[00:07] hey there all [00:19] hi bitsbam_, what you need? :) [00:21] i was needing some tips on mysql performance, i have indexes, etc.. but i am not using much RAM like i would like [00:22] i have 16 GB RAM and i am only using a bit less thank a gig === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [01:28] New bug: #250354 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "MySQL doesn't accept non-real dates on stored procedure calls" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250354 [03:38] i am having trouble getting X to start [03:38] here is the output of startx http://pastebin.us/?show=d4464addf [03:38] try #ubuntu :) [03:38] they told me to try here [03:39] i'm running ubuntu server 8.04 [03:39] dbbolton, doesnt sound like a server problem to me. [03:40] so this channel is for problems relating to server stuff, not just problems that arise on ubuntu server? [03:43] Xorg isnt a server thing. its a desktop thing. IMNSHO of coure. [03:43] * azteech1 agrees with kamping_Kiser [03:45] i think the people in #ubuntu just sent me here because they have no idea why it isn't working [03:46] x has failed on arch, debian lenny, and now ubuntu server. oddly enough it worked fine on debian etch though. [03:47] dbbolton: there could be any number of things which could cause Xorg to not function right - best place to start is on the Ubuntuforums.org web site .... do a search for Xorg there and go from there [03:49] also, you can post your problem there, and be patient. Someone shall respond with either questions, or additional input [03:50] azteech1 well i really don't want to ask in this channel if the question isn't relevant [03:51] thanks anyway === mdz_ is now known as mdz [09:37] hi guys [09:37] ist der any possibility to run jdk1.6 at a V100 with 8.04? [09:38] (8.04 still run at the v100, but theres no jdk avaiable) [09:40] <_ruben> DMsG_: its in the multiverse repo [09:45] _ruben, i become the message "Package openjdk-6-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package. [09:45] This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [09:45] is only available from another source [09:45] " [09:55] and mulitverse is enabled [09:55] New bug: #250459 in net-snmp (main) "Example in snmpcmd man page shows wrong parameter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250459 [09:56] <_ruben> DMsG_: i was looking at the sun one [09:58] fuck - it seems that there ist no jdk for sparc available. Now i habe a big problem ;) [09:59] <_ruben> download from sun.com? [10:00] It issent available at sun.com [10:00] it doesnt't exsit i think [10:02] lol wut [10:02] sun not supporting java on sparc? lol [10:03] moin [10:03] Deeps, jdk @ linux @ sparc [10:03] oh, linux sparc [10:03] i see [10:03] still thats pretty piss poor [10:03] although most sparc users will be using solaris i guess [10:04] yes sure [10:04] but we have the 2 old v100 for a testing enviroment. So i decided to use linux. Its no productive thing [10:06] fair enough [10:32] New bug: #250465 in openldap2.3 (main) "CVE-2008-2952: BER Decoding Remote DoS Vulnerability" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250465 [11:42] Idea: Hook up the huge Ubuntu bzr-repository (when all those 16 000 projects are imported) to the EU-sponsored project SQO-OSS (Software Quality Observatory for Open Source Software) http://www.sqo-oss.org/xwiki/bin/view/About/Screenshots [11:54] hi everyone ... I am looking to find an little bit more up to date version of dovecot. according to bug report #189616, there was version 1.0.13 copied to hardy-updates ... I can not seem to find it though. Did I overlook something? [11:54] i don't belive it's in updates [11:54] maybe in -backports [11:55] but... there's nowhere to backport from :D [11:55] bug 189616 [11:55] Launchpad bug 189616 in dovecot "[SRU] connection problems under load with hardy dovecot" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189616 [11:55] ivoks: have backports enabled aswell [11:57] 1.0.13 was uploaded to intrepid [11:59] and according to Martin Pitts post to hardy-updates [12:02] no, not 1.0.13 [12:02] but a patch for 1.0.10 [12:02] ahh ... see that is what I missed ;-) [12:02] actually, this isn't a bug in 1.0.10 [12:03] it's just a note in syslog that user has reached it's limit and should adopt configuration [12:03] that's: [12:03] 1.0.10-1ubuntu5.1 [12:03] would security fixes as those addressed by 1.0.13 get put in backports by any chance? as 1.0.10 seems really old fo me ... [12:04] since it is universe, I guess not [12:04] universe? dovecot? [12:04] no? where do I have my head today [12:04] we backport security fixes from newer versions [12:05] k [12:50] morning [12:51] zul: i attached a diff that fixes a 'postgres' problem in bacula, in -proposed [12:51] i also have two pathces, one for apache and one for dovecot, if you would like to review them (part of sslv2 migration) [12:51] ivoks: cool Ill take a look today [13:13] I'm having a problem with different services repeatedly crashing on my updated Hardy Heron server - services including ssh, imap and samba. The processes are then defunct, which stinks because I can't remotely reboot the server (processes will never die on shutdown -r). I filed a bug against the kernel a few weeks ago, but I think this isn't correct, as I have received _no_ response. Any ideas? (the bug report is here: https://bugs.launchp [13:15] you got cut off [13:16] I filed a bug against the kernel a few weeks ago, but I think this isn't correct, as I have received _no_ response. Any ideas? (the bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/242804) [13:16] Launchpad bug 242804 in linux "Ubuntu Server x64 Kernel Oops - Random services tainted" [Undecided,New] [13:17] you didn't report the bug against the kernel [13:17] that's why it didn't got attention [13:19] Should I file against Ubuntu kernel or upstream? [13:20] i've changed it [13:20] oh, sorry, you reported it correctly [13:23] how much RAM do you have? [13:23] The bummer is it's been almost a full month since original reporting. I can only assume that this is something specific to my setup, otherwise I think I would have seen others' contributions to the bug. [13:24] there's one constant thing in your attachments [13:24] and that's zlib [13:25] *Nod* I noticed that too. [13:25] wild gues [13:25] There is a low-level hook that uses zlib: ipsec [13:25] apt-get --reinstall install zlib1g [13:27] happy monday all [13:27] I could take compression out of the ipsec configuration and see if that helps. [13:27] sommer: hi [13:27] Blinny: try that [13:28] ivoks: I did the reinstall of zlib. [13:33] Blinny: you should reboot after reinstallation of zlib [13:34] ivoks: Will it hurt to wait until tomorrow? I have users already online - this is an LTSP server. [13:35] well, almost all of services depend on zlib [13:35] if you change it, it might produce problems to services [13:35] it won't kill you if you wait for tomorrow :) [13:35] Thanks ivoks [13:36] Googling around I also found this: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0802.2/2935.html -- related to zlib deflate & ipsec w/ kernel Oopses [13:37] ivoks: Ok. Tough to the users. I will reboot anyway. [13:37] BRB. [13:37] it might not solve your problem [13:39] well, almost 3PM; time to move to the beach... [14:07] Why would one of my ethernet cards not come back on a reboot? [14:07] eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device [14:08] lamont: You probably know this... I want to autogenerate parts of a dhcp3-server's configuration. I can't seem to find neither a conf.d sort of thing, nor an "include" directive. Is there a way to do this already, or should I be writing a patch to support one of those things? [14:08] Blinny: Hardware failure? [14:08] soren: but was just fine before reboot [14:08] Hrm. [14:09] Physical or virtual hardware? [14:09] Physical [14:09] BRB. Going to server room. [14:09] Fun. [14:09] Dunno then. Do you mysteriously have a new eth that you didn't before? [14:09] rude [14:11] lamont: Err.. The *real* problem seems to be my lack of ability to read. Forget that I asked. Please. [14:11] soren: heh [14:12] and yeah, "include" :-) [14:12] Come on, I said "please" and everything! :) [14:21] New bug: #231199 in openvpn (universe) "revoke-full fails" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/231199 [14:27] eth0 came back on a reboot. W-e-r-d weird. [14:36] is the apache2-ssl-certificate bug going to be fixed? [14:37] Which bug is that? [14:37] the one where its missing [14:41] fwest: This can go two ways: You either be more specific and tell me what the problem is (preferably referring to a bug on launchpad) so that I might actually help you or you don't and I won't. [14:42] i pick the latter [14:42] fwest: Don't mess with the soren [14:45] It really is hard to be helpful when approached with that kind of attitude. [14:46] fwest: Look, Apache and SSL works great for loads of people. I can't (and won't try to) guess what your problem is, if you're not going to be helpful yourself. [14:46] lol, having a bad day? [14:47] I wasn't until about 10 minutes ago. [14:47] I need help with the bug that is messing up my desktop, what's the problem? [14:47] You're using a desktop. [14:47] i can generate a cert, but i just found it easier to use the tool [14:48] Oh, "the tool". [14:48] mathiaz: ping ill merge the samba-3.2 this afternoon [14:48] zul: great [14:48] lukehasnoname: chances are you're not using xp on your desktop, which is your first problem ;) [14:48] fwest: The issue has been fixed in intrepid [14:49] fwest: apache2 in intrepid should come with a default ssl configuration [14:49] i guess not going to be updated into hardy? [14:49] fwest: at least the problem was fixed in debian - we just have to merge it [14:49] ah [14:49] fwest: no [14:50] so much for LTS i guess [14:50] fwest: Dude.. [14:50] fwest: What do you think "LTS" means? [14:51] well, not that same thing it means here [14:51] to be fair, he might have a point [14:52] but then it does largely depend on what the definition of "support" is [14:52] he might. With the verbosity he's exhibiting, it's hard to tell. [14:54] do server edition of ubuntu has physical volume for RAID option? [14:56] fwest: I can tell you this much: One thing LTS does *not* mean is that we'll break people's working setups to make unhelpful irc users life easier. [15:03] New bug: #226185 in openvpn (universe) "update-resolv-conf script does not restore old values" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226185 [15:03] so the missing tool will break people's setup? [15:05] fwest: I wouldn't know. You *still* haven't told me what "the tool" is. [15:05] * Deeps gives soren a hug [15:05] [14:36] is the apache2-ssl-certificate bug going to be fixed? [15:06] 13:37:12 < soren> Which bug is that? [15:06] its missing [15:06] 13:41:34 < soren> fwest: This can go two ways: You either be more specific and tell me what the problem is (preferably referring to a bug on launchpad) so that I might actually help you or you don't and I won't. [15:06] fwest: i think you need to explain what the package is and what the bug is [15:06] 13:46:26 < soren> fwest: Look, Apache and SSL works great for loads of people. I can't (and won't try to) guess what your problem is, if you're not going to be helpful yourself. [15:06] [14:37] the one where its missing [15:06] and not just expect soren to know what it is [15:06] due to the hundreds of thousands of packages and bugs, not everyones an expert in every single field [15:07] !info apache2-ssl-certificate [15:07] ok let me rephrase, apache2-ssl-certificate is missing [15:07] Package apache2-ssl-certificate does not exist in hardy [15:07] its no a package [15:07] what is it, what does it do, why should anyone care? [15:07] and link to the launchpad bug would be very useful [15:07] generates ssl certs [15:07] And what do you think ssl-cert does? [15:08] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/77675 [15:08] Launchpad bug 77675 in apache2 "[regression] apache2-ssl-certificate has gone missing since feisty" [Wishlist,Fix released] [15:08] fwest: Have you read the comments on that bug? [15:08] Or just the title? [15:08] and i wondered if it would be in hardy [15:08] but i guess not [15:10] Fine. Forget it. [15:10] haha, i see you're in that bug [15:13] i was gonna ask what the rationale is to keep ssl-cert out, and then i just saw "* Disable ssl-cert until it sucks less. related to 230791" [15:14] but then if the issue regarding all of this has been fixed for intrepid, why not backport the relevant changes to hardy too? [15:18] From what I can see, what has changed in Intrepid is the addition of an SSL VirtualHost by default. [15:19] Making such changes in a stable release is very, *very* hard to do in a way that will not interfere with existing setups. [15:20] fair enough [15:20] Note that "existing setups" is not just existing installations of Hardy, but also automated scripts that install a fresh Hardy system and then runs some stuff to set the system up according to the site's policies. [15:21] If 000-default suddenly defines a *:443 virtualhost, the SSL virtualhost that people used to have in 001-local.conf (or whatever) will suddenly no longer work. [15:22] yep [15:22] So please spare me the "so much for LTS" crap. [15:22] so much for LTS [15:22] I'm not spearing Deeps [15:22] *sparing [15:22] This is what LTS is all about: If I have something that works, it will *keep* *working*. [15:31] you are entirely right, i found the web site definition of LTS [15:31] just security updates [15:32] * soren wonders where it says that [15:32] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu [15:32] its in bold [15:32] Hi all, one of our Ubuntu servers stopped reponding to networking for a while this morning. One of the guys touched the keyboard and it started to respond. Something like a screen-saver effect although there is no such thing installed (not even a GUI). Any one else seen this? [15:33] CrummyGummy: Was the computer asleep? [15:33] * soren sighs [15:33] haha [15:33] fwest: Where exactly does it say "just"? [15:34] it doesn't say anything else [15:34] fwest: Or "only" or any other synomyn thereof. [15:34] lukehasnoname: seemed to be.... Not by planning though. [15:34] Is should always be up. [15:34] CrummyGummy: I've seen it happen in a virtual machine, but not on real hardware. [15:34] Anything of interest in dmesg? [15:36] fwest: You'll have to forgive our evident inability to convey *every* *single* characteristic of Ubuntu in 7 short paragraphs. [15:36] CrummyGummy, what hardware are you on? the system at the hardware level may have switched off your nic... [15:36] soren: well I am just trying to understand what to expect [15:37] fwest: I recommend looking stuff up (and reading what it says) and then asking, if stuff is still unclear. [15:38] so where is the complete definition of what LTS means [15:38] <_ruben> strange . fresh install of ubuntu server 7.10 x86_64 .. machine has 6GB ram, yet `free` only shows me 4 .. [15:38] Hi, is JeOS recommended if I -don't- want to distribute virtual appliances? Just run my own VMs. Like win and/or Linux flavors on vmware server. [15:38] Some sort of generic AMD server. I think its a MSI board. [15:38] fwest: Not just security updates, but focused on that [15:38] bug updates, as well [15:38] I haven't seen this sort of thing before upgrading to Hardy. [15:39] fwest: No such definition exists, as far as I know. [15:39] Thats why I was wondering if there might be something new ther. [15:39] fwest: Other than: [15:39] fwest: but major revisions and new features are not arbitrarily added [15:39] It will be supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server. [15:39] lukehasnoname: what about missing one, tools that were there [15:39] :s [15:40] its not clear what supported means, [15:40] CrummyGummy, i've never encoutered such a thing and i've been using hardy server since release (in a situation where it would sit for days) look at your hardware if this problem presists [15:40] fwest: No. And it can't be. [15:40] *there* [15:40] CrummyGummy: Anything of interest in dmesg? [15:40] fwest: I'll tell you this much: [15:41] Changes in hardy are *not* going to happen if the people with problems refuse to explain what their problem is. [15:41] soren: well as it didn't take long to establish a tool was missing [15:42] And no, your problem is *not* that some random utility is missing. Your problem *might* be that you now don't know how to do something, because tools have changed. [15:42] But I don't know. Because you don't tell me. [15:42] See how it works? [15:43] i think i did, as a conversation directly related to the missing tool [15:43] Them I'm clearly the stupid one. [15:44] I also happen to be one of the people who could fix it. [15:44] well to answer my question, the answer is probably not [15:44] ..but seeing as I'm stupid and don't understand your problem and you refuse to help, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for things to change. [15:45] I've read about a particular bug in the linux kernel mailing list. It was reported and spoke of being pushed to 2.6.24-stable in March. I'm still seeing the result of this bug, even though I'm on an updated 8.04 2.6.24.19.21 linux-image-generic -- How can I check to be sure that the actual March kernel bug fix is in Ubuntu's current linux-image-generic short of downloading the source? [15:47] Blinny: The kernel's changelog lists the upstream changes that were imported. [15:48] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-meta_2.6.24.19.21/changelog [15:48] Look for "Upstream changes" [15:48] soren: Bully. Thank you. [15:48] Blinny: Whoops, wrong link. [15:49] Blinny: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_2.6.24-19.36/changelog [15:49] There, that one. [15:50] Cheers. [15:50] Any time :) [15:50] <_ruben> [ 40.008864] Memory: 3993236k/6291456k available (2295k kernel code, 135080k reserved, 1238k data, 308k init) [15:50] <_ruben> hrmm [15:51] * _ruben starts looking for boot options to enable that other 2gig [15:51] fwest: If it wasn't obvious, my last remark to you was an implicit suggestion that you'd restate your question in terms that I might understand. [15:52] _ruben: Which kernel and architecture? [15:52] i386 and generic, perhaps? [15:52] <_ruben> x86_64 and -server [15:53] <_ruben> dual 1st gen opteron [15:53] soren: i thought we established that the missing tool from apache2 was not going to make it into hardy [15:55] We did. [15:55] 14:42:03 < soren> And no, your problem is *not* that some random utility is missing. Your problem *might* be that you now don't know how to do something, because tools have changed. [15:56] Try stating your *problem* rather than repeating the (wrong) solution to said problem. [15:57] i no longer have a problem [15:57] my expectation has been set [15:57] Cool. Glad I could help. [15:57] thank you [16:02] <_ruben> time to go home .. the hunt for the missing 2gb will continue tomorow :) [16:02] bios [16:02] <_ruben> bios shows 6GB when booting [16:02] memory hole is set? [16:02] _ruben: Hardy? [16:03] <_ruben> soren: gutsy [16:03] Oh. [16:03] <_ruben> dont think there's a vmware-server package for hardy yet [16:03] <_ruben> untill i roll my own, i'll just gutsy [16:03] <_ruben> might give hardy a shot to see if it does see the 6gg [16:04] _ruben: 3993236k/6291456k available looks like 6 gigs to me [16:04] <_ruben> Blinny: the 2nd number does, yet the 1st number is what's actually being available [16:04] <_ruben> hence `free` shows 4gigs of ram [16:04] _ruben: I'd ask in #ubuntu-kernel. [16:05] <_ruben> soren: i'll probably do so, tomorrow .. thanks anyways :) [16:05] _ruben: Note that the kernel team is mostly US based, so this is probably a good time to catch their attention. [16:05] <_ruben> ah [16:05] * _ruben takes a quick peek [16:05] _ruben: Tomorrow morning (European time) not so much.. [16:41] New bug: #250549 in net-snmp (main) "Wrong interface speed from snmpd running as snmp user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250549 [17:17] Just a heads up. I was in here a couple of days ago complaining about my fast system clock.. Turns out I was auto-over clocking via my bios.. I know, I know, I'm a tard.. at any rate, all better. Turned it off. [17:17] all is well. [17:19] Hello, is someone aware of http://www.policyd.org/v2/ packages? [17:19] postfix-policyd* stuff is the 1.* branch [17:33] * delcoyote hi [18:10] mathiaz: samba-3.2 uploaded [18:50] Can I ask a CUPS question on this channel? Because the ##cups channel is somewhat worthless. [19:02] <_ruben> duiu: dont ask to ask, such 'questions' are often ignored .. whether or not the actual question is appropriate here depends on the actual question anyways [19:05] OK, I"m trying to remotely configure CUPS via the web admin from another computer on the local network. Everything works until I get to the screen where I have to authenticate, upon which I enter in the password for a user that's a member of lpadmin group, and then I get an error (Though the site seems valid, the browser was unable to establish a connection.) in my browser and then I have to... [19:05] ...reload the default config file, restart cups, change the file to the modified for my network version, restart cups, and try again [19:05] Is there something I have to do to get CUPS authentication to work? [19:15] Screw it, I just disable authentication and it worked [19:15] *disabled [19:30] hello [19:31] hey ivoks [19:31] does anyone think we should disable sslv2 even on upgrades? [19:32] (i do) [19:32] otherwise i'll quite and move to redhat :D [19:32] quit even :D [19:34] seriously? [19:34] i know you would like that :) [19:35] heck no... wouldn't wish redhat on anyone, hah [19:35] no, seriously... it's very hard to package that change [19:35] with apache it's easy, with dovecot, it's easy [19:35] but with vsftpd... not [19:35] i can't just change conffile from postinst [19:36] next upgrade would pop the question for a user [19:36] I don't have strong feelings either way, but seem like sslv3 is the way to go [19:37] so for vsftpd if v2 isn't there will it automagically use v3 >? [19:38] that's default for all sane applications [19:38] that's what I was thinking [19:38] firefox doesn't even try with v2 [19:39] same goes for IE and opera [19:39] if server provides sslv3 and tls, client will connect over it [19:39] there might be some old clients (pre-2000.) which don't support sslv3 or tls [19:40] but.. even netscape4 supports tls and sslv3 [19:40] heh, that's pretty far back [19:41] does redhat disable sslv2? [19:41] just out of curiosity [19:41] i don't know, but it doesn't have debian packaging guidelines :D [19:41] ivoks, you can force certain ciphers w/ vsftpd [19:42] mindframe-: the issue is packaging [19:42] if we agree to disable sslv2 on upgrade, then everything is fine [19:43] zul: new intrepid server will be use /var/www or /srv/www ? [19:43] but, if we decide to keep sslv2 on upgrade and disable it only on new installations, then we have a packaging problem [19:43] emgent: hmm? [19:43] /var/www [19:44] nice! [19:44] still [19:44] zul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyGuiApacheSetup [19:44] emgent: this is a workstation/desktop tool, right? [19:44] emgent: you might want to bring that up in the server meeting tomorrow [19:45] ok nice. [19:47] zul: i'm not available for server meeting, but Tacone (other rapache devel) can join. [19:47] emgent: sure please add it to the agenda in the wiki [19:47] sure. [19:55] ivoks: yeah now. [19:55] ivoks: http://en.emanuele-gentili.com/index.php/2008/07/17/rapache-05-is-out-go-to-test-it/ [19:56] i noticed it, but i'm a cli guy :) [19:57] :) [19:58] a2ensite is top of the automatization for me :D === chuck_ is now known as zul [20:52] nijaba: check this out - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImproveSSLCert [20:52] nijaba: that's what I tought about during lunch [21:02] mathiaz: just for curiosity .. is it possible yet to use different ssl certs on a webserver on the same IP ? [21:03] so to say multiple vhosts with each its own ssl cert .. didn't know thats possible yet [21:03] phaidros: well - not really - support for SNI is not enabled in apache2 as of now [21:03] mathiaz: do you have hint what SNI is? [21:04] (just didn't follow this issue quite a while) [21:04] phaidros: that's support for multiple ssl cert over one IP [21:04] mathiaz: kewl, just reading about it .. sounds good :) [21:05] hi mathiaz [21:05] lets see if its avail for lighty ! === macd_ is now known as macd === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [21:46] mathiaz: so it seems SNI is already available in lighty, so your ImproveSSLCert draft might consider handling lighttpd as well :) [23:27] mathiaz: ping [23:28] heya kirkland [23:28] emgent: howdy dude [23:29] kirkland: ahhhh - you scared me [23:29] mathiaz: ? how so? [23:30] kirkland: you're ping... is scary ;) [23:30] kirkland: *your* [23:30] kirkland: anyway - what's up ? [23:30] mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions [23:30] mathiaz: I added to the bottom of that page a list of init scripts [23:31] mathiaz: those come from installing the Intrepid Ubuntu Server, Desktop, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu, and grepping through /etc/init.d for scripts that lack "status)" [23:31] mathiaz: it needs a bit of vetting, but that gives us a decent list of the most commonly seen init scripts [23:31] kirkland: right - this list has to be reviewed and trimmed down [23:32] mathiaz: absolutely [23:32] kirkland: I can see udev in there, and it should be be [23:32] mathiaz: right [23:32] kirkland: *shouldn't* [23:32] mathiaz: I thought you might help me trim it? [23:32] mathiaz: there are a few I will be adding (squid comes to mind, as i found it dead on my server at home sometime last week) [23:33] kirkland: I'd first filter the list by daemons [23:33] kirkland: if there's a daemon, put it on the list [23:33] mathiaz: okay, i'll try to clean it up some before tomorrow's meeting [23:34] kirkland: if there isn't a daemon running, your status_of_proc doesn't really help [23:34] mathiaz: "supposed to be running" ;-) [23:34] kirkland: getting a status may require some package specific code [23:34] kirkland: seems great - so that we can review it during the meeting tomorrow [23:35] mathiaz: okay, cool [23:35] mathiaz: thanks, back to your less-frightening work ;-) [23:36] kirkland: I'm reviewing a new package: libapache-mod-passenger (modrails) - it's not that scary [23:41] Greetings.. [23:41] What is the best (quickest) ftp server to install. [23:42] I just need an anonymous ftp server on my network. [23:44] Greetings [23:48] pschulz01: vsftpd [23:52] Ta.. I tried ftpd, but it didn;t 'just work'. [23:54] mathiaz: Excellent.. that's just want i like to see :-).. and apt-get install.. It's alive :-)