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To: Files Subject: SI and H Experimentation (25 September 1951)

wand the writer conducted On 25 September 1951, and SIand H experimentation with assubjects. ofTuesdav18

In view of the successful experimentation of Tuesday, 18 it was decided and
September 1951 with
to continue experiments along more or less related lines during
this session. However, prior to actually beginning the more com
plex experiments, several simple post H were worked with both of
the girls participatingn In this connection, it is. interesting was capable on each test tried
to note that whereas was unable to do
of producing the desiredrpost H effect,
so. No explanation was offered for this, but it should he noted and the writer did not, make con
for the record that tinuous and sericus efforts to produce the desired effect for these simple post H tests. simpe ys.. n ae fol The first major experiment of the evening wasset up as fol for
lows without previous explanation to either
child. Both subjects were placed in a very deep trance state and
while in this state, the following instructions were given: akoned was instructed that when she awakened, (A) room. She was told that while
she was to procede to
there, she would receive a telephone call from an individual
whom she would know only as "Joe". This individual would en
gage her in a normal telephone conversation. During this
conversation, this individual wouldgive her a code word and would go into a deep
upon mentioning the code word,
SI trance state but would be "hormal" in appearance with her was then told that upon the conclusion
of the telephone conversation, she would procede to the ladies room where she would meot a girl who was unknown to her. She was told that she would strike up a conversation with this girl:and during the conversation she would mention the code
word"New York" to this other girl who, in turn, would give hera devica apd further instructions which were to be. carried She was told that after she carried out the outby instructions, oho wasto return to the Operations loom, sit on tho sofa and go immediately into,a deep sleep state.

Fas instructed:that upon awakening, (D) 'room where she would wait at the she would procade to dosk for a telophone,call.Upon roceiving the call, a person known as"Jim"wouldrengage beriin normal convorsation. During the course of,tho convorsation, this individual would mention whan ohe heard this code word a code word. to

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she would pass into an SI'trance state, but would not close her eyes and remain porfectly normal and continue the telephone conversation. She was told that thereafter upon conclusion of the telephone conversation, she would then carry out the following instructions:

being in a complete SI state at this time,was then told to open her eyes and was shown an electric timing device. She was informed that this timing device was an incendiary bomb and was then instructed how to attach and set. the device. After had indicated that she had learned how to set and attach the device, she was told to return to a sleep state and further instructed that upon concluding the aforementioned conversation, she would take the timingdevice which was in a briefcase and procede to the ladies room. In the ladies room, she would be met by a girl whom she had never seen who would identify herself by the code word "New York". After identifying herself, is then to show this individual how to attach and set the timing device and further instructions would be given the individual by that\_the timing device was to be carried in the briefcase to room, placed in the nearest empty electriclight plug.and concealed in the bottom, left-hand drawer of desk, with the device set for 82 seconds and turnéd on. was further instructed to tell this other girl that as soon as the device had been set and turned on, she was to take the briefcase, leave room, go to the operations room and go to the sofa and enter a deep sleep state. eWas further instructed that after completion of instructing the other girl and the transferring to the other girl of the incendiary bomb, she was to return at once to the operations room, sit on the sofa, and go into a deep sleep state.

For a matter of record, immediately after the operation was begun it was noted that a member of the charforce was cleaning the flpor in the ladies room and subsequently, both and had to he placed at once again in a trance state and instructions changed from the ladies room to Room 3.

It should be noted that even with the change of locale in the transfer point, the experiment was carried off perfectly without any difficulty or hesitation on the part of either of the girls. Each girl acted out her part perfectly, the device was planted and set as directed and both girls returned to the operations room, sat on the sofa and entered a deep sleep state. Throughout, their meovements were easy and natural and the member of the charforce and the guard were, to all intents and purposes, completely unaware of what was taking place although they could clearly observe the movements of and

Before the girls were awakened ther were given instructions

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wasunable to recall any of the incident, except going to the desk iny room before the experiment was completely under way: However had partial recall of some of the incidents that transpired.

The entire experiment from original instructions to conclusion consumed twenty-seven minutes and it should be noted for the record that at the conclusion of the experiment, did not completely respond to instructions to awaken and, hence, was returned to a sleep state and reawakened. Foth suhjects were, of course, "cleared" of all post H words, etc. in the experiment before awakening.

This long and rather complex exporiment was regarded by and the.writer as being successful, although partial recall of some of the incidents was not according to instructions, but it should be remembered that emory in such matters has continually been remarkable and she has remembered from week to week, numbers which she had memorized considerable time before.

The second major experiment of the evening concerned the proposition of whether or not individuals of normal and proper training, background, and teaching would commit an act which they would not, under normal circumstances, do. This experiment was carried on as follows:

Both subjects were placed in a deep SI state and were instructed that they were to procede, when awakened, to the laboratory and sit at the desk and wait for a telephone call. Each girl would be called in turn and would be given a code word. Upon completion of the telephone call, the girls were told that they would procede to the operations room where they would find a man lying on the sofa who had nassed out from drinking or was drugged and was possibly asleep. It. was further explained to them that this man' had been picked up in a local har and brought here to this room. They were instructed that they were to enter the room as quietly as possible, approach the individual, making certain they did not awaken him, and examine his clothing and determine if he carried a wallet. They were told that if the individual carried a wallet, they.were to rcmove the wallet from this person and immediately and quietly leave the room. They were told further that they were to deliver the wallet to or swgo would,be waiting in the darkroom and after that, they were told that they would return to the desk, put their heads down, and go into a deep sleep. In each case, after the girls' were called on the phone and given the designated code word,"they went to the operations room and removed a wallet first from and theg tho acted as bodiesin. the,instant:case. Both girls were under

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:observation at all times in the act of removal and hoth moveri very cautiously in a very.deft manner and removed the item as instructed.

This experiment is regarded by and the writer as being successful, althougil as in all these experiments, it must be borne in mind that a possihility exists that the subjects realize that the experiments are nothing more than this and are not in fact actual operations, although by instructing and by wording, every effort. has been made to convince the subjects when theyare in the SI state that these are actual operations. The word experiment or test is never used under any circumstances when the operations are being carried out.

For a matter of record and of interest is the fact that at the conclusion of this experiment, which ran about twenty-two minutes, refused to awakened as instructed and it was necessary to return her to a trance state and again awaken her before she hecane fully awake. Furthermore, for a matter of record, it should be noted that again in this case, Shad a complete amnesiafor the activity whereas although instructed to have complete amnesia, had a partial recall of events.