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| [07:31] <nisshh> godbyk: ping | |
| [07:32] <godbyk> nigelb: pong | |
| [07:32] <nisshh> ??? | |
| [07:32] <godbyk> nisshh: err.. pong | |
| [07:32] <godbyk> nigelb: sorry. IGNORE ME! :) | |
| [07:32] <nisshh> lol | |
| [07:32] * godbyk damns xchat's nick-completion. | |
| [07:33] <nisshh> haha | |
| [07:33] <godbyk> Usually 'ni' is enough to get 'nisshh', but not today. :) | |
| [07:33] <nisshh> godbyk: i just noticed that the multicol command, when used, has a fixed verticle height | |
| [07:33] <nisshh> hehe | |
| [07:34] <nisshh> is there a way of changing it? | |
| [07:35] <godbyk> It's not a fixed vertical height -- it just balances the columns so they're all the same height (or as close as is possible). | |
| [07:35] <nisshh> ah | |
| [07:35] <nisshh> that is seriously annoying | |
| [07:35] <nisshh> godbyk: is there a way of making it not do that? | |
| [07:37] <godbyk> Can you show me the output you have currently and explain what you'd like to see instead? | |
| [07:37] <godbyk> There are parameters you can adjust, but it depends on what you want. | |
| [07:37] <nisshh> ah | |
| [07:37] <nisshh> ok | |
| [07:37] <nisshh> screenshot? | |
| [07:37] <godbyk> that'll work | |
| [07:38] <nisshh> ok one sec | |
| [07:40] <nisshh> godbyk: http://imagebin.org/112490 | |
| [07:41] <nisshh> each column carries over to the next, which is not what i want | |
| [07:41] <nisshh> because of the "keep them the same height" rule | |
| [07:44] <godbyk> nisshh: Ah, I see what you're trying to do. | |
| [07:44] <godbyk> Okay, multicols probably isn't the best way to accomplish what you want, but I think it can be made to work. | |
| [07:44] <nisshh> right | |
| [07:44] <godbyk> first, use \begin{multicols*} instead of \begin{multicols}. | |
| [07:44] <godbyk> that'll tell it not to balance the columns. | |
| [07:44] <nisshh> ok | |
| [07:45] <godbyk> Next, use \columnbreak to start a new column. | |
| [07:45] <godbyk> See if that gives you the desired result. | |
| [07:45] <godbyk> If not, there are a couple other parameters we can toy with. | |
| [07:46] <nisshh> ok | |
| [07:46] <nisshh> godbyk: do i use \end{multicols*} as well? | |
| [07:46] <godbyk> yep | |
| [07:46] <godbyk> \begin and \end must always match. | |
| [07:46] <godbyk> Otherwise LaTeX will freak out on ya. | |
| [07:46] <nisshh> sure | |
| [07:51] <nisshh> godbyk: ok, that works pretty well, but now the code underneath the headings gets indented | |
| [07:52] <godbyk> The code underneath the headings? | |
| [07:52] <nisshh> like | |
| [07:52] <nisshh> Addition: | |
| [07:52] <nisshh> then | |
| [07:53] <nisshh> code here | |
| [07:53] <godbyk> Ah. | |
| [07:53] <godbyk> Do have a blank line between "Addition:" and \begin{terminal}? | |
| [07:53] <nisshh> no | |
| [07:54] <godbyk> is it only the first line that is indented? | |
| [07:55] <nisshh> no | |
| [07:55] <nisshh> whole lot | |
| [07:55] <nisshh> hang on, ill get another screenie | |
| [07:55] <godbyk> 'kay. | |
| [07:57] <nisshh> godbyk: http://imagebin.org/112491 | |
| [07:58] <godbyk> Okay, so the code below Addition *isn't* indented, but all th other code is. | |
| [07:58] <nisshh> yea | |
| [07:58] <godbyk> In the source code, is there any blank lines between Subtraction: and the \begin{terminal} lines? | |
| [07:58] <nisshh> no | |
| [07:59] <godbyk> interesting | |
| [07:59] <nisshh> the whole lot is there with no blank lines | |
| [07:59] <godbyk> try putting \noindent directly in front of the \begin{terminal} lines. see what effect that has (if any). | |
| [08:00] <nisshh> in front of? | |
| [08:00] <nisshh> you mean before or after? | |
| [08:00] <godbyk> before. | |
| [08:00] <nisshh> ok | |
| [08:00] <godbyk> Like: \noindent\begin{terminal} | |
| [08:01] <nisshh> ah ok | |
| [08:01] <godbyk> did that do anything? | |
| [08:03] <nisshh> hang on | |
| [08:03] <nisshh> godbyk: my computer is slow, takes a good 30-40 seconds to compile the manual | |
| [08:03] <godbyk> np | |
| [08:04] <nisshh> the noindent command does nothing | |
| [08:05] <nisshh> godbyk: ^^^ | |
| [08:06] <godbyk> okay | |
| [08:06] <godbyk> can you send me your .tex file? (Or point me to the repository?) | |
| [08:07] <godbyk> I'll take a look at it and try a few things. | |
| [08:07] <nisshh> ok, one sec ill push | |
| [08:07] <nisshh> right | |
| [08:07] <godbyk> If you're going to be using examples like this often, it might be good to have an examples environment (like \begin{examples}..) | |
| [08:08] <nisshh> godbyk: yea, that would be good | |
| [08:09] <nisshh> godbyk: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developer-manual/ubuntu-developer-manual/trunk | |
| [08:09] <nisshh> its all in there | |
| [08:10] <nisshh> the file with the code we were just working on is, python-crash-course/python-crash-course.tex | |
| [08:14] <godbyk> nisshh: Okay. Let me take a look. | |
| [08:15] <godbyk> nisshh: How's the manual coming along otherwise? | |
| [08:16] <nisshh> godbyk: not too bad, me and Rick are in the process of shortening this chapter, other than that i have to catch up with jenkins and the other authors and see where they are at | |
| [08:16] <nisshh> godbyk: i dont think we will get a maverick release out though, if we do, it will be so so close | |
| [08:17] <godbyk> right. | |
| [08:18] <godbyk> at this point, I'm wondering if the getting started guide will be released at the same time as maverick. :-) | |
| [08:18] <godbyk> I haven't seen much activity in bzr yet. | |
| [08:18] <nisshh> yea | |
| [08:18] <nisshh> godbyk: iv fixed all the outstanding bugs for maverick | |
| [08:19] <nisshh> sometime im going to go through and update some of the sections | |
| [08:19] <nisshh> someone has to do it soon right? | |
| [08:19] <nisshh> otherwise there is no hope with bens crazy schedule | |
| [08:22] <godbyk> definitely soon, I hope. | |
| [08:22] <godbyk> I know. | |
| [08:22] <godbyk> Okay, to fix your problem, put blank lines around the \columnbreak command. | |
| [08:22] <nisshh> ok | |
| [08:23] <godbyk> So it should be like: | |
| [08:23] <godbyk> \end{terminal} | |
| [08:23] <godbyk> | |
| [08:23] <godbyk> \columnbreak | |
| [08:23] <godbyk> | |
| [08:23] <nisshh> yep | |
| [08:23] <godbyk> Next heading: | |
| [08:23] <godbyk> \begin{terminal} | |
| [08:23] <godbyk> ... | |
| [08:24] <nisshh> yea | |
| [08:25] <godbyk> did that work? | |
| [08:26] <nisshh> godbyk: yep, did the trick | |
| [08:26] <godbyk> cool | |
| [08:28] <nisshh> godbyk: there are craploads of examples in that chapter alone, what were you saying about having its own environment? | |
| [08:51] <godbyk> nisshh: Well, if you're having to use some commands over and over again, it's handy to bundle them together with a new command. | |
| [08:52] <nisshh> godbyk: yea | |
| [09:56] <nisshh> jenkins: hey | |
| [09:58] <jenkins> hey nisshh | |
| [09:59] <nisshh> jenkins: would you be interested in giving a session at Ubuntu App Dev Week? | |
| [09:59] <nisshh> jenkins: i just added myself and then i thought of quickshot :) | |
| [10:00] <nisshh> you could do a showcase on quickshot | |
| [10:00] <jenkins> I don't think I have time atm I am afraid, I am usually at work in the day and I am unsure I have the knowledge | |
| [10:00] <jenkins> when is it? | |
| [10:00] <nisshh> end of this month | |
| [10:01] <jenkins> hmm, thanks for the thought but I don't think i can commit at the moment | |
| [10:01] <nisshh> sessions are between 1500 and 1900 UTC | |
| [10:01] <nisshh> hmm, thats too bad | |
| [10:01] <jenkins> I will keep it in mind | |
| [10:02] <nisshh> jenkins: cool | |
| [10:02] <jenkins> it just I have a commute every day and I get very worn out with work :( | |
| [10:03] <nisshh> fair enough | |
| [10:03] <nisshh> let me know if you change your mind | |
| [10:03] <jenkins> will do | |
| [10:03] <nisshh> :) | |
| [10:09] <jenkins> quickshot is on revison 300 | |
| [10:10] <nisshh> nice | |
| [15:23] <flan> nisshh, can you link to this App Dev Week thing? | |
| [15:23] <flan> I'm not sure I'm willing to participate, but it sounds interesting, from its title. | |
| [15:29] <nisshh> flan: hang on a sec | |
| [15:31] <nisshh> flan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek there | |
| [15:34] <flan> How do you plan to present Pytask? | |
| [15:35] <nisshh> flan: well, Pytask is my app that i developed, so i plan to show how i found quickly and quickly-widgets and how Pytask uses all these API's and such and just how easy it was to put together | |
| [15:36] * flan dislikes Quickly. | |
| [15:36] <nisshh> so sort of, here is my app, here is what i used, any questions? | |
| [15:36] <nisshh> that kind of thing | |
| [15:36] <flan> I kinda doubt Quickshot would work well for a crash-course-style introduction. Explaining the Pylons model would take quite a while. :( | |
| [15:36] <nisshh> flan: its still pretty new, but extremely easy to use | |
| [15:37] <flan> I mean I dislike it because I'm a control-freak. | |
| [15:37] <nisshh> ah ok | |
| [15:37] <flan> I admire what it's trying to do, in the same way that I admire Ubuntu for the role it plays in introducing people to a stable, friendly Linux-based environment. | |
| [15:37] <flan> -comma | |
| [15:38] <nisshh> yea | |
| [15:38] <flan> I'll always go back to doing things with Debian and tools I've picked myself in the end, however. | |
| [15:38] <nisshh> flan: yea, i mainly use quickly because it makes it easy to release and package stuff | |
| [15:39] <nisshh> other than that, it holds my app together, and for that its great | |
| [15:39] * flan feels that things like Quickly and IDEs form bad habits and introduce crutches that'll ultimately hold some people back. | |
| [15:39] <nisshh> flan: i use vim, not an IDE :) | |
| [15:39] <flan> Not all people, of course. Some wouldn't get very far without such things. | |
| [15:39] <nisshh> i hate IDE's | |
| [15:40] <nisshh> true | |
| [15:40] <flan> I've found myself using gedit more and more. | |
| [15:40] <nisshh> yea | |
| [15:40] <flan> I used to use Bluefish almost exclusively. | |
| [15:40] <nisshh> gedit is great | |
| [15:40] <flan> I'm a nono person, though. | |
| [15:40] <nisshh> nano? | |
| [15:40] <flan> I'm comfortable with vi/vim, but switching between the two modes still just doesn't feel natural to me. | |
| [15:40] <flan> Yes, nano. | |
| [15:41] <nisshh> flan: once you use it for long enough and watch a pro vim user use it, you will never want to use another editor ever again | |
| [15:41] <flan> If vi had a hold-ctrl-to-temporarily-engage-command-mode, with interactive mode being the default at all other times, I'd probably use it more. | |
| [15:41] <flan> Oh, I know how powerful it can be. | |
| [15:41] <nisshh> yea | |
| [15:41] <flan> It's just not compatible with the way I think. | |
| [15:42] <nisshh> i dont like emacs or nano very much | |
| [15:42] <nisshh> exactly | |
| [16:19] <daker> godbyk, ping | |
| [16:54] <flan> nisshh, do you see any value in, perhaps, having me prepare a session related to Quickshot (or something else I've built) over polishing it for release alongside the manual? | |
| [16:58] <flan> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs201.ash2/46435_978696008291_10004301_54742894_4873761_n.jpg | |
| [16:59] <nisshh> flan: yea, if it has anything to do with app development, or is an app like Pytask or quickshot, go for it | |
| [17:00] <flan> I meant, like, would it benefit others more than the cost to the project itself. | |
| [17:00] <nisshh> flan: although, im not going to present the session for you, you will have to do that | |
| [17:00] <flan> Aww... =P | |
| [17:00] <flan> Yeah, I know. | |
| [17:00] <nisshh> hehe | |
| [17:00] <nisshh> cost to the project itself? | |
| [17:00] <flan> I'm just not sure I can present effectively in a group setting. | |
| [17:01] <flan> Less time to document, refine, and polish it for release alongside the manual. | |
| [17:01] <nisshh> flan: your presenting to a bunch of dev noobs, they wont criticize you :) | |
| [17:02] <nisshh> flan: its a one hour session thats happening in just under 3 weeks, and it only happens once each cycle | |
| [17:02] <nisshh> its not going to cost the project mucyh time | |
| [17:02] <nisshh> shoudnt take you long to figure out the session content | |
| [17:02] <flan> I'd probably need jenkins with me... I have a tendency to be condescending, even though I don't often mean to act that way. :( | |
| [17:02] <nisshh> hehe | |
| [17:03] <nisshh> jenkins said he will be too busy | |
| [17:03] <nisshh> flan: if you prepare the session, id be happy to co-lead it with you | |
| [17:03] <nisshh> i just dont want to present it FOR you | |
| [17:06] <flan> jenkins seemed to imply he wouldn't be able to prepare for it. | |
| [17:06] <flan> I'll speak with him. | |
| [17:06] <flan> I don't mind putting together materials and a plan. | |
| [17:07] <flan> I'm just not sure I can lead a discussion if nobody's asking questions. | |
| [17:08] <nisshh> flan: bah!, youll be fine! :) | |
| [17:08] <nisshh> flan: its not a discussion, you teach them, and they ask questions if they want | |
| [17:08] <flan> That's what I'm afraid of. =P | |
| [17:08] <nisshh> why? | |
| [17:09] <flan> I'll look into tentatively taking one of the Friday slots. | |
| [17:09] <nisshh> fair enough | |
| [17:09] <flan> I work best when people are engaging me. | |
| [17:09] <nisshh> ah, ok | |
| [17:09] <nisshh> flan: whatever the case, it wont be as bad as you think :) | |
| [17:10] <flan> Who would I speak to about claiming a slot? | |
| [17:13] <flan> Or do we just edit the wiki? | |
| [17:19] <nisshh> flan: just edit the timetable on the wiki | |
| [17:20] <nisshh> flan: if you want to know more get in touch with dholbach | |
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| [20:01] <jenkins> hey all | |
| [20:01] <jenkins> flan: ping | |
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| === mrjazzcat-afk is now known as mrjazzcat | |
| [21:04] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: Thanks for the wiki comment. | |
| [21:05] <ChrisWoollard> That doesn't matter. Anything is ok. A couple of lines would be good. | |
| [21:05] <ChrisWoollard> I have the membership meeting next week, so I am trying to collect them together. | |
| [21:06] <ChrisWoollard> It you don't have time, that is ok. | |
| [21:09] <ChrisWoollard> Doh, wrong window. | |
| [21:09] <dutchie> daker: pong | |
| [21:10] <daker> i need your help | |
| [21:10] <dutchie> for what? | |
| [21:10] <daker> django | |
| [21:10] <dutchie> ok | |
| [21:11] <daker> dutchie, i have this dict | |
| [21:11] <daker> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3/annotate/head:/languages.py | |
| [21:12] <daker> if you want to run the website | |
| [21:12] <dutchie> what do you want to do with that? | |
| [21:12] <daker> oki | |
| [21:12] <daker> so this list of languages should replace the default one | |
| [21:13] <daker> i can render it but i want to make in table of 2 or 3 columns | |
| [21:14] <daker> you see the result by running the website | |
| [21:14] <daker> $ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-website umpwebsite | |
| [21:14] <daker> $ cd umpwebsite | |
| [21:15] <daker> $ ./manage runserver | |
| [21:15] <dutchie> ImportError: No module named umpwebsite.urls | |
| [21:16] <dutchie> ah, nvm | |
| [21:17] <daker> what ? | |
| [21:17] <dutchie> i branched it to ubuntu-manual-website | |
| [21:18] <daker> ah | |
| [21:19] <daker> http://i.imgur.com/KqfdT.png | |
| [21:20] <daker> dutchie, have you understand what i mean ? | |
| [21:21] <dutchie> one moment | |
| [21:21] <daker> tyt | |
| [21:22] <dutchie> surely that's not really a django problem | |
| [21:22] <dutchie> (not having looked at the source) | |
| [21:22] <daker> instead of have only one column, i want to list them in 2 column | |
| [21:22] <daker> having* | |
| [21:22] <dutchie> i have 2 columns | |
| [21:23] <daker> actual on is just a test | |
| [21:23] <daker> one* | |
| [21:27] <dutchie> i'm not sure what you mean | |
| [21:28] <daker> oki give me a moment | |
| [21:31] <dutchie> i'm going out in a bit | |
| [21:32] <daker> oki | |
| [21:33] <dutchie> can't you just use more columns? | |
| [21:35] <daker> http://i.imgur.com/S2uDB.png | |
| [21:35] <daker> i want something like it | |
| [21:36] <daker> the languages dict should rendered in 3 columns | |
| [21:36] <dutchie> can you do that in CSSS? | |
| [21:37] <dutchie> or CSS | |
| [21:37] <daker> here is the languages.py | |
| [21:37] <daker> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3/annotate/head%3A/languages.py | |
| [21:38] <daker> it's passe to the template here | |
| [21:38] <daker> passed* | |
| [21:38] <daker> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3/annotate/head%3A/website/views.py#L17 | |
| [21:40] <daker> normaly the "languages" dict should be displayed like this | |
| [21:40] <daker> {% for code, lang in langues.items %} | |
| [21:40] <dutchie> yes, i've followed the cod eok | |
| [21:41] <daker> have you understand what i want to explain ? | |
| [21:42] <dutchie> yes | |
| [21:42] <daker> explain :D | |
| [21:42] <daker> so i'll be sure you understand | |
| [21:43] <dutchie> i don't think it's really something that you need to understand django for | |
| [21:46] <dutchie> going out now, sorry i couldn't really help | |
| [21:46] <daker> oki nop | |
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