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1. On the afternoon of Wedresday, 16 Agril l952, and in the morning of 17 April l952. tho writer again interyiewe Hat his acartment eesà view was to ascertain whether"or not would be interested
as'serving as a consultant to I&SO in connection with Artichoke matters.
In this connection Kes lon previous occasions when interviewed
bv the writer ard b7 orevious conversations, had indicated that he would be glad to assist the goverroment in any way pcssible and would serrs without compensation, if necessary, if his services would be of value.

2. 5 35 mat A rs such 3 ave 4-. e aga 1 7 22 8 one cons: 20 ngth ng hypno 42 io work r1 S ef in conne en gs and whe 9 r or ne +> he tha bination of and csis 1 foration COU ex a C d in dividuals whether W ng 0:

4 3 tated again that he elt the bes possi 5 2 nethcd,
at least ac present for o5 taining infornation fren recal trant persons
Was rough the use of dru and.er ， nesi 3 app ied sub 1y pe9-
sible. He stated that some 0 his work lead him to 41 he conclusien that the technique cou 1 he mastered, 3 hi gh perce 0 accura 4; e
matien could be cbtained in unwil ling cases. In addition, he stated that e anguag 52 er coul possi b2 be surncunted inte coaching Age 0 cers f πt erpretors.who had know. dge of fc ign languages,

stated that he had only on one oocasion worked with colice, that ne had ideratle amoun work in connectien with psychiai and for private psyehiatrists in hvonosis would be an extremeiy useful weapon, but it was necessary to spply it with arceal of intelligence and that unless each case was studies psychologically and approached with high intelligence, the chance ef ostaining information wculd not be good. treiterated that he did not know cf any new drugs that could te used. He confimed the faot that, to his knowledge, no one was using clectroshock or electro-narcosis in connectien wich hypncsis in but he would continue to make discreet inquiries along these lines.

Office Memnoranuutm . UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

TO : Files

DATE: 13 April 1952

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of travel and oierseas work vas discussed with
: stated that he had no obtection to travel and we\_som the epporsunity to do work fcr the Sovernment and, generally speaking, since he is not narried, he could travel on short notice and stated he was not interested in money, as such. With thia baokground, the writer asked he would be ng ns 0 the and was informed T intorested writer then stated.tc hin that he woul essi ab Day him at rate of \$35.00 to the usua1 \$9.00 a day per dien for
"domestic travel and the standard overseas rate De left the country
Thewriteralso.explained to,him the travel regulations, vouchers, etc. n

y. Thereafter, the writer showed the FHS forn and the Appendix I form and pointed cut to that the fi out and signing o5 these documents vas a requirement before enploynent with this Agency. T Istated that he had an engageneno the evening of the 15th'ani ir the writer wculd return the l7th he felt that he, couid at least fill out most of the important parts of the PHs forn.

3. The writer asked! if he were employed as an Agency consulsant ty the Agency Would he be willing to include amcrg his suties the training of individuals in hypnosis and related natters in addition to train anyone sent to him oy tne Agency in nyphosis.

9. The writer then asked whether or not he was still engaged in his field of and he stated he had done very listle in the past few years, but his present work was y that of a prcfessional nypnotist. He stated he had a sufficient tackground in to be used as a cover if a cover of this kind were necessary for the work.

10. Before concluding the afternoon's talk with writer cautioned hin again of the secreoy and security invo ved and stated that he thoroughly understood the need for secrecy and security in these natters.

11. At l0:c0 M, 17 April 1952, che writer called again au apartment and  nad at that time partialy silied out the PHS. He apologized for wnat he called its incompleteness and stated that a nuncer of questions had arisen including his legal name and his stage nane and his varicus scurces of revenue. (All these items have been set cut in the Pys for and wii te explained in a menorancun which will be attashed to his for by the writer.)

he that wni to

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since he W aS ce 三 consi e rec às 三 consultan 1 Has Innecessa for di in 0 his income ax 4 3 212 ake i te 7 3 tatenents. The
wTiter obtained n en him scne 41 ai 11 caticns 3 te salarias, supplemert 4 nf ormation wh 0 1 4 a 1 1 3 2 7- ration acce 3 1 è wr iter's handwri h1 in [.1. enci 1 the Daper 910-
mitte d 5 In e iter studied over + List re CeS
given each case J would appear tha
bas give individuals censider 3 tacure
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13.2 explaiaed that he had no cnarge acocunts; hence, his credit references do notssen to him very inportant. He had no police record, was a member if nc organizations except as Listed and chat he, ,as a rule, kept rather strictly to himeelf in all natters. Since the writer.felt that sufficient time had been spent in obtaining the FHS form gand his signature was witnessed by the writer.