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ARTICHOKE Conforence, 21 Hay 1953

1. 0n 21 1y 1953, Thurrdey, botseen 2:00 and 4:00 P, an Ai-ChOKs Confoenco uas held in tho SO Conference Roon, 2060 I Buiidinz. reoresentin the edical Stef; roprucenting the Director's Cifice and 0sl; andassosrese representing TS3.

2.  oponed the Conforanco by discussins the porticipatlon of the .echnical Ir noh of 5o in tho intsrro : tion of tho roturing Horern FC.is at Valley Fergo.  stated that extroms pressure of public opinion both on ths military servicss ani on Congress had intersored tith a well torked-out propran in consotion th the t0is. lie stated, houaver, that this igency krd urnishei su Jyort in tho for of teckniori euipzent to G-2 of the Ary uho aotually handlod the roturned FOs.  ststed tht he had hid conforences vith G-2 of tha Aro end roprosentatives of tho Surnoon Gansra's Office and thiat zlthoogh thore had bean somo discussion as to pocsible use of sodiun aptal rni pentothal, this had been ralsd out coapictekr by the Surgeon General's Orfise.

3. then pointed cut thst he hed briefed L in very general ters on "Sorani" but since al roturnees in Valoy Forge wore held in ons werd, tho uos of tris cherionl hod bsen rulod out bacause of the long end cbvious poriod of hrnpover. ssrt stated thrt thare was littls chence of usiny the Aarfcox: csonicuss on the returnsos. le statei thet after tho foir drys spent st iValler Forge, the nen sould so on lesve for thirty deys ani return to the nearost Yeteran's loscital vhare they voull be ciseharged. Jo ststed thera ves a sliht possibillty of sone "spot" intorrotions then. cert-in of the men raturned but that touid be solaiy uoon the requcst of C-2 tnd would probably Ls too vell controlied fer advinsed AICEs techniques.

4. aetas stated thst, in general, the interrozetions ked turned up orly five returnces. vho rigit co classified as "hardcore" and that G-2 vould probrbly bandlc these cases on a senauhat sicforent basis cithough the det:ils have not been worked out at this tine.

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5. A general discussion felloxed cene rning tha interrogatkan. of tho roturnees znt it uas eureel that the intorror: tions vould not probabl bo too cisetivo sinco thoro vero too nany handicaps to cse tho ARTIciE technicues er even hndic extonsivo interroztions in tho convention:l uay.

6. p Cen statos thnt sp lnd perticipatod in the debricfing of esaantkta returnco froa Xoroa Lho had boon picked up in the early days or the uar, cnd steted thero wore a aunbor ofsuspicions regeriin pcnd tit aspvould follou the ca50.

7. S oxaleinod thet the projects at r and Rakmspzmaeemehad beon dolcyed bocause of the ful. invosti. gations on the persons irvolved. In checking the a personnoie it vas founi tht eno person vas the subject of an Ol invostirtion and until this is cioarei up our project couid not be startod. Eoma cxolcined thct c also ran irto problons at the exsaseresppa ez in connection vith key perconnel for the AR.lc.OkE projset proposed thero.

8. memas thon discussed the conforoncos tht endhinseliedatteiedE at the eticnal Institaie o5 Heslin st Psthesda, rarylena.r. Lena pointed out thct ca rspsca wore exrenoly co-opotive and prorised support both in roosrch cni actual processins of eruds naterials s nacecsor. e stited thet the contccting or ARiIco  progren in d cch cnd to insure that all possiblo avenues and fields were being ciqlored in this connection.

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10. Following this, wweey discussed a pi, er concerning the use of drugs against key U.S. officials overscas that had been prepared for delivery by the Dircctor to the Psychological Strategy Board. This paper was prepared bySeekwass, Esas, Dr, Gotlieb ands aseeand had been delivered to the Director and, as far asesz knew, it had been given to the Psychological Strategy Board.

11. Following this,  stated he had talked with iof DDP concerning a representative to attend all ARTICHOKE Confcrences.s stated that this was under consideration and, in the immediate futurc, DDP would be represented at all conferences.

12. then brought up the subject of the Sidctone Delay device and he andc discussed the recent conferences betveen representatives of ONR,  of Chicago and andof this Agency. e  stated, in the immediate future, mrwas bringing the completed Sidetone Delay device with all related material to Washington which would, after routine processing by ONR, then be delivered to this Agency. then stated that mand a groups would study the device and then turn it over to TSS for their study to see if further investigation and research is warranted.

13. There was a general discussion by all hands op possible use of supersonics in connection with various ARTICHOKE problems. m pointed out that research is now being carried out in this direction and, in the immediate future, some specifically directed research would be held in connection with the affects of super or ultra-sonic sound on human beings. e stated that this matteris waiting upon certain security clearances for development.

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15. Following this, Hyeaastated that he uad recently received information via G-2 that an East Gcrman scientist had succceded in devcloping a new virus or nutation of a virus whicho regarded as very imporiant if true. ae stated that lie had vcry littlc dctail in this conncction but his information indicated that the virus was possible of the anthrax type.

16. The meeting adjourned at approximately 4:00 PM after Thursday, 18 June 1953, had been selected as the time.of the next mecting. It was agreed that the meeting would be held as usual at 2:00 PM in the SO Conference Room.

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