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SUEJECT: Conversation with Dr. Willis Gibbons.of ISS re Olson Case

I', All LSD is in Gibbons' safe for.which he only has conbination.

2. Preparing cables to field to find-out who has custody and access. Atsugi and Manila. Issuance done only with Gibboas or Orua's concurrence and use only with DD/P·approval. Bullize wanted sork broadened to include biological as veli as chenical.

3. Man in Bureau of Narcotics has some. Has good access tc :riminal types in N. Y.--George White--expert for Kefauver Commissisn ind close friend of Halley. Now out. of town. Got it fron us.

4. Grants-in-aid to Dr. Harold Abranson, 133 East 58:h. Dr. :obert Hyde, Boston Psychopathic Hospital.  U. S. Public Service (ospital, Lexington, Kentucky (Dr. Harriss Isbell). Dr. Carl Pfeifier, epartment of Pharmacology, University of Illinois, School of Mecicine, hicago. Lilly has been trying to wake it. Another trying by radisctive to see what part .of body it works on.. These are top secret leared. Got grant from a foundation to work through. Is overt. se oluntary subject. Give us reports. Would go on normaliy but we nsure it does. Abramson is a psychiatrist and his people are bnorpal. Rest are norgal.

5. Acquisition. Not classified as narcotic--organic chemical. on't purchase it--because an experimental can't be sold in U. S. as been doled out by Sandoz Co. of Basle. With one exception LS⊃ as been given to us--Gottlieb and Lashbrook. Eli Lilly ard Co. has iven us some.

. 6. Correspondence and memoranduz. Have file cabinet drawer ull. Don't believe any reports addressed to Agency. DD/F has oae emo on subject. Gottlieb's trip to Far East.. Mentioned iz repozts of onthly progress-- is pseudo.

7. Lashbrook (ISS), Hughes (OP), Gottlicb (TSS),. Alfzed Ul=er ;I), Harold Cooper (Pp) all have had it. De Florez, Gibboas, Drum id Roosevelt all know about it. Also Wisner, Helms, Barnes and Scott id Field of the I & R Staff.

8. Gottlieb had discussed use of something of this type with :perts from Caap Dietrich and they had all agreed that an unwitting :periment would be desirable. The LSD was given to all of the ten : the camp except Walinovsky (who doesn't drink) and one other who s a heart condition, both of Camp Dietrich. About.20 ninutes -aite: ving the dose, Gottlieb told then what they had been gives. They 1 agreed that it was an interesting experinent and there vas no verse comuent. Only after Olson cozzitted suicide was there any action adversely to the experiment itself.

9. According to Cibbons, Olson has a history of mental disrbances. Last sunmer he apparently told his wife that he vas upsct d she suggested he see a doctor. He objccted to being zaie diyisien icf because of a fcar he couldn't do the job, and after receivizg e job shortly thercafter asked to be relieved. On the Mozday llowing the experimcnt hc told Col. Ructte that he expected to be red or asked to resign. He then went up to Ncw York with Lashbrook d saw Dr. Abraason. After several trips betvcen New York and

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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

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lashington, Abramson finally came to the conclusion that Olson' should ;o to the Chestnut lill Sanitariuo. On Friday night, Noveober 27, ilson at dinner with Lashbrook in New York appcared to be completely :ational and discussed the time they would have to get up in the lorning to get the train, etc.

Lyman B. Kirkpatrick Inspećtor General