[14:55] LjL: can we have ubotu in -se please? want to trial and see if it helps getting things back to Ubuntu. [14:56] Nafallo: yeah, but it doesn't speak swedish [14:56] LjL: fine for a trial certainly :-) [14:57] Nafallo: -se is straying lately? [14:58] yes [14:58] everything from unlocking nokias to everyone talking about arch linux all the time :-/ [14:58] you don't have many ops for a 120 people channel either [14:59] no :-) [14:59] and we have no rules at all in place. [15:00] well then it's amazing that it hasn't gone nuts much earlier than this :P [15:00] although well, you're swedes... ;P [15:00] the channel have been where it should by itself, but in the last few... :-/ [15:00] it's not that people don't get help... [15:00] any noticeable increase in number of users lately? [15:01] I'm just scared new users will be put off by a channel talking about other distributions all the time. [15:01] naah, that have been pretty stable for the last few years. [15:02] well you need to choose which route to go... [15:02] if you don't want them to talk about other distributions, you need an offtopic channel [15:02] otherwise, if you want to allow offtopic talk, then you have to let them talk about other distributions :) [15:03] if people's support questions are not getting lost in a whole backscroll of offtopic talk, you're already lucky, anyway [15:04] Nafallo: perhaps put "If you have a support question about Ubuntu, feel free to ask" or something at the start of the topic, so it's clear to who joins [and reads the topic, i.e. nobody] what the primary purpose of the channel is [15:04] well. I don't want to forbid anything. but I don't want to scare off users either. [15:05] new users that is [15:06] if I where new and came into a channel with people comparing os x, y and z with distro a, b and Ubuntu I would not ask my question and would instead be put off. [15:06] s/where/was/ [15:08] Nafallo, well, there are drawbacks to each approach (support-only vs anytopic), i don't really see a way to only have the advantages of both... although anyway, i don't think most people would be put off by seeing such discussions per se [15:08] people are put off when they ask their questions and perceive it as being ignored [15:08] on #ubuntu, questions get ignored often enough, but then it's clear it's support-only, while if you allow any topic, one ends up thinking that "nobody cares" about giving support [15:09] hmm. yea. that might be it... [15:09] but if support questions *are* usually answered reasonably readily, i don't think there is really a problem [15:09] I just get so annoyed when I came back yet again and just saw discussions about arch linux... [15:09] answered - or at least feedback given to, even just "can you elaborate more" [15:09] can't they get their own channel or something? :-/ [15:10] also this guy asking over and over and over an... etc about how to unlock Nokia phones. [15:10] for crying out load... [15:10] loud even [15:10] Nafallo: they do, #archlinux.se [15:11] then they have two ;-) [15:12] Nafallo, have you suggested just joining the right channel (assuming there is any, not sure #nokia would take unlocking questions)? no need to actually state "you are offtopic and can't talk about this in this channel" (especially if you don't *want* that to be the policy) [15:12] but more often than not, just saying "have you tried asking in #blah?" works in #ubuntu without a need to mention offtopicness [15:14] LjL: yea. just annoying user adding the last drop to the wheel I guess ;-) [15:15] anyway. I've been talking it through with amelia that might have added to the situation a bit in private as well :-) [15:16] I think we will go back to any topic, and I urged her to move support to the correct channels :-) [15:20] actually, she might be op soon ;-) [15:20] I've raised the issue with the others :-) [15:35] LjL: hmm. maybe ubuntu bugs added as well? that might get people to file more bugs I'm thinking :-) [15:37] @config channel #ubuntu-se plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True [15:37] @config channel #ubuntu-se plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True [15:37] OK [15:38] LjL, you can do that too :) [15:38] Seveas: doesn't it require #channel,op cap? [15:38] Seveas: cheers mate :-) [15:38] @config channel #ubuntu-se plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True [15:38] LjL, or superuser, which you should have [15:38] [16:38:34] Error: You don't have the #ubuntu-se,op capability. [15:38] hmm [15:39] Seveas: supybot is weird... "admin" lets me join it channels and part them, but not actually change any channel settings [15:39] LjL, did you make it join more channels recently? [15:39] supybot's permissions scheme sucks, in other words :) [15:39] it does :) [15:40] Seveas: i joined it to one -us channel on request i think, let me check logs (it'd help if you had memoserv unlocked by the way... >:) [15:41] I always for get to read memos :) [15:41] that's why I disabled it [15:41] Seveas: yes i joined it to #ubuntu-us-nm on tritium's request [15:41] k [16:35] ompaul: like in, nothing for other ubuntu-channels ;-) [16:36] Nafallo, ;-) [20:51] LjL, ping [20:59] juliux: pong [20:59] allready fixed sorry for the ping