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DATE: 19 September 1951

Reference is made to our discussion in the conference of Wednesday, ,19.September l951, concerning the instant case. For any help it may be to you, I'am listing below the questions that occur to me in connection with this instrument.If this, list is of no value, it can be burned.

Is the needle a standard medical needle designed for.injection? Assuming the dimensions of the vial to determine the size of the needle, can it be determined whether the needle can be used for venipuncture, or could the needle be used for general work such as intramuscular puncture. 3. Of what material is the needle made? L.Is it a high-grade material or a sloppily produced job? Could it possibly be used for animal injection? What is the diameter of the bore? If the bore is clogged, what'is it clogged with-rust, blood, chemicals, etc.? 8. Is it the type, of needle that only an experienced medical man would use?. Is the needie a standard medical instrument such as made in. the big medicalmanufacturing houses? 10.Could the needle possibly be used by "scratching" such,as used in common vaccination? Is the bore of the needle of sufficient size sothat a gelatinous substance could be forced through"itor.would it necessarily have to be.a liquid? Is it possible that any such needle could be used to plant crystals, dust, or powder in a human body? 13.Does the needle occur in any standard medical equipment or. Army oriAirCorp equipmentror equipment ofany related·type? Would a microscopic examination indicate it had ever been used on humans or animals,'i.e. mimute pieces of. flesh at: the. puncture end or possibly"hair? ADoes the needle showany indication 'of. being supported by a cork ot plasticrto hold,itistiffly,in place,in the lower. section? The Collapsible Tube Can medical research determine whether or not drugs.serums, etc. are commonly handled'in, collapsible tubes .in. th fer the satellite courtries?

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2. What is the tube made of?

3. Can the tube stand heavy pressure? 1 (a) Could it be filled by squirting a liquid or a jelly into it?

—(b) Would it be refillable?

(c) Could it be used by a person carelessly in a rough or sloppy manner without damage to the tube? In short, how strong is the tube and what aré its characteristics?

L. Were the folds at the top of the tube made by hand or.by machine, or possibly by a special instrument?

. 5. Does a microscopic examination of thé-outside of the tube indicate that it was packed in cotton or some soft material to prevg prevent rough: treatment?

6. What is the best guess as to what the tube contained? Gelatin, liquid, powder, etc.? ,

7. Could the two drops that were extracted from the tube be a residue after the liquid evaporated?

chemical used in trcatment of humans or animals?

. -9. Is the tube fireproof or heatproof?

l0. Could the entire contents of the tube be squirted through the needle in one thumb and forefinger squeeze? 1n

ll. Is there any indication anywhere of dosages required? 511

l2.·Is the small nipplelike mechanism in the mouth of the tube a type that would hold back a water solution, an alcohol solution, a powder, a gelatin solution, etc.? n

l3. From a medical point of view, could the device be used to give a quick injection, i. e. is it so:designed?

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X lh. Has the originalreport made by thetoxicologist ever been given to this agency? Can it be obtained? And why can't it be turned over to other competent peonle for their study?

X 15. Why can't thespeople or otherrtoo-level scientists suhmit a series of questions to th toxicologist,re the material in the tube, for him toanswer?

X l6. Were the contents of the other tube (as well as all component , parts) saved? If so, why can't they be brought to the United States for proper study? 1

The Container

1. y 1 l. Why is the container shaped as it is?

X,2.: As it is, it is a bulky, -unwieldy object that could not be easily concealed on the person or for that matter hidden inconspicuously in many places. It is obvious that the tube is not designed for concealment or to represent anything but what it is.

3. Is the container ilreprooi: h. Is the container, when both ends are on, waterproof and heatproof?." .5.. Why was the container built in such a heavy manner?:

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6. What does a scraphing of the inside of the container show under chemical analysis?

7. Is there any evidence that cotton or some other material was used to support the collapsible tube? us

B. Is there any evidence to indicate that instructions came pasted on the inside of the container of onthe outside or any of the component parts thereof? What did the-ageits sey-in-this-case?

X 9. Has the container (and for that matter, the entire instrument) ever been seen before? ever Detil osal uevi.

(a) Pictures of this should be sent toany agençy pi individual having working knowledge equipment for possible identificatioR

Xl0. Is the container similar to any standard .ycontainer by outside dimensions, material, color, design, etc.?

ll. Is the container sufficiently large to hold two of the collapsible tudes: tubes?

X. 12. Would it be possible to find out what instructions were given to. the Loxicologist in the instant case?

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(a) I note that it was turned over to the toxicologist for "a routine check of the'common drugs". It would be interesting to know in this case what was meant by common drugs.

1. Were they ever run on the polygraph?: l. ere ney ever

2. Is there a possibility that they were drug addicts? Were there any needle-puncture merks on the arms of either of the agents? Have they had a psychiatric examination? ave

3. Were these agents of high, medium, or low caliber intellectually? L. Were testsmade to see whether or not the agents could administer a substance by the use of a needle? a

5. Was a verbatim written report of the agents' interrogation ever submitted to this agency?

6. If these agents were low-grade, or even medium-grade operators, why woula wey ve suvluove whv would they be entrustedwith such a valuable weapon?

7.. Have we ever received information of a similar situation, or is. there any other report that would indicate Thave ever carried hypodermic equipment of,any type, or has there ever on how to give hypodermics? been any instruction to TF

Did the agents themselves ever use the instrument? l1 so, where, when, why, results, how used, how much given, etc., : . etc.? ·etc,r

9. Was the instrument carried on the person of the agent or in a bag with him, or was it carried in some concealed manner? v-b -afl vae it. used on l0. If the drug is represented as being so powerful, was it used the agents themselves? If not, why not? the agents uemseives.

Have the agents ever seen tests made in the agent schools or read any reports on the use of this weapon?

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12. Does the interrogation report indicate whether or not only one instrument was issued per agent,or were the instruments packed in a group in a special type of container that would perhaps contain ten or twelve of the instruments?

General

1. Can th report in this matter be obtained·through liaison channeTs7

2. As stated above, can we obtain any residue material left after the toxicologist's work, or even the other container or parts thereof?

(a) This might be valuable to determine whether or not by microscopic examination if they were built on the same machines or built by the same medical instrwment manufacturing company or plastic manufacturing conpany.

It anpears obvious that this weapon, if it is as good as stated, would be extensively used and certainly there would be rumors, gossip, or intelligence information concerning this.

3. Why would the:make a "field-laboratory" examination of this matter and not send it immediately to the best research people in the United Stated for study?

h. Did the agent state how. much of the material in the tube was necessary to get control of an individual--all, half, one drop, or any given part?

(a) When the agents were seized, specifically what was the condition of beth instruments?

(b) Were photographs taken of same at this time?

(c) Was the container weighed at this time?

5. Could the entire situation be a rigged job? If so, why such a crude, bulky design, or would that be part of, the rig?

6. Is the collapsible tube designed to hold liquid, jelly, or pow-: der under pressure so that if squeezed it would cause same to squirt out-with considerable force?

Could the two drops that were found be a means of holding another solution or a hiological in a solution of some sort.
(a)Although ules out the biological angle, could not the biological disappear upon exposure to air and leave no trace,In connection with this, it is suggested that might possibly have valuable information.

; thore any information that would indicnlo that gorma or germ produced disease could be used or hnd been used as a hypnotic? In this connection, very fast acting diseases possibly producing very high temperatures are certain to have been studied by the Bw groups.,

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For a matter of record, our research does not show any \_literature along these lines, hut it is known that in some individuals, serums or anti-toxins will produce delerium, hallucinations, etc.