[00:35] aquarius: I know almost nothing about DistUtilsExtra [00:38] mhall119, this may be simple: the bit in setup.py which sets version number and so on, can I put code in there? Or is it parsed as text? [00:40] aquarius: it's executed as python [21:34] mhall119, would having a quickly template which contained a compiled executable be acceptable? [21:35] mhall119, I have this idea that a quickly template for qml where you promise you're *only* going to use QML (and not add anything extra) might be a lot simpler than the existing one [21:40] mhall119, so it'd ship with a tiny little exe which was hardcoded to load "myapp.qml" or something similar. But if you have to *compile* that little exe from source to use the template (not to *make* the template) then it's suddenly less cool again [21:46] aquarius: what would be the benefit to that? [21:46] mhall119, no python, so it's faster. you don't need the 1.8 million different python files that quickly template provides right now [21:47] aquarius: I mean, why not have the executable's source in the template, and compile it? [21:48] mhall119, because then "quickly run" is complicated and has compile stuff in it and involves C++ and compilers and might fail and will print a million complicated compilation messages that no-one cares about, and you need dev libraries and etc [21:49] I don't think app developers should have to care about that. I mean, it's hard. [21:50] aquarius: compile it on "quickly create" [21:51] mhall119, it might fail [21:51] why would it fail on create? [21:51] I think it should be compiled and shipped in the distro as a binary :) [21:52] becuas eyou might not have the right libraries. gcc might be set up wrong. Who knows why C stuff fails? Not having to care about that is why I use python ;) [21:53] put the lib deps in your template's package so you know they're installed [21:53] also, why would I want to compile it on quickly create? why not just ship a binary? [21:53] so that you don't have to call your QML file "myapp.qml" [21:54] personally I think Ubuntu should ship a binary called qml-runner and generated stuff should depend on it. :) [21:54] haven't convinced everyone of that yet though [21:54] you haven't written it yet either ;) [21:54] 'cos I'd have to write it in C++. I'm prepared to put approximately as much work as I would spend writing it into convincing Saviq to write it instead. :P [21:57] aquarius: you can maybe convince bobweaver in #ubuntu-tv to help you with that, if you really think it's a good idea [21:57] mhall119, ooh good thought :) [21:57] as long as you'll help get it packaged and submitted to Universe [22:00] that's why I was going to talk to saviq [22:00] :) [22:10] can myapps depend on universe stuff? [22:11] yes [22:11] just not other myapps stuff [22:17] kk