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Conversat.ons with

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1 net wiUrgerc in accordance with arrangements made by linison officer for Frojoct Artichoke. Purpose: to discuss thee rProject as it relates to Proicct Artichoke and to discuss certain spocific points raised besaret directly witara

2. eoutlined ebackground and certain outstanding projccts je has compieted for thee Specific mention was made ofsgsmespr's survey and evaluation oi mortality ratos of varions anesthetics which has resulted in standardization of anesthesia in medical facilities. Also he has developed a morphine substitute wlich is of strategic inportance because of our lack of an opiuna stockpile. evaluatesz as one of the king pins of ren medical research today. lie is at present working on narcoanalysis ami claims to have achieved success in obtaining substances whicli will loosen the tongues of otherwise discreet individuals.

described Froject Articuoke in genoral terms and the importancc of oblaining an objective evaluation of the feasibility of various techniques from a national security standpoint. It was indicated that, without jeopardizing the cover or existanco of various projncts such ass, we would like to be sure thataresearch in the field is proceeding as directly as possiblo and with no unnecessary duplication.

h.ee promised his full cooperation and acreed that the best way,to achieye coordination is to bring together the key personnel such as and others active in the field ard let thom explore the matter completely rfeels that is ideally suited for our evaluation of the feasibility of the drug techniques.

5 advisen that te are most eppreciative of his cooperation apl in anticipation of this we have made arrangements Prior tore krsomeeting the cia-Project leader, a prelininar: meeting might de in order with the everficialsi ：223 present to discuss general aspects.s agreed and is prepared lor such discussions.

6. The specific questions raised by were discussed.

a. The availability of who will report for twoears dutywith thesaw ce in the near future. eet agreed to contacter of ther and see if arrangemonts. can be made for assienment to Bunder C

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C The security status orepoh yill nass infonaation which may te ayalable A in order that he may give ze informal guidance.

c. The security status of mis cloared through Secret only. Clearance for TOP -SECRET is cousidered essential if he is to be brought further into the project. mey initiate TOP SECRET clcarance but, this will take time. An iniexin ino SECRET clearance may be requested as.an emorgency measure.es emphasizod that the reosontis not TOP SEURET cloared is because it was permitted to lapse after the last war and just was not continued.

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