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1areviowed the dovelopncnt of tho Projoct withia CIa. Thia progran vos undartkon becausa it becare evilent that ocmo xoasures buat be tokon to provide protection for our persoanol againot Soviot intorrogation tuciiniguos.Recomnandations were made icpse, therefore,. that a high priority prorram te establialiod on thia subject. Tho program wagaccepted Lan approved bythoDGI.. Atan exeoutive gossion at the LAC on 2 April l95l, tho procrem was eplaincd to tha heeds of the ouhor iitalligence agenics ud they woro raqucgted to nominato dosignees to work vit the'Assiataut Director for Sciontific Intelligenco on tha mattor. Each one of;the dosigncs has boen approachod infonmallyto detorino his departroiitts interogto anl progcans existant. A final stop in this process was 'tho nomorandum to each designoo asking for tho, spacifia objectivos of lis depariunt anl for informniion on astahliuhod or plannod progranoTha date of 20 July for cubniscion cf thia information was ostallishod tecouse of a ngating of congultantsto the projoat schodulod for23July1951.

Dofensivoaspccts -An cxamnlo of the action talen bythe Asin this rogard is a bricfing whichargeoy gives to CIA paroonnol iich ponsists prinarily of ixloctriration orcondlitioning.

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dovelopmonta occurred at abait the cano tiro vhan in l950 about a year ACOL

aCIA  proachofor noort in connoction with Projoct Muobird (in this connectioacee sugcostod thiat the coie nona for tho CIt Projoot be chiangod aince "muobird" roforred to a spocifie operetlon wiich is cox copletod.) Hesesré projoct consioted prinarlly of tho uso of narco-Apnosis plus noohanical aide such ag tho Hie Hotoctor. Tho CL A Projoct did cot wso one of thie drags offered by therand tho B opportumity for tocting thapa, in that projoct vas thorefore Lost.

b. At about tho same timo thegre-analyzod the projoets concerned with cdtaining intolligonco from interrogetions and dooided that there wero linltations on capabilitica within the terees due to the diffioultyofconductine tasts on Inlividuals, ete. Thoartock tho matter up uith cadió was acsociated ute Ed in theOfflco of thor n o k of h sterect tecauaa of hic provioua positica as At that tiro alro, thgesnet fwho vas working on "motlon cicigass" probleas.. A projoct res cstabiiched wor:ithith300,000 allocated ydvr pericd of threo years.ro. data has ezocided 50 000 Clhich tha will ultlretoly  roinburaod by thee Tipnane eesagevars bricfod on this projeat. Alco joint noetinse woro hold with CIl and tho rs but not ths twindaseaction was - no Literest - nothing to contriluto tould not auit intercst in such a projcct anyway.

c. Aso pt tha mo tirdvisolotho . This projoot is in osoonco a soarch for valid inilcation af doception othor than the nochaical indicators, now being used. It aloo consldored cortain other kua meohaulcal ixiicators such as eu rotlons, ote. This project is nov finnced50,000 ps5yc25,000cach.

In sumnryecrotated thiat tho pocifie objectivas of theco projceto are tho dovolopnent of offensive tochniruos. Tey aro coordinatedgeav projectg undor tho nanacmont control ofrrll intormnticn on such projecto vill  mado available to CIA. Toapatlso has an intonco interost in dovloping now tochniques for resistance.ta interrocatión (tho dofonsiva enpccto).

3. Thodacbor advisod that Lo wuld to forcod te givo a nogativo roport on activitios in his dopartncat until furthor information coull to obtairnd.

L. : Teeeauber advloed that he sas in about tha sazc position except that bo had loarned of a project att

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fie Lolioves that this projoct is in the poycliatria ficld is wnclascifiod, nnd vas dovalopod and is controiled by the

5.Texplird the nission of tho ncdical wit in OsI. It ls rosponsiblo for ccutiued survoillanca of foreign offarto in this field but ta not briofod ond hax no rosponibility for tis project as such. le is handling ovorythiing undor hio pergencl direction with all individunia in CIl Listed as to kncnlodgc ota.

6. The servicg morbers brought yp tho aubjoct of maruals now in preparation in the to corve os idenco as to te attitude to bo. adopled by pombors af tho Amcd Soriieea whon capturod. There is a serins eainapoes (clesaificatien TO? (anoT) which when approved uili lo sutcntted through tho. DCI to the National Security Counoil. When finlly epprovd.these will result in unclnssified diroctivos , and mamual: for the puidance of all sorvico persomel. The prizary purpogo is. to adviso soitice persiñol ont

a Hor to avoil digclosing infomation uhen captured.

.  b. lior to avold beatings or other Soviot teciniquos Uccause thoy mre cuapocted of heving such inforation.. Tis is rainly e pert of the, dcfensive or resiatanoo aspcot.

jagreed to sdvl bre roedy for transnittal to tho I.

8. r thon described tho pogrn vituin CIA. Thoro is an intornal'morking crop composod of ropregentotivos froa tho Latorested affcesi

Thoso iniividunis reot rogularly to insuro continuing progross and full coordination with reopoot to eaoh espoct of the projoêt in vuioà ono or more ccponents of Cis have an interest, Tho information on tho exigtonco af. the, project is lialted to a fcy iniividusls in cach of tho interostod offices and this list is on record horo.

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9 In cadition, CIt has an outsilo working group composel of canpatont sciontiots as followsr

This is a proup whici will bo triefed on 23 July at uhich timo it is hopod to convlncg then.that tho .projsot ig vorthy of their attontion and os quch of their time.as thoy can spara fram their other ronponsibllltics. It.ia hoped that wa.can stimlato thoir thinking and obtain sone constructive guccostiong as to qecific approachoe to the various roscnrch espocts \*of ths projoct." In this conneotion, there will be exporinantal prorans: which can ba carricd out in this country. Thoro will aleo be progreao which cannot be dono hore ani ray take the for of the origiral projoct Hluebird.Tho rasults of tho Lattor type of experimont villl probably bo roported in tuo'vaysr

n Subotentive roports on tho dateilled information obtainod fres the individual. Thcge are not our cuncern anl will bo issued through regular establiohed intelligence channels.

bi: Tochnical roports - Thcso are roports which would bo nade by tochnical obgervora on the reactions of tho gubjoct with rocpoct to tha tochniquog ugcd anl would como.baok for review by tho best ociont competence available.: This would than guggest nev approacboo and gonorata Aurther oxperisentation. noted tha dirficulty which aroso in comectioa-with origirnl Project Eluebird and asked that adoquate notice of nou CIA operations for recoarch puposco:in this field bo given to thee reprosontativoo.

10."The aubjogt of collation of information wdich is knoun to bo available.in great quantitics,cn tho.techniqucs uoed on inlividuals who hava been in tho hands of the Soviots was.conaiderod. notod -that this breakg.down into two main catogoriosi:

a. Information on intorrogation of copturod porsons for ths purpose-of obtoining intolligence. Thoro is practically no infornation avallable on the.techniquosused in this connoction. i

b.· Information onintorrogationg to obtain confoosions.."Thoro is, kmcm to be mountains of inforntion on Uls uubioot allof ii ich has been collated by interestod officials in thcraus althguch po gumary hos been prepored' anl it is not loliovcd that such a suranry is necoegary."

l.. It wag cgreed that it vould bo constructivo to bring togother tio wiesignoes anl the CIa consultant panol at an early date. It wauld

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also bo genstructive to bring the connultant panol ani posaibly rand togather. with this. group.

I2 A.muggestion vas male that sinco wo will evontually uoot tho problem of obtaining funis for recaarch from tho various particípatinz agencioa for this purpose.. Th e are ncrber mentioned in particular agonios concidoration tegiven tg utilizing existing ani ostablichod B :the comaitted on mellcal aorvioes undor tho

briefed the group on our contacta with tho represantativos inand algo cur diccuaslons wituze in conneotion with this subject. In both cacos, ng inilcation of activa participation in this matter oithor in CIA or th 8s given.

lh. Posoibility of ro-approaching thrhich so farhzs inllcated
nointerost in this projoct was discussed. Tames succcsted wliich pight
bo uf in this connection wora provided and  - The foror is probably the iniividual withi tho real kmalodgo

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