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I. The Proposal

The purpose of the trip vas to investirate the possibilitics of using tic . of thic , as a placo furnishing sufficient cover to carry on roscarch in the area of interrogation with the use of druga and to include poscibly interrogation vith the combined use of drugs and hypnotis and polygraph interrogation with the use o drugs. Further, a survey was mido of other arencios which could le rcached throvgh the lines of connication for sinilar roscarch nrojects.

The bost mothoi of financing tho project, requiromonts for supplies nd equipment and an overall cotinite of costs vere to bo cstinted.

i I. Prcvious Investication

Dw visit to on 10 ani 13 heccaber 1912 indicated that the uould furnish natural cover anl' that C willing to co-operate in such a projcct.. Tho prosent trip vés to invostigate thoroughly tho feasihility of such a research project.

The exists as oño of nany agencios undler atainistretion wiich migit poscibly bo used
for an AlTICH KE project. is.n fully-cicared conzultant
to the Agency so that possiblo pregrans anl approaches could be
fully diicusged vith hin, but cnald not be dicsussod vith other
inlividuals who vouid te coneerned if such a prorren were activated. In ortker that tho reader nay got a lettor picturo of vhat
poscibilitics for resenrch exist in Le arca of
tino follovinr ontline is presented. Attached is a has in-

1 dicated by an asterisk tie inividuals uith whai ho is vell acqainted.

Report of Trin by fron 1 larch to 1 erch 1953

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The variors orgcrizntlons vhich night be utilized as places for rosoareh vill be reorted giving tho pupoco of the orcanization, tho population with thich they are conccrned, the staff orgonisation, the ninirn clearanco requironents anxl tho pros anl cons or using thc orgonisation a; a location,for rcscarch.

The exists as a service organization to tho At tho discrotion, cases are referred to the for diagnosis,
porsonality evalation and suggestions for treatrent, All clionts, vith rare cxcentions, ure pcoplc All clionts, vith raro excentions, are pcoplc
who liave heen who liave been

The clinical rc,ort is an cid to the

The cent to tho say aro givin a physical. exaninction including a blood and urino tost, a voriety of naythiolocical tosts and a paychiatric examination. aro routinoly checked for provious records and social açencios or other sourcen of inforiation nay te utiliacai. The averace tinc there people spend in the is five hours.

Lach case is staffed and a one or tuo-eagc report is prepared fer the who. sont the case. Gomo nass, through tho E yoarly.

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thoso rro rarely and voluntorily con to thie for czainntion, it is unlikoly tiy vould bo good subjects for this project. lloever, the space :ight te used for other typen of Ageney rescarch.

There are full-tip psyeliatrists on the staff azl part-tin exxünir physician. There an poychologints and support staff nenbers --

If a rosonch nroject vero conducted in the, it vould be essontial. to clcar the and the thuroo nerbers of the concorned vithactivitics. Inasruch as the: aand conittco ne phera rotate cssirnments fron year to Feer ad cases aro referred to tho byall the it vould be desiralle and pro ably nccessay to cloar all ten . It likoviss would be higiily desirablo, if not nocossary, to get individually fror tho eitir a blaniet authority to aditinister drugs to all cases at tho discrotion of tho or to receive individlual authority fron cass to case. If thiswero not dono, it is possiblc that tiic

daaages, ete. evon tiour tho subjoet. volunteered for such a resclrci procédure. If the were not roviously advised, the entiro progran might ho jeopardized.

Tor the personnel of theitself, is already cleared an it sould be noccssary to clearathers -- the

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peychiatrist, ai Lhe doelor ve adnini toro the physi cal ond nourological tmta, It is not contcrplated to use auy of the paychologists. In adtition, it would be desirablo to obtain cloarances on secrctary nuù tio of theeem as they vould have accocs to sono of the activitios.

IT. Discussion of tho Pros and Cons

The I.is idcally sitnatcl. It i: ncxt to the Tho clients of tho r; sane vould be cood suljocts for ARTICiCT, cperinentation. Tho Director of the wio has vorked in tix for tho last. 'yoars, is well-acqnainted with all of the oflicials of connccted with the and dealing vi th lie is also a cleared concultant of tho Agoncy and is willing andi even onthusiastic to participato in such a rosoarch projnct.

Thoro is aple spaco in tho to conduct such a rosearch project.espm can bo casilyvired for sounl rocording and the large could to uzod for tho adinistration of drugs. Tods and toilot facilitios voild le cveilablo if rocossary.

On tho other hanxd, thore are sore difficvlties. The conluction of such an exporirrnt would not fit casily into thc routino of the . I an asnuing that the adiinistration of drugs an subsequent interrogetion would require fron fou to six hours. This vold probably have to be doue in aditlon to the rgutino iprocedreof theanl voildl probably noitc individhual wouldl have to he called back for the socond visit. Tilevise, it secus .to ms osiontial thab a net'icsl man bo present during the entirc mnount af this tir. If somothin: untavard occwred, it possibly would le necessary to hospitalite the incividual at the and in this ovent the aditting officer or adnitting physician would have to be told what lod up to the existing plysical condition. It is possiblo that socono at the hopital could be clcared but inasruch as thore is a groat deal of variation in duty hours for the medics at; the llositnl, tho
situation vould be alnout inpossiblo to control. Dther possible difficultios are that an hearing of mich a rescarch projcct micht try to tokc arivantago of it as a nonns of obtaining 2 Again it must be boine in ind that tho

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and as such ruight he
prono to stimlato publicity if they thoght it uae favorable to
the or thenselves. Should porrission be requirei fron the
Efor individual ccses, the adainistr-tion of tho project
would be difficult. Finally'there is the pos-ibility that sone night disapprove of tho project anl t'igih thoy night not
le able to stop the project they night uoll create difficulties.

There are ↑ lof the Which night be uoefl in cmnductirg ATiC ok roncarch projects. Tho is honded hy yhore title is Icsiden tho. ,thre crofulltin medicel officers, ono pharmecist and to clerès. There are four fll-tiae rodical officors o mpcrate cntiroly gitside of the oprice naling hone calls on poliee prrtonrol. The an outnatient clinic in tio lolice cpartmont "uilcinc, ie epipped to perfern iniror surzery end hrndle all tsoss of ninor copleints. There is a ftlly stoeked phnrnecy. Shen hoopitalication is rocessmy, tho nscs the there they have beds assirnod te the.of these cre for rirgery andIfor illnoss. in the pást yeer they filled an averase of seted. Sore of those roont nigit bo utilizl for rosonrchi purnoscn.

Enother departront is Che Thie is Lr? 41, assi pee ineladi cheists ar varions emorts in scirnco. The la: ora
tory itsalf is
erl equipped vith various appuratus. azt to on of the roy is an callent In acdition, thero are
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years. The arbinistrative control of those divisions cores under tho , who is appointed by the Here again, eny emonditure of fuds weuld have to to approved ty the and

A rescarch project night bo sot un riih tho co-operation of those two denartnonts. The subjects vould bo who are being For exarle,

over three hundred varo run on tho alono in a
natter of a feu ueol. Curroutly, there is another
caos being imvostigèed anl any nunber of vill be . In cortain instances, have boen civon drage although
this is not publicly adiittol. It vaild bo pozsiblo to set up a
projoct uherehy could be uith tho use of erugs,
druçs and lçanosis or tho use of drugs ont the . In the
event that hospitalization was roquired, they coald ho sont to the and use tho bods assirnel to tho

perhaps vitho't furthor clearanco vith the llospital. Host casns could sloep ovornight if necessary in sone of tho roas. The mnber of cases thu? furnished vould lo vriable depending on the muñor of investigto. Howerer, in thero are sore a nonth so that prooumably a fairly substential. mrnber of cases could to built up.

If a project vore initicted in the be necoscary lo socure the poission of tho and perhaps the , but prorably

it vould

vould be the only sthers tho wontld rerire el-arance. The other nent ers of the ceparinont vould not likely qicotion a rosearch pro cet, particulerly if it uauld assist then in thoir activitios.

Vi. Pizcussion of Iros mr Cons

The advanter o of thé aro that they have
adequate apace, they havo nodical men attoched to tho staff and
canld conduet cmerinentatien mndor controlled conditions. Toth aro very mch intorosted in tho field

of anl vould prohally le intercsted in purticipating in such a resoarch project ns it uoild avist tlicn in thoir day to day activitiss. They have tho advantage of toing allo to sleep peoyle ovornight ir tic is neccssary and lave a cirront errangenent vith the For eaittin

leh could te ruilised in handli s seie casos which nizht le reqired.

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The disadvantages are tha:. tie people boiur are hefore thoy are fer ary ani it is possible thnt extensive use of drags night result in puilicity and possible lar suits which the would not favor. It night be difficult to obtain sufficient nu bors of subjects inasmich as they would have to reccive perission fron the who are naturally resistive to sucii procedures. Surreptious adinistration of drugs night bo tore feasible in connection vith other procedres.

ono of the largest in tho countay, has a populntion ranging fron Ii is loccted at c0:0 niles fro: Ticy have their om hospital vhich has leds. There aro fuul-tine nodical officcre,fuli-tine dontists, an resident inceris fren the .attached to the Tospital. Thcre aremedicel specialist conrltants who are hirod on a foe lasis for sectaliael nedicira and suiery There ere varied xaulere of eans ener te eeinistrativ purvier of he

tho is cpcintod by the To i: tho var recontiy appointod. The chief pinypician is are well lanom by è.

any activity in tho would havoe to !e n roved by and pocsjbly by ith thic epproval, the 4 C elar thn iould concur. It mey be ncosary in this instance to end th: Chiof Physicion at the llospital.

TIIi. Piscussion of the iros and Cons

Therg are rany adventares of uàiry: a setup for conductic: oxeri mnts of Lhis natar.. The atbject: are readily awailabl, all re rad ther: is a vide ranre of intoliance. Ib is cay to cot v'rnters in the

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1f for no othor roason. The conbetion of tho experLonts vould to socuro anl thore vould bo no nocossity for publicity.Any povere plysical roactions could be troatod in tho hospital and even if a doath occurred, it is not likoly that it voild croato'a boriord crisis. Fqporirontation with differont drugo and various dosages of drigs could bo triod out here ad piyslcians aro alvays availablo and tho tino of the subjocts is lany of tho of thls havo passod throuch tho in congcquontly, infornation about tho oubjocts would ba availablo fron an indopondont saurce.

After mufficient exporionco is gatnod frori tho uss of a drug, it night thon bo usod in a noro opon situation and porhapo adainisterod surroptitiously. Exorinonts using hypnosis and drugs could alco bo poro roadily conductod in tho

Sone disadvantages occur. On, the location of tho is such that participation of. Agency consultants would be moro difficult. Also, sinco this is a , the co-opcration of is nocessary and thay might bo poro lilly to lot infornation loak out.

This Hloopital, locatod in is a mntal institution for tho insano cnd in recont yoars has houcod non-psychotic, psychopatha. is about The liospital hasbods and the curront population isgen andwarrn or these, aro poychatics m pre poychopaths. There nrofull-tiin paychiatrists including the suporintenlont. Thero ero no other full-tiro physicians or interns on tha staff.- Local plryuicians aro availablo on a contract basis for rodical and surgical uo. The superintoniont, who is woll Lam ly Adiniatrativoly, tho Hospltal conci wxlr tho diroction of tho of the a vho is appointed by the Any work corkhcted in this inatitution would probably roguiro tho cloarenco of tha

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The pdventaros of doin vork in this institution is that a conbination of psyehotic and non-paehotic patients would le availablo. Practicnlly all of the nsychopaths have passed tirough the 2t and indepenlent information usuld bo availablo on ther. ow? of te other patients will have likoviso gone through thc . Tie staff of this hospitel is very snall and it is lihely thct they sould u :leone such an atperinent inasmch as Uhoy are ablo to do prnctically nothin uitit tae; poyeiopaths andpaychopaths yonld rako good subjets for our purposes.(ith the psychotics and. poychopaths, it is likoly the authorities vould.be rore villing to perit experhiontation with drugs.)

The disadvantaos of this institutien re that any work conductod there vould probehly heve to bo dono by norsonnel furnished by the project. Arnin, tho distonras fron vould male difficult the participation of consultants there. It nay be felt that tho nunbor of non-psychotics vill. not Surnish enough natorial for our purposen.

13 The 13 a :rrich vas converted into a i nauro-rrcitiatric hiemnitat. j7 one of tic! mon'to start this institutionand ho still ratains "onc vork uicht pomsibly le done here. Thià hes the aivantage o toin;  Ezaorganisition wherh no other cpproval
C than : uoale bo raquired. Tae difficvlty inthis instenco voild be obtainin. subjects. They vould prohably hove to te voluntoors wio could concto thoand porhapsstay overnight.

Xii.Other Institutions

Ouher institutions vere conciderodl ns ponsible locations for research progrtis but uore rejectod after thorourgh disçussion. Thcse includod the tho

end severel hospitals.

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The and in particular the nust le considored bocsuso if an work is done in tho in the of the Tecorder's 4 tie Facilities of tho vill likelò be reired. is oeratod uner t'c aliinistration of tie. wirich controls all lt Liewino has charge of

The is responsitle to thc anl tho of the Toard ancointed by the is There is also a rade un of. proninent citisons cho aro ap ointed without pay cnd serv R\~C in an advinory cavacitarze of liedical ervices and hes adnlnistrative control of tl:3 is of the Poro-ioychiatric Crrnch of the Fosnital. If thie facilitics of the arc uscd, it nay ln neeczsary to obtain cloarances of comcone in the as tll es in tho llospital.

Considora'le thourht was riven to thie problc1 ol covr and to the rothod of financing such a recoarch project. The follouing orfanizations and institutions are nontioned hocauro thcy mirht be involvcd in the arranr;ins of the financinc of such cq rinentation:

The i3 a orranication founded by the
late the gmor of the ll kmn , presently
hcads the is a friond of . It
might bo ossiblo to uso this organiaation for th: granting of a
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agency Lut Circcted Uroich this . 1t maye possible that uvild rco  direct front. -fter knai of such  projoct. If tris orcaniartion vero :ed, it vonld te necensry to clcar

origirelly maeceetel Chei s rpare. roject nicat be tnitiatol r Fis a orgcnizetion. Tie ie heedod b ¿eting of tie i3 GC of to tredat tctarvier at toovehlatry, tho is lite-

rocponsibilities icetor of the oiro-.c,euatrie Trmch of Lir hn bne br! cloze retesant vith tis 2h10 suzpnted es a vosdhle cousoria armacy Eor t'k res rreh oroject n has reeoived rant? ovníisat ons to ecT on ro i:ee tiry nor ell- corhret 1t. furmian3 a vr coe for e: a 1130s mr: cic: n Pro mder oartment and othor prticinant: selocted by tho heor votld vort uiti hin. Tho in alize nt to the ccariinly, a projcet unlor in the woil: bo ido:d.1y loenel fo vonc: consltarts.

Ther rro soverl disedvantages i: a'teptiny t. aet up a ren rch
procven throuc: on an7 othor \_Tho ad tuistra
tion of Sens uol petooaril ro throa: C unl chcu
mls. Il vo ld lo liffienlt to osáinl. contro! of Lia concaet. o?
the emerinbation. 'rerous ivtivldeels intae niveroity sould
have to ba civan at lonat noro inferti m eloit the naturo of le
reserreh.ro ts cligs th rociiuty of sona nenbera of to tceai'n hteresbed in ho rojoet who nirht noi ie

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desirable fro tho Agoncy's point of viow bt who could not he graciously excluded. It is likely thiat a conslteral le munber of people would have to lo clsared. Cuch a grant ani the condict of roscarch would necossarily roccivo the usuai F piblicity. It is clco pessitle thnt certain individuals of tho nizht voico o. jections to vork of this tyro aftor nuch work had tern put into the projoct. It. might bo difficult to have appointed as diroctor of the resoarci projcet as he dovs not old a proforsorial ran!: in tho nor aro his comxctions vit'i the

X. Pirect fetlhods of (ponsorship

It is possible thnt a rescarch propra could be conductei directly by personncl recrrited by the Agency. For exaple, it micht to feasiblo and plausible that rocoive a grant to conuct roaoareh in te fisld of in vhich they are ell intorosted. They in turn could use their depertronts to condaict rosearch and convince Lhoir superiors that it would not interfere witi thcir usual routinc. This :nthod hns tho edvantage of the gcncy rotaini g a soluto cotrol o:or lie dircction end suporviston of the project. It is alao po:i'1: tht tho thove naed irdivituals or others night bo given crants singly and carry on simltaneous projects at dilferent locations.

XI. Cencral Discussion

For ATIClok research purposes,a lace is neoded for exten
sive experincntation vith various drugs to deter'ne sffectivenoss,
dosagos, possible side offects, methods of adrinistration, ete.
The lost place in for such excerirentation uauld be vould be the cecond cioice.

After cortain drigs are sclocted for effectivencss, case of adtinistration aud pationt acceptability, the offers good roscárci possilrilities. In eza ining nctaal fieli corlitions aro approachd.ost vill hav unsavory bacigrounds, one or nore will be and the others will te IC tho persons er? discovorod, the mmust find accontable indopendertly of the for prezentation in . If ero selocte, there villlo little canpláint on tho part of the citisonry if it becmveo laom drugs vore \citen.

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The fecilities rould Lost, ! ntilized for
research üning tbr ugt and the! Tor perhaps crga ed hepnosis.
lous that conld lo civon saurroptitionaly vouid ie preforahlo. Te would not be idoal for noro extensiva use of druga becauçe
of the mnbor of peoplo wo wll havé to lo clomal, becmtse all of
the culjoets (vo trust aftor i) vold le sido effects coild not be ecsily nanrlind, ete.

At the presant tire, trivos Itosta to nesple comisr inio Uhe ", not for the Fargote of detonitning bit as a nathod of prolin, uoir o otioml copleres. e doaa rotroqire any alitionnt eikrmity to do Lds end in son insiricns be is evn directed lg theFpxsto attinister is lum as corkwiat of an "oxort" In thir ricld it vould bo :ore naturel for Li to do msorch"in thal Neie. lákauie, ho could do tis vithut all or Vio Foing "cut in".

Fottinn in ay research projeet involvinc! ergentaations will requiro Lon, d cotlicated procedtre., prrticilriy if ther cre Conials of clerrance on sare individuals vho mmy bo only incidental to the progra.

In fact, anticipatad difficutier in ore of tn inatitntiors
cre so grent fhas lolr uaefirss leexet qumtiemale. Cetttr
suci a projeet Urouh Pe cupicoa of elio offers
uny obstaclo:.La 1igtl. o bis, 1 roe E posciblo a
diacct and simle nalial of monsorahin Ie atilised. I boliete trt
it lg plamil le that e e
eztcoald rrant resourca nuey to an i divicaal a a ra of ane
dividnals tn do roaoreh in Uhe carrel cield or
cluding ihe e ef draga. IE or
singly or as a roap, wer? civen such fala, tcy kn trn csald obtain pericslon froi their speriors Lo e yxcet. :ocoaret in teir copartanto mnoly qcun; Uhe cov r ttoy an? not Cloeisine the istorest of the vmey in sich a progeai. 's truúinnt citiaena, id…!- flec uiti tn field oft reliev Lhat Viey coald approach the officiels o? Lhe in (e san nnr Eud oblain lr facilitios of) institattons.withoit discussin, thalr ultiete pposaa.

caraetani clarmce: ha eor rpete for 1 rennd し a Lre saaes ofl 1.5 eaaditod and tha! o Hbo held in augaco. Vler  eso mn ro claared, a cx'arener condd be areed

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cither in or in rshington to got ticir dofinito roactions to suchi a proposal. If tey corcarred in sach a plr, Uhen steps coild be initicto' to obtain clonrances for avreif this fund organisntion is to bo usod,
end any othoro considred necnsnry. Ir this plan is folloved, it uill be pozaiblo to actually dotoriin- victher a resosrch prert can le condicted at thic or other institntion uithrtt mrlay "tipring or cgi". In any event, the project should 1e cet n co thnt it vill furnirh sthe ncy cs mich control as nossillo, reqiro tio cloarauce of a inimui muabor of poole anl occasion littlo or no publicity.

yIII. Costs

Nolernination of cort could not bo nodo as tiis vould vary greatly depcnding on vhero or vhat rosearch projects vere. cet ur. A cursory investigetion mnd discission on tho s djoet or cost, haever inlicate. the rroatect eperce vill be feesto be prid to consultants co-oporating in the progran. :ost of the equipment is availatle at the various aigestod installations. Ccier equiuent and supplics e "ld he fianished by Uhe Agorcy. fer a dafinite progran ii accortol, a noro ezact detertination of cost cen bo ascortained.

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