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Present: Panel iiembers

A. BRIEFTHG

I. briefly described his om entry into the project.

2. z stated the prohlem. He then described the dievelopment of tlie project within the various interested components of the aency. \*

3. rg described the importance of the project to coyert operations."

4. explained other interests and objectives oi tne project.#

5. sstee liscussed the objectives and prograns of A 11

B. DISCUSSION BEARIIG ON RELATIONSHIPS WITII

that m.y be done: described the relationship of the project to nork A

These items ane elatorated upen in the attached Discussion.

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AEMORANDUN TO THE FILE

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To Accompany limutes of :ooling held 23 July.

A-1 development of teciniques hut study of fundamentaland psycniatric reactions. The matter appears to warrant, careful study and concentrated effort, in view of its notential effect on national secwrity.anetek sarc available for at least one day in wiich to obtain vhatever backgromnd we may be able to. give them. It is hoped that on the basis of this information they will agree that the matter warrants their continuing participation . as panel members.

A-2 eecompared this subject, at least in principle, aile advised the group of the interest of the Director and eeesesseeeeTile noted that the aconcy proran will be broad and comprehensive, involving, both domestic and overseas activities, and taking into consideration the prograns and objectives of other departments, principally the military services.

A-3 placed as first priority

a. A statement as to present possibilities based on finly establisied facts.

b. A statonent as to the possibilities of future dovelopment of tecluiques.

pr stated that while much of the discussion relative to tlis project had been disaissed as plantasy, practical expcrience had shom that every phase of the problem was important to his office. lis problems were chiefly: .

a.Eliciting information.

b. Cross checking or verifying information.

Remcmbering that field conditions require the minimun of clinical preparation before operational. use, infommation is dosired as to the means by which control may be asserted over an individual wndur:

a.Controlled conditions.

b. Ay conditions.

From the work thaf. hns boon done Lo date and a certain amount of low field experience, it is assumed the means considered will be:

DISCUSSTOI1

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2. Drugs

b.Hiypnosis

c. A combination of a. and b. above.

He urged the panel, howcver, not to linit itself to thc consideration of only popular techniques, but to review any means which will give results.

listed as highly inportant the consideration of the possibilities ol a basic study of interrogation with and vrithout aids such as the polygraph. This device has proven to be an excellent entering wedge in that it shows variations from normal conduct. Experience in interrogation has shor that it is the points of variation fron normal conduct at which it is most easy to effect a psychological entry and ultimate control.

Aerersess also discussed the quostion of induction of defection and the fact that there have been some notable Tsesa successes. The concensus of opinion was that there were many Tactors not directly related to the project which had a bearing on defection. (The possible success of the zsein sone of the objectives desired by etstpsstebelow), were considered.)

sses aclnowledged the need for eliciting and verifying infonmation, and stressed the prnhlen of asserting control under varied conditions. liormal interrogation noimally presupposed that the person is under our control for a certain period of time. lie would like to know for his office, however, if it is possible to assert control vithout removinc a person from his normal contacts. Under such conditions the person could be made to roport back for further indoctrination or receipt of commands at a later and less conspicuous opportunity.

secsrstated that he was armre that some success had been obtained with post hpnotic suggostion; however, this had been frequently done wnder lahoratory conditions, The problem of assertion of control under actual field conditions might therefore require a wholly new avenue of approach.

stressed thedefencive aspects of the probiem stating that they were primarily interested in:

a. Deinc able to be certain that they had complete future control of their om agents.

b. Breaking the control which an eneny might have over agents which fall into our hands.

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A-5 described the intercst of the AB follows:

ye-lost active in this ficld. Supporting theeoee projects outside of the government and the drug project at rithin.

-Particlly supporiingtheproject and having interest, throuchan interest ás evidenced by work at myand supportingarant to

cezis maintaining: a policy control over the research work whiich ias been delegated to the The purpose of such projects has been to increase the resistance to disclosure wiich would be demanded of pilots rlose planes fall in eneny territory.

rs.tpyiepscexteerepresentativesare not as thorougily Crounded in the project as theter epresentative, andi it is hoped thoy vill be more cffective as time proresses.sissrsss stated that because of certain relationsiips that exist, it will bo necessary to make contacts with the existing projects on individual bases.

The question was raised as to the knowlodge' possessed by one about the projects under way in another. erey Pexpiained that one of the main functions of tier ia and his staff vas to effect a proper exchange of.infonatiou botween the various€ pntcrested in the project. As the different representatives hecome more familiar with thoir duties and CIA is able to point to a set of definite accomplisluments, When the exchange will becoine much more. effective,

In conclusion, stated that there wer'e three areas of project interest:

a. Direct projects, e.g., sa

b. Indirect projects - Those now oxisting as fwdanental researcli which will show a bearing on thie problcmn as they become lgorm to us.

e. lelated projects - Thoso vith slightly difforent direction but having probable by-products of value to us, e.C.freead project on political. warfaro.

a.eson this noint the major porlion of the information was furnisned byssrsereeres has boon vory caroful. not to duplicate the activitics which tne indivirual. Jhave been sponsoring. As they have not been asked to initiate a program, they have confined most of their work to the relatod field of mass influencing of people, and the work las boen done through their

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rehad beon wwilling, to start a propran as he was expecting to leave\*llis successor is now avaiting Senate confirmation and will consider the natter soon. hill for some time be a consultant for CIA.

b. Relations withw has obtained the following information relative toar Research and Development:

There is no fonal understanding betwecn

2. Thore is no existing program in eraat the present time.

3. There will be one.

h. Wc may expect inquiries from the jas to our progress.

C. describedhis visit there and stated tiat they wcre apparently doing very well for a newly established organization. le hoped that close operational liaison will be established, as that is one of the best passible sources of subjects.

stated that he had been in touchi witi und that the

support some work of his. The coament was made that/ interests aro mostly in the field ofl fundanental resnarch and that this should be borne in mind in franing any project for him.

In connection vith the discussion of and classilication, Nrtsstated that;

, a. The highest classification must be placed on anything whieh revealed tho operations of the agoncy.

b.The substantive matter of the research, so long as any connection rriti CIà is not revealed, slould be as open as possiblc.

Tie qucstion wis raised as to the noed for the classification of certain informaliou rclatine to CIA, such as the fact tiat thc acency uses a polylraph. It was pointed out that ccrtain over-all facts about the agency becone public. If thore was freo discnssion of the overt activitios, the extent of covert activities could bo easily deduced.

raisod the qucstion of the clearance of who he desired to have as consultants.

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1-1 . Possitle sourcos ol uscful inlormation:

a. Thereport on drug" prepared at during the war.

b. Other rcports as availablc on tecluiques for selecting and evaluating personnel based on provious (World War II), covert operations.

c. Personnel selection , records or metlods of:

(6) Other

d. The work of

e. teprojects; those related to our interest.

f,olated research projects of thg and thet

G. References used by the following authors on:

(1) Basic physiology:

(2) Publications on liypnosis and suggestion througi narcosis Uy:

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A study of the amennhility of the intividual. and the deteetion of such anenability is ncede. i: ovaluatiny: tho offectiveness of any nethod tho degree of amenalility of the subjoct is an iaportant factor. (There nust be keys to it as stage hypnotists probably have tests by vhich thoy dotermine from a group of volunteers those that will be most casily hypnotized).

Thero was apparent acreement that ono of the basic neods was a thorough evaluation of interrogation and intorrogation methods. The questions to lic considered are:

a. Wuat is to be learned fron those experienced in interviewing, sucii as:

(1) Clinicians

(2) Newspaper reporters.

b. ltow do.r.und Anerican methods compare?

C. Ilor does the attitude of the interrogator affect the results?

The degree of emphasis that shall be placed upon devices aust be decided at an carly mecting; of the panel in outlining its program. The exporicnco of those in the field has been that the skiiled use of an instruent such as a polygraph trcaily incroasen the potential ol an interrogator for detocting inaccuracies in statements.