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Wo chatted informally about techniques-in the field-of Artichoke. that he, considerad. ready for appraisal of ,the field oxperimental trial and usg on subjects mho may be available in the:near futuro,. pressing cases to

was worth, particularly the combination of fatigue and stimulants, a. y recommended the use of fatigua for all it C including coffee"Alternate periods of.fatigue with comfort......

C Hypnotisn with drugs,"particularly barbiturates. aroccmended strongly a trialof this mothod on a candidate know torat this tine.

d. would not recommend including in tho program the.present.time.ahock.treatment In:the cae.of ee candidate, uaing most:experienced interrogators available recomended. He would try to train medical men as interrogators, since their experience as practicing doctors as well as thoir training in medical achoois:cover methods of interrogation in thelr normal professional activities." He feols such a program would be more affective than to go to "psychological methods."

f.re would not use the polygraph very much, sinco he recognized that if the subject was resistant the method would :not work, le also recognized that it would be necessary to have concrete evidence whioh could be used to check the findings of the polygraph.. Ho feels strongly that tho polygraph is not the auwer to all of our problems and recognized the possibility that the use of the machina would doubtlesa be:reported to Soviat offioialdo

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g. As to progran in our own Medical Division,y, beliovod that intereating information could be obtained by tho

M2. recognized the importance:to the US Ooverment for such a program as was originally contemplated in Artichoke and expressad a willingness to continuo to servgsrraas a consultant in this field. 6