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PROJECT LGQ

The purpose of this trip was to observe the performance of a U.S. Govt. teas which had stated specifically that they had evailable a new substancs which was vory effectivs in raldng people tell the truth. The U.S. Govt. résearch had besn aized st finding a substance which could be administered to the subject without his kowlecge, which could not be detectad by hin by taste or sight and which would ceuse the subject to reveal hizself against his wishes.

The U.S. Govt. team consisted of private and U.S. Government personnel.

This report wvill be better uncerstood if it is stated that a private earcher did not reveal at any tize eny observable psychological shill. He constantly referred matters to his secretary who gave nost of the inforaticn. I asked hin at one tize what her trzinieg in psycholog was and he stated, "just a gensral course." At another tine be indicatei that she had not completed a college degree, The fact remins, howeter, that nost matters were referred to her for decision and she frequently contradicted the professor. For further eveluaticn of this report, it should be noted that reliable inforation indicated that thare was probably sozs sort of azorous relationship between the profossor and his secretary. The source of this inforzatica is probably contained in other rcports.

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A private citizen appeared pepproximtoly twowecks after the U.S. Govt. tean arrived. The professor at no tine indicated . that ho had any very Teat kowledge of pharacology and frequently . contradicted hinself in regard to the results to be expected froa the . various substances which he 'was using.

It had been unierstood by s that the private researcher would reves:

to us the naturs of tho substances vhich ho was using efter the first case. This was not dons and has not beon done to date, At our final inter view held in ths offics of Colozel "X", he statei that he had not revealed this because ke felt it vould be uapatriotic to do so.

Hovever I was able to learn through a scurce which I consider

quite reliable that the substancss wore as follors:

L was seconal and was neasured in grens.

G was dexedrine and vas neasured in milligrans.

Q vas the ective principle of canzabis indica and was measured in milligrans.

In the rezsinder of this report, the researcher willbe desigated W;

his secretary, J; a U.S. Govt.official by T and S and F will be used to

designate the two interrogators and translators used in cases four and five, S referring to the thinner of the tvo, Cases one and two will be described only briefly beczuse the researcher felt that they were not suitable for his typs of nedicatica. Conssquently, no ccnclusions could be drawn froa then. Cases three, four end fiva will bə described in greater detail.

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Case I,

A fev preliminary remarks by W are of interest:

"You mst realize that if a ran is lying, this will nake hin a better liar. We don't kow mch about Q but it won't kill his. The drug produces a feeling of not wanting to hold anything back. It works best on those who wast to tell the truth but are afraid to. The drug is not effective if he is trained to deceive or wishes to deceive. The effect lasts 18 hours."

The first casc wes that of a somewhet psychopathic fsmngmwt of about 40 with a Don Juan complex. The only thing abcut which there was a question was the significanco of his visits to thebssyrs

mams W insisted that the exanination be conducted by me because "I don't kow how to deal with theso peopie." The brief protocol of

this exerirent was as follows: First session:

1435: Start

1619: Beer

1730: Beer finished Second session:

0855: Breakfast finished 20

1016: Session started

1025: Coffee .05 gm.I

1052:' Coffee finished

1123: More coffee .05gm.I

1154: Coffee finished

1300: Sassion ended

Took walk.

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1340: Lunch

20. ng. G in beer (binding)

p.n. session:

1435: Session started

1540: Beer

25 .nd 15 .

1620: Beer finished

1625: Beer, no dose

1741: Session ended

1745: Conference, ell hands

1807: Conference ended. Case I, Wednesday

0815: Breakfast

20

0852: Coffee finished

0915: Conference

0942: Conference ended

0949: Session started

0957: Water 25 ng. Q and 0.2 g. L

1010: Poker game

1050: Red capsule 10 g. L (He was given the drug as a prescriptiou for 106: Red capsule .10 gm. L end 25 g. 0 his nerves)

1314: Session ended

1320: Conference, all hands

1345:. Conference ended

1420: Conference started

1440: Conference ended

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After W had stated at 144ò that he was through with his experient, it was decided to proceed with the "A" treatment. The plan was to induce fentasy that he vas speaking to his vife and that in this conver sation with his wife an attept would be rade to find out what his reletions were with the mbegre acttaa In the room at this tira was the caso officer, T and ryself. T administered the pentotkal starting at approximately 1500. When the patient was asleep he was given 10 mg. of benzedrins at 152l. This was repeated at 1530. Ths fantsy of Eva was induced at 1535. At 1631 he showed a tendency to escape back into sleop and he was given another 20 rg. of bonsedrina. At l704 there was violent weeping and sleep was again induced in en effort to get emesia. Fe hadn't completely rescted an hour later. He was amncsic for the entire period of the pentothal period. This contirued into the next day. The case officer felt thzt he got the inforrstioz which hs desired.

Case II, Exlosive

This indivicual had been seen by us on our first trip. He is a hard-boiled individual who apparently has the ability to lie consistently but not very effectively.. Protocol is as follows:

First session, Thursday

1335: Conference

1430: Conferencs endod

1435: Started session

1555: Beer

1653: Beer, one bottlo firished

0.15 , L, 20 g. G and 50 g.

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1816: Session ended

1830: Beer with dinner

0.2 gm. L

1930: Conference

2003: Conference ended

2025: Session started

2040: Beor

.20 gm. L, 50 g. O end 10 g. G

2210: Beer finished

2215: Bresk

2217: Conference

2255: Peturn to session

2405: Beer, no prescription

2447: Sessicn ended by decision of W

At ths end of Case II, W rerarked: "At least we learned one thing froz this experirent. The people you have to doal with here are different fron American college students.".

Cass III

This case is given in greater detail because it seemed acceptable

to W as suitable for his drug.

0930: Session started. S, F, W and C(Psychiatric Consultant) present.

0950: Coffee served. Flavored vith quinine.. Both S and F said that he was more friendly, more talkative and that their espathic index vhich had previously been negative was positive.

1055: Beer

10 mg. g and .10 g. of

l058: F comented that a mistake must havs been made because he hinsel wis fceling peculiar. I reassured him that he vas wrong and took

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soms beer out of his bottle after which he folt batter.

1100: Drew pictures 7 1, 2 and 3.

1230: Broke up for lunch. Subjeet had lunch with beer containing .05 gm, L and 25 rg. S. Finished at 1315.

1330: Resuned with discussion "just to pass the tire away." (W)

1432: Eyes were bleary, was able to keep thea open with an effort. Speech rotarded.

1434: Evasive and ce" (F) Drew pictures # 4 and 5. "I think they are criainologists." (Subject) "He is suspicicus." (F)

1450: nFe has resumed his old habit of not looling at questioner." (castirg eyes down and avay) (F).

1500: Beer, served by J. 5 g. , 15 g.  end.05 g. I

1230: Subject insisted on a toast 3 or 4 tizes with each one. Counted the glasses and thought that there were only four and wanted to know why. The fifth glass was pointed out.

1500: No offer to tap glasses until S suggested it, then tapped only his glass.

1520: Spilled beer down his front.

152l: Bragging about how well he cculd run a motor bike. (F)

1522; Less retardad in speech. More gestures. Pesumes looking at exaniner. Seems zore like he vas when conscious subjects ere discovered. (F)

1527: Subject defensive about questioring regardizg police.

1530: "Beer always makes ze zore talkative." (Subject)

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153l: Made several perscnal references to his wife. (C asked S, "Fas he had any opportunity to do so before?" S answered, "No. To situation was not as relaxed as this.")

153l: Doas not initiate conversaticn. Spilt zore beer.

1550: Licking lips

1600: "Wé're gettizg into sozsthing interesting." (s)

1605: Was morentarily distracted and when he returned to ccaversation, he was unable to resuze, but after appreciable tize ke was able to resune without cosching.

1614: Slurring of speech. (0 and F) Two serious graatical erres (C) "We have given hin too much." (W)

1615: Went to head and returning ho fell to his kees once and requirei assistance. Subject rads no corent.

1620: "Speech is garbled and he is dropping syllables." (F)

1630: Subject was doodling and listening intently.

1635: Peturned to habit of looking cut of wiados andaay frem exarrer.

1636: More or less direct questioning started. S said, "called hi= a liar and he did not react as before by freezing but csze rigzt back with an explanation."

1730: Both S and F agreed that at tizes he bad besn:

1. Retarded in soeech although in general he was more voluble then in previous exan.

2. Vague 4

3. Circumstantial (F)

4. Evasive + (S and F)

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5. Tangential + + (c)

6. Suspicious F yesS on the contrary, maybe less.

7. Self criticalOne point regarding

8. Caginess (F).

9. Contradictory. (F) +

10. Persoral ancedotes (F)

l. Truthful S yes p "Didn't know"

12. Critical of staff zen

FACTORS TO BE CCISIDEFED I EVALUATICN OF CASE II

1. S and F had not examined subject for three zoaths. S had oue previcus exarination prior to this.

2. During the six-nonth interval the subjects environzent had progressivaly ixproved.

3. During the last three nonths he bad been free to movs about. Fas gotten married. Eas been rore syrpathetically treated. Plans have been made for his future in a fev days.

4. During this six month period be has told four different stories, each was accepted at the time until some new factor appeared. Questicn now is, Should story 4 be accepted?

5. S can offer no reason for believing this story to be true excapt i as intuition. In this regard it should be noted that fron almost the beginning of today's examination he and F felt a positive ezpatby.

6. The friendly - beer and coffee approval.

7. That both exaniners notad hin loquacicus and inoreased cooperativeness before any drug could bave had any effect.

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8. ? Was the control period adoquate?.

9. ? Were F and S ready to be impressed? S cynical, F - perhaps yes

10. Nothing new and relevant cane out.

11. ? Was inforation valid?

12. Nothing dazeging came out.

13. No psychiatric exmination. Prevented by W

. 14. F is very suggestible. (see 1058)

These fourteen points were presented to F and S who agreed that

mumbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13 and 14 are facts.

CBJECTIVE OBSERVATION

1. More loquacious F and S

2. Iritoxlcated (W)

a. · Sluiring of speech

b. Staggered and fell to !mees

c. Spilling beer three times

d. Dropping syllables, (F)

e. Garbled speech (F)

3. Moistens lips (C)

4. Second picture shoved evidencs of anxiety as evidenced by e drug and increased inhabitaney level as evidenced by nudity of the female figure. (C)

5. Menory lapses (F and C)

6. Gramatical errors (F)

7. Lowering of lids as if drousy (C and F)

B. Difficulty in concentrating (C)

Conclusicn: There is no objective evidence that the drug has prcvided any new inforration.

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Case IV, No. 495

This case was considered byboth T and myself as one of schizopkreria, consequently wes not a vory good excerimental subject. The sibject hid been last seez by F on one occasion six weeks before. They said he kad a tendency to exaggerate his abilities and achievezents. Also that ke was talkative at tizss but would at other tizes be mute ani stare into space. Ee was at tines overbearing, at other tires indepe=dezt. Whez caught in a lie he vould pass it off without emberrassment. On one occasion he vent and got a perzanent vave. Ee vas further dezeribed ss umpredictable, imulsive, subject to rapid zood changes and was consiiersd a pathologicel liar.

1030: Session started. "e is in a very gcod mood this a.2.ª (F) Voluble - ready smile quickly fading. Dislikesemnd - doesn't kmou why. Attention easily gained and held but in pause quickly becomes detached and prsoccupied.

1045: Coffee 10 mg. Qsnd .05 ga. L "Harbors hostile rood to mother because.she did not discipline him any." (F) Drank coffee without suspicicz.

lll8: Coffee finished No psychiatric examination. Asked, "Do Ruissian children like to go to school?" Anssered, "Ter7 much." Doesn't like beer but will have one. Plays ith finger and looks dowe..

1125:, Beer .05 B. L

ll28: Finished beer. Silly on first glass of beer.

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1l45: "He hasn't been specific and precise, not giving exact enswer," (F)

l150: Finished second glass of beer. More voluble (F and s) (I couldn't see it) (c) Both seemed to respond to W's direct questions Contraction of jaw muscles

1210 - l220: Gave exact description of machine tool snd his use of it. . "I did e job which nen with ten to fifteen years experience couldz't do and I did a good job." (Subjsct)

1225: Pressure of speech. (F) Gestures "This is an extreme reaction to this azount." (W) "Our subjects kew they had a drug." (J)

1321: Lunch

1432: Started psychiatric ezanination. Psychological examination was stopped by W so interrogation could proceed.

1448: Coffee .05 gm. 1 4 "In prison (16) for 15 months for stealing potatoes. Badly treated by other inzates. Beaten up and tattooed."

1520: Finished coffee.

1557: "Should have given his nore." (W) "Sometimes a dream is so vivid that after a couple of days you renember it as alnost real."

1600-l705: Long conversation in Russian. No translation. W pleyed repetitious pattern on piano during lunch for about  an hour over and over again. Didn't get second picture.

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As we left Subject asked F, "yould you like me to work for Fou?" "If ais a spy I will kill myself and you too." Repeated six times. (subj.) "I want to go beck to Mother." (Subj.)

"In morning started cold but went well, but went into relapse. Inforation comes with ease. Voluble and doesn't stop to think. Nore of a success than yesterday." (s)

"My impression was the exact opposite." (F)

"Said things he should not heve said yesterday." (s)

"Practically norzal this afternoon. A little Eore collactive. Seened to want to let you talk. Quite voluble this, a.n. More Cooperation." (F) "Conversation 90% ahead of thoughts." (s)

Discussion of Case IV

An attempt was nade to get an independent evaluation by F and S of this case but this was prevented rather deliberately by W vho insistei on rensining in the room and keeping the four of us togsther. The opinion, expressed by S in regard to this case was:

"In the morning he started cold but then things went well. Later he went into a relapse. The infornation seezed to coze vith ease. He was voluble and didn't stop to think. This was a greater success than yestorday."

According to F:

"hy impression was the exact opposite. He was practicelly normel all afternoon; a little more truthnul but seezed to went you to talk more. le was quite voluble this moring and nore cooperative." Both F and S agreed that no new and damaging inforwation was elicited. W ended this session by saying, "le know practically nothing regarding L, G and Q; but the little wa know was confired yestorday.

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Case V

This individual had aand there as no question of deception and he was described by F as "One of the zost cooperative chaps I bave even seen."

0945: Coffee 10 g. Gand .05 .

l010: "It is possibls thst he is shoving effect of dosage." (H) "I see no change." (c) (W can see irrebrencies but they seen natural. F says be can't see irrelevencies.)

1025: Beer .10 g. L (Both S and F drank along with subjact and felt effect)

1043: Beer finished (Statenent of W that subject is oblivious to surroundings is not valid because all thres were without substance.)

l050: Feeling beer (W) W makes frgquent istakes askizg for repetitics of questions. "My thoughts are elsewhere." (i) (J makes decisions) "fas been full of grammatical errors fron beginning." (F) "He Can't be embartassed very much." (F quite slowed up)

ll02: W ask hin ouestions on clerical experience for 15 mimutes, I'll let you do plenning. (y dependent on F for interpretation.) "Qucstion just to pass tize." (H)

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(At conference 9/2/52 W said he 'would feel umpatriotic if he vere to tell us the substances because we were not corpatent to use thei.)

1115: No noticeable effect (C end S)
1130: Beer 10 g. G and .10 g. L

1145: "No change." (F) (J and F very friendly and talkative.)

1146: Subject notices F and S were drinking from saze bottle..

1l48: Finishsd second glass of beer. "Will get a reaction out of s soon." (F) (Too mush baer:) (S very friendly, joking with J) F somewhat silly

1l50: Beer finished "Mst avoid sensitive subject as effect will be bad." (J baing a little silly and cute)

1200: Slurring syllables, gramatical errors increased. Appeared irtcxicated. 4 "Still no evidence of a desire to talk." (W) Hiccups occasionally. "I think he is getting a little slurred." (F) Playing with upper Lip. (C)

1210: F very definitely slurring of speech.

1212: Subject yawning

l2l3: J giggles alnost continuously vhile F is talkdng to subject.

l218: Dropped cigarette. Hssed ashtray. Clumbsy. Fas not had to void.

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1225: "Put on soze prossure. Uss tochnique you used before." (W)

1230:. Subject gives no response to funny story, used todo so.

1238: Steggered when got up end walked. Sat down at first opportunity.

1239: Terinsted session.

1345: Started p.m. session. Still staggers .

2348: Iapossible for ze to think fest. (subject)

1350: Beer

10 g. , .05 g. I and 35 mg. Q

1400: Pefused rore beer. "y beer doesn't have a head on it, others do." (Subj. Getting clearer (S)

When went into listening room after morning sessicn, J appeared intoxicated,

1406: Two swallows of beer.

14l0: J more sedate this p.a. Beer one-third finished. Peluctant to drink.

1415: I left to go to Air France.

My conclusion in regard to case V is that there is no objective evidence that the drug proiuced any effect.

SUMARY

Additional information which we can consider in evalusting whatever report on this experizent as given by y is:

l. A reliable source states that substances have only been used on five college subjocts.

2. None of the substances are new. The effects of L and G are wellkowm and much nore predictable than W seemed avare. Q is a substance which is the active substance of zariahuana and its effects have been studied. Its effects are unpredictable and to a certain extent unkmoum.

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3.. The attitude of both W and J and their own reaction to the beer which was served effccted them to a point where in Case V their observations would be rather invalid.

4. The exotional instability of W and his tendency, as he said hinself, "to play by ear."

CONCLUSTC:

This experirent proved nothing. On the basis of the information given to us by W as indicated by his comcnts above, there was little reason to believo that these substances woald be of ver7 great value. Personally I belisve that 9 is a dangerous substasce to use until we kow more about its pharmacology. L and G are available in a well-kow proprietary drug kncwn as dexayl. This product is better balanced than W's use of those tuo substances and vould produce zore predictable effects. G will produce grester volubility. There is no reason to believe that it will produce greater truthfulness. There is no evidence ! that it effects the judgent.

Psychiatric Consultant