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1. On 2h and 25 March 1955, the writer accompanied by

was interviewed botween 2:45 and, 5130. PM on the 2hth of March and again betweon 9:00 and 1:00 PM at the Gas intorvlowod between 7100 and 11:30 PK on the ovening of 24 Harch 1955.

2. The purpose of the trip was to obtain further informatien in conncctiou with AitIICioKE, work to discuss particularly with a his viowa on "anti-oocial" acts under hypnotism and to pernit to question both and along lines of particular intorast to his work involving hypnosia. In general, it may be said that the trip was unsuccoaaful although stated that basedon cortain atatements made by he folt that the trip uas worthuhilo.

3. ju the ocinion of thc witer, was so obsossed with the rany controversial problons arising from hypnouis md hie own ettremoly narrow vims in the field that he could not consider properly tachnical quostions that vere put to him by both. and the writor. Tire and again land the writor triod to.obtain gound vcrking idons fron but thove effort wore unsuacocsfvl cince could not coase diocussion of his pat theories and ideas. At best it nay be stated for tho record that 'acrees that "anti-pocial" acts and imreral scts and activities having a fotal outcome could be carried out under hypnoais if the "propor" approach were made to the subjoct. Details in this connection, howover,wore totally avoidad byand tho uriter whien it was dlocovered waa not willing to listen or to dlacuss actual vorking probinms along those lines. In view of thia, Fand the writer chasgod the entire tonic from advancedhypnctic work to brain washing and gave to n copy of Huntor's book, "Braln Washing in led China" for hio further study.

h. It should bo notod for tie rceord that both tho writer nnd ghva spaciflo security instructions tos. Tand both and the writor toliovo that ill follow

Chief. Socurity Resoarch Staff

A/8,,3, 2 29 Farch 1955

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theao inatructions. Movevet, it is felt Lhat as a Bource of inforntion on cericva matters Luvolvin; hypnosis, le is uooless, cutdatod and certainly Lncapablo of Uho advamcod tectuniquco vith wich we are Ferfliar It also should be coted for tho record thatis an oldur nan ad prolably becauoe of tlie constant arcunents totwoen himolr and bis profcsoional collonguns, itis folt that he chould not be contacted by anyono in the futurg cartainly without prior briefing ly Who vritor. whothor or notsis senllo in part is cobatoablo.

5. was interviewod tho evoning of
2h March l955 at his home. Ho was oxtremly co-oporativo and many
subjocts pertaining to hypnoais vero dincucpcd; howovor, it is the
conaidornd opinion of both and tho writer that Tls not capable of advising on advancod hypnotic todlr
niquoo. mheroas, ho hee writtan a great doal (an hasl
his material and his thoughts aro not solidly groundod'or vill
they bo helprl for any futur work for us. As in the caso of mentioned abovo, tho writer can soe no reason for furthor
contact vl.th Iand anyons rishing to coatact hin, it
is baliovod, would groatly bonefit by a diucussion with tho,uritor.

6. It should bo notod that totl intorviovs vore conhicted in conplote harmony and that the writer will take care of personally any problens froa any of tho interviows.