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My USA trip is looming and I am in organization mode! I have a 14 hr trip to LA with a 3 hr stop over followed by a 6 hr flight to NYC. What I would love to hear is what things you guys take on board with you whether it be personal/toiletry items or items for entertainment, comfort or other purposes. Thanks. :) Spoochie 17-05-2011, 10:24 PM I have just experienced my first long haul flight. Ear plugs to be worn under the headphones. It's kind of like having noise cancelling headphones. Baby wipes/wet ones and roll on deodorant. I usually shower 2 - 3 times a day and just felt gross when I landed. On our stopover in Dubai I raided the duty free perfume testers! I didn't take anything for entertainment as the in-flight entertainment on Emirates was amazing. Lip balm! If you wear contact lenses consider taking some eye drops as your eyes may dry out quite a bit. Have fun! indi_c 18-05-2011, 07:05 AM Books Magazines Ipod Snacks If you fly any of the major airlines, you will get the TV's so that should keep you occupied for awhile. savvychic 18-05-2011, 08:05 AM It gets so dry on a plane: A refreshing facial spray Face, lip,hand moisturiser And I make sure I have clothes that will be comfy in the climate I land. And defintely wear comfy clothes! Layers are good because I never know if it will be warm or cold on the plane (it changes everytime!), and it helps you suit both the climate you are leaving and the climate you are going to. Also think about footwear - your feet can get quite swollen / uncomfortable in certain shoes, so depending on what shoes I am wearing, I will take comfy socks to wear and take my shoes off. Lipbalm in a tube or stick so I'm not using my finger Hand cream Hand sanitiser A pasmina A smallish book A magazine or two Chewing gum A bottle of water but think that's prohibited on flights to the US An eye mask and ear plugs I will have my iPhone with a relaxing playlist of instrumental music and ocean sounds - I find this works better to block out the noise of the engines. Lavender oil A sudoku book and pencil I don't generally worry too much about entertainment if I'm flying with a major airline as their on-flight entertainment is usually awesome. Pinky Bee 18-05-2011, 10:01 AM If you're flying united you'll need industrial earplugs as their 747s rattle and hum so loud it's difficult to sleep. Also USD as all US carriers don't give you anything when traveling domestic despite being full service airlines apparently. I always take: Earplugs Neck pillow Eye mask Iphone loaded with movies and tv series Change of socks and underwear, nothing worse than sweaty socks and jocks after 14hrs of sitting in a warm cabin Sassafras 18-05-2011, 12:07 PM Oh gosh, what don't I take onboard long haul flights! I hate flying and get really antsy, so I try and keep as occupied and comfortable as possible - Lipbalm - Face moisturiser - Concealer and cream blush (for when I land) - Eye drops, contact lens solution and case - Spectacles - Magazine and a book (so I can swap when I get bored) - iPod - Socks - Chewing gum or mints - A small vial of perfume - Eye mask - Neck pillow - Large shawl - doubles as a stylish scarf and extra blanket as it gets so cold on board - Pantyliners so I feel nice and clean - Face wipes - Pen for completing immigration forms - Snacks like a container of Pringles, Skittles, snakes etc - Macbook / iPad - Hair clip so I can throw my hair up in a high bun on board, and when I get off the plane, I take out the bun and my hair is nice and volumised so I don't look too horrendous. I always wear leggings and a comfortable shirt and cardigan with ballet flats. Slip on/slip off shoes are essential if you're travelling to USA, as you'll need to take them on and off during security checks, and don't wear a belt if you can help it, because they're a pain to put on and take off. OfficeGirl 18-05-2011, 12:29 PM My list is pretty much the same as Sassafras'. I also keep sunglasses handy for when the morning sun comes streaming in thru someone else's window. AgentM99 18-05-2011, 12:35 PM Thanks everybdoy! Sassafras, I am a bit like you but my motto for this trip is travelling light so I am trying to get it down to "essentials". Might need some luck with that! :) beverly 18-05-2011, 01:37 PM Less about necessarily onboard essentials, but in addition to what other's have said, I always bring a full extra set of clothes and must have items you need in case your bag gets lost/delayed when you land. For this reason, I will usually bring either a full set of clothes that have elements I can also sleep in, and/or an extra singlet/item that is just for sleeping, as well as an extra set of underwear and any toiletry essentials (in travel size obviously). In terms of other tips for long haul flights, go to seat guru and scope out your flight detail so you can see if your seats have any extras like powerpoints, or plugs for USB/consoles. I almost always travel with a laptop, but particularly in the case of long haul flights, I always check whether I'll have a powerpoint to see if I can charge up any devices I have. Mod-ern Girl 18-05-2011, 03:55 PM I take pretty much what everyone else has said. However if I wanted to travel light my absolute essentials would be: I call these things shoe socks, but they are almost a jiffy kinda thing I picked up in target. they feel like a sock on, but have a VERY thin rubbery sole. If you get these you don't have to keep putting your shoes on to go to the toilet. You don't want to walk into the toilet in socks (think turbulence + tired men = you don't want to know :sick: ). I personally like the sound of the plane engines so I'm never worried about the noise! I transfer into small bottles facial moisturiser and cleanser, small soap, mini toothpaste, deodorant just in case plane is delayed/luggage lost. For the same reason I pack underwear and a singlet/t-shirt. I also pack things that I don't use but that I want to keep safe eg. jewellery, laptop/netbook, iPod My ears become really painful during landing so I don't risk ear plugs. PetitePrincesse 18-05-2011, 04:41 PM i am a fairly light traveller - there's nothing worse than being in transit and lugging your non-wheelie carry on bag around. my rule is if i got stranded, what would i need as an essential? other than what other people have said... mirror stilnox little bag of nuts and dried fruit. i never eat it, but it's nice to the have the option. otel products and the beauty counters are your best friends for long haul trips. i usually take the l'occitaine hotel shampoo and conditioner (they are teency weency bottles, but go a long way), hotel soaps, sample foundation sachets and the teeny hotel colgate tubes. i decant all my beauty products into little clear bottles. i always have a clear plastic make up bag for all my lotions etc - manicare does a great one that comes with clear bottles for around $15. makes life so much easier at security, especially when everyone around you is scrabbling in their bags getting everything out or has their things in nasty plastic freezer bags. i wear my glasses, and lots of layers, leggings and thongs. rimmellover 18-05-2011, 06:17 PM *iPhone + usb charger (many airlines have sockets for you to plug the USB in to) *Pashmina *Travel pillow *Eye drops *Lip balm *Pen *Chewing gum (it can help your ears pop on ascent/descent) *Water bottle (either buy one once past security, or take an empty one and fill up) *Passport etc (obviously) Some people will take a change of clothes (trackies etc) so they can wear nice clothes for the airport at each end. I'm not so much a fan of this, as I have no issues walking through an airport in my trackies, and afteer a 14 hour flight the toilets can be kind of gross to get changed in. I do, however, take a change of clothes in my carry on, just in case my luggage goes missing, so I have a day or so to organise replacements. I also take my makeup and anything I would be devastated to lose/have broken. Make sure you take the chargers for your electric equipment on board with you too. I also have standard handbag contents (tissues, panadol, etc). I don't know if it is your first long haul flight or not, but you will soon get to know what you need, as everyone has different needs (some people HAVE to have socks with them, whereas I can't stand them). My best tip is to have your passport etc in your handbag, then have a carry-on within a carry-on. I had my backpack (so I wouldn't have to deal with two rolly bags), and in the bottom I had the change of clothes etc that I wanted to have with me but wouldn't actually need. On top of that stuff, I had a Woolworths-type bag with the stuff I wanted at my seat. Once I boarded, it was easy to pull the top bag out of my backpack and have at my feet, store my backpack in the overhead lockers, and still not overcrowd my handbag to the point of being non-functional Madam Mina 18-05-2011, 07:45 PM My list is pretty similar to others I think. I have a large soft leather Witchery bag that I use that can either be a big handbag or an overnight bag I think this one of my favourite things I own. List: Pashmina Camera Small laptop iPod Hand sanitiser Moistuiser Cleansing water Wet ones Eye drops Mini toothbrush Mini floss Tiny bottle of mouth wash Concealor Lip balm Valerian (herbal sleeping pills) Deodorant Perfume Book Magazine Change of clothes Pen Panty liners Neurofen Important travel documents Reading glasses Sunglasses Local currency for when I arrive Anything of value that I don't want to lose or really need when I get there like jewelery and medication All chargers and power cords Phone Noise canceling headphones (these are the best things ever) Hand Sanitiser Remember for international flights you will be subject to the liquids and gels regulations (and domestic flights in the US). So anything you want to take on that is a liquid or a gel must be less than 100mls and they all must fit in to a clear plastic sandwich bag. Some airports (I'm looking at you Hong Kong and Bangkok) will even take liquids bought in the airport off you so be careful what you buy duty free. AgentM99 18-05-2011, 07:56 PM I have had a few long hauls flights before but I want to streamline both carry on and checked luggage so rather than chucking stuff in on the day I am trying to be more organised this time. :) geezer 18-05-2011, 08:13 PM Wow some people take a lot...I always get organised at the very last minute and never use half the stuff I take on board. My best tip is to have one larger on board bag with a change of clothes, toiletries, documents etc that you put in the overhead and then a little bag with the things you'll use during the flight which you can put under the seat. That way you don't have to get up to open the overhead and go searching through it. You can stuff the small bag in the bigger carry bag when you get off. ETA, Just realised Rimmellover said pretty much the exact same thing before me. General Pashmina or similar that can be used as a scarf and blacket thick socks good headphones iPod Thick book (Agatha Christie collections are good- like the 3 in 1 editions) mag or two Gum and mints museli bars or nuts to snack on (and throw away before customs at the other end) water bottle (that i can fill once I've gotten through security) Change of underwear Pack of cards (If I'm travelling with someone) Eye mask and ear plugs for sleep Tissues (and vicks inhaler if I've had a stuffy nose recently as it's inevitable it'll get worse on the plane!) I get seriously dehydrated on planes (even on domestic short-haul flights) so am a bit overly prepared hydration wise!. But i do think it's important to feel clean and hydrated, thus the face wipes and wet ones and the moisturisers. Course, much of what I've listed others have listed as well! I also pack face powder and mascara for freshening up at the other end :) sunshowers 18-05-2011, 09:55 PM Forgot to add! I carry my passport, tickets, foreign cash and cards in a travel wallet and my iPod is my iphone- so i have that with me too! I don't take much as I always have my computer and camera, which take up room. So aside from that I usually only have wallet, passport, water, book, ipod, lipbalm, toothbrush/paste. These days most long haul flight shave a decent amount of stuff to watch and I spend most of my time doing that, but a book is good for the stopovers. I don't usually bother with spare clothes, unless I have something specific I need to be dressed for. What I hate most is having too much hand luggage to lug around during stopovers or in transit. puripuri 22-05-2011, 11:36 AM Depending on the airline I'm flying I take different things. For example if I'm flying Brunei airline, I don't need to take socks, eye mask and toothbrush with me because they provide. For most of the other airlines, I carry with me; In the future I would like to take these following things with me; NECK PILLOW!!!!!!! Eye drops change of clothes, something really loose and comfy Eevee 24-05-2011, 02:42 AM I should consider myself to be a seasoned long-haul traveller by now (I'm due to fly to Paris next month for the third time within this last calendar year, not gloating I promise :p), but I'm very minimalistic when it comes to carry-on luggage. I baulk at the thought of carrying any additional weight so I only bring the bare essentials with me onboard any long-haul flight. Before flying, check what amenities your airline provides (in-flight entertainment, USB port for your iPod or laptop etc.) as this'd help you decide what to bring. Whenever I travel solo, I try to pack as minimal as possible. I normally use my Neverfull (MM) as my flying handbag, and a very slim Incase sling bag (http://www.goincase.com/products/detail\\... for my Macbook. I was just gping to post about dry shampoo. I bought a travel size Batiste one but then wondered whether you can take aerosols on board? mzbabydoll 24-05-2011, 02:19 PM From past experience of over-packing my carry on luggage, I like to keep it light! - A good book is a must for me - Passport/itinerary, all the necessary paperwork and a pen - Tissues - Lollies - Jurlique rosewater mist - Camera and iPhone - Sunglasses That's all I can think of and usually on the way home I'll chuck in any shopping items that can't fit into my suitcase :) Eevee 24-05-2011, 03:18 PM [QUOTE=Eevee;6708667] 70g Cedel dry shampoo I was just gping to post about dry shampoo. I bought a travel size Batiste one but then wondered whether you can take aerosols on board? Yep you're allowed to bring aerosols in your carry-on on long haul flights as long as it is 100g (net weight) or less. That's why the 70g Cedel one works well for me :) rimmellover 24-05-2011, 05:41 PM ^ If you're carrying them on-board, make sure you have the lids on them - if they are lidless when you go through security they will make you throw them out (I think it something to do with explosion risk or some jazz) AgentM99 24-05-2011, 05:55 PM Thanks rimmellover. I now remember that happened to me once. A brand new KMS lidless spray - chucked out by the check in chick. I always carry a basic change of clothes/underwear - ever since they lost my suitcase (permanently) en route to a holiday in Hawaii. Nothing worse then arriving somewhere sans luggage, all sweaty and gross and having to wander around a mall exhausted looking for a change of clothes to buy. USB 2.0 10-07-2011, 07:49 AM I always carry a basic change of clothes/underwear - ever since they lost my suitcase (permanently) en route to a holiday in Hawaii. Nothing worse then arriving somewhere sans luggage, all sweaty and gross and having to wander around a mall exhausted looking for a change of clothes to buy. I always do this whenever I fly too. I have a bag delay rate of about 2 a year (so it's probably about 1 in 75 flights), so I expect airlines to occasionally lose my bag, especially when I have a connecting flight. The inconvenience of having to drop what I planned to be doing and shop for basics is not something I can entertain. I have one or two days' worth of change of clothes, two days' (at least) worth of toiletries, hair brush, and other essentials in my cabin bag regardless of how short the flight is. This is partially because I sometimes go hand luggage only for short trips, but even when I check my bag in, I always have those basic kits. TheRealMe 11-07-2011, 01:33 PM I have one or two days' worth of change of clothes, two days' (at least) worth of toiletries, hair brush, and other essentials in my cabin bag regardless of how short the flight is. Since my luggage got lost a few years ago (and it took a week to get it back), I take a change of clothes and my toiletries with me in my hand luggage. Even if my luggage is not lost, this also makes it easier for a quick change at my next destination without having to unpack everything. missE** 11-07-2011, 01:39 PM Are the aerosols allowed in checked in luggage? Yes aerosols are allowed as long as the lid is on. jbie 15-07-2011, 09:51 PM - lots of inflatable pillows, like 3 or 4! makes a big difference in getting comfy for sleep, to support every part of your body - pashminas, maybe 2, to use as blankets - socks for warmth - comfy clothes - refillable bottle of water - snacks - books and mags, laptop for movies - lip balm, moisturiser - eye mask 336 15-07-2011, 09:57 PM Hand sanitiser Ipad 2 books magazines ipod wanttobeafairy 15-07-2011, 10:15 PM I always do this whenever I fly too. I have a bag delay rate of about 2 a year (so it's probably about 1 in 75 flights), so I expect airlines to occasionally lose my bag, especially when I have a connecting flight. The inconvenience of having to drop what I planned to be doing and shop for basics is not something I can entertain. I have one or two days' worth of change of clothes, two days' (at least) worth of toiletries, hair brush, and other essentials in my cabin bag regardless of how short the flight is. This is partially because I sometimes go hand luggage only for short trips, but even when I check my bag in, I always have those basic kits. You fly a lot!:-o150 flights a year?? Anyway, ITA about having a few basic toiletries (just deo, and travel size body lotion, moisturiser and toothpaste/toothbrush, if the airline isn't providing it. And one change of clothes, and if possible shoes. This time, after a longer flight than I'm used to, I'm determined to take a nasal spray with me too, my nose got so dry and I felt awful. I also found it impossible to sleep this time, do inflatable pillows help? USB 2.0 16-07-2011, 05:13 AM You fly a lot!:-o150 flights a year?? Yes, approximately that. I also found it impossible to sleep this time, do inflatable pillows help? Sorry, I don't know! Unless I have a flat bed to sleep in, I don't recline at all on short haul flights, and not recline beyond about 1/4 of the full recline on a long haul to sleep because I really don't like intruding into the space of someone behind me especially if they are tall, yet I sleep OK, so I'm one of those people who can literally sleep anywhere! Staying awake on a flight is more of a problem for me. I did buy an inflatable pillow one time but couldn't be bothered carrying it or blowing it up, so I haven't actually used one. If you want an extra pillow, do ask the cabin crew though. They are usually able to give you another one. Also, if your head rest has 'bendy wings', I recommend using them too, so that your head doesn't flop around when you sleep. lolligirl 16-07-2011, 07:16 AM I make sure I am wearing warm comfy clothes as I always get cold on planes, and pack the following: - travel socks that I pop on once I am seated - book - scarf in case I get super cold - a set of clothes and underwear in my bag in case I want to get changed on the plane or as soon as I get off, and also for the worst case scenario of if my check in bag went missing! - makeup wipes - small bag of makeup - fruit salad What will I take next time - hardly anything!!!! I downgraded seriously on the flight home and managed just as well. :) Miss-G- 19-07-2011, 09:45 AM I always always always take a hairbrush on a long haul flight - you get serious seat hair and it's so nice to step off the plane looking neat. corrie_v 19-07-2011, 09:57 AM Hairbrush change of underwear deodorant, toothbrush, toothpaste, lipbalm, face wipes, hand sanitiser cardigan or other to keep you warm socks crossword puzzle book or similar with pens chewing gum sunglasses tissues ear plugs: without fail I will be seated near a screaming child I think inflatable pillow use is debatable... I find them quite uncomfortable actually as they prop my neck forward and make it sore. I mostly fly with Emirates though, so when in Business they give you half of the stuff I've listed anyway - much easier AgentM99 19-07-2011, 11:45 AM I think somebody mentioned this already but I think those bendy / winged head rests that planes like VAustralia have make the need for inflatable pillows redundant. I've never found travel pillows particularly comfortable anyway. vanillaink 19-07-2011, 01:56 PM I always put so much thought it what book/s I'm going to take on board but the I end up having the attention span of a fish when I'm on the plane. No idea why.. I'm a really keen reader generally; the atmosphere of a plane means as soon as I open the book I want to fall asleep or do something else! So now I'm fine with just a few good magazines (that one that sounds like eMCee and a trashy one that has a good crossword!) and the in-flight entertainment. I figure you pay so much for flights that you might as well enjoy all the movies you can! AgentM99 19-07-2011, 05:09 PM I always put so much thought it what book/s I'm going to take on board but the I end up having the attention span of a fish when I'm on the plane. No idea why.. I'm a really keen reader generally; the atmosphere of a plane means as soon as I open the book I want to fall asleep or do something else! So now I'm fine with just a few good magazines (that one that sounds like eMCee and a trashy one that has a good crossword!) and the in-flight entertainment. I figure you pay so much for flights that you might as well enjoy all the movies you can! This made me laugh - a bit ditto! :) rwm_girl 25-07-2011, 01:37 PM Thanks for starting this thread! Having never been overseas before, I spent a big chunk of my Saturday night going through it and making a list of things i might like to take on board :) KittyKitty 25-07-2011, 02:01 PM Ditto, rwm_girl! This thread has been really useful in helping me to get together the things I will need for 6 weeks worth of flights :-) What sort of bags do you ladies take all your necessary on-board items in? I'm really not sure which one to take, and my list is growing ever longer... chimneys_afire 27-12-2011, 04:16 PM Just wondering, for those of you that carry laptops, phones, ipods, or other electronics in your hand luggage, do you also take their respective chargers and any adapters that you need? I'll be taking my mini laptop, camera, phone and ipod, and was planning on taking all my chargers as well, but some of them are kind of bulky. Should I only take what I need, and for example leave my camera charger in my checked baggage? What do you girls do? *CaT* 27-12-2011, 04:27 PM i normally take all chargers with me in carry on, just in case my suitcase is lost / delayed / etc. it's much harder to easily replace chargers than clothes / toiletries USB 2.0 27-12-2011, 05:51 PM Just wondering, for those of you that carry laptops, phones, ipods, or other electronics in your hand luggage, do you also take their respective chargers and any adapters that you need? I'll be taking my mini laptop, camera, phone and ipod, and was planning on taking all my chargers as well, but some of them are kind of bulky. Should I only take what I need, and for example leave my camera charger in my checked baggage? What do you girls do? As someone who is home less than being away, I have learnt to minimise things I carry around with me. I bought a spare battery for my camera so that for a two-week trip, I don't need to carry my camera battery charger. Depending on the length of your trip, it may be an option for you. I also have compacted everything as much as possible, including just having a USB phone charger for my phones. That way, you only need one USB mains unit or a laptop to charge it. My Apple charger is small so I don't need to worry about it too much, and I have one world adapter that is probably one of the smallest I can get, and also a single adapter for the country I am visiting for my MacBook Air because it's tiny anyway. All of these come in my cabin bag because I cannot risk having my checked baggage delayed even for a day with it, or I cannot work. I also carry a USB cable x 2 (one is for the phone), Ethernet cable, USB-to-Ethernet adapter for Mac, SD card reader, USB light, and a Bluetooth mouse. All of these fit into a cable bag measuring 5x5x20 cm. They also live in my cabin bag as I have ones for home use anyway, so that I don't have to worry about leaving it behind at home. The rest (batteries, chargers, medical (panadol/nurofen)) are in the checked baggage. PetitePrincesse 28-12-2011, 11:52 AM As someone who is home less than being away, I have learnt to minimise things I carry around with me. I bought a spare battery for my camera so that for a two-week trip, I don't need to carry my camera battery charger. Depending on the length of your trip, it may be an option for you. I also have compacted everything as much as possible, including just having a USB phone charger for my phones. That way, you only need one USB mains unit or a laptop to charge it. My Apple charger is small so I don't need to worry about it too much, and I have one world adapter that is probably one of the smallest I can get, and also a single adapter for the country I am visiting for my MacBook Air because it's tiny anyway. All of these come in my cabin bag because I cannot risk having my checked baggage delayed even for a day with it, or I cannot work. I also carry a USB cable x 2 (one is for the phone), Ethernet cable, USB-to-Ethernet adapter for Mac, SD card reader, USB light, and a Bluetooth mouse. All of these fit into a cable bag measuring 5x5x20 cm. They also live in my cabin bag as I have ones for home use anyway, so that I don't have to worry about leaving it behind at home. i do the same thing - keep spares of everything i need in my carry on luggage. for chargers, i also just use usb chargers, other than the computer which is tiny. you can change the settings on your computer to pump more juice into the charging item as well so it doesn't take as long as a usb charger usually takes. quick_dry 28-12-2011, 01:29 PM on USB chargers - I bought extra iPad chargers, they cost the same as the iPhone charger but give double the power. Travel plug converters: check that they are a design where they have a 3 rd (Earth) plug, some power points won't work unless they can sense a prong in all points of the socket. *CaT* 28-12-2011, 01:59 PM for travel adaptors, i find a universal one that has at least one usb point the best. that means i don't need to bring the adaptors for my ipod/iphone/camera chargers, just the cord. and the iphone & ipod can use the same cord as well i've had ones where it was a pull out all the different ends depending on which country it was. i'd advise against these because i ended up losing the european adaptor in the hotel i stayed in. pulled it out of the wall, but the european adaptor part stayed in the socket... the ebay one above, where it's all in the one piece and slides out as you use it is much more efficient. although the one i bought at HK airport had 2 usb ports and they were on the main part, not a separate attachment like in the ebay version quick_dry 29-12-2011, 09:10 AM if you forget your charger and the room you're in has a flat screen TV, look for a USB port somewhere on it - it won't be as quick as a decent charger, but it usually works in a pinch. Basil25 23-02-2012, 03:15 AM i also travel a lot and found the less the better. for the plane carry on i take. a change of clothes chargers-I have Apple everything so that's easy except for the camera charger, which is tiny anyway. ebook reader tissues, face creams and water spray like Avene misting spray. good quality handcream handgel, and wipes. panadol/aspirin the less the better. invest in good quality hand luggage! korogi 24-03-2012, 09:59 PM I always put so much thought it what book/s I'm going to take on board but the I end up having the attention span of a fish when I'm on the plane. No idea why.. I'm a really keen reader generally; the atmosphere of a plane means as soon as I open the book I want to fall asleep or do something else! I'm exactly the same! It took me a couple of international flights to accept the fact that I'm never going to read a lot on a plane. I barely even watch the movies. I'm seldom comfortable (even in Business Class) because I get sciatic nerve pain down the back of my right leg. Consequently, I always have the urge to wriggle around/stretch or walk around the plane. And drink lots and lots of water! I never bring lollies on the plane, or drink alcohol during a flight, because they make me feel bloated and dehydrated. Besides, it's too many empty calories for sitting down for 14 hours.