[00:00] Daekdroom: are you familiar with ATI ? [00:01] I currently own a HD5450 [00:01] Daekdroom: have you ever got problem that installing drivers from ati and built them debs makesakes you use Unity 2D ? [00:01] because associated file /usr/lib/fglrx/etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl32.icd (of link group x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf) doesn't exist. [00:01] some kind of this error while setup [00:02] http://bpaste.net/show/24816/ [00:02] I don't think I've ever tried to use fglrx with this card. [00:02] I prefer the opensource drivers. [00:02] aa .. [00:02] I wish I could kill person who's resposinble for FGLRX in Ubuntu [00:02] :) [00:03] gotta go.. bye [00:24] haha poor glosoli === mikester01 is now known as mikester01|AFK [00:32] Is anybody seeing an issue where two icons are showing up on the launcher for applications? [00:33] BUG: User theme extension doesn't work in precise pangolin. [00:33] spaceneedle, what user theme extension? [00:34] The thing you install themes with in gnome shell. [02:11] Error during commit [02:11] 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend libtinfo5 for libncurses5, probably [02:11] a dependency cycle.' [02:11] Restoring original system state [02:11] seems an issue with apt or python-apt... but I don't know how to work around it. [02:18] looks like the chromium dev inputs are just like last rev, late [02:33] is Unity meant to be sane with dual monitors on 12.04b1, I have the launcher on both monitors (seems a bad idea) and whenever I click on an app on 2nd screen launcher it open only 1st monitor. [02:36] how do I remove the surplus launcher from screen 2, it seems pointless if all it does is open apps on primary screen away [02:36] if I have to start gconf-editor i'll vomitt [02:37] my ubuntu won't reboot or power off. How can I fix this? [02:47] http://askubuntu.com/questions/111340/unity-is-it-retarded-with-2-screens [03:08] royale1223: if you use: sudo shutdown -h now does it turn off? [03:44] im having issues with installing themes, seems like its white text on white background [03:46] pdkl: very few themes have been updated for GTK 3.3/3.4 [03:46] pdkl: is it a gnome3 theme? [03:47] its a gtk3 theme [03:47] pdkl: may help http://www.techlw.com/2012/02/install-black-window-gtk32-theme-on.html [03:49] we need more bright pink themes..... [03:50] haha [03:50] trying out unity, its interesting [03:50] fembuntu [03:50] campbuntu [03:51] this linux mint is basically ubuntu relabeled? [03:52] basicaly.. we dont reccomendint. [03:52] yes it is [03:52] best to stick to the realbuntu [03:56] perhaps i should have installed 11.10 :P [03:56] pdkl: good idea, the 3rd party themes should work fine then [03:57] GTK made a whole lot of theming changes this cycle :( [03:57] pdkl: mint isn't supported in the ubuntu channels. it has its own support channels and forums [03:57] i am using 12.04 [03:57] i had warty for the longest time [03:58] that was sooo stable [04:01] my commodore 64 was stable. ;) [04:03] bless the 6801 [04:05] 6502. and z80s the good old days [04:06] my horse is stable [04:24] c64 used 6510, not 6502. [04:25] vic20 used 6502. [04:25] got a vic 20 also [04:25] me too. [04:25] but I tink we're off topic now :P [04:25] timex sinclare hanging on the wall. [04:40] hello! [04:41] I'm setting up a file server for my parents... one I plan to put in place and never touch again unless needed. I'm considering on doing 12.04 beta 1 so I can cut out some of the wait-till-released time. [04:41] once it's finally released, if I do an upgrade, would it bump the beta to final release? [04:41] thats how apt wirks. [04:41] thought so, but I wanted to make sure [04:42] if there's likely to be something different with the final release vs the beta I'd install I'd rather wait [04:42] Roasted: you are using the same repos as the official release will use so you will upgrade seamlessly [04:42] but for a fileserver do you really need 12.04 [04:42] dr_willis: i would, lts is niiiice [04:42] dr_willis, no, I don't - but I'd rather do 12.04 since it has the longer LTS cycle [04:43] it could break between now and release ;) [04:43] it could, but I'll take that chance [04:43] as long as I can bump it to what I'd get out of the final release, I'm happy [04:43] wrong tab, sorry [04:43] or do lts to lts whrn its released [04:43] well [04:43] I kind of need it done now [04:44] so I'm etiher going 11.10 or 12.04, tonight [04:44] would rather do 12 just to forget about it, ssh into it later, upgrade, reboot, done [04:46] Roasted: go to 12.04 [04:46] Roasted: there are some minor bugs, but system is usable [04:47] glosoli, that's what I'm thinking [04:47] especially for a file server.. pfft. [04:47] I'd probably think twice if it were for work and needed to serve 4 thousand people :P [04:47] Roasted: for example some people report screen corruptions after entering username and password, it happens only desktop loads and some other problems, but all in all, i am running it on a main machine, and system is usable [04:48] only until desktop loads'' [04:48] Roasted: may I ask you which VGA do you have ? [04:48] Roasted: do-release-upgrade works ok remotely as well. [04:48] i see a gfx glitz on login. ;) [04:48] glosoli, I'm not sure. it's some onboard thing, likely intel. [04:48] dr_willis: same here :) really anoying for me, but can live with that [04:48] glosoli, I'm not even sure I'd use unity. I'd probably put lxde on it. [04:48] Roasted: so you are likely to have less problems than me [04:48] glosoli, what do you have? [04:49] ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5730 1GB [04:49] sorry to hear that [04:49] ATI makes me cringe :< [04:49] Nah, I am not sorry ;D Seems like ATI made some pretty good fixes [04:49] ATI... [04:49] made... fixes? [04:49] get out... [04:49] Can compare it to nVidia [04:49] :) [04:49] nVidia is a more of a mess now [04:49] I doubt it. No offense, but I wouldn't rate ATI anywhere near the ball park of Nvidia. ;) [04:50] Nvidia just works on all of my systems. [04:50] I actually just returned an ATI card for my HTPC the other week. [04:50] Roasted: Try buying new Nvidia card. [04:50] glosoli, I did [04:50] three of them actually [04:50] I did three new builds about a week ago [04:50] Does it has 2 gpus ? [04:50] ati gpl drivers at leaat work now for me ;) [04:50] glosoli, 2 physical graphics cards? [04:50] Optimus [04:50] nVidia Optimus [04:50] isn't supported for Linux :))))) [04:51] glosoli, do you use FGLRX [04:51] It makes nVidia suck so much that it isn't even close to being as good as ATI :) [04:51] or open source drivers [04:51] FGLRX [04:51] works just fine [04:51] ya know [04:51] I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic or not [04:51] I am not :) [04:51] Works perfectly [04:51] I hate to sound like that but ATI is just so bad with Linux, and all of this news about them laying off more and more Linux devs and FGLRX failing more and more [04:51] Much more better than Open source drivers [04:51] I just can't take this conversation seriously. [04:51] but hey [04:52] agree to disagree [04:52] ;) [04:52] Roasted: Well, you just say that from your past interested, I say that as these days everyday user [04:52] past? [04:52] you do realize I said I returned an ATI card... last week, right? [04:52] it failed even a matter of.. six days ago [04:52] popped an Nvidia in, bam [04:53] worked great, HTPC is back up and running without issue [04:53] but hey, use what works. I know I do. [04:53] Roasted: what was wrong with it ? :D [04:53] terrible playback, no audio over hdmi [04:53] everything was choppy [04:53] if I moved the mouse, it froze the video for a few seconds [04:53] Roasted: hmm, ATI takes an action for audio ? [04:53] as if moving the mouse alone shocked the card enough that it couldn't keep up [04:53] Roasted: which model it was ? [04:54] I'm not sure offhand [04:54] it was recommended to me for HTPC usage [04:54] it was a 1 gig card [04:54] 5 something [04:54] I didn't give enough of a damn to look further into it when a few nights went by with no additional help on forums, irc, etc, other than "dude just get an nvidia and be done" [04:54] I did, done deal. ;) [04:55] hmm [04:55] Roasted: did you tryed fglrx ? [04:55] if you did, was it the one in ubuntu repos ? [04:55] yeah, I tried the open source first though [04:55] no fglrx ? :D [04:55] but I did fglrx afterwards [04:55] The one in repos ? :D [04:55] it was what was ever in additional drivers menu [04:55] Roasted: you should thank for trolls how stupid they are [04:55] :) [04:55] Didin't recommended you to use binary which had 12.1 version which fixed most of the ati problems [04:56] :)))) [04:56] actually... [04:56] 12 rings a bell... [04:56] I remember reading that, that 11 had quite a few bugs [04:56] It's Ubuntu's fault not updating fglrx :))) in repos [04:56] I kind of forget, but I feel like 12 is what I used. [04:57] 12.2 is out 2 days ago, and 12.3will be out in 3 weeks :)) [04:57] No you didin't [04:57] it wasnt .2 [04:57] definitely .1 [04:57] It wasnt 12.1 [04:57] pretty positive about that [04:57] if you used repos :) [04:57] I am sure for that :) [04:57] unless yuo built debs by yourself you used 11.11 [04:57] I used several different drivers that users recommended to me [04:57] open source first [04:57] then additional drivers menu [04:58] and then nothing to try else [04:58] then I downloaded a package externally [04:58] good lord [04:58] let me type [04:58] Roasted: I just know how troll'y this community sometimes can be :) [04:58] First time I got here, there were people who told me the same [04:58] get nvidia and bla bla bla :) [04:58] glosoli, I've been on linux for a number of years [04:58] <3 nvidia [04:58] and there's one thing that's always been true [04:58] ATI has always, always lacked in support [04:58] always [04:59] today, the gap is even wider than it used to be [04:59] Roasted: Yes it did, i have been 5 years :) [04:59] if ATI works for you, use it [04:59] but I went with Nvidia because it works for me [04:59] at this point, I wouldn't even consider ATI again after the run ins I had with them [04:59] I like popping the card in, clicking install, and being done with tinkering [04:59] Roasted: I don't blame you for going nvidia, because it took su much for ati to release new drivers which worked [04:59] :) [04:59] I'm glad to hear they may have, finally, FINALLY come out of the we-suck era [04:59] i share the fglrx pain [04:59] and it happened only this friggin year.. [05:00] however, I still wouldn't come within 10 yards of one of their cards [05:00] I have no idea what prompted me to even consider them again with the HTPC build [05:00] but hey, lesson learned [05:00] snadge: I share Ubuntu problem now, as It doesn't update fglrx in repos [05:00] there is a ppa with up to date fglrx driver [05:00] ubuntu swat or something [05:01] hmm its out of date too [05:01] snadge: if you wan't to crash your system [05:01] you should go for it [05:01] and that ppa is old [05:01] if you want crashed system use xorg edgers :))) [05:01] for bleeding edge xorg stuff and fglrx newest [05:02] yeah edgers has the latest fglrx.. you might be able to install just fglrx from that [05:02] by enabling the repo. installing only fglrx.. then disabling it again [05:02] I can't wait for open source drivers to catch up [05:02] it'd be a great day [05:02] didn't broadcom just open source their drivers?? [05:02] otherwise.. just download from amd.. then use --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise [05:02] snadge: if you read notes for edgers ppa you wouldn't even try that :) [05:02] that works for me [05:03] Roasted: it will never catch up :) [05:03] glosoli, someday, it will [05:03] glosoli: that probably only applies to x components which fglrx does not depend on [05:03] Roasted: some day ATI/Nvidia drivers will me more further, and OSS drivers will catch the state of 2012 :D [05:03] snadge: Read the note. [05:03] i did [05:03] glosoli, if that's your mentality, you shouldn't be using linux my friend. ;) [05:04] Roasted: It's programmers logic. [05:04] "logic" [05:04] They will catch only if ATI or Nvidia will give them source. [05:04] Other than that, they will be like a tail for dog [05:04] hopefully some day they do [05:04] they cant due to licensing and patent reasons [05:04] patent reasons [05:04] gah [05:04] As I said [05:04] the missing components in the free drivers are missing for that reason [05:04] :))) [05:04] My friend [05:05] the patent system is so bad [05:05] I used to read tech news sites religiously [05:05] but it gets so old [05:05] apple suing another company, etc [05:05] yea :D [05:05] apple suing motorola and google ;D [05:05] nvidia recently joined the linux foundation, which should help things get better in the nvidia camp [05:05] for letting to see documentations [05:05] ActionParsnip, very nice [05:05] ActionParsnip: And friggin ati will never join :D? [05:05] glosoli: you need to direct your rage at amd.. its not really anything to do with ubuntu devs.. as far as im aware, they may receive a limited amount of assistance from amd.. but from what i can tell.. they dont [05:06] and theres no direct avenue of complaint to the linux developer(s) who work on fglrx at amd [05:06] haha, yeah [05:06] snadge: well at least they can update fglrx in repos don't they ? [05:06] glosoli: dunno, maybe [05:06] contacting linux/amd support is like that man Peggy on the credit card commercials :/ [05:06] well.. fglrx-updates *should* contain the latest driver.. within a week of its release [05:06] snadge: well it contains 11.11 LD [05:06] :D [05:06] its taken ages for broadcom to give decent support too [05:06] but it doesnt.. fglrx-updates seems to be like one version newer.. and still old [05:06] glad that got sorted [05:07] ActionParsnip: in fact, i found it strange that AMD sponsored some of gimp technologies :) [05:07] ActionParsnip, yeah, I noticed broadcom was less headache infatuated as of recent. [05:07] ActionParsnip, did they open soruce their driver? [05:07] glosoli, wow, really? [05:07] yeah, used to be an always ndiswrapper thing [05:07] For all of the -1's AMD has racked up, finally, there's a +1 [05:07] Roasted: "MD SPONSORS FURTHER WORK ON OPENCL SUPPORT IN GEGL2011-11-28 " [05:07] at least amd allow you to build precise packages, from the installer.. afaik, proprietary nvidia download doesnt build .debs [05:08] AMD ain't that bad, trolls are more bad. [05:08] theres just bugs in fglrx that annoy me.. like the window title bug [05:08] http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nvidia-joins-Linux-Foundation-is-there-hope-for-driver-development_id27845 [05:08] and the minecraft crashes on exit bug [05:08] or the, hey your entire video performance sucks, bug [05:08] well it doesn't for me :) [05:08] video is actually pretty good [05:09] snadge, beg to differ. [05:09] doesn't for snage [05:09] just went through hell with them last week. [05:09] Roasted: run glxgearsa [05:09] Roasted: run glxgears [05:09] too late [05:09] and paste output of somewhere [05:09] :) [05:09] already got a working system with nvidia [05:09] OH BURN [05:09] Roasted: Nvidia has glx gears [05:09] alright I'm done being a prick. :P [05:09] :))))))) [05:09] i have a htpc which uses fglrx.. and xvba [05:09] I'm too tired to give a damn about gfx card vs gfx card anymore [05:09] it wasnt that difficult to set up [05:09] Roasted: so stop trolling then [05:09] snadge, nor was my nvidia setup. I just clicked install. [05:09] glosoli, you're trolling too. [05:10] Roasted: I am giving arguments, as I SAID IT WORKS FROM NOW. [05:10] DIDIN"T SAID IT WORKED BEFORE [05:10] theres a ppa for the xbmc-xvba fork.. so thats an apt-get install [05:10] omg caps [05:10] Roasted: caps for you to see the parts which you didin't see [05:10] but yeah.. its annoying waiting for bugs to get fixed.. and they never do [05:10] I saw it [05:11] snadge: well it will be anoying as long as people report only to launchpad :) [05:11] snadge: I just use vlc + remote management then control with my phone [05:11] snadge: there is ati irc, and there are people who report directly to ATI :) [05:11] :) [05:11] :) :) :) [05:11] :) :) [05:12] troll :) [05:12] :) [05:12] I'm not a troll. I'm just REALLY happy. :) :) [05:12] i want some of those drugs hehe [05:12] I'm high on life brah [05:12] SO [05:12] to change the subject rather drastically [05:13] so I'm engagement ring shopping... came home and tried to find a place to hide the ring magazines I got at the jewelry shop today so my gf didn't see... [05:13] found a 1980's stash of pr0n in the basement ceiling [05:13] Discussion and support for Precise Pangolin < [05:13] we've only been in this house for about 6 weeks... evidently the old man we bought it from didn't notice [05:13] Roasted: do you see the topic ? [05:13] HEY WHY DONT YOU GO POST ON AN ATI FORUM [05:14] :) :) [05:14] fglrx is in the discusion of precise [05:14] ati. forum. :) [05:14] because ATI no longer exists.. they were bought out by AMD years ago ;) [05:14] :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) [05:14] Roasted: why don't you get lost with you trolling ? [05:14] :) [05:20] bedtime. farewell friends. [05:20] glosoli, <3 [05:21] :) :) [05:22] i just upgraded to precise and when i access a sftp node with gvfs the POSIX mount in ~/.gvfs doesnt show up anymore [05:36] can i build this without rebuilding the kernel http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2012-February/019283.html ? === mikester01 is now known as mikester01|AFK [07:37] hmm.. how do i figure out why i cant install the amsn package? [07:37] i stupidly did a dist-upgrade without looking and it was removed.. now it just says its no longer available [07:40] oh it was deleted [07:41] thats nice [07:42] snadge, did you get it back? [07:44] well.. its been deleted from debian and hence ubuntu.. because apparently it hasn't been maintained in 5 years [07:45] skype was removed also.. im trying to figure out why [07:45] its i386 only.. and a bunch of i386 multilib stuff got removed [07:46] snadge, I have skype on i386 here not sure about 64 [07:47] snadge, you can download and install skype for linux here http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/ [07:54] snadge: don;t upgrade :) [07:54] snadge: don't [07:56] too late [07:56] so now im trying to reinstall the 386 multiarch crap so that i can get skype to work again [07:57] skype should just release a proper 64bit version.. assholes [07:57] its the only thing on this system that requires all that crap [07:57] snadge: Well you just wait for updates [07:58] snadge: after new updates they will fix dependencies, you install them and you will be able to install ia32-libs-multiarch [07:58] it will take half a day probably more or less [07:58] Happened for me once ;D [07:58] Now I always read what it says ;D [07:59] yeah.. i think im just going to give up on linux [07:59] and computing in general.. find something else to do [07:59] snadge: felt this way so many times [07:59] :D [08:00] this is why we call it beta testing, [08:00] ive been beta testing linux for over a decade [08:00] dr_willis: I understand it, but me took a while for me to get that, that's my fault for switching from oneiric ;D [08:00] same for windows. [08:00] the reason i switched from oneiric.. was because its crap, and full of bugs ;) [08:01] i thought.. precise couldn't possibly be any worse.. surely [08:01] *cough* .. hehe [08:01] snadge: what's wrong in precise ? :D [08:01] nothing really.. i just like to complain.. just the usual suspects really [08:01] 12,04 has very few issues fir me so far [08:01] fglrx.. minecraft exception on exit.. poor performance [08:02] if i had an nvidia card like the rest of the known universe.. i probably would have a fraction of the issues that i do [08:02] dr_willis: for me the only thing I hate is Max Min Close buttons not on the right place when windows maximized :)) and global menu hidden... [08:02] minecraft and poor performance... seem to be common to minecraft :-) [08:02] well.. it used to work okay on oneiric [08:03] it has definitely regressed in precise [08:03] minecraft should be part of the testing suite ;) [08:03] glosoli: i saw some spplet to move them to the right hand side the other day [08:03] snadge: well you can't blame release until it's stable or can you ? [08:03] if i was a betting man.. i'd put money on minecraft not being fixed by the time precise goes final [08:03] dr_willis: It willl look ugly anyway, either it should be withhin windows, or either dodge should be back :) [08:04] I am very strict at design [08:04] no one is strict at design [08:04] I am [08:04] .toss out the old for latest fad is the mantra [08:04] ?? [08:05] seen gui design fads come and go then come back.. [08:05] im waiting for floppy disks to come back next [08:05] they never went out of style [08:06] if you have a commodore 64 anyway [08:06] i have several old pcs [08:06] although a friend of mine hooked up an audio cd player to the tape adaptor of a c64.. and recorded games as audio tracks [08:06] ;) c64 geos.. the next gnome incarnation [08:06] so he could burn the old tapes to audio cd format [08:07] dr_willis: well, Unity Design team was discussng that max min close button problem for sure in mailing list :) even got mailed accidently and getting asked how it should be solved [08:07] the min max close is underneath the launcher if autohide is not enabled? [08:07] (im just guessing at the problem, haven't seen it) [08:07] havent really oticed a problem [08:08]