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REFORT OF TRIP 27 November 1954.

1. The purpose  tho trip as to toko up   tho people ir the possibility of rezinstating the project we discussed ovor a year ago. On this occasion, however, there were four additional people cleared for contact-so that more definitive inlorration colld be obtained. The men cleared for contact were

2. In the previous visit to I it vas deterrined that do vayo jut for carrying out resoarch which could be organized under suitable cover, but no definite action was taken nor was it possible at that time to determine a definite interest of the people involved.

. 3. After discussing the new developments with and tri.gin, hin up to ate with the development a Pwe decided to arrange a meeting with all. thé princinals. do soon dliscovored, ho.tever. thal this would be impossible. huntin trin and would not be back inl until after the electiou.

uho fllowin: t lay for an extended trip. As a result, it was necessary to sef hi. aùomt 10:30 at izht and we were able at this time to havc Ettend tho meeting although thre uas no!, as aoch ti e as r doairei we deliditely detormined that tas interested and would be willin: to yarticipate and the only question in his mind was the amount of tine he would be able t coitrihuto to he projecs. Mikewise was interestedvand willing to participate and would give as 1uch tims as pussihleto the.project. Both of these men raised points as to how ruch vas kncim abouy tiso of drugs, shat aor': so had dons on various drugs and what drugs ve wanted investigated. Also whcthor this mrojech would investigate variousaspects of brain washing. fis vory interested in tis subject, and has written a paper to be published in January 1955..

PIt das necessary to ro there in oruer to sec in the time availalle. Accordincly, fand the writer dhrove toa and thoroughly discussed the situation with As a result of our discussion he expresced his interest.and support. At the present time there are in the Hospiial ll2 criminal sexual psvchoraths. These men are all sentenced under If a man has been

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convicted ofsekual olfenscs, be can be brocal. p unrlr the hnd sentencer as a habitual sexual psychcuath tc an indefinite torm for treatment. This tern iray lo icr life or until he is discharged from the llospital aò being no longer a menace to public society.

5. Althourh s for the criminall, inuene, theso cexual psychopaths arç not psychotic. With the exccpticn of their psycho-sexual devistibn,they are hormal a::!uically healthy. llowever, these patients are iown to be highly resistant to ventilation .and:often resistent to co-operatiun and 'trestment. Over 60., of these people-have been sentenced to Zmis means there is a corlcte histcry of the individuals in files. There is a wide range f age from 20-70 and a wide range of I.c. and social backaround. The crux of the problem is that these people have been sent tc for treatment, however, because oi hc lintiations of staff and difficulties of tho probler, trentment is minimal.• It is felt that any approach uhich would invesjigaie the nowcr techmiqucs of therapy would be accepted by the nen.

6. Till make the space availsble and ii is evcn.. Fossible for a tear to slecp at the hospital uhile they are carrying out their investigations. The Hospital stafl consists of poychologists, interns, social workors and attendants. Within reason, services of some of the medics and psychologis!u on the staff could be eutherised utilized on this project. Jheir services would be frnc if given within the ncrnal voel: period. If they were to vork on weekends, some means of remuneration would have to be worked oyt.

7. Althoush other' avcas of research vere discussed, it is felt that ould be the idebl to carry on experiments with the use od diies, did sursest, it may be possible to get voluntecrs of the Land since he has eight tods in the reserved for the hn could keep subjects overnight under medical supervision. Thc is also the possibility that in the event of a brutal sex murder. drugs mirht be used in the interrogation of suspects by th In the event that exporimentationproved that a drug could be given surreptitiouslvwith littlo. clloct, sone work might be done at the at such time. At the present tine, however, it is thought to be altogetlicr too 'risky.

8. In carrying out a roseárch program ath it would not be
essential to clear any more individual. The rest ol the prograi could be
carried out under thc cover of' the researeh raut. Tn this conncctior
it vonld be necesuary to have the research foundation write a letter to Mproposing that. a group of physicians aul prycholcgists
intorested in thc pereral fiell of criminology and particularly the
treatment and rehabilitation of sexual offenders had afreed to carry out

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investigatiens in the newer Jines of theranv. would then
obtain perrisoion fron the Zunder vhoa he officially
works and clear the rroject with the ce-ordinotion of rescarch with the Feels that merely showing such
a letter to the would be all that. would be neces
sary. In the fubure, it micht be dosirable to elcar one or tve nemiors of
his staff inasrmch as one psychiatrist is very rmch iutorosted in this.
ceneral area ond might be able to surgest research procedures if he know
the full implácationsof the project.

.. 9. In considerins this project, we-assumes that all dmugs would be furnished to the project; that if required a safe would be furnished, equipment would be furnished and any unusual medical equipment could not be supplied by the hospital., nce the investigators in the project arc already busily engaged inqrivate practice or.with responsible physicians it would not bo pessitle for then Lo srend án excess amount of time. Accordingly, the following budret is aubmitted en the basis of the men spending, fifty days a year at Brobanly at. the rate of four full days a month; payrent of a paychologist who C arpears in Court to give testimony and remains more than 1/2 day is l00.00. fhis budget. assums a fee of 75.00 a day on thc days worked, at 50 days a year. this omounts to 3750.00, a year per scientist..Also we included two henbers for fifty days a year at .25.00 per day'and a steno, secretary, for ovcrtime work on stenogtaphic reports, l,000 a year. This amount to 22,250 a year. The travel for tho term between Tor 50 davs a vear each is figured to ho l750. ány alditional faren tel Pould be adoed and it is expected s2500 would bo required for travel. l,Oo0 is put in the budget for miscellaneous expenses. These ilns total 26,750. It weulé will be noted that neither the time ncr the travefing; expenses or per diem of the writer have been included in the iudget.