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Under instructions of thé Chier or L&S, the B. team of and the writer visited Abetween the F period 1l January and 24 January l951 and partcipated in the interrogation of an individual as the request of officea:of1 the FROBLEM

. Subject was interrogated ah grent length after his arrest by officers of this agency but Subject gave no potanent details and furnished only information which appeared to befalse and evasive.

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puk Fer dasic suppositions therefore presented themselves for solution:

(A) Waa the subject insane?

(9) Was the entire situation

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() Was the entire situation a well worked out plan to ferr7A,N money (or services) by fraud?

(D) Was the entire situation.legitimate?

Stemmuing from the above suppositions were many colateral questions or proolems amrng wkeile nere thn frllrvineg

(A) How did subject obtain his technical information?

(B) What was the present situation and whereabouts regatding all individuals involved?

(E) Exact and minuter description of the instruments involved. Ett. Since direct interrdgation had not produced full answers or explanations for the above, the B toam was sy briefed on the case and subject was made avaulable for, 1ciquć5. 33

Technical Operaticns

MESSA? Subject was iriterrogated by B. team members and and H upon three dccasions 15 Jan, 16 Jan, and l8 Jan. By previous agreement a polygrpph test was used as cover for E. techniques in each instante Subject was informed that the writer was going to retest subject on the polyeraph to'confirm certain previous statements. After machine was set Lup,two (fake) tests were made and these tests showed a "narowars condition" on the part of the subject.Wa, who had, imediately prior to the /) polygraph test, checked subjects physicial condition was theq called in agiin

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and prescribed a "hemde" to "quiet subjects ncrves" to insure a better polygraph test. This Ubromide" was infact acC of sodiuna amytol. Writer than talked to subject and began preparations for another polygraph test untilamytol took effect and subject-wenttozslsep.

Note- Medical report covers this pheasjhas.. 1 2 In general,esgh-interndgetion-used the above, cover, to start the in each nliarreatin wt.d operation,only minor details varied in interrugations of the-l6th and lsth.

The entire body of the interrogations was recorded inder rarg ) wiRe supervision using vtee and tape recorders with microphone held by writer close to the subjects mouth.

Note- See technical report attached submitted by?A Case Details:

First Interrogation (15 Jan l95l) By agreement with,agency personnel  concerned, the fárst interrogation
1 was armedat general inforaation and testing of the subjetts responses and behavior pattern underg Length of the actual interrogation was about r).
1 hour. In general,undersubject restated his basic story concerning the individuals and instruments involved; how this orginal situation came about; what various moves he had made; etc. etc. Subject also described br- the. (os. in general detail principals involved in therá present and future activities msttweaeo, instruments, locations. Subject futharmore discussed his whereabouts diuring the period from mid-August l950 to about the middle of December 1950 rith ) N

Subject gave some other information both extraheous and directly related to the instant case. Interrdgation was concluded with subject graduaily fading into sleep and unable to sustain intelligent conversation. 2

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Second Intarrogation (16 Jan 1951)

'The second interrogation was aimed at a more specific development of the "new" and reported statements given by the subject in the first interrogation. AASCLICICAtONd In general subjects story remained the same with some of details regarding previous activities, locations, individuals and other matters both
é potinent and extrateous.ik f 1 (ed) Third (final) Interrogation (18 Jan 1951)

Note- Interrogation of subject was postponed one day (16 to l8 Jan) to -2 give all individuals ccncerned an opportunity to review the irformation obtained, to secure replies and instructions from Xashingtion to cables S5-ond sent regarding the first and séens interrogations; and to pcrmit full "recovery" on the part of the Subject to thetechniques. 3

By agreement with all agency personnel concerned and in response
to certain Washingtonninstruotions, the Third Interrogation was aimed istitunac
at securing.specific, detailed and exact information concerning individuals and instruments involved in thès case. In this connection subject was questioned,in minute detail concerning the instruments involved, (size, color, shape, weight, construction, operatioo, principlès, distribution, protection, manufactures, use, parts, replacements, transpcrtatiori etc. etc.).
. Subject was also questioned at greet length concerning the principälsinvolved and details weraobtained regarding their exact physicàlldescriptions, individual behavior patterns, eccentricities, πannerisms, manner ef dross,
use of language, intelléctual capacity, motives etc. etc. In atidition some other detailed inforration wasobtained but because of subjects physical
• condition. (See Medical Report) this interrogation was concluded rapidly amd before all the desired information could be secured.

Nste - Thanrnh n of the wike and Tofe Recandinys dee harng prepused,