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Asat. Deputy Dirootor (Admin), I&s A Asaistant Direotor lor. Sciontifid Intelligence

ofth hold a cooktail party at his hane on the evaning of 23 Aprll to introduce andas These gentlemen are in the city primarlly for.a moeting called by bout analytical detectionequipment. Among the guegto rere Duringthe informalconver Bationo, Eskod to have threo or four mimutes for privato convergation,and we retired. to the library.

F.asked what was happening in CIA on the. subject very olose to his heart of spocial interrogation methods; said that he 'had heard from somebody in CIa, probably fron one of,the covart shops thatjt Thad assumed leadarship of: the progran.Fe saidthat if Oll did not plan to dovalop the progras acgressively, hefelt it was ao'moartant that he was planning to take personal stopa within the I told hin of the solection of and asked if hep would be willing to talk ith and mysel The anower was.in the affirmative.I also asked yif he felt that the first thing that ahould be done in this program wus to put out a word of. warning to thio Fon tho defonsive aspects, and,if so, what surt of warning should be given. lle said that he would like:to think about it and would be glad to talk about it at the tise that Banbin.

onas been torecentl, perhaps on tro trips, and kowa sonething about the mothods that the Lare using for uniforued personnel. He koows of no.use.of drugs or hypnosis, but has roccived repol on the use of duress. He soys thatithere are forual. subjects. reporto on the

withyour conourrenco Iwill as to talk with early in the program. I am sure that would appre ciate any briefing that you may wish to give hin about the Bcope of. thase conversations

5. On an entirely different subject, and divorced fron tho conver eation witit have you iven any thoueht to the progran that should be plannod for. the debriafing o should he becoma available in the naar future?