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Office Menorandum"• UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

DATE: 21 December 1951

FROM :.

sUBJECT:"Artichoke--Bluebird" Conference

A18, I, 1,12

. 1. On 21 December 1951, 10:30 A1, a conference relative Bluebird was held in the office of Those present were,
writer.

2. stated that, at the present time, all of the A were co-operating l00% with the "Artichoke" work and heemphasized that there was a need for full co-ordination of the work within this Agency as well as co-ordination with the particinating 2 He stated that, Tof the C1H had recently completed his swing around the country to line up "clinically trained" people who would he available for work along "Artichoke" lines. He stated that the problem was, in the event. Tras C 2 able to line up this type of personnel, what could bē done with then. In other words, physically, where could they be placed if J was successful in chtaining then. Would they be attached'tolor directly attached to According to, these professionally G,A and clinically trained individuals (apparently psychiatrists) were to he attached to the varicus "Artichoke" teams. In this connection, FA fvisualized the last, six teans in operation and these people were to"be the medical component of the various teams.

3. Cyrrzeistated that a very serious crists had developed in the A experimental work and that was that the experimental projects were running out of volunteers for drug and chemical experimentation. He stated that this was true of all agencies and that C , and others had complained that they could no longer continue to use their own people as guinea pigs since the work was hasardous and ill effects had been felt by many of the subjects. Tindicated that A all agencies were looking toward CIa to produce volunteer personnel for this type of experimentation and stated that he felt that A through our overseas program and our dealings with allens, we should he able to come up with aliens as volunteers or otherwise for the necessary experimentation in the "Artichoke" work.

山. said that that was one of the original concepts of the plan and indicated that this matter was being considered.

5. A question then arose as to whether TA6 has been fully cut in to the "Artichoke" work. stated A

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that was cut in to the "Artichoke" work but had not been briefed A
operationally. stated that it might -be a good idea to hold A
a conference with rrand other memhers of the "Artichoke" group
since should be interested in this. was definitely interested in the work and was beconing in- stated that A
creasingly moreso. that he would give füll support, furnish doctors, and act as consultant Tstated that had promised AA
any time he was called upon to do so in this work. The conference arreed
that after Christmas, a series of talks would be arranged with A and others relative this program and it was decided that.
get in touch with him later for a conference or series of conferences would call and infor him that -\_ould A,A A
with individuals working on "Artichoke.".

6. There followed a short discussion on the use oft and Texplained the Agency's position relative cover in connection with this type of work.

7. was in estated that he had no knowledge of 4. asked at exdctly'the same time . if he had heard that ing i there A, A, M1F at that time and to his positive knowledge, did not touch any of AIC the CIA installations in that country or he presence. istated that he did not know if t knar ie ard S SA Ibut he had heard that he was there. stated that he'would attempt to verily if and for what reason. \_jhad made this trip C

8. estated thathad just returned from a trip A,C tosznhere he was a member of a team of thres individuals apparently sent out by the stated that this trip to theupon his return. stated further that apparently the reason for the trip was'to work out a co-ordinating committee that could set up a method of dealing with the... government for securing and exchanging intslligence infornation.

at 9. 'and had conferences with the suggested that possibly could hane wern AC
there."He stated that this also would have to do with the obtaining
of intelligence-type information through the fgovernment and that as an official, could conceivahly have been talking with C, people who were carrying on negotiations with the H KF

10. stated that the recent case that was proposed for "Artichoke" work in was erroneously handled, that the individual

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not in question was a low-level agent, and that he was definitely/wo rth a trip by the "Artichoke" team.

11. asked jif another operation oc-AA curred in the imnediate future, could other interested agencies be cut in ant further, could individuals of other agencies be brought directly into the operational case. Istated that this was not po3- 4 sible in any strict operational case; He.stated that operational cases could only be handled by CIA people and that the introduction of H or other government personnel into the cass was entirely too risky, would expose the cover of CIA people, and would spread the knowledge of the "artichoke" work too widely. swek pistated reports on A operational cases, however, would'te made available to all properly interested parties but as far as actual participation is concerned, it was not possible.

12.7 expressed the view that it was essential to tell all A cf the liaison men with whom he deals at once when "Artichoke" operations are being worked. He stated that this was essential because if he did not co-operate fully with these agencies they in turn would close the. deal on supplying infornation to CIA; this would include technical information and operational information in which they were conducting the operations.

had been briefed concerning the "Artichoke" work. that 13. hhad been briefed by /sometime previous. sta. A,A,

At this point, the conference again discussedrsy of the C stated that H,AC.
was a fully cleared consultant, had been briefed by him and his work
for the Agency had reached the implementation stage. tu
stated thatf was to build uo a reservoir of men for this tvoe
of work. In this connection,f A
he would write up his plans on these professionally trainedf Ig people in connection with the "Artichoke" work. lagreed to do this in the immediate future. 15. The conference again discussed the use of alien subjects and all
hands agreed that this presented the test possible means for human ex
perimentation work. in supporting this, stated that there A
are still a great number of serious questions involved operationally in
the use of alien personnel in these experiments and in the actual tests. Tstated that one of the most acuto and perplexing probleng A
in this matter was the disposal of individuals after they had been treated

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by "Artichoke". The discussion then turned to the nearness of some of the Agency bases to the w stated that he was recommending the setting up of vast bases for training, recruitment, holding, etc. far removed from the:

stated that he had no particular ideas as to where these bases should he, but he thought possibly.

'might be good situations. He said that he would think that these places would make fine base areas since the Agency could secure several thousand acres or more of land for our use and in addition we could make these bases totally secure. He stated that it was his idea that orfce these bases were set up (and in the not too distant future) that "Artichoke" experimentation could be carried on extensively in these bases. He stated that in addition actual cases could be.run at these hases since there would be there complete facilities for all types of work including sufficient guards, technical equipment, laboratory facilities, etc., etc. that would not exist elsewhere.