:50] hehe [19:51] jasoncwarner, can't believe your leaving, we'll miss you [19:51] and the steak! [19:53] kenvandine: mostly the steak ;) but yeah, same goes here!!! [19:53] nah... the steak was just a perk [19:53] :) [19:55] kenvandine: :) [19:56] but i'll be sure to tell bfiller the bar you set, he'll have to try to live up to the steak houses :) [19:56] jasoncwarner, did i tell you went went to that greek place in orlando in feb? there was some table dancing :) [19:59] kenvandine: no! Who was it this time ? [20:00] all the teams that went on the sprint [20:00] i think about 40 of us... [20:00] and i'm pretty sure everyone ended up on the table at some point :) [20:01] Nice [20:01] fun place, great place to get to know a new manager :) [20:06] kenvandine: new person better get that in interview process ;) [20:06] Good social question for them ;) [20:08] jasoncwarner: so where is the pet bug vs. steak exchange rate right now? [20:12] hah [20:12] i don't think i ever actually went to Opa! in orlando [20:13]