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INCEASSIFIED □ USTE ONLY

CONFIDEN..AL

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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

SUBJECT: Mecting of the Committee

1. The Comnittee met on 2s May 1969 in. roo 2E08 at 10:30 a.m. Present were:

2. The Chairman yielded the meeting to who. had prepared.a presentation by the on non-lethal weapons and animal prograns, mainly related to Jmatters. First, introduced ,Iwho was to talk on non-lethal weapons.

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3. Mr. said on thc basis of scveral needs for non-lctlal weapons for uscs all the vay fron crowd control to thc specific one of imobilizing a single man for capturc and qucstioning, three different routcs have bcen followed: /microvaves, sound, and light? After looking over the alternatives, it was felt thatlight) was the preierred coursc. The' precise requirement had originated in\_ and had come through

4. Lir. said experiments with microwaves shoved that it took too long a time to incapocitatc someone. In the use of a number of different proposals have been examined including "sound" yhich cannot be heard by the human ear, and an Pdiscussed by a Frenchuan. Ail of these efforts lead to the conclusion that an excessive amount of power is needed. The same problem of power comes up in.électrically sourced light

5. The route chosen bylis light provided by The idea is to temporarily blindla man vithout doing permanent damage. Mr.
then showed a film of experiments undertaken by the, with pilots. The test compared duration with Ipersonnel. The tests showed that the immobilization would only be possible in the is now letting a small contract based on the 'use of 7 They will pick out two or
three\_ of the nost promising possibilities as demonstrated on a range and try to cone up vith a usoble size of package (breadbox size). Results would be compared with what has already been developed in laboratory studies.

G. During a brief discussion that followed it was brought out that during World War II work had been done on trying to.\_ 1 is vorking on Tightl Sound has not been washed out conpletely and work is being done on it.

7. Bezore turning the, floor over to, on
his aninal progran, discussed work that had
becn done on dogs to determine what could be done to
deter them in their search activity directed against Various efforts to neutralize the

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dogs have been unsuccessiul so\_. Thas tried to find out vhac it is about nen that dogs Smell. Elinination tests indicate that it is the

í which thcy can sense:. On this basis a small project has becn set up! Tusing four German Shephord dogs in an erfort to deter tracking. Ir this should rail, work will then be undertaken at Vwhere' thehas a dog breeding progran Soing.

8. Taiso ccmmented that the have an extcnsive cog-trainins progran. To a question from the comnittee, Isaid one or the men vho was vorkingon the old cog project at jis working with hin on this project.

9. Ithen intrcduced the\_project P exanining the feasibility of trcining He explained the project is a joint effort J D The Agency provides ranagenent of the program and support through

l0. Although the project has been studied for some time, as of l liay a new contract was signed with the {which is

Shooting for a i969 objective of positive guidance capability.for T At, the present time the capability is Jare undergoing,

training,! Yare being used for' Vexperimental work. For training, food is the primary reinrorcement, but the human elenent is still important. Ultimately, they are working for an autonated control situation.

1l. During the present pericd efforts are being prinarily cirected tovard extending the range of control. For this purpose a lot of work is being done to develop the best possible guidance For the tine being they will not be working cn

12. then showed a fila, which had been pieced together from crateur camera work, on the training that is being done.

13. The Chairman rçninded that we oved the Ya reply on their proposed order

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of Vgoar. were asked to be ready to roply to thc quostions raiscd at the ncxt mceting. Thc necting was.adjourned at 1215.p.n.

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