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am not too far off in what I am about to tell you. The contract
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companies became obsolete, they could only be replaced with
Even ARAMCO had to, by attrition, within a
Onassis' tankers.
period of four-and-a-half to five-and-a-half years, would have,
if their tankers became obsolete, they could only be replaced
by Onassis tankers.
Our statistics, after having studied the contract and
making what we considered to be proper projections, indicated
that at the completion of approximately five-and-a-half years,
Mr. Onassis would control more dead weight tonnage than the
United States controlled in its entirety, that he would control
on the high seas annually more oil by tens of thousands of
gallons more than were used by all of the Allied nations during
the most severe year of the Korean War, that in the first year
his profit would be approximately $17 million dollars, that
after five-and-a-half years his annual profit would be in the
area of $200 million.
While this analysis is going on, we also found that a
million dollar pay-off had been made to one of the top ministers
in Saudi Arabia and we had the evidence but of the Swiss bank
accounts, in other words, contr sy to what a lot of people
believe that they can't be broken, even in those days, they were
broken and we had the evidence with all of the documentation.
We then prepared our inputs and presented them to the
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Senator Huddleston. Of the United States?
Mr. Maheu.
of the United States, and within a matter,
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denounced the agreement. It was the first time that anyone
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do the same thing, and there were also other inputs about the
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presented to the National Security Council verbally but not
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Mr. Madigan. Who made the presentation?
Senator Schweiker. What subsequently happened then with
the Security Council denunciation, et cetera?
Mr. Madigan.
The State Department denounced the agreement
and that same evening we were told that two of the top-CIA
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and the formation of the country.
officials were on their way to Saudi Arabia.
Then I proceeded to dig up the gentleman by the name of
Carl Twitchell by virtue of reading about the country, because
I'm not about ready to go there and not know about the customs
I dug up a man by the name
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be no way of stopping, I mean, he might go to Venezuela and
do the same thing, and there were also other inputs about the
background of Mr. Onassis that I would just as soon not make
a matter of record, but they were not too favorable, that we
presented to the National Security Council verbally but not
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Mr. Madigan. Who made the presentation?
Senator Schweiker. What subsequently happened then with
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Mr. Madigan. The State Department denounced the agreement
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Then I proceeded to dig up the gentleman by the name of
Carl Twitchellaby virtue of reading about the country, because
I'm not about ready to go there and not know about the customs
and the formation of the country. I dug up a man by the name
of Carl Twitchell who was living in Connecticut who turned out
to be the first American who had ever really been accepted by
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old King Saud. Mi Twitchell had spent time in the country
as a mining engineer to help them in the exploitation of
mines. It was in fact to Carl Twitchell that the old king gave
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Carl was the type of man who was only reimbursed for his
expenses. I think his total expenses were slightly in excess
of $8,000. He didn't even keep the banking and percentage
for himself, or a piece of the action, so to speak, and he was
highly, highly loved by the Saudis and although the old king
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reverence from the present
was then gone and King Saud, the son,
Twitchell had the same respect and
leaders as he did from the father and I convinced Mr. Twitchell
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and I convinced him to precede me to Saudi Arabia to try to
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Mr. Maheu. This, I believe, was in '54 or '55, yes.
Anyway, I finally ended up going to Saudi Arabia, having
a meeting with the King's confidential assistant, presenting all
of this evidence, frankly at the time not knowing if the King
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Senator Schweiker. What happened then at your meeting?
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"with the King," but he doesn't show, he stays somewhere else
and the confidential assistant shows up and one trusted
minister that he had with Carl Twitchell present.
And my meeting was scheduled for 8:00 p.m. one night, and
this happaned to be the last day that the King was supposed to
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inland, Jidda being the only major port in Saudi where he
spends his summers, and they were having a big parade for him,
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by, and finally the King's car comes and he is arm and arm with
the man on whom I'm going to give the evidence that night, and
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I frankly was not too comfortable, particularly in view of the
fact that in those days and I don't know whether it has
changed, but in Saudi, the same document did not give you
permission to enter and leave; you had to make application for
an exit visa after you arrived, and I was in constant contact
with the then-United States Ambassador. He made it very clear
that the government approved of everything I was doing, but if
something went wrong they could not come to my rescue, I would
have to be the fall guy, and I was prepared to do it. That was
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Saudi Arabian government would have its flag flying the high
seas,
and at the time that all of this is going on they are
building what then, upon completion of production, had been
the biggest tanker in the world at that time, a ship named
after the old King, a tanker which was scheduled to go and take
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in those days, big circulation in Rome was 20,000. It's hard
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Mr. Maheu. Yes.
Can we go off the record?
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Mr. Liebengood. Was this listening post that you referred
to, was that a project that was related to work for the Central
Intelligence Agency?
Mr. Maheu. I don't believe it was.
Mr. Madigan. Did you have any New York assignments other
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Mr. Maheu. I don't recall his name.
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Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I appeared before a
Grand Jury that was investigating Mr. Frank on another
matter.
Mr. Madigan. On another matter, but you had no recollection
of any investigation of that particular tȧp?
Mr. Maheu. No, I don't.
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Mr. Maheu. No, I don't.
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Mr. Madigan. You don't remember it?
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Mr. Maheu. Yes, sir.
Mr. Madigan. And what were you asked to do with regard
to that?
Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I was asked to find
woman, preferably from Los Angeles, who would agree to go to
á foreign country and under some pretext try to meet the
Leader of the country and hopefully change his basic philosophis
which at the time were thought be detrimental to the United
States, and that they were very, as a result, very seriously
jeopardizing the national security of the government of the
United States.
Mr. Madigan. Did you find such a woman?
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that the Agency and Ï´sponsored her
Mr. Madigan. Did she ever get to meet the foreign leader,
whom we will call A?
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Now can you date that assignment as sometime
in 1956 or '57, does that sound about right, or do you have
any recollection of what year it was?
Mr. Maheu. I don't have any recollection. It was before
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Mr. Madigan. It was sometime after you had begun in '54
with your Agency operation?
Mr. Maheu. That is correct.
Mr. Madigan. Or your sponsorship?
Mr. Maheu. That is correct.
Mr. Madigan. Subsequently, did this Leader "A" come to
the United States to your knowledge after this?
Mr. Maheu. I don't recall whether he came subsequently or
prior to.
Mr. Madigan. When the same leader did come to the United
States, were you involved in any assignment for the CIA with
regard to his presence in the country?
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that the government was very much concerned that the type of
women that would be secured for hin might eventually be very
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government unless said women had been cleared by local police
departments in several of the cities in which he was scheduled
to travel
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Who was the Agency representative that gave
you this assignment?
Did you go through Mr. O'Connell, or was
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State Department.
Mr. Madigan. Who in the State Department?
Mr. Maheu. Mr. Scott McCloud, who was then Director of
the Office of Security and Consular Affairs.
Mr. Madigan. Was it coordinated with the CIA, or was this
strictly between yourself and the State Department?
Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that the CIA was kept
apprised, however that the coordination was with the State
Department, in connection with the security that was being
provided for this leader during his visit to the United States.
Did you meet with the State Department or
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CIA people or both in New York City when the leader arrived
there?
Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I met with Security
Personnel of the State Department.
Mr. Madigan. What did you do in New York for this
assignment?
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Mr. Maheu. I don't recall.
Mr. Madigan. And did you meet with the New York police
with regard to the assignment?
Mr. Maheu. I don't recall.
Mr. Madigan. Did you obtain or send over any females over
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Mr. Maheu. I don't recall.
Mr. Madigan. Do you recall telling me yesterday that you
did send girls over there?
Mr. Maheu. No, I don't.
Mr. Madigan. Did you travel from New York to any other
city with this leader?
Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I did.
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cities?
Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I, through local
Police Department officials or law enforcement officials made
certain that the women who would gain access to the leader's
suite were such that they would not be a security risk insofar
as the national security of our government was concerned.
Mr. Madigan. were these women that would not be a security.
risk be women who the Police Department had some relationship
with?
Mr. Maheu. I don't know what you mean by relationship,
Mr. Madigan.
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Mr. Maheu. I don't recall.
Mr. Madigan. Do you recall telling me yesterday that you
Mr. Maheu. No, I do not.
Mr. Madigan. Do you recall telling me yesterday when I
asked you whether someone had travelled from city to city, you
indicated that you thought maybe one did, but you weren't sure
about how many others.
Mr. Maheu. That is correct.
Mr. Madigan. How many cities did you visit during the
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Mr. Maheu. Do you recall yesterday identifying the
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Mr. Madigan. I do..
Let's go off the record.
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Mr. Madigan. According to your understanding, Mr. Maheu,
of the project that you were involved in with the State
Department in providing the women to this foreign leader in the
[various cities starting from New York and going through the
other cities he stayed at, do you believe the women that were,
sent over to his hotel were prostitutes?
Mr. Maheu. That they may have been, yes.
Mr. Madigan. And you did particpate under instructions
of the government.. to send these women over to his hotel or to
make them available to him at his hotel, not knowing what
happened after they got to the hotel? -
Mr. Maheu. That is correct.
Mr. Madigan. And that occurred in New York and the other
cities that he stayed at while he was in the United States?
Mr.Maheu. That is correct.
Mr. Madigan. And as far as these women travelling with
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Mr. Maheu. I have no recollection that any woman travelled
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Mr. Madigan. You think may have traveled from city to
city, or four or five?
Mr. Maheu. One may have gone to one further city. That
is the best of my recollection.
Mr. Madigan. And the others that were provided in each
city were sort of local, so that they could be controlled,
more or less, by the local police?
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Mr. Madigan. Do you remember when that assignment was
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he brought back from Russia with him an attractive, Russian
agent, and that his philosophies relative to the United States
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Mr. Madigan. As a result of that, what assignment did you
receive, if any, from the CIA?
Mr. Maheu.
As a result, I was asked if - well, as a
result I was provided with pictures reflecting the quarters
allegedly reflected the quarters to which she was assigned
during his trip to Russia, photographs of the female agent,
and I was asked f. I could find some contacts in Los Angeles.
who could producé à set resembling the headquarters. reflected
fon the pictures, a woman who looked like the female agent, a
male who looked like the leader, and take some pictures.
subsequently showing them together within the confines of the
alleged headquarters.
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Mr. Madigan. Who was that?
Mr.Maheu. I recruited a man who was working for me in
Tucson, Arizona by the name of Charles Kays, a female agent
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Mr. Maheu. The CIA provided me with photographs, and
the services of a person in Los Angeles who was in the
industry, on behalf of the CIA,
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I beg your pardon?
You were just telling him about it?
Mr. Maheu. No, Mr. Hughes had been in the industry, he
had been in movie studios, I thought he could be helpful to
this contract.
Mr. Madigan. Did you deal with O'Connell with regard to
this contract or with somebody else?
Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I dealt with Mr.
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Mr. Maheu. By today's technology, I would say definitely
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Mr. Madigan. Did you make any still photographs or
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Mr. Maheu. No, I did not.
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Mr. Madigan. Were you told what was going to be done
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Mr. Maheu. I was told that the stills would be distributed
in the country of the leader in an attempt to embarrass him
and hopefully as a result remove what was considered to be
very serious threat to the national security Our country.
Mr. Madigan. Were you ever familiar with the project names
that were attached to these assignments by the CIA?
Mr. Maheu. Not that I recollect, no.
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Mr. Maheu. I contacted Mr. Gregson Bautzer.
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Mr. Madigan. Was part of your assignment to line up a
woman who was to try and associate herself with this leader
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have present people who with whom he would have an opportunit
to converse concerning his interests in the movie industry,
Fand the making of movies, and talk to not only starlets, but
I believe that some male stars were also invited to the party,
Mr. Madigan. As a result of the party, did the leader
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there was some embarrassment because it turned out that the
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Mr. Maheu.
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Mr. Maheu. I have no recollection that I did.
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Mr. Maheu. I have no recollection that I did.
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mention it.
Mr. Madigan. Do you think she might have been the person?
Mr. Maheu. I think she might have been, yes.
Mr. Madigan. Did you contact Howard Hughes with regard
to that assignment?
Mr. Maheu. No, I did not. However, Mr. Bautzer was, in
those days, Mr. Hughes' personal attorney.
Mr. Madigan. Would you date that party assignment as
being around 1959?
Mr. Maheu. I don't recall. It was before 1960, but that
would sound approximately right.
Mr. Madigan. Did you ever have your office in Washington
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that would be using it for cover was?
Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that my role was limited
simply to fund their income. In other words, they would be on
the payroll of Robert A. Maheu Associates and that I would be
reimbursed the exact amount of their pavroll.
As to the specific assignments, I have no recollection.
Mr. Madigan. What types of duties would they have for
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Yes, we did.
Mr. Madigan.
Would you recall that to be around 1968,
or do you have a specific recollection?
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Mr. Madigan. And did you ever hear of the name Peletier.
with regard to that cover arrangement?
Mr. Maheu. I don't recall. My recollection is that the
guy's name was Mike Marrage or Mihrage, but I don't recall
the name Peletier. Perhaps he was placed on the payroll as
Peletier, but I don't recall.
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Mr. Maheu. No, I do not.
Mr. Madigan. In covert terms whether it was an espionage
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I believe that from time to time a Jack
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awhile?
Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that he did some work for
Robert A. Maheu Associates and, as I say, not an employee.
Mr. Madigan. Do you know what types of assignments he
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Mr. Maheu. I don't remember his name.
Mr. Madigan.
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Mr. Liebengood. Mr. Jack Stewart?
Mr. Maheu. Don't remember his name.
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using of your office as a listening post or anything like that?
Mr. Maheu. I don't remember.
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Mr. Maheu.
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After the departure of Mr. Meier, while going through his
files, Mr. Ellson ran into some documents that indicated some
very serious double escrows on mining properties and we
recommended to Mr. Hughes that all the information be made
available to the authorities and let the chips fall where they
may.
Mr. Liebengood. Do you know why Mr. Hughes was not inclined
to follow your recommendations with regards to Meier's termina-
tion at earlier dates?
Mr. Maheu. He was afraid that Meier would embarrass him.
At least, that is what he told me.
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a deal for a venture in Mexico on the part of Hughes Aircraft
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J-a-m-i-e or something like that, I don't recall. But to try
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Mr. Liebengood. Just to be certain I understand, this
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in Ecuador? Is that correct?
Mr. Maheu. Well, of trying to save the lawsuit, yes.
That's right.
Mr. Liebengood. And you think the name of this would-be
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Mr. Maheu. I don't remember whether that was the first
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Do you know who accompanied Meier and
F. Donald Nixon on this trip to the Dominican Republic, the
celebrated trip?
Mr. Maheu. No, I do not.
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about this afterwards.
Mr. Liebengood. Who else was witting of the cover
arrangements that you had with the Agency through Robert A.
You mentioned Meier and this particular
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