106 Italy	With regard to Russia, talk it through with England. What you don’t want is England taking out Russia and giving you nothing. So, if England agrees to let Russia be for a while, then your plan sounds good. But if England is going to take Sweden, you really should get Denmark back. (I’m my view)	Truth	Truth
107 Germany	Okay you’ve convinced me: it’s worth figuring out what E’s plans are for Russia at least. And you’re almost certainly right, from a rational perspective, about leaving Holland/Belgium vulnerable to England. But I think England really is counting on my assistance in taking France, and because of that and other non-quantifiable reasons I trust them.	Truth	Truth
108 Italy	Excellent. Obviously you have a much better feel for your relationship with England than I do. Just know that France is persuasive, and I’m sure that’s what he’s working on. He stopped talking to me, so I bet he’s trying to turn England. Just keep reassuring England that you want to work with him long-term so he doesn’t succumb to the Dark Side.	Truth	Truth
109 Italy	Hi Germany — well, I think we’re getting to a critical point in the game here. France held out a long time, but he’s much less of a threat now. I think the critical issue, for you, is England. I have some thoughts on the matter, and some information, but I’d like to feel confident that you and I will keep anything we say between us. I think of you as the one person who has been honest with me on every turn. You even tell me the truth when it’s bad news, or when you don’t completely trust me, and I like that.	Truth	Truth
110 Germany	Okay, Italy. I won’t share any of this conversation. But in the interest of continued full disclosure, here’s what I think: England is a greater threat to *me* on the map, but *you* have a greater chance of soloing this game quickly, or pair-winning with Austria even sooner. And if I continue to collaborate with England, we at least have a chance of slowing that down. So I’m in sort of a conflicted spot	Truth	Truth
111 Italy	This is why I like you. The full disclosure part. You tell me the truth even when the news isn’t great.	Truth	Truth
112 Italy	My thoughts on the “Germany/England forever so that at least we can stop the solo” strategy: (1) It’s quite early to be talking about solos. I am at 8, and Austria could take 3 from me any time, quite easily. (2) I don’t think England is thinking that way. I think he’s thinking that a dominant power will emerge in the north, and one will emerge in the south. And he’s like to be that dominant power.	Truth	Truth
113 Italy	England's pieces are not positioned well if he's trying to attack France or contain Italy. He keeps Denmark guarded, and North Sea filled. He is not playing like he intends to stick with you, even though I'm sure he's telling you that.	Truth	Truth
114 Italy	You're right that you don't want to start a war with England right now. But, you must stick up for yourself, because nobody else will do that if you don't.	Truth	Truth
115 Italy	If I were you, this is what I would do: (1) keep warning England about the dangers of Italy getting too big and insist that England moves his fleets towards MAO (Channel to Irish, Norwegian to NAO, North - Channel), (2) insist on taking Denmark back.	Truth	Truth
116 Italy	I would say something like this: England, I'm with you my friend, but we're passed the stage of you needing to keep me under lock and key. I need to take Denmark back. I'm happy to support you to Brest to keep you growing, or you can grab Sweden. You have plenty of options other than keeping your ally's center, but if you really want to be my ally long-term, you've got to show me that.	Truth	Truth
117 Italy	I am hearing from England signs that he may be thinking of attacking you soon. And I think you actually avoid that better by being strong and sticking up for yourself rather than being accommodating and letting him do whatever he wants to do.	Truth	Truth
118 Germany	Well, both you and France have now pointed out that England is strategically not in a good place to be my ally right now, and you are correct. I'll be more cautious with my northern border, but I made a pretty strong argument for denmark this past turn and it fell on deaf ears	Truth	Truth
119 Germany	...which probably also should have been a sign for me	Truth	Truth
120 Italy	Well, if you want, you could just take Denmark this next year and I don't think England is in a position to retaliate.	Truth	Truth
121 Germany	Probably not...has France been talking with you at all about their sunsetting strategy? They've indicated a willingness to work with you and me and a desire to see England get as few dots as possible	Truth	Truth
122 Italy	He did say that to me too. Though, France has a long history of lying to me, so I really don't trust him.	Truth	Truth
123 Germany	Well France has actually been pretty honest with me, and I at least am certain that they wouldn't betray me to England. So, I'm considering working with F to sabotage (or potentially full-on backstab) England this turn, which would have the side-effect of maybe taking some attention away from the south for you anyway.	Truth	Truth
124 Germany	(and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this if you're in the mood to give out free advice)	Truth	Truth
125 Italy	Hi Germany — sorry for the delay. Well...I think it's really important that you get a build this turn either way. I don't think England will get a build this turn, so if I were you I'd probably take Paris, build a fleet, and move on England after that.	Truth	Truth
126 Italy	But it likely depends on how communication is going with England. If he'll give you back Denmark, that might change the equation.	Truth	Truth
127 Germany	I am waiting on England to make a decision about that—they claim to be thinking about it.	Truth	Truth
128 Germany	England told me you said I was plotting with France. It makes sense you'd want to pit us against each other.	Truth	Truth
129 Italy	Hey — tried to send you a message earlier but not was down. England was telling me that you're saying that I told you that England is plotting against you. The problem with telling England that is that he will stop giving me useful info.	Truth	Truth
130 Italy	Truly, I don't want you and England to fight. I am not trying to break you up. I suggested that you take Paris! I want you guys to work together with me against France.	Truth	Truth
131 Germany	You don't want us to fight, yet you betrayed both of our confidence with you in a way that makes us distrust each other?	Truth	Truth
132 Italy	I really don't think that's a fair description. You guys both wanted to attack each other. I encouraged you both to keep working together.	Lie	Truth
133 Germany	Just as long as it suits you. Are you going to give England Mao?	Truth	Truth
134 Italy	Hmmm, should I be reading that as angry sarcastic with dagger eyes? (I'm not sure if I'm getting your tone right)	Truth	Truth
135 Italy	We're friends, right? I believe that every single message I've sent you all game has been truth, and I've gone out of my way to give you candid advice. Are we still friends?	Lie	Truth
136 Italy	Regarding MAO — I don't know. What do you want me to do? I don't have any set plan.	Truth	Truth
137 Germany	Yep, there's some sarcasm there. Looking back at your messages, I still don't read them as encouraging collaboration. And if you wanted us to be friends, you could have done that without betraying me to England by simply saying in your candid way "I don't think you should do that for such and such reason". But you chose to increase E's distrust of me. So I think you might be full of gnocchi and crap.
My trust in you is a bit shaken but I still think we can have a working partnership with a bit more caution on my end. It would be my preference that you hold Mao, on the assumption that if it came down to a choice between partnering with me or England, you'd choose me. If that's not the case, then as the filling of an England-Italy sandwich I'm in no position to retaliate anyway.	Truth	Truth
138 Italy	Well, again, I like that you're honest with me, even when the news is bad.	Truth	Truth
139 Italy	I have to say that I'm surprised that you feel that I've betrayed your trust. I have been feeling like maybe I've been TOO helpful to you, and been a bit over the top in offering advice, etc., but it seems like I've misread the situation.	Lie	Truth
140 Germany	No, it's completely true that you've been too helpful, and I'm really really grateful for it because I've been able to learn so much from this game. But it's also true that you didn't have to tell England what you did, and all you stood to gain from it was that it shook my and E's trust in each other.	Truth	Truth
141 Italy	But I understand what you're saying, and I much prefer to have a heart to heart like this, a frank airing of grievances, rather than being surprised by unkind moves on the board. https://youtu.be/xoirV6BbjOg	Truth	Truth
142 Germany	Was not expecting seinfeld today and it was a pleasant surprise	Truth	Truth
143 Italy	:	Truth	Truth
144 Italy	Here's the deal: I like you better than England.	Lie	Truth
145 Italy	I'm not sure how the next couple of turns are going to shake out. But I like that you tell me when you're angry with me. I know that may seem like a small thing, but it's just rare in Diplomacy. You get so many fake smiles.	Truth	Truth
146 Italy	So, if it comes down to you or him, I'm choosing you. And I'll work to do a better job of keeping your confidence. I certainly understand how important that is, as I hate it when people o that same thing to me.	Truth	Truth
147 Italy	So no more playing mediator for me.	Truth	Truth
148 Germany	Okay. Is it true that you want the channel?	Truth	Truth
149 Germany	And are you planning to keep Vienna?	Truth	Truth
150 Italy	I am not planning to keep Vienna. And yeah I've asked France for support to the Channel. Do you think he's on board?	Truth	Truth
151 Germany	I'm not sure. Is *England* on board? Is this something England can know about?	Truth	None
152 Italy	No, do you think France will Support me to the Chan-nel?	Truth	Truth
153 Germany	France has asked my opinion on it, and I haven't given it yet. To my estimation things look a lot better for me if you don't end up there: I don't want to see England in Mao, and I don't want to see you snagging pieces of the north.	Truth	Truth
154 Italy	Okay, well, here is my thinking. Tell France whatever you want to make him happy. Then tell me how you really feel. And if you don't want me to go there, I won't go there.	Truth	Truth
155 Germany	If I hadn't asked you about it, would that have just been another surprise, too?	Truth	Truth
156 Italy	Absolutely.
You and I have discussed our moves and been honest with each other every turn. But we have not been sharing all our moves or pre-clearing all of our moves.
So that would have Ben a surprise in the same way that your moves are a surprise to me. (I never tell you what to do or insist on knowing).	Truth	Truth
157 Italy	I kind of thought that you would have wanted me in the Channel because it commits me further against England, but I can understand what you're saying now about wanting me to hang back.	Truth	Truth
158 Italy	But I don't think there is anything wrong with me contemplating moves without telling you all of them.
You asked me about it, and I told you the truth.	Lie	Truth
159 Germany	I do think that this move is a breach of general expectation, which is the kind of thing I'd like to know about.
And it's also the kind of thing I've shared with you: case in point, my desire to stab England.	Truth	Truth
160 Italy	Okay. Understood.	Truth	Truth
161 Germany	Is there anything I could gain from seeing you in the channel? Would you support me taking Nth, and potentially seizing the island?	Truth	Truth
162 Germany	Here's what I'm thinking: I would be on board with you taking the channel (and I'd give France the green light to go ahead with it) if you would agree to bump Mao out of Mao using Wes, and if you'd be open to supporting some anti-English aggression while holding the channel so that I can get on equal footing with you, dot-wise.
If you don't want to agree to those terms, that's okay, but I would strongly prefer not to see you in the channel in that case.	Truth	Truth
163 Italy	I'm going to be out of pocket this weekend, so let's talk this through more on Monday. Generally, I agree that I'll either stay out of the Channel or agree to your terms for entering there.	Truth	Truth
164 Germany	If you decide to stay out of the channel, I have a deal that I like with England in the works. For that deal to go through, you'd have to agree to move Mao into Portugal to let England take Mao. Would you be amenable to that?	Truth	Truth
165 Germany	(If this second offer is more to think about than a no-brainer, you can just mull it over and let me know monday)	Truth	Truth
166 Italy	So, here is my concern with the England offer: If I'm taking Portugal, why do we want England in MAO? And why would he want to go to MAO? I'm not sure I understand that one. Can you explain?	Truth	Truth
167 Germany	Well, when I initially proposed the deal I had forgotten that Portugal was promised to England. Then England agreed to it on the condition that you would confirm that move, so I figured E thought you would just move out of there next year? But now that I think about it, it's probably worth asking England why they'd agree to that.	Truth	Truth
168 Italy	I'd prefer that you not tell England I am considering moving to the Channel. I don't think he would like that.	Truth	Truth
169 Italy	I don't really want to discuss this stuff with England at all.	Truth	Truth
170 Germany	Well, England changed their mind about the plan I offered anyway. So, are you taking the channel?	Truth	Truth
171 Italy	No, I'm not taking the Channel.	Truth	Truth
172 Germany	Okay was that a recent decision? Because like an hour ago France said they were supporting you into the channel	Truth	Truth
173 Italy	Well, when I tell you what I plan to do, do you turn around and tell France? This makes me uncomfortable speaking with you.	Truth	Truth
174 Germany	I haven't spoken to France since then. I didn't realize you were giving the two of us different information on this particular subject. But I don't think I've revealed anything to them about what you plan to do. Mostly because you haven't told me.	Truth	Truth
175 Italy	Well, I have been honest with both you and France. You told me that I need to promise you a set of things in order to take the Channel. I felt like it was more than I could be sure of doing, so I am not entering the Channel. I won't go there without your permission.	Lie	Truth
176 Germany	I appreciate that. And I'll keep the remainder of this conversation between us unless I hear otherwise. Have you just recently made an agreement with England?	Truth	Truth
177 Germany	I heard as much but I want to verify the contents of that agreement with you	Truth	Truth
178 Germany	Btw, France just said that they submitted the orders to support you into the channel.	Truth	Truth
179 Italy	I don’t have an agreement with England, but he is asking me about my moves and trying to get my help.	Truth	Truth
180 Germany	Okay–then England is lying to me, saying that you’re helping support Eng-Brest.	Truth	Truth
181 Italy	Ha! Yeah, fat chance.	Lie	Truth
182 Germany	...but did you lie to England about that? Or can I say to England that I don’t think you’ll actually provide that support?	Truth	Truth
183 Italy	What is Paris up to?	Truth	Truth
184 Italy	I suggest you just not tell England anything about my moves.	Truth	Truth
185 Italy	Do you want me to support England to Brest?	Truth	None
186 Italy	I guess I’m not sure what your goals are here.	Truth	Truth
187 Italy	I just kind of feel like you’re grilling me with a lot of questions, but not telling me what you’re doing or what you want from me.	Truth	Truth
188 Germany	*If* you support Eng-Brest, England has agreed to vacate denmark for me. If you don’t, I won’t get in the way of your channel thing. Any other questions?	Truth	Truth
189 Germany	I have no sense of what you want or what your plan is, but I thought I’d been pretty clear: I want Denmark. I am reluctant to see you in the Channel if England remains powerful, but happy to see you there if they are weakened.	Truth	Truth
190 Italy	Can’t you just force Denmark?	Truth	Truth
191 Germany	Not without risking a swipe of Belgium	Truth	Truth
192 Germany	And why force when you don’t have to	Truth	None
193 Italy	Okay, I’ll support England to Brest. You take Denmark.	Truth	Truth
194 Italy	And you and I should be in position to take out England next year.	Truth	Truth
195 Germany	Splendid!	Truth	Truth
196 Germany	Glad everything worked out	Truth	Truth
197 Italy	Thumbs up!	Truth	Truth
198 Italy	Congratulations on retaking Denmark and getting two builds. You are playing really well right now. Respect.	Truth	Truth
199 Germany	Congrats on having double-digit dots! I have some thoughts about taking out England, if you want to go full-stab this season...	Truth	Truth
200 Italy	I think I do!	Truth	Truth
201 Italy	What are you thinking?	Truth	Truth
202 Germany	One option is to take the channel, another is to take Brest. Between you, me, and Picardy we can manage either, but it's a question of which takes priority. If we chose Brest, I could also take a stab at seizing Nth this season, then we could try for the channel in fall. Or we could do channel first, Brest second.	Truth	Truth
203 Italy	Yeah, that is all along the lines of what I'm thinking. How demanding does France sound right now? Does he want to be the one who takes Brest?	Truth	Truth
204 Germany	Haven't asked. But in general not demanding.	Truth	Truth
205 Italy	Good!
Still, I think we should show him some good faith by supporting him to Brest in Spring. We can decide in Fall whether it makes more sense for you to take it, but I think we want to keep France hungry.	Lie	Truth
206 Italy	I would suggest something like this to ensure the English fleet is disbanded: Pic - Bre MAO - Channel Par S Pic - Bre	Lie	Truth
207 Italy	And Spa - Gas to cut off that retreat.	Truth	Truth
208 Italy	You can take the North Sea on the same move and set up a convoy to the English mainland. Checkmate.	Truth	Truth
209 Germany	Okay, I like the plan! I've asked France if they're willing to move to Brest supported by me.	Truth	Truth
210 Germany	Aren't you concerned about England taking Mao? I'd sooner just have you pile on support into Bre so that Wes can support Mao holding	Truth	Truth
211 Italy	That's a good point, but the problem with that approach is that Brest is not guaranteed. If England cute MAO and supports with the Channel, the attack fails. I think we are better off ensuring that the Brest fleet is disbanded. If we disband that fleet and take North Sea, an English fleet in MAO really just spreads him out and allows you to take the island faster. It's not like he can get Portugal or Spain.	Truth	Truth
212 Germany	Okay, but that means I'd prefer to take Brest myself this Spring, if France is okay with it.	Truth	Truth
213 Italy	I think that we should offer France Brest in Spring. That ensures that he is with us. Then, if conditions are right in the Fall, I can support you into Brest. But...England can offer France Belgium, and I think he is sure to take that if we're not even offering him a center, right?	Lie	Truth
214 Italy	Better to keep France feeling like we're going to keep him in the game. If you need the build in Fall, it's easy for me to support you there.	Lie	Truth
215 Germany	I guess I'm just wondering from France's perspective why they'd *want* to stay in the game. Isn't it possible they'd rather move on with their life? That's not rhetorical, I'm wondering what your perspective is as a veteran player	Truth	Truth
216 Italy	Here is my take: If France just wanted to go down in a blaze of glory and say "eff you" to England, he would have kept Irish Sea. He kept Pic, which is next to his home center, and gives him a chance to negotiate with both you and England.	Lie	Truth
217 Italy	I think that means he is motivated to keep trying. And if he believes he can get Brest, he could legitimately get back to his feet. I know that's what I'd be trying to do in his position.	Truth	Truth
218 Italy	As the poker saying goes: "a chip and a chair." So long as you have one chip left, and you're still in the tournament, you can always come back to win.	Truth	Truth
219 Italy	Thoughts?	Truth	Truth
220 Germany	I think that makes sense. Are you talking with England at all?	Truth	Truth
221 Italy	I'm pretty wary of England right now. He asked me what I want to do, but I feel like he's trying to get me to leave MAO open. That's not terrible news, as it suggests that he won't expect your move to North Sea.	Lie	Truth
222 Italy	As long as he doesn't move NAO to Norwegian, you've got a guaranteed supply center.	Truth	Truth
223 Germany	Well E'd have to be a right dolt not to retreat to NWG. And right now they're talking to me about supporting a move from Bre to Gas (the better for the two of us to stab you).	Truth	Truth
224 Germany	What i mean is, there's a good chance that Mao is safe if I "agree" to that deal	Truth	Truth
225 Germany	Oh nevermind-they're not going to convoy into Brest. So actually this pretty much guarantees that Eng and Mao will try for Mao.	Truth	Truth
226 Italy	Ahhh, sneaky Devil! Thank you for letting me know.	Lie	Truth
227 Italy	I still like our plan.	Lie	Truth
228 Italy	I need to run for a bit. I'll be around in a few hours.	Lie	Truth
229 Germany	I think that knowing this, you should do as I suggest and not poke Eng. Just hold and let Wes support. I am 94% sure I can trust England to do as they say on this one.	Truth	Truth
230 Italy	Okay. Should I support Pic to Bre?	Lie	Truth
231 Germany	yes please. It'll do us good with France too if we both support.	Truth	Truth
232 Italy	Thumbs up!	Truth	Truth
233 Germany	Actually, you should use Mao to support Spa-Gas, since we know that Brest is moving there. It will be beneficial to have you there if we decide to oust France from Bre in fall	Truth	Truth
234 Italy	Consider it done.	Lie	Truth
235 Italy	Hmmm, heading anything from England?	Truth	Truth
236 Italy	I'd love to talk if you're there. I'm getting the impression that England may actually be moving on you, and I think I have a good counter, but I also still think we should support the attack on Brest and take North Sea.	Lie	Truth
237 Italy	I definitely think you should keep your moves the same.	Truth	Truth
238 Italy	Nice! Get'em! He WAS moving on you. But we should be able to take about 3 off of him now. Very nice turn.	Lie	Truth
239 Germany	Sorry; I was asleep by 9 last night why the move to Nao? Wouldn't IRI be the more anti-England choice? With the move to Picardy and assuming a retreat to SKA, it looks like England has me pretty powerless this turn.	Truth	Truth
240 Germany	So do you, it seems, if you have some kind of deal with Russia about Munich.	Truth	Truth
241 Italy	Good morning. Just responding to your messages above. I think NAO and Irish are equally anti-English. They both give me a clear lane to attack Liverpool. I wasn't sure if either one would be left open, but I took a gamble and it paid off.	Truth	Truth
242 Italy	Re your move this turn, I don't think you're powerless. You should get a build I think and if not, you should be in position to smash England.	Lie	Truth
243 Italy	I don't have a deal regarding Munich, Germany. Frankly, I thought you would be a bit more joyful towards me. By attacking England, I have committed completely to working as your partner.	Lie	Truth
244 Germany	I suppose you're right. Initially I was thinking IRI also gives you channel access, but NWG access may be just as useful. Well when you control half a continent (and even more when you consider your influence over me, austria, and who knows who else!), there's no such thing as complete commitment. I'm not so naive as to think your allegiance with me is going to last beyond its usefulness, and with two fleets on the British isle that time is fast approaching. To be clear, I'm still giving you the truth and I still want to work with you. But you should really stop acting surprised when I'm slightly paranoid that a soon-to-be-dozen-dot-holder is gearing up to stab me	Truth	Truth
245 Italy	Well, I dunno, it sounds like I should stab you. Is that what you're trying to tell me?
I like you. I like how hard you've worked in this game to rebound from a difficult start. I like that you e told me the truth, even when the news was bad. I like that you tell me when you don't trust me. I have literally never told you a lie in this game, and I don't intend to start now. Last turn I burned my bridge with England beyond repair. If you don't want to work with me now, that's really disappointing.	Lie	Truth
246 Germany	like I said, I *do* want to work with you. However, remember that thing I said about general expectations and being warned when they're broken? Tyrolia is one of them and I think you knew that. And England *also* told me they've never told me a lie; I'm starting to think that's Diplomacy-speak for "when convenient, I've used careful wording and half-truths to deceive you even when everything I said was technically true". It would help me to know that you see me being a benefit to you beyond taking out England. A natural next move for us would be to take out russia, and in that arena I have a positional advantage over you. Especially if I get two builds this turn, I'll be able to sneak behind the troops in bohemia/galicia and help you break through.	Truth	Truth
247 Italy	Yes — here is how I expect and hope the game will play out: the two of us finish off England and France, while drifting towards the east a bit. With the builds we get this year, we essentially blitzkrieg the East. I have more units than you, but you have no opposition at all in the north, and can take Scandinavia, War and Mos without any trouble.	Lie	Truth
248 Italy	I think that, in about two years, you and I will both be on about 14 centers, with the remnants of Russia and Austria between us, and we can decide how we want to resolve it. I'd be happy to agree to a small draw, or to shoot for a 17-17 two-way draw position, whichever you prefer.	Lie	Truth
249 Germany	Well, I like the sound of all of that. In fact, it sounds ideal: there's something poetic about the complete beginner and the expert (you've probably heard by now that you got doxxed) sharing a victory.
I ask for a concession: As a show of good will, would you be willing to take only one of Liverpool or Portugal this year? (I know the Portugal request seems weird, but I like keeping France around and unless I'm mistaken they like me better than you)	Truth	Truth
250 Italy	Yes. I wasn't planning to take Portugal anyway.	Truth	Truth
251 Italy	I think it makes sense here for you to land an army in the English island while you can. Now that his army is off the island, he's toast as soon as you do that.	Lie	Truth
252 Germany	England's just vindictive enough to try and stab Belgium with England and Picardy, though. I was planning on keeping holland around as support.	Truth	Truth
253 Germany	*by England I of course mean Eng	Truth	Truth
254 Italy	I suggest the following:
Gas - Liv (via convoy) Spa S MAO holding Mar hold Tyr - Tri
Hol - Yor (via convoy) Bur S Bel Bel S North HEL
S North Mun - Boh Par - Pic (to cut any potential support)	Lie	Truth
255 Italy	England cannot take Belgium with those moves.	Lie	Truth
256 Italy	Or I could move my fleet into Liverpool and use Gas to support Bre. I'm happy either way.	Lie	Truth
257 Germany	I tried a double convoy in the sandbox once and it didn't work! What is this witchcraft?!!!	Truth	Truth
258 Germany	At any rate, I prefer the fleet move to liverpool and Gascony's support into Brest. And could Mao support Bre into the Channel? No sense forcing France to disband. Bel will support it, too.	Truth	None
259 Italy	Here are the orders needed to do a convoy! Holland move to Yorkshire North Sea convoy Holland to Yorkshire
It is not a "double convoy" as you only need one fleet to make it happen.
But if your fleet in North Sea is dislodged, the convoy will not go through. That is why I would suggest that HELG supports North Sea holding and Belgium supports North Sea holding.	Lie	Truth
260 Germany	No-I mean the one *you* were planning: Gascony to Liverpool	Truth	Truth
261 Germany	It's a double convoy because you're conveying through Mao *and* Nao	Truth	Truth
262 Italy	Ah, the orders there would be: Gascony - Liv MAO
Convoy Gas - Liv NAO Convoy Gas - Liv	Truth	Truth
263 Italy	So, I'll move the fleet to Liverpool. And you want MAO to support Paris to Brest?	Lie	Truth
264 Italy	Or wait, MAO supports Brest to Channel, and Gas supports Paris - Brest, right?	Lie	Truth
265 Germany	yeah. I tried that once in the sandbox (or the equivalent: back when you had fleets in Lyo and Wes I tried a convoy from Pie to Naf). But I think I messed up the commands to the fleets.
And yes the most recent message is correct. Those two things and Nao-Lvp	Truth	Truth
266 Italy	Okay, confirmed.
So I've got in: NAO - Liv MAO S Bre - Channel Gas
S Par - Bre Spa - WES Mar S Gas holding Tyrolia -
Trieste
Sound right?	Lie	Truth
267 Germany	It does. But If Tyr was bound for trieste anyway, why
did you detour through Tyr at all? Why not just move
to trieste last turn??	Truth	Truth
268 Italy	Austria would not have liked it.	Truth	Truth
269 Italy	And he doesn't know that it's headed back there now
(please don't tell)	Truth	Truth
270 Germany	Understood. Me and Austria don't talk anyway. Also,
do you have any sense of what England is planning to
do?	Truth	Truth
271 Italy	Ha! No I don't. I'd imagine he is coming for me. But
I don't know that.	Lie	Truth
272 Italy	If I were him, I'd defend Edi and London.	Lie	Truth
273 Germany	So you haven't been talking to England at all? I was
sort of hoping you would know more, maybe help us
take better advantage of their plans.	Truth	Truth
274 Germany	Anyway, my moves are:
Par-Bre Bel s Bre-Eng Hol s Bel holding
And the rest within expected parameters. Correct?	Truth	Truth
275 Italy	England has not said anything of substance to me. He
was gracious about my move, but he won't trust me
again, and I would not trust anything he might say at
this point. I haven't asked him about his moves and he
hasn't told me.	Lie	Truth
276 Italy	I thought you would Convoy Holland to Yorkshire and
support Belgium from Burgundy. Also, can you please
order Mun to Boh to cut support and allow me to hold
Vienna while moving Tyrolia to Trieste?	Truth	Truth
277 Germany	I *told* you I'm not risking that convoy *and* that in-
stead Bel is supporting France into the Channel (which
will heretofore be called the French Channel). And
could I persuade you to move to IRI instead of taking
Liverpool in exchange for the requested cut?	Truth	Truth
278 Italy	Sorry, what is the requested cut? I understand that you
don't want me to take Liverpool or Portugal. What are
you offering to me? (I don't mean to be difficult, I just
want to be sure I understand).	Truth	Truth
279 Italy	Ah, you must mean Munich to Boh.	Truth	Truth
280 Italy	Asking me to avoid taking Por and Liv is asking a lot.
I want France to survive here, but I also want England
taking units off the board, and I feel like you should
too, right?	Truth	Truth
281 Germany	I do. But I also want those dots for myself, of course.
And there's still the nonzero chance that you've ar-
ranged with Boh to take Munich for yourself, so I'm
taking a serious risk	Truth	Truth
282 Italy	I will avoid taking Portugal, vacate Tyrolia, and support you to Brest. I feel like I'm offering quite a lot in exchange for one cut support.
And cutting that support does not put you in greater peril. If I had a deal with Russia for Munich (I don't) I could cut Burgundy from Marseilles and support Russia to Munich. Moving Mun to Boh to cut support is costless.	Lie	Truth
283 Germany	You're right. I just thought I'd put my best argument forward. I'll do the cut. But I ask for something cost-less in exchange, and I really, really want it to stay just between us, ok?	Truth	Truth
284 Italy	Understood and agreed.	Truth	Truth
285 Italy	And I have no problem with you asking for more than you're willing to settle for. That's smart, and I do the same thing sometimes. If you don't stick up for yourself, nobody else will.	Truth	Truth
286 Germany	I *know* there's more to your relationship with England than you're telling me. The last message England sent to me hinted that if *I* wasn't willing to work with them—and I haven't said anything to them since—that maybe *you* would. And if England were to reach out to you, you're too smart to just snub them. There's advantage to be gained—either for both of us or just for yourself—from talking to them. The only reason I stopped was because I knew my word would be mud to them anyway.
Earlier I was hoping you'd give me the truth about what you knew, and about what they might know. But you didn't and that both disappoints and scares me. So I'm asking that you give me just a modicum of honesty here: what do you know? what does England know?	Truth	Truth
287 Italy	I give you my word: I don't know what England is going to do and I haven't asked.	Lie	Lie
288 Italy	He is still jovial with me and respectful. He has asked me to critique his play and to give him advice. But I do not know his moves, and I really don't think he would tell me them if I asked. It certainly would not be info I could trust free I just lied to him about mine.	Lie	Truth
289 Germany	But England's desperate. Better to talk with *some-one* than just go in blind. And I doubt they'd turn to Russia or France because neither is really close enough/powerful enough to give real help. And there's precedent for you negotiating with someone even as you stab them: France...and here's the real accusation: for all your pretty words about a shared victory between you and me, you've been sneaky and you've always pitted me and England against each other to your benefit. My real fear here is that knowing my moves, and with a desperate, jovial England seeking your advice, it would be so *easy* to just feed England enough info to keep me weak while you chow down on the Island. I know this from experience: back when you were doing 50/50 shots in the south of France, I did everything I could to find out what you were planning and feed it to France. This was merely a time-buying measure, since France was outmatched and I would eventually run out of pretenses to extract your move. But I wanted to gain more dots before you took over. And I assume others are like me, hence I suspect you now. I'm offering this confession in hopes that you'll do the same. So just come clean and let's approach this thing as equals?	Truth	Truth
290 Italy	I am in my car, off to pick-up my kids from school. This deserves a proper response, so please give me some time.	Truth	Truth
291 Germany	Abandon the children this is important	Truth	Truth
292 Italy	So, I'm going to speak frankly here. I am rarely offended in a Diplomacy game, and I rarely say so when I am, but this message offends me. I'm trying to think about why I'm having such a strong reaction to it. I think it's because you're painting a picture of the game (both your actions and mine) which are totally different than my own perspective. (Continuing)	Lie	Truth
293 Italy	From my perspective, you were on the ropes early. France and England were teaming up on you. You lost Denmark and France had Holland and Munich surrounded. You were in serious peril. I seriously went to extreme effort to keep you in the game. I spent hours talking with England and encouraging him to turn around and go the other way. I completely ended my eastern campaign and spent two seasons just making the voyage over to France so that he didn't have the bandwidth to continue his attack. I have vouched for you with Austria and Russia many times. I have supported Munich. And I have NEVER attacked you, even when people have asked me to do so and pledged to support me.	Lie	Truth
294 Italy	I have been honest with you, I have worked hard for your success, and I've made a lot of proposals to you in which you gain centers; not me. Maybe I am just a bad ally, but I'm not sure I remember an alliance in which I have done more to help my ally. Truly.	Lie	Truth
295 Italy	And to hear that (1) You think I've been selfish and (2) You've been sabotaging me all along, that just doesn't sit well with me.	Lie	Truth
296 Italy	I have rarely asked for your help, and I've offered my help freely. I've provided my sincere best efforts to help you with tactics, and I have never sabotaged you. Not once.	Lie	Truth
297 Italy	And if I'm totally honest with you, I could solo this game if I felt like lying to everyone and grabbing dots. I think I've got you all beat tactically. I just have more experience. But that's not been my intent.	Lie	Truth
298 Italy	I've spent hours today talking with England about how best to play Diplomacy. I've tried to give him some honest advice because he asked for it. But I don't know his moves, I haven't asked for them, and I'm not going to take advantage of that relationship to try to stab you. It legitimately did not cross my mind until you accused me of doing it.	Lie	Truth
299 Italy	So, I'm frustrated by this accusation.	Lie	Truth
300 Germany	And I appreciate all you've done for me, really I do. But “completely ending your eastern campaign” is *not* something you did for me; your alliance with Austria dictated that. I felt bad for betraying you while I was doing it, but even then I knew it was the only way to keep the game going in the face of your and Austria's might. And it *wasn't* “all along”, it was a few turns at best so that the rest of us would have a shot at you and Austria not pair-winning right out of the gate. And the only thing that keeps me from thinking you're not gonna do just that on the next move anyway is my belief that you really do want the victory all to yourself, which is still consistent with everything you've done for me. Propping up a weak player at the expense of stronger ones is a classic tactic. (Continuing)	Truth	Truth
301 Germany	And so, by the way, is trying to shame someone for raising extremely legitimate concerns. Whenever I bring up suspicion of you, you're quick to remind me how much you've done for me to put me on the defensive and make me feel indebted. Well frankly that reeks of dishonesty. I never asked you to do those things.	Truth	Truth
302 Germany	If you no longer trust me, so be it. I knew that was a risk when I made my confession. But i'd rather have a partnership based on mutual honesty. That's another reason I confessed—you ought to know that my game philosophy (new as it is) is to trust the map and to trust history first and foremost. The parts of your history that I've seen indicate that you're no saint, no matter what you may have done for me. And when the map shows that one player is clearly dominating and that player is you, you are being deeply naive if you think everyone else is just going to roll over and let you get away with it	Truth	Truth
303 Italy	No, all thumbs up from me. If I were lying to you, I'd smile and say "that sounds great." I'm honest with you because I sincerely thought of us as partners.	Lie	Truth
304 Germany	Oh but you're *not*! You agreed to warn me of unexpected moves, then didn't. When I brought this up you ignored it and misdirected me in hopes I'd forget. You've revealed things to England without my permission, and then made up a story about it after the fact! And you can't be a real partner with someone who is depending on your good graces to survive. That's not a partnership. We could never be real partners unless we had some notion of equality, and I'm outmatched in both skill and numbers. You and Austria, however, were until recently a perfect example of a true partnership. Dot-parity, coordinated attacks, really beautiful work. So don't act as if you don't know this to be true. We were never a partnership of that kind.	Truth	Truth
305 Italy	Well, this is very disappointing to me, and I obviously disagree with the way you are characterizing me and this game. I have a reputation in this hobby for being sincere. Not for being duplicitous. It has always served me well. If you feel that way, then me continuing to explain myself isn't going to change your mind. If you don't want to work with me, then I can understand that. Let's consider our deals and commitments to be void, and let's play our games separately. If you have any deal you'd like to propose, I'll consider them, but I won't continue to try to help your game if you think I'm not sincerely trying to be helpful.	Lie	None
306 Italy	Well, this game just got less fun.	Truth	Truth
307 Germany	for you, maybe.	Truth	Truth
308 Italy	Sent to Germany, England, Austria, Russia: So, England, Germany, Russia, y'all played a great turn last turn. You got me to stab my long-time ally and you ended our pretty excellent 7-year run as an alliance. Russia told me he was with me if I stab Austria. England told me he wanted me to solo so long as I would "teach him" and help his along to second place. Then y'all pulled the rug out from under me. It was clever and effective. (End Part 1)	Truth	Truth
309 Italy	(Part 2) At this stage, my excitement about the game has diminished quite a bit. And of course I'm happy to play on and take my lumps for falling for "Hey, I really want you to solo, just help me place second," but if you guys just want to call it a five-way draw among us and grab a beer together, while reviewing the statistics, that's really my preference. I am outnumbered and I obviously can't solo. And I'm sure some of you in the north are eager to send everyone else flying my way, but I expect Russia and England to be careful, and so I'm not sure there is much room to move forward without simply tipping the board to Germany's favor. I propose that we draw and hug it out.	Lie	Truth
310 Germany	I'm down for a five-way draw. ...and by the way, England was copy-pasting to me the most incriminating messages you sent them. So I knew you were giving England my moves. I do have a certain begrudging respect for you ability to deny, though	Truth	Truth
311 Italy	Well, England is telling me he is happy to see me solo and wants second place...so, should I say "no"? I guess I should have. I was happy the way the game was going before all that.	Truth	Truth
312 Germany	Don't try and pin *your* greed and deceit on England! At least *own* it when you're ruthless	Truth	Truth
313 Italy	You have been given an apple laced with poison. England's only move there was to make you hate me, and he did his job well. You should not let your view of me be defined by someone who has an incentive to make you never speak to me again. We can talk about it more after the game, but I had every intention of continuing to work with you, and I would have done that until England made his play.	Lie	Truth
314 Germany	I have no doubt you would have continued to work with me, but I take issue with someone who can be asked point-blank if they're sharing moves with another player and lie to my face. If you'd come clean, and explained how what you were doing actually *helped* me, somehow, we could have worked together. But you would rather have had me in the dark and that's not sustainable in a partnership.	Truth	Truth
315 Italy	I was trying to play both sides, and England was lying to me, and forwarding my press to try to incriminate me. So, yes, I lied, and so did England. I apologize.	Truth	Truth
316 Italy	Will you please either vote to draw, or let us know that you'd like to play this one out? I am finding it difficult to motivate myself to speak with anyone if the game is just going to draw shortly. Thoughts?	Lie	Truth
317 Germany	I did vote to 5-way draw! And I did so again for this season. So it's not me who's keeping this game alive	Truth	Truth
318 Italy	Well, as we approach the end of the academic study portion of the game, let me say once, with the truth detector activated, that I really enjoyed playing with you and thought you played really well.	Truth	Truth
319 Italy	Was it really your first game? You definitely played like a seasoned vet.	Truth	Truth
320 Germany	I really enjoyed playing with you, too! And yes, it really was my first game. Thanks for all your help and advice	Truth	Truth