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DATE: 03/28/75
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met him, I only saw him on the TV a few months ago, he looks
like a broken man, he did that day anyway. But he was a very
mysterious, very
MR. OLSEN: To use the house term, he was a spook?
MR. MARCHETTI: Yes. He was a very exotic character.
And all kinds of stories float around about Jim Angleton. And
I am sure that some are nothing more than apocryphal and some
are pure rumor.
What intrigued me about this Runge thing is that
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the man he had been
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that Harvey said to
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Agency has been penetrated, it may even, be now
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But then when the guy tried
to dig deeper, Harvey held him at arm' s length.
MR. OLSEN: Who is Harvey?
MR. MARCHETTI: Bill Harvey was a scenario officer.
He had been, among other things Chief of Base in Berlin during
the Cold War He had been Head of the Cuban task force.
MR. OLSEN: Which Cuban task force do you refer to
The one that was organized
MR: MARCHETTI: Within the Agency, the Agency's own.
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Soviet defectors and people who claim to be and have subse-
quently been found to be legitimate defectors.
defectors?
MR. MARCHETTI: You mean found to be illegitimate
MR. OLSEN: No, found to be legitimate defectors
well, either way.
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Usually I didn't have any direct dealings. They were
handled by the Clandestine Services. But you would know the
case. There is the famous case of Olenevsky (?), who is this
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who said that he was a KGB plant,
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point where he was taking out ads in the newspapers to the
effect that he is the tsaravitch, he had survived the shooting,
and the legal claim and the throne.
At this point you don't know if the guy was nuts all
along, and I don't know what the official thinking about it
at the Agency is.
But there have been anumber of others over the years.
There is Golonewski
MR. OLSEN: How do you spell his name.
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defecotrs which you believe to be questionable as to whether
or not it comes within the charter of the CIA?
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MR. MARCHETTI: No.. As I say,
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happened, but I knew practically nothing about it in the Agency.
I had no
For one reason, I didn't pay any attention to it..
reason to. But it was after getting out of the Agency.
This happened to be a case where Rouse under Agency
orders, was directed to Hiney as being a Soviet agent in the
And line apparently to this day claims
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MR. MARCHETTI: No. But you could find out. I don't
know what the Agency was doing. All I know is that Helms
submitted some sort of affidavit which the judge accepted, and
on the basis of that the case was resolved in favor of Rouse.
He had to. idneitify Rouse as being in the Agency's employ and
acting under orders from the Agency. The reasons why, they are
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seem to work properly except in the US. And I am wondering what
kind of use in the US you might be aware of?
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No, I was not.
But that is that system that people are talking about
the laser people bugging system, where they can get a
building across the street there and direct a beam here and
pick it up. It has become quite popular in recent years, at
least they talk about it.
MR OLSEN: You mean in the spy literature?
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Yes.
MR. ROETHE: At page 196 you refer to monitoring of
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MR. ROETHE: There is one reference to breaking into:
embassies at page 199. And there is no reference to any
particular embassy.. Are you aware of any activity where the
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capabilities of the NSA in its technical field, and certain CIA
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MR. ROETHE: On page 207 you indicate that many.
individuals at CIA were pressing for action against the KGB
here in the US as the FBI was not doing a good enough job?
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Yes.
MR ROETHE: Do you know of any actual operations that
were ever taken by teh CIA, or do you have any evidence of such
operations?
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No, I do not.
MR. ROETHE: On page 216 you refer to training of
New and Chicago police.
to, or do you know?
What kind of training are you referring
MR. MARCHETTI: That in just it. I am not exactly sure
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