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Subject: SI and H Experimentation, 23 October 1951.

On Tuesday, 23 October l951, SI and H experiments were carried on in Building13, Room 20, with and as subjects.

It was decided that some experimentation should again be carried out along the lines of obtaining information from individuals who were under full SI influence. Accordingly, all present'discussed the matter thoroughly and it was agreed that one of the best possible tests that could be done easily would be an attempt to obtain from and the combination of the safes that had been entrusted to their saiekeeping. To begin the experiment, the writer very emphatically briefed and that under no circumstances would they divulge the Safe combination to anyone asking for it regardless of how the approach was made.Thereafter, both subjects were induced into a deep SI state by hen tried by every direct approach that he could make to obtain from the subjects the combinations of the safes,but in each effort he was totally unsuccessful. In addition, attempted to secure this information from the subjects but his results were also unsuccessful.

COMMENT:

In this connectionfor matter of record, it should be noted that both and attempted directly toobtainthe safe iumbers using both the direct command and a number of gersuasive bit direct apprbaches. Since these were unsuccessful, tnd and the writer agree that the next efforts along these lines will be made indirectly possibly using a method of creating hallucinations or by a concealed telephone approach or some other method of. more subtle type.

The concluding part of the evening's work consisted of obtaining a total catalepsy in both and These experiments were entiroly successful and a total catalepsywas reached to such an extent each girl was capable of heing expended between two chairs in a test method. It should be noted in connection with the above that a total catalepsy had also heen reached bye. in another; experiment conducted several days previously.

Since the first experiment of the evening had consumed a considerable amount of time, no further tests were made during:this session.

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