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Subject: SI and H Experimentation, 3 October 1951.

and the writer On 3 October 1951, conducted experiments in SI and H in Rooms 20 and 5, Building 13. and The subjects were

In view of the controversial behavior of and n their straight work and their post hypnotic, it was decided to again proceed along standard lines and continue the experimentation.involving these.individuals. It was also agrced had reached a much greater depth and a that since&. i more consistent performance, she could be used as a balance against the activities of the others.

The first test tried was a very slow routine induction into an SI state by vith a simple post hypnotic. In thistest, apparently all individuals were successful and to all outward appearances, obtained a deep sleop state and responded to the post hypnotic suggestion of sleep. This test involved approximately fifteen minutes of time.

The second test was begun with all thrce subjects placed in a Was told to open her eyes deep SI state and thereafter nd to Room 3 and proceed while asleep with while the other subjects maintained their sleep state. In this connection it is the ovinion of the writer and hoth Messrs when she left the room, was not in and thatr a trance state. It should further be noted that both xstated that they had heard the instructions to and although theyhad been specifically conditioned not to hear same by the writer.

"hen proceeded with Messxr to Room 3 and she was there given sleep instructions and post hypnotic instructions for approximately 20-25 minutes. In addition to the instructions regarding sleep, the post hypnotic sugattempted to discover what block gestions were given. a complete carrying mechanism was interfering with out of the SI instructions. This exploratory work was not entirely Belt that successful and whereas both Messrs her activities still they had made some progress with appear to be controversial and erratic.

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During the period that T LWas with in Room 3, the writer remained with Fand Fand after s-departure awakened them. It was decided that the writer would try several simple post hyonotics with and and in these efforts, was usually successful and ronly partially so. In this nnection it appears that is progressing and that actions are questionable particularly as far as post hypnotic suggestions go. It should also be noted that the writer felt again that was engaging in some "play acting".

Upon return and after a brief discussion,,all subjects were again placed ina deep trance and this timc twentssithe to Room 3 while rand remained with in the Operations Room.

it is believed, went to the other room (Room 3). in a trance state although this cannot be positively determined. However, upon arrival in Room 3 and upon instructions to fall immediately asleep, she did specifically this. "and the writer tried numerous post hypnotic suggestions with. Idoes"not In general, these were successful although react in the normal manner and attempts rationalization for all acts in which.she engages. Both Fand the writer observed seyeœening when she attempted to reach "normal that activity" again created the impression of "play acting". Duning was wit and the writer, working primarily with attempted to create a deep was SI state in both subjects. Again activities successful with her efforts but again were controversial.

After perhaps 15-20 minutes of such efforts, allsubjects were assembled again in the Operations Room, placed under SI, and all post hypnotic suggestions were removed with precautionary instructions given.

- COMMENT:

The evening's work did -notz answer the questions concerning and Both again acted in a controversial manner and both apparently are engaging in "nlay acting" whether unintentional or otherwise. on the other hand appears to have developed a good capacity for the SI work as demonstrated in her very high record in the post hypnotics, etc.

Based on ther sirtswabove, it is obvious that both will require a great deal of inten Sive efforts belore they have reached a true somnambulistic state and can carry out advanced experimentation.