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By tha Dofector.Center in Furope. 2.Druessvescribed a reccnt contact uith Dieeof
Mcol Dniversity. 3. Lrtold of having worked in colaboration with of Ono in lovebor 1950.
C. :THS ATISTRATIO3 OF T PROJECT 1.Trriiced tho question of "covor" in talking aout
tho subotance of tho project iih profcssional fricnds.
proisad to covelop ozo if Cosirabls,# 2.Dr.ts atated be tould like to estahlish an open list
or clcored consultants so tiat ho could have prcsont at any nccting
only thoss with a. sinnificant intorest or cuntribution. » 3. As phascs of tho project right requiro tho cdvico of highly
mpecialicod persons, consicoralion was civen to tlio possibility of
having certain conforcnces sot up on,a onc-tino basis. l. lr. ass areed to ran the necccsary arrencccents for tho panel r mbors to obcervo an intarrogation vhen appropriato. 5. : No corlotion dates for projoct chould bo stated umtil. tho canloto project outlins has tcen prepared.
Do SUCGESTED SPECIEIC PROJECTS FOR THE SUPPORT STIFE 1. Collection of substantive references for ovaluation by the panel in the delinoation or areas of firn lmonlodge.\* 2. Fronaration or a phart in vhich tho situations Tlly to to
fsced by en individnal were plotted acainst the kmoma dafonse. (Conditions to be spcciried be).
E.SUGGESTED AREAS OF TISTITATE ACILVETY 1. A otady of tho aonability of tho inuividual and tho detoction of an "axcnóblo typc."# 2.A thorough study of intorrogation. 3. . An eraluntion of Ue part vaich instrments can plan in such F COLCLUSTOM As the discussion drer to a close, considerltion wes given to tha dogrce of succsss tiat could ta attainede rith rospoct to tho

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dofensive aspect, tho panel. can nalo a dafinito centritation if an iaprovenntis rale in edsting nothods of resisting disclosurc. With rosccct to tho offcnsiva asrcct of cliciting infortion,' a study of carenully selccted areas ef presant inforntion and proporly designud resoarch projects will eéble us to dovelop batter tochniques.

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Comoloment of techgas but stulyof fcaaentarasd poyeutrio reastions.Tho rtter cpoars to iarront careful studyand cos cctratcd ollort inrvicr of its potential effcct on rational zecurity. Lreand Tr.on zro availablo for at least : ono éay in vich to obtain thstovor bacioicd to myto ahls to cvo thn.. It is hoeid that on tho basio of this informtiia that πill agrco that tho matter parrantsthoir continuing purticipatioa. ao penel obero.

Dres coiparcd this subjcct, at least in princinlc, nrithEl. Lo ceiced ths troup of tho intorost of tho Miroctor and his Peputy for Flans, Lr, Dlico. lo noted that tho agoscy prograz nil to broadl eni conrchonsive, involving both dozestic and over scas activities, anl takding irto conaidoration tho progreo and odicctiyes of cther Copateonte, prircipally tho ilitary sorvices.

A statrzont as to present possibilities based on firly cstablisked fccis. bei A staterent as to tho pocsibilitics of fuhuro dovolopront of tochniquçss In.es statod thet iiilo ch of tha discussion rclativo to this projcet led ioen dinisced as phantasy, practical ererionce kad shoun that crery phaso of tho probloz mas important to his offico. Ms problons mere chicmys
2 Eliciting inforationc Croes chcoidayor weriiging fnformation. Raostorius that fiold conditionu require tho sinimn of clinical proparatioi teforo oporational uso, infcrmtion is Cesirod eo to tho reans by which control may bo aoserted over an indivibal mce
4. Controlled couditions be Any conditionse Proi tho mork that has boen Cono to date, endi a cortain aoumt or Iom ficld eocrienee, it is assumcd the neans considered rill te:

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E. listed as hichly incortnt tho considaration of tha possibilities ol a banie stuly of interrocaticn ráth and vithout aids auch as te polyraph. Tis dovicc Las povea to la an czcollent ontoring todzo in that it shoua variatioas Lroa rorsal canduct. Exporiercs in intorrozation has chomn that it ia the points of variatioa fros normal condet at virich it is zost cacy to cffecta paychologicalcatry and vltinate coatrol.

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fary - lort active in this Nield. Smporting theesend eniproicata outeido of tho govurrent and the crug projoct at Tetoada idthin

Ary-Particlly sapporting theeqrojcet and having interost, tirougi cis, an interest as avddopced by work st Figood,e CanpLotrick,ad, sportingagaitto pr.aesr

Ar Farco - To Fircctorato o2 Lntelligenco (old A-2), is raintaining a policycoatrol ovor the reccarch work which has baca dologated to tho Ais ratçriel Cogrand. Tho poposo of such projects - has been to inercaco tho rosistareo to dicclcsuro vhich uo:ld bo dondd of pilots rhose nlaos fall in eany territery

Tho Aray and Air Forco ropresentativos are not as thorougly rromdod in tha projeot as tho llavy roprosontative, and it is hozod thas ill Lo naro cifectivo as tino proressese statod that tegcvss of cortain relationships that cciot, it rill bo ncccaniaer to mako contasta idth tho eistiug pojects on iriividel taseo.c

Tho qosbion mas raiced as to tho kooledgo possessed by ono military sorico ubout the projécts mcor wey in anotber. sslrsaolained thnt cro of tho main functions of tho Coordintor and Mis otafr vas to effect a noper cxhango of inforation boteen tio various arancios interestod in the project., ks tho difierent soivico repciontatives tecono nora faniliar mith thoir dntios and CIA is able to point to a cot of dafinite accomplisbronts,then the cchango al bacozo mucl aore effcctivo. In conclusion, 2y ctated that thero rera throe mrcas of projoct iutorcatt Diroct rojocto, CeE+, b.Iriirect projects-Tinsé now eristing as fondacental rescarch vich gill shçt a bearing on tho problea as they bocoro ngto s Fclatod projects -Thosa with alightly dfferent direction but having probablo by-srodncts of valuo to vo, c.s, fos pojccton políticalmerfare a.oDe On tis noint ths najor portion of tho infornation was AurnishcdbyDrest Fo hasboverycari otto dunliceto tha tetivitias zich tho indivicual Servicos lave boca monsoringe As they Lavo not been asked to initipto a prograa, tho havo confined sost of thoir wook to tho roletod field of mass infuoucing of poople, ard tho work las been doso through Chcir Dman Rosources Pel

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e-had ler wrining to start ap aa co ho ms enectinz to laava Pol. INa suiccessor is no caiting Cenate coafiratien ond vnl concilertho mttercoon.esee mill for go ±io ka a conultant for Ci:

ctated that to had bcen in toach rith Eree? sRard that tho aee LE cupport sozo nork of his, The coaont was mdo that Dre iutcrests are zostly in the Nield of Dumdazental rosoarah nd that this siould do borzo in pini in frçzing any project for kia. Ticonncction Hith tho ciscussion of cover and clasaloation, Ir.ee ctated thats à. The higbest claosificatiaa sust be placed oa anything nhich revealed tha oporations of the egeseyy b. Tho subctastive mattor of tha research, so lous as any cormoctión sith Cll is pot rovoaled, shesld to as opos as possiule Tho ducotion ino riced ao to the zcsd for tho classifcation of cortain inforzatiosrolatint to Ca, such as tha fact that tho aconey uses a polyarapl It ves pointod out that certain over-all facts about the cgcnay becozo putlien If thora was freo discussios aof the overt activitios, thactant ofcovert activities could do sasily déduced.

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A cdy of s ceablity or to inlvanl and to cotceto of mach mmuaility io meded. In evaluating tha ofrectivnress of 2s oot tho cea or aombility of to cbject is  itnt Pactr (o  to ka to it  cp bpotiata probbly hara testo Sy siici thay Coterine froa a crop of vluteers thece that will lo st qeally knnoticed).

Tcro ns eararent arornnt that oco of the bosie reds tad a throngh cvalmution or interrogation and interrogation rotbodo. The cootiaasto Lo cousiéored arar

a.tad io to lo Icarnal Eres toce cperienced ia iater

(2) Naspeor roporters,

Tho degea of cplais thet alual to placed apon covicoo mst bo decidod at an early peating or ta paral ia cutiiring its paoran Tho apeienco of thozo in tho fiold ns toen Vhas tho aalled uco of a insimzont ach as a polynah ctly foroaea tho yotoatial of an iatérrogator for Cotecting inacouracies in ststeants