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MC Conoronc - 16 Ai1 1953

1. 0n Onrséey, 16 April 29:3 botroan 2:00 end h00 1, a conforonce on ATiCis was held in the 9 Conferonco Roon, 2010 i Puing. rrosont ab ths conerence woroi ce recontis o dcal a,rosenting to Dlectors 0co and 0 aad

3. Pollarne copord, thoro was a conoral cioenasion by all honds concarning tho aoo of this croa for rosoarch and testirg in tho Aricues vozk. in gonoral, the discussien soonod fevorablo cnd all hends apeed that a croat deal of vork yas rocesoary and it was essontial to find an area uhers larce mmlors os bodies wsald to usoc for rosoareh and crperinontation. quite cortain a nuber o poychiatrists all ovor tho Unitod dates would le villin to toot nw erugs, eoceially dugs thet aroct the nind. evorel othors presend sbatod thero vere fcandations, lahoratorios, ete. that vould tost nv cags. ll presont cgroed thas tho uicor tho tostins the bottor tho chanees of succoss.

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5. Folowingt, sezra reported on tho devel nent of the facilities and laboratories of the U. S. Departme. of Agriculteze both at Beltsville and Washington for future use in connectien with of Agriculture had been enlisted to speed up the bringing in to the United States various botanicals for the ARTICHOKE pregrarn and the Department of Agriculture had given fine co-operation in this conrection.

6. ea then spoke of the conference with E and certain specialists in the Food and Drug Adrinistratic: and how full co-operation had been promised by these individuals. sredescribed the various laboratories and testing facilities of the Food and Drug Administration that would be made available to the ARTICHOKE work when and if necessary.

7. At this point, there was a general discussion corcerning the problem of the returning POWs from Korea. s gave a detailed description of the problem to that point and told of the ARTICHOKE efforts to assist in the interrogation of the returnees. All hands agreed that the "hard core" group and those who had been successfully indoctrinated were excellent subjects for ARTICHOkE work but it was the general opinion of those presant that owing to publicity and poor handling, the ARTICHOKE techniques could nc: proevery effort in this connection and pointed out that he knew all the Surgeon Generals personally and was endeavoring to fully acquaint them with the possibility of ARTICHOKE use in connection with the returnees.

pw of the Medical Stafi on his research ci the hypospray and related instruments. This paper, which covers in deta and various devices and problems in connection with the ase of the hypospray, reflects as a conclusion that at the present time the hypospray does not appear to be useful for the ARTICHCKE work. in touch with the entire field and any new developments along these lines will be studied to see if they have an ARTICHOKE interest.

pointed out that the individual known as "Explosive" had been dropped from any possible operational use and that the civision that controlled his future activities were preparing to turn him

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10. sary then stated that he had recently been in touch with Senator Lodge (U. S. Representative a: the Uniter Nations) and Senator Lodge had shown a great interest in the potentiality of the Chinese and Soviet use of "brain washing"as a propaganda weapon fe: use by the United States at the United Nations' sessiors. Senator Lodge stated he was seeking a very dramatic word which would indiczte horror and would condemn (by its sound) Soviet practices of attackin people's minds. stated that he had mentioned use of the word "impermissible means" as a combination of words to be used by Senator Lodge since the Soviets themselves had widely used these words in connection with the recent release of the doctors who had been charged with poisoning Soviet officials.

l.  gave a brief report on spire-oxy-barbiturate which he was having tested. He stated that, to date, results have been disappointing but work in this connection will continue.

e then suggested, in view of the widespreai interest of the ARTICHOKE group and the fact that the ARTICHOKE pregram of necessity continually moves in operational channels, that an OPS man of senior rank, possibly attached to the office of DDP stated this man should have sufficient authority to discuss the ARTICHOKE work with high level OPS people and stated hs should also have sufficient knowledge of operations to understard the in this connection. All agreed this was avery sound idea.

13. The meeting adjourned at approximately 4:00 PM after Thursday, 2l May 1953 had been agreed upor as the time of the next meeting. This meeting to start as usual at 2:00 PM arć to be held in the SO Conference Room.

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