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PERSONAL RECORD QUESTIONNAIRE
PART 11
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OPERATIONAL INFORMATION
INSTRUCTIONS TO CASE OFFICER
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PRO NO.
DISPATCH NO.
1. This form must be filled in by the case officer of appropriate authority on the basis of the beat available in
formation. It is not to be shown to the subject.
2. Kormally, beadquarters will be unable to sasue an approval unless requester furnishes answers to all questions
in P&Q parts I and 11. However, in an eaergency provisional approval say be obtained by complying with the ap-
plicable provisions of FR 10-215. paragraphs 64. 8. 12b and 12d. Thereafter the usual method to document or coo-
plate the case must be followed as set forth in FB 10-285.
3. Three (3) completed copies of PRO part I (including copy in subject's handwriting, if possible) and two (2) coo
pleted copies of this form must be sent to headquarters as soon as possible.
4. Data acquired later must be sent to headquartura in PRO format in two (2) copies.
5. Fill in all ctour, if information obtainable. If item not applicable write "NA." If additional space required
for ites, use reverse aide of page keyed to appropriate stew sumber.
1. CRYPTOWY
2. PSEUDONYM
CREBONY/1
Frederick, T. Dominic
SECTION S
CONTACT AND DEVELOPMENT
1. INDICATE NO. THEN, WHERE. SKY. AND BY WHOM SUBJECT WAS FIRST CONTACTED OR DEVELOPED.
In response to Headquarters requests, London Station officer George E. Katzenbach
contacted Subject in London in mid-January 1965 for the purpose of debriefing him on
his experiences in the pro-Chicom milieu in Africa and western Europe up to the time
of his departure from the staff of Revolution in sping 1964. This was followed up by
in-depth debriefing sessions carried out by Katzenbach in a PBSWING conference room
on 17,18,19 and 23 February. On the basis of these talks it was decided to recruit
Subject for a test assignment in Algiers during the summer of 1965 during which time
he would attempt to build long-term access and cover for reporting on activities and
personalities in the Afro-Asian community. KUDESK/ICG staffer Joseph S. Tiffany
was dispatched to London TDY 1-7 June for this purpose. Aix After recruitment end
agreement to LCFLUTTER examination, Subject was introduced to his Paris-based Case
Officer, Rufus F. PODIGAST, on 3 June.
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INDICATE ETHER SUBJECT COULD BE TURNED OVER QUICKLY AND IN A SECURE MANNER TO ANY RESPONSIBLE CASE OFFICER FOR
NARGLING. IF 50. INDICATE TO WHOM.
Yes! To any Case Officer introduced to him by RODIGAST, TIFFANY or
KATZENBACH.
3. LIST OTHER CASE OFFICERS WHO HAVE HANDLED SUBJECT OR HOM HE KNOWS OR HAS KROWN. GIVE NAMES BY WHICH THEY HAVE
SEEN ANOR.
KATZENBACH
TIFFANY
RODIGAST
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"Robert 'Bob' Gustke"
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SECTION 11
NOTIVATION AND CONTROL
1. ESTIMATE SUBJECT'S MOTIVATION. (Be detailed, if provable cite evidence. Do not we stock come such as ***
communist.")
Subject's lack of funds and a job are of primary importance. His need for
cash (evidenced to some extent by his attempt to peddle articles to China Quarterly,
Encounter and Atlantic Monthly in the fall of '64) was critical. But of even
greater significance is his desire to effect his long-range rehabilitation in order
not to be stuck in the morass of the impecunious and "morally fraudulant" extreme left)
2. INDICATE WHAT CONTROL. IF ANY. EXISTS OVER THE SUBJECT. (If no centrol, or if there is a lack of real control
explasa.)
For the rest of his life. Also important in Subject's motivation is the sense of
adventure connected with "The Game", which is enhanced by his desire to deceive
(to put one over on) those persons, such as Verges, who exploited and deceived him.
Subj. evinces deep contempt for these professional revolutionaries and what be
refers to, with feeling, as their "moral frand".
need control fit quite strongly in the area of Subject's material welfare and
SECTION 11
COVER
1. COVER USED BY SUBJECT AND CASE OFFICER IN THEIR MEETINGS.
Subj. explained to his wife that "Wilson" (Katzenbach), who telephoned his home
was an American publisher's representative. Subj. and Rodigast will use a journalist/
literary agent cover in the unlikely event their clandestine meetings are compromised.
2. COVER USED BY SUBJECT IN OBTAINING HIS INFORMATION AND IN CONTACTING HIS INFORMANTS.
Freelance journalist, author.
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sympathetic ristist
”. INDICATE SERVICE FOR WHICH SUBJECT THINKS NE (Will work) (2s working).
KIBARK
SECTION IV
INTELLIGENCE CONNECTIONS AND TRAINING
1. EXPLAIN SUBJECT'S KNOWN PAST OR PRESENT CONNECTION WITH ANY OTHER INTELLIGENCE SERVICE. INDICATE THE EXTENT
SUCH CONNECTION IS KNOWN OVERTLY.
Subj. applied for association with KUBARK in 1950 and again in 1960; his enemies
have tried to discredit him by calling him a KIBARK agent, but there is good evidence
that this rumor campaign has not hurt him among his friends, even his friends on the
extreme left of the political spectrum. No known I. S. connection.
2. LIST OTHER INDIVIDUALS (Agents, relatives, friends) WHO KNOP OF SUBJECT'S PRESENT INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES.
Hone.
3. EXPLAIN AKY TRAINING SUBJECT HAS HAD IN CLANDESTINE OPERATIONS.
Basic security tradecraft briefings in London 1
Si training in Paris 14 June 1965.
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SECTION V
1.
COLLABORATION POTENTIAL
INDICATE OTHER FOREIGN PODER SUBJECT COULD BE MOST LIKELY TO COLLABORATE WITH BECAUSE OF HIS IDEOLOGY OR PAST
ASSOCIATIONS. EXPLAIN.
British. Subj. resided in London from June '64 to June 165. His wife is
a British subject.
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SECTION VI
OPERATIONAL USE - CONTACT
1. IF SUBJECT HAS BEEN USED OR CONTACTED BEFORE. INDICATE ACTIVITY IN WHICH HE HAS ENGAGED AND THE TYPE OF INFOR.
MATION HE HAS FURNISHED.
In December 1963 Subj. was interviewed by a consulate officer in Paris for
information on Lee Harvey Oswald, who reportedly had some contact with the Fair
Play for Cuba Committee. Subj. was completely co-operative and the interviewer
suggested follow-up, but the contact was dropped.
2. INDICATE HOO AND FROM HOM SUBJECT OBTAINS INFORMATION.
Subj. elicits information from his broad circle of friends and acquaintances
in the Afro-Asian/liberation movement areas.
3. INDICATE THAT HAS BEEN TOLD SUBJECT AS TO THE DISPOSITION OF INFORMATION ME FURNISHES.
Nothing
4. DETAIL SUBJECT'S PROPOSED Ft OR CI TYPE USE OR DUTIES.
Subject will operate under free lance journalist cover to develop contacts
in the target milieu of Afro-Asian "Anti-imperialist" activity and solicit informa-
tion from them on their activity, plans and views. It is possible that such
contacts may lead to a possibility of employment or association with some organ-
ization in this field, but whether or not he will be instructed to accept will
depend on the specific nature of the job and similar factors which cannot be
anticipated now.
S. DETAIL SUBJECT'S PROPOSED PP.PM TYPE USE OR DUTIES.
No PM duties or use is anticipated. No systematic CA exploitation is
anticipated given the risk of compromise. Selective CA exploitation within his cover
situation - i.e. as a provacateur or means to surface anti-Soviet material
from a National Liberation" standpoint will be continually possible.
SECTION VII
PROPOSED LIAISON OR OPERATIONAL ACTIVITY
1. DETAIL SUBJECT'S PROPOSED LIAISON TYPE CONTACT OR OPERATIONAL USE:
A. WHERE SUBJECT IS AN OFFICIAL MEMBER OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT:
Hone.
8. WHERE SUBJECT IS AN OFFICIAL MEMBER OF AN ODYOKE AGENCY:
SECTION VI
AGENCY RELATIONSHIP WITH SUBJECT
1. EXPLAIN NATURE OF AGENCY RELATIONSHIP WITH SUBJECT: 1.E. TRAINEE, OPPOSITE NUMBER. REMUNERATION. IF
PERSONNEL KNOWN TO SUBJECT.
Subj. has a contract for 1 June
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ANY: AGENCY
September 1965 providing for salary of
$500.00 per month, non-accountable expenses of $100.00 per month and per diem
computed at the rate of $20 for days spent travelling to and from Algiers and
$10 for period of residence in Algiers. (The $10 rate represents an oral amendment
to the contract.) This is to be renegotiated o/a 1 September for extension to
The years WITH
termination clause.
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SECTION IX
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QUALIFICATIONS FOR OTHER OPERATIONS
INDICATE SPECIAL ABILITIES, TALENTS, OR QUALIFICATIONS POSSESSED BY SUBJECT WHICH COULD CONCEIVABLY BE OF VALUE
FOR OTHER OPERATIONS.
SECTION X
Subject's skill as writer/editor may qualify him for CA work.
COMMITMENTS
1. IF IT IS PROPOSED TO PAY SUBJECT A REGULAR SALARY. INDICATE THE WEEKLY AMOUNT. IF PAYMENT TO BE MADE IN EXCHANGE
COMMODITIES. SUBSIDY OR OTHER MOTHER, SPECIFY AND GIVE DETAILS.
See Section VIII. In addition it is set forth in the Letter of Agreement
with Subject, that KUBARK will compensate Subject for any relocation of his family
required by virtue of an approved change in place of employment.
2. EXPLAIN ANY PROMISES. OTHERWISE NOT COVERED HEREIN, MADE TO SUBJECT. (Example: Commitments regarding evacuation
of subject and family.)
See Letter of Agreement. KUBARK recognizes its moral obligation to protect Subject
against any adverse action which might result from activities engaged in by Subject
at the request of KUBARK during his period of employment.
SECTION XI
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CE AND SECURITY
INDICATE THE FIELD AGENCIES AND FIELD FILES WITH WHICH SUBJECT'S NAME HAS BEEN CHECKED AND THE RESULTS.
London, Algiers, Paris Station files; JAGUAR, ODENVY traces and reports are also
included in material available on Subject.
2. INDICATE OTHER INVESTIGATIVE MEASURES TAKEN TO VERIFY BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION FURNISHED BY SUBJECT.
Reports have been received by various QKOPERA contract agents.
INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT PROVISIONAL OPERATIONAL APPROVAL OR OPERATIONAL AP-
PROVAL FOR SUBJECT'S USE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY OBTAINED
No POA required under the terms of CSI 10-5.
4. DATE APPROVAL OBTAINED
5. EVALUATE SUBJECT'S CHARACTER. RELIABILITY AND SECURITY. CITING EVIDENCE WHERE POSSIBLE.
Subject is a rather cynical intellectual. He has a keen sense of what is in his
best interest, however, and there is xxx every reason to believe that he considere a
reliable and secure performance for KUBARK to be in his best interest. He showed
a good sense of security in communications during his recruitment period. LCFLUTTER
examination 13 June 1965 revealed no deception by Subject.
6. EXPLAIN ANY SITUATION OR INDISCRETION IN WHICH SUBJECT MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WHICH MUST BE EVALUATED FROM A
CE/OPERATIONAL SECURITY VIEWPOINT.
While working for AFP in Paris (1958) Subject forged the signature of a personal
enemy, Ollie Harrington, to a letter to the editor calculated to get Harrington in
trouble with French authorities. Subject ahsamed of this action.
SECTION XII
1. USE OF LIQUOR. DRUGS: GAMBLING. PARAMOURS.
SUBJECT'S PERSONAL HABITS
Liquor in moderatiion, no drugs. He is believed to have engaged in extra-marital
sexual affairs, but in a discreet manner.
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AVOCATIONAL INTERESTS
1. INDICATE SUBJECT'S HOBBIES OR INTEREST IN SPORTS, MUSIC, ETC.
None known
SECTION XIV
GENERAL
INDICATE WHETHER SUBJECT'S LANGUAGE ABILITIES AND OTHER CHARACTERISTICS. ARE SUCH AS HE COULD PASS AS A NATIVE
OF A COUNTRY OR BEGION OTHER THAN HIS OWN. EXPLAIN.
Subject speaks fluent but foreign-accented French. He has a functional speaking
command of Spanish and Italian and can read German. Except for his language,
be could pass as an Algerian.
2. INDICATE WHETHER INFORMATION IN PRO PARTS 1 AND IT WAS OBTAINED BY RESEARCH. CLANDESTINE ASSESSMENT. FILES,
CORRESPONDENCE OR OTHER MEANS.
All source, including extensive interview of Subject during the period
January
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June 1965
3. IF OTHER THAN ROUTINE ACTION IS REQUIRED. IF AND WHEN TERMINATION OF SUBJECT IS EFFECTED. PLEASE EXPLAIN. (Also
see para. 43b. supra)
None anticipated
SECTION XV
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EMERGENCY CONDITIONS RECONTACT ARRANGEMENTS
GIVE FULL DETAILS 1.E. RECOGNITION SIGNALS, S/E HERE COULD CONTACT BE MADE: WHAT BONA FIDES COULD INDIVIDUAL
MAKING CONTACT USE.
Original method of contact was phone call to Subject's home (by Katzenbach) using
At the name Wilson. Subsequent RODIGAST contacts have been laid on at prior meetings
and vary as to time and place. Ax signal is provided for (removal of glasses, which
both wear) should either wish to prevent the meeting. A simple carbon-pad type, low
level SW was used by Subject for sending emergency messages to a Paris drop.
has been replaced by an open code system to cover specific requirements, laid at on at
each meeting.
SECTION XVI
MISCELLANEOUS OPERATIONAL DATA AND REMARKS
This
LCFLUTTER examination of Subject o/a 13 June (no deception reported PALP 4056).
DATE
29 June 1965
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STEBORY JAGUAR
JAGUAR Report of STEBONY Surveillance
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RE: 43-3' - (CHECK "X ONE)
MARKED FOR INDEXING
NO INDEXING REQUIRED
INDEXING CAN BE JUDGED
BY QUALIFIED HQ. DESK ONLY
Pursuant to the suggestion contained in DIR 04341, 23 April 1965,
we asked JAGUAR to lay on such coverage as they could manage. After some
weeks has passed, and JAGUAR had not moved in this direction, we repeated
our request, pointing out that STEBCNY/1 would soon be leaving. Short
handed and hampered by certain restrictions, JAGUAR moved in to do what
they could, and their coverage was due to start almost at the same time
as TIFFANY was to begin his meetings with S/1. We contacted JAGUAR and
told them to lay off (much to our chagrin) for the time being. This they
did, but then, without our being advised, they resumed their coverage.
We don't know exactly how long they actually had him in their sights,
but they have now given us a letter (text below) suggesting that he was
watched on 5, 6 and 7 June. A JAGUAR officer advised us informally
that S/1 "seemed to be out of town" for one or two days. (TIFFANY had
mentioned that he might take S/1 to the country for a day, but we don't
know whether in fact he did so.)
2. Here is JAGUAR's notes
"As explained in conversation on the 8th June, 1965, we
have received a report on S/1's movements during the period 5th -
7th June, 1965. Nothing of interest was learnt about his movements
on the 6th and 7th June, but you may be interested in the following
information relating to the 5th June:
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"S/1 left his home at 11.25 and travelled by taxi to
the Haymarket where he entered the American Express offices.
He obtained a ticket for an air passage to Brussels and
a train journey to Basle, thence to Lausanne and Paris where
he was due to arrive on the 10th June. He paid £20-29-18
for his ticket. He left the American Express at 12.30 and
subsequently returned home at 13.20 hours.
"He left home again at 14.05 and went to the Clarendon
Court Hotel in Maida Vale. He came out of the building
after five minutes and wandered around for twenty minutes
before returning to the hotel. He stayed there until 18.45
when he left alone and returned home.
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3. The JAGUAR officer also told me that s/1's contact at the Clarendon
Court Hotel was not identified by the surveillant, who in fact did not
know which room S/1 had visited. The contact, of course, was TIFFANY,
registered as GUSTKE.
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Chief, KUNOLF; Chief, KERK; Chief, AF
Chief, WI
Chief of station, Algiers; Chief of Station, London.
Chief of Station, Paris/LCPIPIT
DIDORIC/Operational
QRPREY/Launching the Good Ship SYRBEY
A. PALP 4056
B. PALP
4057
ACTION REQUESTED; Para 7,
Para 8, Para 46.
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în 12 June 1965 SIMBENY/1 mot Kit♬ Career Agent Aufus F. RODIZAST
in Paris in accordance with instructions and for the next three days underuent
debriefings, briefings, an LCFLØTTER examination, and training in preparation
fer his summer 1365 ansigment te Algiers. At the conclusion of this period
LCFIPER felt that S/1: had absorbed sufficiently the guidance given him,
had responded satisfactorily to Case Officer control, was apparently clear of
hostila direction, and une motivated to perform creditably throughout his three-
month trial employment.
ATTACHMENTS J.S.C.:
A. Idens.
3.
C.
RODIGAST contact reports for 12,14415 June metings
BODIGAST report on STEBONY/1's comments re Prants
Fanon Documentation Center, Milan..
D. RODIGAST report en STRPONY/1's commenta re the
British Guiana PPP office in London.
F: BOAST Ter of two published works by SEBOWY/1
Cy of STABONY/1 initial /w letter to RODIGAST.
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Personally, 8/1 appeared to understand and to follow good security
practices by and large, but he was concerned that his wife now suspected his
of being up to something" of which she did not approve. In short, his overall
long-term security sypesred wenkert closest to MORE. vertheless, he appeared
highly confident that previous denunciations to which he had been subjected
would not "stick" and that he could rapidly reestablish himself among revolutionary
circles.
His relationship to KUBANK over the longer period has apparently
been of considerable interest to him, to the extent that he stated he would be
interested in some sort of career status with KUBARK (with retirement benefits)
and perhaps one day a "less covert" position. At this time in our relationship
with 5/1, however, LCPIPIT is concerned primarily with what to do with hia
en 1 September 1965. In fact, in view of the 19-20 June developments in Algiers
and the possible postponement of most of the activities 8/1 was to cover in
efforts to reestablish himself as a legitimate propagandist for national liber-
¨ation movements, USAFX may find it not only feasible, but necessary, to revise
8/1's initial KUBARK mission.
In the days and weeks to come we will be reporting 8/1's progress as
ho relates his accomplishments and problems through 5/d commnications and in
moetings with RODIJAST. We shall be submitting recommendations on 3/1's longer
term utility to KURBANK as 150 have more information upon which to make some
Judgments. We know that addressses will be subjecting the STEBONY operation
a to constant evaluation and analysis throughout the summer, and we will appreciate
contimund and coordinated guidance on how best to exploit the unique potential
represented by this asset.
1. ICPIPIR SUPPORT FOR THE STEBONY OPERATION
1. On 3 June 1965 STRBOWY/1 signed a letter of agreement with
GOTOR in London, in effect a contract with KUBANK. Upon signing the letter
of agreement and agreeing to undergo an LCFLUTEZH emgination, 5/1 was introduced
to Rafus P. RODIGAST, a KIROLF Career Agent based in Paris who had been designated
8/1's outside ease officer. RODIJAST is known to 8/1 under the alias "Paul
Heller." RODIGAST net at length with 8/1 on 3, 5, and 6 June and made arrange-
meats for 2/1 to meet him in Paris 12 June and undergo further training, briefing,
and security processing prior to embarking on a trial assignment of some 10 weeks.
2. On 12 June 1965 8/1 made contact with RODIGAST in Paris in
recordance with instructions and uns taken immediately to a safehouse for
debriefing on his 8-11 June trip in West Europe and for training in the use
of s/v system #64. RODI:EST's Contact Report on this meting and his report of
the debriefing are included in Attachment B (USC.). 5/1 was passed $200.00
ta ma travel arrangements for his trip to Earth Africa. (See also PALP 4057).
3. On 13 June 3/1 again met RODIGAST in accordance with instructions
and was taken to his LCVLUTTER exssination at an LCPIPIT safehouse. The results
of this examination were forwarded in PALP 4056. In short, the outcome of the
mination was considered satisfactory for the crossed operational umme of 5/1.
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On 14 and 15 June RODIJAST again mot with 8/1 for further
debriefings on the latter's contacts in Paris. RODICAST then briefed him on
KUTUAR requirements for 16XE and passed on the requirement: fizionatin
forwarded in DIR 18107 and DIR 18675. RODIGAST's reports on these metings
are also included in Attachment B (USC). On 14 June 5/1 was passed $500.00
as an advance on his per diem and travel expenses for his next meeting with
RODIGAST. RODIGAST considers 5/1 an apt student who learned the S/W system
well in soms two hours of instruction. Paris KURIOT Officer DONARY noted
some carelessness on &/1's part in the test messages, and this was subesquently
brought to 5/1's attention in the overall security briefing he received from
RODIGAST.
communications system established with 5/1 consists of
pre-arranged meeting sites and times, a one-way S/W system, and the use of the
classified advertising section of the Algiers El Moudjahid (received daily in
Paris) by 5/1 to signal a postponement of meeting dates. The one-way system was
chosen for this initial stage of the agent's operational relationship with KUPAKK
for reasons of security; given the operational climate in Algiers and the
specific circles in which 8/1 must move, and adding to the sudden political
upheaval in Algeria, 5/1 would not be in a position to receive incoming commun)-
ications safely. As of 23 June 8/1 had initiated S/W correspondence, his initial
effort being clearly legible and the content operationally worthwhile. (See
Attachment P).
6. The next RODIGAST contact with 8/1 is scheduled for 15 July in
Bone.
(See CFLA 2538 for LCPIPIT's request for Rose Station support.) In
view of the events that have just taken place in Algeria the meeting may well
be concerned as much with rethinking 8/1's operational objectives for the
period following 16 July as with debriefings, briefings, and passage of funds.
Even though latest indications are that Bandung II will pressed as scheduled,
it is questionable whether the AAJA or the Afro-Asian Komen's conference will be
held in Algiers this sumer. Moreover, there is no assurance at this writing
that MEMINCE will not be either postponed, canceled, or moved elsewhere. Add
to this the possibility that DEN A might be on the scene profiting from the
sudden rise in the political fortunes of his friends, and Algiers suddenly
Losss some of its appeal as an area in which to carry out a meaningful test
of §/1's operational capabilities. The next three wooks will tall us much
and perhaps allay many of our apprehensions.
7. Nevertheless, RODICAST Bust be prepared to handle a number of
eventualities in his 15 July meeting, not the least of these being a possible
revision of &/1's mission. The following possible alternatives present them-
salves; we ack fieadquarters to address its attention to them and to other
developmental targets and to cable recommendations and guidance prior to 13
July:
A. 8/1 to remin on site, continue his efforts to establish
credentials and find a job in Algiers, or eleabere, in the national liberation
movement, and report en political developments in Algeria.
B. 8/1 to travel to Dar es Salaam to look into the job offer
time ago by Dennis PROPHEAR.
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to prossed to Brussels to continue development of IIE
(ase CFLA 2541).
D. 8/1 to return to London to write up reports and operational
proposals and polish up the translation of mẾN B's book.
E. 8/1 to follow the RIMORCE caravan wherever it my lead (perhaps
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8. The second BODIGAST meeting of the summer with 3/1 is tentatively
scheduled for the second week in August, site to be determined. Addreasses will
know that 8/1's wife is expecting their third child a/a 11 August and that 8/1
intends to be in London at that time if at all possible. Although he told
RODĪGAST he would forego a visit to London at that time if it were operationally
za, he would find it difficult to justify his absence to his wife unless
he wore to have a truly plausible and urgent cover assignment. We must therefore
anticipate in all likelihood that 5/1 will be out of action for most of the
second week of August. In any event, RODIGAST will probably be able to meet
8/1 somewhere in Europe when 3/1 returns to be with his wife and will at that
time hope to be in a position to discuss with 8/1 the best employment of his
talents for the balance of the three-month contract period and to pursue with
hin his longer range utilisation as well. Headquarters views, then, are needed
both with respect to the wenke immediately following the 15 July seeting
referred to in the previous paragraph as well as with respect to the post-
August period.
9. Administratively, LCPIPIT has so far funded 5/1 to the extent
of $700.00 and has initiated action to have his salary and nonsccountable
operational advance deposited to his Swiss bank account. These payments are
being made in advance because of 5/1's initially pressing financial needs.
It is our understanding that the 1 July and 1 August 1965 depoalts of $600.00
to 8/1's Swiss bank account will be effected securely and on time through
BIHAD/1 (see DIR 20944 and DIA 21703). Action was also taken to clarify the
question of 8/1's per diem. He have received his initial accountings for travel,
per diem, and operational expences for the period 8 - 12 June.
10. On the basis of information available to LCPIPIT, 8/1 has received
the following payments from KUBAX since he was first contacted in London by
George H. KATZENBACH in January of this year (we have no record at hand of the
KUBAIK funds passed 5/1 by FAINUM Of KRYENSIS);
AMOUNT
DAYS
$300.00
400.00
400.002
Apr11/65
400.00
Ray/65
100.00 6/2/65
500.00 6/3/65
100.00 6/3/65
200.00 6/3/65
1/25/65 (o/a)
2/23/65
COMMENT
Opa payment per DIR 78506
Ops payment per ORIN 21869
Ops payment per DIR 39974
Ops payment per DIR 04341
Opa payment per DIR 04341 (signing bonus)
Ops salary advance for June/65$
Honaccountable ops advance for hae/65
Travel and por dian advance
200.00
500.00
6/12/65
Travel Advance
6/14/65
Travel and per diam advance.
TOTAL:
$3,100.00
11.
Beginning with the Ops payment in May 1965, these payments have
begn T/A'd to Headquarters for charge to YQHITCH. In addition to his present
salary of $500.00 per month and his $100.00 monthly nonaccountable advance for
operational expenses, 5/1 is entitled to the following under the letter of
agreement be signed 3 June 1965:
a) necessary expenses incurred in connection with such operational
travel as may be directed or authorised by ⱭDYQKE.
b) operational expenses in excess of $100.00 monthly nonaccountable
advance as are specifically authorized by ODYONE.
c) compensation in an amount mutually agreed upon for the relocation
of 8/1 and his family to a new residence if such relocation is considered
desirable by 9/1 and ODYOKE.
d) per diem at the rate of $20.00 per day during periods of
suthorized travel (1.0.1 during absence from London).
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II. PRELIMINARY ASSESSEKET
12. At this stage in KUBARK's relationship with STXBOWY/1 it is
well to note certain factors that must be taken into consideration as we seek
to devise a longer-ters operation centered on his capabilities and potential.
For the sake of brevity, if not precision, we will discuss these factors under
the following being at Antiation, Bundling & Midanes, i
Security, Termination, and KUBARK Operational Requirements.
PERSONAL, ASSETS:
13. SINBOWY/1, as has been noted in CELA 42,750 "really astonishes
with the breadth of his personal information and understanding... [ of]
African affairs (especially in left-wing fields), European Trotskyists and
Communists and their general milieu, and Chinese-oriented international front
organizations. Similarly, he appears to be informed on certain Chicom efforts at
subversion and propaganda in Latin America." Combined with this knowledge and
understanding is a long list of personal contacts in left-wing revolutionary
airoles and a reputation as an articulate and committed agitator for national
liberation movements.
14. The Agent exudes an air of self-confidence and presents himself
wall and dynamically in interpersonal relationships. He has demonstrated talent
as a working journalist, especially as a reportar. While we have limited infor-
sation here upon which to base an evaluation of the accuracy and thoroughness of
his reports, they have tended to be consistent on the whole and reveal the workings
of a mind capable of storing may vast amounts of information and recalling it
with minimal stimulation. 5/1 seems to have good command of the French language
and can get by in Italian and Spanish. He has had considerable experience
in international travel, apparently accommodating wall to various degrees
of discomfort and hardship as the case may require. He is able to use cœaras
and tape recorders operationally, and he quickly learned s/w techniques.
15. Because of his coloring and facial characteristics 8/1 can
pass relatively unnoticed as a North African, Hear Easterner, South Asien,
or American Negro, inter alia. He gives the impression of being able to
strike up casual friendships readily and easily.
HOTTTATION
16. This is a sticky area open to considerable speculation at
this point, though there are specific actions and statements on the part of
8/1 indicating he has sought some professional relationship with KUBARK for
several years. We understand, for example, that he tried to establish contact
with CDYOKE while a student in Italy in 1951-52, that he appeared to be mout
cooperative when questioned by PESWING Paris in relation to the assassination
of President Zemedy, and that he took a calculated (7) risk by writing in
directly to KUBAIK in the summer of 1962 offering his services. In his contacts
with KUBARKers since January of this year he has given every indication of
being forthcoming and, apparently, sincerely interested in cooperating with us.
One has the impression he was hoping to be recruited, and he certainly didn't
play hard to get.
17. Now that he has signed a letter of agreement, undergon
LCFLUTTER, and been passed a considerable amount of KUBARK money hệ may
consider himself already "on the team," though in effect he was told specifically
at the outant that he had to prove himself over the next three months.
has intimsted to HODIGAST that he would like to parlay his present association
with KUBA into a long-term career relationship including retirement,
insurance, etc. He has even alluded to an interest in working for RODIGAST's
"service" in a "less covert" capacity sometime in the future.
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In his early talks with the London Station and again in his talks with BODIGAST
and TIFFANY the Agent has indicated some degree of disenchantment with the
organizations and personalities, if not the ideology, of the left-wing factions
with thich he had been so intimately involved. lie has never goon so far as
to renounce his birthright and citizenship, nor does he consider himself
disloyal after several years of professional anti-7BPADS activity. He
intimates that he would someday like to return home, though he doubts he
would be allowed to live down his past and start a new career in PAPADNE.
19. On the basis of information available to us us could not
ay that simmerY/1 is or ever was an ideologically committed Marxist-Leninist.
might say that he has nurtured over the years a smouldering prejudice
against the "in" group, both domestically and internationally. He has been
"out" most all of his life, and he has aboun a strong attachment to the
causes of the downtrodden Onbens, the colonially oppressed Africans, the
organizationally subdued "young Turks" of orthodox commist and other leftist
movements, etc. There is no question that in his sympathy for such causes be
overstepped the bounds of reason and good sense, but it is doubtful that he
actually cœmitted any treasonable offense. One has the feeling that 5/1
really sought to hadge his bets on the revolutionaries by putting out feelers
to KUBARK.
20. There is a strong case for the argument that hard cash plays
a significant role in motivating 5/1 to cooperate with KUHARK at this point
in time. All reports emphasise that he was not just broke, but deeply in
debt, whom he began talking to London Station. Subsequently he has been
receiving what amounts to a salary at a rate somewhat in excess of average
for a European Journalish, let alons a professional small-time revolutionary.
Since he has had no valid cover story for snything other than the first
advance(s) from (SCOFERA, we cannot be sure that he has let his wife, his in-
leus, or his imediate circle of associates know the extent of his newly-
acquired afflimuse. He is quite capable of thinking big operationally and
has biustly stated that it takes money to "move" in Algiers and that "poverty
is no virtus in the 'Third World'
21. But 8/1 does not appear to be an out and out uerosmary.
There must be other factors than money alons that would lead him to coepar:
with KUBAIK. It could well be that he is resting philosophically to an
outlook on life that let him down despite years of devoted cultivation. In
the long debriefings he rarely, if ever, mentioned anyone who he felt had
really accomplished anything as a professional left-wing revolutionary. There
are indications that he regards his activities over recent years as someschat
wrewarding, though there is little indication that he didn't enjoy much of
what he did or that he doesn't consider the cause of the national liberation
movements a just and honorable cause. He may, simply, have reappraised the
results of some years of revolutionary activity with a somewhat Jaundiced
eye and decided it was time for a change.
22. Certainly 8/1 builds a convincing case about the reasons
for his break with WEH C, but it must also be noted that ideology is not
among then. If anything, it would see he was reacting to a breach of contract
and perhaps wounded pride. The not result seared to be a well of resentment
against one individual, which resentment fermented into spite and determination
to "get even." If this assumption is granted, then the letter he had published
in ZHEARTH and the manuscript he submitted to MEMESIS are both explainable and
explain such. It was his involvement with these publications that triggered
HIRARK's operational interest in him, and we initiated contact at a period
when he was, perhaps, basking in (what he probably considered) the success
of his attack on IDAH A.
23. Looked at from sth another angle, 8/1's future prospects in
Jummary of this year (both in his professional and his personal life) were
anything but bright fori he was jobless, in debt, to some extent cast off by
the revolutionary movement, apparently felt homeless (as far as having something
to which he could return in PEPADE), and (from what scraps of information we
can piece together) was not experiencing a mutually agreeable marital life.
(He asserts he was unfaithful and that his wife know it. We have learned from
KAYZZEMCH's talks with the WWDERS that she was unfaithful in her turn,
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though we have no confirmation of this from 8/1). In such a situation
KUNAKK was able to offer 3/1 an opportunity to, in effect, begin anos, get
out of a hole, rebuild his om self-esteem, and pertape oven build up some
credit toward en eventual return to PEPRIAX under conditions which he would
find bearable.
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24. It is interesting that in his long conversations with RODIGAST
he should raise the question of his motivation as if to reassure (DYOKE that he
uns "on the level." He protested that us must not think that he had taken on
this job just to "get out of a hole" for three months and explained that
he isn't really in a hole. He claimed that his debts to his brother-in-law
were not a pressing matter at all. (Emever, during his LCFINITER examination
we are told that the area in which he reacted most strongly was that concerning
personal chligations, especially financial. We were probing to find out if
he was indeed under some obligation, financial or otherwise, to certain of
his revolutionary associates of the past two and a half years, and what
ensued was an outpouring of all the wall and not so small debts he owed
virtually everyone he knew. Foremost among them was the debt of come
£ 1,500 to his brother-in-law. whether or not he feels pressed to repay is
not as important as the fact that there seem to be times when it weighs
hoagily on his mind.)
25. Giving 8/1 the last word, the following report from RODIJAST
his 14 June conversation with the Agant should be given careful considerations
"It was clear that he was telling me, without spelling it out in words, that he
had made up his mind to cooperate with us because, or partly because, he had
decided he wanted to be on our side. He even used expressions like 'our ride'.
I had the feeling that he did not want to sy outright that he was changing
his political orientation for fear that we would not believe him, but that in
fest he might very well be doing so; I think there was something gemmine
in his protestation that he wasn't with us 'only for the money'.'
HANDLING & GUIDANCE;
26. The least that can be said of 3/1 in sumarising his relationship
with his KUBANK contacts so far is that he is not docile and passive. He
appears to be a salf-starter with a sense of what is necessary to get an
oparution off the ground. From his account of his work for MEN ↑ it would
appear that he can honestly claim a great deal of credit for putting the
English edition into business.
27. To date 5/1 has expressed no reluctance to undertake his
current mission nor to consider other missions for KUBARK which might work
a hardship on him at place his person or reputation in Jeopardy. His
responsiveness, in fact, encourages us to believe that he will accept
assignments which permit him to move easily in those revolutionary left
circles which are natural to him and which comprise, in effect, his natural
target. He has, of course, made a case for working out of Paris, Home, or
Geneva rather than Algiers or Djakarta, but this was prior to his entering
into a formal relationship with CDYCER.
28. RODIJAST feels that he has been able to establish a good
of working rapport with 8/1 and perhaps even some degree of personal
port. They have had some halfídòzën meetings so far, including three
arking sesions in Paris. RODIGAST has stressed to him the vital importanos
of good security habits, not the least of which involves such personal
wvior as will keep him out of compromising situations (in respect to his
work for KIPARK).
29. 3/1 has been on time for all his meetings with RODIGAST
has complied well with instructions; he submitted without hesitation
the LCFLUTTER and agreed to work with s/w (accepting the risks involved
în disposal of the working materials). 5/1 has not failed to remind RODIJAST
of the probable cost of his upkeep and operational activities while in
Algiers and has been assured that RODIMAST "fought for the $20.00 per die
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right on up the line." Needless to say, SIXHOWY/1 seemed most happy to know
that RODICAST was concerned for his welfare.
30, RODIGAST feels that he can manage S/l's colf-assertion and
dynamism, and LCPIPIT points to RODIGAST's record of handling "difficult”
agents. RODIŅAST's experience is reassuring in this connection, and we have
no reservations about RODIGAST's ability to keep STEBORTY/1 motivated in the
months ahead.
3. A last word on the matter of handling: turn-over, So far
8/1 has dealt with KATZKEBACH, TIFFANY, and ROUIGAST and has been forthcoming
with all. There is no indication at this early stage that he has placed his
relationship with KURAHK on a person-to-person plans nor are we sure he
should be encouraged to do so. As representatives of ODYOKE the three
persons mentioned above have apparently earned 5/1's trust, and anyone
introduced to him by one of them would probably be accepted with the same
degree of confidence should the introduction of another case officer become
Kecessary. In effect, then, we foresee no handling problem with 8/1 as far
as a change in case officers might be concerned. He would point out,
though, that 3/1 has been handled sympathetically and without hostility to
date and that those who have dealt with him would strongly advise firm in-
telligent direction and against a provocative or heavy-handed approach te
such a complex and self-centered personality.
SECURITY:
22. 8/1's very background is enough to pose all the security
problems one would wait to contend with in any operation. At the same
time it is that very background that makes him valuable to KUBARK. Therefore
we can discount many logical apprehensions about his personal loyalty and
motivation (discussed previously) and proceed to questions of operational
security.
3. First of all, 8/1 has been denounosd as a EUBANK agsat since
the mid-1950's when, to the best of our knowledge, he man't actively
involved in revolutionary activities. He traces this original donunciation
to an incident in which he resorted to sous rather unscrupulous practices
(forgery and falss denunciation) to get an erstwhile friend and CPUSA member
(with whose wife he had become involved) discredited in France. (See
Attachment to CKLA 43,272). The upshot was that 5/1 was considered by many
who knew him in Paris to be a KURBANK agent who had informed on his commist
"friend" to the French police. From that time to the present the KUBANK tag
hes stuck in certain circles, though STEROWY/1 feels those who really know
him, and those important revolutionaries and commmmists whom he knows and
who are his potential targets as a KIBARK agent, have largely discounted the
possibility that this could be so. There is no denying the fact, housVer,
that this demmoiation is a handicap. It has been used fairly effectively
by his last employer, IEM A, to burn him in a number of places where he was
probably previously unknom. Certainly the publication of the denunciation
in IIEN C did not raise his stature in some quarters. LOHD 7620 indicates
8/1's enemies have little desire to let sleeping dogs lie.
34. Furthermore, IIEN A spews at this moment to hold as great
a grudge against 5/1 as 8/1 holds against him, and IBEN A may still have
better connections in the national liberation movement than 5/1. This is
especially so in view of the 19-20 June 1965 downfall of the Ben Bella
regine in Algeria. IDEN A was not a Ben Bella man, and his fortums declined
sharply in inverse proportion to the rise of Ben Bella's. DEN A's closest
link to Algaria's power elite has long been Rabah Bitat, according to S/1..
In the papers of 22 Jane ve read that, in a "startling development," formes
Vios-President Mohammed Ritat flew into Algiers from exile in France and
said he was ready to "samme his responsibilities." He presume that IEN
will seek to move quickly to derive personal advantage from this sudden change
in Algeria. As if operating in the Algerian security climate were not
hazardous enough, 8/1 may well have to contend with a vendetta sounted by
TIEN A.
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As noted
Sipil's family situation presents some cause for concern,
also.
since January with only CXOPPRA to give as a source, His wife, who is a
conscientious leftist, is presently sumpicious of his activities, he says,
largely because he received a phone call from PBSWING London in January. I
explained it was a FBPRDER Journalist passing through who wished to talk
with him, to which she was supposed to have retorted: "Why should someone
from PBPRIMS be interested in you, and, moreover, why should you be interested
in working for anything or anyone fris FBPRDE?" 5/1 told RODIGAST that the
backstopping effort initiated by LOND 8004 did not fully dispel her skepticism.
8/1's reaction to the FLUTTER examination on the question of "what his wife
thinks suggests that the matter is not laid to rest.
36. 3/1 seems to be most concerned that his wife not find out
is working for ODYOXE, let alone KUBANK, and we presuse he has reason to
feel she would probably say or do something, whether deliberate or not,
that would compromise him in his present situation. We do not know the
history of 5/1's marriage, but we have received indications from him that
lead us to believe he could not ommt on her discretion and loyalty in all
circumstances. His relationship with his wife, therefore, must be watched
with some care to insure that it does not comprise an undue hazard or that
she does not become vulnerable in some way to forces inimical to his effective-
ness in his work for ESPARK.
W. Aside from speculation about possible repercussions in this
area of their marital relationship, there remains the question of cover for
Som $3,160 passed 8/1 by KUBANK in the past six months. His wife has been
in the journalism business long enough to know that virtually unemployed
journalists are not usually given travel and salary advances serely for the
asking, especially when their press credentials are largely notional er
the nominal sponsor has yet to go intō publication. Timis, we have FORSON
to believe she has some rather nagging doubts as to the legitimacy of 8/1's
present sover Job. This is implicit in Faragraph 5 of the attachment of
OBLA 43,272.
38. On 15 June 8/1 told RODIJAST his wife told him on the phone
that a letter to him from MEN D warned him to be careful as things night
be 'hot' for his in Algeria.' TERN D had apparently heard of S/1's forthcoming
trip from contacts in New York and Paris, and 3/1 surmises this means moves'
of his summer's travels must be rather common knowledge by now.
3. At TIFFANY's requent 5/1 let_HEN BE know he was in Paris,
and 8/1 says that latter "case rushing around" to see his. S/l's report
on this contact was passed to the Paris Station 17 June by LCPIPIT. In the
report is $/1's assessment that HIGH E would probably be willing to talk
to RODIGAST's "service. We shall discuss this case further with Paris
Station, but in the meantime it should be noted for the record that as long
as 8/1 is said by umny to be a KUBARK agent, it would not be unreasonable
to assume that TIRN E might connect an approach by an ODYCKE representative
with his recent conversations with 5/1. Therefore, the possibility of a
flap here should not be ignored.
40. As far an 8/1's contacts with KUBANK, he knows no one
trus
ne and his case officer will contime to use an alias in all future
contacts. At the same time, there is the ever-present danger that he may
sone day come to know RODIAST's true name because of the mæber of
acquaintances they have in ocm in Paris. It was largely for this
that BQDIGAST will avoid holding future operational meetings with 5/1 in
Paris. RODIGAST has already reportedthe rather unsettling experience of
having 9/1 tell him "I think I've seen you someplace before." RODIŅAST
says this is quite possible. were 8/1 over to stay in Paris for a consider-
able length of time the chances are not remote that ACDIGAST's identity
would be compromised to 8/2.
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TWELIHATIH:
41. The question of termination is not academic at this tis
explicit in the letter of agreement which 5/1 signed is ais termination on
1 September 1965 unless specific conditions are met. It is doubtful that
KUBARK will indeed terminate 8/1 on that date unless such action is made
imperative for reasons of security or of gross malfeasance on his part.
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42. In the event of the termination of 8/1 we foresse at this
ime no great cause for concern about possible reperenssions against KIBARK
personel or installations. In addition to the use of aliases, RODIJAST's
meetings with him will be in third countries, and 3/1 has not been passed
classified information. He does keep in his possession materials for the
use of S/W System #64. He received training in the use of these materials
(and underwent his LCFLUTTER) & in the apartment of two LCPIPIT contrect
personnel. This apartment, an LCPIPIT safehouse, was used only once previously
for a clandestine seating, and it will not be used again for at least two
months.
43. Should it prove necessary to terminate 5/1 the greatest
denger which we can anticipate at this time grows out of his considerable
skill as a writer and the possibility that this skill might be used to
sttack KIBANK or QOYONE in some way, perhaps from the forums of the national
liberation Hoventat propaganda machinery which he has now foresaken. Hia
knowledge of our operations and personnel has been kept to a minimum. Bance
the danger of his pen speaking with great force or effectivezoss 18, we
believe, not great and a problem which, though we must anticipate it, us
believe to be remote.
KHAIK CHERATINAL EQUIREMENTS:
44. All concerned would agree that a KUBARK agent who is
unable to service KUBANI operational requirements would not be worth his
keep. At the same time, it would be presumptious to expect that in a situation
where the agunt is being handled at arm's length and under such disadvantages
in time and distance as in S/l's case, KUBARK's operational requirements
could be regularly and, if necessary, speedily measured against the agent's
capabilities and specific requirements levied on the agant.
45. So far in KBAEK's relationship with 5/1 we have outlined
a general target area for hin, levied the requirement that he prove to
KUBAAX he can effectively penetrate that target area and operate in place,
and levied subsidiary KUTIKE requirements for him to service as a by-product
of his basic operational task. What we have assigned, in effect, is a short
tern operational mission upon which longer tern operations might be based.
46. There is evidence in the reams of "testimony” KUBARK has
taken from 8/1 that he is a ma who likes to operate, act, produce. There is
also evidence that be, like any other man, consciously seeks approval and
recognition of his work. The question to be posed is: Ras KUBARBOX at this
tims, or will it have on 1 September 1965, an assignment for 5/1 in which ha
can find satisfaction in producing a marketable product and find that approval
and recognition which he requires? We must be more specific with him than
to say: "Go out to Djakarta and see what you can dig up. We'll meet you
gain in two months for discussions.” Rather, it would be well at this
tage to review with the various area divisions those geographio areas in
hich 5/1's talents could be fully exploited (Chile with PUSES?, Venezuela
as an FALN penetration?, Djakarta as an AAJA staffer?, Ghana as a BAA writer?,
Tanzania as a Government Rndio editor?, etc., etc.) and to have a definite
assigment for 3/1 in hand at the moment we negotiate the extension of his
contract.
*7. Certainly the sudéan change of leadership in Algeria can
expected to affect the national liberation movement and personalities in that
movement who haga dram succor from the Ben Bella regime. As noted in the
section on security, it is reasonable to assume that 8/1 will be in a less
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then fortuitous position if his efforts to reassert himself on the national
liberation movement stags are to meet with brickbats from HIRN ▲ from a front
row seat. ALGI 6171 and PART 1934 tend to support the estimate that_8/1's
friends in the Ministry of Information may now be gone, while DEX A's
Algarian friends may soon be in positions of power. While it is still too
early to assume that such a situation will arise, it is not too soon to
assess the possible damage this could do 8/1 in the gameal target area so
far aezigned him and to watch closely for signs that is my truly be burned
beyond operational usefulnses to KUBARK. We would hope this should not
case to pasű, but we cannot ignore the possibility.
48. In the event, then, that the next two month's activities
compromine 8/1's credentials in the national liberation movement, where whold
we go from there? One suggestion would be a TDY to ZIFESTAL where his brain
might be picked for operational leads and KUTURE, KUDZISK, and KURKILP
information. He could also be urged to write out and edit a mmber of
exposés en fraud, deception, and general double-dealing in the national
revolution movement and in certain commist circles. He might find & Job
with IEN B who may well need a new crutch if £/1's reports of his diminishing
influence are to be given ɑredenas. In short, steps ought to be taken now
to define the alternatives awaiting 8/1 as of 1 September 1965.
'' ཀིཾ ཙ ཝཱ སུནཱཧཏིསྶཾ ཏི ''>>°i&s!
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TO
INFO
FROM
SUBJECT
DISPATCH
Chief, KUDESK
SECRET/1
Chief, LCPIPIT; Chief, WE; Chief, AF
Chief of Station, London
KUDESK STEBONY
0 STEPONY-Pelated BATEN Ttepá
ACTION REQUIRED
REFERENCE(S)
DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NO.
OELA-43,458
HEADQUARTERS FILE NO.
DATE
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201-
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RE: "43-3" - (CHECK "X" ONE)
MARKED FOR INDEXING
NO INDEXING REQUIRED
INDEXING CAN BE JUDGED
BY QUALIFIED HQ. DESK ONLY
1. Attached are selected extracts from BAIRN reports. BAIRN
is a very sensitive SXOTH operation, and the items should be treated
accordingly.
2. Maro SCHLEIFFER (misspelled in BAIRN) is of interest. Pablo
is Pable FERNANDEZ, Cultural Attache at the Cuban Embassy in London.
Other items should be self-explanatory. On page 3 of the attachment,
"integration", where underlined, should read "segregation."
3. As with these items, London will try to bring to Head-
quarters (and other addressees³) attention STEBONY-related items that
we notice. On the other hand, we do not require to be info'ed on all
_ STEBOWY traffic in the future. We would like to see copies of all of
his intelligence reporting, whether for passage to the SMOOTHERS or not.
On that topic, we would like to recommend that a liberal policy be
followed in determining what of his stuff to pass to liaison here.
will be glad to review his reporting for passage, if there is doubt about
whether to pass it. We would also like to see any materials relating to
him that may have a bearing on London Station operations, relating
principally to the U.K., or relating to any of our liaison services here,
of course.
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TO:
Chief, KuDesk
FROM: Chief of Station, London.
Attachment to 01-43,458
25 June 1965
17.10 hours: Hark SCHWEIFFER (or SCHWEISSER ph) calls Pablo,
tells him he arrived in LONDON tro hours ago. (Note: he
speaks English with a U.S.A. accent) Pablo says he had been
talking about Mark last Saturday with Richard GIBSON, who Mark
had thought to be living in Switzerland. Pablo says Richard
has lived in LONDON for a year. Hark is now married, his wife
and two children are with hin. Pablo says that Roberto Yepe
and his wife Galina are also in LONDON at the Embassy. Mark
is in a hotel near the British Museum. Will come to the
Embassy at once. Farewells.
17.15 hours: Roberto Yepe calls Galina at home, tells her
Kark is in LONDON. Both overjoyed. They arrange to meet.
Yepe does not know yet what he is doing here or how long he
will be staying.
三
18.30 hours: Present: Pablo and Mark SCHLER (pres.)."
Voices very indistinct.
Pablo and Mark appear to be talking about mutual
acquaintances, who are mostly poets and authors.
Pablo goes
out.
Yepe comes in and greats the visitor; he says that his
wife Galina would like to see Mark this evening. Yepe explains
about his transfer from Glasgow to London; he then asks IK
when he is going to Nigeria (?Algeria). Mark appears to say
that he will not be going until February next year, afte he
has been to the States; after that he would like to settle
down in Africa, in Zanzibar, or in (Tanzania) he does not
know.
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Yepe asks where he can find Dennis PHOMBEAH: Mark says
that he is in the Tanzanian High Commission at 43 Hertford St.
and that Yeps can mention his name. Yepe goes out (pres. to
telephone Dennis) and does not return.
10.00 hours: Richard GIBSON (ph, speaks English with U.S.A.
accent) calls Pablo in some excitement to say that SCHMEIFFER
(ph) "is arriving today". Pablo says he already knows, had
seen him yesterday (see 31st May above) and had given hin
Richard's telephone number. Richard asks for Mark's address.
Pablo checks with Yepe, who was taken by Mark SCHWEFFER, to
the latter's hotel, but does not remember the name or address.
Richard remarks that he knows Mark's plan. He is on his way
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to Africa, is going to HIGIERS and wants to stay. Is going to
Tanzania if he can. Had planned to leave LONDON today, but is
staying over. Pablo replies, to see Richard and someone else.
Richard thinks this is Dennis FOISEY (ph) to shon Mark had
written from NEW YOEL Richard is ready to find accommodation
for Mark and family while they are in LONDON, as Mark has
little money. Richard is going out now until 16.00 hours when
he will return to PRI-rose 6775. Then he is due to go out
again to the Tunisian Embassy. Asks Pablo to tell Mark that
he (Richard) is going to Algeria, that he wants to see Mark,
that there are possibly things that they can do together, that
he or Kark.could take the job offered by Dennis (PO)BEY) in
DAR-ES-SALAAM. Pablo says Hark is staying here to see Richard
and presumably Dennis, then going to PARIS for five days, then
on to Algeria. Richard says Mark can call him at home between
12.30 and 13.30 hours or after 16.00 hours.
Richard gives Pablo greetings from PETITA (or BETITA,
(ph) who says she is sending Richard and Pablo a new magazine
called "Street" to be shared. She is working for the "Student
Non-Violent Co-ordinating Committee", Sue WRIGHT's (ph) group,
and has "given up her job at the Nation". Pablo will send her
some collaboration for the magazine. Farewells.
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Confirms
1 June (cont: 23.55 hours: Mark SCHLEIFTER (ph) calls Fablo (out). Then
"ásks 
for Yeşe. Tells Yepe that they (Mark and family) had
slept late and are checking 
out of the hotel now.
Is going
with Yepe that the latter's wife 
Galina is at home
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to telephone her. Yepe confirms 
Mark's having 
Galina's
number, then remarks that one of 
the two people Mark had
wanted to contact GIBSON - had 
rung the Embassy. Mark
reminds Yepe of their having booked 
up together the 
telephone
numbers of the Tanzanian Hission
. Mark has two numbers, one
GRO number and one FLA number (Note: 
the FLA number is
FLA 2327, hezrw number of Dennis PHOMBEAH
, Administrative
Attache. Mark had earlier said he had 
two people in 
LONDON
to contact, Richard GIBSON and 
Dennis.) He asks Yepe which
is the office number. Yepe checks 
then says it is GRO 8951
.
Farewells.
Mark notes the Mission's address.
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17.10 hours: Mark SCHLERFFER calls from the Embassy to Yepe's
flat, speaks to Yepe's wife, Galina, says he, "Varia and the
children" will spend the night with the Yepes. His wife and
children are at present in Pablo's flat (Note: Both flats are
in Park west).
17.30 hours: Mark SCHLORER called at Embassy by Richard
GIBSON, who suggests their sharing a flat in ALGIERS. Both
need to brush up their French before "the others pour in" to
ALGIERS. Kark agrees to go to Richard's that, 30 Stockleigh
Hall, Prince Albert Road, to discuss various points. Kark
mentions that his wife is an "Afro-American".
Richard says
that integration is much worse here than in the U.S.L.
2nd June
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11.00 hours: Yepe calls the C.F.T.E., speaks to telex room,
asks whether they can send a telex to Yepe's brother in´
Rumania. He explains that his (repe's) brother is Cuban
Ambassador to Rumania and is due to go to Cuba today or
tomorrow.
He wants first to establish whether his brother is
still in Rumenis. If he is, Roberto wants the following
message passed: "If you see Lec HUBERMAN in Cuba, please pass
this message to min - 'If you come to LONDON, Dennis PHOMBEAH
is anxious to see you'. (Signed) Roberto Yepe".
12.30 hours: Pablo calls Cuban Embassy (believed PARIS)
(Obtained by direct calling.) Speaks to Esther, then asks
for Paco, who mentions that Guillermo has to return to Cuba,
because his daughter has a cerebral hemorrhage. Pablo says
he and Kauja are also "going to return". Paco asks "But
they haven't called you?" Pablo replies "No". Gives no
further explanation, but will write to Paco. Mentions that
Mark SCHLEIFFER is coming to PARIS and will telephone Paco.
Guillermo, Paco remarks, has already caught his plane to
PRAGUE. Kiriam is alone. Guillermo had been in touch with
FRANQUI, and 20A had agreed to his going. This leaves the
Commercial Attache.
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Carlos Moore and
Sandy Bethune. (Afro-American Unity Group in Paris)
1. Forwarded herewith as Attachment is a Xerox copy of a
photostat of a transcript of a telephone conversation between Carlos
Moore (and his friend Sandy Bethune) and the late Malcolm X, which
took place 8 or 9 February 1963. SUGAR obtained this transcript
on 4 June from the editor of the West Indian Gazette, (fnu) Manchanda.
SUGAR believes that Manchanca got the photostat from the Ghana High
Commission office in London. He further believes that the Afro-
American unity group in Paris (among whom there is only one member
with U. 5. citizenship: the American Negro photographer, John Taylor)
probably supplied the transcript to the Ghana officials as a means of
building their credentials as a bona fide revolutionary organisation,
perhaps one entitled to receive financial support.
2. SUGAR gave the current (June 1965) address of Jamaican/Cuban
Carlos Moore as: c/o Pedro Filipe, 168 Rue Grenelle, Paris 7e, France.
SUGAR said that Filipe is a Cuban national.
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Talked to Cy Goodrich this morning about STERONY. He feels that he is on the.
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level with us,
that he is legitimately disenchanted with the far left, that he
sees himself as a loyal American, that YATZENBACH was incorrect in saying that
STEBONY would find it morally repugnant to act as a political action agent but
would willingly serve as an FI collection asset (which doesn't make a whole lot
of sense.) STESCHY was not in the least reluctant to take the LOFLUTTER, passed
it apparently clean. The cover is admittedly a bit linsey, but is supplemented
_by_a. connection with Tunisian L'iction for which he will do some layout-work and
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writing. Cy believes that he understands perhaps better than he did the need
for cover and attribution of income. Contract provides for $500 a month plus
$100 non-accountable ops expenses plus $10 a day while in Algiers, plus $20
a day while in travel status, 1 June through 31 August, renewable for a two
year priod if mutually desirable and satisfactory, with 30 day termination
clause. We have told XXX JAGUAR of our recruitment of STEPCNY - Cy does not
believe that they are in direct touch with him, but that they are in contact.
with friends of his, particularly one. PHARCHAINY? or some such name. I asked
Cy what STEBONY had been asked to do for us in Algiers, and he replied " to work
himself into a position of access to get information on factions and all
developments in the conferences which have not been publicized." I asked if te
had been given any requirements which dealt with strictly Algerian matters and
he said No, that Rodigast had been told that we would send further requirements
for the meeting tentatively scheduled with STEBCNY in Home or Tangier around.
18 June.
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I talked to Bob Wiley, who will draw to a list of requirements to send FODIGAST:
Cy Goodrich and I agreed that I would open-ops-files on STEBCAY, even though
we have no project yet, and he will give me the contents of his soft file to
include in it. Ee is also having the 20 file tidied up by RI and will have it
charged to AF/1
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1. Por the Information of COS, Brusselg: TESK and EU-OLP are jointly
engaged in the operational exploitation of the peculiar talents and contacts
of a newly-acquired asset. STERONY/1 (Idem B) STERNY/1 has had a rather
turbulent career as a leftist revolutionary agitator and propagandist over
the past several years during which time he came to know (and be knowm by}
a mmber of significant personalities in the pro-Chinese factions of several
European Communist Parties. Among these personalities is Iden A. STEBONY/1
has been denounced within these same circles as & KUBARK agent for some time,
though until January of this year FUBAHK was not in contact with him It
whs only early June of this year that re actually signed a letter of agree-
ment with an "ODYOOR Servino“. Currently STEBONY/1 is in Algeria seeking
to re-establish himself in revolutionary circles as a prelude to a long-
tera penetration operation (at KUBARX's behest) targeted against the revolu
tionary cadres of Africa. Asia and Latin America which are apparently being
given increasingly direct support by Peking.
2. One of STEBONY/1's bona fides in revolutionary circles is his
acquaintance with Iden A who has told him that. personally, he does not
· share the doubts spread about STEBCHY/1 because, as Iden A puts it.
STEBHY/1's primary accuser not caly charges he is a KUBAEX agent but also
an iden ▲ agent, which Iden A of course mew not to be the case Flowever,
STYDONY/1 is actually in the process of seeking to ingratiate himself vith
Iden à end of winning his confidence to such an extent that their personal
relationship might serve as STEBOWY/1's credentials for some time to come
At present the relationship shows signs of being off to a good start.
STESONY/1 visited Iden A in Brussels on June 1965 with the intention of
getting himself accredited as a correspondent of Idem A's newscaper, Iden C.
Idm A told his that in fact. Iden C was sending Iden to Algiers to cover
the summers activities there Iden À than added that Iden D would get in
tough with STUBœY/1 in Algiers (c/o Iden E) so that STEBCY/1 could “intro-
duce him around". SPERONY/1 considers this a fortuitous circumstance in trat
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he can explait lden 5 as a walking credential” in Algiers & Wique muy to
suggest to himself is one of Idem A's bars. It arould be notes
other hand that this situation provides Iden A a unique means of malter-
ing STERKEY/L's activities and contacts
3. Of Kriority interest at this coment, havover is the fact that Iden
A has expressed to 30271/1 bis dissatisfaction with the progress to date
in getting his book (Iden P; malised in “nglish iden claims that an
Australian is supposed to be working on a trosiation but that he has noard
nothing from him in over six montics SOBORY/1 then told lden i that no himself
could do the translation job with the aid of friends but that he would have
to spend some time with Iden à to work over fine points and to write togstrær
6 new charter updating the book In this way #31/1 feels he could cement
his personal relationship with iden a
4. There are obviously overational and station policy questions that
should be considered in this context. First of all. our sole resorter en
the ZTEROWY/1-Iden & relationship is STFSQN7/1 himself Is he really seeking
to set up a meaningful operational gambit to be exploited by KUBANK, or is to
seeking to regata status aming his former peers? e tend to believe the farme
on the baris of the results of STEBONY/1's LCFLUTTER expmination and sis long
emoversations with his deep cover case officer. Secondly, would the damage to
tæ 19PADE national interest innerest in the publication of Ides A's book in
English curtzeigh; the operational gain to be made by putting SPHEMY/1 in 16mm
A's ocnfidence. TABORY/1 argues that. on the contrary. the publication of
the book in English could surt no one axempt possibly iden a nimself, bocanno
STERNY/1 claims the book is a tiresome polemie against one sumil comunist
grema by snother mall crammist group. I has no intention of recomend»
ing that 153½ help get the beak in print in any case for that would be
iden A's out problem Føreover, if STERKRY/1 did not undertake too transia-
ting job, the Australias could probably com through before too long myway.
5. We are sure that shiroapees can see in this situation the seeds of
a useful operational contact with Iden A who, ateording to various reperta
STEROY/1 is receiving from other of his contacts in the pro-Chieam factions
of the European Communist Parties. is starting to lose his grip on his ma
organisation
6 In my event, mless advised to the contrary, we intend to encourage
STEBONT/1 to centiame develesing his relationship with lden A. especially an
regarės trunslation of the book. we are forwarding to Feadquarters (usej
a copy of the book and request that the aɔprocriate office in TEMA? be
approached imediately and asked to provide, on a vriority basis, an English-
Language translation which we can 1986 to #TERGHIY/1 He could then rework
this transistion somewhat and involve his wife in the editing of it 350-
centing the finished product to iden à as a family effort Of particular
importance from a critical point of view is that translations of quate
Liens from ano-francopone sources (Parx and ionis for example) should be
consistent with the 'official' Inglish-language version of the quotations
7 The time element involved is this: KUWOLP Career Agent înfun P
BODIJAST will be meeting ST5XWY/1 in Rome on or about 15 July. At that
time he mould have some firm word from KURU on the status of the trans-
lation effort In matter of fact of course. the ideal situation sould be
to have the translation in hand at that time though we camet gauge from
here whether that is viudida te reais of Jossibility in any case 6071GATT
moulá aŋve to have the translation definitely in hand the first week of
Augnet when he will be leaving Faris for his second ass meeting «ith #TD3GNY/
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mes raland in this dispatet but not fully answered
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1. Following is the full text of the JAGUAR letter, a part of
which was transmitted under ref:
"We have received the following two items of intelligence
about S/1s
1. Some time in May this year, 5/1 said that he would
be going to Tunisia on 15th June to work on the staff of the
paper "L'Action. "
2. After his quarrel with Jacques VERGES in 1964, $/1
received £200 as "personal financial assistance" from Jacques
GRIPPA, the leader of the pro-Chinese Communist faction in
Belgium. Hils ANDERSSON also gave him financial help.
Our sources were not able to say when the financial assistance
was given to S/1 but presumably that from GRIPPA was made
available some time between July and November last year.'
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2. S/1 reported to Station in May that he had had an offer of
a job on L'Action, but there was no intention of his accepting it. ‹
3. London has some doubts about whether S/1 in fact received this
much money from GRIPPA. We suspect that he has told people this to enhance
his stature as a "Chinese agent"; we still wonder, though, what funds he
may have been covering this way, since we had not contacted him as of the
time in question. Perhaps, as a result of ref, LCPIPIT may shed some
light on this point.
Kat
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Chief, KUDESK, Chief. IE (Attention: KⓇ/4}
Chief of Station. Paria/LEPIFI?
*UTEORIC/ūperational
GRÆREY/STYBCHY/1 Contact in Rome.
PRIORITY
1. GOLF Career Agent Rufus P. KCDIGAST is now the deep cover nace
officer for STABOWY/1 a newly-acquired potential penetration accet tar
geted on the pro-Chicas revolutionary movements of Africa Asia and
Latin America. On or about 15 July 1965 STEBCHY/1 will pressed free his
current base of operations (Algiers) to meat with #ODIGAST in Rose per
shile in Rema “TKBCNY/1 plans to stay with Iden 3 Hervover
·Iden B's apartment may be used as a meeting site for HODIJAST and
STAROWY/1 whoma 1den 3 is at work. In view of this we request Station
and feadquarters traces (XUDUK and ORENVY only) on Iden 9.
3. While in Rene EŒIDAST will more than likely require Station
support in the nature of plekuɔ and pouching facilities for documente
cach traveì advances for STERGIT/1 (unich are to be Ÿ/A'd to leadquarters.
charpe YQITX) and cable commo facilities should the need arise.
RODIGAST is known to Rase Station Officer Lowell P MISTON and partans
others in the Station. ROCIOAST is also knom to and knows the witting
personal in REGALE.
4. we would appreciate bearing from Rome Station at your earliest
convenience concerning your capability to render the type of support
noted above. RODIDAET Would pisa to make contact with the Station
through 73685BALE unicas the Station should desire an alternate con-
test plan
Harvey FARRING
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1. Attached is a copy of an iten oulled from a report of BAIRN (a
sensitive SMOTHop) reflecting contact between Hrs. Sarah GIBSON and
Pablo FERNANDEZ, the Oultural Officer at the Cuban Embassy. There is
nothing particularly new or startling here, and it is forwarded for
inclusion in the records.
2. Maruja is Pablo's wife; Sarah is, of course, the wife of Richard
GIBSON.
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16 June 1965
26th May, Cont.
16.40 hours: Mrs. Sarah GIBSON (ph), of the Press Department,
Tunisian Embassy, calls Cuban Embassy, explains to Marge that'
she wants Pablo to send, as previously discussed, some copies
of "Revolucion Pueblo y Cultura" and "Lunes de Revolucion",
either just on temporary loan, or if some copies can be spared,
for retention by the Tunisian Embassy. The Press Secretary in
the Tunisian Embassy is on the point of leaving to go back to
TUNIS (going on 25th May) and before doing so, he very much
wants to have a look at those papers. Marge promises to
arrange this matter with Pablo, for delivery of copies to the
Press Department, Tunisian Embassy, 29 Prince's Gate. Sarah
GIBSON asks for delivery today is possible, if not, the
following morning.
16.50 hours: Pablo calls Hrs GIBSON at III 4133 on Christian
name terms, asks how her husband, Dick, and the children are,
confirms that he will let her have some copies of "Quega" (ph)
given to him by a Cuban in LONDON, also "Pueblo y Cultura",
but has no copies of "Revolusion". Confirms he will come to
Sarah's house on Saturday afternoon (29th May) with Maruja and
the children if it is fine, but he will come anyhow, as be
wants to have a talk with Sarah. The GIBSON's home number is
PRI 8776. Sarah remarks that the Tunisian Press Secretary is
being sent back to Tunisia to take charge of a newspaper,
he has been most impressed by the Cuban layout in their publi-
cations. He needs the copies to give him ideas for his own
work, and Sarah wants the influence to be Cuban.
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1. Transmitted herewith are copies (one for KUDESK, one for LCPIFIT)
of the processed material resulting from the initial series of debriefings
of STEBONY/1. Again London Station is indebted to Roberta L. HORRELL for
her superb work in preparing this excellent study.
2. We have made most of this material available to JAGUAR. The
*sections headed "Interest of Foreign Communist and Leftist Groups in the
American Negro Problem," "The Robert Williams Case," "Black Kationalism,"
and "The American Negro" were not passed to JAGUAR.
3. No are retaining one copy of the entire study, which we are
Eaking available for review by CDETVY/London, who have expressed interest
in this material. We trust that ODEVY Headquarters will be appropriately
advised of the contents of these papers.
4. We see no reason for Lordon Station to retain this copy in the
files, and propose to destroy it unless Headquarters asks us to send it on to
some other addressee. Similarly, we plan to destroy our copy of the rougi
transcript of the debriefing (previously forwarded under OHLA 42,706, 9 March
1965) unless Headquarters would like us to send it on. In either case, let us
know of your wishes regarding these items by, say, 15 July. In the absence
of any instructions by that time, we will destroy them.
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AND PROCEEDED SAFE HOUSE WHERE R DEBRIEFED S AND TAUGHT HIM
S/2 SYSTEM 64..
2. IN 13 JUNE LCFLUTTERS ANSWERED NEGATIVE TO FOLLOWING
KEY QUESTIONS WITH NO INDICATION DECEPTION:
A. HAS ANYONE EVER APPROACHED YOU TO SERVE NON-PEPRIME IS?
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B. HAVE YOU EVER SERVED ANY NON-PEPRIME IS IN ANY CAPACITY?
C.
ARE YOU HOW A PAID AGENT OF ANY FOREIGN GOVERNMENT?
D.
DOES YOUR WIFE KNOW YOU HAVE A CONNECTION WITH AN ODYOKE
SERVICE?
E. HAVE YOU TOLD ANYONE ABOUT YOUR CONTACTS OR YOUR AGREEMENT
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HAVE YOU EVER ATTEMPTED TO BLACKMAIL ANYONE?
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HAVE YOU DELIBERATELY GIVEN US ANY FALSE OR FABRICATED
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PASSED S ONE S/W SYSTEM 64 CARBON, ADVANCED 733 DOLLARS CASH
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STA CONTACT REQUESTED BUT WOULD APPRECIATE INFO HIS ALGI
PCTIVITIES AS MAY BE ACQUIRED PASSIVELY BY STA STAFF PERSONNEL.
5. POUCHING COMPREHENSIVE WRAP-UP.
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"According to a secret and reliable source, STEBONY/1 has stated
that he is working for the Belgian newspaper 'La Voix du Peuple'.
He will be leaving London shortly for the Continent and will later
be going to Algiers. He has told his friends that his job with
*La Voix du Peuple' turned up in time to save him and his family from
'starvation'.
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1. In the course of an informal discussion on 8 June with the JAGUAR
officer most familiar with the history of STEBONY/1 (and our relationship
with him), the JAGUAR officer commented that he was frankly surprised at
the volume of sexual activity of the African Communists and far-leftists.
His first reference was to types such as Jeanne PYNOR, but he broadened
the comment to include Rosalynde AINSLIE and others, and of course there
were the recipients of these girls' affections as well Africans (usually
black) such as Kenyatta and Babu.
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2. The JAGUAR officer then added that S/1's wife was also known to
have shared her favors with other black men than S/1 - to such an extent,
at any rate, that her promiscuity had come to JAGUAR's notice. (I mentioned
that this must be some new news, since we had not heard of it before, but
he indicated that this was old news, and apparently not of the type to be
considered "derogatory.") The JAGUAR officer want on to say that S/1 hip-
Belf has put in a certain amount of time in the beds of other white girls,
and perhaps this is how he knows of the promiscuous propensities of some
of them.
3. While S/1 has not particularly affected prudery in our talks, neither
has be professed himself to be a great and universal lover.
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STEBONY/1 RECEIVED 200 POUNDS AS 'PERSONAL FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE'
FROM JACQUES GRIPPA. NILS ANDERSSON ALSO GAVE HIM FINANCIAL HELP”.
2. JAGUAR DO NOT KNOW WHEN GRIPPA FUNDS GIVEN TO S/1, BUT ASSUME
BETWEEN JULY AND NOVEMBER 1964.
3.
S/1.
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MICROFILMS
1. On 4 June STEBONY/1 provided the following information on the personal-
ity and living pattern of Jubject which we hope will be helpful to COVERDALE
in mounting an eventual recruitment approach.
GROUP 1
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0.
Subject is smarting with desire for revenge against those who have
out him off from all meaningful political activity and probably
from a source of income as well. (NOTE: Subject told 5/1 that
ourrontly an tolding his P with the equivalent of
$1,000 per month.) He is particularly angry was uns, we owes
him some money.
An intellectual, Subject has never been particularly effective in
the area of practical organisational politics. He is rather weak
in the sense that in a conflict situation he tends to pull back.
In other words he is not aggressive by nature. At the same time,
9/1 felt certain that Subject's indignation and desire for revenge
were deeply seated in his emotions and he would not be able to
rationalize away these feelings.
Subject is basically a friendly and courteous person.
Subject pe French and Spanish but no English. His wife,
described by 5/1 as anger personality than Subject, does speak
English. She teaches school.
Subject has mixed feelings towards ORIPPA, but uppermost is his
desire to rehabilitate himself with the Belgian "gauleiter." It
is thought that if someone telephoned Subject and made reference to
"Jacques" or "a message from a friend in Belgium" Subject would.
most. likely come out for a meeting.
Subject has irregular working hours at the CHRS and it would be easy
for him to leave the job for an hour or two without anyone becoming
suspicious. He works on research projects and more or less sets
his own hours.
Asked if he thought Subject would be in a position to provide much
information on the PCE Pro-Chitos dissident groups, 5/1 said that
he thought Subject was well-informed and, if willing, would be
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able to provide a great deal of information despite his having
been pushed aside from active and direct participation in recent
months.
2. Based on the foregoing, the best ploy for getting at Subject might
be a telephone call to his place of work with the oiler using a BUYER
pretext for meeting him alone and deferring all detailed questions to such
a meeting on the grounds of not wanting to discuss these over the telephone.
If this gets Subject out, then COVERDALE could apologise for the minor
deception while explaining that it was required by reason of his not wanting
to cause Subject embarassment or injury in the course of contacting hia.
Good hunting.
3. It may be possible for STEBCNY/1 to contact Subject during his visit
to Paris 11 - 17 June. If COVERDALE would like to get a more current
reading on Subject, please get in touch with Eufus F. KODIGAST, who will be
meeting 5/1 on 12 June.
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1. Transmitted as separate cover attachment are copies of correspondence
from the AAJA to STEBONY/1. Among these materials is an original copy of one
letter, which is forwarded for KURIOT's exemplar stockpile.
2.
These materials were passed to TIFFANY by S/1.
3. London Station is not retaining copies of this material, nor do we
anticipate passing any of it to JAGUAR.
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Asian-African Journalists' Association
(Persatuan Wartawan Asia-Afrika)
Djakarta
Dear Colleague,
armest greetings!
196
Djakarta,
April 3rd
As you are aware the Secretariat at its Second Meeting held
in Gadok, Bogor (Indonesia), from November. 30th to December 1st 1963,
decided, inter-alin, to name April 24th, the oening day of the first Asian-
African Journalists' Conference, "THE ASIAN-APRICAN JOURNALISTS' DAY".
You will readily agree that the naming of April 24th, as
Asian-African Journalists! Day, is of imence izportance to us Afro-Asian
journalists.
The Secretariat call on all its member organisations and
members to observe this Day by celebration and meetings; gross statements,
articles and write-ups ctc. in the various Afro-Asian newsprgers and mass
media generally.
This day will also mark the first anniversary of our
Association and we earnestly call on you, dear members and colleagues, to
mark this day as a historical event in the life of all Afro-Asian journal-
ists particularly, and the Afro-acion peoples generally.
We hope that you have by now received copies of the first
issue of "the Afro-Asian Journalist". 1 you have not, please contact us
and we will gladly let you have some (state how many).
We further call on you to continue sending us articles on
the press-as well as on the struggle either for independence, or for the
defence of your independence in your country-for publication in "the Fro-
Asian Journalists".
We look forward to receiving material, newspapers etc. from
Sas to inform all our member colleagues of your activities
could you write vs for send us clip, ings of your activities on "the
isian-African Jurnalists' Day”.
We look forward to hearing from you soon and wish you, in
the Bandung spirit, all success and the further solidarity of our
Association.
!/hif.-
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Djakarta. _ Harch 31st
1964-
1
Statement on Cambodia
In respons to an urgent appeal by the Cambodian
Journalists, to journalists throughout the world, the
AAJA calls on all its members to voice support for Cambodia's
policy 
of peace and neutrality and to denounce the U.S.
Imperialists, Thailand and South Viewnan, for their aggression
against peaceful 
Cambodia.
We urge all cur members to join their voices in demanding
that the 
U.S. 
Government and all its allies agree readily to the
proposal made by 
the Cambodian Head of State, Prince Norodom
Sihanouk 
for guaranteeing the neutrality and territorial integrity
of Cambodia; and to 
give valuable support to the just struggle
of the Khmer people for 
developing their economy independently.
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Secretariat
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cretariat: Press House - Diskarta
Telp. 61749
Registered.
No.: 110/KL/LK/14/2.
Richard Gibson,
Editor
"Revolution",
40 rue Francois ler,
PARIS-
Dear Collane,
Djakarta,
11th. Ley
5.4
19
Thank you ever so much for readdressing the letters
02 comrade Viriato Cruz to his in Algiers. We are eagerly
waiting for some res case from him.
Your sugestions of sending us 100 copies of the
English and further 100 copies of the French editions is
most welcome. No will cladly accept any subscription funds
here in Indonesia and hold such funds until it can either be
"transmitted or used it by you here in Indonesia.
ec
wife
Your remarks about dévoting some offorts to encourag
ing the progressive press for (fro-erican in the USA were not-
ed. He will be discus in the matter soon. ( There is no objec-
tion in principle- indeed there can't be may at all). What is
worrying us the prospects of gettin: information and articles
regularly from any Wro-unericans progressive presmen. Daybe
you have some suggestions and idens. Let us know, as we gently
feel the need to widen und strengthen unity, with our AfD-AC-
rican brothers in sac states. (To have dispatcher 50 copies of
the second issue of the W to you).
We are just having
you then as soon as they are
some material typed and would let'
done. He would like you to assist
(we can supply the articles) in copularising the convening of
the next Bandung Conference Heads of Afro-Asian States). Various
forces are already working against such a conference and we have
to forcefully put forward the suitability etc of a Second Bun-
duny Conference.
Fave you any suggestions etc.?
Our Donuty Secretary-General Jocson mo attended the
Sixth session of the Afro-sian Solidarity Council necting in
Algiers as an observer, had hoped to call on you in Paris, but
unfortunately he was delayed somewhere else and could not thus
meet you. However we hope that soon one of our colleagues will
have the leasure of renting you and colleague Verges and
discuss various common problems.
greetings.
In the meantine, dear collenfue, neepot our warmest
colzenfue.
ly yours,
Jeesoef
Deputy Secretary-Feneral7
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Press House
Telp. 61749
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(Persatuan Wartawan Asia-Afrika)
Djakarta
No :
962/Scan/63
Djakarta.
30th December,
REGERIN
het in.
Metropole,10/11,
Bear Colleague,
I
Greetings! The Asi
lean Journalists Association founded
in April,1963 by 45 countries and loan African Journalists Unions, took
various far reaching decisions and resolutions.
Inter-Alia, it has decided to publish a monthly news bulletin;
and to set up a incumba loadery, hich will serve as a centre of information
and reference.
The monthly majonine "africa Latin Mericu lcia Revolution, is
of rich a revolutionary cater and import that we would like to receive
two or three copies regularly monthly. In our turn we will and you copier
(state how many) of our bulletin, the first issue which will be ready for
dissemination aid Centery- next month.
Is there a possibility of you also sending us back number
issues of your magazine, as well as the special illustration-"Revolution"_
for our office, and for usage in the Lumumba Academy.
Yo are sending you, under seperate cover, some curents
relating to the decisions and resolutions passed by the histobic conference;
and hope that you will keep in clan contact with us, as re are aware that
we have much in common, in our struggle against the common exetny-imperialism,
colonieliem in all its forms and manifestations.
Visking you a prosperous New Year and further successes in
onary work,
Yours fro
UW M
Mamato
SECRETARY HERAL.
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Telp. 61749
ME/13
No.:
REGISTERED
Djakarta, March 13th 1964
Richard Gibson,
Editor-in-Chief,
REVCIUSION
Paris.
Dear Colleague,
We have received the various copies of REVOLUTION, which we
heartily thank you for.
Your letter was ver encouraging, and we have noted the contents.
We share your ideals, and are thoroughly convinced that our struggle
against the forces of reaction will still further advance, and
triumph.
We will bear in mind your request for articles etc., and will
do all in our efforts to help.
REVOLUTION plays an important part in our revolutionary
struggle against inperialism and colonialism in all its forms and
manifestations, and as such we would like to help in the further
distribution of REVOLUTION. We are ridely distributing it in Indo-
nesia, and hope to do the same in South East Asia as well. In addition,
because of the foreign exchange problem, we will rather give you
names of other interested persons outside Indonesia to thom you can
send sample copies. Or we could do that if you so desire. Please
let us know! A little note to the effect that we will distribute
and wherever possible in South East collect articles for you, in
REVOLUTION will be welcomed and facilitate matters.
We are printing initially 6.000 English copies of the 'the
Afro-Asian Journalist', and hope to have an extra 4.000 in French
ready soon.
We will dispatch 50 copies of 'the Afro-Asian Journalist to
you, under seperate muber immediately -(one we will send airmail).
If you would like more please do not hesitate to contact us.
Can you also send us some more French copies of REVOLUTION,
if possible, as well as some posters.
Dear Colleague, our struggle is gairing momentum and the
forces of reaction manifested in colonialism and imperialism in
all its forms and manifestations are on the retreat. Our very close
co-creration will further help in destroying colorialism and in-
perialism, which is the curse of all makind.
We look
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We look forward to hearing from you again. Greetings and
varmest wishes to your Director Comrade Verges and all the other
revolutionaries who are working together with you.
Fraternally yours
Aw
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Secretary-General
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1. Cover Situation.
S/1 wa
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Chief,
FRCH Chief of tation, London
Attachment to OELA-43,272
4 June 1965
was not successful in lining up any
cover arrangement in the U.S. Around 28 May he received word
from New York of a flat turn-down on his offer to serve as
correspondent for Monthly Review. Marochieiffer, who was
an-the-spot-get this job, and M's chief editor Leo Hubermann
plans to attend 2nd Bandung himself. Locally, however, S/1
was able to line up the following sponsors (though none is
in a position to pay much for his services they collectively
provide him with sufficient reason for being in Algiers; he
will let on that his travel costs were advanced him by his
wealthy brother-in-law);
a. Cinnamon, a sort of British Ebony scheduled to
bring out its first issue on 20 June.
b. West Indian Gazette, described in earlier corres-
pondence, will provide S/1 with a letter of accreditation.
C. Institute of Race Relations. This politically
neutral, academic outfit publishes a monthly newsletter.
Connected with Chatham House, the Institute's secretary,
Sheilla Paterson is a good friend of S/1. She has asked
him to do a paper back book for the Institute on Africa.
Again, though they could pay little for this effort it
constitutes a highly respectable piece of cover. .
During the last two months, S/1 has explained his income
to his wife as coming from advances, expense money and articles
for Encounter. This has not pleased her, as she dislikes
both the Congress for Cultural Freedom and Laskey, but has
at least satisfied her curiosity. To explain Katzenbach's
telephone calls to his home (K. identified himself to S/l's
wife xxx as "Mr. Wilson") S/1 had to improvise a purely
notional affiliation with an American feature story syndica-
tion service called "Metropolitan Features". This will help
explain some of his iname to his wife, but will not be used
with others.
2. The above skeletal dover will hopefully be reinforced in
Algiers where S/1 will scour around for bits and pieces of work
for his many contacts there. His visits to Grippa and Andersson
on his way to Algiers will also help to fill out his ostensible
sources of income, though S/1 has agreed not to overplay this
angle. In other words, he will not pretend that these two have
given him any funds, but if others want to make the assumption,
so much the better.
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3. On 1 and 2 June, Tiffany expounded at some length on the
importance of 5/1 trying to get an Opposition (Soviet, Cuban,
Algerian or Chicom) sponsor for any further cover, such as
the researching of a book or establishment of an Afro-Asian
news service for U.S. leftist periodicals and/or individuals.
While we could easily set him up in this enterprize, we not
want to for the simple reason that this would at best only
provide him with a superficial sort of access. What we want
him to strive for is Opposition sponsorship that will lead him
into one of the nerve centers of the national liberation
movement in Algiers or Djakarta. (S/1 ruled out Cairo on the
grounds that his wife is Jewish) S/1 accepted this reasoning
and agreed to go for a position that holds out the prospect of
long-range penetration in depth.
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4. Turnover to Rodigast. After getting S/1's unhesitating agreement
to an LCFLUTTER examination and his signature on a Secrecy Agreement
on 2 June, Tiffany introduced him to Rodigast, under the alias
"Paul Weller" on the morning of 3 June. It was explained that Rodigast
would serve as S/1 point of contact in the future. 5/1 and Rodigast
hit it off well from the outset, the latter's knowledge of Paris and
Tangiers-based American beatniks and other intellectuals serving him
has lid
well in the rapport-building process. Rodigast bolay on firm
meeting arrangements for Paris and has discussed arrangements for
meeting S/1 at least twice during the summer outside Algiers. Final
agreement on a mid July meeting will be made in Paris to conform to a normal
pattern by S/1 and
EXXX argangenents which S/1 succeeds in developing in Lausanne and
Paris. In the process of discussing comunications Rodigast is also
imparting instruction in goed security practices on the part of S/1.
Rodigast will instruct S/1 in the use of SW in Paris. Hopefully,
Rodigast will be able to spend a day or two with S/1 in Paris, even
though we want S/1 to get to Algiers as soon as possible.
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5. Financial Arrangements. After discussing all possible alternatives,
it was decided that the most secure arrangement would be to give S/1
an advance of the equivalent of $200 for his-travel London-Brussels-
Lausanne Paris and per diem and his an advance of the equivalent of
$600 for his June salary plus non-accountable expenses. These advances
were made and signed for on 3 June. One waxen important reason for
the large cash advance was the fact that s/1 ixzemmentèy was completely
broke, and he had to pake some funds available to his wife to meet
´expenses and pay off a 65 pound Sterling debt to his brother-in-law before
© leaving on his trip. (5/1 will explain the funds as the last of the
advances and payments for articles by Encounter and other publications.)
For essentially the same reason (poverty) we agreed to make 5/1's July.
and August salary payments in advance (to be paid into his Swiss bank
account on the first of each month). We recognize that this procedure is
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somewhat irregular, but we went ahead with it principally on the grounds
that this was necessary to head off the security and morale problems
posed by an irate wife.
6. In the course of his initial talk with S/1, Rodigast pursued the
matter of the allegations made at various times in the past to the
effect that S/1 is or was a "CIA agent" or "FBI agent". S/1 explained
the situation as follows:
a. S/1 was a schoolmate of William Gardner Smith, and
with Smith's encouragement came to Paris and worked with Smith on
the English desk of Agence France Presee. 5/1 took over the left bank
apartment of Ollie Harrington, American Negro cartoonist, and CPUSA
member. 5/1 had a falling-out with Harrington over the apartment (rent),
and in what he describes as a moment of weakness he sought revenge
by forging a letter with Harrington's signature which indicated support
for the FLN (Algeriah nationalists); at that time the French were
extremely sensitive to the subject, of course, and S/1's act was designed
to hurt Harrington, and perhaps his friends as well. S/1 was found out,
and questioned by the French police; his break with William Gardher
Smith and that crowd dates from this moment. S/1 had been forced to
write an apology to Harrington, confessing to the forgery.
b. S/1 believes that Jacques Vergès obtained the
letter of apology (to Harrington) from Smith or from Ellen Wright
(an American, white, widow of the Negro novelist Richard Wright; she
continues to reside in Paris as a literary agent handling books of
writers connected with Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir; S/1 says that
she is a friend of Harrington). As for Harrington, S/1 believes he
is now in Ghana or in East Germany; in East Germany he has American
friends: a Negro singer Aubrey Pankey and his white wife Kay; she
is an editor of the East German publishing house Seven Seas (which
prints books in English), and is close to Shirley Graham Dubois.
c. The CPUSA knew of the Harrington forgery and
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according to S/1 told the Cubans about it, since the CPUSA hoped to
discredit 5/1 and put their own people in teach with the Cubans. S/1.1
told the Cubans a tall tale which he hopes they believed (among those
he spoke to was Roa): he said that during the French drive against the
FLI¡ various people were writing letters in support of the Algerians and
signing prominent names to then, and that the Harrington forgery was
carried out in this spirit.
d. The hostility to 5/1 from Ainslee and Gowan
had as its origin their anger that Vergès had given S/1 a job that
should have gone to an Englishman (or woman); they felt that Africa
· was a problem of the British CP; and so they spread the story about S/1.
e. Rodigast recalled that William Gardner Smith had
once written a letter to the Paris Herald Tribune denying that a
⠀ pro-Castro letter which appeared several days earlier signed WG Smith
had been sent by him. At the time (perhaps 18 months ago) Smith told
Rodigast, who questioned him on the matter, "Oh, that's an old story."
Without indicating that he knew Smith, Rodigast raised the question
of Smith's Herald Tribune letter to S/1, who said he had never seen it
or heard of it before.
f. Rodigast gave 5/1 the recent clipping from Le Monde
which indicated that Patricia MacGowan's husband or lover Carlos Lansa
had been arrested by the Algerians in connection with the investigation
of the Delgado killing. Rodigast warned S/1 that we did not know whether
a charge would be made, or indeed whether Lansa had already been released
along with others arrested at the same time. Nevertheless S/1 thought
the clipping would be useful to show to those not terribly familiar
with the details, but who might be favorably influenced by a report
showing that the people who denounced S/1 as a "CIA agent" had also
sent Delgado to his death.
7. Questioned on his residence status vis a vis French and Swiss
authorities, S/1 said:
a. He feels he can come and go to Switzerland without
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problems. When Revolution was closed down by the Swiss, $/1 was called
in and notified that he had three months to leave the country because
of the undesirable nature of his activities; the Swiss told Nils
Anderssen informally that should S/1 change to a "desirable" activity
he would be allowed to stay. Following his departure on what S/1
considered very polite terms (1.e., the three-month notice period),
S/1 traveled regularly to Switzerland (once a month, on Revolution
business), although he tries to arrive by means which expose him to
minimal border checks (train rather than plane, and Trans Europe Express
best of all) and while in Switzerland lives with friends rather than
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in a hotel to avoid having to fill out police cards. (S/1 was notified
of his expulsion in September 1963 and left in December before the
"deadline. His most recent trips were in January-February 1965.)
·b. S/1 was never arrested by the French, merely
interrogated on the Harrington forgery charge. He has resided in
Paris since that time. During the early stages of S/1's suit against.
Verges for payment of back wages, Verges' attorney said in open court
that S/1 had been in France illegally (as he had no carte de sejour;
he could not obtain one since Vergès never agreed to a work contract
which would be required at the time of application for a carte de sejour).
(In connection with the Vergès suit: S/1's French lawyer Pierre
Schwarzenberg, has not pressed the charges; het is a Communist and
an old friend of Verges, and told S/1 he believed he could obtain a
settlement through persuasion. S/1 has already paid Schwarzenberg's
fee (the money was obtained from S/1's brother-in-law), and does not
know whether he can whip up Schwarzenberg's enthusiasm. Should S/1
win a judgement for the some $5000 owed to him, he could force Verges'
"bankruptcy (there is a printer in the same legal position who has
not insisted on payment because he is reluctant to bring on bankruptcy).
S/1 says that it is possible that if he engaged a first-class non-Communist
attorney in France (who would have to be paid in advance) he might achieve
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this goal, but it is not certain that he could get the original fee
back from Schwarzenberg.
8. For future contacts, Redigast gave S/1 "an alias I am using:
James Sunderland, c/o American Express, 11 rue Scribe, Paris 9, the
"c/o American Express" being optional. Rodigast will also look into
the possibility of emergency contact via want ads placed in Alger
Republicain or Le Peuple (the latter is preferred by 5/1), which Rodigast
believes will be purchased and read daily by LCPIPIT during the summer
anyway-- they arrive in Paris a day or two after publication. S/1
could advertise for a stenographer able to take perfect English shorthand,-
for example.
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1. Forwarded under separate cover true name pouch as Attachment 1
is the original Letter of Agreement signed by STEBONY/1 on 3 June. Attachment
2 forwarded with this dispatch is a santized version of this contract.
2. Attachment 3 forwarded under separate cover true name pouch is
a Secrecy Agreement signed by STEBONY/1 on 2 June.
3. Attachment 4 forwarded underseparate cover true name pouoh is
PRQ Part I, filled out by STEBONY/1 on 2 June. It should be noted that
due to limitation of time this was prepared in great haste.
4. Attachment 5 is the top half of the signature specimen assigning
a pseudonym to STEBONY/1. The bottom half of this document is forwarded
as Attachment 6 under separate cover true name pouch.
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SECRET
LETTER OF AGREEMENT
VELA-43, 1, 4 June 1965
Mr. Richard T. Gibson
Dear Mr. Gibsons
The United States Government, as represented by the Contracting
Officer, Hereby contracts with you for the purchase of certain information
and related services of a confidential nature under the following terms and
conditions:
1. Compensation. In full consideration for the purchase of
such information and services, you will be paid an amount calculated at the
rate of $500.00 per month. Payments will be made in a secure manner accepta-
ble to you.
No taxes will be withheld from this amount. Escrows A mutually
agreed portion will be withheld in an escrow account for you for reasons of
security as soon as this becomes a practical possibility.
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2. Travel. You will be advanced or reimbursed funds for
necessary expenses incurred in connection with such operational travel as
may be directed or authorized by the U. S. Government. You will be required
to account for such expenses in a manner consistent with good security.
Since security conditions generally preclude the detailed accounting of
miscellaneous travel expenses, per diem will be paid at the rate of $20 per
day during periods of authorized travel.
3. Operational Expenses. You will recieve $100.00 per month
for necessary operational expenses on a non-accountable basis. Any opera™
tional expenses incurred beyond the amount must be specifically authorized
by U. S. Governemnt.
4. The U. S. Government will compensate you in an amount
mutually agreed upon for the relocation of you and your family to a new
residence if such a relocation is considered desirable by you and the U. S.
Governement.
5. The Organization, in recognition of a clear moral obligation
will undertake to protect you against any adverse actions related to your
activities and associations entered into at the request of the U. S.
Governement during the term of this agreement.
6. Secrecy. You will be required to keep forever secret this
contract and all information which you may obtain by reason hereof (unless
released in writing by U. S. Government from such obligation), with full
knowledge that violation of such secrecy may subject you to criminal
prosecution under applicable laws and regulations.
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7. No promises or commitments pertaining to rights, privileges,
or benefits other than those expressly stipulated in writing in this agree-
ment or any amendment hereto shall be binding on the U. S. Government.
8. Term. This contract is effective as of 1 June 1965 and
shall continue thereafter for three months (to 1 September 1965). Extension
to two years (to 1 June 1967) will be contingent upon the granting of full
operational clearance and your performance during the summer 1965 assignment
in North Africa and access acquired during that period. Furthermore, it
is understood
a.
That on or before 1 September 1965 it will be possible
to renegotiate the terms of compensation of this
contract for the period following that date;
b. That after 1 September 1965 this contract (and its
extension) can be terminated by either party with 30
days notice.
Termination of this agreement will not release you from the
obligations of any security oath (Secrecy Agreement) you have signed.
United States Government
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TO: Chi, RYDESK
FROM:
ief of Station, London
Attachment No. 2 to OELA-43,237
4 June 1965
STEBONY/1
Dear Mr. STEBOHY/1
The United States Government; as represented by the Contracting
Officer, Hereby contracts with you for the purchase of certain information
and related services of a confidential nature under the following pms and
conditions:
1. Compensation. In full consideration for the purchase of
such information and services, you will be paid an amount calculated at the
rate of $500.00 per month. Payments will be made in a secure manner accepta-
ble to you.
No taxes will be withheld from this ancunt. Escrews A mutually
agreed portion will be withheld in an escrow account for you for reasons of
security as soon as this becomes a practical possibility.
2. Travel. You will be advanced or reimbursed funds for
recessary expenses incurred in connection with such operational travel as
may be directed or authorized by the U. S. Government. You will be required
to account for such expenses in a manner consistent with good security.
Since security conditions generally preclude the detailed accounting of
miscellaneous travel expenses, per diem will be paid at the rate of 320 per
day during periods of authorized travel.
3. Crerational Expenses. You will recieve $100.00 per month
for necessary operational expenses on a non-accountable basis. Any opera-
tional expenses incurred beyond the amount must be specifically authorized
- by U. S. Governemnt.
4. The U. S. Government will compensate you in an amount
mutually agreed upon for the relocation of you and your family to a new
residence if such a relocation is considered desirable by you and the U. S.
Governant.
5. The Organization, in recognition of a clear moral obligation
will undertake to protect you against any adverse actions related to your
activities and associations entered into at the request of the U. S.
Governant during the term of this agreement.
6. Secrecy.
You will be required to keep forever secret this
contract and all information which you may obtain by reason hereof (unless
released in writing by U. S. Government from such obligation), with full
knowledge that violation of such secrecy may subject you to criminal
prosecution under applicable laws and regulations.
7. No promises or commitments pertaining to rights, privileges,
or benefits other than those expressly stipulated in writing in this agree-
ment or any amendment hereto shall be binding on the C. S. Government.
8. Term. This contract is effective as of 1 June 1965 and
shall continue thereafter for three months (to 1 September 1965). Extension
to two years (to 1 June 1967) will be contingent upon the granting of full.
operational clearance and your performance during the summer 1965 assignment
in North Africa and access acquired during that period. Furthermore, it
is understood
a.
b.
That on or before 1 September 1955 it will be possible
to renegotiate the terms of compensation of this
contract for the period following that date;
That after 1 September 1965 this contract (and its
extension) can be terminated by either party with 30
days notice.
Termination of this agreement will not release you from the
obligations of any security oath (Secrecy Agreement) you have signed.
United States Government
ACCEPTED: 3 June 1965
/s/ STRECHY/1
By
Rob. Matthe
Robert C. Guatke
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SECRET
SECRECY AGREEMENT
1. I, RICHARD GIBSON
1,
understand that upon entering on duty
I am undertaking a position of trust in the Organization responsible for
intelligence relating to the security of our country. I understand that in
the course of this association I will acquire information about the Organization
and its activities and arout intelligence acquired or produced by the
Organization.
2. I have read and understand the provisions of the espionage laws of our
government and I am aware that unauthorized disclosure of classified informatio
relating to the national defense may subject me to prosecution for violation
of such laws, whether such disclosure be made while I am associated with the
Organization or at any time thereafter.
3. In addition, hower, as I am undertaking a position of trust, I have a
responsibility to the organization not to disclose any classified information
relating to the Organization without proper authorization. I undertake,
therefore, not to discuss with or disclose to any person not authorized to
hear it from information relating to the Organization, its activities, or to
intelligence material under the control of the Organization. I further
understand that this undertaking is a condition of mr association with the
Organization, that its violation may subject me to immediate dismissal for
cause or to other appropriate disciplinary action, and that this undertaking
ahall be equally binding upon me after my association with the Organization
as during it.
4. I understand that the burden is upon me to ascertain whether or not
information is classified and if so, who is authorized to receive it, and,
therefore, I will obtain the decision of authorized officials of the Organization
on these points prior to disclosing information relating to the Organization,
and failure to obtain such a decision will be grounds for my dismissal.
5. I understand that my unauthorized action or verbal or written utterance
which would reasonably be expected to result in publicity on intelligence
or intelligence activities would be in violation of government and Organization
regulations and would be grounds for my dismissal.
6. I understand that there are established procedures within the Organization
permitting appeal at all times of any legitimate criticism, grievance, or
complaint and that to carry any such grievance or complaint which I may have
outside the Organization will be considered a violation of the undertaking set
forth above in paragraph 3.
7. I further understand and agree that my association with the Organization
is conditioned upon my understanding of and strict compliance with the Organiza-
tion security requirements.
8. I will not undertake to publish or participate in the publication of any
information or material relating to the Organization, its activities, or
intelligence activities generally, either during or after the term of my
association with the Organization without specific prior approval by the
Organization.
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to such information and intelligence in my possession.
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Instruction: 1.
Write clearly.
2,
Answer all questions completely. If question does
not apply, write not applicable question
3. Attach blank pages if additional space is needed.
Full Name RICHARD THOMAS
First
2. Name in native script
Middle
NA
3.˚ Name at birth (if different from 1.)
NA
GIBSON
4, Aliases, nicknames, legal changes (State briefly time, reason and
place of use.)
NONE
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5. a. Date of birth 13 May 1931 b. Place of birth LOS ANGELES, COLLE.
6. Present citizenship, race if appropriate
.
Negro
7. Nationality at birth and any subsequent nationalities (if different
from 6.)
พระ
8. Present residence (Owner, tenant, sub-tenant.) 30, STACKUSIGH HALL,
•PRINCE: ALBERT ROAD, LONDON, N. Wif (temant)
9: Permanent.address (if different from 8.)
NA
10. Present occupation (full title, salary etc.) FREELANCE
JOURNALIST
11. Naturalization of subject or of close relatives in the United States:
(Give date and name in which certificate granted.)
•
NA
Relatives, friends, correspondents in United States. (Explain re-
lationship) MRS. SADIE THOMAS (grand maffer)
MR. CLARENCE GIBSON (father)
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*13. ˚Father - full name, occupation, present residence, year and place
of birth, nationality at birth and subsequent nationalities.
CLARENCE LOUIS GIBSON, CURRENT ADDRESS UNKNOWN
IN: PHILADELPHIA, PA. RETIRED MAILMAN. OS.
CITIZEN BORN IN U.S. BUT DATE AND PLACE
UNKNOWN
14. Mother
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same information as 13.
ALICE M. GIBSON (née THOMAS)
DECEASED 1936 or 37 (?)
15. Wife (or husband)
•
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full name, maiden name, date and place of birth, .
date and place of marriage, nationality at birth and any subsequent
nationalities, present residence, divorce, annulment. (Give data
for all previous marriages.)
Joy MARJORIE GIBSON (mée KAYE), BORN HENDON,
ENGLAND 12 July 1926, British, 30. STOCKLEIGH
HALL, 
PRINCE ALBGTOT RD., LONDON, N.W.S
Married 24 MARCH 1956 IN PARIS.
- 16. Children - full names, sex, year and place of birth, nationality
at birth and any subsequent nationalities, present residence.
Dominique Glisabeth Grsson, F. 29 Oct. 1956
in Paris, Nationality U.S.
Frederick William Gordon GIBSON, M. 5 March
1958 in Paris - U.S.
17. Brothers and sisters
None
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Same information as 16.
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25. Military service - dates, country, unit, rank, duty, where
:
services performed, decorations, when discharged, why. Give
details if ever prisnor of war
later
_ PROL
Entered U.S. Army in Trieste, Italy
in Trieste, Italy 
-Dec. 1952
Seet to Fort Dix, N.J. for basic turrning!
transferred 
Fort Benning, Ga., then to 39th Engineer
Gp (Coust), Gitlingon, 
Germany as Public Information.
NCO-discharged in 
Germany
Dec. 
1954.
"26. Present and past membership in organization (professional, social,
political, etc.) FPCC - see #2
member NAACO, Unban League and American
Society of African Culture
27. Special skills, abilities, hobbies (radio, photography, etc.) ·
can operate camera, taque recorden
28. Financial status
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earnings, bank deposits, securities, property
Owe ₤1500 to
Kaye)
my
.
brother in laws (Gordon
Various lesser debts in Paris resulting from
Kevolution fiasco
29. Employment history - type of work, salary, dates, employers, ad-
dresses, reasons for leaving. Include employment by any government.
cub reporter - Philadelphia Afro-American (newspaper)
Actua, 195995) - salary approx. $50 per week-lift for
Spring
literary 
fellowship at "Yaddo", Saratoga Springs, N.y
1951-1952 - Rome - worked freelance for
Italian films Export, film Rublicity outfit, and
. Edmund Stavens, then Rome
Selence Monitor
correspondent of
Christian
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18. Relatives in service of any government, names and positions held.
None
List all official identity papers held with dates, numbers, place of issue
and duration of validity.
PROL
Religion - degree practiced, membership in religious orders
EPISCOPAC
NOT PRACTICED
Present and past political affiliations
FOUNDING MEMBER, FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA
-1960-1962
22. Travel outside country of present residence
purpose, people and firms visited
country, dates,
(see attachment,
1951-52 ITALY John Hay Whitney Fellowship
1954 - 60. GERMANY US Army
COMMITTEE.
1954-58 FRANCE - BILL at Sorbonne, then editor Agence
France Presse 1960-61 Four or five visits to CUBA for Face.
23. Education
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school, Tocation, course, degree, dates
24. Languages and dialects (Indicate proficiency as good, fair, poor.)
Language French Speak Good Read
good Understand_
peach.
Language Italian Speak pook Read fatia Understand Pain
• Spanish Speak pase Read fair Understand fair
Language
German
Poor
fair
fain
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PRO/
29. (Continued)
Also assisted late Italian writer and film producer, Curzico
MALAPARTE
, on Italo-American film project.
were all 
small and based on precework, Drafted in US.
Salaries
19 
time in Dec. 1954
58 English editor at Agence France-Presse in
Paris. -was discharged when " Ollie" HARRINGTON
brought fongery charges against are Selamy 900 frs..
1959-61 CBS 
News, New York - newswriter
approx. $200 per week
. Discharged because,
involvement in Fair Play 
for Cher, but was given
of
CBS Fellowship at Columbia, Grad
. School (mainly
African studies) for 60-6
30. Has subject done any writing? Give details including titles of
-
Salary
books, articles, publishers, dates. A MIRROR FOR MAGISTRATES
(novel), London, 1958. Wumerous articles in many
perioduals, such as KENYON 
REVIEW, GIORNALE DITALIA,
PERSPECTIVES U.S.A., MONTHLY REVIEW
, THE NATION,
REVOLUTION, 
BOHGANA (Havana) REVOLUCION (Havana), etc.
31. List persons living at same address, close associates, (individuals or
groups,) correspondents at home and abroad.
Wife and children live with are..
Stake
32. List five character references.
Correspondents at Heine and
gbread for numerous to list,
here but have been reported earlier.
NA
1
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.33. Court record - court, date, arrests, charges, punishments,
sentences, acquittals, denazification, etc.
None
34. Description (Use American standards of measurement, if possible.)
Age 34
Posture
Te troped
Height 5ft 10in
Apparent age 36 or 37
Weight 165 lbs.
Teeth
Hair
gep in front
Dakay black
Eyes black
Face shape oval
Complexion light
Sex M
•General appearance_
Prominent features
Scars
Build mediums
-fainly weat, reasonably well dressed
Other identifying features weak
-glasses
*35. Other miscellaneous biographical data and comments.
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22. Travel (cont.).
1962 - ENGLAND, FRANCE,
-Departure from FRCC, no
MOROCCO, ALGERIA
fixed objective
abroad, Employed by Jacques VERGES
and Révolution Africaine in Algiers, Nov. 1962
64 SWITZERLAND, FRANCE, BELGIUM
HOLLAND, ENGLAND
1963
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rendence or trips
involved with business of edifiing
Revolution
1964 - ENGLAND - stay with wife's
neeking
1965
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employment
family,
JAN. + FED. ITALY, SWITZERLAND,
FRANCE, BELGIUM -trip financed by
Encounter to research article
29. EMPLOYMENT (cont.)
van
1961-62 Acting Executive Secretary, Fair
Play for Cuba Committer - salary
from
#150 to nothing per work. Left because
-to continue au
of unwillingness.
compleasant
1962-64 - Editor Révolution Africaine and
later Editor of its English edition - salary.
1000 (new) French frs: at first and later.
1500 frs. per month- rupture based on
financial collapse of publication and
various disagreements with Verips, its
publisher.
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FRON:
KUDESK
Chief of Station, London
Attachment NY. 5 to OELA-43,237
4 June 1965
Signature Specimen
London 2 June 1965.
In the future I will use the following pseudonym and signature.
TOs
FROM:
Chief, KUDESK
Chief of Station, London
Attachment No. 6 (USC) to
JOELA-43,237, 4 June 1965
་
Frederick T. Dominic
Frederick T. Dominic
Richard Gibson
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Re: Richard Thomas Gibson
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JAGUAR had made the following available to us, in response to our
request for information on a continuing basis relating to STEBONY/1:
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"In mid-May STEBONY/1 was still trying to arrange a visit to
Algiers this summer - on the strength of help he has received
from 'some comrades'.
"Robert WILLIAMS in Havana has given STEBONY/1 the impression
that he may visit Algiers as a member of a Cuban delegation.
Also, STEBONY/1 understands that William WCHTHY, who has been in
Hanoi, will be going to Algiers. STEBONY/1 expects to meet a
number of his friends there and his main reason for wishing to
make this trip is to discuss his problems, past and present,
with these friends and other interested parties. He hopes to
clear up doubts and uncertainties and, in this context, he has
commented that one of the reasons for much of the hostility shown
to him has been the reluctance of others to involve themselves
in the differences which arose between himself and Jacques VERGES
because the latter was clearly more influential and more important
than STEBONY/1.
"STEBONY/1 had heard that VERGES was still insisting that
STEBONY/1 was a KUBARK agent and that Nils ANDERSON and Jacques
GRIPPA were 'ODYCKE double agents'. GRIPPA, who is leader of the
pro-Chinese Communist group in Belgium, is planning to bring up-
to-date his book 'Marxism-Leninism or Revisionism', published two
years ago, by adding a new chapter. STEBONY/1 is looking into the
possibility of its publication in the UK or PBPRIME and, in this
context, he considers 'Monthly Review' to be the only possible
medium although Leo HUBERMAN, one of the publication's editors,
is not enthusiastic about the idea."
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KATZEN
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ON 2 JUNE 5/1 FILLED OUT PRO PART ONE, SIGNED SECRECY AGREEMENT
AND PSEUDO CARD, AGREED SIGN TWO YEAR CONTRACT 3 JUNE ON FOLLOWING
TERMS:
A.
COMPENSATION: FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS SALARY PLUS ONE
HUNDRED NON ACCOUNTABLE EXPENSE ALLOWANCE PER MONTH.
B. TRAVEL COST PLUS AUTHORIZED MISCELLANEOUS OPS EXPENSES.
C. TERMINATION: TERM FIXED 1 JUNE THROUGH 31 AUGUST AT
END OF WHICH IT POSSIBLE RENEGOTIATE SALARY IN LINE WITH S/1
ALGI PERFORMANCE AND DEGREE ACCESS HE HAS ACHIEVED FOR LONG TERM
PENETRATION ASIAN AFRICAN REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT. ALSO ON 1
SEPT THIRTY DAY CANCELLATION CLAUSE BECOMES OPERATIVE.
D. KUBARK AGREES PAY COST RESETTLEMENT S/1 FAMILY AT END
ALGI SUMMER TOUR IF THIS REQUIRED BY S/1 JOB LOCATION.
☐ E. QUESTION OF HOLDING PART 5/1 COMPENSATION IN ESCROW
TO BE DECIDED 3 JUNE. DUE OBLIGATION FAMILY MAINTENANCE, HOWEVER,
if
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OTHERWISE AND PRESENT CONTRACT FOR S/1 SIGNATURE 1000 HOURS 3
JUNE.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER WILL INTRODUCE RODIGAST. S/1 PASSED
EQUIV 100 DOLLARS SIGNING BONUS.
3.
TENTATIVE ITINERARY FOR S/1 IS DEPART LOND 8 JUNE SPEND
ONE DAY TO VISIT GRIPPA AND OR RAINDORF BRUS; TO LAUSANNE BY
RAIL 9 JUNE; TO PARI BY RAIL LATE 11 JUNE; TO TANGIER BY AIR
16 JUNE AND ON TO ALGI BY RAIL 17 OR 18 JUNE.
4. WE BELIEVE S/1 HAS ADEQUATE COVER FOR ALGI SUMMER,
DETAILS BY POUCH.
5. ON BASIS TALKS WITH MARC SCHLEIFFER 1 JUNE S/1 SUGGESTED
THAT HE TAKE TAPE RECORDER (OSTENSIBLY SUPPLIED BY BROTHER IN LAW)
TO ALGI TO USE TOGETHER WITH S FOR RECORDING INTERVIEWS FOR
PACIFICA FOUNDATION NEW JERSEY RADIO STATION WBAI. TIFFANY GAVE
TENTATIVE TURNDOWN THIS IDEA, SINCE IT HIGHLY IMPLAUSIBLE
REPORTER IN S/1 POSITION WOULD SPEND TIME MAKING TAPES FOR
POSSIBLE (NOT CERTAIN) NOMINAL PAYTS BY WBAI. HOWEVER, THIS
GIMMICK MIGHT BE USEFUL TO GET S/1 ACCESS FOR PRIVATE TALKS WITH
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FORWARDING PRQ ONE AND SECRECY AGREEMENT. WITH THIS AND
S/1 AGREEMENT LCFLUTTER TRUST HQS CAN EXPEDITE APPROPRIATE
SECURITY CLEARANCE S/1.
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TO FLUTTER STEBONY/1. HOWEVER, OUR GENERAL POLICY IS NOT
TO FLUTTER HERE ANYONE WHO LIKELY REACT AND RAISE FUSS
CAUSING SERIOUS POLITICAL EMBARRASSMENT FOR US OR HMG.
BECAUSE OF POINTS IN HIS HISTORY AND PERSONALITY, WE HAVE
REASON TO DOUBT STEBONY/1 WILL COTTON TO FLUTTER, AND PREFER
DEFER DECISION UNTIL TIFFANY BRIEFED AND HAS TALKED TO
·STEBONY/1. MAY THEN DECIDE, IF FLUTTER IN ORDER, CONDUCT IN
EUROPE WHILE HE EN ROUTE ALGIERS.
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STEBONY
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References: A. PALP 3904 (IN 75497)
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1. Forwarded herewith as Enclosure are the tapes of KATZENBACH's
interviews of STEBONY/1 requested in Reference A.
Hopefully, this
package will reach London in time for background use by Rodigast.
2. After Rodigast is finished with the tapes, please save one
reel or send it back to Headquarters for retention, and destroy
the other three.
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Ee note London Station's comment that the only copy of the "Revolution*
mailing list, as provided by STEBONY, has been sent to Headquarters.
not clear whether the STEBONY list was for the English-language edition of
"Revolution" only, or for all subscribers. If possible, we should appreciate
Headquarters' forwarding a list of "Revolution" subscribers and addresses in
France.
Distribution:
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London Station was able to make only a single copy of the list,
and, due to its bulk and the length of time required to copy it, we
have not retained a copy. We doubt that the entire list, which runs to
several thousand names (mostly in the U.S.) would be useful to Paris
Station, but Headquarters may be able to supply an extract of names to
suit your nood or the whole thing. if you wish.
George H. KATZENBACH
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JAGUAR HAVE INFORMALLY ADVISED US OF NEW PEPORT THAT "R LIMORS
HAVE RECENTLY PEVIVED SAYING THAT STERONY/1 IS CONNECTED WITH A
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY." STA PEQUEST FOR ELABOPATION,
INDICATION OF AREA IN WHICH RUMOR CIRCULATING, ETC., MET WITH
COMMENT THAT JAGUAR UNABLE TO SAY ANY MORE AT PRESENT, AND
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1. During a recent meeting, STEBONY/1 called my attention to the
book Political Africa, by honald SEGAL, published London 1961 by Stevens
and Sons, Ltd. STEBONY/1 used the book to look up a brief bio squib on,
as it happened, Patrick Duncan. He commented that the book, although out
of date and far from objective (one of the collaborators was Rosalynde
AINSLIE), was extremely useful to him.
2. I subsequently got a copy of the book, and find it useful. None-
theless, it is far out of date. It would appear that there is a great need
for an up-dated version, more comprehensive and more objective. STEBONY/1
might be the ideal person to work up such a book (he could even put some of
his wife'r talents to work, in such a project), and, in turn, such a
project could augment nicely his cover for, say, a year.
3. For Headquarters consideration then, the following suggestions
Contact Pranger (who published Political Africa in the U.S.) or another
appropriate firm, and lay on a commission to compile such a compendium of
facts, figures and faces on the African scene. Have them in turn commission
STEBONY/1 to do the job, and provide his with enough of an advance to help
cover his needs for a period of a year, say, starting after STEBONY/1's
summer in Algiers. (Alternatively, of course, STEBONY/1 could be instructed
to come to Praeger with such a proposal, which we could encourage Praeger
to accept.) This could run concurrently with STEBONY/1's news-letter, if it
materializes, and without any apparent conflict. It could also afford him
additional cover for travel and interviews, as well as funds. And a useful
reference tool could result.
4. This is just a suggestion, but we'd like to know what you think of it.
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3 – ▲ list of STEBONY/1's movements from 14 September 1962
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TO:
Chief, WE
FROM: Chief of Station, London
Attachment No. 1 to OFLA-43,000
27 April 1965
Richard Thomas GIBSON
Born: Los Angeles on 13.5.31
Address: 30 Stockleigh Hall,
Prince Albert Road, London, M.W.8.
2.
As requested, I am now enclosing for your perusal a
photocopy 
of GIBSCN's 
passport, mumber B.131994.
grateful if you 
would return this to me at your earliest convenience.
I should be
3. I am also enclosing for your easy reference a list of
GIBSON's movements between 
14th September 1962 and 7th October 1964
which has been compiled from his 
passport.
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Apart from a visit to Paris for three weeks earlier this
year, 
GIBSON and his 
wife, Joy Harjorie, have continued to live with
their two children at the London address 
shown above.
return from Paris 
on 14th February 1965, GIBSON was landed for
Cn his
three months as a visitor.
be still apparently unemployed.
In April he was reliably reported to
5.
The above information, together with a copy of the list
of GIBSON's 
movements, is 
being sent to oDEAVY / LOND
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27 April 1965
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3 Langland Hunaions,
Finchley Foal, 1.7.3.
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DURING PERIOD MID JUNE TO MID AUGUST OFFERS BEST TESTING GROUND FOR
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ADDRESS AND TELEPHONE PARI FOR S71 CONTACT R IN FUTURE.
3. UPON RECEIPT POSITIVE RESPONSE FROM R, REQUEST K MEET 5/1
AND EXPLAIN FOLLOWING:
A. ODYOKE INTERESTED AND GRATEFUL HIS COOPERATION AND
HOPEFUL RELATIONSHIP CAN MATURE.
B. AS EARNEST OUR CONTINUED INTEREST WE EXTENDING ONE
HUNDRED DOLLAR WEEKLY RETAINER ADDITIONAL FOUR WEEKS. IN
ANTICIPATION OF POSSIBLE CONTINUED RELATIONSHIP, HOWEVER, WE
CÀNNOT KEY SUCH PAYT TO SPECIFIC NEEDS SUCH AS KIDS TUITION.
THIS PAYT CAN BE MADE IN LUMP SUM ADVANCE.
C. PRETEND K WILL BE ABSENT LOND UNTIL LATE MAY.
D. PRESENT THINKING IS THAT MID JUNE TO MID AUGUST PERIOD
ALGI, WITH AFRO ASIAN CHIEF OF STATE MEETING AND WORLD YOUTH
FESTIVAL PLUS PERHAPS ALSO AFRO ASIAN WOMENS AND JOURNALISTS
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AGREEMENTS WITH ONE OR MORE FAR LEFT PUBLICATIONS FOR ACCRED
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4. BELIEVE NOW USEFUL BRIEF JAGUAR SMOTH OUR INTENTION DEVELOPING
OPS RELATIONSHIP S/1. WE SHALL FORWARD SUMMARY ALL S/1 DEBRIEFING
SHORTLY MOST OF WHICH CAN BE PASSED. IN VIEW POSSIBILITY S/1 WORKING
WAY INTO SENSITIVE POSITION, PERHAPS IN DENIED OR SEMI DENIED AREA,
TRUST JAGUAR/SMOTH WILL TREAT CASE AS SENSITIVE FROM OUTSET. REQUEST
JAGUAR COOPERATION TO SHED LIGHT ON S/1 WIFE AS POTENTIAL SECURITY
PROBLEM AND PROVIDE LIMITED SURVEILLANCE 5/1 CONTACTS OVER NEXT
MONTH. COULD THEY SECURE PHONE TAP ON S/1? TRUST IT WILL BE POSSIBLE
ENLIST JAGUAR/SMOTH COOPERATION WITHOUT NECESSITY ACKNOWLEDGING
EITHER TIFFANY OR RODIGAST (LATTER NON OFFICIAL COVER) TO THEM. PLEASE
ADVISE IF THIS ASSUMPTION INCORRECT.
5. RE PARA 1 REF PROPOSAL, SUGGEST K DISCUSS WITH SMOTH AS FUTURE
POSSIBILITY. HOWEVER BELIEVE SECOND S/1 TRIP SUISSE AT THIS TIME WOULD
LOOK SUSPICIOUS NOT LEAST TO NILS ANDERSON AND S/1 WIFE. MEANWHILE,
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BUT SHOULD NOT START ANYTHING YET AS EVERYONE KNOWS THAT EVEN MODEST
SHOULD
EFFORT THIS TYPE IN PUBLISHING FIELD REQUIRES START CAPITAL OF WHICH
S/1 CANNOT CURRENTLY EXPLAIN SOURCE.
7. RE PARA 3 REF, S/1 MIGHT WRITE A FEW LETTERS RECOMMENDING
WILLIAMS BOOK TO PROSPECTIVE WESTERN PUBLISHERS.
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14 April 1965
1. Areas of Knowledgeability. A reading of the transcription of
Gibson's taped debriefing clearly underlines KATZENBACH's assessment
that Gibson possesses an encyclopedic knowledge of personalities and
groups ranging from Zanzibar to the U.S. It is not always clear from
the debriefing to what extent Gibson enjoys either a first-hand know-
ledge or even a friendly relationship with specific individuals or
groups. What is clear is that Gibson moves in a milieu on which we
presently have very little coverage; that he is already a member of
this loosely defined society and thus can be presumed capable of de-
veloping new contacts or strengthening old ones by means of present
and past associations.
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It is difficult to categorize or devine what this milieu is.
It is not the world of commist parties although it contains a pre-
ponderance of communists; and it does not seem to be a society which
necessarily revolves about the Chinese. The primary common denomina-
tor covering most of the personalities involved in Gibson's reporting
is some association with the revolutionary movement in Africa -- parti-
cularly Algeria. A secondary means of characterizing these contacts is
a correlation with the radical French and Belgian left which lies out-
side such organized party structures as the PSU, PCF, BCP. (His main
access to Chinese communists runs through Jacques GRIPPA in Belgium and
Nils AFTERSSON in Switzerland with whom he claims to be on good terms at
the present time.) Another common thread, almost as general, is asso-
ciation with Trotskyism, although the meaning or clarification of this
political description is never spelled out. In general, Gibson displays
a good and often personal knowledge of target areas which might be
grouped as follows:
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African exile revolutionary circles in France, Algeria
and London, including the PAC, ANC, MPLA, MPA, and other less
organized pockets.
b. European leftist sympathizers of the liberation movement
in Africa.
c. Algerians or Algerian contacts in Europe who were asso-
ciated with the war for independence.
d. Algerian personalities currently active or occupying
official positions in Algiers.
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The exile American Negro community.
f. Minor political writers and polemicists in exile
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2. Access and Limitations on Access. There apparently has been
circulated a charge that Gibson is a CIA agent. (This is reflected in
his 201 as dating from his days with the FPCC.) In dealing with this
question, however, KATZENBACH cites Gibson's own belief that he is still
able to operate in the circles which would be of interest to us.
It is,
of course, difficult to tell from his debriefing the extent and serious-
ness of this charge against Gibson, insofar as it affects his bona fides.
It does seem that in Gibson's milieu, gossip, personal attacks, muddled
loyalties and an aura of conspiratorial confusion are everyday facts of
life and that personal contact and effectiveness in building rapport
would far outweigh such critical personal charges which, indeed, pro-
bably circulate about most people. At the present time, for reasons not
entirely clear, Gibson feels that he would be unwelcome and restricted
were he to visit Ghana, and, in fact, would not like to make such a
trip. He has indicated, on the other hand, that he has friends in Al-
geria and believes he could probably get some kind of job there or at
least find a receptive and generally friendly reception. He also appears
to have some contact and standing with the Indonesian government, since
he claims their London Embassy offered him employment. It is not known
to what extent he might be able to parley such a contact into employment
in Djakarta or some form of official association in Europe, although
these questions could be explored further. The termination of his asso-
ciation with Revolution and Verges would not, according to his account of
it, discredit him in the eyes of those who might have been partisans of
the ideological line which this magazine purveyed. According to his
account, Verges is not in good standing with the pro-Chinese like Grippa
or even the Chinese, and that his (Gibson's) quarrel with Verges over
unpaid salary is well known. While this may not be unbiased, it is
apparently true that he has lodged a clain for payment against Verges,
and thus is not in the position of having been expelled from Revolution
for ideological deviation. As Gibson zecounts it, it is Verges, not be,
who is discredited.
3. Motivation and Readiness to Cooperate. The debriefing reflects
between the lines what KATZENBACH judges in his covering dispatch to be
a readiness to collect information for us knowing that we are an official
agency and probably suspecting that we are KUBARK. His professed moti-
vation is monetary, and frankly so, although a certain degree of fatigue
with his past profession of ideological punditry is discernable. There
are also a number of indications that Gibson would like to rehabilitate
himself lest he be forced to make his living for an indefinite period of
time in an environment that he finds both unpleasant and materially un-
rewarding. It is not possible, of course, to make an intelligent judge-
ment from this debriefing on the firmness and consistency with which he
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unusual area of uncertainty with a new agent and one which a proba-
·tionary period should dispel. (It should be noted that in one instance,
he volunteered a name as an operational lead -- 1.e., as someone whom we
might find it worthwhile to look up. He also provided what is apparently
an accommodation address in Bogota for Chinese mailings.)
4. Long-Range Usefulness and Initial Targetting. Gibson's long-
range usefulness, of course, would depend not only on his effectiveness
and dependability, but on the opportunities which will emerge and take
shape as a result of his initial activity. As a general proposition, he
can be viewed as an intelligence collection asset targetted at radical
independence movements, pro-Chinese personalities and organizations,
and official personalities in newly emerged countries, primarily in
Africa. Specifically, these targets would include:
a.
PAC and ANC: Gibson claims to have friends in both.
b. FIN and Algerian government and publishing circles.
c.
Afro-Asian Journalists Association, and by extension,
other Afro-Asian groups, such as exist or promised in youth,
labor, women, and so forth.
d. Pro-Chinese European parties, including the Belgian (he
claims to have access to Grippa), the Marseilles faction and the
Swiss activity of Hils Andersson.
e. By extension from these, although at present only a
remote possibility, developing Chinese propaganda and intelli-
gence instrumentalities.
In the short range, a current assignment for us should meet the follow-
ing criteria:
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lend itself to probationary exploitation;
b. not tie Gibson down indefinitely to one location or
involve him in an identification with one faction, group or
party that would limit his later flexibility;
c. permit him to respond to targets of opportunity as we
may define, them, both to have a maximm test of the range of his
capability and access, and to probe for the best long-range use
we can put him to;
d. enable him to build his bona fides and his contacts as
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journalist, preferably operating from Europe, capable of credible travel
in Europe, Africa and even Asia, with some associations which will pre-
serve his bona fides with target Afro-Asian groups. Assuming the devel-
opment of adequate cover, he could then spend an initial period this
spring and summer in Algeria to cover the Second Bandung Conference
(29 June) and the World Youth Festival (28 July). (Other international
conferences, including followup AAPSO meetings to the Ghana Congress in
May, an Afro-Asian Journalists Conference or further PAJU meetings can-
not be anticipated as targets at present either because of indefinite,
planning or because of unsuitable location. There is little doubt, how-
ever, that additional meetings will take place in Algiers and Africa
bringing together interesting target personalities from Africa and Asia
whom Gibson might attempt to report on.) In addition to his contribu-
tion in coverage of these meetings he might also attempt to develop his
access and contact among the official Algerian community at least with
the value of developing biographical and operational support data.
5. Proposed for Discussion. The following questions seem to pre-
sent themselves for discussion at this time:
8. decision on the continuation of support to Gibson on a
probationary period;
b. determination on targetting for initial probationary and
possible long-range employment;
C.
mechanics of establishing a project;
d. timetable for assignments.
James M. Murphy
CA/CF
Attachments:
LOND-7065 (re tentative cover arrangements)
Partial list of names cited in Gibson's debriefing
Selections from the initial processing of Gibson's debriefing
Distribution:
1 - AF/1 Mr. Baker
1- CO/xb Mr. Downs
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HAVE TO PAY RENT AND TUITION. S CLOTHES OBVIOUSLY VERY SHABBY,
HE SAID HE WEARING HIS LAST WHOLE PAIR OF PANTS. WILL NEED
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MICROFILM
Transmitted herewith are copies of a memorandum of under-
standing signed by GIBSON on 23 February 1965. The original is being
retained in the Station.
2. Two receipts signed by GIBSON on 19 February and 23
February 1965, each in the sterling equivalent of $200, were forwarded
to Headquarters with London's TA 5-190. We suggest that these receipts be
obtained from Finance and incorporated in GIBSON's 201 dossier.
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Richard GIBSON, the former editor of the pro-Chinese Communist
publication "Revolution", left London towards the end of January 1965
and returned in the second half of March, having visited Lausanne,
Milan, Rome, Paris and Brussels. During his travels he met Nils
ANDERSSON, who was formerly connected with "Revolution" in Lausanne
and Jacques GRIPPA, the leader of the pro-Chinese dissident group of
the Belgian Communist Party. Since his return to the U.K. he has made
proposals to the Afro-Asian Journalists' Association for these persons
to receive copies of the Association's publication, "Afro-Asian
Journalist". He has also suggested to the Afro-Asian Journalists'
Association that copies of the publication should be sent to the
following:-
Bulletin d'Information Marxiste-Leniniste,
11, rue du Landry,
Clichy,
France.
The English Bookshop,
42, rue de Seine,
Paris 60.
111.
Nuova Unita,
Piazza Cavour 2,
Milan.
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Marxtisch-Leninstisch-Centrum,
Postbus 1595,
Rotterdam.
2.
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Europe with the object of expanding sales of the English and French
editions of "Afro-Asian Journalist".
17th March, 1965.
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1. Ref forwarded the tapes and a rough transcription of the debriefing
session with Subject, which were held on February 17, 18, 19, 23, 1965.
2. In accordance with Headquarters' instructions, these meetings
were kept on a don't-call-us-we'll-call-you basis - in fact GIBSON was given
no means for calling us. Also in accordance with Headquarters' instructions,
we did not pay GIBSON at a constant rate of over $100 per hour. The first
($300) payment to GIBSON was in fact more than we had originally intended to
give him as a "binder", but in light of the imminence of his trip to Prope
we advanced him that sum to help him to meet his expenses. This nicely
coincided with our own time table, since the time he was gone some three
weeks should have provided adequate time for the initial tape to be
reviewed and for requirements to be prepared and pouched to the field.
any rate, the total sum given to GIBSON, for his time and a shot at his
mailing list, was $700.
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funds. The information obtained on ChiCom contacts of GIBSON, or on any
ChiComs at all, was slight. GIBSON claims not to have had more than very
little contact with them, and not to know too much about them. Unless there
is hard info to the contrary, we are inclined to believe that GIBSON was
telling pretty much the truth in this respect, as indeed seems to have been
the case almost all of the time. While this is a bit of a disappointment,
in a way, and seems to lessen the immediacy of LCHARVEST interest, it
certainly does not appear to eliminate GIBSON's potential worth.
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4. The London Station continues to feel that GIBSON has considerable
potential as a source of positive intelligence on a wide range of targets
targets that appear to be only lightly covered otherwise, although we are
not always able to judge this. A review of this debriefing can only cause
one a certain amount of amazement at GIBSON's encyclopedic knowledge of many,
many groups, personalities and parties of the far left, literally from
America to Zanzibar. We leave it to Headquarters, of
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his material; to the London Station, however, it appears to be not only
rather massive but detailed as well. We do not doubt that he will be
caught out from time to time on facts, and perhaps interpretations as well.
But the totality of his information - and the whole performance was without
notes is astonishing.
5. Several points should be noted. First of all, a conscious effort
was made to show GIBSON that his comments on the American scene were not
being made a matter of record. (I took notes during our talk, and always
stopped making notes when such a topic came up.) This is, as KULPA noted in
OELW #1903 of 12 February 1965, an area of sensitivity with GIBSON. The only
times that GIBSON really became emotional were when he talked about the
American soene, his involvement, and the involvement of his close associates.
And he kept reverting to the topio, and his involvement in it, throughout
our conversations. We did not share KULPA's impression that GIBSON's
dissatisfaction with the state of racial relations in America makes him
generally anti-American. He does say that he would not like to be living
in America for the coming year; but in the context of one who does not wish
to be caught up in a period of growing violence, which GIBSON appears not to
believe to be the solution to the problem. He states: "I can understand
how they feel that way, I can recognize the problems, but I sure don't know
what the solution to the problem is." His judgments on Negroes in the front
of the racial struggle (Walter Bowe, Malcolm X, etc.) reflect not only ar
intimacy with the problem and a genuine concern, but also a generally
reasonable and real understanding of many of the forces at work. GIBSON
tends to condemn individuals - he spares no sympathy for the FBI, under-
standably but he does not appear to condemn the United States as a whole,
nor even the United States Government as a whole. At the same time, he
makes no phoney protestations, either.
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6. Regarding Cuba, GIBSON showed a similar emotional involvement (he
acknowledges "my pro-Castro bias") but, withal, manages to give a more
balances portrayal of the situation than many rabidly anti-Castro
commentatore. (Cuba, and Cuban matters, were also similarly low-keyed by
me during our talks.)
7. Where GIBSON really comes into his own, and really astonishes with
the breadth of his personal information and understanding, (and largely, it
appears, without the same personal involvement and bias) is in African
affairs (especially in left-wing fields), European Trotskyists and
Communists and their general milieu, and Chinese-oriented international
front organizations. Similarly he appears to be informed on certain ChiCom
efforts at subversion and propaganda in Latin America.
8.
Rather as if reading our thoughts, GIBSON offered to recruit him-
Belf. He didn't get too specific, and neither did we. But he did make it
quite clear that he would be willing to collect information for us, knowing
only that we were ODYCKE, probably suspecting that we were KYBARK, and
probably equally doubting (because he knows the difference ( that we were
ODENVY. His motivations can be compiled from his own words. He has for
some time been unable to find a suitable job here in London, He has economic
pressures working on him - now exacerbated by the fact that his wife has
caused her brother to withdraw some of the support that he had been
providing. Venal? Opportunistic? Or someone who has a wife and two kids
to support, and no job for the past eight months? GIBSON acknowledges that
he has become somewhat bored with the "rpro-biology" of chasing petty
ideological differences, the kind that make factions of six members or less.
At the same time, he acknowledges that he has to have a job, and that his
access to and knowledge of these persons and groups are marketable
commodities. His preference, he says, would be to have a nice quiet
journalistic or public relations job here, but his efforts to find such a
job have been fruitless. How, obviously, can one of his background and
talents better employ them than as a collector and reporter of information?
He says that he would like public relations or press work for the UN, perhaps,
or an ODYCKE agency, but he is certain that he could never get the requisite
security clearance. Still, obviously, he suspects that an "irregular" arm
of ODYONE, such as we, might be able to work something out.
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9. How about his ideological motivation?
We had hoped for some
more concrete expression than we got, on this score, but what we have
is not too bad. He states that he will not be "intellectually dishonest" ›
to the point of becoming a "professional anti-Communist," by which he
means a propagandist. At the same time, he agrees that he has no
desire to be a professional revolutionary. Again we note that he is
not blindly or unduly critical of ODYOKE. Granted, he criticizes many
elements of ODYCKE policy and tends to defend some enemies of CDYCKE.
A failure for him to do so would be sufficiently remarkable to make
us totally suspicious of him. Note further his comment that he would
havebeen perfectly willing to talk to us a year ago in Faris in the
same fashion as he has here. This would sound rather suspicious and
difficult to believe, were it not for the fact that he did show him-
self to be candid and cooperative in his Paris interview with a PBSWING
officer.
10. How badly blown is GIBSON, then, if we are thinking of using
him. After all, he has been publicly labelled a "CIA agent." Could he,
then, work for HUBARK successfully? GIBSON himself is certainly a better
judge of that than the London Station, and we feel that there are only
two indices that can be used to judge the matter. The first and most
immediate is GIBSON's own opinion, since he has lived with the problem,
and has tested the idea in practice. He feels that he could still
operate ("move" is his term) in most of the desirable arees success-
fully, provided he has adequate cover for being where he is and doing
what he does. The second inder would be for us to test his continuing
access to targets of interest. It should not take too long to make
such a test without putting anything into real jeopardy.
He
11. Cover for GIBSON, of course, would be a serious problem.
himself proposes the obvious answer: some kind of vaguely left
journalistic tie-up. We should think that such cover could be arranged.
And we propose to disucss a number of possibilities with Headquarters
in due tine.
12. Utilization and locale are most closely related, of course.
From our vantage point here, it would appear that Algiers would be the
rost desirable home base for GIBSON. He could range out from there into
Europe or the rest of Africa (the two best targets, apparently) and
maintain a reguler flow of information on Algerian affairs while "at
home." He has spoken several times of the ease with which he is integrated
into the Algerians environment, and he has a fairly well established base
there from which to expand his operations. He has said that he would be
willing to go there, or France, or most any other place where his
children can continue their education in French. And Algiers appears
to be, for the foreseeable future, a worthwhile target in its own right,
as well as the site of a growing number of international front organization
meetings, for which GIBSON would appear to have exceptionally fine
credentials. As he says, he could go elsewhere in Africa, but Algiers
is where he would fit best. We would be inclined to keep him, for the
most part, away from the Cuban milieu (except, perhaps, incidentally) to
avoid straining his reportorial objectivity. In the African, European,
and international front areas, we suspect that careful checking would
ensure such objectivity.
.13. His utilization could best be considered on a straight
information-collecting basis. To use him as a propaganda tool would be
not only repugnant to him but destructive of his utility as well.
Presumably he could be permitted to continue to write, not only for
his overt emplyers (in a straight news fashion), but perhaps cooasionally
for leftist periodicals of his own choosing, in order to maintain his
own cover. (This is, admittedly, seeing rather far into the future.)
We do feel, however, that GIBSON could be an admirable and highly valuable
collector of positive information on that whole spectrum of the left with
which he is already so familiar.
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14. GIBSON and security, to this point: GIBSON has met only
myself, under alias, and under the impression that I was here temporarily.
This idea was apparently made to stick, throughout our conversations.
We would propose that, if GIBSON be recruited in fact, he be handled in
alias and at a good, safe distance - more than arm's length. Until
qufficient operational testing had been carried out, we would suggest
that he not have a "resident case officer" anywhere i.e., neither
here nor in Algiers. Control of GIBSON is partly exercised by the
documents we have received from him (receipts, memo of understanding)
plus the voluminous taped comments. These, while not worthy of a court,
are sufficient to do him considerable professional and personal damage
note particularly that his wife, according to him, would not approve of
any of our contacts, and this appears to be quite meaningful to him.
Financial control would be a continuing factor. And, perhaps to an
unusually high degree, we feel that GIBSON would feel considerable
gratitude to whoever (i.e., KUBARK) rescued him from his present and
difficult position, "forgiving all", and providing him with a measure of
respectability (at least in his own eyes) that he has henceforth been,
unable to achieve and maintain. In sum, we feel that a reasonably
strong combination of control factors exist, and can be continued for
as long as GIBSON would be properly handled.
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15. We should also like to comment on the reliability of GIBSON'в
comments in the course of our meetings to date. We have found him to
be thoroughly consistent in his comments and attitudes throughout.
We found no indication of deliberate deception or serious attempts to
mislead. He may have provided some erroneous materials, or he may have
erroneously interpreted some events; but his comments and attitudes
remained sufficiently consistent to lead us to believe that he was
being reasonably honest all the way. He played down some items, no
doubt, and played up others. In the course of a debriefing such as this
was there seemed little or no point in pushing hard at such points
besides, his knowledge of the areas covered so far outdistanced mine
that I could not have attempted to probe or pin him down on specifics.
(Note also his tendency to make corrections in the debriefing questionnaire,
as when the wrong name would appear for a political group in Spitzerland.)
16.
GIBSON's present status is that he is out of work, in debt, and
without any prospects of reasonable employment in the near future. He
is somewhat occupied with an article he is writing for Encounter; this
will probably keep him from taking another job for the next few weeks.
Beyond that, nothing is definite. If we would like to give him a try,
then, some move should be made to formalize matters with him before he
accepts some job that will put him out of the market.
17. Recognizing that there are risks involved, it nevertheless seems
most undesirable to pass up what has the earmarks of being a highly
useful asset. We request, therefore, that Headquarters review and consider
the entirety of our knowledge of GIBSON to this point, and give us a
reading on his potential worth, as viewed by LOHARVEST, AF Division,
KUDESK/ICG and other interested parties. If, for reasons of which
Headquarters is aware, and we are not, GIBSON is considered unacceptable
as a KUTUBE asset, let us know. If, on the other hand, there appears to
be a market for his talents and capabilities, we should move rather
rapidly to pre-empt him. His present flexibility is not likely to last
for long, and any plan to use him should take this into account. As
WR/BC is aware, we are not in a position to put this into the form of a
London Station project. This should not be the reason for neglecting
what appears to be such a potentially rewarding asset for KUBARK, however.
18. We would appreciate a reply within a couple of weeks of Head-
quarters' receipt of this dispatch.
Kot
George H. KATZENBACH
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1.
Transmitted herewith are the tapes of the 17, 18, 19 and
23 February sessions with GIBSON. Also transmitted is a copy of the
Station-prepared transcript of the tapes. The quality of the transcription
varies: the first session is mostly summarized, the subsequent ones are
almost verbatim. Roberta L. HORRELL did the transcripts, and I
subsequently reviewed them, filling in comments, names, etc., that HORRELL
had missed.
2. As rough as these transcripts are, a careful review of them
is fairly revealing about GIBSON, and about his knowledge of the topics
discussed. Further comment from this end will be contained in an
operational dispatch. Right now we are anxious to get the present material
This is about as far as
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I was in Rome when there was sun.
(I had left Rome when the snow arrived.
I had a reasonably cordial reception almost everywhere. I got some
information. I didn't push too hard. Where I encountered a little bit of
suspicion but not very serious, was in Brussels, and actualy I think it
was so busy there. He said if I could have stayed
was because
Grippu
on a few days, but I didn't have time or money to hang around. But
I can always go back and see him again.
to
A
I went from here to Zurich, "Lausanne. The only reason I went to Zurich
vas simply because Nils Andersson claimed that the Swiss had, you
know
had been expelled from Switzerland with the magazine, and he said that
they had told him that I was interdit de
that is, can't come into
the country.
But I have been in the country numerous times since then; but neverthe-
less I wanted to make certain. I know they know me in the Geneva airport.
I went in the Zurich airport, and took the train there, (for Lausanne).
And there I didn't stay in hotel so that the local police would probably
not know about it. They probably were aware, but they weren't going to
bother, anyway. From Lausanne I went to Milan, Milan to Rome, Rome back to
Lausanne to-
xusuzAndersson again, then Paris, and from Paris to Brussels
and baek here. Altogether it took three weeks. One could have taken
much more time. Actually, it was more establishing of contact. I got
some inform
information for this thing I am writing for Encounter. In fact I got
enough to do what I want to do.
(I have to)
He wants.
see what
nacky
I would like to follow up -- to go on to Algiers, to talk to some more
people down there
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apparently they have got a lot more information abut
Verges. Or so they told Andersson,
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of course useful if I'm going to play the money market. But for Algerian
currency it was hard to find a buyer. The opposition has been the principal
buyer of the new currency. In other words th
Kinend the role whose
and who were
shop of
go out of the country when the change in currency came
4a hard cash for their people going in and out, were buying this currency.
`And this had created a more favorable exchange rate. In any case, at that
time the exchange rate was hardly favorable and you had to give a sell order
Tugjo
24 hours in advance for the bank to find someone And that was the thing.
(
The money, he, says that the exact sum in the bank he is not certain,
He knows that Verges's figure was around $7698x
in that account,
75,000. He thinks that was fairly accurate. That is, 75,000 dollars,
In Algerian currency.
f
1
The money was placed there between the end of July
or August of 1962 and December of that year. In other words it was just
after independence but during the period of struggle bateauxxthux for power
Tlemcen (ph) TLEMCEN
between the GPRA and the clandestine (?) group. Where he got the money
...
{ from As for the second $75,000, Verges said he had another account.
✓ He knows (Anderson knows) as he said before, nothing about this. And
Le
frankly doesn't believe it existed.
A
However, he does think that Verges has received small amounts of money,
There from he doesn't know. The Chinese line is ending. In fact, you can
✓ here
tell from looking at the magazine, the last editorial. He changes-
is
The editorial, called Compagnon de Route, which means Fellow Traveler,
This is just what he didn't want to be called. And it ends up by saying
in French- en a fait des compagnons de route-
- we're fellow travelers, we're for a united front of all the liberation
movements with comprehension but without condescension. It's much more
<undenkaznenix modest, it's a playing down of their own role. In fact sone
of the articles xxxind inside the magazine of course are not in line
with the editorial. The editorial doesn't have Verges's style, either.
Что do you suppose wrote it?}}
That is very difficult to say. It doesn't to my mind seem to be the
Kin
Russel
style of them either. I would suspect that it was written by Gassard (?)
but for what purposes. _ Grippa's people told me well, they considered
this a favorable turn, that they were willing to accept Verges as a fellow
traveler but as nothing more, and they told him that long ago. This is
a power struggle. They told him that and what's more they're still
not certain that they want to have anything to do with him. And apparently
it's gotten to be the standard--something that you donmad-- they demand
that people who come to see Grippa now are - forced to say "we have nothing
to do with Verges; if we had something to do with Verges, we make our self-
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to Algiers.
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I would like to follow up
_
For instance, I would like to
some people down there that I could talk to. Apparantly they've got a
lot more information about Verges and so on.” Saika That's what they
told Anderson.
Who told Anderson?
Oh, some members of the Algerian Foreign Ministry who, I think, is in
AUSGEVEN,KOZLOørehereshigeriihen Switzerland. He sees a lot of
traveling
vasious
in
Algerians because he worked with them during the Algerian war,
capacity.So he still sees them. He has kept on fairly good terms with them.
(You
Anderson
(for)
He assures me that the money
You turned up some information in your talks with Anderson-
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Yes, Bene. You mean about source of funds.
was not as I thought it was; but it was in the form of Algerian currency.
I thought it was in stocks and bonds. My assumption that it was in stocks
(VUNSS)
make")
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and bonds was based on his statements that he/ used to any, whenever we would
ask him for money he would say, "I must go to the bank to tell then to sell"
Now apparently what this meant was that they were holding the Algerian
say,'
currency. You could deposit money in Swiss banks,
If I poset
I could hold
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held as currency
Hey hold it in a w
and give a sell order.
the mine
the deposit. ✓ could hold in pounds!
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criticism. You know,
this anymore.' "
to
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A number of groups, apparently so.
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You know, they have created
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the socalled Spanish Communist Party, funtion Marxist-Leninist, and this was
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one of the conditions. There are talks going on in France between the
Trient group and the Marseilles group and that was one of ungun again,
Kin: ad
the conditions of the Marseilles people who were tied up with
that Varges had nothing to do with them. On the other hand there are
Clichy
students,
-Trichy sump and A young left-shangi
talks between
Lost
-nard,
; they call them-
selves the Drapeau Rouge group. It's a very small group anyway. That again
was a condition. They put out a magazine, a news letter, called Drapeau
Rouge which had been mainly written- it's one single edition- mainly
Kiên
written by Count
So obviously, the wind has turned very much against
strange things too. To Maspero,
him(them). Verges has said, howder, tarkimeteny not very long xgenxxx
ago at a cocktail party, he said, "I don't see why people reproach me
the
of
"
for accepting aid fx African friendsand comrades- African comrades,
no longer Chinese comrades. He also says that he admitted that they had
made mistakes, that the magazine had been too sectarian, dogmatic,
(Verges said this to Maspero?))
Yes. Anderson told me that.
((when
Arab?)
he says African, does he mean Black African or Arab?
This is what we don't know. We have no idea who would waste that much
money on him. First of all, who has the money, with which parties does
=
he have connection.
2
onnection. ?
The UPC and the Cameroons, That split. The UPC and
the Cameroons, a certain amount of money comes from Russia, other money
coming from the Chinese, but very small amounts, because no one wants to
pour money into this very divided organization. And he had contacts with
one wing of it. I mux can't see them giving him any money. The Salaba,
Salawa party bugure and Niger, they also, according to Anderson,
Mamani
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2
? lani, who is one of their executive people, who is in Algiers, and who
comes to Switzerland quite often, said that he no longer even bothered
2
when he goes to Paris, to see Verges, that he sort of considered it
worthless, sort of an adventurer, an opportunist.
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The thing that was for me a bit frustrating in all of this was that
every once in a while
this that and the other, 16, has
always had this equivoque, this doubt hanging over him. But no one has
anything hard and fast about him. You can get well in the past, what did
he do. We know vaguely what he did, but nevertheless, what would you say
and so
that Ta m'a that
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his ambition,
but his ambition seems to shift from one thing to the other.
You don't know exactly what does he want. When he started this magazine,
obviously he wanted to play a role in Algeria and Africa. Driven out of
Africa, he still thinks he's going to get back to Algeria within a
relatively brief period of time, six months to a year. And he kept saying.
to us, "Oh, yes, we'll be back, we'll be back." He's already prepared a
list of people he's going to have thrown a in jail, or shot,
(laughing) or threaten with firing squads and so forth. That fell
(ring ball to irria)
through And now, of course, I suppose it must be extremely bitter to
Zora DRIFF
him to see Bitat, who had been my his really, the closest, and Zohardin,
(they had
exception of
been his closest associates inside of Algiers, with axsextx=fX&Ð==¥x2
a
Vijania Roubired
but she doesn't have any real pati weight, politically,
Bitat is back in Algiers, has made his peace with Ben Bella, and now
represents, he's the General Manager for Volkswagen. (laughing).
✓ with the Algerian(d)
Anderson's conversation: 2 about Verges was based just on Bitat. He said
"Well, Bitat is going back. I suppose Verges will be following behind."
Ko said (the Algerian), "No he won't. We have a file on him, "What he's done.
With money, in particular. Apparently they claim that he had been dipping
funds
into the pet for years.
(This
claim-) Yes, that
This is the Algerian claim-- Yes, what they told Anderson.
the Federation of France.
I think it's probably true. The funds of the FL You see he was, after
defense ng_team_12)
in France,
all, a lawyer and then became the top lawyer of the FLN A
The legal defense team, and this meant that
he had access to enormous sums of
FLA
money. The Alger-- obviously and underground organization, even as well—
one, in France,
structured a one as the Algierian = ་ cannot demand very accurate bookkeeping.
Husmancy was
There were all sorts of very funny jokes about how then
I millions of old francs.
receipt
written on the corner of a newspaper
newspaper for su
простим
handled, (cor)
. And so under those circumstances
This
Verges himself has told that some things about time.
.
As for his connection with Khider, Anderson thinks that Khider may have
(Verges)
helped him to get money wit of Algeria, but he doesn't think that he got
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inside
anything after he left and Khider left Algeria. In other words, he said
as long as he was on the scene and formed part of this vague opposition
to Ben Bella which Khider sought to at least unite on a few issues around
himself he may have received some money. But afterwards, he doesn't think
he received any. He has no proof, of course. If he did receive, it would
have been small suns given to Janina Buhures- as a token of friendship
more than anything else. That may have explained her trip to Geneva, when
she did bring some money.
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His connection with Khider. Anderson thinks he gōt no money after
he left (Algiers).
2.
If any came it would have been small suns given to Geneva as expression
of friendship..
✓
of a Swedish
A and V V maintains A owes him money because offset press bought
originally for Revolution. He was very careless about money. At one
point asked A to buy a house. Evidently thought he had enough money
for anything. They bought press which turned out to be useless.
A. then took it. E A said he wanted it. Haggled over price. Then
Ressel went to to to well the same press to
to 
grippa; to play
of ignippa and Indo recae pa
In fact, he did emutually any
an identicing for in
from installed 
in his place 
in Brussels. Duyotary,
did pay
patit
was also
The
ando, which is
hought a certain amount. But they didn't decide price definitely.
Ganguin)
(which may)
"
But A. paid a debt to a printer Swiss printer owed by Verges.
1 Gauguin. !
This printer has sued for *** 48,000 swiss francs. He has
at NMPP (Nouvelle Messtigo de Prisal Parisienne)
blocked Revolution's recount A They had 7.50 franes in the account
1
when he blocked it. They had a previous debt with a French printer.
Amount of money coming in from sales is very small. roger has not contactic
(Could put the magazine out of existence. only to demand money
and
Дандийн
Vergle
Tauquin)
Grinin
He has
A
if d't find it in 48 hours could force bankruptcy. But he wouldn't do
that unless someone would guarantee he would get his 48,000.
Creditors wait, hoping they will get something.
that
worl be the
I ^
To Guarantee Bauguin for amount of money, best way to put Rev. out of
I could get a
business. I could do it myself if could get the money.
Similar udgment and fance bankrupt.
Actual legal composition of the company found by my lawyer:
nouvelles
Edicion
Internation
new
22 Aug 1963, Verges through a lawyer deposited papers of corporation
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for Societé Anonyme RL at leth bureau Paris. capital of 10,000 franes
St.
18,000 held by Verges and 2000 by Maurice Ener
желмінно беше ичи
I thought there were at least five, but only two.
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The money actually deposited by a check through the lawyers guild.
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france
There is 10,000 somewhere along the line. To Gauguin could get hat much.
Company does exist but nobody able to find it.
current legal status- we are fighting for back wages. he denies.
He said we were paid too much. Then be salve
then it goes before fact-finding agent. are they were "in confidence"
were competent - one look at the magazine disproved dish.
rw
This continues to drag on. The lawyer in Paris is not energetic., Bro-in-law
paid the lawyer 500 frames. He probably thinks that is all he is
question of propaning
going to get out of it. Translations, etc. He shows lack of will power.
He is an orthodox Communist. He is very honest. But hates seandal.
So why push it?
probably thinks "they are out of France" (Idont think he has sold out
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can do it in 48 hrs. Lots of people want Rev out of
business. Quention
(?)
Question is where does Verges get the small sums necessary to keep going.
He's paying at least 5 prople full-time plus the pain printer.
Daldueca printed No. 12. it is a high powered firm. what terms of agreement?
13th issue has gone back to offent prose, the old printer. I don't know why.
I should have spent more time in Paris. I dont want to overplay my hand.
The last twing I should have done was
gnize aded to question people systematically.
is
In Paris only important contact Valdes, Spanish. Gave nesome info
☑
no one
Verges
money.
on Span groups. Claimsther asked Cuba for money and got turned down.
Cubs it have much
SINÉ
ta. Great shock to these people to find that Chinese aren't putting in money.
It is always someone else, like Finsinstas
Verges always indirect. doesn't want to ask anybody for money-
probably through Juan Arcocha, press attache, Paris, former sectorar
Havana
Altary
editor of Rev.
& cultural
lucion
Arcocha is very anti-Communist, hipped
Not necessarily one himself. Very interesting
of
Carlos Franqui
on persecution of homosexuals.
I did not see Franqui. I don't know where he is.
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I was getting enough info for personalneeds.
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needs. but didn't want to overdo it.
I do need a better story to travel around on.
Grippa generally was busy, lot of people around, cbviously delegations,
There was a
Calastrophes,
from where I don't know. Something had happened. He is rather vague.
Shock clash between Grippa and Forget came on question of money. After
У
11Gruppo
many months, tergely w
-went to Brussels, talk ended abruptly. ▼ said; tp went
too far, laid down political hed
over the source of funds 
go luffy.
only after
Verges
an exchange
fabere 
he 
was
дено
axsa Delegate general said Grippa didn't believe any of the stuff Verges
Verges.
said about me. Predisposed to oppose -Farge
(Verges will not confide to anyone - even Anderson, where the money comers,
сожной
Verges and Algerian money.
Did he just say, just tell them, that he
got the money from the Chinese? Did he get it from someone in Algeria.
but he is afraid of disclosing.
He wouldn't tell the Chinese at Bern the source of his funds.
; Verges debts total $30,000?) > Now he must have cleared away at least
the big debt with the original French printer. I said 30,000,000 francs or
Kesal
Kessel
about $60,000. Castat confirmed that it was about that amount. Cartei
✓ and I and my wife worked out the estimate. I don't rembmber the breakdown.
Manly Printing, photographs, paper, rent. We said between 30 ---
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promissory notes. and having sun cameters by Jerome an
public of 'Elicia mit
randons
I have to leave around noon. my little girl at home by herself.
Wife working in Tunisian Embassy, 14£ a week. She is (isn't) very
Not much money, remember taxes.
happy there.
Anderson:
general background- he is Swedish, 32 years old, born in
France of French mother and Swedish father. His parents settled in Lausanne
when he was 6 months old. He was raised in Switz. had so little connection
with Sweden that when finally had to go into Swedish army had to learn
Swedish. Married to woman who is daughter of a prominent Conservative
Parliament.
politician, may be a member of the Federal Council. Don't know his name.
· Husband does not see her parents. He chose Ewedish nationality because
Freuch
most convenient, during Algerian war and didn't want to go into^arny.
Swiss nationality would cost both money and military service. Therefore
took Bwedish. In his youth he wasinvolved with literary and dramatie
Swis
معنا
Λ
_
groups, still keen interet in poetry and drama. He is connected with
Theatre
Populaire Romande
.. His press servée mainly for material for
them. About all he prints. He is forbidden to print any political material
but he can print or have printed Chinese literature, which classified
terey
as philosophical. He can't print October. Fust now primulia by Gauguin re
He has never incorporated name la cité -
privately owned press and business, means personal risk.
He is distributor, mainly, for French books in Suity for
some substantial lekto
literamy.
Most of his things are not political (now) but has some. Not essentially
a political operation. Kas two employes, a secretary and a Spanish boy who
takes care of the press.
He for a time very much involved with the FLM, how it happened don't know,
Get as fat as Paris and yours
He was one of their principal agents in Switz. He presented
Swiss sudd
the support net work, to do tasks FI couldn't do themsevles.
face.
Carrying weapons, money, etc. He operated the Swiss and.
Much material was smuggled over Swiss borderat Geneva. Will Hensi Lellete?
NA
aessonal
Through connection with FLN probably made first contact with Verges and
from distailuting
with Maspero. He got into publishing, through contacts with Maspero who
was printing books. Algerians wanted these books to continue coming out
They
thin
in French. Proposed that A print them. He took to Candi jangmin whed
agreed prints and that's how he became a publishct.
He had no trouble. Swiss police thought his life was in danger. From the DBS.
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Is he solvent? Yes. But his wife works sa school teacher. They have
*.11
allation is on one ring - tive Me sapole.
low rent. B^ "Building of very nixed occupancy.
a car. They pay
His father and mother had flat in this building. The father and mother were
decorators.
:
Has office on upper ground floor and press on lower ground floor.
1
His father dead. His mother remaried. Still a decorator.
remaried.
Dont know just when A started this business. He began in decorating busines
paper hanging, etc. Then got into postty, t■ etc. had a little magazine.
He had some money and bought the distributorship of these publications.
From that he went into publishing, dusing algerians was.
Octoore
October- A and group around him, established in 1964, sumner, after
fiasco of the Swiss Communist Party. Extremely small group.
I have more than 30 people.
I doubt if they
Operate mainly inside of the RP, official Communist party. Worker Party.
P&T
R
thesis
Odofel
Aim to convince the people inside of rightness of Chinese thinking and
provide a rallying point for those expelled from the party. Printin
Italian, French &
детали
Swiss CP has all of 15 people.
I estimate 30 to 40 people involved. Very weak organization.
handed
It might be discreetly financed by the Chinese. Through a little moving
over to 
disson
A is obviously no longer really the center of it. He was the initiator.
Fact he is not Swiss may have helped. I feel he was gradually pulling
back from political. involvement. Is under close survielle by the
- has been warned what he 
came and can't to
People even went up to Berne and asked for his expulsion. They got
from livery
منهم بمسية
very little satisfaction.
who come in
There still are numbers of Spaniards- he has Chinese and Albanian literature.
in Spanish.
Once they get out of Spain and can get this stuff they do go and look at it.
Moe no longer exists- has bun jusid mito new Spanion CP.
They are just workers. Mundo Obrero Revolucionario produced on offset or
cons office
mimeograph, principally by Tiafer (phon) Tagaferro.
Catalan. The two leaders one out of it.
Valder
Three groups: proletario, Chispa group is third. That has two people
according to Andesom. The leaders of the other two groups were expelled
from this Lenin-Stalin party.
Don't think he still has distribution of October officially.
Parquis points it
That's political This ban derived from the Revolution incident.
Swiss authorities med us.
Eutro,
1%
could stay in Switzerland if we wanted to but had to get out of all
political activity.
كسلا
on
Bene
in
fitoren samous groups.
the autoide: and the Times Embossy
couldn't ell..
Don't know where A still acts as a contact I feel that he is much less
retive than he was. He was not well informed about Italian \
Nua roup
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"E don't inv.
He is in contact with Grippa/and with Maspero but very unhappy about The
political line of Maspero's paper.
Andersson's wife: a silly woman..
self-dramatizes.
She went to Albania (anniv of Albanian rev.) and some other people from
the October group. Went to reproach them for the aid they had given
Billiard in Jenvey.
Gulyard. His wife does many things he can't do because he is a foreigner.
She would act as his agent. did not go in her
igan.
He doesn't have much to do with Albanians. Her trip gave him a better
impression. But she thought the Albanians be better informed about
Marxist affain
Europe andparty in Europe than the Chinese.
The at one time was a member of the central committee of the Exaxck Swiss
Taste only had
Communist Party. Maybe aber
about 35 members. Practically
anipody
who joined Tra
party was immediately on the Central Committee.
Ampang
Andersson is
pland
known as the man in Swite to see if you want to set up a base for
any kind of a revolutionary movement.
very
coction
Maybe this is now he get in touch wil be pamant.
Dadsis!
these is a
-Churiel Curiel group he had contacts with them. Rev Father Donde
from yamely with FLN
former worker priest,
always gun.
involved in Congolese, etc. rebel groups.
with missal in one hand, sub machine gun in other.
Extraordinary priest. Ead high protection in the Church, with Cardinal
Jeslie (ps) & hypne.
who recently died. When priest was arrested, money
to help from Cardinal.
Some left the Catholic church.
provides the fasis for the
left-wing youths
1
I
generation
uld say this Algerian gene
France. The ans
who saw the total infectiveness for
Party in a colonial situation and who were from dealistic mas disgusted with it and
sought to make up for this jailure on 
the part of the Communt Party.
Spanish, Italian, Portugese workers in Switz. Many are left-oriented
and interested.
dax they are just workers.
Tagria ferne
Tifer, Catalan.
Marxist-Leninist Communist party made of the three groups- Mundo Obrero,
Profetario, Chispa groups. Two members.
I can perfectly believe it.
cease any activities on behalf of Revolution which was felt as undesirable.
Whether he is still a contact between groups on outside and Chinese
Communists in Berne cannot say. He is much less active.
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He may be going to Brussels. He is in contact with Grippa. I don t
know about it. He is unhappy with Ma political line of Maspero's publicatios
Builliard
aid they had given guiblard.
Apparently that was ironed out. His wife does manythings that he can't do
because he is a foreigner. She acts as his agent.
✓ But he doesn't have much to do with Albanians, but her visit has somewhat
raised the prestige of Albania in their eyes.✓
G
I think he would much rather deal with the Chinese.
He may have come in contact with the Spaniards through the Algerians.
He is known as
The
"man in Switz to go to see if you want to set up a base for
_ ary movement .
any kind of revolution of Can give you advice,
put you in touch with the right bunch of people to sell you arms, if that's
sorts of things -
what you vantisxsex.
grup
There was a group called Curiert, extremely active in all Daney
Curial group. He had contacts with them, with the Rev Father Donde,
A
former
who is
Catholic priest from Lyons, worker priests, involved with the FLM,
very much on the left, now involved in various things, rebels, Congolese,
✓ with missal in one hand and machine gun in the other iss
always gun-running, but had very high protection in the Church, his
ties with Cardinal Gesier of Lyons, who just died. He had ties with the
Vere
Algerians. Whe
Cardinal would be informed and
would
roney
be made available to take care of him.
from the
Many of people
h
were Catholic, just Catholic, some left the church.
C Party didn't want anything to do with the Algerians.
Some are now in Algeria. Algerian
gave basis for Chinese elements
pro-
in leftwing youth of France generation
ones who saw the total ineffectiveness of the Com party in France
vere disgusted with it and sought to make up for this failure
...
are pies;
The
and sought to make up for this failure of the Com party. I understand
now that there is great conflict with new generation in youth movement,
in France. As far as Spaniards concerned, suspect it came about that way.
A's contacts with the Spaniards were extremely broad, many not even Marxists,
Spanish Social Democrats, some of them. Broad left spectrum. He published
a book about
Spanish Workers. Bitterly attacked by
and Valdes. It wasn't Marxist at all.
Kien
Af Mairly easy access to Chines Embassy. With Ambassador? No with a
mil
man named Chu,think First Secretary. He apparently is the delegated to deal
Communists and so on.
with Europeans
Don't know whether ▲ has contact with other Chinese. Some Chinese
to him. Normally a question of publishing books. And a very modest type
of thing.
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A has nothing to do with NEAP
رشد فرصت نگاره
His basically with the Embassy.
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CURIEL ? MUST MEAN QUERIELLE
He told me had an incident with the Sov First Sec. at the Cuban Embassy
last Jan. The Sov heard his name. said are you Swiss English? Ne said, no, I'm
Swedish.
Švies. You must be the Anderson. Sov. told him he couldn't get away with
They had people them.
that sort of thing long. An emotional outburst. Tried later to leave
better impression-
K
Rus
..
I admire what you have been doing, etc.
A is known, to the Soviets.
He has been in contact with the Silach Party, with the Eritreanſ, Liberation
movement. That was slight. He is in auch with Curiel and.
the French
and company.
I'm not certain he is in complete approval of what Curiel group doing.
At one time Ciriel group interested in something in West Indies. I understand
that they were inying to send arms into Martinique and Quadlampe-
'
one can
get in Switzerlan
and ship.
- which
A was in contact with French West Indians. I don't know how far that went.
Here in London Curiel wanted to found a magazine last summer to be devoted
to West Indies.
Doubled here,
* Flamingo and Daylight. Don't know whether Curiel has ɛatşi anything to
do with it. There is a new one, Magnet. And said to be another one on
I've sun Dabsis (?) in Algeria and Lausan
the way.
but I really don't won what Cutiel to
mpis.
The Spaniards- I had no real knowledge onthat.
20 a courier.
-pacent,
has condect
He is likely to keep up conects with the Spaniards. Also, with the Portuguese
Finchus causanne Krows what's going on.
-e.q.
He is mixed up with Angola, was involved with the MPLA.
He was disappointed when the exaggerated claims of the MPLA were exposed: des
their clas
that they had planes, arms on the inside, etc. But they couldn't doumut their claims
the OAU.
i-a
Turned out a monstrous bluff. The UPA much more conservative organization;
it did have a fighting force. And cautioned mitet quite recently, to stanzale
And that was when Viriato da Cary and sticks switcheal from the MPLA.
Understand Dr. Neto still running around, the contact with the Chinese.
He probably is in Algiers now.
merely
Скуошговое
who come to
✓
Lucane.
comes to
A. has contacts which consist of being there.
A.kept in contact with Verges when Verges in Algiers. He had cultivated
and elime everything about Verges money.
Andersons. Mrs. A. went down there to visit Verges. A. had full power ☑
✓ of attorney to sign for the Vorges bank account in the mondes Banques.
This
November
from hufaxu 1962 until probably' Jan 1964. Verges claimed that A had taken
money. A claimed the funds were down to 500 Swiss franes anyway.
A found out he was furious.
Terges sent essex to close the account. Behind A's back, and when
Verges cianied he also had a coud arcant-
each other nice spring 19
1964
in Geneva.
sion & Verge haven't seen
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SINÉ
In Oct of 62 before I went to Algiers, ba when I came to Paris I saw
it was indicsans-
Sinet who had large amounts of Algerian curreency in his
flat. the
we inillion of leaves.
clost shelves were covered with bundles of Algerian currency:
велаё
I, met Sinet in New York when he came back from Cuba. He and his wife.
He came rough FPCC off.
He asked me if I had time to help him change some of this money, which
22
A
ch he claimed was given him by an Algerian friends who was going on
after independence
a world tour, had brought it from Algiers, but banks did not want to
of Algerian money - would only : ake up to a certain amount.
various people to airport, etc.
-for-one rate.
change large amounts He was sending it by
Qra on
small banks, to change a little at a time.
the money thatVerges got, I assume.
Sinst
This of course was prt of
Verges had net Finet during the Algerian war, when and how I don-t know.
Suit had been closely involved with the Algenin desaing the war. But
He was *Ex■ too conspicuous to do much in am
given money and such.
Certainly helped in propaganda.
He kund Chanderli at the UN, and
-gehen way.
may have
His Algerian connections very good. He was in contact with Ben Bella.
Suits
Sine
The Erench govt would never allow Finet to go to see Ben Bella but
Where Ben Billa was. suddenly released, he said he had us propis
did allow Finet's wife to go. It was she who took clothes to Ben Bella
when he was released, and went to Cairo.
when I saw Sinct in Paris
Ratat
In 62 I was thinking of going to Algiers. I was vague about. He told me all
and someone mamia maurice masquino (ph.) who then was
Editor
of bel mujahid, verbly, official organ of the FUN.
Sist
It was actually throgh Finet that I really got the job with Verges.
Verges)
I had heard of him and he apparently had hear of me, but I had never known
him before.
سے
gove
TLEMCEN
Water
Suit had proposed that I meet then in eber - but couldn't,
-I don't know why. He had to Morvecs of something,
GERA
This was at the time between the struggle between the GRA and the Ciemsen
for power in Algeria. And I don't know whise he was...
playe
They needed
Again, he
r group
a role in the transfer of frunde..
for
a lage parade.
Verges carried the money Morocco for hider to Algiers.
meeting with Verges about 15 minutes. Talking about an English lang.
My first meeting with Veress about 15
edition then.
then. of
Revolution
was then business manager,
Ali Buzuren, later secy of Algierian Embassy in Leopoldville.
"/^
alergen!
First meeting was in November. 1962
n Offices of Journal d'algun
had to be cleaned up. had been bombed. ry CAS
get staff, etc. He in meantime we went to Paris saw people connected
with Maspero - Grand Chation to whom he proposed: my@gets as
He was careful to make sure he had foreign editors not Algerian.
مسوقين
as cotitet
Revolution lasted 18 issues. I have the full file if you are interested.
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2:21.
ohy verges-lost-post,
The political section was breaking up.
Pritat & cudit disaganed withs Bar Bella.
recretary of the party
to use he had some
Khider was seeking to use his pookas
sost of hold
but his middle class background" used ery successfully against him by
M.
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Ben Bella. Since he came out of this milion of small hop. cups and gross
and here were scarcities as easy to blame sides wery. 
universe was something 
book.
Everyone knew of Khider's speculation with money. Turned out he had
$12,000,000 in Switzerland, probably much more else.
Verges was originally the head of the African Section of the Algerian
foreign ministry. After the Clemsen proup came in. Five to
his aporean contacts
He did not get along at all well with hemisti
-was-Ben-Bella's foreign minister.
He then at same time made contacts with
مالك who
, I'm certain,
Hein
Bitat and Khider for money.
Ben Bella never gave approval, but other members of the political bureau did.
And the money came from Kider it was unblocked
Fifty million france in cash brought in 
tn Racked 
by Chider, fmally
-
It went behind Ben Bella's back. Once it came out it was a fait accompli, and ididit case.
Verges
He maintained later he didn't expect to hold out as long as he did.
Diamila Boulived
His wife under Moslem law, was asked by Ben Bella if she would marry
him. She had ferocious animosity against Ben Bella, still has 2 link.
To all this bad blood-prustrated teine came into play
When Verge
aped to to the Addis Ababa confidence he was not longer in
The Fasting Ministry) de cabell something 
paling did the bed. Two race
was already sillyland and they
dary rated he was called-party headquali
fold in was asked to turn over everything to a-man-named-HARVEr. At 11 next morning,
with ejamila Bou hireds uile, he went to.
☐ That same evening he left by car, went to Morocco and then Paris.
He has connections in Morocco. 20
but I don't know who.
Riefe
as the Palace, so I undo ands
Verges always cultivated a myth of big connections. But he does
circulate in worldly circles. Claims contacto in Pompidous Pfice.
I never saw
венеловкие
хочу
lence from
"Pompiston's office, ohony
PRETADESS
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obviously the money
Sinet had had
-
transferred
So he went to Paris and then he came to Switserlandm and/then he started
to set up he had some money, obviously in France . . . and then he
started transferring his funds from Algiers-from Lausanne -
it on his person, on my person - no he never carried any money, but I
carried some, and Kessel did too. Kessel claimed that he was actually
stopped and searched and that he had this money in 500 franc bills
in his hip pocket and they never looked in thets. Any way, he did
"get the money in from Fracne. And he began publication of Revolution
as a monthly in September of 1963.
((Had you known in advance what he was going to do?))
No. In fact, it was a question for a while, whether he would do it'
in Switzerland.
A wanted Verges to set up magazine in Switzerland. Finet was very
much against it. I'm certain Verges xx never intedned to go to Switzerland
stati
Harvey immediately spread story that Verges had stolen something like
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very upset when he heard that Verges was in Paris. He didn't like being
connected with somebody who had stolen money. I called Verges and said
he better get in touch with Andersson himself, better see him soon, because
he would keep putting him off. The fact was that Andersson and I went to
Paris. That's when we saw Verges. Verges platated him, said there was
no truth in the charges. In fact, the charges were reduced. Harbi himself
came to London. (The amount) went down, from 300 million
from Go million
to 50 million
•
to 200 million
and the whole thing was dropped.
Buzerin, the business manager, was extremely indignant about the talk about
misappropriation of funds and demanded an audit of the books. They found
6 million francs surplus. That was even more disturbing to them down there.
Harbi
"
Rabbi is supposed to have said "this isn't swindling; this is an affair of
state. Buzerin was then given his clean bill of health and he went off to
be secretary (of Embassy) in the Congo, in Leopoldville.
On his way
--
he was no longer going to
back last Spring from Leopoldville A
stay there; I think he is in Algeria now-- he and his wife stopped in Paris
and saw Verges. He had been in contact with Verges and he was very much
tried, family- wise, wife this whole Bitat - Zahra Driff crowd.
--
"
Our transfer/was simply that here we had been working for Verges
personally. The money, there -in Switzerland, had been his money and the
Algerians never made any attempt to get in touch with us. None whatsoever.
There was a letter to Anderson from Chalion, who remained with the
Algerians. There was an attempted phone call from them down there- probably
Chalion or someone with the magazine- which Andersson refused to accept.
So we really were never before the choice. In other words, he proposed
(the work); we were doing what he proposed. He was going to continue and
the Algerians had no coherent story about the money and what was going
on. At that time they weren't interested in the English edition. Later,
when it continued, they did produce in Algiers one issue of an English
edition, an imitation of ours
Ours, which
which 
was very badly done. That was the
last. They never did any more. That was edited by Patricia Magowan Pinheiro,
who was involved with a
a half-Anglish, half-Portuguese leader from Mozambique who allegedly--
FRELIMO
A.
his group is extremely small-- He was kept going by the Filemo people from
Mozambique because of the fact that they needed a European to represent
the progressive European element (laughing) for when the day comes for
(Yes husband)
takeover by Africans- well, Carlos was waiting for the day when Carlos
will be produced as a genuine Mozambiquen of European origin.
also involved with the Portuguese. She wrote a book about Portugal
She was
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a man by the name of
.
it in
(under the name,), Peter Fryer, published 1962. I can't remember the
title. She speaks Portuguese. May be- apparently is connected with the
Trotskyist group.xfhaxxenidxktkextexgetxhzɛkxte
The Portuguese, from
what I undrastand is
_ I would flike to get back to Algiers to see what is going on Gre
on 
Great
(ferment - splitting - the Eldorado business
дожд
on
Just part of the iceberg that stuck up above the water. She was close
to the Algerians. She produced this one issue. Then that flopped. She had
been asked by Verges to go with me to Lausanne to be the joint editor
of the edition in English. She refused because she wanted to stay in
Algiers, stay close to her Portuguese groups She didn't think very much
of me simply because she had set up the publication of the English
edition kazakazkoadaux, (which) was supposed to have been done in London.
And then suddenly behind their backs Verges arranges it Switzerland. The
British Communist Party was very much upset about the whole thing. They
had thought that they might be able to have something to do with it,
that they might take it over. They had a woman who was working for us
here, named Rosalind Ainslie, South African, a European woman from South
Ext KEX News
Africa, who obviously - She works for
works for East Germ
дит
Agency here now-would have been their agent. It was even going to be
incorporated here under her name. Verges was going to be the junior and
A
silent partner abroad. Obviously he wasn't going along with that. This was
the summer of 63. At the time of the break with Algiers, she was working
as our correspondent here; (she) was extremely upset. She was holding
£1000 of Verges' money. She didn't know which way to go. Harbi came here
and talked to her. She whole thing fell through. Finally she chose the
Algerians and then they dumped her. And she was forced to repay the
money to Verges that she owed.
And so we then stayed on in Switzerland. We were perfectly content
to stay in Switzerland. Out of the -
Verges wanted to move to Paris. He had little justification for a move
to Paris. He was absolutely delighted when the Swiss expelled us. They
gave us three months to get out. It really wasn't any expulsion. We continued
it (the magazine). The editor and publisher were out of the country.
Andersson had nothing to do with it. It was still being produced by dengin,
Only the English edition was banned. That was to prevent any further
Panguin
ublication (in Switzerland. presumably) A That's why it had to be done
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found value of Renation
it in and are all destuseive this
wheen hape pens up.)
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all
the magazine.
being
It was essentially put together by Europeans, ^The actual editor
Gerard Chalion
Bakliums
works for a professor Benelhart
K.
Το
which he
and she got it from Maspero who now
These are the entire issues that
His
(later than I thought,
were put out by Verges.) EX started 2 Feb. H last issue, 18th May.
I have two copies of these. I'm trying to sell these to the University
Pact as the best wave & Renters mifive-werquill at faut
of California. Don't know what I'll get for this, something between
foll the full ect.
༢
$25 and $50.00% Verges doean't even have this. There are three sets.
Andersson has one, I have two. I'm planning to keep one.
from Algian- tidn't even take a mailing list,
This I got together in Lausanne.
Samer deprated previplanch
xyphentay I got them out of the binder.
Andersson had a file. He distri
I had to take Andersson with me to the binder to get them out. He kept one.
Phon
What I would like to talk to you about
The
Atlantic Monthly article to do.
They want autobiographic atticle,
do.)
I don't d-writing about Revolution,
(is future work passibility.)
Cy: Does this page refer only to the algiers
phase?
Do the / issues refer only to Fresh
ed, only to Eng. ed.
What year ( 2 Feb)
418 May
,
or to both ?
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But what they want is a sort of autobiographical type of article.
I don't mind writing about Revolution.
Here's the problem. Once I write
about-- it's all right for me to write about Revolution. Nobody will object
Lave
about her far I go one way or the other. What I, told you I could put in
1
the public press generally, except for this about the other group, but
in terms of Revolution itself there's no objection. However, if I have to
go any further than that, that means that as far as I'm concerned most of
As it is, )
these people will never touch me with a ten foot pole. That contacts I
Fee.
have, do some are more delicate than others- but I feel that after
this trip they could be built up again, after. somehow finding
some means of interviewning people
relatively regularly. So what I want
had
to ask you is, 39 what sort of ideas-if any, you kam in relation
to me
for future things; were you interested in my going, investigating
anything is further for you or are you satisfied with what little
I know now. As I say, I don't think I know terribly much really, except
✓ from other sources.)
incidental things which might corroborate what you know Secondly,
(in particular)
in terms of following up, if there's anything for instance, I would
the
✓ side of this story from _
suggest, the person to get this Algerian thing would be Georges
the
-
Cyho
Arnault,
French writer who was in Algiers and/worked on the
there
first issue of Revolution Africaine, and after that never spanske vas
Th
never any more
more,
split with Verges
Tho
How works in the Ministry of
(to me))
Information and who remains fairly friendly on a personal basis and
If that's what you're interested in.
who could get me a good deal of information on the Algerian side
again through alert) and the Atlantic Monthly.
Secondly thereis a possibil
that we might both try to cover the Second
Bandung Conference.
Through who?))
Late (?)
ent, the European representative of the Atlantic Monthly, and we
might cover the Second Bandung in Algiers together. That's in June
if it
is going to be held at all." Soviet pressures and other pressures night
Cul
If you're interested in other things, you know, now I have contacts
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for instance - I've got s
That's why I'd like to know, I don't know-what-- really, tixfixazgatra
ά possibility – although it's a very slim one- just over across the street
here. The Indonesian press office needs somebody. 'But I don't know
These are little things.
Pan African Congress- South Africa,
graszxatzkizie the PAC, they
δ
whether A The people of thexstiti
:
I came to see me to know if I could help them a little here in London, in
setting up their offices and handling their press campaign. Of course thes
haven't real money, andseszsess datamme
and
((That wasn't so appealing on that ground))
ilo, that wasn't so appealing on that score. And then also, they don't
have a policy. They're sort of wavering between a policy which means
telling
one thing to the Congress for Cultural Freedom and telling another to
the Chinese in Peking, which any nationalist group has to do, obviously.
It's extremely difficult.
to get any kind of straight answer even.
inside the organization. And they are going through a period of reorganiza-
tion, after some highly scandalous, not political offense, but just plain
misappropriation of funds, the usual thing that happens in many, many
African organizations, it's incredible (laughs). But I think the people
here in London, at least on the surface, are somewhat more honest.
(Basically, you're not interested per se, in staying in the same milisu.
-
مرار .
No, no. But I'm not interested per se, let's sa
say in becoming
sort of professional anti-Communist. That isn't
(Not either way-
revolutionist-
D
either a professional anti-Communist or a professional.
(laughs) No, no.
bankkomft
No. The two careers Frankly, I do
know I feel very bad about safxnx someone
have a feeling, (ou
like Walter Bow; *
I know his problems. Only
I don't know how the hell to solve them and what interests me is to see-
can
again it is always a problem- what the US government do
the people.
will do now that they've got Walter Bow
-
-
what
To a certain
extent I'm certain it was provocation, though Walter was game for anything,
Dr you had
one to him and proposed to shoot the President, he would have
The would have thought about it anyway, and probably
said yeso
would have agreed. he would probably suggest that you'd have to fight
the President and the Supreme Court along with it, you know. And he's not
wild. He's very sensible, moderste boy, except that he has such a
it's not a chip on his shoulder, he's got half of the forest, a redwood on
he comes from
his shoulder. He comes from the paper say
.
Philadelphia; he doesn't,
he comes from Camden, New Jersey. I remember when he was playing jazz as
through this fellow in the Department of Agricultro
a kid. met him
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I told you about,
Poor _ T
Haggard. He was a very good friend of his as well.
"
he must be very nervous, down there in Agricultre,
because he's known me personally, he's known Walter personally,
They'll think he had some very strange friends.
Anyway, I'm certainly - you asked me for some information which
I'm perfectly willing to give you. And if you had come along a long time
ago and asked, in Paris, I probably would have given the same information.
The point was that nobody seemed to want to know. I was talking to an
American newsman-- I vis
sn't running around peddling information,
either but I talked to people, sometimes saying just the opposite of
what Vorges was saying. He never really protested too much about this.
He pretended that what he was doing was fairly on the level but it was
fairly obvious that it wasn't. Anyway, I— what I want to know, if possible,
in a relatively short period of time
ve
up my mind
I'm going to do. I don't know how I'm going to do anything, in fact, om
But I do not intend, even for economic reasons, to do
something which I think is absolutely dishonest, in the sense of writing
100foxmupled
cle, if someone asked me to write an article about Communish
an article, if
attractions for African students in France- in fact the Communist Party
few
has very little
kamfor African students in France. It's just the
FEANF
opposite. The 4 Bay
association
the agenda for African students,
is very resentful of what they consider
and they would only
love to be enticed and wooed. But this American had an idea
which was based on some; on his own mythology actually, of beautiful French
Fren
white girls being sent to lure these simple-minded boys. In actual fact
that's not true at all. I'm perfectly well aware that people have written
articles which bear no relation to reality they think of what the
Sirk
-
bell, they want this sort of thing, they pay for it. The Reader's Digest
et one time was a regular market for that sort of thing.
"
But what's the point. It isn't true and even though it might=^it isn't
man .
even good propaganda, in the long run.
a titillation ax value,
especially the racial thing with sex thrown in-
4 (What about your wife?);
of
Well, my wife, doesn't know - first of all, she knows/only once that
I was seeing you, and she would highly disapprove of it. Not because
antony
wife is a— has ever been a member of any party, (xiacinding
Communist party; it's just that she would feel that that would be highly
and sex?]
[speaking of race
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at all.
the Encounter thing. She doesn't really like it. I hate to
Revolution and all-
She can accept that.
;u);
I don't see any reason not to.
The fact is, the reason we have our financial problem, to a certain extent,
-
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but-
-
because her family is by no means poor/ My brother-in-law, who has
carried us for months,, has to pay rent, right this week, and she has
practically told him we didn't want pay money, so now, there I su; vou
know. This has caused- I respect, I know what her problem is- very
often children that come from resy wealthy homes- sad-her-family--
comes from the poorest branch of her family, which is quite wealthy
in this country. It's an Anglo-Jewish family, has a sort of monopoly on
Sho
kosher food, prepared kosher food here, sort of like a Manischevitz operation-
or racket. One of the relatives is - they're all in business.
for brother, one brother, is constantly having business and failures.
but
He's a very nice fellow, and all, but at one point he made phonographs,
now the last thing, he made tape recorders, a little transistor tape
recorder, but that's just flopped too. The other brother, is a
He
chartered accountant. He has his own firm in the City, which does
:
quite voll.
As Scay
He'# #married.
poorly with
exbuiyingr
him.
She gets along very poorlywith. And while I was away, unfortunately
relations deteriorated to such a point that I
how I'm going to
Comcomm
xx don't know quite
fills divestment of the Trician
She's happy that she's got this job in the Indonesian Embassy. The
only thing she's not happy about is the salary but she likes the job.
It's not serious. The Indonesions spend most of the time telling her
-
find Hin
stories about people (mm
F
I take a job this thing in the Indonesian Embassy
5.
helich wint
Su practically, in a state of war with Indonesia. Although my wife is English
Loc
byon
that doesn't give me an automatic right to stay in England, not that I'm
terribly
to in England. I would much rather
(eager)
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be some place on the Continent. I would much rather, for instance..
Sobviously that's
hurian - E
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take a job with some sort of a
out of the question, I could never get a security clearance, but I think
a job with some sort of international organization-, UN, in Paris, Rome,
or Geneva, which would be for me, information - I'd be quite happy at
that. As for working for an American outfit, I can't see much possibility
either, except this sort of free lance business, which could perhaps
be extended That I would certainly like, but □ is precarious-
25
Ilie k₁) lars)
when you have –kids, and then what I feel pretty solid commitments
here) and then 3000 miles of water in between -
Fakes it anewtainl
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(Lot
me see what I can find out. . soon as I can.
questions and ancvers. Who invited Verges to Algeria in
now
63))
¡He didn't go to Algeria in 63. He went to China. He was already is
He
Algiers. He was in Algiers from the past point of independence, that was
with the clandestine group, that is,
in July of 62. And Værges arrived there - clandestinely that is, ⠀ Ben
Bella, Khider, Bitat, I suppose in October or Noember of 62. He was invited
-
to China in March of 1963.
((How invited?)
The first time he went as the Director of Revolution Africaine and
bement with) jana the heroine of the Algerian War,
and has an enormous amount of publicity in the Chinese press, vas
there had been
given to her. They in fact had a book about her. She was well
known for her part in the Algerian var xndzuka” and in this is how he got
the interview with Mao, as
he was an official Algerian representative, the Director of Publications
N
sponsored by the Political Bureau of the FLX, and, I think it was, The
F..
Committee of (of) Foreign Relations, something like that that handled
the visit.
((When did he marry Djamila)) in pleroced
Nobody knows. Nodody knows whether they are really married.
This
is again one of the things that he loves to keep a mystery. It is rumored,
WIMKEXENEXÌikesxtaxknuHKELIJK£81Jx it has been said by a lot xhurkanÆK of
* people that he has a
marvelous marriageWe know he was converted to Islam. During the war, the
Mazum
the
of
xgxïls Algerian War, he used
used 
A code name/
name 
MANSOUR for his contacts
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within the Front. After he came to Algeria, apparently he became a Moslen.
and became J. M. Verges, Jacques Mansour Verges. Now he becomes Mansour
Verges, then it becomes J. N.
((When he went to China. .)
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(referring to the magazine file)
30
Here is back already. It must be about the 39th of March. It must be,
because he and Djamila and my wife and I and our children left Algeria
on the same plane for Paris when we left Algiers, definitively,
changing planes in Paris for Moscow, and I going a day or so later to Geneva.,
Geneva, Lausanne.
ALS
he
(Sheckin on name) „uges J. M. all the way through. This-mes-only-at-4
This is the last issue, there are sixteen issues here.
jankrukar ke knew that he was under pressure and he tried to protect
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put
himself. He Djamila along with kim
and himself as a
'
recking Not
✓ Humber 1 and 2, to could.
Comité de Direction
protect him from the wrath of Ben Bells but it didn't work.
lid There
How long- we wont say when they got married- ->
It must have happened in the month right after independence. That's
what I think. Ħ You for skathed beer held in prison, in France, She'd
been sentenced to death and he had won her well, he didn't win anything
In the course of this
but he managed to keep her from being executed. He became extremely
close
I don't know if he
life. He has a French
toner. Not only
a sexual
And this is very strange, his sexual
has one, in fact.
wife and the French wife has a child, a boy about
apparently
married to the French wife.
12-14 years old and he still is imppäky
By becoming a Moslem he could take a second wife.
((Did he live with her with Djamila
. In Algeria
Never, really. He had his own place and she lived with her family.
W
When she comes to Paris she stays with him and actually they sleep in the
( So it's more than (platonic.)
same bed. But I dont think that- it's a sort of - a very curious
relation t Heems to
Rest.
ina))
((18 they were married, they were married when they went to China}}
treated
Yes. I don't know about how the Chinese regassed it. They never referme
to her as his wife. But that is done very oftening)
He is very close to her family, her brothers. One is in Caschoslovakia,
the other one was ✡m in Leningrad, I think, going to school. And it was
Verges who arranged for transfers of money. Her uncle is head of the
family. Her father is a terrible alcoholic and skirt chaser who has no
He and his wife had a divorce,
respect from his children; The father came to 4 Paris and Lausanne on●
and caused us a great deal of difficulty (laughing). Anyway, Verges
is
has family connections there. This marriage, that was supposed to have
Nobody knows,
taken place, who saw it I don't know. Even the father doesn't know.
He said "Well, if she's married to him, why doesn't she say it.
Why doesn't she tell even me.
He was never really accepted as a Moslem in Algiers. People thought,
you know, you don't take a man Tetons - a man who is a Communist or
atthew
oven— an ex-Communist, of his kind, he wasn't a member of the Communist
Ясені
་་
Party, and convert him into a Moslem just like that. And yet there are
certain characteristics of his behavior which are very strange to explain.
One would say he did it for expediency, like going along with Ramadan, for
instance, this is by no means pleasant, fasting- And even in Paris,
During
he would fast, whoand
Ramadan, He used to drink xant rather heavily,
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I'm told. He no longer touches any kind of alcohol. And this he does
all the time, whether there are Algerians around or not.
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optics,
And his tex±xxxp8x]
perspective toward-the Algerians. He
talking of going back to Algiers, going to shoot G
was always
Gerard Chaliony
just because Chalion had a double-crossed him with the staff. He
thought, well, since I have these Europeans they won't be able to take
over the magazine, so quickly?://
He's very clever. He surrounds
himself with people who are in a weaker position than he. Kiers,
in other words, a man, Lithin defense.
have to be very strong willed.
_place in Algeria,
-
_ other side,
Tie.
things that took
But Chalion made a deal with the Ben Bella people and kept the entire
staff on.
-and
ris))
((Revolution in Switz˝ or Pa ris
Once he saw that the old charges against him on account of the
مار
(mese
Algerian War would not be that the French Government had forgotten all
karthis, that the Ministry of Justice had no tiukka intention of prosecuting:
celle e
not only him, but Frank Ja
sentence of death. And Jean
(Kubassyr-5) (1
..
Joarson
was sitting there. He was under
- - - - - no one had ever bothered.kk.
He claimed he had contact with somebbgy in
Pompidan's office
He had- well the only person who worked with the magazine was somebody
in the Ministry of Finance who writes under the name of Jalet. He does
the economic section. I forget his real name-- maybe Roget. He handled
articles
Common Market things. That's why his niikauntutiuxtaga) for Revolution
always deal with the Common Market. Maybe he writes one paper for the
Ministry and another for Revolution.
((How long did stay in Switz)-land))
Fredand
He never really stayed in stat all. He just came through there and
stayed a few days, there. And he was traveling on an Algerian diplomatic
passport. He still on has one. I don't know how he went to Japang,
to
because he had been very reluctant to reply to the demand- the request,
for renewal of his ordim ry French passport. It was quite possible to
I don't know whether the
didn't have
have dual nationalisty- French- Algiers.
Algerians (recognize) this. I think that be m
!
had a normal Algierian passport, that he only had a diplomatic one,
which should, I think, have been cancelled once he ceased to have any
thing to do with the government. xixiuixientis-So he didn't want to travel
on it. He wanted to come to London on several occasions but he didn't
dare to try his Algerian passport◄ He could travel around much of
Western Europe with his expired French passport. Most European passports
ara considered valid for five unora ofter the date of arntretton
1.3.
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don't really need it anyway, just an identification-
ther will take an expired passport p
In Common Market countries, _ up to five years.
How he got to Japan I don't know. He may have finally applied for
a French passport. I thought that he still wanted to skakka
?.
maintain the fiction of his Algerian nationality, by not making any
Reunion
issport.
request for Frenchi In Japan he was called the Delegate from the Untou(?)
and no mention was made of Revolution. There has never been, to the
best of my knowledge and the knowledge of Andersson any mention in
whatsoever
of Revolution, and they have mentioned
any Chinese publications of »thEXENE
all sorts of two-bit publications that they have financed lock, stock
and barrel. And yet the Chinese did purchase it. I understand they do
longer
allowedatze had contact
not purchase it any Ms. And according to Andersson who-kadzaizuuk
group
had ceased.
„menima between the Chinese Embassy- and Verges-in Paris-
((then))
*
As of last month.
((when they sumed-ceased purchasing))
According to Andersson. xüszkétat He says he has heard it from
-
other people.He doesn't know from Chinese sources. He did tell the truth (was)
in Berne, I had written a letter to the China Quarterly about the article
Festo
by hunks on Verges, refuting what
Fejto said, Asking what he thought
-
of that. And he replied that they had no objection but they thought it was
about time that somebody ended the fiction... that they thought Revolution
vas extremely embarrassing to then.
list
★ ((How long did the Eng" lang edition stay with Andersson)
The Eng lang edition was produced in Switz for the first year,
entire
was printed
Ganquin in
the first twelve issues, And thuxing
Switzerland on the press of this Mr. Genguin Montreux. And Gonguin -
was introduced to Verges by Andersson. Andersson paid him and so forth.
Båt Andersson didn't have any official connection with Revolution as
h
of Now I think, December, of 63. I went back and forth and Strelkoś
Strelko 
who
did the layout and art work, whe went back and forth to Lausanne and saw
almost every months, once or twice a month, '
Gonguin exery months, from Paris.
But once I left Paris, the
-
Kissel
bank account was closed down
who came in behind Andersson's back and closed the accounts at the
Union des Banques Suisses ·
☐ I mean, shortly thereafter, by Geocell,
((That ended the Swiss production),
No, the Swiss production continued, but Andersson had nothing to do
with it from that point. The twelve issues of that year were printed there.
☐
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He represents nothing.
He's a sort of hopeless person. She's a very
dynamic woman. Verges claimed that she had become a police informer, for
the Algerian police, and that she talked to very opposite groups
and to
occasionally, Shaxsiked to Mamani of the Salava gx party in Algiers.
But she no longer has anything to do with Revolution Africaine.
don't
know what she is going. She wouldn't have anything to do with Verges after
the moment that she refused to go to Lausanne. You see, he-za
((Why))
there
Why did she refuse to go? Well, she couldn't leave Carlos by himself.
God knows what would happen to him. Secondly, she hadnto wanted to be
In the broc
Time in Algiers. She wasn't incrsate interested in running a
magazine in Switzerland, the magazine interest was secondary to her.
There was another Portuguese-speaking person in Algiers. That was
and
Aquino
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a man by the name of Braganza. Braganza is a Goan a/Goan who has lost his
reason for bein with the end of the Portuguese colonial rule in Goa, he
boingwi
'
should have gone back! But he had been a Goan revolutionary
had,
with the Portuguese opposition. For years he ky been in Rabat hooked up to
the, at that time it was the CONCP, Conference tryption Nationaliste
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des Colonius Portuguese, which grouped together the Ellamo what later,
came to be the Falimo and the MPLA. It was part of the hard line countri
There was another one elsewhere which was soft line. Braganza was also
Revolution Africaine hi
sort of adviser to the magazine and questions of India and so on. He stayed
on and worked with Mohammed Harbi and came to London.
2 ((Did he have anything to do with Patricia Mcgowan))
Yes. They had been together in Rabat.
((Did he have anything to do with Carlos))
Yes. It's all the same crowd. But Carlos was waiting for destiny to
call hin and Braganza had already lost his chance. The Indians had got in.
They'd liberated Goa, so what next, you know.Go back to India. He obviously
salam te do
wasn't going to go back .He was living too well, as it was. And in Goa,
nobody knew him in Goa. He was a Goan educated in Portugal. One of these
* people really without a real national identity. He knew that he wasn't
Portuguese and had this feeling of alienation from Portugal, which made
him like most the colonials #students there-- the MPLA really started
in Portugal- made him an oppositionist. He didn't have enough to roots with
the homeland. So he's just sort for floating around. His wife is a school
teacher. He speaks excellent French. He was working for Revolution
Africaine. I don't know if he still is. I'm certain he'll find something
い
to do. He'll never go back to Goa.

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(This points up the need for a continuing revolution, when the revolution
is completed ))
Yes. You don't have jobs unless you're in the government. And that's
never really did much,
a problem, too. In his case, he wasn't even a real revolutionary, just
a bureaucrat in Rabat and other places.
Macgown)
((for did then get invoived with Verges))
know
That I don't know. I don't know how he gaixİEXGENİRES her in
I imagine he met her
་
the beginning, matery in Rabat."
He used to go to Morocco quite often
Nation
and had contact with all the African, the race people there. I suspect
that's were he met her.
So
for
(Haw much more those guys))
Now you've got Harbi. He was
the person who replaced Verges.
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He's out now, but be, oned the, 'I'm told by Andersson, who **TER
au
has his ear to the ground in Algiers as well as in Switzerland, that Harbi
is in a very good position. He is one of the leading advisers to Bea Bella,
represents the Left position. He's a Trotskyist, or a Trotskyist sympathiser
without any formal organizational ties. He is very close to the Pablo
fo He's Pablo, xgka=
That's Nichel
(we could'nt havé overlooked him,
he's a feature of Algiers life. He played an extremely importat role in
(deminine
the agrarian reform, in, the type of agrarian reform that was going to be
carried out. He came down on the Yugoslav model, that is collectives which
The
are privately owned by the collectives and run on profit model, that is in a
profifbasis; waters)
^
des Biens Vacants
Harbiy were all inside of this Bureau donlión
then
which became the Bureau of the Socialist Sector. I once did an article for
སྭེ མཾ ❖!༧
Monthly Review, so I know) all about how it operated. What really
--
་
Ana
happened was that the Europeans fled just before just after Independence,
had
De Renon will
et sather should have, considering what they had done. But they expected
a blood bath. The blood bath never took place. It was an incredible,
That was one of the most incredible things to me in Algeria was that the
Algerians dida't
Because the stories were horrifying. You know what happened. A month or so
(The French)
before, theywere just shooting everybody on the street, trying to provoke
them, and the discipline of the Xxx FLN was incredible. Nobody would
The French an nouj
shoot back, no matter what they did. So they fled and they left all
these farms.
It was a question of ploughing and seeding. There
is only a certain time of year that you have to do this. This had to be
organized and it was organized almost spontaneously locally. AM
This was vort of institutionalized later,
an accomplished
fact. They want some sort of a socialist system of agriculture. They
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didn't know how and the institutionalizing of it was really directed by
these Trotskyists. There was Pablo, Harbi, a French lawyer named Matthieu
from Grenoble who had been involved with the FLN, and he begane sort of
legal adviser of Biens Vacants, which was vaguely under the jurisdiction of
the Ministry of Agriculture which was at that time under Omar Usgan
who is now Minister of State, and Director of Revolution Africains at
present. He replaced Harbi.
an
Harbi is deeply resented by the army elements which are pro-Buy
Egyptian. However, the Army, despite its religious inclination had
its socialist bias and would like to see more centralization, more fon
Egyptian model. In other words, they would like to see much more control
from the center than this confused type of regional or local control.
They feel that in the long run the business of the private collective
ownership is going to cafuse trouble. It's are all right if it is a rich
You are
but what happens if its a poor one? You don't spoit profit, you
split a defici. Obviously, according to the Yugoslav model, the state
intervenes. The State taxes the rich one and then distributes subsidies
One,
1:
to the poor ones, but this a debate that is still going on in Algeria, wat
Cariusly enough these Trotskyists have been incontact, very close contact,
onlypy the delivery of 566
with the Yugoslavs. As you recall, the campaign, the so-called campagne
de labeur, the ploughing, was made possible
Yugoslav tractors which turned out to the great deception of some of the
Ciciliu signorents
a
Algerians not to be Yugeslav but to be American tractors put together
in Yugoslavia under license.
((This is getting us a little bit
far afield))
This is Harbi and this is the group. Harbi represents the leading
within the FLN
spokesmen of this sort of Trotskyist-leaning Left group, and his post is
still very high, even though he is no longer Director.
.
((When
hen was he dropped)
Usgan
more
I think last summer. I'm not certain. With it has become much
the word Socialism appears in Arabic because it
is felt that Socialism in French doesn't have the same meaning as it has
in Arabic. It's very
Bily,
represents the very muddled mind
لم Mard
that Usgan has. He is very much split between his religious (inclinations,
* Usgan is a full member of the Communist party of Algeria but
he left for/patonalist reasons when they refused to support the rebellion,
joined the FLN. His wife is supposed to be fanatically religius
made him more religious than he was. .
and
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((Curious mix-up--this religion and politics.()()
✓ Returning to our first subject, Strelkoff. Is he a practicing Jew?))
No.
(Just
an ethnic Je
Jew))
Robert inthe
btract
Yes.
((Noxt on the list here is Robert Williams), Whoever made this up
calls him an American in Peking.))
But where was beROW
Ho's in Havana., He was in Peking recently and he may still be there,
for that matter. He went on a second trip to the Far East, 44.
was in
one of the countries that had a celebration. I think he was in Hanoi, if
I'm not mistaken. He was in Asia. He may still be there.
Robert Williams is a Negro, former President of the Union County
Horth Carolina branch of the NAACP, who had a hell of a battle on his
hands against the local lux Klan and discovered the the best way to
куклин
deal with the Kyklux Klan was to shoot back at them. And it worked. They
never had seen it,
f that part of the south, anyway, the small
☐ gentlemen's
towns of the South.
tema pants. Up until recently there's been sort of -agreement in
the south that the Negro civil rights groups would go into the big cities,
where they would be reasonably protected. But they had to leave the
much.) Williams )
kukan óf course, was a
there is no doubt,
great embarrassment to everybody, taxxkkaİKİRE
and they were on his back. He got no sympathy from the leadership. T
He first came to
rural areas alone because they couln't expect
NAACP
thioprof_national prominence after a case of obvious injustice where
had_
✓ some local____
a white man done something to a Negro woman and jury had thrown it
th caurte
out He said well if we can't get justice in the courts we'll have to take
i justice in our own hands." Qtvirtint in Uniolian But even the fact that
older, more
Negroes would fight back got the eld=ige
bed conservative Negro
leaders very upset. He was immediately, People remediately
came to his support,
The Trotskylites
particularly the Trotskyits, not the Communists, came in, and tried to
give him
take him over. They did some support. There had been a case before,
With Cashme
another case, locally called the Kissing Gase. Two Negro boys, you may have
heard of it, were sentenced to indefinite terms in prison for having kissed
a six-year-old white girl. He was involved in that and again, it was the
Trotskyites who came to his support,
involvedin
Marx with other Liberal groups.
In terms of organizational support it was the Trotskyites. I heard of him
at the time I was in CBS and I thought that it was very understandable and
sent him a message of support. I met him at the time of the Nitco Conference
in New York in 1959 and when the FPCC was formed he was among the eight
Negroes who were among the 30 founding members, to the great shock of
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of the Communist Party of the United States, which did not particularly
approve of seeing the two issues mixed, Cuba and Em Negroes.
Williams, very volatile, a very determined person on a local level,
has no ability whatsoever on a national level. He has become a symbol
now to Negro youth in particular, as a Negro who is not an Uncle Tom, who
bú
will fight,” We knew that what was coming in the summer of 61,
Obviouslyvas,
perhaps it was before. non obviously was embarrassment, for the
national executive of the NAACP, embarrassment for the Justice Department,
ter
and more than embarrassment Terry Sanford, who was the Governor, and wher
told him, "I wish you were dead. Period." They Finally, by one
of these flukes of fate, there was
(The)
of
13 demonstration over a swimming pool.
They didn't want to integrate the pool. They just wanted to swim in it.
But the local people said they didn't want to do that because they would bragged a
have to change the water, and it would take too much time to change the
water after Negroes swan in the water. they had some demonstrations.
Williams was almost murdered in one of these occasions. The demonstrations
-
"I'
were getting pretty violent. And then King sent in some Freedom Riders who
were going to show them how non-violence xxx was going to work in this
town. They decided to make an example. So Williams said, I'm going to get
out of this. I don't want anything to do with your non-violence. But
you go ahead and I'll see what happens."
Н
even
Well the non-violent demonstration became more violents There were
people shots. There were arrests. There was an English girl who now figures
bere in the British Trotskyist pasty, who was over there. People were coming
There are
\ from all over, reports in the European press.
Williams now had nothing to do with this. No
_ The TUBUT went around -
was just sort of staying there
saying well you see where non-violence gets you-- but there was a report
that they were going to lynch the people who had been arrested. As offen
happens in the this type of thing the Negroes and whites, outside whites
who were involved, really came in for a hill of a beating, and as in the
lien
was more
Philadelphia, Mississippi, case, they have been killed. Williams/
or less a victim of the mobin the Negro community which said "we've got to
do something. We've got to free these people, get them out of jail."
He had arms, including machine guns, which had been purchased ia
New York and seat down there. They didn't use them because they got scared,
put
but 
they had arms. The community was armed. The people, out in the street
in front of his house
Qt
was surrounded and
them up right there.
✓
when a car with a white couple, came down this road,
couple mas
they are told to get out. The crowd wanted to string
EXE
This man came from a neighboring
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They
town, claimed, had lost their way. They said, no you're a member of the
"
Klan in this town. They wanted to kill him, or hold him as hostage.
Williams said, "Bring these people in my house and you know I won't let
them go." He called the Sheriff and said, "Look, I have these people here
and my people are very upset and I want you to know that I don't want
anything ** to happen to our people that you have in the jail." The
Sheriff immediately called the National Guard, State Troopers and what
couldn't hold out very long. Williams escaped. Julian Mayfield
well known
.
Bot. They, C
was there, a
Minnie
"
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Negro writer who now lives in Ghana as a result of this.
a Negro woman from New York who was there
Mallory, was later arrested and convicted and sentenced to
ན་
☐ and the case is on appeal now.
16 years in prison for kidnapping Shextexas. Williams was
spirited across the United States (-I know vaguely where he was, but
(as)
"
he kept very carefully by Cubans and by Negro groups in contact with the
Cubans to Canada, From Canada he was flown by private plane and by
Castro himself, to Havana, where he is now.
On two occasions the FBI came to me asking for information about
Williams, and I damn sure wasn't going to give any, tinbulk of what I
knew. We had tried to get in touch with Bobby Kennedy himself. I had
sent telegrams. I even tried to get a telephone call in. Because I
(ward
know what was going to happen on this thing, to get some kind of Federal
(the most sickening things that I ever saw
intervention.
It was one of those sickening things.
way
They wanted him out of the way. Even then they came to me later—
two of the agents came to the FPCC office in New York. They said, "We have
500 agents. We'll get him. He'll never get away!" Well, he was away at
that point. His aunt died andby in New York around that time.
They went to the funeral parlor where the body was and put a wanted
for Williams,
by
and stood there.
✓ poster on the coffin to see if he would come. Really, they should have
out on
been thrown satzmês their heads, frankly. If it hadn't been Negroes I'm
certain they would never have done that sort of thing. The trouble was
creamboat, the trouble is- the whole attidude. ¿
attitude Anyhow, as it is," Williams is not a Communist, he's not a
Λ
Trotskyite. He's a former Marine, who's just had enough. Really, you
( And he's turned into a world-wide figure
know. And now he has turned into a world-wide figure/because people like
✓ bother to
Bobby Kennedy and others could not just try to see what could be done about
it. It was no use, though. I mean, it's no use now. I'm
I'm certainly yet so much well we can be will
and 
everybody.”
Well, that's too bad. Just like the case of these boys, Walter Bow, and
so on. And they're not the only ones. New for every Walter Bow there
15than
must be at least a hundred. I must say, I would no more want to live in
the States now - you're going to really see something. I don't really
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1
The twells issues were only 200 coples maximum
It was still printed until No. 12, the end-of-the-year. the end of that
first year. The twelve issues were printed there. The twelfth issue was
only 200, or 366 copies maximum. ☑
It was never distributed.
I still have some. Those
are the ones I sold for $10.00 a book. The American libraries are desperate
to complete their sets. It was never distributed because Verges hadn't
paid Gonguin the money that he promised and , while the coples were
arrangement of the financial busins, Federal Council
sitting there waiting for some misz-financial arrangement the Swiss/finally
took action and seized them. Actually the seizure was more "platonic"
anything. I understand
Gonguin had
Tiny
but they just wanted to said you can't send out.
which
-
of every issue,
50 coples, of every incus, “that he had salted away, He knew he could sell
them. I think he could sell them in the States
university libraries, you know,
American Libraries are extremely
political files.
Revolution
became a sort of it was the American press. Revolution had a success,
it came from the American press, not the French press, or the British
The American press. It was really fortuitous
press,
that you can't blame them
唾
but in any pininalists
-
· seeing this move to Paris, a new magazine
vanute its
with a pro-Chinese line which
really was a pro-Chinese line,
coming out at the same time as French recognition of China, So obviously
you write things about a new twentieth century Europe, Verges, the Chinese
( And that was what started it
top man in Europe, and this that and the other. We had three articles,
tuden
I believe, in the Christian Science Monitor, and
even
Cone
of them had the
came in,)
z
the subscriptions
address in. Right matkammiddle then the letters
All sorts of people wanted them.
came in. ÄTERAZZAKEkmarkkaa A subscription agency in the United States
saw it, and and started taking orders from university libraries. TE
copies, I think.
The State Department took 20 onzeptas · ‚– Thexfang:
(2)
There was
sex one airmail subscription for the Embassy
one.
in Tokyo.
The Congress for Cultural Freedom had even more than that. They had a
list of every one of their correspondents, magazinas, etc. Everyone got
* So we were doing well. And he could have, actually, on the English
edition, whichhad a much lower cost than the others, he could have broken
even. He would never have made anything,
Smith)
(however).)
De may printin
But his policy for the French edition,
Λ
and all,
He could never have balanced the budget without a hefty subsidy from
someone.
((Some colleagues on the editorial staff);
The dodgefined editorial staff was gain a fiction. There-v2S-DO
Inaw with
If you've been following Revolution since, You see each month, each
书信部 issua thio
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He's supposed to be from Spain.
Pene lost v referent
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was
because re˜vant s¨to make sure thät¨they have
grows larger. the
AT -
mainly fictitious names, many of them.
He's got Carlos
+2%
This was a name made up by
Chen to replace Valdes. Haldes
人
actually a person; who is a Spanish scientist, chemist, who works for
..
the CNRS, The Centre Nationale de Research Scientifique/ in Paris.
-
He did write the articles on Spain under een's supervision with strong
viriat rewriting. And his real name is Lopez, I saw him, his first
iniitial is S. Martin Valdes is not his real name.
☑
His address ...
Out 21.0
He is the person who he is now wandering about very much at
odds, but he is still very well informed about the Spanish situation. I
think that if approached in the proper fashion, I he might be
'willing to
talk.
(How old ist 2 ))
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In his late thirties. I had no trouble talking with him. He is very
bitter. ((Why)) He was expelled from the Proletario group which he had
...
founded, more or less relegated. He isn't really made up for practical
politics and he matter of pride, etc. but he keeps his hand in. He
said he wanted to go see Grippa, but be didn't have much idea of doing
He is the one
me about what was going on in the Spanish group.
who told
I could have gotten more.
informations
He had no idea that I was
Excmix He seemed to be approachable,
Situation
Spanish sitation. He can lecture for hours.
Not
cisine-like
anything
pumping him for
Killing to talk about the
He is the professorial type,
Keen.
for the rough and tumble of practical politics. He was used by then.
(What caused his rupture with group))
aut
dont know
group called.
I didn't get the exact story. He had Proletario. They put out a four-
of the same rasv,
m
page news letter, & most of which was theory written by Yaldes.
Kien Kan
sa was in contact with the members of
But was rewritten by Chen,
the group and at one time Valdes and his wife were actually told that they
which
a
were going to edit Revolution, Spanish edition, that was going to be publised
in Europe. By the way, the Spanish edition does exist, so I'm told, ia
& get out a spanish
Bogota. They have miduoyed both Verges. It was beaut
by the more committle
a kind of
Fidelista.
a
ovement,
vimiento aos windenting &
Campesinos
and is getting
hinese intardy. I think.
gud which is quite pro-Chinese this
They had quite a scandal
1 about misappropriation of funds. Apparently the Chinese were giving them
fifteen thousand, twenty-five thousand and twenty thousand, and ten
8,000
thousand of it would arrive, and somewhere along the line on the way
0120,000 on the way in Eu
- Hurope would disappear. One of the persons was expelled.
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(What's relationship of Spanish edition ale
كلمة
It has - takes some of the a
Said to have copies in Brussels. I haven't seen. Brussels is used as
European
MOEC
a headquarters for Mestern Europ People going through either to China
coming
or toxxx North Vietnam through there.
(Can they take stuff without
copyright problems? )) Oh, yes, at first Verged wanted them to be identica --
сор
same as Revolution in France, but and they would say, well,-- they wanted
the editorial work done in Paris, which he would finance, and they would
finance all of the production side. "ut he was unable to pay them for
even the editorial thing, so they said they would do all of it
in Colombia.
He would finance and they would finance all of the production, but
*keyxware unable
Meer kw
They had a commercial printer, who was going to front for them in Bogots
on the same format as the English edition, the old English edition; now the
English and the French editi ns are exactly identical. The pocket format.
I don't know what they've done. They didn't expect it to last very
long- sort of a prestige operation.r Expected tjree tjree
3 or 4 issue to get out, before it would be seized, but that was enough
for them. I think what they wanted to do was to establish themselves
on an international plane, even nationally, as the leading left
party
MOEC
They've had a running battle with the Communist Party. They accuse the
CP of having given the names of all their liaison people between the ixx
city and countryside they are running
->
-
a guerrilla campaign in certain areas of the country which
has become quite serious.
FALN
And they do have organizational ties with the
They are by no means a joke.
of Venezuela. / And they are having people trained inNorth Vietnam.
They were supposed to. And in China.
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They have some people in Algeria. They may even have persuaded
the Algerians to train some people. I don't know. But they were trying.
// Actual editorial policy of the magazine-
selected by me.
When I was at magazine, I selected the articles as I chose.
In the English edition, with very few exceptions, almost everything was -
Then there was a hiatus when no French edition. then I was completely
on my own. While there was a French edition, all I had to do was pick out and
translate. Basically it was a translation. *Then there was
Verges strangely has very little concern about what goes into his magazine.
> ((Who now in control))
as it seems
1.90 Lanh Lan, former prof of philos.
Handpan's 
Frite and be
on. His true name is
With Trotskyist groups. Is now
make up the
connections
taught at the bacée, has
even care terribly much.
a Licee in Paris,
suspected by the
French
the people
group in Clichy,
Chinese group on the fringe of the Communist Party of being a Trotskyist
who
agent. Certainly, is a person who has had extremely close ties and maintains
the with Trotskyisax groups, particularly the so-called Lambert-(Groupe Lambert)
(How old) Probably
xks in thirties. Married to French woman, from whom he was separated.
late
A
His route from Vietnam to Algeria. He never went to Algeria. He can'
French but can stay as long as wants- Fr
leave France because has no passport. Has been in Fr 12-15 years.
definitely
ach Viet
Came end of the forties or early fifties, in the forties, after the var.
his
He finished Lycee in France and went to Sorbonne, received doctorate.
apparently.
philosophy, sociology. He is quite brilliant. He went into French Communist
I don't think he was in the CP in Vietnam, but he was connected to communist
party./ In France have organizational structure and also have prominent
their permanent people.
permanent
people. Think he was one of the exter. Was at one time to write a book
"Vietnam depuis Dienbienphu, published by Haspero.
title-
on Platnam, now being translated into English and will be pub in US
within month or so
soft
*Press. This represents the most cogent et line
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that - one could put up for the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam.
This is the soft position. It is not the Chinese position. It's an equal
co-existence one where they don't talke about socialist revolution. They
dnd't even talk about taking power. but coalition, neutralization.
He wrote it'63. Has been updated with a new chapter. He does not still
remain within the Com party. Neither expelled nor did he leave but just came
inactive HC
Tas a member of the economics commission of the party.
Verges when he was in the party was a member estonal, commission
He has much less imagination than Verges, does not have the verve, certainly
none of
(more than anything else. L
not the gambling instinct. He is a hack is very cautious, wants to protect
Ris
situation. For quite some time hata has been going to see Maspero after
Napero's
to thought:
each issue of his mag comes out to say how good it is, etc.,
Revolution na
out it, and it in.
Maspero-told- Andersson. -Andersson told Maspero that "he launched a terrible
campaign-agalast. you.
Kien
Complex-person,- numerous - es.`
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oven proving his good faith by bringing manuscripts that were originally
destined for Revolution. That Verges knew anything about that I seriously
doubt This went on to such an extent that Maspero told Andersson.
•
Andersson said, "why he has launched a terrible campaign against you
ހ.އ.
as a Trotksyite-" Maspero said he didn't believe it, so Andersson
ehowed him & letter that she had written In which he demanded that he sever all ties
with Maspero, and so on.
with Trotskyists.)
He is a complex person. He has numerous ties, With
He printed two articles by xxsixthe British Gemaxxx Trotskyist
British Communist Party, printed in Revolution,
andanym of Joshua Linton, which turned out to be Thomas Kent,
☑written by
name
about the
under the
one of the executive members of the British x Trotsky Socialist
which is an incredible thing. Now he is really considered
Labor League,
!Kier!
by many of these Chinese people to be a Trotskyist, or a Trotsky sympathiser.
…I don't know about it. He does have very curious ties. I don't what he
present relationship is to the Vietnamese though he claimed & that he
had received
letter from Hanoi from a friend who was 11 high position
there who urged him not to do anything that could be considered anti-Soviet.
And they said that really
This was some time before in the spring. / He should be returning home.
But he has no intention of returning.
((Why))
quite used to
He settledvinthel
fest
in the west. He's one of these fellows who
girl
particularly likes running around and having a gent . . says he's gathering
information from one day a girl said I'm not an encyclopedia, will you stop
asking me all these questions?
(His relationship with the Chinese),
New China News Agency
a
He has some contact with the
but it is, very slight/
contact,
_ one of the
He was the one who finally in a state of panic went to the Chi Sab-and
news
Chinese/agency correspondents in Paris and told him of the financial
✓ mands from _ Chinese agency
-
plight of the magazine. And that's when the xxx told him to prepare a
Te
Kunie
budget. Said they would see what they could do.
He told Gestell and Kissel
Castell put his foot down. He said the Verges.
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see))
(Who did he
in his forties
A Mr. Yan. They were at that time Yan and Yang. Yan a heavy set man,
with various groups. of political people.
the senior of the two, had contacts. The Embassy aparently didnt want asy
(because the people in Marseillesand elsewhere used to go to Berne.
,.; A
direct contacts.
They had obviously first made contacts with the hinese in Berne and then they continued
i
them in Berne (after French established relations with chinese) because obviously it wouldn't
look very good to be....
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wgroupe.
and
(Shouldn't be too aggressive too soon, after established in France, that
sort
of thing?)
I don't know. After all, they have reasonably good relations with the
French so I think probably the French will be disappointed that they haven't
them
been able to get more concrete things out of thuxfkinuke, trade
forth.
(The French don't want the Chinese to ~)
too much.
Sabble in French politics. However, everyone knows one.
someone threatened-
-
and so
the things-
that Forges-once-caid,…. No nothing to do with Verges, as a friend
Lou
of mine who works for ABC television in Paris, doobes Chioffi,
talking to someone about Revolution in the French Foreign Ministry he
said- what do you think about this Chiress. He always thought there was
omething about this what do you think about this Chinese magazine put
out here? And he said- I don't know anything about it. Besides if we
( political
wanted to examine subsidies that go into the publications in France ve
would certainly start with the Russians and Humanite and then go on with
financed
་
some of your American/publications. (laughs) And that was the end of that!
do
That may have just been a sort of snide rejoinder. I think that they
intend
tend t
to be discreet, A hat they were very happy about the situation
there. I was in the Chinese Embassy only once. I was invited to a reception.
_ of government
I never saw so many people from the top brackets as at that reception.
Everybody
they had the Legion de'Hosnove,
--
the top structure-of-
R:'
Everywhere you went they had a Legion d'Honneur in
-
structure of _ the civil servicuere there
important industries.
((What's Coffee's loyalty then))
Kian's
-
رشدا
the
The
button. The top
from all the
Chen's loyalty is bad basically to himself. He's interested in Marxism,
He's very academic minded. He really is a pedantic, academic person.
i
And he's got a tremendous number of interests. He is a very hard worker
when he works. It's he who writes and reviites most of the magazine. He
used to write most of the editorials. Verges does very little. He does
not like to write. He doesn't like to be bothered with editorial things.
He likes the promotional aspects of things. He likes to convene meetings
every so often and to discuss things. But as for the actual running of
though
things he
he 
did exercise a Kloser control over the French edition than he
did over the Englishf edition, he never- well once or twice he said put
this in or don't put this in. He printed an article about Algeria which
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n
:
it
was veiled criticism, in the French issue, and he told me not to print that,
for instance, in the English edition, his story being that he didn't wast
to embarrass the Chinese. He said that after all the Chinese were buying C
about _
✓ and this is vasn't their line Algeria and they might be asked
gaying why do you distribute this mazazine,
embarrassing questionsby the Algeriams –
distributor
which has this sort of unfriend fie.
magazines which has this unfriendly article.
((You
mean the Chinese were buying),
•
The Chinese at that time were buying 3000 copies of the English edition.
the French. They didn't seem to mind at the
300 French
300
In actual fact, the Chinese so far as I know never made any comment
about the magazine, or its contents. None whatsoever.
Kur'
((Is Chests willingness to go to Haspero and knock Verges and go th Andersson
and knock Maspero- is this inconsistent with his pedantic Marxism?)
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For him a lot of it is academic. It's not related too much to life,
He loves to have ten
except that he is a plotter, a born conspirer.
people around him and to tell them what to do, how to maneuver. Of course
whatever he tells them generally turns out to be disastrous for them.
For example, the so-called pro-Chinese students inside of the UEC, the
Union des Etudiantes e Comunistes at their congress last year--
let's-sea they've got one coming up he was the one behind who was telling
_ then what to do, their tactics and strategy. They had a terrible catastrophe.
✓ (laughing) In fact the pro-Chinese students represent a negligible faction,
now inside the Communist students, the largest faction being the Italian
(The
faction, which is actually financed by the Italian Communist Party. Struggl
has gone on for years between the French party and the Italian partyr and
it continues there.
Then he had a group of youths called the Drapeau Rouge group. They put out
Who
←
themselves
again a four-page, like a newsletter, which he promised to get money from
Verges to subsidize. Verges had no money, as you know. One single issue
6 came out.
Proletario, with Valdes, managed to keep on because Valdes had his own
(restrup)
sources of income from the Spaniards who belonged to it apparently.
They kicked in quite a lot, a month, you know, to keep it going.
It wasn't too expensive. The main thing is finding a printer who will
print it clandestinely, in France. Because all these things that hav
Cement(?)
Bisectors—Association
:
Under French law you're supposed to have a
who is responsible for it and anything in a foreign language is exempt from
the liberty of press, from freedom of press, in France. The only foreign
languages that you can use are Basque and Breton and I think, Alsatian-
dialect.
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For a magazine addressed to the Spanish workers in France and in Vestern
Europe, the problem was for them to find someone to print it, clandestinely.
And they found someone I think with Simet and Strelkoff.
5 (What about Strelkoff).
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stnet
Let's go down the line. The next one in order would be Castell;
Chastel (P) is the nephew of Joseph Casteli of the French Academy.
((Castolle first name?).
Patrique
Patrick. He is the nephew of a very famous in man and he has worked,
again, for Maspero. All these people worked for Maspero. Verges takes
great pleasure in sort of taking people away from Maspero. He used to boast
about the people that he had gotten away from Maspero. I suppose this
fellow can't do anything for us, so why do you want to get ha?
tantalizing
-
texaus but the idea that he might be able to undercut
he is extremely petty in this sense knji
or
Maspero bring Maspero downxts.
--
and one be built up this grudge against Maspero, because he felt that
to buy, and then when he wanted
Maspero didn't support him 100% when he wanted to buy, and they
16294)
to buy out Maspero, Maspero wasn't interestedxxxx interested in
in a petty way,
combining forces. So from that point on he, did everything possible_±
he-did-
✓ can't do too much now, ·
pixxxdnya_ovqrything possible to draw people away, the play down. He went
-
,
-In
to the Chinese and said Maspero was a Trotskist. The joke of the matter
and who are
was that all of the Trotskyists who had been in this organization, and
Kien
I'm sure they are there, came through Chen. It was Chen who had introduced
really
them to Maspero. And Haspero was the sort of person who couldn't care less
whether the Trotskyites got in as long as there was some sort of free
the sort of
discussion. He's not a committed person anyway; he's a man who isxmun&
Ef sentimentally on the
but outside of any party, and for whom this
thing has become a fairply good business. Those magazines are by no means
fort
expensive. Only sell about 2000 copies per issue, which is all now that
sells
Revolution - it has come down a long way.
Anyway, Chassel was one of Maspen's authors and he worked for
Algeria..
Liberation. He's been to Laos and to the French West Indies, He's a
journalist. He's worked I jthink for France Observateur.
-
He's never been a member of the Communist Party. His main problem is trying
to be bigger one day than his uncle, whom he dislikes intensely but
Revertheless findstory
gets
though he claims
useful, 6 His uncle is very tight with his money,
but in any case he gives him credit-- He says I am Kessel, and they aren't certain
whether it's him or the nephew or son, so they give him credit.
He was the business manager. He knows dann little about business, but be-E2S
- Verges had a great deal of confidence in him and he knew a lot about
money manipulation and so forth.
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Verges tried to divide things up. On two occasions Verges asked kin no
to change some money. In one case he gave him a brief case which contained
"
по
$30,000 to cash, and asked him to go to the bank and change it to French
francs. I went into the bank and said I wanted to change some mosey.
They didn't faint, nor ask any questions either. Then on the second
occasion I think I changed only $2000. It was in cash, in hundred dollar
bills. And the other one was in ten dollar bills. That was the problem,
✓ Key had to count it all. They weren't at all pleased. Where he got the
It was in
money from I don't know. TheƑяaxe used American bills, old bills,”mat
--
wrappers on them had no identification. But he didn't want anyone else
to know. He didn't want & Cassell to know I had changed it.
(You say Cassoll was never in the French Communist Party).)
:
No.
(Why not?))
house de gauche
Kessel
No is without)
intellectual
de gauche
I don't think Cassall ex is a person without even intellectual-
he likes to live well and the party's bureaucratic organization doesn't
attract intellectualsims very long.
Many of them go throught it hut
just that. They go in and out. In fact it's almost- it's very good reference
if you've been in and out of the party.
You've got so many people who
have been in and out of the party that you can go almost anywhere and find
sympathy and jobs and so on. waka
people of that type
(Does Cassell writer?))
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People at Expresse and so on are made up of
•View.
Yes. He has written one or two articles for Revolution, but very little.
The only thing that he used to do was to re-write some of Chen's things¸
Kien
the editorials in particular, after Chea had worked on them, to put them
into really good French. Chen's French sometimes has a tendency to be
very esoteric and baroque.
work))
(No substantive editorial work)
No. He is definitely a lesser figure but he likes his position. He likes
Though
being the sort of front . be with the financial troubles, he was the
one who did suffer nost. Because all the creditors got to him. Verges vas
hiding, didn't come into the office sometimes for days, or would come in
"
delsst
only for a very short period of time, Because he was afraid that people
would want to serve summones and whatnot on him for debt. Cassell was
(TDR)
Casseli was not a member of the company, I thought he vas..
there.
By the way I don't know whether I got that correct, yesterday. That
this thing was 22nd of August-
not 16
was the Bureau No. 6 where the
that was 63.
When they set up the company.”
( Thatle Dunes nn. 61
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Now Sine.
Sinet is listed with Strelkoff as Secretaire de la Redaction,
which sounds like he had something to do with the editorial side of it
but has nothing to do with that. He is of course the partner of Verges,
2000
at least on paper. Whether the thousand francs in his name actually
represent his money I doubt. I think it is probably all Verges'
money. I think that Verges needed at least another person to go into the
He is the lay-out, manx make-up (man), When Verges-went into
the layout, art work, cartoons, He handle photos, too??))
Well, yes,
just send
wo).
They look around to see where the can get them. But as they have
no money now, it's just a matter of begging. They used to buy almost
exclusively from Magnum.
_Magnum has me
couldn't pay them.
that's why they had so many Cartier-Bresson.
窗 except
beautiful photos, as they are expensive. And then they
'ས ཐ', སྶ ཡཾ, བྷིཏྟནོ ཙ
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(Sinet
is French)
His real name is Maurice Sinet. He is French. He is in his thirties.
Martied, rather unhappily; has one child, which his wife claims is not his.
He's more of an anarchist. He was in the French Communist Party but for
a very brief period, I gather. He is very virulent. Before Revolution
came out he put out his own little magazine, cartoon
(had)
& -
magazine called
Sine Massacre which was the most virulent cartoon; I've ever seen.
-
or
2
ptakan
They depicted things like the clergy, love - very, very.
sick type of cartoon, which contrasted greatly from what made him famous,
Sine's eat.
cats,
the Sine cat. He made a fortune with his cat and he also had a tie-in
and others
with some Kixixthings promotional things, Key-chain
That's where of course he made a lot of money. He does a lot of commercial
art work. He sells quite a bit here in England. He does work for British
ad agencies.
evolution?))
my does a man this successful put this much effort into Revolution?)
Because he is-- again, the same sort of thing- he is an emotional
very-such Mincapable of any real organizational (work)-
Postist,
ما
-
So is Verges. I think that no matter what sort of organization, he coulda't
stay (with it) too long. He must be the big bosar of it. He must be
patron
a grand
•
Sinet is more, much more juvenile. He is forever throwing
is of Sea E
bottles of ink you know! His financial success has been seriously endan-
gered by not from Revolution, but fxsaxhunirsex the business of Sinet
Hassacre because the. De Gaulle did not like what she considered
blasphemous cartoons, and so he was arrested for Outrage auwems publique,
outrage a la polředce, outrage au chef d'état - He got out of most of
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them but it cost a lot of money text-it put this thing out of existence
and line de Gaulle said she thinks he is a very nasty man.
(Does he get paid by Revolution or does he supply funds for Revolution))
everyone else
No, he supposedly gets the same thing that everykone
gets-getting 1500 francs a month. Everyone allegedly gets or did receive
1500.* He has an assistant because no can'‹ devote much of his time TO
He's got to earn a living.
it. He has a very expensive establishment. His mother and father, wife'
and child, maintains two cars and has a three story- sort of duplex,
Clichy
Gichin Paris,
bigger than an apartment. It is magnificent, on the Rue Plichie
In order to maintain this he's got to find ways of earning mäkktown a living,
mainly advertising work. He had worked for Express which paid him very
a
well, but he broke with them on/political issue. He likes to eat well,
drink well and run around
after women and this is expensive.
So a lot of
the work, the donkey work, is done by Strelkoff, whose real name is
Alexander Strelkoff.
V
for
The main thing to read in Verges are the editorials. That's the
,
✓ only thing ginsberg (?) cared about. The editorials are very-- towards
-
the end for example, there's the phat phrase "it's better to have for
the future a failure that is luminous, uns chef lumineux, than success
in confusion” whatever that means. This is Verges' line in many things.
point
-
he wanted at
☐ people
They're (editorials) filled with phrases Film-
one point to circle these phrases with a crayon to show that his
line has always been the same.
GINZBERG? - is Pierre VILLON (FCF CC)
real name) comicidence
?
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THIRD SESSION
19 February 1965
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(( You have an acute memory for the last phrase of yesterday.))
I happen to be a journalist.
((You have a very retentive mind. You do very well about these things.
ags.
)
As you get older you forget. Doesn't it frighten you sometimes when
you can't think - of a name- - I'm really beginning to feel bad about
.
-
.■ something ☑I can't remember- I think my God, what's happening.
Strekkoff is Alexander Strelkoff.
He is in his early thirties,
son of Russian immigrant parents in France,
((Born in France?)
France?)
)
Born in France. Speaks Russian fluently. His parents were members of
Bolshevik Party.
f
SOORS
the Communist Party in Russia, / but with Exaxi Trotskyite tendencies.
That's why they had to get out of Russia after the Revolution but he has
EQ Trotskyist leanings at all. In fact because of his parents,
more or less to lean the other way, to be at least verbally, a violent
Stalinist. He is married and has three (children), three by one wife,
has one illegitimate and several others. He is very active sexually.
He is very handsome fellow and has a great deal of success with girls.
doing
He earns his living as a graphic designer. He worked for Hachette ng
layouts for them, until the great Sinet Massacre scandal, when End.
co
---
He and Sinet were the towo car-
de Gaulle finally took umbrage at this.
toonists who put this out, and
((Strelkoff can draw, as well))
__cartoonist,
Yes. In those things I gave you you will see cartoons by Strekkoff.
He is essentially an artist, though noone ever printed his cartoons before
he ran into Sinet because they were considered just too ga = 33.
✓ disgusting for publiation). He is really the acolyte, if you
will, of Sinet. And any success, any money that he has comes to him
through Sinet. He is Sinet's man, and Sinet passes on work to him.
They sort of pass around girls to each other and that sort of thing.
He does, neverkheless, count for a certain amount in the magazine. He did
count, because he was considered-reasonably disinterested. That is,
he wasn't concerned very much about money. He lives very poorly, with
kennist his wife and children, and has made far more sacrifices than
Sinetput he is very loyal, I was going to say, a faithful retainer,
of Sinet's. I think that would sum him up. His loyalty is to Sinet and
not to Verges.
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(What 
are his principal types of contact outside of _)
->)
- -
He doesn't have any contacts outside of _ His contacts are mainly
body to body with girls. In terms of politics, he didn't like the idea
པ་༦
that perhaps Chen was deeply involved with Trotskyism, that sort of thing,
count and
(but that was just" small calibre (?), his scruples in this pol…”. He wanted
to keep it going. He was very zmisum anti-Chinese in the sense that he
didn't think that the magazine should accept any Chinese money if the
Chinese were willing to give it, the reason for this being that he thinks
that should have a frew #hand in the arts, and so forth, jazz and all
this, which of course he and Sinet are very much intrested in.
\((He's a literary liberal, then- ))
-
Yes, in terms of the arts, he would be. He doesn't care much for
abstract art, bat
(But he's not a party liner)
liner))
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+
By no means. A former Communist, but he wasn't expelled. He also just
withdrew.
5.
((If his parents were emigres from Russia, I assume this would have
been in the twenties, op
BE))
They (3/8).
*
Yes, in the twenties, just before he was born. _ because of their
Trotskyist leaning. I suppose they were members of the Trotskyist faction/
of the Sovit Communist party at that time.
((Do you know whether they were expelled or left voluntarily)
I don't know. I think they left voluntarily, but that's just supposition.
I think he mentioned something about it. I think that they really fūžéx
Haigheasants fled ahead of the Soviet police, the Cheka-
-
- he's Jewish,
and maybe some of his relatives / did end up in Soviet concentration
camps. I think he still has some living relatives (in Russia) yes, because
my
he was one of the chef de chantier, construction foreman, in the final
exposition
stages of the French expeétiezxinxlizzo Moscow That was in 61 or 62.
He speaks Russian fluently.
There he met some of his relatives.
((Has he made other trips to the Soviet Union)
I think he has made two trips. One was with the French exposition.
he was there before and I think throughout the exposition, putting it up
and so on. He is very compétent xit as a designer, a little bit lazy —
bat other t
he tries to get other people to do his work for him
if he can, just as Sinet passes it on to him he tries to pass it on to
others. Where money is concerned he is not terribly scrupulous but
Hist
he's not money hungry. His weakness is women. Very much so. He shocked
sannond
the Anderssons. He used to come to Lausanneand he had so many girls
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to meet (?)
mxduffÌ they couldn't keep up (with it).
((Did Sinet bring him to *x*x*x Revolution),
HEXHXX Yes. He was delegated to do the work of the English edition.
Sinet couldn't do it and this was before the French editions was started
in France, so it was Strelkoff who did it. He came to Lausanne for a couple
of days to do the layouts and so on. Then he found someone in Lausanne,
then
major
a Swiss graphic artist, sex commercial-artist, who did the main part of
the work. Strelkoff came to oversee it.
That's about all there is about him. It's not very much, really.
He's not very active politically. His life centers around females, jazz,
night clubs. He would get drunk occasionally. He shares Sinet's tastes
:
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there
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and women.
Keen Wal
De ny
панд
Dennis Phombea
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шнигмам
Now after Chen, Onwall and Sinet and Strelkoff, you have really
reached the end of the dditorial staffx as such. There was an editorial
board which was a fiction. It had names of people like Babu on it. Babu
saw Verges actually twice. He never contributed anything to the magazine
tapidl
"
except one interview which I did with him, in Geneva, when he was at the
Confenture
and
UN office on Trade Development.
((Babu's biographic
details are well enough known but how did he come
to get involved in Revolution in the first place.))
Plembiak
He was suggested by Dania Pombera, Danis-Pombers is now the delegate
from Tanzania to the UN. Pomber is spelled with anh. Phombezhk.
Denis Phombeah is a former student
-
he's a Tanzanian diplomat now,
He is Tanganyikan by birth. He was the secretary of the Committee of
African Organizations here in London for a number of years. This was a
Ghana-subsidized attempt to group together hand unify all of the various
1 national groups. He's married to a girl by the name of Ridioma. She is
African
the task of
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Ilona
-
?
a Jewish girl from London. Her parents also former leftists. But she is
very much anti-Communist. Dennis has very close ties with the British
Communist party. He was a member of their African student committes.
They had a committee headed by a woman named Kay Beauchamp Beecham who
in London
was delegated to sort of watch over the African students and they
didn't have very much success. But Dennis was able to milk them, the
Ghana Government, by getting a subsidy, plus he had direct ties with
the Soviets. He was a graduate student at Moscow University under Professor
Ivan Porta Petekhin (rip)
Potocki, He is now dead, as you know, he was the head of their African
studies department. He was getting his doctorate. I think it was it m
anthhopology, I don't know exactly. But he was one of the very few persons
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getting a doctorate in Moscow while sitting in London, and his wife spent
most of her time writinghis thesis. He would tell her, "now read this
book and tell me what it says" and then "work this into my general thing
He had very little time. He also had some connections with the Chinese
and had been to Peking, when I don't know, and had been invited to go to
1
Peking lastsummer. He managed to keep from getting there. I suppose he
...
felt that if he went he did go to Moscow on several occasions, theoretically
Khin
P's
it was to see Prof. Potemkin That was just before Patents death.
The Zanzibar revolution is a year old, to it was before the Xanzibar
כי
Revolution batman early last year, must-have-been-fxxxxxxk. I saw him
last at Orly Airport when he was *
came through Iguess severt-weeks-later on his way to Moscow. He took
the Air France flight and he had an hour to kill in Paris, and I went out
to the airport and saw him. He gave Rexɛsmaxɲizkurus photos of Zanzibarė
(You had known he was coming))
*
Yes. They told me. This was for the magazine. Some of the photos
The Pretty bad photos.
that later appeared were the photos he brought. They were all one could get.
Then he took the Air France flight to Warsaw and Moscow. When he came
MOR,
back of course, although he was Tanganyikan, Babu knew him and As had strong
confidence in him and ✓ appointed him adviser to the Zanzibar High Com-
mission here in London. The Commissioner, who had been one of the Sultan's
had left. There had been a Civil Servant by the name of Omar, Ouar
this was his main concess
Zoran, who remained. He said he didn't want to lost his pension, revolution
or no revolution. He didn't know much about revolutions. In fact, he was
very touching, because he asked us could we suggest books that he could
read about revolutions. He was a time server. While he was quite useful
as the First Secretary, nevertheless Babu couldn't trust him.
Bombeah.
So Dennis, was put in as a sort of watchdog.
until Babu arrived,
When the Geneva Conference came up, Dennis was there xxxtexBabukxx
enginx as
Baz, the chief de gate, from Zanzibar. In fact, he had everybody
SexsmingaiŅs sitting in as
Zanzibar for a few minutes
There I was sitting there.
delegates, I sat in as a delegate from Ñ.
He said "sit down. I've got to go seat out.
without even knowing it till
Λ
¡ Somebody came up and took my photograph. I assumed that I was either being
photographed by the CIA or by the State Department or the Soviet side
☐
Probably
axx or both.
Did you ever see the product))
invite
No. I assume it was for
consumption. There was an East German
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for press purposes. He wanted to take portraits of all the Africans.
He got their names. He had a tremendous file there.
(laughing) ☐ And he also had a wireshoto machine which worked right out.
of his studio. He did Phombeah and another Kellow while I was there.
Anyway, Phombeah was known to Verges. He may have met him when Verges
IUS
*
was in the IU) International Union of Students, in Prague. He was the
Vice President. There are four vice presidents. Verges was one of them.
As I said, when we were in Algeria, we had this woman Roglynd Ainslie
as our correspondent here. When there came the blow-up- there was
Phombeah-
-
(...))
he know Rosalind Aintlée and was giving her political advice.
In other words, he was muchhigher up in the hierarchy of the British
Communist Party, although theoretically he is not a member of the party.
maintain heint.
That I don't know. H₂" But she certainly accepted what he said?
between
to a great extent. But he was gong with everyone.
So whenshe ceased
!
to workfor us he agreed to work, for £50 a month, but not to have his
named used. He didn't want his name to appear in the magazine. He said
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"however, I'm certain that Baby (this was before the revolution* I'm
certain that Babu will be willing." He sent a city cable to him and
“got a reply which was favorable. Babu then turned up in Paris and London.
He was at the Labor Party congress at Scarborough. On his way back to
Africa from that congress he stopped in Paris and that vas his meeting
with Verges.
then
He told Verges : He said "we will be in power within six to eight
after independence"
weeks zexipampersautex And of course he was. And really that shocked
Verges,
Vers to see somebody who really knew what he would do.
Also Babu- very strange in that he doesn't dress well at all. He looks
very sloppy. Faxkanwezïxxxieruniy
Leau-him next. We both saw him next, amothe UN conference, the
Geneva Conference. He came to Paris with the Omar character who ma is
still here. I saw he was presented to the Queen not too long ago. And
his so-called Chef de Protocol, who just happened to be a boy who could
speak French which was a convenience. He also came with an Italian girl
by the name of Betti; her last name, and I suspect, although I am not
certain, that she is Laura Betti, who is a well-known Italian actress
Passolini in
and the alleged mistress of Pierre Paolo Passalμ the film director, He
vas the man who made Accatonia and just made the Gospel According to St.
k
Matthew which got a big prize and all that. He is a homosexual and so it
is a very strange sort of relationship. She was supposed to be a member
of the
Babur
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the new left split, or not. I tried to get more information about her
in Rome but I couldn't just walk in and say "weren't you the girl I find i
"found in bed with Babu". She speaks English well and she spent a considerable
amount of time in Geneva with him and came to Paris with him.
(SAEW)
Salto? Sales?
He was also with Murray Bélis (phon)
an Australian who spent most of
his time as a mutual funds salesman. × Murray was based in Geneva. I
suspect that he also was supplying girls.
Murry was also in contact with and introduced Babu to a man by
the name of Victor Herbert, who is an American Mutual Funds salesman.
an excentive
He used to be with OIS, Overseas Investment Service, in Geneva, which is
the biggest American overseas fund,
Kornfell
Bernie Rants Cornbale(?).
run by a man by the name of
Exactly what this curious crowd was do'ng
with Babu there in Geneva I don't know: Murray Sales then later
told stories which were not quite true of a man who was going around
the Hotel Intercontinental in Geneva knocking on doors saying t
"are you a Foreign Minister?" "Yes" " Well, I want to invest $ $50,000
in your country. Which country *x*x do you come from." Now Murray
Melvin jasky
✓ Encounter
story is different. He told #fixiex t wwwmevantar that someone
came and said, "I'm from the CIA. Here's a gold watch and I'll give
you $50,000 if you'll work for us." ((who
are
b
you)) Yes, who are you? Bandy.
Despite some of the curious antics I heard of with Cubans, I can't
believe anybody would get that way. And besides, Babu was very amused
by the man who did come. And he didn't get a watch. He told me that he'd
gotten a camera from the West Germans once. They said "don't recognize
Ulbricht and we'll give you this lovely camera."
Extract
Of course they had
already made a deal with East Germany.
Eng
( What was Victor Herbert's rolgin
in 
all this?)
this?))
I suspect that they were trying to invest money, that was all.
The thing which interests me about all of this is that Babu, despite the
fact he is a revolutionary, and a very competent one, I think, he has other
to his fow._
Staring
One, he is very much interested in women. Two, he drinks heavily.
Honey, which is extremely scarce in Zanzibar like most places in the world,
is of great interest to him. He also told us that he had informed
us that
the Chinese that he was going to carry out the coup and the Chinese were
opposed to it. They went ahead anyway.
Thay
.
They thought it was an adventure.
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Naturally, that want for publication
Phombeah brought in Babu. Babu had no real connection with the magazine
except on these two occasions. He gave me an interview which was printed
in the last issue in both issues of Revolution, and that was all.
Then he went off to Indonesia. That's history. The merger bas baing made
between Tanganyika and Zanzibar and it was pakly partially behind his
back although he knew that it was going to go on and he was not at all
opposed. He felt that it was a good thing. We found it difficult to
understand why he felt it was a good thing, but he thought that in
Tanganyŝika the chaos was so great and the lack of defined goals, the
gro
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lack of ability, the capacity to satisfy the gawing needs of the masses
community.
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what-not were an especially vulnerable target group, that Nyerere,
despite all of his humanism and his Catholic religion wouldn't be able
to put up much resistance. I think he was quite right. That's what
happened.
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That is, Zanzibar which is taking over Tanganyik✔ into Tanzania.
There was a struggle between Babu and Hanga, but that seemed to calm down į
to a great extent. I think that's over now. I've heard different things.
I don't know.
Kati
One of the things that this fellow Curtis Cabe of the Atlantic monthly
proposed to do - he has more proposals than he has dollars- unfortunately,
is that we try to go to Zanzibar. No one has
really
even done any (reporting)
☐ of any particular note
I probably could get in. No one/has written anything about Zanzibar, since
the revolution. Don't know whether that is possible or not.
Sanzibar
((There was a great deal of noise at the time of the revolution about
P
Babu's relationship with Keo Living, the NENAman.
لا
Well, yes, it's true he has worked for them. And after he informed
them of what he was going to do, they
that was about two or three days before the revolution. They had given
him a small amount of money, but not much. it wasn't their money
it was rely confucing
the Zanzibar revolution,^ because he was out of the country at the time.
Hoknow
Heknow 
what must be done. But for instance, the bringing in of- the
fellow
--
Okello
-
which was an incredible thing to do.
the former police corporal from Uganda. I have the feeling that
he was by no means all powerful, that it was a coalition of forces,
The revolution ñ. was popular in the sense that the overwhelming majority
island's
of the
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wize
population was represented among far the revolutionaries
who turned against the Arab and Indian populationss
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which had long had a standing grudge against that and saw no way of
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doing away with, but obviously they weren't all as left as Babu.
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made
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mason he was
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made Ambasimam
to keep him out of Tanganyika. He 
was
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going to be here in London, I think he was the High Commissioner in
London, for a very short period of time. And then when the merger came,
it was the Tanganyikan High Commissioner who represented the merged
countries, with Omar Zoran still staying on as the Secretary,
Phombeah going to Som the UN where he had been, in Geneva at one point)
now in New York, Sharif going to Washington
((And
"
vas recently recalled),
Yes. Sharif's position is extremely shaky, but they really disliked
Stay Community
hin greatly, „hat because he is the head of the Sherat they couldn't
strike him down right away. What they wanted to do really was to put him
in a position where he would finally be bought out. They figured that he
would go over to the Western side. One day or the other he would jump.
And that's the way of getting rid of him- without them having to do anything.
That's one reason he was sent to Washington.
while he would. •
i
((so much for Babu. Now onthe Board),
The
Now we have the Mulana Bashani-
They thought that after a
he is a Pakistani. Dennis Rhombeah
was unable to continue his work. He was unable really to do anything.
He was just collecting £60 a month. The reason that he did absolutely
nothing was that the actual work was done by a Pakistani named Hanka
2
Hamza Alavi a former secretary, Third Secretary or something, Of the
2
Pakistan National Bank. He is a Marxist, doubt that he is actually a member
Pakistan
- one of
a
of the Communist party. He comes from/the Ismajli Spct Moslem Sects, and
his family is extremely welnth wealthy and has holdings in, Tanganyika, a
fibre plantation. He also has relatives in Zanzibar. When he was asked by
:
Dennis Phombeah to go to Zanzibar to help straighten out their balance
of payments problems, which he wanted to do, his family told him that if
he did he'd never come back to them, since they had lost some money. Не
5 (raudon School of Economics)
is a great friends of Ralph Milleband of LR here. He is an academic ⚫
He has contacts with Trotskyist groups. His contacts with the British
Communist party are not very good. He is very easy going, a rather soft
personality. He is by no means 100% or even 50% pro-Chinese. In fææti.
particular because he doesn't approve of Chinese support for President
Ayub Kahn. This led to his replacement finally.
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Yes, that's what he told Vergest and me.
-
Naturally, that wanit for publication.
Phombeah brought in Babu. Babu had no real connection with the magazine
except on these two occasions. He gave me an interview which was printed
in the last issue in both issues of Revolution, and that was all.
Then he went off to Indonesia. That's history. The merger was being made
between Tanganyika and Zanzibar and it was partly partially behind his
back although he knew that it was going to go on and he was not at all
opposed. He felt that it was a good thing. We found it difficult to
understand why he felt it was a good thing, but he thought that ✿ in
Tanganyika the chaos was so great and the lack of defined goals, the
Couri
gro
lack of ability, the capacity to satisfy the gawing needs of the masses
community.
there would be such that the Indians gesamaÝSİXXAGNBEEkkigs which had its
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hand on the floor business, and also the big-time fibre plantations and
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what-not were an especially vulnerable target group, that Nyerere,
despite all of his humanism and his Catholic religion wouldn't be able
to put up much resistance. I think he was quite right. That's what
happened.
That is, Zanzibar which is taking over Tanganyik✿ into Tanzania.
There was a struggle between Babu and Hangla, but that seemed to calm down
to a great extent. I think that's over now. I've heard different things.
I don't know.
Kate
One of the things that this fellow Curtis Cabe of the Atlantic monthly
| proposed to do
he has dollars- unfortunately,
་
-
he has more proposals than
is that we try to go to Zanzibar. No one has
really
even done any (reporting)
☐ of any particular note
I probably could get in. No one/has written anything about Zanzibar, since
the revolution. Don't know whether that is possible or not.
Zanzibar
(There was a great deal of noise at the time of the revolution about
Babu's relationship with Kas Liang, the NENAman.
لا
Well, yes, it's true he has worked for them. And after he informed
them of what he was going to do, they
-
that was about two or three days before the revolution. They had given
him a small amount of money, but not much. it wasn't their money
it was surely confusing
the Zanzibar revolution,
because he was out of the country at the time.
the
Heknew what must be done. But for instance, the bringing in of-
fellow -- Okello
-
which was an incredible thing to do.
the former police corporal from Uganda. I have the feeling that
_ he was by no means all powerful, that it was a coalition of forces,
The revolution was popular in the sense that the overwhelming majority
= of the
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will
population res represented among the revolutionaries
who turned against the Arab and Indian f-opulations/
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which had long had a standing grudge against that and saw no way of
doing away with, but obviously they weren't all as left as Babu.
Osman
made
You had for instance Othman Sharif, who may be Ambassador to United States.
Tran
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The main mason he was made Ambassador i uop him out of Tanganyika. He was
Нализа
Clavi
Zanzibar.
going to be here in London, I think he was the High Commissioner in
London, for a very short period of time. And then when the merger came,
it was the Tanganyikan High Commissioner who represented the merged
Dz.
countries, wi
with Omar Zoran still staying on as the Secretary, the
Phombeah going to the UN where he had been, in Geneva at one point)
now in New York, Sharif going to Washington
(And
was recently recalled),
Yes. Sharif's position is extremely shaky, but they really dislikes
Suway Communit
him greatly, but because he is the head of the Sharaeft they couldn't
strike him down right away. What they wanted to do really was to put him
in a position where he would finally be bought out. They figured that he
would go over to the Western side. One day or the other he would jump.
And that's the way of getting rid of him- without them having to do anything.
That's one reason he was sent to Washington.
while he would. .
((So much for Babu. Now onthe Board))
The
Now we have the Mulana Bashani-
-
They thought that after a
he is a Pakistani. Dennis Phombeah
was unable to continue his work. He was unable really to do anything.
He was just collecting £60 a month. The reason that he did absolutely
nothing was that the actual work was done by a Pakistani named Hania Abay
2
Hamsa Alavi a former secretary, Third Secretary or something, of the
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Pakistan National Bank. He is a Marxist, doubt that he is actually a member
Pakistan
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one of
a
5 Crandon School of Economics)
of the Communist party. He comes from/the Ismajli Spct. Moslem Sects, and
his family is extremely welnth wealthy and has holdings in Tanganyika, a
fibre plantation. He also has relatives in Zanzibar. Then he was asked by
Dennis Phombeah to go to Zanzibar to help straighten out their balance
of payments problems, which he wanted to do, his family told him that if
he did he'd never come back to them, since they had lost some
Не
is a great friends of Ralph Milleband of LRE here. He is an academic •
3 has contacts with Trotskyist groups. His contacts with the British
Communist party are not very good. He is very easy going, a rather soft
personality. He is by no means 100% or even 50% pro-Chinese. In izzti-
particular because he doesn't approve of Chinese support for President
Ayub Khan. This led to his replacement finallv.
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Verges wanted somebody from Pakistan on the board.
,
certain that the Mulana Bashani Kahn vill agree".
((That would be Mulana Abdul Hamid Bashani))
He said
"I'm
That's right. He's sometimes called Kahn as a title of respect.
He's a 70 or 80 years-old man. He's called the Red Mullah, sort of like
the Red Dean of Canterbury,
☐ He's the leader of one of the East Pakistan parties. He had seen to China
and was quite pro-Chinese. He was more than willing. But he had absolutely
no contact whatever with the magazine.
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((Did he come in to replace Hanipa Alavi))
Yes.
(agazine))
((How long did Hamja Alavi work with the magazine)-
You would have to check the issues, of the English edition. He vas
there until slightly before we dropped Rosalind Ainslée. That would be
May of 63. right up to gring of 64.
(Did Hamsa Alavi do anything actually) for die
did 
be just
found
He got manuscripts and so on. He actually did the work that Phombeah
never did. * But that was all. And it was sort of contre coeur with him
because he did not agree with the thing. He had the idea that the magazine
sort of
an
vas axcombust open forum, rostrum for ✰ debate
-
-
between
all sorts of revolutionary movements. But when it became very obvious
that Verges wanted # to try, at that time, at least, to
Tewis the state of his
stay with the
Chinese line, it particularly because of this feelings about the
situation in Pakistan and he wasn't happy. Also on the question of India,
felt that the Chinese position vis-a-vis India wasn't just, and he
didn't like the hook-upt, between-Pakistani
growing
the willing
and actual solidarity between Pakistan and China.
<so
friendship
(So he was through amicably. What is the present relationship
betweenAlavi and Verges))
I doubt if he has any at all. He is very active here in London
with Pakistani groups. He has money. His wife's family has money, his
own family has. It wasn't a question of money for him.
hings))
(Has he continued to be active in AfròeAsian things)
He's an academic. Hate The Socialist Register published last year by
- an article on Imperialism by him. He is active around
the London School of Economics. He is known to the academic Left, friends
with the boys who do Left Review and so on. His only practical work would
be working with Pakistani groups for instance during the last election
--
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the Tories ran in several constituencies Pakistani independent candidates
in the hope of breaking the Labor vote, hoping that the Pakistanis would
vote for these Pakistani independents. Hamša worked with the Labor Party
fact.
in those constituencies to counter this; and apparently they were quite
successful. He has very good connections inside the Labor Party . And
he does not have very good ties at all with the Communist Party, though
he is not by any means anti-Communist. He's a skeptic.
((How about Bashani))
He has never done anything. Never heard from him except once when he
xxİɛ said ve could put his name on the board. As far as I know there has
Rever been any contact.
(Do they get paid for this))
No.
Riad
s
Next is Hassan Med.
Economic Commission for Africa, UN economic adviser in Dakar, He has a
very high position inthat. He is Egyptian, a full member of the Egyptian
Communist Party with very very pronounced Trotskyist views. That is, he
feels, he has a theory about the role of bureaucracy in under-developed
countries - the progressive and reactionary bureaucracy- fits into
general Trotskyist theories but applied there. He has done work on
He is Amir. He is an official of the UN
( with headquarters in Dakar
Egypt, state capitalism in Egypt. A book of his published recently by
Edition de Minuit
Victer-M
in Paris, part of which appeared in Revolution. Some
Kein
of it was so obviously Trotskyist that Chea, despite his somewhat partial
agreement with parts of it felt that it was too obvious even to print
-
in Revolution. He only comes through Paris occasionaly. His main interest
in REvolution is getting his things printed. He is very interested in
having his things published. He is very cynical about many of the African
States. His article on Senegal appeared recently in Revolution, in French,
I think in No. 12. It was written under a pseudonym by him and based on
the UN Economic Commission for Africa research stuff that he couldn't
Like Jalet,
say in his official pakkimakkan capacity. (Resedonys) Lajalle, yes.
'
He is not overly pro-Chinese. He feels that the Chinese philosophical
position isn't quite adequate, the idskołoi ideological model isn't
adequate for under undeveloped countries, certainly for Africa.
((Do you know him- How old is he))
Yes I know him. He is in his thirties. About 35. Married. He is Egyptian,
Because these
He is anti-Nasser really. He feels that the Egyptian Communist Party has a
really abdicated any constructive role inside Egypt, even from the
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concentration camps where they were held putting out secret clandestine
tracts supporting Nasser, which was the craziest thing I've ever heard.
-Because
they've been liberated - in fact the old Communists are now
being given very high organizational posts in the new Egyptian Party, ånd
i
奶
very
Communism Markism is extraneous to Arab socialism but they
and
Let's
210/useful peuplé su vai use them in there. And the group that are under
Soviet influence are perfectly willing to go along with this',
2 ((Is he pro-anything in Egypt))
Low of
No, I think that he is sort of resigned to the events of history. He
Ռ
analyzes what he considers state capitalist developments, the rise of a nev
bureaucratic middle class, the officer of ass and he tries to show in his
་
'
¾ writings how the officer class has crushed the old land-owning Vafdist
ruling class which had its links with British and French financial
interests, and has now consolidated itself in power, and there is a
social mobility, but for them only. In other words, how limited it is and
the officer caste certain
but still the
of its functionaries.
problem of the masses remains.
Уловов
he concern himself very much with the
he 
state of
Egypt?)
From an academic point of view only. He's more academic. He's not even
particularly comerned wih revolution. If you want his address .
Now who de ve have- Marcos Ferrer-
•
That's Colombia. I don't know
anything about it. It probably stands for Dr. Leiva Map of the M
E
-BOR) SEMPER
IN Paris. He is a Colombian doctor, the representative in Paris of the
MOC. He is the one who conducted negotiations with Verges for a Spanish
edition in Colombia. I assume Marcos Ferrer var førká) to be a pseudonym.
-Fans Frene
Freddy Ginvalla, next on the list, is a member of the Indin Congress
for South Africa. She was a correspondent of Revolution in Dar es Salaan
and she published a magazine called Spearheads until she was expalled from
Tanganyika
yika under a cloud and accused of being a Western spy. The accusations
were not made openly. She was known to have contacts with the Festern
Yest German Embassy. She received West German money from the Carl Ebert
Foundation and actually printed West German propaganda in the her magazine.
She had gone to West Germany and done this so obviously that Siriont
(open)
x
she couldn't have been very sophisticated about it because it was just too
She was accused of having told the Soviet Embassy of having offered
to carry information for the Soviet Embassy, volunteering as a Communia
a South African Communist, to give them information, two-thirds of which
turned out to be totally useless and false, which again might have Haryan
ingratiate herself.
The worke She was here in London after she waAR

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expelled, I'm not certain of the exact dates. She was also known to have
· slept around with almost every Minister of the Tanganyikan government
including Julius Nyerere. This is one of the reasons why there was so much
hushhush about her, that she had obviously gotten a lot of information out
K
of these fellows. She was very close to Oscar Cambona and she claimed that
Oscar ambona was going to get her back into the Foreign Ministry.
Kambona
She was just Revolution's correspondent there. She did practically
nothing. When she got out, she managed to keep her little office going.
They didn't seize anything, and she turned over themailing list of her
Spearhead
for a
^ magazine to Revolution. Verges had paid her £1000 a deposit some she
could do some work but she rea
really didn't do anything, but she, unlike
Rosalind
Ainslie, turned over the unspent portion of that to Verges when
she came to London.and she wasn't interested really in
In 
continuing her
work with Revolution. Being Indian of course posed a problem with
Indian community, As
for her with anything to do with the Chinese. She was very close to the
anyone who looks through that mailing list will see
its,
ES
we have lots of missionary' Indian businessuses, and so forth in East
Africa, who were taking subscriptions to the magazine more or less out
of friendship and solidarity with another Indian. They didn't caremuch
1
whether she was a Communist or not.
1
She was supposed to have been the mistress of Dr. Dadu. At least
they say she slept with Dr. Dadu and they had a very close relationships
to him. Dr. Dadu
is the president of the Indian Congress for
South Africa and a member of the Communist Party / of South Africa,
Tu
Cannuzity
a very important members. Because I'm the futung have holdings
the Indian communist has holdings up and down East Africa, Mozambique
as well, their role in the liberation struggle is very equivocal .
Obviously the Africans want to go ahead while the Insinds Indians are think—
menaced them. ie
voll- Africanization meant to the
ing
-
جملة
صدة ا
Indianss
The English used them as a sort of buffer,, preferred to bring an Indian
clerk to East Africa rather than to train an African. That was a typical
colonial maneuver but now it has put the Indians in a situation historically
which is untenable, for a long period. You know people talk about multi- .
racial states but in East Africa it is a joke. It won't hold up. I don't
think it will, anyway.
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✓ The Indian Congress of South Africa is related to the African National
and to
=
Congress, the Solored people's congress, all of this in a so-called
-
Congress Alliance. She had contacts with the African- the ANR people.
T The ANC people here in London. They were suspicious of her, as well.
-
But she managed somehow to get back in, she was ill, she was in
hospital She was hurtin an auto accident, and she had to have a very
complicated bone operation. That put her out of action for some time.
I don't know, but I heard that she is now back in Tanganyika.
She may well be.
Of course the Indians do have money. She did very little for the magazine.
She occasionally told me about people in the ANC who might do something
for the magazine. But most of the people she told me abut vere members
of the South African Communist Party. That party has taken a pro-Moscow
stand and most of its people don't want to do anything for Revolution,
though we did have articles by Bryan Bunke another South African Communist.
That was before their party took their stand on the Sino-Soviet conflict.
And there is a struggle going on right now inside of the ANC.
That's a long complicated thing. That has nothing to do with Revolutin.
(On my list here we have Diallo))
She has quite a bit of money; her family has money.
-
Diallo is an adviser of the President of Mali- whi
Frembea
Modewą
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Keida...
a
✓ Harried to a French woman, Leftist, he knows Verges through friendship
and offered to help. He put him in contact with
who is Minister of Information, who is very, very pro-Chinese,
(In Mali)
over to
next
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Yes. When Chou en Lai visited Mali, you recall, that he got quite
committed. There were some gratuitous, open handed #laps
Ⓒ This is again one of Vergen-attempts to hav
_country.
nothing very much. He just knew him.
In another African
(Verges)
Λ
I didn't mention, with Phompbeah, one of the reasons that he kept
's connection with Odinga, ✓ in Kenya.
Chombe:
phombeah 
was pho
Bhombeah's
Phombeah at one time had hoped to be made the secretary of this now
Lumumba Institute there, in Nairobi. Verges, odd as it may seen, had at
one time, proposed himself as a sort of security adviser to Odinga.
We felt that he continued to pay Dennis Phombeah for doing nothing
mainly to keep a line of communication open to Odinga. He had met Odinga
but got nowhere with him. In Algiers he was
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✓ President of Mall,
Keita. XXXX Married to a French woman. Leftist.
Be knows Verges through friendship and offered to help. He put him
kQxbqlPxxRWk in contact with
16 man by the nam
e-of Mogotago (?)
who is Minister of Information, who is very very pro-Chinesey Mall.
And when Chou en Lai visited Hall you recall that he got quite a committed
welcome in Mali. And there were some gratuitous open-handed slaps
the Russians made. Didn't have to be made but were.
(How did Verges and Diallo get together))
I don't know. He had known him for a considerable time. There
is nothing very much. This is again one of Verges's attempts to have a
finger in another African country. One of the reasons that he kept
Phombeah was Phoabeah's connection with Odinga.
7 visit from paling
as he
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the Ro
If in Algiers he was referred to as Le Chinois, I don't think Oding
would accept him.
This is a real problem. He says, "vell, ve colored people and so forth"
and it is true that he is part
Africans to accept that.
-
he's Eurasian, but it is very hard for
They just put him down as
Demba
Chinese.
(64),
I don't know very much about Gama Diallo. He played very little role
in the Magazine except that he was a contact inside of Mali . He came to
France early last year, the spring of last year with his wife. He vent
to Vichy for his health and drank the waters for two or three weeks/
Ken
and he saw Verges. Verges had ideas, had mentioned to Chen that if he
kein
couldn't keep the magazine gong that he might go to Mali. ☐ Chen was
wes)
going to be sent off to wherever, Viriato da Cruz of the Angolan Federation
of Liberation, as adviser, and I was going to be sent to Indonesia for
the Afro-Asian gax Journalists. That was how he was going to take care
of everybody.
(How about Castro Da Silva)
Castro Da Silva is the pseudonym used for Viriato da Cruz, formerly
of the MPLA, and now of the UPA¼. He is a poet, again, late thirties,
A
married, has a child and is based are or lessin Algiers. He has virtually
no money at all. He has a small group which went into the UPA.
Holden Roberto, the head of the UPA is very suspicious of him, but
nevertheless he needs him. He needs the Left. He has been to China &
and this give him a sort of, ✰ gives the Chinese a guarantee, but on the
other hand the Chinese didn't even want to give Viriato money to transfer
,,,
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himself from Algiers to Brazzaville. And he was threatened by the MPLA
people, who are of course Soviet backed to the hilt, in fact more
Dr. Neto, appartally more than ever now. And the Algésians, Ben Bella,
who had supported the MPLA up until the great fiasco when people discovered
that they didn't have what they claimed to have¯-
- Sant Ravelle segling powers.
given their support to the UPA. Nevertheless, the MPLA people still
remain and they are promising to reform and really carry out things.
ideologically
I think that logically the MPLA is much more congenial to the Algerians
and to
all of the _
hard revolutionary line, people.
Holden Roberto is considered to be an American agent pure and simple
and always has been. In actual fact, he received a lot of money through
missionry groups.
various Protestant missionary groups, American Protestant missionries,
mahe himself is a Christian Protestant. These tie-ups have helped the
He did go off to China, made some ra
Rightists to back him.
LTTacA ཡཾ ཨ ཛི,
"Which the Chinese were pleased with.
The Chinese haven't made any real decisive choice between the MPLA and the
UPA.
They're just waiting to see who is going to be able to produce.
((What about da Cruz): What is his function))
He has no function except to write articles about Angola, which he
has done, one of which he signed with his own name. He has very little
money and he hoped that Verges would be able to smooth the way with the
☐ I understand,
Chinese, but alas! poor fellow, he learnt to his horror, that Verges
presumed
was by no means the Chinese agent that he semengdeed him to be. I understand
that he has virtually retired from politics.
He is a poet. And he'd much
rather be a poet than anything else. He told me on several oecasions want
really
in Paris when he came to my house there for dinner that he wished he could
fut
get out of the whole thing, what was he going to do, he didn't have a
passport, he had a tire all these people sort of pushing him in
into this. He didn't have any money. He didn't know what to do.
(He lives in Paris))
((HO
The
No, he lives in Algiers. He is still in Algiers to best of my knowledge,
He is one of the people in Algiers I would see. If I were to go to
Algiers I would xauxkux look him up. He's not terribly dynamic but
events xex*x* threw him up into a leading position and he sort of stuck
there and doesn't know how to get out. The Chinese Haven't given him
the all-out support that he had hoped for
((Neither have they turned him down))
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((Amilcar Cabrera))
That was a name used, not a pseudonym, a false name. It doesn't represont
anyone, it represents the FALN?, of Venezuela in Europe. They have a
bureau in France. I didn't really know them. I knew there were several
Some of
people. One of them, a graphic artist,/ whose drawings
"
beke vere
printed in Revolution. They brought the things to him. They are authentic.
Because when Verges had a young French boy traveling through Latin America
he went to Venezuela. They got him into the guerillas. They got him all
around. We had some very authentic flat-hanú reports. So whoever they
are they are authentic. They were very, very cautious, probably suspicious
of me because I was an American, so I never had any real ERRESMakina-
conversation with them.
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No.
was)
you known anything about who Verges's link to then was
you know if he still has them)
that
I know this, ^ They asked him to remove the name Amilcar Cabrera
and it has been removed, because it was identified with them.
then
put in a note in the twelfth French edition that in the future he would
receive an article from the information department of the FALN. They'd
be foolish not to send material, but they didn't want to be identified
with the editorial policy of the magazine. This many reflect verious
tendencies inside of the FALN which I have read about. I don't know any-
Singales
thing, first-hand that they split between a hard line, those who want
guerrilla
to continue the realy struggle and the sabotage struggle and those who want
bulunashil meil
to look for possible negotiated solutions. one group that dea little
more pro-Chinese.
مورانم کرد
In any case these people did represent the FALN, There is no doubt
about it. I didn't know any of them. They never had any dealings with no.
((Patricia Migowan))
I know very little about her. She did this book on Portugal. She was
connected with the
British
she has ties with the British Communist Party but
also with Trotskyists. She was the one who found Rosalind: Ainslée
to work here in London for the magazine. She is the mistress of a maa
named Carlos
(1) (Lanca?))
I'm not certain. That might be it. He is a European born in Mazambique, a
Portuguese, who has beenkept going by various African movements for years
because he represents (laughing)
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(laughing) for kan, jint conference
n
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đarbé what the French call an interlocateur, when they want to call him out
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He represents nothing.
He's a sort of hopeless person. She's a very
8
dynamic woman. Verges claimed that she had become a police informer, for
she talked to very opposite groups
the Algerian police, and that
and to
occasionally, Shaxisiked to Mamani of the Salava gräx party in Algiers,
But she no longer has anything to do with Revolution Africaine. I don't
T
know what she is going. She wouldn't have anything to do with Verges after
the moment that she refused to go to Lausanne. You see,
((why))
there
Why did she refuse to go? Well, she couldn't leave Carlos by himself.
God knows what would happen to him. Secondly, she hadnto wanted to be
In the rock
all the time in Algiers. She wasnt incrante interested in running a
magazine in Switzerland, the magazinei
magazine/
interest was secondary to her.
Aquino
There was another Portuguese-speaking person in Algiers. That was
and
a man by the name of Braganza. Braganza is a Goan a Goan who has lost hia
reason for beingwith the end of the Portuguese colonial rule in Goa, he
should have gone back! But he had been a Goan revolutionary
had,
with the Portuguese opposition. For years he has been in Rabat hooked up to
Nationaliste
the, at that time it was the CONCP, Conference t
to Byprythin
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des Colonius Portuguese, which grouped together the Ellemo what later,
came to be the Falimo and the MPLA. It was part of the hard line countri
There was another one elsewhere which was soft line. Braganza was also
Revolution Africaine
sort of adviser to the magazine and questions of India and so on. He stayed
on and worked with Mohammed Harbi and came to London.
2 ((Did
he have anything to do with Patticia Macgowan)
Yes. They had been together in Rabat.
((Did he have anything to do with Carlos))
Yes. It's all the same crowd. But Carlos was waiting for destiny to
call him and Braganza had already lost his chance. The Indians had got in,
They'd liberated Goa, so what next, you know.Go back to India. He obviously
itsal was be prior to to
•
wasn't going to go back .He was living too well, as it was. And in Goa,
nobody knew him in Goa. He was a Goan educated in Portugal. One of these
people really without a real national identity. He knew that he wasn't
Portuguese and had this feeling of alienation from Portugal, which made
him like most t of the colonials students there-- the MPLA really started
in Portugal- made him an oppositionist. He didn't have enough to roots with
the homeland. So he's just sort for floating around. His wife is a school
teacher. He speaks excellent French. He was working for Revolution
Africaine. I don't know if he still is. I'm certain he'll find something.
to do. He'll never go back to Goa.
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Harbi
12:00
((This points up the need for a continuing revolution, when the revolution
is completed ))
Yes. You don't have jobs unless you're in the government. And that's
never really did much, ha
a problem, too. In his case, he wasn't even a real revolutionary, just
a bureaucrat in Rabat and other places.
((for did
Ancgowa
get invoived with Verges))
know
That I don't know. I don't know how he gaixinxesntasäät her in
I imagine he met her
་
the beginning, untung in Rabat.
He used to go to Morocco quite often
and had contact with all the African, be-race people there. I suspect
that's were he met her.
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for
guys))
(Hex much Has those guy
Now you've got Harbi. He was time the person who replaced Verges.
He's out now, but be, weathe, I'm told by Andersson, who ixxmms
has his ear to the ground in Algiers as well as in Switzerland, "that Harbi
Call
is, in a very good position. He is one of the leading advisers to Ben Bella,
represents the Left position. He's a Trotskyist, or a Trotskyist sympathiser
without any formal organizational ties. He is very close to the Pablo
(ayy).
That's Michel Ritter's He's Pablo, we could'nt havé overlooked him,
·
he's a feature of Algiers life. He played an extremely importat role in
(determining
the agrarian reform, in, the type of agrarian reform that was going to be
carried out. He came down on the Yugoslav model, that is collectives which
The
are privately owned by the collectives and run on profit model, that is ina
profit
fit basis.
and testes)
des Biens Vacants
Harbi were all inside of this Bureau domnien
then
which became the Bureau of the Socialist Sector. I once did an article for
Monthly Review, so I know) all about how it operated. What really
happened was that the Europeans fled just before just after Independence,
Denon will y
And
had
ot rather should have, considering what they had done. But they expected
a blood bath. The blood bath never took place. It was an incredible,
That was one of the most incredible things to me in Algeria was that the
Algerians dida't
-
Because the stories were horrifying. You know what happened. A month or so
(The Fench)
before, theywere just shooting everybody on the street, trying to provoke
them, and the discipline of the xx FLN was incredible. Nobody would
Then y
shoot back, no matter what they did. So they fled and they left all
these farms.
6.
It was a question of ploughing and seeding. There
is only a certain time of year that you have to do this. This had to be
organized and it was organized almost spontaneously locally.
This was vort of institutionalized later,
an accomplished
---
fact. They want some sort of a cantallet nunt
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didn't know how and the institutionalizing of it was really directed by
these Trotskyists. There was Pablo, Harbi, a French lawyer named Matthieu
from Grenoble who had been involved with the FLN, and he, begame sort of
legal adviser of Biens Vacants, which was vaguely under the jurisdiction of
the Ministry of Agriculture which was at that time under Omar Usgan
who is now Minister of State, and Director of Revolution Africaire at
present. He replaced Harbi.
-
Harbi is deeply resented by the army elements which are pro-y
Egyptian. However, the Army, despite its religious inclination had
its socialist bias and would like to see more centralization, moreson an
Egyptian model. In other words, they would like to see much more control
from the center than this confused type of regional or local control.
They feel that in the long run the business of the private collective
ownership is going to caдuse trouble.It's alre all right if it is a rich
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one, but what happens if/s a poor one! You don't spoit profit, you
split a deficis. Obviously, according to the Yugoslav model, the state
intervenes. The State taxes the rich one and then distributes subsidies
to the poor ones, but this a debate that is still going on in Algeria, “mad
a
"
Cariusly enough these Trotskyists have been incontact, very close contact,
with the Yugoslavs. As you recall, the campaign, the so-called campagne
de labeur, the ploughing, was made possible onlypy the delivery of 566
a
(Dicilia signorent;
Yugoslav tractors which turned out to the great deception, of some of the
Algerians not to be Yugeslav but to be American tractors put together
in Yugoslavia under license.
((This
is getting us a little bit far afield)
This is Harbi and this is the group. Harbi represents the leading
within the FLN
spokesmen of this sort of Trotskyist-leaning Left group and his post is
still very high, even though he is no longer Director.
more
((When was he dropped)
Usgan
I think last summer. I'm not certain. With Hume it has become much
the word Socialism appears in Arabic because it
is felt that Socialism in French doesn't have the same meaning as it has
in Arabic. It's very portal sily,
represents the very muddled mind
(and positions
that Usgan has. He is very much split between his religious inclinations,
am2 Usgan is a full member of the Communist party of Algeria but
,
he left forpatonalist
ist 
reasons when they refused to support the rebellion, and
joined the FLN. His wife is supposed to be fanatically religius and has
*made him more religious than he was. .
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((Curious mix-up--this religion and politics.).
✓ Returning to our first subject, Strelkoff. Is he a practicing Jew?))
No.
(Just
Just an ethnic Jew))
Yes.
((Next on the list here is Robert Williams), Whoever made this up
calls him an American in Peking.))
But where was be-now-
He's in Havana., He was in Peking recently and he may still be there,
=
for that matter. He went on a second trip to the Far East, 44.
was in
one of the countries that had a celebration. I think he was in Hanoi, if
I'm not mistaken. He was in Asia. He may still be there.
Robert Williams is a Negro, former President of the Union County
North Carolina branch of the NAACP, who had a hell of a battle on his
hands against the local Kukluɛ Klan and discovered the the best way to
deal with the KyKlux Klan was to shoot back at them. And it worked. They
on that part of the south, anyway, the small
never had seen it,
**
HK gentlemen's
towns of the South.
temprats. Up until recently there's been sort of gent agreement in
the south that the Negro civil rights groups would go into the big cities,
where they would be reasonably protected. But they had to leave the
much.) Williams)
Asem óf course, was a
there is no doubt,
great embarrassment to everybody, taxxths
and they were on his back. He got no sympathy from the leadership. T
He first came to
rural areas alone because they couln't expect
NAACP
Ligneshiapeof national prominence after a case of obvious injustice where
✓ some local
had_
a white man done something to a Negro woman and jury had thrown it
caurte
out He said well if we can't get justice in the courts we'll have to take
(ericans
! justice in our own hands."tuie un tristian
abitat
older, more
Negroes would fight back got the eldzk
leaders
But even the fact that
the conservative Negro
izemisiaiety
very upset. He was immediately, People? came to his support,
The Trotsky Kites
particularly the Trotskyits, not the Communists, came in, and tried to
give him
take him over. They did some support. There had been a case before,
wwwith
another case, locally called the Kissing ease. Two Negro boys, you may have
heard of it, were sentenced to indefinite terms in prison for having kissed
a six-year-old white girl. He was involved in that and again, it was the
Trotskyites who came to his support,
with other Liberal
groups.
In terms of organizational support it was the Trotskyites. I heard of him
at the time I was in CBS and I thought that it was very understandable and
sent him a message of support. I met him at the time of the Naacp Conference
in New York in 1959 and when the FPCC was formed he was among the eight
Negroes who were among the 30 founding members, to the great shock of
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of the Communist Party of the United States, which did not particularly
approve of seeing the two issues mixed, Cuba and Em Negroes.
Williams, very volatile, a very determined person on a local level,
has no ability whatsoever on a national level. He has become a symbol
now to Negro youth in particular, as a Negro who is not an Uncle Tom, who
ba
will fight, We knew it what was coming in the summer of 61,
perhaps it was before. . no am obviousl
Obviouslyvas embarrassment, for the
national executive of the NAACP, embarrassment for the Justice Department,
for
and more than embarrassment, Terry Sanford, who was the Governor, and wher
told him, "I wish you were dead. Period." They Finally, by one
ustration over a swimming pool.
of these flukes of fate, there was 2/ demonstration
(The legne)
The didn't want to integrate the pool. They just wanted to swim in it.
But the local people said they didn't want to do that because they would
have to change the water, and it would take too much time to change the
water after Negroes swam in the water. So they had some demonstrations.
Villiams was almost murdered (Rm one of these occasions. The demonstrations
***
were getting pretty violent. And Then King sent in some Freedom Riders who
were going to show them how non-violence sex was going to work in this
"I'm
town. They decided to make an example. So Williams said, 
I'm 
going to get
out of this. I don't want anything to do with your non-violence. But
you go ahead and I'll see what happens."
( even
Well the non-violent demonstration became more violent♣ There were
people shots. There were arrests. There was an English girl who now figures
here in the British Trotskyist pasty, who was over there. People were coming
There are
\ from all over, reports in the European press. The rumor went around- -
Williams now had nothing to do with this. He was just sort of staying there
n
saying well you see where non-violence gets you-- but there was a report
that they were going to lynch the people who had been arrested. As offen
happens in this type of thing the Negroes and whites, outside whites
who were involved, really came in for a hill of a beating, and as in the
Even
was more
Philadelphia, Mississippi, case, they have been killed. Williams/
or less a victim of the mobi the Negro community which said "we've got to
do something. We've got to free these people y get them out of jail."
He had arms, including
machine guns, which had been purchased in
New York and seat down there. They didn't use them because they got scared,
But they had arms. The community was armed. The people out in the street
put
MILLIC
in front of his house, when a car with a white couple, came down this road,
couple mas
Qt
was surrounded and they were told to get out. The crowd wanted to string
them up right there. ±±xxxaxz‡anxetxinux This man came from a neighboring

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town,
"
• claimed, had losṭtheir vay. They said, no you're a member of the
Klan in this town. They wanted to kill him, or hold him as hostage.
Williams said, "Bring these people in my house and you know I won't let
them go." He called the Sheriff and said, "Look, I have these people here
and my people are very upset and I want you to know that I don't want
anything # to happen to our people that you have in the jail." The
Sheriff immediately called the National Guard, State Troopers and what
not. They couldn't hold out very long. Williams escaped. Julian Mayfield
well known
vas there," a Negro writer who now lives in Ghana as a result of this.
Minnie
a Negro woman from New York who was there
Hub Mallory,
"
"
was later arrested and convicted and sentenced to
(and the case is on appeal now.
16 years in prison for kidnapping/ Shextexxxl. Williams vas
spirited across the United States (-I knew vaguely where he was, but
"
be kept very carefully by Cubans and by Negro groups in contact with the
Cubans, to Canada, From Canada he was flown by private plane and by (dry).
S
Castro himself, to Havana, where he is now.
On two occasions the FBI came to me asking for information about
Williams, and I damn sure wasn't going to give any, in of what I
knew. We had tried to get in touch with Bobby Kennedy himself. I had
sent telegrams. I even tried to get a telephone call in. Because I
knew what was going to happen on this thing, to get some kind of Federal
(the most sickening things that I ever saw
intervention. — It was one of those sickening things the
They wanted him out of the way. Even the they came to me later—
"
two of the agents came to the FPCC office in New York. They said, "We have
500 agents. We'll get him. He'll never get away." Well, he was away at
that point. His aunt died and in New York around that time.
They went to the funeral parlor where the body was and put a wanted &
for Williams,
and stood there.
by
poster on
on 
the coffin- to see if he would come. Really, they should have
-
out on
i
".
been thrown stands their heads, frankly. If it hadn't been Negroes I'm
certain they would never have done that sort of thing. The trouble was-
evonatbat, the trouble is- the whole attiêude. ¿
attitude Anyhow, as it is, Williams is not a Communist, he's not a
Trotskyite. He's a former Marine, who's just had enough. Really, you
✓ and he's turned into a world-wide figure
know. And now he has turned into a world-wide figure/because people like
( bother to
-
Bobby Kennedy and others could not just try to see what could be done about
it. It was no use, though. I mean, it's no use now. Hakup.
I'm certainly My have got some injuce nell we can't father with
and everybody."
of Foll, that's too bad. Just like the case of these boys, Walter Bow, and
-
so on. And they're not the only ones. *, for every Walter Bow there
Igikus
must be at least a hundred. I must say, I would no more want to live in
the States now - you're going to really see someting. I don't really
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Youfxxx
Verges wanted somebody from Pakistan on the board.
certain that the Mulana Bashani Kahn will agree”.
((That would be Mulana Abdul Hamid Bashani))
(شعله)
Не
He said
"I's
That's right. He's sometimes called Kahn as a title of respect.
He's a 70 or 80 years old man. He's called the Red Mullah, sort of like
the Red Dean of Canterbury.-
☐ He's the leader of one of the East Pakistan parties. He had een to China
and was quite pro-Chinese. He was more than willing. But he had absolutely
no contact whatever with the magazine.
((Did he come in to replace Hamba Alavi))
Yes.
zagazine))
((How long did Hamsa Alavi work with the magazine).
You would have to check the issues, of the English edition. He vas
there until õlightly before we dropped Rosalind Ainslés. That would be
May of 63. right up to gring of 64.
Did Hamsa Alavi do anything actually) for did he just
found
He got manuscripts and so on. He actually did the work that Phombeah
never did. But that was all. And it was sort of contre coeur with him
because he did not agree with the thing. He had the idea that the magazine
sort of
an
vas axamednat open forum, rostrum for kkm debate
between
all sorts of revolutionary movements. But when it became very obvious
that Verges wanted & to try, at that time, at least, to
to the state of his
stay with the
Chinese line, MA it particularly because of this feelings about the
situation in Pakistan and he wasn't happy. Also on the question of India,
fo felt that the Chinese position vis-a-vis India wasn't just, and he
didn't like the hook-upt between-Pakistani
growing
the willing
and actual solidarity between Pakistan and China.
<so
friendship
(So he was through amicably. What is the present relationship
betweenAlavi and Verges))
I doubt if he has any at all. He is very active here in London
with Pakistani groups. He has money. His wife's family has money, his
own family has. It wasn't a question of money for him.
((Has
things))
he continued to be active in AfrbeAsian things)
He's an academic. Ha The Socialist Register published last year by
_ an article on Imperialism by him. He is active around
the London School of Economics. He is known to the academic Left, friends
with the boys who do Left Review and so on. His only practical work would
be working with Pakistani groups instance during the last election
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the Tories ran in several constituencies Pakistani independent candidates
in the hope of breaking the Labor vote, hoping that the Pakistanis would
vote for these Pakistani independents. Hamsa worked with the Labor Party
fact.
in those constituencies, to counter this; and apparently they were quite
successful. He has very good connections inside the Labor Party. And
he does not have very good ties at all with the Communist Party, though
he is not by any means anti-Communist. He's a skeptic.
( How about Bashani))
He has never done anything. Never heard from him except once when he
xxix said ve could put his name on the board. As far as I know there has
Rever been any contact.
((Do they get paid for this)).
No.
Riad
S.
Next is Hassan Mynd. He is Amir. He is an official
with headquarters in Dakar
the UN
Economic Commission for Africa, UK economic adviser in Dakar, He has a
very high position inthat. He is Egyptian, a full member of the Egyptian
Communist Party with very very pronounced Trotskyist views. That is, he
feels, he has a theory about the role of bureaucracy in under-developed
countries the progressive and reactionary bureaucracy- fits into
general Trotskyist theories but applied there. He has done work on
Egypt, state capitalism in Egypt. A book of his published recently by
Edition de Minuit
Victor
in Paris, part of which appeared in Revolution. Some
Kein
-
-
He is very interested in
of it was so obviously Trotskyist that Chen, despite his somewhat partial
agreement with parts of it felt that it was too obvious even to print
in Revolution. He only comes through Paris occasionaly. His main interest
in REvolution is getting his things printed.
having his things published. He is very cynical about many of the African
States. His article on Senegal appeared recently in Revolution, in French,
I think in No. 12. It was written under a pseudonym hy»hin and based on
the UN Economic Commission for Africa research stuff that he couldn't
Like Jalet
say in his official bikusian capacity. (Resudonym) Lajalle, yes.
He is not overly pro-Chinese. He feels that the Chinese philosophical
position isn't quite adequate, the idstoloi ideological model isn't
adequate for under undeveloped countries, certainly for Africa.
((Do you know him- How old is be))
Yes I know him. He is in his thirties. About 35. Married. He is Egyptian.
because these
He is anti-Nasser really. He feels that the Egyptian Communist Party has ade
really abdicated any constructive role inside? Egypt, even from the
Frans Omwalla
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concentration camps where they were held putting out secret clandestine
tracts supporting Nasser, which was the craziest thing I've ever heard.
Because they've been liberated - in fact the old Communists are now
being given very high organizational posts in the new Egyptian Party, and
very
ari
and
Communism Markism is extraneous to Arab socialism but they
Let's
uga than in there. And the group that are under
Soviet influence are perfectly willing to go along with thisf',
2
((Is
he pro-anything in Egypt))
Low of
No, I think that he is sort of resigned to the events of history. He
analyzes what he considers state capitalist developments, the rise of a new
bureaucratic middle class, the officer class and he tries to show in his
'
ц
-
ཝུན॰–– པཎ
writings how the officer class has crushed the old land-owning Vafdist
ruling class which had its links with British and French financial
interests and has now consolidated itself in power, and there is a certain
social mobility, but for them only. In other words, how limited it is and
the officer caste certain
but still the
problem of the masses remains.
its fiunctionaries.
(obes he concern himself very much
with the state of
Egypt?))
From an academic point of view only. He's more academic. He's not even
particularly comerned wih revolution. If you want his address
Now who do we have- Marcos Ferrer- That's Colombia. I don't know
anything about it. It probably stands for Dr. Leiva
SEMPER
of the MAC
IN Paris. He is a Colombian doctor, the representative in Paris of the
E
- Frene
a
MOAC. He is the one who conducted negotiations with Verges for a Spanish
edition in Colombia. I assume Marcos Ferrer for to be a pseudonym.
Ginwalla, next on the list, is a member of the Indin Congress
for South Africa. She was a correspondent of Revolution in Dar es Salaan
and she published a magazine called spearheads until she was
i
Spearheads
.
expilled from
-
Tangy nyika
ika 
under a cloud and accused of being a Western spy. The accusations
were not made openly. She was known to have contacts with the Festora
West German Embassy. She received West German money from the Carl Ebert
Foundation and actually printed West German propaganda in the her magazine.
She had gone to West Germany and done this so obviously that stunt=kBOVT"
she couldn't have been very sophisticated about it because it was just too
She was accused of having told the Soviet Embassy of having offered
to carry information for the Soviet Embassy, volunteering as a Communit
(open)
x
a South African Communist, to give them information, two-thirds of which
turned out to be totally useless and false, which again might have been
ingratiate herself.
The works She was here in London after she was
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expelled, I'm not certain of the exact dates. She was also known to have
slept around with almost every Minister of the Tanganyikan government
including Julius Nyerere. This is one of the reasons why there was so much
hushhush about her, that she had obviously gotten a lot of information out
of these fellows. She was very close to Oscar Cambona and she claimed that
Овсаг
✓ ambona
Kambona was going to get her back into the Foreign Ministry.
s
She was just Revolution's correspondent there. She did practically
nothing. When she got out, the managed to keep her little office going.
They didn't seize anything, and she turned over themailing list of her
Spearhead
for a
magazine to Revolution. Verges had paid her £1000 deposit some she
could do some work but she real
really didn't
't 
do anything, but she, unlike
Rosalind
She
Rosalind Ainslie, turned over the unspent portion of that to Verges when
she came to London. she wasn't interested really in continuing her
work with Revolution. Being Indian of course posed a problem with way.
for her with anything to do with the Chinese. She was very close to the
Indian community, As anyone who looks through that mailing list will see
ils,
ES.
we have lots of missionary' Indian business news, and so forth in East
Africa, who were taking subscriptions to the magazine more or less out
of friendship and solidarity with another Indian. They didn't caremuch
whether she was a Communist or not.
1
She was supposed to have been the mistress of Dr. Dadu. At least
they say she slept with Dr. Dadu and they had a very close relationships
to him. Dr. Dadu
is the president of the Indian Congress for
South Africa and a member of the Communist Party / of South Africa,
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a very important members. Because Indian the Tudtang have holdings
the Indian communis has holdings up and down East Africa, Mozambique
as well, their role in the liberation struggle is very equivocal .
Obviously the Africans want to go ahead while the Leninds Indians are think-
ing well- im
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menaced Lem. ie
Africanization meant to the TH Indianss
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The English used them as a sort of buffer,, preferred to bring an Indian
clerk to East Africa rather than to train an African. That was a typical
colonial maneuver but now it has put the Indians in a situation historically
which is untenable, for a long period. You know people talk about multi-
racial states but in East Africa it is a joke. It won't hold up. I don't
think it will, anyway.
Chombeah.
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The Indian Congress of South Africa is related to the African National
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Congress, the Solored people's congress, all of this in a so-called
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Congress Alliance. She had contacts with the African- the ANP people.
½ the ANC people here in London. They were suspicious of her, as well.
But she managed somehow to get back in, she was ill, she was in
hospital She was hurtin an auto accident, and she had to have a very
complicated bone operation. That put her out of action for some time.
I don't know, but I heard that she is now back in Tanganyika.
She may well be. She has quite a bit of money; for family has money.
Of course the Indians do have money. She did very little for the magazine.
She occasionally told me about people in the ANC who might do something
for the magazine. But most of the people she told me abut were members
of the South African Communist Party. That party has taken a pro-MOSCOW
stand and most of its people don't want to do anything for Revolution,
though we did have articles by Bryan Bunk another South African Communis
That was before their party took their stand on the Sino-Soviet conflict.
And there is a struggle going on right now inside of the ANC.
That's a long complicated thing. That has nothing to do with Revolutin.
(On my list here we have Diallo))
Diallo is an adviser of the President of Mali- .\
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Keida...
a
✓ Married to a French woman, 47 Leftist, he knows Verges through friendship
and offered to help. He put him in contact with
who is Minister of Information, who is very, very pro-Chinese.
(In Hali
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Yes. When Chou en Lai visited Mali, you recall, that he got quite
committed. There were some gratuitous, open handed #laps
There's nothing very much. He just knew him.)
This is again-one -of-Verges-attempts to have a fingerin¯änother Africa a
_ country
Chombeah
(Verges)
I didn't mention, with Phomybeah, one of the reasons that he kept
Λ
hombeah was phon
Phombeah's connection with Odinga, ✓ in Kenya.
Phombeah at one time had hoped to be made the secretary of this new
Lumumba Institute there, in Nairobi. Verges, odd as it may seem, had at
one time, proposed himself as a sort of security adviser to Odinga.
We felt that he continued to pay Dennis Phombeah for doing nothing
mainly to keep a line of communication open to Odinga. He had met Odinga
but got nowhere with him. In Algiers he was
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Keita. XXXX Married to a French woman. Leftist.
He knows Verges through friendship and offered to help. He put him
NexfindxQxbqkPxxQWkx in contact with
Compli
16 man by the
name of Mogotago (?)
who is Minister of Information, who is very very pro-Chinese,
Mali,
And when Chou en Lai visited Mali you recall that he got quite a committed'
welcome in Mali. And there were some gratuitous oDea-handed slaps
the Russians made. Didn't have to be made but were.
(How did Verges and Diallo get together))
I don't know. He had known him for a considerable time. There
is nothing very much. This is again one of Verges's attempts to have a
finger in another African country. One of the reasons that he kept
Phombeah was Phombeah's connection with Odinga.
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If in Algiers he was referred to as Le Chinois, I don't think Oding
would accept him.
This is a real problem. He says, "well, we colored people and so forth"
and it is true that he is part
Africans to accept that.
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he's Eurasian, but it is very hard for
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They just put him down as
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Chinese.
I don't know very much about Gama Diallo. He played very little role
in the Hagazine except that he was a contact inside of Mali . He came to
(64),
France early last year, the spring of last year/ with his wife. He went
to Vichy for his health and drank the waters for two or three weeks/
Kan
and he saw Verges. Verges had ideas, had mentioned to Chea that if he
couldn't keep the magazine gong that he might go to Mali. ☐ then was
was
⠀ going to be sent off to wherever, Viriato da Cruz of the Angolan Federation
of Liberation, as adviser, and I was going to be sent to Indonesia ror
For
the Afro-Asian juga Journalists. That was how he was going to take care
of everybody.
i
( How about Castro Da Silva))
Castro Da Silva is the pseudonym used for Viriato da Cruz, formerly
The
of the MPLA, and now of the UP✓ ✓. He is a poet, again, late thirties,
.
married, has a child and is based are or lessin Algiers. He has virtually
no money at all. He has a small group which went into the UPA.
Holden Roberto, the head of the UPA is very suspicious of him. but
nevertheless he needs him. He needs the Left. He has been to China &
and this give him a sort of, ✓ gives the Chinese a guarantee, but on the
other hand the Chinese didn't even want to give Viriato money to transfer
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himself from Algiers to Brazzaville. And he was threatened by the MPLA
people, who are of course Soviet backed to the hilt, in fact more se
Dr. Neto, appartull more than ever now. And the Algésians, Ben Bella,
who had supported the MPLA up until the great fiasco when people discovered
that they didn't have what they claimed to have- didnt have the fighting jones
given their support to the UPA. Nevertheless, the MPLA people still
remain and they are promising to reform and really carry out things.
ideologically
I think that logically the MPLA is much more congenial to the Algerians
and to all of the _
then
hard revolutionary lines people.
Holden Roberto is considered to be an American agent pure and simple
and always has been. In actual fact, he received a lot of money through
missionry groups.
various Protestant missionary groups, American Protestant missiouries.
And the himself is a Christian Protestant. These tie-ups have helped the
He did go off to China, made some Fall land
Rightists to back him.
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which the Chinese were pleased with.
The Chinese haven't made any real decisive choice between the MPLA and the
UPA.
They're just waiting to see who is going to be able to produce.
((What about da Cruz): What is his function))
He has no function except to write articles about Angola, which he
has done, one of which he signed with his own name. He has very little
money and he hoped that Verges would be able to smooth the way with the
☐ I understand,
Chinese, but alas! poor fellow, he learnt to his horror, t that Verges
presumed
•
was by no means the Chinese agent that he wasked him to be. I understand
that he has virtually retired from politics He is a poet. And he'd much
rather be a poet than anything else. He told me on several occasions at
really
in Paris when he came to my house there for dinner that he wished he could
get out of the whole thing, what was he going to do, he didn't have a
fut
passport, he had as all these people sort of pushing him in
into this. He didn't have any money. He didn't know what to do.
(He lives in Paris))
The
No, he lives in Algiers. He is still in Algiers to, best of my knowledge,
He is one of the people in Algiers I would see. If I were to go to
Algiers I would xnxxkiax look him up. He's not terribly dynamic but
events xxxix#f threw him up into a leading position and he sort of stuck
น
there and doesn't know how to get out. The Chinese Haven't given him
the all-out support that he had hoped for
(Neither have they turned him down))
No.
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That was a name used, not a pseudonym, a false name. It doesn't represen
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anyone, it represents the FALN), of Venezuela in Europe. They have a
bureau in France. I didn't really know them. I knew there were several
some of.
people. One of them, a graphic artist,, whose drawings
✓
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zbe were
printed in Revolution. They brought the things to him. They are authentic.
Because when Verges had a young French boy traveling through Latin America
r
he went to Venezuela. They got him into the guerillas. They got him all
around. We had some very authentic West-hand reports. So whoever they
are they are authentic. They were very, very cautious, probably suspicious
of me because I was an American, so I never had any real
conversation with them.
(ob you known anything about who Verges's link to them was)
No.
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them)
you know if he still has them)
that
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I know this,^ They asked him to remove the name Amilcar Cabrera
and it has been removed, Decause it was identified with them.
The them
put in a note in the twelfth French edition that in the future he would
receive an article from the information department of the FALN. They'd
be foolish not to send material, but they didn't want to be identified
with the editorial policy of the magazine. This many reflect various
tendencies inside of the PALN which I have read about. I don't know any-
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thing, first-hand that they split between a hard line, those who want
guerrilla
to continue the real struggle and the sabotage struggle and those who want
to look for possible negotiated solutions. One group that let a little
more pro-Chinese.
In any case these people did represent the FALN, There is no doubt
about it. I didn't know any of them. They never had any dealings with me.
((Patricia Ligowan))
I know very little about her. She did this book on Portugal. She vas
connected with the
British
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she has ties with the British Communist Party but
also with Trotskyists. She was the one who found Rosalind: Ainslée
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to work here in London for the magazine. She is the mistress of a man
named Carlos
() (Lanca?))
I'm not certain. That might be it. He is a European born in Mázambique,
Portuguese, who has beenkept going by various African movements for years
because he represents (laughing) མ、 ༗ལ་
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(Do you know Michael Tabasa),
No, never heard of him.
obviously Neto does xxxx have some American support as well or had some
American support. His father did, I think.
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((We come to Maspero))
Haspero is just a third-generation French elite intellectual who has
a little bit of money, runs a publishing house, and magazine, and who is
extremely non-committed in his Left commitment. In other words he is a
festist but he is not a member of any party and is not really involved
in active politics. His magazine more and more is taken over by Trotskyists
That was not always the case.
at present. He came really to the fore with the Algerian War, Considering
the failure of the French Communist Party to do anything about 1
intellectuals, the
the Algerian question, it was the loft Intellectuals who were out of the
party who responded, who made up the Jensen network, the support network
for the
A
✓ the PLM underground in France, and who did the propaganda work and who
If
gave the support.is the FL had French support it was among these people,
not among the Communist party.
((Verges consistent efforts to ))
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Yes.
d
To mana away authors (from Maspero)./ Hassan Riab
wrote for hin.
Chalion, whom he got for Revolution Africaine wrote for him and now is
Kien
back again working for him, writing for him. Cassel also. Chen also.
Almost everyona. Even I knew him because he published student material
ing to the PIC
and he used to thinge 7
in the States
and I had correspondence and I used to send him material that we had.
(The competition between Verges and Haspero- was this a personal
as opposed to ideological competition))
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No it was personal. There is very litte ideological about Verges.
Verges is an extremely
but
*, personal person. He is generous in many ways
It Beve
personally. He is either for
even his generosity is
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d
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you. He is a grand patron. He is extremely generous with money when he
has it. He throws it around. You could never go anywhere with Verges that
want to pay. When we traveled it was
xxxsixax on a plane. He has a deep-seated
he doesn't i
first class,
desire to be big, (He is a small man, he is short) to be talked about.
He wants publicity. He wants to be known. He doesn't have any real commit-
ments, I don't think, that are terribly deep. And I'm certain that if
he were sure of money from the other side, but nevertheless so that his mame
would stay big, I'll bet he'd.
TORBY Bot for hisself but for
prastiger After all Verges's father was the founder of the Communist Party-
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money not for itself but for prestige. After all, Verges's father was
of
the founder of the Communist party Reunion, member of the French Assembly. '
His
Ha brother is the head of the Communist party of right now. ?
He grew up in this sort of French Left-wing upper class, which in France
the
is
SA bereditary Left which goes all the way back to 1848 or before.
Some families were extremely distinguished. They really had
group. In France it is
And he is in that sort of th LEBERXXRAHDEſenkkkes very much
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respected, inxxtentumsspeRkxx just as you might respect, Flandau
family. You know that a member of such and such a family obviously must
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be Left because his grandfather and his greatgrandfather were.
((Haspero again))
Haspero fits just into that category.
( (That some Leftist heritage))
That's right.
basis))
((Does he run his operation on a self-sustaining commercial basis)
More or less except that for intance he published a book on China
recently, which the Chinese bebatteri subsidized. I suspect that
he has received some aid from the Italian Communist party. The Italians
look with great favor on him because of his openness, his critical approach,
his Anti-Stalinism. Andersson says he got money from the Chinese for
this book on China.
as a
Verges has tried desperately to smear him with the Chinese, but
apparently the Chinese didn't give a damn.
(You said that the Trotskyists seem to be moving in on Maspero))
Yes.
((Would they be giving him any kind of financial aid))
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I really doubt it. The Trotskyists generally are poor. I don't
hink so. I think that what it is, is that he is really short of hands)
short of manuscripts, short of people
who can think and produce
something. And here are these Trotskyist-leaning indiskaunka
intellectuals who don't have any outlet, so naturally.. It's just that
he doeſn't.
_ great
doesn't have any sectarian feelings against
then, so more and more tend to come in.
(Candre Belge))
Never heard of him.
(Heither have It.mtg
Oh, Imokay is a student.
at the university of
He never did anything else.
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in Nigeria)
He's no bureau man at all. He was a student
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Be never did anything else. Just a student, graditaxxge he has graduated
now. I think he is working in the government somewhere.
((Did he get paid))
No- oh yes, he did, he got a commission on subscriptions.
He got 30
-
some subscriptions from students at the university, in one week as I recall
ist by.
which was unheard of. Just a student, and just be sheer chance he handled
the magazine.
((Mme. Michele Mestre)
Oh, My, Michele Mestre is
Madame Mestre I don't know
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anything about. Michel Mestre is one of Maspero's people. I thought it
vas a man. I've never met him, don't know anything about him. I know
there is a Michel Mestre who has written a number of books on the Congo-
for Maspero. Had nothing to do with Verges although Verges did put out
feelers to get this person, man or woman, to work for Revolution.
He wasn't successful. It was part of his general campaign of leaving
Maspero with no authors at all.
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((Rosaland Ainslie)
ATR).
She's married., She works for the East German news agency APN# She is
obviously connected with the South African Communist party. She is a member
of the Congress Alliance in South Africa and she is married to an Indian.
several
She has some children and she lives here in London. She comes from a
wealthy family in South Africa, I imagine. She was found by Patricia
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the
M&gowan Pinheiro to work for Revolution. That flopped after a short
period. They didn't know which way to go, to stick with the Algerians or
stick with Verges. The business of the magazine being pro-Chinese by
no means was obvious, nor even clear in Verges's mind? The magazine wasn't
%2
pro-Chinese-for an awful long time, it wasn't a question of being pro- t
Chinese. Certainly not when I was hired. It was Algerian, that was all.
(Americans attending subversive sabotage school in Prague))
I never heard of a subversive sabotage school in Prague. The Americans
(who were)
that I have known going through Prague have gone to Havana.
Between Moscow and Havana on route))
Yes. I AGEI don't know anything about a subversive sabotage school.
I don't doubt that there might ‘bo one. I imagine there's one in Washington
too.
((I never heard of it. Either one)
(Laughs)
one))
((Current addresses of some of these people)
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Kien
Well, who do you want?
Chen now, has no address. He sleeps around
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everywhere. He literally was sleeping on my floor at one point.
If you had told me, I could have brought my book. I gave you people whom
I contacted on my trip.
Hamsa
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✓ FALN- they have an office here in London. I don't have much.
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Algiers. I have a bigger address book at home.
Ghana
(You mentioned Dubois. Do you know very much about his group in Hauses)
was
Dr.
DuBois had a number of people around him but he is an elderly
man; he was more interested in producing the African Encyclopedia than
anything else, which he did set up before his death. His wife is now
one of the directors of Ghana television. She is a Ghana citizen, she has
* renounced her American citizenship. There are a number of people who are
close to her or were close to Br. Dubois such as Dr. Alpheus Hunton
*
...
fur
who is an American Negro who has written on Africa, masked and works for
The
the enclyclopedia,, Ghana Institute: He was a member of the Communist
party of the US. I think Shirley Graham may have been a member. Certainly
Dubois
Dr.
Dubois 
became a member several years before his death. At the time of
his death he was extremely pro-Chinese and was very ■■ unhappy. His wife,
n
Shirley Graham Dubois, is very pro-Chinese. for There is William Gardner Smith,
an American Negro writer, who works for Ghana radio and who worked with me
at the Agence France Presse in Paris. Smith is close to Shirley Graham,
Miya
or was. Mayfield, There is a girl by the name of Maya Angelou, who was
married, still married but separated, to form representative of the PAC ;
1 South Africa, in Accra. He has been removed from his post for misappropria-
Vus
tion of funds- Musisi Make. Those are the ones that I know of.
(Subsidiary question- Hammer and Steel krup ))
The The Hammer and Steel group in Boston is an alleged Chinese group that
(They are)
operates in Boston, former meters of the US Communist a party.
it
After a period of inactivity has suddenly become active and not more than
ago
a few days, while I was out of the country, without any effort on my
live my ROA)
Fassbend
behalf they had my address here and I received two of their publications.
Two recent publications, hare in London, which were sent to my London
address. So someone here, someplace, has sent them my new address.
Very interesting that they should have it. We had an exchange with the
aut
with Revolution, but I had not kept this ☑up. They have just formed a
The
so-called New England party of Labor which is supposed to be the Chinese
party, Marxist-Leninist party, and is opposed and they give the reasons for
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their opposition to the xratinink ex progressive labor group and
to the Regime POC, Provisional Organizing Committee for a new Marxist-
Leninist party which said was an old pro-Albanian group. Progressive
Labor is of course a split-off/the Communist party and split off
from
the
almost
because
POC
of the Cuban revolution and/civil rights question and so forth.
has a large number of Negro and Puerto Rican members, the majority of them.
has been
PL has a number of Negro contacts/ extremely active in the South but
has made some serious mistakes. They had people in Monroe, North
Carolina, niko××¤tt after Williams, Taking Williams place they had a
white man, which is a ridiculous thing to do. They didn't understand what
black ration"
nationalismɑMeans.
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This new Hammer and Steel group, which has been a sort of group without
a party, has now announced the formation of this New England Party of
Labor which they hope will be the nucleus of a new Chinese Communist Party
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in the United States. But I don't know anything about them.
Pork to
((Switzerland >
How long were you in Lausanne. ))
December
(sic!!)
From March, 1963, to September of 63. Then I used to go back every
monkh
magazine W
((What contact did you maintain there))
With Andersson.
(CD1d you have any American contacts))
No. What do you mean- with the American Embassy?
((Any Arab contacts))
По. Just the people that came in and out of Andersson's place. But
of the fact that _
Being an American I was very much aware that everybody
I didn't. •
was suspicious of me. So I made it a point not to bother.
((Yo
there any relationsship with
(You talked about Drapeau Rouger. Is that the John Llewellyn Davis
Red Flag))
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the
(laughing) Who is John Llewellyn Davis: That sounds like something
out of- -- The Drapeu Rouge gxsepxixxysung is a group of young, French
students, university and licee students who had been connected with t
[want on
youth group of the JSU which is the PSU, the party, the Nenni Socialist
Party in France. This was their youth group. They were dissatisfied with
--
...
for instance, the Belgian section, Arras. One of the boys
had been in then's philosophy class in Licee had got in touch with
and he had given them advice and helped them to form this group, or
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or to continue
#ThryxUBxkinned the group and it produced a news letter. He had promised
them money,
They put out one issue, and he never got any money. I heard
that they were in contact with the Clichy group down
and were seeking some sort of recognition there, and/among the things that
they had promised & they did a self-criticism admitting that they had
Kin
done wrong to have accepted thea's supervision and fit saying that they
will
never do this again.
(he))
((John Llewellyn Davis, you say who the hell is he
Yes.
((We talked about Pablo Is this Michael R₁f³
He is a member of the Trotskyist IVth International
for
or was. He has
been expelled to his heretical views, not that they all don't have
heretical views, but his were extremely pro-Algerian. I think he has
become an Algerian citizen. He is Belgian, I believe, or Dutch, but think
with
it is Belgian. He was arrested in Holland. He worked fix the FLN during
the War, went to Algeria, was arrested in Holland, spent some time in Wail,
was released, Munkaxkx went to Algiers with his wife and became very active
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in the Bureau des Biens Vacantes) and then later the Bureau of the
His miflumes. has been of an ideological nature
despite
Socialist Sector.
and he has very close ties with the Yugoslavs, and despite his Trotskyism
and he has now been expelled,
He has a group
he is also not at all persons non grata with the Soviets, a
called Pabloites f.
་
Pablo
(How did he hit on
Pablo))
This was his nom de guerre, I suppose.
international
He represented for a while a majority tendency in the Trotskyist movement.
being hold
xxxpeza helped by the American SWP Socialist Workers Party.
Finally
expelled. I don't know the ins and outs of the Trotskyists very much.
(when did you first run into him))
Rad
I heard of him for years. The first time I saw him in the flesh was
sitting in a cafe in Algiers. I never had anything to do with him.
He used to hang out in a cafe which was right under the offices of Revolution
Africaine, which was sort of a center for European Leftists and whatnot.
...
It was called the Cafe Elx
Very!
(?)
((Did
Did he ever have anything to do with Revolution)
He made have had something to do with it later with Harbi but not under
Verges.
3.))
I meant in Europe, not Algiers.)
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(IDO you know anything about the formerly dissident PDP of Montreux)
The Pro-Chinese Communist party of Switzerland),
They've got it wrong. There's only one pro-Chinese Communist party and
Vervey
that's the so-called xxx Parti Comuniste Suisse, started in Verve,
Bulliard
not Monteaux,
org bend
Nestle's headquarters. Headed by Gerard Buillard,
on
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a small businessman who has become a member of the PLP, that the Communist
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Party. Then to Albania last year, summer, as a tourist, and sold the
He
Albanians on the idea of supporting a breakaway Marxist-Leninist party,
came back to Switzerland and with five people formed this Swiss Communist
to the awesome size of
Party, which grew, they often ergo 35 people. *-*B** Andersson was
hostile
was benevolent
view on it in Berne, he went along, and he may have received some money from
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the Chinese, I don't know. But we know that he received money from Albania
He became increasingly quarrelsome, he was very much worried about Anderssa
at first, but when the Chinese took a more
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because Andersson was a printing his newspaper, bes- L'Etincelle
He owned this offset press in Lausannet Anderson also was recruiting people
for the group and he has more connections inside the Communist party, the
Brelliced
PLP,
than Guilliardy did, since he had been only a recent member. The
Lausanne group became larger than the Verve group. I don't know what
happened after that. But them, relations deteriorated rapidly and both
the Albanians and the Chinese realized that they had made a drastic mistake.
or
Buflliard then phoned the Albanians and the Chinese in Berne and told them
khat if he didn't receive 3000 francs by a certain time of day that he
would denounce Andersson to the police. Obviously, he didn't receive the
about using and one ring and another some of ingautiful some-scal
3000 francs and he went to the police ^ Apparently they knew more than
Builliard about him. Then he got a delegation and went to the Federal Council,
to the Parliament in Berne, and they made an open public
Bl
(bo)
request
that
this foreign agent, this Swedish national, who had taken advantage of
neutrality
Swiss hospitality, be expelled. The Federal Police came in. They banned
and there was the gneral blowup.
Revolution They didn't get very far, except that now it is suspected that
is more or less subsidized by the Swiss police, that he is keeping
Going and it
goángand his group, is down to about 15 people, according to Andersson.
He obviously has a small amount of money which he is not getting from
definite
\later_
the Chinese. He told Andersson, he proposed/ Andersson retire from
politics, 11
We
if he would kommunld be paid the sum of 5,200 Swiss francs,
The reason for this was he wanted to keep the mimeograph machine that
(Quilessa)
The
he had given him and he was deducting
wanted 7,000 francs altogether/ for his exit from politics,
think he
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but he was willing to deduct the price of the mimeograph machine.
He didn't receive that either. No he can't be considered very (important),
At one point, to show you how silly he is, he was in contact with Kevin ?
DELVIN!
Delman of Radio Free Europe, in Munich, asking him to organize a meeting
for him there. This I found out theour through the Congress for Cultural
Freddom people. With is copies of "" Stained (:) he has many ties with his furniture
наму
DET
business and his wine business. He also sells wine.
\ and persons involved in
((Relationship of Revolution with the few im Leftist review
in Great Britain)
They didn't particularly agree with the views of Revolution but they
were sympathetic neverthess. They are leftists, some inside the Labor Party,
people like Batto
Belosh,
Thomas Batte,
They ase
one of the economic advisers,
by well connect the (habu (asty).
They helped us here for a while. Hamsa Alavi had friends (among them),
Dennis Phombeah also knew the editors, Perry Anderson, Roger Murray, who
*
is now in Ghana, professor Hodgkins of the African Study institute in
There was no connection other than that, sympathetic cooperation.
They were willing to help. Their views are quite different. They're not
Communists. We weren't Communist either.
ads))
(They didn't buy space. You just swapped ads)
Yes. That's a normal arrangement between magazines. You exchange
advertising.
((Hovement for Colonial Freedom))
With
it was
thing o
L
^ Movement for Colonial Freedom is the same \ We got very little real
cooperation from themax Movement for Colonial Freedom. We exchanged
ads, they promised to accept subscriptions on our behalf but John Eber,
who is the Secretary), was very much afraid that he might lose Algerian
support, because Movement for Colonial Freedom a depends on getting
support from all different African countries, Asian countries, etc.
Therefore anything that might be anti-governmental in terms of Algeria
he was ve
very much afraid of. He is an ex-Communist. He told me - "What are
you doing going around with Phombeah? He has been here with Harbi, the
لسمي
week before you come with him. Which side are they on?" Phombeah walked
Taher)
вит
"
in just as he was saying this, and overheard it. He was very
embarrassed, he had to go on with it. Phombeah said, "I'm just helping all
the brothers--" (laughing) He was hopeless.
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I have both children home now. This is mid-term, so the little boy
is out.
30.
My exact address: Stockley Hall
Albert Road, 21-31 engrance. 4th floor.
an apartment house on Prince
Cannot give definitive answer for some time, would advise- play it
reasonably safe, maintain access you have or could reestablish
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My problem short range. I need money by next week. I have people
who want me to write things. The things about Revolution, nobody
particularly will care about. That's no embarrassment to anybody.
Not even to the Chinese. Andersson said in fact they would be rather
pleased with it, if somebody would finally get this off their backs,
because they can't say anything at all. I'm committed to write the
article for Encounter. There's a letter, which is appearing in the
current issue of the China Quarterly. The question is what to do with
the Atlantic Monthly people.
I've got to arrange something quickly. I didn't expect the situation
to crop up quite so quickly as this. It was relatively well taken care
of when I left here, with my brother-in-law but my wife has gone and
fixed up, loused up some things with her brother which makes it
extremely difficult. I can probably get some more money, but not very
much more out of the Encounter people. They have already given me a large
Ther
sum of money, more than they expected-, expected Atlantic Monthly to come
which they never did.
through and pick up of Tust one or: vo missteps and the whole Ping....
post of it;
question of exchange of letters.
- I can continue this article,
That should be self-evident.
A
So far as Revolution concerned,
but I have the problem of getting money.
Anyway, I shall try to hold things off. I'm going to try to see
if I can arrange somet
something as a temporary emergency measure this afternoon.
Jif I can and if I'm successful, then everything will be fall right for tile
the end of next week.
(1
can let you have $200 this afternoon.
(pole
That would certainly be a great, That would be very helpful. That
would solve my needs-- Thirty-five pounds. How muchis £35/ in dollars?
((Under $150.00))
(text)
That's what, I need. That's what I actually needy Ammediately. It I
take care of that I'm off the hook until next week. Now I've got to go and
clear myself with Lasky of Encounter. You haven't been in touch with
Lasky in any way, have you, with these Encounter people?
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Well, somebody has. Some very strange-
-
you see swux✰ the Congress
for Cultural Freedom are sort of pushing in the background, and I know
vaguely that they have the idea that maybe, that I might like to take a
for long-term,
Personally I'm not terribly keen on some of the
things the Congress for Cultural Freedom does. Some things are not too
job, with them in Paris.
bad, besides, the pay. But worse still, my wife would just about blow
sky high over the Congress for Cultural Freedom, even though she knows
Chi Quarterly and Encounter were subsidized by the Congress for Cultural
Freedom. Encounter is no longer. But there has been a lot of hankypank
going on between them . Even the letter- I told you about the letter.
They did everything possible to try to keep the editor of Chi Quarterly
to keep from printing the letter, telling him all sorts of reasons,
it would blow my cover completely, and then the money that I got from
Encounter,
Pasky psaid well, maybe you won't write anything at all.
They
I don't know, why give me any money at all, send me
to write.
that
((I don't know. You're talking mysteries to me))
As I say there are various people who are hovering around and since
Castiel
I've been back, now here the truth, he hasn't bothered to really,
to find out what I have.
((Couple of questions occur to me-- you mention the possibility
•
•
of going to Paris to work for Congress for Cultural Freddom.
Would you also be interested if things worked out, in going back to
Algeria)
Oh, yes.
(To stay)
Sure. Certainly. All I need is a proper cover, one that is not
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that's very hard. The suspicions of these groups are extremely
slight. There was a feklow, we haven't mentioned. You've probably heard
about Dr. Robert Ramsey/who was an American who was in Zanzibar. He's now
locked up in jail in Algeria. He may be a Negro although I doubt it.
✓ a liberal,,
I've never met him. I think that he's white Member of the NAACP and all
sorts of things. I forget what he's a doctor of pot M.D.
wild
He was sending out 9 letters in favor of the Zanzibar revolution.
US
>
f Then he claimed he was expelled from Kenya by sinister forces. He didn't
( British
have a US passport. He was here without a passport, For a short time the ☐
National Council for Civil Liberties gave him some support and the next
thing I knew he was in Algeria. Now what is game is, and whether he is
just a crackpot God knows. Everything-Revolutie and revoltionary movement
brings futk forth such a bunch of screwballs as one can only see inside
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a madhouse, you know. I
.
((He's now in jail?),
in Algun
Now in jail, Manoharges against him. I understand the US Embassy is
'i
trying to get him out (laughing). I don't know whether Dr. Ramsey was
actually an agent of some kind, although he had too many confusions to
be really & good agent. Yes, the confused. There was too much wrong.
spirent)
In any case, what I found was that people were generally, if you had
meting
meting 
to do and didn't live too lavishly, though Africans don't
question too much on money. This business of feathering one's nest
goes on all over Africa, apparently in Algeria now more than ever.
Andersson said there
are large transfers of money ☑M Algerian francs
which as hich
into Switzerland being bought up by the opposition even stilt for their
own purposes, One day.
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m
Yes, Algeria would be in fine-- provided I could find some reasonable
any kind of a newspaper assignment, a vaguely Left thing, better than
anything else. but the more inmicuous the better.
((You
said once before, you fit well in Algeria, you didn't fit well
in Black Africa))
start
I could move throughout Africa, but one has to chart plate ones -
For instance, for me to go to Ghana would create, at this
where
point, innumerable suspicions, but to go to Algeria when I have people
Drnov't ithand?
thing.
like Georges Arasux who is a very close personal friend, they and would
welcome me, try to find something for me to do.
سلمييه
--
.
That would be easy, to arrange. And from there I have South African friends.
ANC
in the with both PAC and I have very good contacts. Wherever they
have offices I can move inside. But one has to have some reasonable sort
used some of the Afro-American journals,
of
{ing.
On this trip I up
the magazine (Encougâter) which was quite successful in some places.
I" fact Griffa said, "why don't I have this magazine. They send it to Berges
and don't send it to me." Evertheless with Grippa there was some suspicion.
And I had the opinion-- AI'm not paranoic and I don't like playing cops
and robbers- or go for cloak and dagger stuff, but I had the opinion
that somebody was watching me, was following me when I left there, which
was one reason why I didn't see all the people I was going to see.
I knew some Trosikyists there who (could) give me some stories about
Griffa's organization they're on the fringes of it, etc.- but I just
-
didn't go to see them because I thought that Grippa might have someone
watching to see where I was gong. He wouldn't like the connection wi
Troatkyites, anyway.

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(('11
11 be away. • closed on Monday. Washington's birthday))
Oh, my God, is it?
(You'll have to buy a cherry pie this week end))
The kids know all about the cherry tree.
((Can you come on Tuesday))
Yes. But my coming in and out of this Embassy is not the best
thear are
thing in the world. Right 2
the Indonesians, whom I know.
Around the corner are the Cubans who know me very well. All it would
take is one Cuban to see me walk in here.... I can always concoct a reason
but .
I don't know how many people are watching. For one thing, west tarily
the British Home Office, they've had me under surveillance ever since
I've been here . There's no doubt about that. I got a tip on that from
tim Ennals
N
Mark Bagel of the National Council of Civil Libertiesim.
British may be allies and all, but at all.
As far as my wife is concerned, she is by no means a
difed-in-the-wool
Communist. She is not a Communist at all, never has been, but she would not
like that in the lightest.
I can't get her to understand.
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Tampe No. 3 Gibson
((What do you think about that
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Malcomm X))
I could have told you it was coming.
(( Well, you did. You didn't single out Malcolm X))
it becomes
make
Now comes the real thing. It's going to the Algerian struggle.
You remember the Algerian struggle throughoutwas marked by clashes between
the MNA and the FLN right up to and after the Independence. And this is
what is going to happen now in the States, as far as I can see. But what
I don't really like is -- there are so many small groups, uncontrollable
little
fifteen-year-old kids who are planning to shoot the
groups, kids,
President, and that sort of thing. You don't know how far it goes.
leading what, at this point.
So the idea of being a leader- leader of what? As to Black Ghettoes,
there this thing- I don't know (who responsible).
((Do you think that was Elijah))
I'm not at all certain. There are many, many, many people who would
be glad to see Malcomm out of the way. For one thing, it does resolve
a cettain problem and that -is, there was a clash, certainly it was going
to come about between Williams's group and Boggs' men in Detroitx and
Malcolm X, people who were more committed to an armed struggle. Malcolm's
major contradiction was that he didnx-- logically, what he was preaching
gould have led even to negotiations with Washington, to some kind of
arrangement, or else to an armed struggle, an underground struggle.
as you
hi
од
As soo
have a vocal leader who is exposed and who is in the country, one hand
he know what was happening. He was very much aware of this proliferation
of groups and activities, like the little business of Walter Bove, which
really
_was_kigkin innocuous, in comparison
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highly symbolic and almost innocuous, in comparison with some of the things
His trips abroad, most of his btips abroad were in a way he wanted to
create unity by contacts with Williams and otherak people, but here, in 3
Europe and Cairo. One of the problems that he had was simply in getting
Sea
to Williams. He didn't want to go to Havana. He probably could have brought
an extraordinary amount of pressure on the State Department to allow him
.
to go as a journalist or something like that if he really wanted to. But
he didn't want to, because he didn't want to be exposed on political
issue which might have cost him support. So where was he going to see
Prague, perhaps, Moscow. But he didn't want to go to Eastera
Williams?
European countries either.
**
(( you said that one of his bag might have been to negotiate with
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Washington ))
Exactly. At first the whole idea was that there was going to be a
Black State. This was originally. But no one had any real.
•
•
Elijah Muhammed's people
--
except for
I think that some of them did have. You sav
A
--
the London Times article todayg? One of the things that disgusted him with
the Elijah group was this talks with the American Nazi Party and with the
Ku Klux Klan, particularly with the Klan, to buy a county, if you will,
a county in Georgia, which the Ku Klux Klan was going to sell. They were
going to see that all property in the country was turned over and this was
going to be the nucleus of a Black State. He felt that the Muslims vere
seeking to perpetuate segregation for their purposes. He really was not a
segregationist nor did he at the end believe in he wasn't a racist.
This is whole thing, backing away from a religous point, from a racist poia
trying to find some modus vivendi for a modified Black nationalism. But he
wanted to talks this over. Thisxisxkixx I don't know if he ever had any
contacts with anyone beside New York City and State officials and police.
He had rather good relations. He was extremely moderate in person and you
could talk to him. I think this is what he really wanted or what would have
come out of it. He just wanted the contact to feel that there was somebody
-
opposite him. To a lot of these people, this a lot of the stink could be
taken out just ka by talking to them, not necessarily with publicity.
for
benefit
((Is he wasn't involved on the racial or theological grounds, what was))
Not a racist. For instance, it is said that the Muslims are anti-white
and there is an anti-white elements, and particularly and an anti-Semitic
directed
elements, against Jewish shopkeepers.
Obviously the Jewish shopkeepers,
being exposed, being in the Cheeto, the resentment comes out against them.
In New York it comes out against the Jewish element in the garment district.
as many Negroes work in the garment district. It is unskilled, underpaid.
and sweat shop type of thing. I must say that Malcolm sometimes played
this tune himself. He knew it was facile, and also it pleased the Arabs.
fx*x*x from whom he received considerable support.
f(You mean the Cairo type Arabs?))
Yess, the Nassertype. I don't know how much support he ever received
financially, but I think they did receive support. And also the Black
Muslinsx did receive support at certain times. It was no accident that
he set up a headquarters in exile in Cairo. He did go to Ghana and I know
that in Ghana he was attacked by the orthodox Marxists. They are the first
to launch an attack, for Black fascism or something. I feel that he was
evolving, trying to get out of a box. His reaction was that of a Negro who
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goes up in a Ghetto, who becomes a criminal under pressures, he is intellignt
he ix extremely intelligent. Not an intellectual but far more capable as
an organizer say, than Williams. Williams is utterly hopeless. And He is not
slow to catch ideas, but he has certain fixed ideas which have developed,
Malcolm was moving and he as a figure could
certainly under pressure.
have done a lottoo.
((Was this a maturing))
Yes, a maturing, a process of facing reality also. I suppose this is an
explanation to a large extent of why there are so many children who are
young kids, who are
really involved infthe nationalist movementà. They're facile, frustrated.
They don't know what elsei They feel that the older organizations are
i acapable of doing anything for them. There is a class thing.They feel that
there is sort of a Black bourgeoisie for whom there is now in general a
has sold them out, but they,
possibility of integration, but they who live in the Ghettoes, who goś
st
the bad schools, who come out of poor homes and so forth, by the time
their
they're sixteen, they their hope of, the real hopes of integration, of
being something in contemporary American society, is dead. It's this
whole business, the motivation in schools, the good schools, the housing
and the family even. If a child grows up in a home where they don't have
books- there is a great difference between a Jewish child in the Lower
East Side, яxdx no matter how poor that family, motivated by a kany long
Jewish tradition, sxxxxxXx and a Negro child or a Puerto Rican child,
Middle Class ideals are beginning to sink down into the exisham Negro
community,
but among Puerto Ricans there is an even greater gap, so I
understand,
Many of these Negro kids, they just feel this enormous wall around
them, and one of the things that I am most aware of, even-- when I was
a child, I grew up in Philadelphia. Many of my friends were white. Te
lived in a neighborhood in West Philadelphia which had Negro and white
Irish, Catholies, Jewish people, Italian, in proximity. Lived in the same
block. That neighborhood now is solidly black. The shool I went to was
de, bite
always mixed. Now most of these schools are black. There is more, segregati
today, yhrough real estate, through housing, than there was 20 years ago.
**
:
(( Is this intentional or is this because this was an area that was
misad and where a Negro could move in and so Negroes did.))
Yes. One of the problems is that around most American cities the city
line marks the end of expansion for Negroes. They can't move into the
suburgs. A middle class Negro who has money can move into the sububiys.
And what areas they can move into are filled up . The whites flee out of
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the city, xx
((Washington would be the primary example of that))
Washington is that much more complicated because you are in the midst
of the Southern States. Except that I notice, I have relatives that
live around Washington. As a kid I used to go to Washington every summer.
And going out towards Chevy Chase and Montgomery county, the Maryland side,
there is a certain desegregation that has gone on. Obviously on the Virginis
side it is the opposite. Also the Maryland counties to the South. That is
a more segregated area. That is also the history-- the sort of slave line.
in Maryland before the Civil War sort of went where Washington is nov.
across the State, to the South were they grow tobacco there was slavery,
to the North there was no slavery. And there was a great deal of
intermarriage- not intermarriage but racial intermixture.
I have relatives
who are to all intents and purposes white. When I was a child and went
Be
there in the summer, I really had no real awareness of race. It was a
curious background of interracial mixture, that had gone on just before
and after the Civil War. Now that has changed considerably., That's in
Montgomery county.
I brought the address book.
((It's extremely interesting to consider the racial problem at home
but I would like to finish this up.))
Yes. What sort of addresses do you want.
((The people we talked about))
Im'n
S.AMIN
This is Hassan Riad. Amoui is his name, we may have Amser. Bolt: postale
3186 - Dikat, Senegal
M. Amiabel. was a Canadian, former Communist. He was setting up, he did
set up a pro-Chinese group near Vancouver. Apparently there was considerable
activity there. (6323 Marine Drive, Burnaby 3, B. C., Canaday
This is address of the Mulana. To the best of my knowledge Verges
never heard from himx yet (Bhashani - % Janata, Weekly, 16/20 Haba Roy Lave)
Nacca !. E. Pak.
BOSGRA
Vokegra Is a very interesting person, in Holland. He is a man who
works with Andersson occasionally. He is not a Communist, is a vague
Leftist with the Christian Pacifists,
the Pacifist Socialist Party, in
Holland, which has gathered in a strange grouping of Leftists. He has
and Algerians.
contacts with the Angolans. He goes to Algeria quite often. I have a feelin'
Curiel
he is somewhat connected with the Gift people. (Vinkenstraat 13"
Amsterdam
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Note
Tooldresse
(Augola Comite)
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CHANTRE
Michel
montoral P.Q., Canada,
Chartain xxx, you know. He is secretary general of the Partie Social-
iste de Quebec and is of course very much connected with the Cubans. And
has had a great deal of contact with American Negro groupsx of the Left.
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QLN, Congo, in Brazzaville. It's so open, and so obvious, you know.
Géreo 13777, Zonel
Foglu - of Ap. Deres 15332
They used to send
things
6 CUELLAR (Apartado la
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In Colombia, Alfonso Queila- this address is where they receive
Not (?)
special materials. Things that they think will get by the censorship.
These things came from peking. They came to Revolution.
Bogota
The one great advantage of Revolution was if one watched it closely
you could find i . at one time, not any more, but certainly in the arly
period, they weren't told by the Chinese to come there but they had
•
seen Revolution on sale.
(Orlando LINERO. Cable S6, no. 63-30, Bartanquilla, Colombia)
17
Colonia Anahuac Mexico D.F.
Federico Amery, was a Mexican settler, who had been in Peking and was
citizen
supposed to representing thet Mexican Marxist-Leninist group, the pro-
be
Chinese group. (Tizoc *19, Col. Anahuac, Mexico 17, D.F.)
**
Jurema Finamour, this poor Brazilian. who was involved in a most vague
way. Verges put this person's name- I don't know whether it is a man or
woman- think it's a woman- on the magazine, actually never received xxtxin
anything from her. I heard later that she was pro-Moscow, certainly not
pro-Chinese. She's probably in jail now, after the coup down there.
**ex exkuxkxx@xx
FALLOT
M. Jean Faye. This is the fellow who was Communist leader in the
still
Haute Loire, who is the only one who is still supposed to remain in contact.
Le Chambon sur Lignon, Haute ontv
Lignon, Haute onilfverybody knows Mrs.
The
•
Gunawardene
(P.O. Box 300, Jeph 245, Peking)
Gregoris Goldenberg, in Peking, is Chilean. He works, think he works,
Russians claim is parachuted everywhere.
(-7
inside of the Foreign Languages press. He is correspondent for El Mundo.
of Havana. At one time he was correspondent for the Cuban radio. He was
a very curious fellow. He wanted to set up a Spanish edition of Revolution
with Chinese money and offered to do this, when he came through Paris,
but about a year ago. Verges managed to avoid ever giving him any answer
on this. He actually offered to bring the money. for this.
Dan Su-yin. Very interested in the magazine. She seat
material from Cambodia and Verges does have some contacts in Cambodia,
Novodom Sihanouk
someone in the office of
Horda. 
A Frenchman, I think his name
is Mayer. He was close to the chief of state.
Hunton
Elpheus Hunter. V. A. Hunter. Anyone would know him in Accra.
indoubtedly Charles.
house in Phnom
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Meyer
Penk
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His group at the university of
told.
Masao KITAZAWA
Güent, which
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20 Muhomnei Said
no longer exists, so if■l'a
Flat 81. Carto
gan, was the Japanese representative to the Afro-
Assian Solidarity Conference
. He used to pass through Paris
quite
regularly. I don't think he is there any longer. Was much interested in
the magazine.
sometimes.
He used to use the paxx pseudonym of Walter Johasha
Ab
Corina
Karina?
Southwest Africa.
New York.
SWAPU
was one of the leaders of the Ape of
used to send in articles. I knew him personally from
has been going back and forth between Peking and also
East Germany and West Germany. He's playing all sides. on this Southwest
Africa thing.
Cozengizi
SWANU 57
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WY. is the head of Swami, the other Southwest Africa group.
(SWAN & SWAPU)
Kania
Thaxs They have a unity. once there was a struggle between Corina
Kozengizi
and Gochambing.
Renina
was virtually eliminated.
Kamna
Corina is an American agent,
Kasina
and so forth. The Last story that I heard about Corina was that he was
working for the Peace Corps in Bechuanaland. These are the stories that
Carina.
they circulated.
Corina has been unable to hold up his end of it. He is
hasn't helpt him at all. Coonambiza
kind of sulking. And violence
but it's
has embarrassed people i over and over- - monomania Pettis worked.
Abdul Rahim KARIM (1909 FINCHLEY Rd., Lond NW3)
special representative now, in London, for Verges.
He is in Singapore. His article on Malaysia, against Malaysia, was greatly
appareicated by the Indonesian government and a large number of copies
of the issue of Revolution which contained it were bought up and i twas
later reproduced. We received from Indonesian Embassies all around sub-
szxiptiaxx. orders for that issue. Subscriptions came from the UN, their
missions to the UN, perhaps here in London.
Julian
Acadamy
Science, P.O. Box 2848. Accta.
Tulf a dayfield, I in Ghana doesn't use this address as often as he used to.
because he is now editor of something called the African Review.
a new magazine..
It is
Phone 717032.
FM.MOLL-Amstelkade 157,
Now here's an interesting fellow- Kana,
Surinam
I aver quite figured him
out. He is a Raw Prom nationalist. in Amsterdam. He is close to almost
all the Left parties. there. He pret4nds to be Marxist but claims that he
dispute.
is not involved in the Sino-Soviet sekiem. He doesn't want anything to do
with that. That is the reason he never wrote anything for the magazine.
though I did see him. *
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Carlos Moore. I have no address for him. He is an Afro-Cuban boy
whom I first met in New York. He is in Paris and you might be able to reach
him through Presence Africaine. He xxppoɛedix was writing a book about Cuba
He was very much involved with Hobert Williams, with Malcolm X, he is
extremely young but very active in bady
He is of Jamaican
---
origin. There is a Jamaican minority in eastern Cuba, in Camaguey and
Oriente Province. That's how you get names like Moore, etc. His father and
brother live in New York, his
still in Cuba. He went back to Cuba
mother fis
after the Bay of Pigs, and went to school there. He became very disillusioned.
He left, claiming that there was racial discrimination and so forth in Cuba.
anyway anti-
He went to Cairo. He managed to get out, and he went on a Yugoslav ship,
I think or a Greek ship, and got to Egypt. He had met some Angolans.
waugh
of the UPA who had been in Havana and they took care of him for a while
until there was a split inside of the UPA, and the fellow who was there
X
quit and went to Switzerland. He brought Moore out to Switzerland. Then
Carlos wound up in Paris, where still is, to best of my knowledge.
He supposedly has written an article for Presence Africaine which is
violently counter-revolutionary.
He claims there is no revolution.
It's not terribly justified.
His position, is relatively bizarre.
But what I think is, that here is a case of Black Nationalism in the States
being transported to Cuba. What he claims is that the only Cuban revolution
that remains to be made that would be valid would be a black revolution.
and that really the population of Cuba is overwhelmingly black, or of African
descent, and that this has been a plot that has gone on for generations
even now fith Fidel Castro, particularly Dorticos, he claims, the white
leadership has been able to perpetuate itself regardless of the political
thing. This is his theme. He is interesting but extremely wild and emotional.
I think it's a case where the intoxication of Harlem never went off. Anyway
he might be worth talking to.
The Congress for Cultural Freedom people were going to try to get in
touch with him but they weren't any too convinced that his thesis was
correct. I don't think so. He claims of course that I am completely blinded
by my pro-Castro sympathies. He claimed that Williams was very unhappy for
racial reasons in Cuba. I thought that Williams was simply unhappy, Ho
couldn't speak Spanish. He was under pressurex from the American Communists
and Soveit Communists that didn't like him, the old Cuban Communists,
which was one of the reasons for his whole hearted tura towards Peking.
That was the only way out. And he wanted to come back to the States.
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werent
The FBI was in no mood- we could probably have arranged sumu±±‡ something
that is that he was a fugitive,
if the Federal thing xxx✰✰ going to be held against him, that Rockefeller
most likely
wouldn't extradite him "New York. There were talks on this. A bawyer by
the name of Conrad Lynn had discussed this trith, a Negro lawyer who was
a party called
connected with the Freedom Now
but with basically a Trotskyite front.
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Party, another Black Nationalist group,
S
WP
It was put up 99% by the PWP which was
one of the reasons for its failure. This lawyer was well aware of Williams's
desire to come back to the United States if he could stay out of the hands
of a North Carolina lynch mob. The one talks I had with the FBI people
convinced me that they were in no mood whatsoever, even though they realized
what the situation was.
(Pan Africa Press-P.O. 8164 - Pirits, Private Box 815 9.1
Pinto is a very curious fellow. Pinto is a man who is close to Kenyatta.
the
P
In Kenya, who has or is involved with ◄ Pan-African press, who is not hooked
up with Odinga, not openly in any case, but who is sort of playing all
sides, looking for hand-outs. I understand that he -received substantial
Sumo
help from Russia, so that he has shown more Muscovite color than any other.
48 Balcombe, Lond NW?
J.
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William Pomeroy is the American who was captured with the Huks in the
Philippines, you remember? He lives here in London, more or less retired
from politics except that he writes. That's how he earns his living.
But he depends more or less on the good graces of the British Labor Party
the Left of that party and the British Communist Party to stay here.
What he has to say about the failure of the guerrilla campaign in the
Philippines and the present Leftward turn in the Philippines
Progressive
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the Progressive Review.
· apparently ---
There is an outfit called the Philippine Review which I think we (Revolution)
gave publicity to- here it is-
It is connected
with Pomeroy. They are about as Communist as they can get under the present
XXE an
law of the Philippines. They have hopes of what they call the Anti-Imperialist
ground swell, in other words, an anti-American trend in the present govern-
ment. They felt that the anti-Malaysia campaign night help, and the editor
has been very much in contact with the Indonesians. He has been to Djakarta
on several occasions recently. He is in contact with Pomeroy. Pomeroy's
of what he says
position is one inwhich he has to be very careful because the British
Communists will dump him. His wife is Philippine. She can't get an American
visa, so they have to live here. This makes him the captive of a certain
part of the British Labor Left and the British CP. His book, The Forest,
was published here and in the States by Communist publishing houses.It is
an account of the guerrilla campaign in the Philippines, at least his
personal account, but he pointed out to me, that it is also an account of
its failures. He has tried to keep out of the Sino-Soviet thing but I have

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a feeling that if the situation in the Philippines changed both he and
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his wife would like to go back there. This is what he may be going (working
for) through his contacts with the Progressive Review. I don't knows how
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far they have contacts with the people inside the Philippinexx government
but they claim to have.
Shashikant P. 8 Mochar Canii, Dixit Rd, Bombay 57.
A Pastel
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was an Indian from Bombay who write several
among other things,
articles. He is a business man and I imagéhe a rather successful business
man. Heis in on the fringe of the Indian Communist Party and now involved
with the pro-Chineseving of the party.
R2
Endxgxfxndx Modhav Kunji Dan's Rd
Bombay 57
Frons 54F 3406
Strelkoff address - 151 Que. Sufrin, Paris 15,
Hiss C.J. SNETHLAGE
Nux-lage from Amsterdam is the head of the Cuba group. the com
-**
Cuba committee in Holland, She is very prominent in this Pacifist Socialist
has been to Cuba
Party. She is very
she is seventy-some, and very active. She
despite her advanced age
Torila SKARD, YO GOMNAES. C 14 Studentbyen, Odo
Sklaar
is a student leader in Norway. I think she
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now a member of Parliament. She did a lot of publicity for the magazine.
MOEC representation Peris
Dr. Leiva Samper-
a distinguished one.
He is a doctor, a cardiologist and seems to be quit
129 Rue de Tolic Fan 132
He is a heart surgeon.
leart
Schwartzenberg is my lawyer in baris.
SINE -35 de Crichy-pr. TRI 73-32.
Manuela SiXES
раст
Phone POR47-39
(hospital)
(uk.)
is a member of the Liberal Party, She's a standing
candidate for Ipswich, very pro-Cuban and pro-Algerian. She's got a lot
of influence inside the party because of who she sleeps with. I don't
know who it is, but I've heard an awful lot of stories.
Jose
Venturelli, Calla E, #158 1-B, ledade dvana
Havana, is a Venezuelan 
artist and member of
Terrelli
supposedly very very interested in the magazine.
He is a friend of Mxxens Martha Dodd, you may find on the cards the magazia
was going to him c/o Martha Dodd at the Havana Libre hotel.
direct
Martha Dodd had no contact with the magazine. She met reportedly had
taken quite a pro-Chinese position but to be so hopelessly compromised with
the Czechs and Russians that she can't say too much except en cachet, to
everybody she meets, especially young people. Whether this is her real
attitude or not, I don't know. She might also be doing this to gain the
There is no question that Veaturelli is her very
confidence of people.
close friend.
Costas
Veropolous (?)
is a student group leader from Greece, who
edited a Magazine in Greece called Africa Asia Latin America. It was a
apcut-down version of Revolution and represented for the Greek youth,
the left wing of the BG. EDA
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who were unsatisfied with the reformist tactics the Social democratic
D
tactics of the EGA and EDA# youth. He got in contact with the magazine
he wanted material to reproduce in Greek. I suppose he did. I took
one year of Greek and I know nothing of modern Greek, I could just about
make out the title.
Pierre Valley (3)
is a Canadian Communist who was setting up
a thing called Revolution Quebequoise. He was dissatisfied with Chartaia.
He had been ɛnks close to Chartain and he was going to be holier than
He worked for La Presse, which was on strike
Chartain.
Sydney 'NANASINGHE was a Celonese Trotskyist ia member of the tunth
Lanka Sama Maja
committee of the Lakicama Hamaya party before it split. the militant part
to 50 .. more likely 25
of it split. He distributed I think 25 coples of Revolution, each issue.
I understand that his group of the Trotskyists were more pro-Chinese
than the pro-Chinese wing of the
us to take their magazine in exchange.
Communist par
He tried to
That covers all of the real addresses that I have.
((At this poist let's take stock of you. Is your kid back in school?))
Yes.
((You're not under pressure))
No. Thank the Lord, I've got that off the hook for a little while.
22 (( You have largely answered the question- What is the function
of the Advisory Board of Revolttion))
Nothing more unless it was to give prestiger to the enterprise. This
is why it keeps growing larger and larger. First it started out as an
editorial board, then he changed the title, to advisory board. then he
calls it permanent collaborators. I don't know why. He claimed that
under French law you had only exemption from seizure if you were really
French - - now I do know what it was- - one issue of the magazine was
seized ia France. That was No. 7 which had Ho Chi Minh
on the
cover. It wasn't seized for Ho Chi Min but because of an article on
Reunion and the French West Indies. It was a platonic seizure, more in the
vay of a varning. The seizure order came down after the matazine had been
distributed. There were virtually no copies picked up-. Undistributed
and returned copies were seized but the money wasn't seized. That's about
the nicest way you can seize a magazine. It was a warning. And he felt
that an editorial board made of up of foreigners didn't give him enough
protection in France. That was the reason for changingx to permanent
ors
collaboration. :
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They certainly are quite active. For instance, the Colombian I mentioned-
I still can't think of his namet-- but his daughter was put in an Albanian
school. Poor girl, about eleven years old, and she didn't know a word of
Albanian and most of the Albanians didn't know Spanish. She has managed to
suffer through a year of it. & It is very interesting to talk to this
little girl, now about 12, She was in Cuba, where you might think of the
revolution as extremely informal lax in many ways easy-going. It's a
libertarian type of revolution. Certainly it hasn't had the puritannical
type of after-period that one finds in most revolutions, certainly in
and these the puritans in China which proves a great obstacle for the
Africans who go there. They are virtually unable to keep African students
because of the fact that there is no sex. They used to let them go to
HongKong and they would all come back with syphilis and gonorrhea to the
great disgust of the Chinese. This girl, who seemed to kiak like Cuba,
--
in Albania was shocked by the degree of formality of relationships and
for instance she said that at the beaches in Cuba all the beaches
were open, anybody can ±‡ go to the beach. In Albania they have, as I
suppose you find in many Communist countries, high officials, middle
officials, low officials and then just plain working people. (and
ODBIROTI). This to her was = (shocking). The wasn't aware of politics
as such and that is what made talking to her so interesting.
way,
((What do you think of Cuba nowadays?))
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one thing, that the PSC has virtually been defeated in every
the old Communists. I was very much involved, obviously, the Cubans
who were my friends ware Communists. I suppose that one of the things that
made the Cuban revolution attractive was that it wasn't doctrinaire.
are not
For Americans, college students, the young people, ** after all of the
years of disenchantment about revolution as such, the Cuban revolution
looked like a romantic thing. It was extravagant. All these bearded
fellows coming out of the mountains, and anyone who went to Cuba coulnd't
help but feel the contagion.nf
((I think there was a sympathetic feeling within the States because
it was not alien to our own revolutionary background, the idea of little
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menhiding behind trees shooting at the Redcoats.))
Eight. Only they were shooting at Batista's troops who were armed by
the United States. This is one of the things that many Americans are
unable to realize, how deeply involved the US is with these military regimes,
an academie
It has obviously been exploited from the point of view, but from the
popular imagination, we just don't think of it.
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The Fidelista youth were not Marxist. They are more so today than
they were before, but they have had this experience of dealing with the
United States
I have had a lot of arguments with them about it.
For instance when they came to the United States ini- 28 March of 59,
you remember, Felipe Pasos (?) came, Fidel went to Washington and he weat
to New York and it was extraordinarly badly handled. Christian Herter
wouldn't see him at the State Department. He insisted on taking a hotel
suite, rather than do that. Certainly it wasn't an official visit but
a lot of people have gone to Washington xxx. Then it was a question
•
•
of whether the Cubans wanted money or not. The Cubans claimed,
C
that they asked for $3,000,000 on short term credit, just a stop-gap
and that this was turned down cold. until they made some guarantees
about American property. From that point on I think that their attitude
towards the United States was one
expecting looking for the worse.
They were able to work out a few arrangements with xxfax American companies
concerning take-over. BAch time, they were vetoed by the State Department
or someone else, who said don't go into this, because we want to have a
solid front, no one should make an agreement with them otherwise.
It was provocation and counterprovocation. They would do something
then there would be American aktiem reaction, then a Cuban counterreaction
until it was real escalation, diplomatically, to the point at which it
fell completely into the hands of the Russians. That could have been
short-circuited and prevented. They really are not happy where they are
315-6-vis
now. They want some independence, of even the Soviet Union. Ideologically
they are not very happy with the Russians. They have managed though to
maintain incredible independence, not signing the nuclear test ban agreement,
they have never made any anti-Chinese statements at all, though Fidel
came very close-- he did in one of the statments where Kruschev mentioned
peaceful coexistence, and said that there had never been disagreement
with the Russians over the missiles .XXXXXXXX In actual fact they were
boiling. They were furious about the missile business. This left a bad
attempt
taste in their mouths. The Escalante business, you know the first thing
P
of the old % PSC going to take over and create a faction which would
displace the romantic revolutionaries, if you will. It failed but that
didn't mean that Carlos Rafael Rodriguez and more capable technocrats
inside the party didn't continue. They failed. Now Carlos Rafael who
had the highest place of the old Communists is out as you know. And almost
all of them went out at this point.
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I am always struck by
-
Grippa said, for instance, of Guillermo
Cabrera Infante, the Cuban Cultural Attache in Brussels, whom I know very
well, that: "he's an anti-Communist".
Which is true. He is a nationalist.
That's all. And that's the one thing that keeps him there. But he and
many of the people like Carlos Franqui and around Carlos Franqui and
Haidee Santamaria. her husband, who is the Minister of Education, they
are liberal, in their views about the arts, they are non-dogmatic, non-
doctrinaire, Leftist if you will, but Leftist by situation and circumstance,
They represent, if there is anyone in Washington who still has a sober
about Cuba and
mind/who is not completely filled with venon/or - and/frustration-
about Cuba, they would, I think, represent the real hope of reaching a
modus vivendi in the future. They are the real heirs, I think, the people
who will`take over. I do not think the PSC can do it. They have the mass
It is always said, that
..
support in the country behind them. If anything ever happens to Fidel
there is
and
about
d/the slightest suspicion that it was done by 2 Communist, there wouldn't
be a Communist left alive in the Island inffive hours. These were many
people who felt that the Communists would have liked to do this. At one
time it became almost a hysterical rumor spread around that the Communists
want to kill Fidel.
The bitterness that I found against the old Communists was because
they were compromised with Batista. Even now, this explains their pro-
Chinese stand. But that can't go very far, either. Because they are not
The Chinese have been extremely flexible in dealing with
doctrinaire.
Cuba
-
they can't offer them very much - and they can't push them, so
The handling of the October
they have been easy-going.
crisis between the Russians and the United States when they got kinx
together over the heads of the Cubans, was an insult. Being a small country
and semi-colonial, It was a colony, it has an exaggerated sense of
its
Anational rights. This was, in terms of Cuba, not the worldxxkatx=fx&xbx,
situation in general, for the
permaps.
it was the only way to
solve the October question, it seemed to be the only way, but in the terms
of Cuba that was one of the grave mistakes of the Russians. The way the
handled it. They didn't seem to soften the blow for the Cubans.
((They're very sensistive people.))
Right. And they've never forgotten it. They have nourished lots of
hopes about De Gaulle and the possibility of trade with France. Trade is
increasing, but they've tried desperately to get DEGaulle to visit Cuba
which he wouldn't do. He would do lots of things against Washington, but
there are certain limits (laughing), and that's one of them.
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I know that's one of the things in back of their minds, in Paris.
about,
Every French delegation to Havana, even one just recently, I heard thxt
Fidel went around saying■- why doesn't De Gaulle come and visit us.
not the Communist,
*There is a Gaullist group, France -Cuba (?)
but
there is a Communist organization, There is also one inside of the
concerned with Cuba
government party and they have made recommendations for increasing trade.
One of the things also encouraged is the increase of Spanish trade.
Ironically one of the heroes of Cuba is Franco, because he continued
I have a feeling that the Spanish
and they say you know. When we into madondance is never any ruble from the atte
russies. They 
behave threats."
trade
attitude has some influence on the French. I would imagine that they hope
that eventually this will be communicated to the West Germans.
Cuba certainly, I feel, if they did have sxzkaiɛɛx diversification of
trade and an opening horizon - because so many problems with the United
government or
States become emotional problems that no matter what the head of the
State wants to do, you've got the problem of how to put it before the
Congress and public opinnon, which has been so sensitized to it that this
is the problem of American statesmanship that you don't have in any other
the proate! "
but even he wouldn't go beyond a certain
places. De Gaulle for angle, an
point.
Another thing, Algeria. Probably only DeGaulle cold have reached a
settlement.i
((In two minutes, that's your prognosis for future xD US-Cuban
relations.))
It depends very much on the United States. I think, I know, there are
elements in Cuba who are more than willing. But they don't want to be
pushed. The trouble is that when a Cuban talks to America, the next question
is "when øre you going to get rid of the Red regime," or something like that
That is the end of six the dialogue. I would inxguintxikxx imagine that it
would have to be through talks. I understand this is one thing thatthis
Carlos Moore, the Afro-Cuban boy who is extremely anti-revolutionary-
-
-
Cuban-
he says he wants a real revolution. He worked in the Foreign Ministry
What he
was
at one time. He used to claim that Dorticos and pupa people around
Dorticos are very very anxious for a rapprochement with the United States.
That they would love to have contact. I certainly know that Dr. Roa, Foreign
Minister, wanted somehow to have contacts, more direct contacts. He kıs
had a problem too, that in public he couldn't say anything, and whenever
he was in New York he was boxed in.i
((I don't want to start a debate but you say that the when are you
going to get rid of the Red regime-- this is the a reflection of the
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Similarly, isn't
sensitivity that you spoke about. ismizzzezżży the Cuban population
sensitized in such fashion as to come up with a comparably provocative and
and dialogue-ending remark.))
the
It seems a little bit less. One of the problems is that of Cuban
immigration. There isn't in Cuba, to the best of my knowledge, a broad
anti-Americanism. Always in even in Fidel's speeches, he makes a distinction
between the American government and the American people. Than There is
of guiscation
a very open nuance about the Cuban counter-revolutionaries. They may
"
be counter-revolutionaries but they also happen to be uncles, cousins,
nephews, and almost everybody has some one among them, from Fidel on down.
((The exiles in Miami and elsewhere))
That's right. They are relatives. Just as the treatment for instance
***
Rob
of the people at the Bay of Pigs- which was extraordinary. In many countries
haj me they would have been in our country, they would have taken them all ou
and shot them. There they weren't allowed to beat them; they said they
*Retxantire) want
"had been misled" and so forth. This xxxxf@xxxxx really for
propaganda, this was a feeling. I have seen it happen over and over again
They might shoot someone. They did, they shot three people, a Batista
sergeant and some others. It was an incredible gaffe *x*x*xad to include
among these people an old Batista torturer. He was shot and so much protected.
I have been told by people who have been there recently that you have only
to say that you are an American to get a sympathetic audience around you
immediately. People want to discuss with you, why did they do this, that.
You see they can hear Miami. They listen to the American radio all the
time, and they listen to Radio SWAN. I heard Radio SWAN in Cuba. Radio
SWAN MASXA was a CIA radio operated off of Swan Island off of Nicaragua.
[actually nonduras]
and island which is claimed by Nicaragua but in actual fact is possessed
[turn]
by the United States (laughing). The Nicaraguans have never been able to
persuade us to leave. We just have some sailors on it. They built this
enormous sadio which broadcast to Cuba. It wasn't an official radio. It
was called Radio SWAN. It was a CIA operation. It was so crude, it was
really pathetic, the type of thing-- people are starving, that type of
thing. Now this was directed at Cuba and when you have propaganda like
**t it is very little that can be confirmed. You say people are
starving, and they are able to go out and buy something. There was a lot
of racist material in there about Congolese troops stationed in Central
There were no Congolese troops. This short of attitude came out
later. During the time of the Bay of Pigs operation they okuduę na
the press releases vera innvadihia
that
Cuba.
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going to be Machiavellian, my God you don't do it like that, you know.
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The best propaganda is the one that comes closest to the truth, that
just slightly goes off, you don't have to push the point.
--
In any case, I do feel that there are an enormous number of people
in Cuba and inside of the government, particularly among the old 26th
to make
of July maxanaxxx people, who would be they don't want a a capitulation
to the United States. They want an independent government. They would
like trade. They would like to get out of the dependence on the Soviet
Union such as it is. They have managed to keep from being swallowed up
by the Russians just enormous effort on their part.
Do you
by
((Xem think that both sides have committed themselves so far that
it is impossible to have any kind of rapprochement or normalization of
relations without a feeling that one sidd or the other or both, had been
forced to capitulate?))
I think as one print this was foue, but
I should have made one point. if I don't think it's true any more.
there has been
in
ע.
To a certain extent recent months kxxuxbrangkt a sort of cooling down
in Cuban'-American relations, though there have been continued charges
abut Venezuela, and it is certainly true thaxs that the Cubans were
encouraging the Venezuelan FALN. They certainly gave financial support
not so much in the way of arms, I think, but money, and in a guerrilla
campaign you get your arms anyway from the police and the army, from
the army that's surrounds you. That's the easiest way.
I have the feeling, nevertheless, that the Cubans are somewhat
disappointed, disillusioned, about their ability to agitate these
revolutionary groups elsewhere in Latin America, their ability to carry
any effective revolution,
out x■xsł¤‡ά¤¤¤XXXXXXBXsxjust as the Alliance of for Progress has proved
to be a great disappointment to many people in Washington so has the Cuban
open solidarity with other, almost any, revolutionary movement in Latin
America, proved a disappointment.
On the other hand, the Cubans are not going to issue a statement saying
export revolution.
in
that we will not zÉXXBXBÌUXİnsx Certainly the first years of the (Cuban)
did some
revolution, they had become extremely insane things,
with expedition to
Haiti, expedition to Santo Domingo, expedition to Panama, remember, and
Amstafolly in lifective.
they had to send people in to Panama to get them to surrender. The
people in Santo Domingo were just slaughtered. In Haiti they were slaugtered.
also.
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((Probably got them by Black magic in Haiti))
A messy situation. On the other hand, every once in a while Duvalier
makes overtures. He's not beyond anything.
Well, if you want to get in touch with me again, you have only to
give me a call. I don't imagine that anything much will happen. If I'm
not there just say that Barl called, or something like that. But do avoid
giving this address or telephone number. I imagine with my wife working
Tunisians
now for the Indonesians
down
((It would be someone else ansvering))
де.
It would be thaxnxdx I dont think I'm quite going to set up shop
Labedziem
Leo Labedz Lightlamly.
((Again, I do appreciate your cooperation))
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1. Transmitted herewith is one copy of the cards that
constitute the mailing list for Revolution. These were borrowed
from Richard GIBSON and copied in the station. GIBSON's wife,
who compiled the cards and was responsible for distribution of
Revolution (and to whom, therefore, they more properly belong)
is not aware that GIBSON has "loaned" the cards out. They
were returned to GIBSON's flat the same day he brought them in
for copying.
2. We have not made any attempt to count them. There are
several thousand. A few comments will be in order about some of
the marks and notations that appear on the cards.
3. One general category is "Promotional".
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The first
bunch of sheets about twenty, it appears - are in this category.
They are marked "Promotional" or "FR". These were sent out gratis
either to induce publicity, or to encourage new subscribers, or
to make friends happy. (Presumably, Robert WILLIAMS and several
others are in this category).
Those
4. Thereafter, the cards run in categories of one sort
or another, with given countries generally lumped together.
where the address was obviously stapled onto a card are some of
those that were taken from Frene GINWALA's Spearhead mailing list.
Some are marked "ex-Spearhead"; which means that the name came from
the Spearhead list, and the person subsequently subscribed on his
own, after a little promotional treatment.
5. The coded symbols, unfortunately, GIBSON could not
explain, since this was his wife's territory, rather than his own.
The first set of letters obviously refers to the country (e.g., UK/).
Other numbers and letters are not clear. The name that appears
apart from the name of the subscriber usually indicates who arranged
the subscription (this may be an agent, or something like a gift
subscription). For instance, S. V. LEE is Sheldon LEE, who handles
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some subscriptions. Expiration dates are obvious.
merely means that someone ordered a subscription directly,
himself, rather than through an agency.
6. Any further questions relating to the list can be
included in any subsequent contacts with (TBSON: if they merit
inclusion, and if it seems likely that he will know the answers.
7. We note that the list's accuracy cannot be guaranteed,
especially after the time when the GIBSON's parted ways with
Jacques VERGES.
8. At some time, the SMOOTHERS may sak us for this list.
We would appreciate being advised as to whether Headquarters
would like us to acknowledge having it.
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1. IN ADDITION QUESTION THIRTY-SIX REF B, WE PRIMARILY INTERESTED
REQUIREMENTS.
IN DESCRIPTION GIBSON'S CURRENT CUBAN CONTACTS AS BASIS FOR FOLLOW UP
SPECIFICALLY HAS G BEEN IN TOUCH RECENTLY WITH ANY
CUBAN OFFICIALS WHO SUPPLIED INFO ON CUBAN INTERNAL SITUATION, STRUGGLE
BETWEEN CASTRO AND OLD COMMUNISTS, STABILITY OF CUBAN REGIME, OR CUBAN
SOVIET RELATIONS?
2. BELIEVE PROBING INTO HISTORY G RELATIONS WITH CUBA AND FAIR
PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE SHOULD BE AVOIDED AT OUTSET SINCE THIS APPEARS
TO BE AREA WHERE HE MOST SENSITIVE ABOUT GIVING POTENTIALLY SELF
INCRIMINATING INFO AND FURTHERMORE OF MARGINAL VALUE.
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and
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American agents, It makes them Chinese agents. It's just a
matter of who can produce. Africa is full of poor people. Just as the
Negro community in the United States is full of poor people.
Poor people don't have any sense of loyalty in the ordinary sense of
the word. They have a sense of loyalty to their poverty, and colonial
experience also mixed in
nation-hood. the national sense
is extremely weak.
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colonial' power, that's all¿ma
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about him))
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1 to 3 in the morning, and he was terribly afraid that somebody would hir
Think
he was a Communist. I tried to assure him I didn't think he was a
Communist no matter what (laughing),
((Did he have anything to do with the magazine))
None, because the magazine, while Verges was there in Algiers,
Viriato da Cruz changed his position, the magazine
when
and up until
Equid fellow
was following the MPLA and only changed about with/Viriator changed from
the MPLA to the UPA.
Roberto
Holden went to China and I suppose he
geve
the Chinese some guarantees
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but I don't know.
((Mario d'Andrade),
He is the active Secretary
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I don't know his official, title- of
the MPLA, an
MPLA and 
represents another tendency different from Dr. Nukem Neto
is the President. He had contacts with Revolution and with Viriato da
Cruz. He sought to get Viriato to come back to the MPLA. He is a poet
also. They are all poets. They are all former students in Portugal.
The last time he came through Paris, he s After Viriato published
his article, in Revolution, he asked for the right of reply which was
granted by Verges but he never wrote the article. He could be said to be
Neto
much more pro-Soviet than pro- (Chinese) if anything. I think that Andradi
and Audunda 414
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1. On 11 February KUBARK Staff Agent Errol S. KULPA, who had
contact with GIBSON in 1363-64, listened to reference tape and made
the following comments, which may be helpful to Katzenbach. KULPA
felt that the GIBSON that he was hearing on the tape had indeed
changed rather radically since the last time KULPA had any contact
with him or the Revolution. KULPA remembers GIBSON as anti-white
and probably (because of this racial orientation) anti-U.S. KULPA
is therefore quite suspicious of GIBSON's motivations and advises
that extreme precaution be taken in the handling of GIBSON.
2. KULPA's view of Gibson's motivations:
KULPA has strenuous doubts as to any idealogical motivation
on the part of GIBSON. He recognizes the obvious monetary
motivation and feels that this probably plays a large part
in the man's being willing to talk to ODYOKE.
Another very
possible motivation is GIBSON's disaffection with VERGES.
Parenthetically, KULPA added that in Algiers and probably in
Paris, GIBSON was really nothing more than a name that VERGES
wanted on the masthead. GIBSON's primary duties as "editor"
were probably in the area of translation. In light of this
KULPA feels that perhaps some legitimate information of value
can be obtained in the area of the Revolution. Again, paren-
thetically, it might be noted that KULPA felt that GIBSON
was not as "idelistic" as his wife. Where GIBSON might adhere
to the aspects of Marxism-Leninism that called for revolutionary
change (probably because of his dissatisfaction with a world
in which the black man had to endure a certain amount of
discrimination), he is not a strict doctrinaire in any of
his beliefs. On the other hand, KULPA pointed out that
GIBSON's wife (who by the way is a Central European by birth--
not British) is idealistic in the sense that she feels her
brand of leftism must be internally and idealogically
consistent. (This is why she objected to GIBSON's writing
for Encounter and why she probably would get upset if she
knew exactly what type of game her husband was currently
playing with ODYOKE.)
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TAPE, FOR USE KATZENBACH DEBRIEFING GIBSON (G):
1. G SPEAKS ABOUT VERGES CONTACTS WITH FLN FEDERATION OF
FRANCE AND FACT THAT $75,000 WAS FUNDED TO HIM THROUGH THE
FEDERATION FOR REVOLUTION. WOULD BE INTERESTED IN G'S DETAILED
COMMENTS ON THE PRESENT ORGANIZATION OF ALGERIANS IN FRANCE:
LEADERSHIP, TIES WITH BEN BELLA, TIES WITH ERSTWHILE ALGERIAN
OPPOSITION, TIES TO VERGES, SOURCE OF FUNDS, HOW MUCH SENT TO
ALGERIA IN FORM OF REMITTANCES.
2.
ENCOURAGE G TO TELL MORE ABOUT HIS WIFE, HIS WIFE'S
CONNECTIONS WITH RABAH BITAT AND LATTER'S WIFE, HER POLITICAL
IDEAS AND ANTECEDENTS.
3. "VERGES HAS DEBTS AMOUNTING TO MORE THAN $30,000”.
CAN G GIVE US A BREAKDOWN, ESTIMATE?
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WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE G TALK ABOUT HIS CONTACTS
WITH ALGERIAN AMBASSADOR CHANDERLI IN GREATER DETAIL. WHAT
FAVORS DID HE DO FOR CHANDERLI AND VICE-VERSA.
5. ANY INFORMATION ON ORGANIZATION, PERSONALITIES AND
ACTIVITIES OF LATIN AMERICAN BUREAU BRUSSELS. ANY INDICATION
THIS BUREAU INVOLVED IN TRAINING OF LATIN AMERICANS IN ALGERIA?
INFORMATION ON RELATIONS OF VERGES WIFE WITH ALGERIANS
6.
BITAT AND KHIDER.
7.
INFORMATION ON REVOLUTION BUREAUS ABROAD. HOW WERE
STAFFS CHOSEN?
WHAT ARE THEIR FUNCTIONS, OVERT AND COVERT?
Johan Casiveer
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Debriefing of bichare I. GLESON -Irausattes of Requirements
ACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES
Ref: OKLA
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1.
Forwarded as enclosure are requirements for the debriefing of
Subject. Together with the requirements is a KUDESK narrative on
VERGES-ANDERSSON-Revolution complex for the background information
of Katzenbach. Further background on Revolution can be found, if
you have not already done so, in the following dispatches:
OKLA
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OELW 20,852, 16 Dec '63
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2. We have not yet had time to review the tape of your first
session with Subject forwarded with Reference, nor do we expect to
get a transcription completed in time to reach you by 15 February.
The list of names attached to Reference indicate considerable know-
ledgeability on the part of Subject as well a tendency to pour out
his knowledge in a sort of stream of consciousness style. We fear
that, if given the opportunity, Subject will take the bit in his
teeth and as much money as he can in his hot little hands and be
off and running. To prevent this we would like to suggest that the
debriefing be set up on a tightly organized, businesslike basis.
would probably be advisable to write up the terms in a Letter of
Agreement contract for Subject's signature before getting started,
making sure to include a paragraph in which ODYOKE's obligations
and promises are limited to the terms specifically enumerated in the
document. We think that any meaningful debriefing will take 3 - 5
days, and there is good reason to believe that Subject will have
* information of sufficient interest to justify this expenditure of
Case Officer time. We do not foresee any long range operational
relationship with Subject. While we look at the debriefing as
basically a one-shot proposition there will probably be follow-up
questions and, perhaps, specific action requests, requiring a later
contact. Therefore, the communication 'channel to Subject should be
left open on a "don't call us, we'll call you” basis.
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3. In line with the need to put the debriefing on a businesslike
(rather than a "flexible") basis, it might be a good idea to start
by getting Subject to supply a personal history statement from the
time of his first entry into leftist political movements to the
present day. (This can be presented to Subject as a basis for us
to formulate meaningful questions, not as any sort of personal
"confession" on his part.) In addition to providing us with a
check on his veracity, this will set the stage for a debriefing
conducted on KUBARK's terms, not Subject's. It is important that
it be made clear to Subject at the outset that we want facts, not
speculation, commentary and analysis.
4. Please charge payments to Subject for the debriefing to
Acct. Nr. 5137. 1468 (Hqs. LCHARVEST OOA). Three hundred dollars
for the initial 2 hours talk with Subject is on the steep side.
We were thinking in terms of $700 for five days debriefing with a
bonus for a copy of the Revolution mailing list.
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Wils ANDERSSON, Swedish-born resident of Switzerland, heads a
printing and publishing establishment ("Editions la Cite") in Lausanne,
said to have been set up in 1957 for the printing and distributing of
Chinese literature. (This ties in with other information that the firm
was established in Switzerland during the Algerian var in order to
publish printed matter banned in France.) Since 1963 the firm had been
responsible for the English-language edition of Revolution, but in 1964
the printing of the English-language edition was transferred to Paris
where Revolution's main office is located. Swiss authorities had ordered
ANDERSSON to cease publication of Revolution.
Its
Revolution has had a complicated history. It is descended from
African Revolution which first appeared in early 1953 in Algeria.
editor, Jacques VERGES, is a former member of the French CP who broke
with that party over the Algerian question. After YERGES, who briefly
headed African Revolution, had a falling out with Algerian officials
later in 1963, and left that country, he began a new publication in
Switzerland using the facilities of the already established ANDERSSCH
firm. His new publication was called Revolution, sometimes known as
Revolution - Asia, Latin America, Africa. (The Algerians continue to
publish African Revolution, which has no known connection with Revolution.)
Initially both the English and French editions of Revolution were handled
17 ANDERSSON's firm, but the publishing operations of the French edition
vere very soon moved to Paris. Later the trinting, too, of the French
edition was moved to Paris and only the English edition continued to be
printed in Switserland. VERGES and the main offices ware located in Paris.”
Currently ANDERSSON is reported to publish Octobre, which is
described as the organ of an organization in Switzerland called the
*Centre Lenine." Both Octobre and the Centre Lenine are said to be con-
trolled by ANDERSSON, but very little information is available about either.
The Centre has been described as a prepaganda arm of the Chinese Communists.
There is some indication that they also have some commection with pro-
Chinese dissident elements of the Spanish CP.
ANDERSSON's firm has also printed Mundo Obrero Revolucionario (MOR),
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Although the English edition was crinted in Switzerland, its editorial
office was also in Paris, headed by Richard GIBSON, merican negro. In
late May and early June 1964 when it was already apparent that Swiss
authorities were going to close down the printing of Revolution in that
- country - GIBSON and Alexandre STRELKOFF went to The Netherlands seeking
a firm there to print and distribute the English-language edition. It is
not known why this effort was made instead of transferring the printing
directly to Paris as was ultimately done.
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the clandestine publication of a major pro-Chinese Spanish Communist
group called the Partido Comunista Revolucionario. In view of recent
reports that the MCR group may merge with one or more of the other
dissident Spanish Communist groups and that a joint organ will be
published, MOP may soon cease (or may already have ceased) publication.
What role ANDERSSON may play in new publication efforts of the pro-
Chinese Spanish dissidents is not known.
The clandestine leadership of the Partido Comunista Revolucionario
has been located in Lausanne, Switzerland, with some representation also
in Faris, but this group has apparently been receiving Chinese financial
assistance through the GRIPPA party in Belgium. Another mo-Chinese
Spanish group in Switzerland, the Cposicion Revolucionario Comunista
located in Geneva, has been publishing La Chisna. The Chisca group
has reportedly been receiving funds from the Chinese Embassy in Pern.
Still another pro-Chinese Spanish group, the Agrupacion Comunista
Proletario, has been publishing Proletario, apparently from Paris but
with some representation also reported in Belgium. While the group
has apparently had some contact with GRIFFA in belgium, the Paris-based
group at one time at least appeared to be sponsored or aided by VERGES.
(CRIPPA has played an active role in trying to bring the different
Spanish dissident groups to a merger.)
The relationship between GRIPPA and ANDERSSON, GRIPPA and VERGES,
and VERGES and ANDERSSON is anything but clear. Some part of the
confusion may result from GRIPPA's driving efforts to function as the
director of Chinese political operations in Europe, and to try to bring
the activities of others under his control.
a. GRIPPA was once reported to have said he had "lost
confidence" in Revolution. Among his reported reasons was a
belief that VERGES wanted to be designated absolute leader in
Europe for the "revolutionary movement.". Somewhat later GRIPFA
was reported as saying that the Chinese were no longer subsidizing
Revolution and that it was now being backed by Faris editor
Francois MASPERO.
b. GRIFFA or his aides also appear to have been responsible
for stories circulating among some pro-Chinese European dissidents
that ANDERSSC had been written off by the Chinese as a "Trotskyite."
GRIFPA has also been quoted as saying that the printing of MCR
would be transferred from Lausanne to Belgium and to GRIPPA's own
publishing facility. (This is not known to have taken place.)
c. There have been reports, unexplained, that there is bad
blood between VERGES and ANDERSSON.
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Life story, with particular coverage of the founding of his firm ' Aditions
la Cito” in Switzerland. Dates, contacts, financing. Biographie data
also on als whío.
Detalle on "Centre Lenine" and its publication Getobre, Way founded,
by whom, bow financed, prosent activities?
Detalis of relationship between ANDERSSON and the MOR group of diseláent
Spanish Communists. How were they put in contact wish each other, boa la
MOR printing financed? Does ANDERSSON play any role vis-a-vis other
Spanish dissident groups7
Methods and channels by which he has contact with the Chinese Communiste?
Full detalls on the relationship between ANDERSSON and VERGES, past
and present?
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How is "Revolution" financed? We should like to have the whale funding
eltuation described; amount of sapport, from what sources, method of
transmittale, payment of editorial and publication costs,
Life story of VERGES, wita particular coverage of ported 1968 to presens.
Who invited him to Algorta in 1953, why did de quarrel with the Algerians?
Who directed him to ANDERSSON la Switserland, why did Revolution's main
affico move to Parks? D VERGES live in Switzerland in 1963.
for how long?
Where and
Why was the English-language ecision continued with ANDERSSON's firm?
Biographie data on members of editorial staff.
Be What is the magazine's polley toward the use of stringer correspondents?
10. Relationship of VERCLS to pro-Chiness dissident spanish factions, in
particular the group pablishing Proietario,
11.
Any lafo en the mechanics of international distribution of Revolution. Hew.
are mailing lieta complied? Use of foreign distributors? (NOTE: We are
keenly interested in procuring a copy of the mailing list.
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12. Methods and channels by which VERGES has contact with the Chinese
Communists or any others who currently provide blm with backing,
13. With whom does VERGES associate most closely la Paris?
14.
With which Algerians is VERGES in contact today. How and where le
this contact maintained?
15. Discreet probing on STRELKOFF and his orientalisa and sponsorship la
also indicated.
16.
17.
What are the functions of the advisory board of Revolution? Were members
chosen by Verges? How do they communicate with VERGES?
What guldanes if any do the financial sponsors of Revolution give the
editorial staff? Do they supply packaged articles > Who decides what
articies are to be used in the different language editions?
18. Complete review of GIBSON's relationship with Verges. When and where
did they meet, under what circumstances? what briefing did Verges give
GIBSON concerning the purposes, sponsorship and line of Revolution?
19.
What exactly were the duties of GIBSON in Paris and Lausanne on Revolution?
28. Does "Revolution" grant reprist authorisation? If so, do you know ed any
publications that have carried "Revolution" material ?
21. What is the source of photographs used by the magasino?
CRIPPA
12. Explain his relationship to other pre-Chinese dissident factions la Western
European CPs. Is he in contact with VERGES? With ANDERSSON? Detalls..
23. Why was GRIPPA not asked to assist in finding a new printer for the English
edition of Revolution?
24. Has he ever made any financial contributions to VERGES or ANDERSSON?
FRONT GROUPS
25. All information available on Lisael Morrison, including biographic data,
current status of Gibsen-Morrison relationship.
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26. All information available on the Afro-Aslan Journalists Association, head-
quartered in Caire. Piote, an AAJA conference is slated for March in
Algiers).
a. Identify any of the individuals foutside of Morrison) commected with it.
b. Identify say AAJĀ contacts in Europe or Africa,
27. Any Information on the structure, plans, fluancas or personalities of the
Pan African Journalist's Union, headed by Kofi Baatsi, and headquartered
la Accra.
28. Any knowledge of the International Organisation of Journalists, beadquartored
la Prague. Has GIBSON, met any of its officials, or attended any of its
meetings.
29. Any direct knowledge of the officers, employees, proceedures etc, ef
Prensa Latina offices in Europe.
30. Any knowledge of the officers and operations of the NCNA offices la Herope
and North Africa?
M. Any ceatact with representatives of, or any knowledge of the propaganda
operations of the NYLSY (National Freat for the Liberation of South Vietnam),
which has an office la Algiers?
M. Knowledge of any officers or national leaders of the World Peace Council in
Noth Africa or Europe?
Carribean
33. Any current or past contacts with Caribbean revolutionaries? Describe,
14. Info en the present status of the Mouvement de Liberation pour la Zane des
Caraibes (MLZC), which has been mentioned by name in the Economist.
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35, We are interested in the present stage of organization or disorganisation of
the MLCZ (which has not been heard from for almost two years) and any
other info available on the coordination of the anti-colonial struggle in the
·Caribbean; especially involvement of Gubaas, Algerians, Soviets, Trotskyists,
others. (5se attached dispatch, OCOW-6712, for background on the MLGS.}
36. Does Revolution receive Cuban assistance? Specifically what is the nature :
of the relationship with Revolution in Havana? Contact with Carlos FRANQUI?
Miscellaneous Leftist Groups
37. Describe relationship, and persons involved, of Revelation with the New Len
Review and the Movement for Colonial Freedom in Great Britain. (These
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How?
38. Any tafe on GIBSON contacts with members of the pro-Chinese Comanssi st
Party of Switserland Kormerly dissident PDT of Montreux).
39. DIA GIBSON or any other member of the Revolution staff over have dealings
with Michael RAPTIS (aka "Pablo'') or any of his group? Describe la
detail.
40. Any info on the Red Flag and that monthly's editor John Llewellyn DAVIS.
Describe contacts between the DAVIS group and Revolution.
41. Any info en, comtacia with, the Du Bois group in Ghana? Hammer and
Steel in Boston?
Switzerland
What American contacts did GIBSON maintain in Lausanne and surroundings,
particularly with young stadants in the area? Any Arab contacts?
Describe the Party mechanism to which you belong, if nay, in Switserland.
Indentify the individuals involved, meeting places.
Personal Contacts
Biographic data, including current addresses and activities and –
the status of your relationship with the following individuals and/or groups
would be appreciated:
46. Maurice SINE, cartoonist. Elle past and present role, Arst in Revolutica
Africaine and then Revolution. Others in Express crew fe.g. STRELKOV}
who went to Algeria? Ind all return to France?
45. Do you know any Americans attending the subversive/cabotage school ka
Prague? Any info on this institution and the indentities of participants would
be much appreciated.
46. Restigede AINSLIE (London).
'47. Mme. Mirbelo MESTRE (Paris) Replationsal p to VERGES group,
48. 7.E.L. DROKHAL, Rev. barcas man in Nigeria.
49. Hamna ALAVI. Former editorial board who reportedly resigned his post.
Circumstances of his resignation? Current position? Revoistica Editerial
Beard Members:
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53. Demba HALLO
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54. Martin VALDES
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96. Maciana Abdul Hamid DHASHANI
ST. Marces FERRER
58. Frems GINWALA, Ead Africa residing in London.
59. Carles LANCA and Patricia Motossa PINHEIRO, reported to be Lanca's
wife, in Algeria? Any other current Algerian contacts?
60. Muhamed KAREI, who replaced VERGES as editor of Beveintios Africaine,
64. Robert WILLIAMS (America to Peking}
68. Mahamed MULDER. Was his departure from Algeria sulated in any way to
the depoture of VERGES?
63. Sub Sahara Africana, particularly ta Galacs, Mali and Chana, with pre-
ChiCom links or sympathies.
64. Holdem ROBERTO (Angola)
63. Mario DeAndrade (Angela)
66. Michael TABATA (South Africa)
´67. Francsis MASPERO, Paris publ” sher of Partisan. How financed?
Andre BELGE. Any connection with Ber. ?
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Latin America
10. Background circumstances leading to the decision to publish Rovelation
in Spanish in Bogota,
7. Biographic info on Cesar PALACIOS P., described as editor of the
Bogota edition.
Th. Mario ARANGO, Director of the Bogota edition.
73. Is it intended to publish a Spanish edition of Revolution in other cities in
Latin America? Are any other foreign editions planned?
74. Are articles translated into Spanish in Europe and then sent to Begeta, or
is the translated work done in Bogots.
73. How and through whom is the Spanish language edition of Revolucion
Ananced. Detalls.
76. Mographic info on Jurema FINAMOUR, bureau man in Brasil.
ChiCom Contacs
77. Did you have any contact with the New China News Agency? If so, explain
the nature of the relationship and persons with whom you dealt.
75. In the course of your editorial activities did you mast any Chinese Communists?
If so, please provide information on the individuals with whom you had contact.
79. Any taula on contacts by VERGES and/or other Revolution staff members with
MCNA representatives or ChiCom diplomats in Paris or Bera.
80. An account of GIBSON's time in Algiers when he worked sa Revolution
Africaine would be useful. Also, circumstances under which GIBSON west
to Algiers and then to Switzerland to start English-language edition.
With whose funds?
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1. Transmitted herewith are copies of JAGUAR's latest report on Richard
Thomas GIBSON, which they compiled for us on being informed of our current
operational interest in him. We expect that further information will be
forthcoming since, as previously noted, they have instituted additional
coverage of GIBSON's activities.
2. JAGUAR refer us to their previous reporting on GIBSON, which has
been contained in their reports on Revolution. These include OBL-36, 105(29
August 1963); OELA-40,542(15 April 1964); CELA-41,545 (10 September 1964);
OBL-39,251(24 September 1964); CELA-4:,788 (20 Cctober 1964).
3. JAGUAR also point out that the paper contains information received
from a number of secret sources, and they request that we not give it any
distribution beyond KUBARK without consulting them, unless, of course, we
have the information from other sources. JAGUAR have made a copy available
to ODEVY London.
4. JAGUAR also informed us orally that the persons they suspect to have
played a most prominent role in the 1963 charges of GIBSON'S CIA affiliation -
the two persons referred to in para 3 of their paper - were Rosalynd AINSLIE
and Patricia KeGOWAY. JAGUAR gave us this information informally and off the
record. It is interesting to note that, in Ref, GIBSON agreed that AIESLIE
was one but made no mention of MoGOWAN.
5. GIBSCH spoke of the affair of JAGUAR's para 3 (a) at some length,
giving a rather different interpretation, however. Paras 3 (b), (c), and (d)
are rather more speculative.
6. JAGUAR also told us, informally, that some of their information on
GIBSON, as contained herein, derives from some of his correspondence. The
implication is not that JAGUAR has been reading GIBSON's mail, but that, by
intercepts or penetrations, they have been reading the mail of some of the
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7. As a belated footnote to Ref, we learn that JAGUAR had previously
Mentified the rice inter op Hila ANDERSON ( 0-39,251, 24 September
1964).
8. JAGUAR informed us on 26 January that GIBSCW had requested (prior
to 23 January) a one-month extension of his residence permit, to enable him
to make his proposed Buropean trip and return to the U.K.
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Richard Thomas GIBSON
Born: Los Angeles on 13.5.31
Address: 30, Stockleigh Hall,
Frince Albert Road, London, N.W.8.
GIBSON has been connected with the pro-Chinese Communist publication
"Revolution" and its predecessor, "African Revolution", at least since
April, 1963. He made available the following information about himself as
part of a publicity campaign planned for "African Revolution" in the first
half of 1963:-
2.
1951-52:
1955-58:
1958:
1959-60:
worked in Rome for the Mediterranean News
Bureau of the "Christian Science Monitor";
editor with the English language service of
"Agence France Presse" in Paris;
arrested by the French authorities because of
his work for the Algerian National Liberation
Front;
returned to the U.S.A. and employed by the
C.B.S. News in New York until dismissed because
of his pro-Cuban activities;
awarded a C.B.S. fellowship in African Studies
at Columbia University;
1960-September, 1962: Executive Secretary of the "Fair Play for Cuba"
Committee in the U.S.A.
In 1963, GIBSON lived in Lausanne, where "African Revolution" and
subsequently the English edition of "Revolution" were printed, but he paid
frequent visits to "Revolution's" Paris office until the end of the year
when "Revolution" was banned in Switzerland and he was refused permission to
continue to live there. He then settled in Paris where, according to one
report, he and his wife lived in "quite a luxurious flat". It would, however,
be wrong to infer from this that GIBSON's means enabled him to enjoy high
living standards, as another source subsequently reported that he had not
paid any rent for the flat from May to October, 1964.
30 As far back as August, 1963, there were rumours in Communist circles in
London that GIBSON was an American agent and that he had provided United
States Intelligence with the names of certain unidentified United States
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negroes in accordance with a brief received from the Americans.
from a well-placed source suggests that these rumours may have originated
from the jealous reactions of two persons, connected with "Revolution", whose
aspirations with the publication were cut short when GIBSON becane Editor
of the English edition. However, by mid-1964, VERGES, the Editorial Director
of "Revolution", was claiming that complaints about GIBS...'s activities had
been received not only from London, but also from Cuba, American negroes in
New York and a relative of GIBSON's who was working for the magazine "Spark"
in Ghana. As a result, GIBSON was dismissed from the editorial staff of
"Revolution". Charges made against him include the following-
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denouncing, in 1958, an unidentified negro, possibly a
Communist, who was expelled from France;
informing the publication's contacts in China that
"Revolution" was disintegrating;
providing "Newsweek" and the "New York Herald Tribune"
with information in an attempt to discredit "Revolution";
connections with the C.I.A.
Although GIBSON has denied the charges made against him, he realises that
they have stuck and that it will be some years before he will be acceptable
to any left wing organisation.
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Having failed to find employment in Paris after leaving "Revolution"
in July, 1964, GIBSON went to the United Kingdom on 7th October and was
joined later by his British wife, Joy Marjorie, and his two children. He
hoped to find work in London, but at the end of November, he was still
without a job and dependent on his wife's family, who were paying the rent
of his flat at 30, Stockleigh Hall, Prince Albert Road, London, N.W.8.
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Kingdon. Although during the time he worked for "Revolution" he was in
touch with members of the pro-Chinese Communist splinter group in the
United Kingdom the Committee to Defeat Revisionism, for Communist Unity
it is not known whether he has resumed contact. It has been reported that
he still keeps in touch with the coloured South African journalist, Lionel
NORRISON, who is employed by the Chinese-backed Afro-Asian Journalists'
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"Afro-Asian Journalist", no. 4, dated
July, 1964, and published by the A.A.J.A.,
contains an article "Two Revolutionary
Journals" by MORRISON, the journals being
"Revolution" and "Spark".
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Tape of Interview with Richard Thomas GIBSON
ACTION REQUIRED. REFERENCES
REF: LOND 5706, 21 January 1965
1. Attached is the tape of the interview with GIBSON, recorded in an
Embassy office, using a Uher 4000 Report - 5 recorder, recording at a speed
of 15/16 feet per minute. The interviewer used the alias of Earl Wilson.
Gibson arrived at 1745 and departed at about 2030.
2. We are not attempting to summarize or analyze GIBSON's comments in
this dispatch. The tape provides a much more revealing picture than our
subjective comments could. A few notes, however, appear to be in order.
3. Speaking of his departure, GIBSON said he planned to leave London
on 24 or 25 January. As of noon 24 January, at least, he was still in London
because I saw him walking on St. John's Wood High Street. (A potential
problem exists heres GIBSON and I live within a few blocks of one another
and not infrequently ride the same bus line. This problem can only be mot
when it manifests itself.) JAGUAR, incidentally, has alerted its immigration
contacts (prior to our meeting with GIBSCN) and requested that his name be
put on a watch list. They said that they would inform us if they learn that
he has left the country. We have not yet heard that he has left.)
4. GIBSON was given money amounting to 8300. Under the circumstances
of his plans, as he expressed them, it seemed reasonable to do so, to ensure,
at least partially, that he would come back to talk more. He was more than
willing to take the money and raised the initial suggestion of $200 to $300
or $400. His obvious shift in his line regarding dollars (as opposed to
pounds) is further indicative of his willingness to get what he could.
5. The considerable number of names mentioned by GIBSON makes the
transcription of the notes a sizable chore, and in order to lessen this
burden a listing has been compiled of almost all of the names, in the order
in which they appear in the tape, with the exception of VERGES and the Free
Play for Cuba Committee, CBS and a few others. The names appear only one
time each on the list, although many of them crop up repeatedly in the tape.
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A few of the phrases that do not appear too clearly on the tape are included
on the list. Occasionally the names are written phonetically, indicated by
(ph.).
6. GIBSON's offer of a photograph of VERGES was not accepted, on the
assumption that KUBARK already has a photo. If this is not the case, let
us know, and we will include that in our requirements for a subsequent meeting.
(See LOND 5575
7. The Afro-Asian Journalists Association man is apparently Lionel
MORRISCH. He is also referred to as the "man from Djakarta".
of 12 January 1965.)
8. The reference to the Cultural Attache of the Cuban Embassy corroborates
(rather, is corroborated by) the material referred to in para 4 of LOND 5337
(22 December 1965). We are not fully aware of the Cuban's political orientation,
however,
9. In reviewing the tape, it will become apparent that the arrangements
with GIBSON were left fairly flexible for the future. It would appear, from
his responses, that a longer range relationship with him could, in fact, be
established if, after thorough review of his materials, that seems necessary
or desirable.
10. We will expect, in addition to the requirements that have been
promised, that Headquarters will advise us on their desire to arrange for the
one-shot approach previously suggested by Headquarters, or a different ar
rangement. We are unable to assess the validity or worth of all the comments
he made. Our impression, however, is that he is reasonably knowledgeable of
a number of fields of interest to us. We also suspect that in some areas his
knowledge is quite superficial. His access to various areas of potential
interest may be partially proved by his trip around Europe and should be a
useful indication of how we may be interested in playing him. The possibility
of his being a provocation has not been overlooked, of course, and we welcome
Headquarters' comments on this score as well.
11. He would also appreciate further comments on various personalities,
with whom we are not familiar - "Anderson" is the most obvious in this category.
12. Headquarters is requested to provide us with a transcription of this
tape, as well as the promised requirements, prior to 15 February. ODENVY
should also be provided with as much of the material as is of interest to them,
and a copy of that material should be given to us to pass to the ODENVY office
here. We are also obliged to pass to JAGUAR such elements of this material as
is of legitimate concern to them. In this case, we would suggest that this be
interpreted rather liberally and Headquarters-prepared copy be forwarded along
with the other items listed above. (Note that JAGUAR has been quite cooperative
while we have been approaching this case, and their recent run-down on GIBSON is
being pouched almost simultaneously with this dispatch.)
Attachment: herewith
1-List of names
2-Tape (we only)
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List of names on tape, approximately in order of appearances
PPJTO "very silly man in Paris"
"next to Balmain"
"PR stunt"
"told by ANDERSON"
DELDUCCA (ph.)
to BABU
in POMPIDOU's office
Rabah BITAT
Zohra DRITT (ph.)
Revolution Africaine
Djamila BOUHIRED
Bill GRIFFITHS
French DST
articles for Encounter
Jerome LANDON (ph.)
Edition Lingui (very ph.)
Argument
Reunion Island
Hachete
Ngo Kanh LAN Nguyen KIEN
Mr. SOONG
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ODINGA of Kenya
Robert LEEMAN
Dennis POMBEYE of Tanzania Foreign Office
BABU and HANGA
Rosalynd AINSLIE
Sen RASHID (??ph.)
Jack WODDIS
Kay BEAUCHAMP (ph.)
PONBEYE (again)
CHANDRA (Algierian Ambassador to UN - ph.)
SARTRE saw Fidal
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Ollie HARRINGTON (the comment "You take Harrington" means "You use
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Pittsburgh Courier
Richard WRIGHT
William
C. L. R. JAKES
George PADNORÝ
SKITH Ghana television
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Miles STEWART
Tony BLOND (ph.)
Tony HAGEN
(Robert) WILLIAMS
Bayard RUSTIN
Emmet TILL
PATTERSON
ANDERSON (again)
(Jacques) GRIPPA
Veuvey
Bill WORTHY (ph.)
Monthly Review
??? SUBERKAN and Paul SHEAZEY (ph.)
Centre d'Etudes et Documentation de Marseilles
Amitie Franco-Chinoise
Clichy
BEAULIEU
TSHOMBE
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Cleanth BROOKS
Carlos FRANQUI
Leo LABEDZ
Ted KEHTA
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1. LOND OFFICER, POSING AS ODYOKE IDY FROM WASH, ARRANGED
FOR GIBSON COME EMBASSY FOR INTERVIEW. G, WITHOUT ASKING
QUESTIONS, CAME WILLINGLY FOR INTERVIEW, WHICH LASTED OVER
TWO HOURS, MOSTLY SQUIRT TRANSMISSION WITH DIRECTIONAL PRODS
FROM INTERVIEWER.
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2. G VEHEMENTLY, REPEATEDLY AND APPARENTLY SINCERELY
VOLUNTEERED HIS CONVICTION THAT NO CHICOM FUNDS, OTHER
THAN 3000 SUBSCRIPTIONS, SUPPORTING REVOLUTION, ALTHOUGH
VERGES HAS LONG HOPED ENTICE THEM TO DO SO. IN GENERAL
TERMS, G COVERED HISTORY HIS INVOLVEMENT ANTI-COLONIALIST
AFFAIRS SINCE 1958 - ALGERIAN INVOLVEMENT IN PARI, FPCC WORK
IN NEW YORK, TRAVEL ALGIERS AND SUBSEQUENT VICISSITUDES WITH
REVOLUTION.
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3. G LEAVING NEXT FEW DAYS TO TRAVEL EUROPE, TO INTERVIEW
VARIOUS LEFTISTS AND COMMIES (INCL GRIPPA) AS WELL AS NUMBER
OF PERSONS ASSOCIATED WITH PRODUCTION OF REVOLUTION.
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WHO ONE OF G'S BEST SOURCES ON VERGES RELATIONSHIP CHINESE
BERN. WILL BE AWAY FROM LOND TILL ABOUT 15 FEB WHEN NEXT CONTACT
SCHEDULED. STA GAVE G 308 DOLLARS TO HELP PAY COSTS OF TRIP,
MAKE SURE HIS FUTURE COOPERATION. G SAYS HE EXPECTS RECEIVE
100 POUNDS FROM FAIRMAN 300 DOLLARS FROM ATLANTIC MONTHLY,
WHICH WILL ALSO MAKE TRIP POSSIBLE. HAS AGREED PROVIDE MANUSCRIPIS
AND, IF WAY CAN BE FOUND GET THEM OUT WITHOUT AROUSING
WIFE'S SUSPICION, SEVERAL BOXES OF CARDS WHICH CONSTITUTE
MAILING LIST.
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PUBLISHED. HOWEVER LETTER ITSELF PROMPTS FOLL STA QUESTIONS:
(A) DOES GIBSON BELIEVE OWN DENIALS OF CHICOM SUPPORT
"REVOLUTION"? IF SO HE LESS WELL INFORMED THAN WE HOPED.
NOTE HE OFFERS NO EXPLANATION FOR MAGAZINE FINANCIAL RECOVERY,
HICH RECENT PRICE REVISIONS AND BI-MONTHLY ISSQUE UTTERLY FAIL
EXPLAIN. (B) IF GIBSON DELIBERATELY FALSIFYING QUESTION
CHICOM SUPPORT, WHAT WERE HIS MOTIVES SINCE HE PRESUMABLY HOPED
LETTER BE PUBLISHED?
3. OFPA 77970 (POUCHED HQS 18 JAN, LOND 20 JAN) PROVIDES
BACKBROUND MATERIAL INCLUDING/MEMO GIBSON CONVERSATION WITH GOSSETT,
AMEMBASSY PARI.
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letter which the Station might consider using ultimately to
establish bona fides if other means of establishing bona fides
(such as phone call to Embassy) does not satisfy Gibson.
case officer in showing the latter to Gibson need not admit to or
represent himself as a member of KUBARK, though Gibson might well
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Identity A, formerly employed by Identity B
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NOTE:
The following round-up and commentary on Iden A had been drafted
before PALP 3017 of 6 January 1965 and later traffic presented the
case in a somewhat different light. He forward the following anyway,
as some of the background and suggestions still seem pertinent.
Several questions raised below have now been resolved, notably the alleg-
ation of an Iden A/KUBARK link (explained by the ODEVY letter of 1
December 1964, not available when the following was written). Copies
of recent PALP correspondence on Iden A, passed to us on 13 January
1965, are attached as Attachment 3, USC.
1. Upon receiving the memorandum cited in the reference, we requested
Jurther details from UOUD, stressing our interest in the report that CPUSA
nembers had given IDEN C documents which showed IDE: A belonged to "the services
of KUBARK". D/5986 of 30 December 1964, UNBOUND's answer to our query, merely
reiterates that the UNBOUND source, a good one, based the report on a
"commmmi-
cation of documents" by American Communists to DIN C, which supposedly
established that IDEN A belonged to KUBARK; UNBOUND states that the source is
not in a position to identify the persons in question. UNBOUND's reply suggests
the information might have come from an audio operation; we might mention here
that IDER A has appeared occasionally on UNPRY, but never in an informative
way. A mail intercept might also be the source of UNBOUND's report, or it
may have come from a third service (conceivably JAGUAR or SMOTH).
2. Our continuing preoccupation with the IDEM A question is three-fold:
(a) his expulsion from IDEN B (and thus from acceptance by pro-Peiping groups)
opens the door for his possible recruitment; (b) we would like to determine
whether his ouster was engineered by personal enemies or whether he actually
did work for an intelligence service, and which one%; (c) as Peiping regards
the USA as its primary target, the Chinese can be expected to continue prop-
aganda attacks designed to create IDEN D tension and inflame the Afro/Asians
Attachments: 1. Excerpt from RFE research bulletin, 19 Nov 64, h/w
lemorandum of Conversation, USC
5/Cattacked in RYAN 2.
Distribution:
3. Letters dated 4 and 6 Jan 65, USC
4. Identities, USC
3 - Chief, E w/atts
2 - Chief, FE w/atts
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against the U.S.A. While domestic effects of such propaganda are properly
handled by ODEVY, the manipulation of a Ds to further Chinese propaganda
abroad becomes KUBANK's concern.
3. ZUBARK's recruitment of IDE: A, or establishment of controlled access
to him, could be extremely useful in countering attempts to undermine the USA
with the siis a TRÍ á pinsulably still has a reasonatly up-to-date idea
of IDEN B plans in this regard, and he must know the names and locations of
many persons involved. The most effective approach to IDER A would probably
be through an offer of money (his history indicates venality, and at present he
appears to be in financial difficulties), and oy stressing his chance to get
even with IDEN C. The purity of IDEN A's Communism is open to question and
should not impede recruitment; a more formidable obstacle to a successful
operation is his possible connection with a foreign intelligence service.
This could be a Restern service but might also be the Soviets, for whom me
would serve the dual purpose of causing trouble for the USA and at the same
time reporting on the Chinese propaganda machine; it is a matter of record
that the Soviets view IDE: 3 seriously. Whatever the basis for a BARK
approach to IDM A, it would require careful security planning, taking
cognizance of his instability and his known attitude toward GDYOKE as an IDEN D.
4. "Revolution" has featured articles by three American Negroes, Richard
GIBSON, Robert franklyn WILLIAMS, and Malcolm X, all obviously intended to
prejudice readers against the USA on ground of racial injustice. All three
men are or have been involved with foreign Communists: GIBSCH and WILLIAMS
with the Chinese and the Cubans, notably, and Malcolm Ä with the Chinese and
various African Communists (actual or crypto). The "New York Herald Tribune"
of 4 January 1965 reported Malcolm's statement that he hopes to "internationalize"
the American Negro problem, and that he claims to have influenced severai
African governments to make representations in the U.H. against the USA's
treatment of its Negroes. This may be a foretaste of Chinese plans for foreig
exploitation of this issue; Malcolm was interviewed by "Revolution" in Cairo,
which has since proved its enthusiastic anti-Americanism.
5. OFP-14693 reports that Philip BART, a pro-Soviet official of the CPUSA,
stated in December 1964 that the CPUSA has positive proof that four members of
their Chinese faction are being paid by the Chinese Communists. (It is perhaps
relevant to mote here that the advent of "Revolution" was hailed by letters to
the Editor from American leftists, including the FPCC; according to OFPW-37875,
Vincent T. LEE of "All Worlds Publications" in New York City takes subscriptions
for Revolution"). It is hard to say where WE A enters into the clouded
picture of American Communist partisanship in the Sino/Soviet rift, but in
view of his shifting allegiances he may have divulged to pro-Soviet CPUSA.
members, or to the Soviets themselves, information on Chinese subversion in
the USA. The October 1964 issue of "iammer & Steel Newsletter" is cited by
the Radio Free Europe research bulletin of November 1964 in the latter's review
of pro-Chinese factions among Western Commmmist Parties; FE research describes
"Hammer & Steel" as a monthly produced in boston by a small American faction.
(Portions of the RFE research bulletin with its citations from "Hammer & Steel"
are attached as Attachment 1). The marked paragraph from "Hammer & Steel" hits
at the idea of white nations' inherent superiority; this is consistent with
China's claim of a bond among the colored peoples of the world, which permits
such effective anti-Soviet propaganda as the cover of "Revolution" for May 1964,
which shows KHRUSHCHEV saying, "We, the whites...".
6. IDEN C's denunciation of IDEN A may have been at least partially
caused by suspicion he was trying to gain control of IDEN E; it will be
recalled that very shortly before his ouster, IDEN A was in Holland negotiating
for that type of printing equipment (MAGU 6137 and OIMA 28818). He is now
living in London; he has presumably been obliged to find work there (unless
he actually is on an intelligence payroll), and he may have landed with some
leftist publishing outfit or even with the CPUK, which is sufficiently divided
to afford room for his current views, whatever they may be. In addition to
IDEN A's potential for reporting on Chinese propaganda efforts, his uses as a
penetration of British or other European Communist publishing circles are obvious.
No. That was
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UNBOUND reported that American Communists had allegedly given
IDEN C documents showing IDEN A worked for NUBANK. One explanation of this
allegation may lie in IDEN A's visit to the American Embassy, Paris, in late
1963, at the request of Mr. John G. COSSETT, then Acting Consul General.
GOSSETT was interested in any information ne might have on possible connections
between IDEN F, with which IDEN A had been connected, and President Kennedy's
assassination. (à copy of GOSSETT's Memorandum of Conversation is attached
under separate cover as Attachment 2; his appraisals of IDEA and his
IDEN A and GOSSETT
reservations concerning his motives are interesting).
had a far-ranging talk, including what may have been a tentative feeler by
IDEN À for ODYOKE employment. It seems likely that IDER & would have reported
an American Embassy inquiry to his friends in IDEN F, and he may even have
mentioned the possibility of future "work" for ODYOKE, which could have led
to eventual allegations that he had been recruited by KUBARK. This is of
course speculation, but IDEN A's flexible loyalties and liking for money are
surely known to his colleagues, and, if he had already aroused antagonism
among them, the Embassy visit would serve as a peg for sincere or expedient
denunciation.
Ne are not
8. We can shed no light on the allegation that IDEN G is a KUBARNER
(LOND 5337). Our only trace is OELA 39346, stating he is IDEN H.
clear as to the relationship between IDEN A, IDEN G, and IDEN I, also mentioned
in OELA 39346, which states she "appears to be" IDEN A's wife. According to
OEL 39251 of September
ODENVY Paris, however, IDEN A is married to IDEN J.
1964 reported that IDEN A and his wife (unnamed) had successfully sued IDES B
for salary arrears; the fact that the wife was also employed recalls the
IDEN I professional status, which might make her operationally significant
whether or not she is married to IDEN A.
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Reseor.h
November 19, 1989
--
One of the most violent reactions came from the heart-
land of capitalism, from the small American faction which pre-
duces the monthly Hammer & Steel Newsletter in Boston. The
October issue of the mimeographed bulletin vengefully gives a
list of eight reasons why Khrushchev fell each one a vin-
dictive crow of triumph, and many attacking not only Khrush-
chev but basic Soviet policies such as "the distortion of
peaceful coexistence."' Points 2, 3 and 8 will serve as illus-
trations:
2. "His German policy
3.
8.
--
Khrushchev sought to ingratiate
himself with West Germany. He was obviously ready
to sell out the German Democratic Republic...
The declining influence of the CPSU among the Social-
ist countries and the Communist Parties.
The pro-
posed Moscow gathering was shaping up as a conference
of only those Party leaders ready to openly serve
U.S. imperialist aggression against the national lib-
eration struggles. For example, Asian supporters of
Khrushchev could have gathered in a telephone booth.
--
The nuclear success of People's China. Khrushchev
had maintained that nuclear power was the exclusive
responsibility of revisionists and imperialists
of white nations. Khrushchev's great power chauvin-
ism was blown sky high in Sinkiang Province.
Although there is no evidence that the politically insig-
nificant Hammer & Steel group enjoys any direct support from
the Chinese (as the Russians alleged in their "Open Letter"
of July 14, 1963), it has always offered its allegiance to
This 
is expressed again 
in
Peking in the most extreme form.
the claim that "Khrushchev's failure to recognize the contra-
diction between the oppressed peoples and 
imperialism as the
focal contradiction of our time resulted 
in blindness concern-
8 This is a claim
ing the leading role of the Chinese Party.
that the Chinese themselves would not want to make, expecially
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BACKING OF REVOLUTION. LASKY WILL NOT RPT NOT PUBLISH SINCE
OBVIOUSLY WOULD BURN ERIDGES BETWEEN GIBSON AND OLD COLLEAGUES.
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○ 2. SABA LCPIPIT SUGGEST FOLLOWING COURSE OF ACTION:
P
Y A. KUBARKER UNDER ODACID POLITICAL OFFICER COVER GET
ALL POSSIBLE INFO OUT OF GIBSON USING NECESSARY MINIMIM
FINANCIAL INDUCEMENT. DEBRIEFING SHOULD START ASAP AND
RELATIONSHIP SHOULD CONTINUE AS LONG AS FRUITFUL (LASKY FEELS
GIBSON, AS "RACIAL REVOLUTIONIST, ENTHUSIAST AND OPPORTUNIST“
WOULD RESPOND BADLY TO OPEN KUBARK PITCH);
с B. MEANWHILE LASKY GIVE GIBSON 100 POUND GRANT TO TRAVEL
AND PREPARE ARTICLES WHICH WOULD NOT BE PUBLISHED UNTIL EVIDENT
THAT GIBSON BURNED AMONG FORMER CONTACTS;
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CONTACT WITH GIBSON NOW TO DETERMINE AVAILABILITY AND PRICE FOR ONE
WEEK DEBRIEFING BY ODYOKE OFFICIAL ON CONTINENT. WISH CONTACT HIM
NOW WHILE HE UNEMPLOYED AND ARE PROBABLY AVAILABLE.
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1. MATTER DISCUSSED BROAD TERMS WITH JAGUAR.
EXPLAINED
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MICROFILMED
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COPY
TO THEM THAT GIBSON OF CURRENT INTEREST IC US, WITH POSSIBLE
OPERATIONAL OBJECTIVES WHICH NOT YET RESOLVED. WOULD APPRECIATE
THEIR READINGS SURMENT ACTIVITIES, ATTÚTIDES, ETC BY CHANCE
THEY HAVE RECENTLY DIRECTED THAT FULLER INFO BE GATHERED ON SUBJECT,
IN SUPPORT OF CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF INFO CURRENTLY IN HAND.
WILL MAKE AVAILABLE ROUND-UP ON SUBJ WITHIN NEXT FEW DAYS.
2. ITEMS CITED FROM MEMBORY BY JAGUAR REP: GIBSON DOES NOT YE
HAVE JOB: NOT STAYING WITH KAYE (IN-LAY), BUT IN SEPARATE FLAT
WITH WIFE AND KIDS; SAYE (BROTHER-IN-LAW) HAD BEEN SUBSIDIZING
GIBSONS; GIBSON CORPE SONDING WITH (NEGRO) SOUTH AFRICAN ANC ACTIVITIST 1
CURRENTLY IN INDONESIA WITH AFRO-ASIAN JOURNALISTS ORG, LIONEL
MORRISON (221-725637); THERE OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY BAD BLOOD
BETWEEN SIBSON AND JACQUES VERGES (VERGES WAS IN LONDON IN DECEMBER
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GIBSON); GIBSON HAS CONTACTED BBC IN SEARCH OF JOB AND AT LEAST
ONE PERSON OF "PPEVIOUS RECORD" AS LEFTIST; JAGUAR HAVE COPIES
OF SEVERAL OF GIBSON'S LETTERS OVER PAST YEAR; JAGUAR VERY
CURIOUS ABOUT WHERE GIBSON'S MONEY IN PAST CAME FROM, SINCE HE
LIVED IN VERY ELEGANT STYLE IN PARIS.
3. LOND FEELS DECISION SE DIRECT APPROACH TO GIBSON SHOULD BE
DEFERRED AT LEAST PENDING FUTHER ANALYSIS INFO DUE TO BE RECEIVED.
TOLD JAGUAR WE KNOW GIBSON IN TOUCH MACFARQUHAR AND CAN ASK SMOTH
PROVIDE FURTHER INFO THIS CHANNEL IF MACFARQUHAR NOT ALSO IN
TOUCH JAGUAR, BUT PREFER KEEP QUERIES IN ONE PLACE. WILL DEFER
QUERY OF SMOTH TILL THIS POINT RESOLVED.
4. VIEW FOREGOING, NO PRISENT NEED THESSIN LOND.
ADVISE IF RVICES REQUIRED. APPRECIATE REF B.
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1. WHILE LOND HAS RESERVATIONS ABOUT DTLEAFAGE/GIBSON TIE UP,
SUGGEST DEFER DECISION TILL MORE INFO IN HAND. REF B DEVELOPMENT WOULD
SEEM PROVIDE USEFUL MEANS GETTING MORE THOROUGH ASSESSMENT OF GIBSON
(VIA SMOTH/MACFARQUHAR) AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING KNOW HOW HE GOT
ONTO MACFARQUHAR.
2. VIEW MACFARQUHAR ASSOCIATION SMOTH AND CONTINUED JAGUAR
INTEREST GIBSON AND REVOLUTION, WOULD APPRECIATE HOS' PERMISSION
DISCUSS WITH SMOTH AND JAGUAR. WILL BE SEEING APPROPRIATE JAGUAR
OFFICER 12 JAN AND WOULD LIKE DISCUSS AT THAT TIME.
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I have reviewed the 201 file on GIBSON, Richard
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most accurately be categorized as indicated below:
should be closed.
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witting collaborator. OI Code Al.
potential witting collaborator; date opened
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former witting collaborator (relationship terminated).
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potential witting collaborator never contacted (security
reasons, derogatory information). OI Code A4.
counterintelligence case (i.e., involving a foreign
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I have reviewed the 201 file on GIBSON
(surname)
(201 number indicated below), and have determined that it can
most accurately be categorized as indicated below:
should be closed.
witting collaborator. 01 Code Al.
potential witting collaborator; date opened
01 Code A2.
former witting collaborator (relationship terminated).
OI Code A3.
potential witting collaborator never contacted (security
reasons, derogatory information). OI Code A4.
counterintelligence case (i.e., involving a foreign
intelligence or security service).
all others. OI Code A6.
OI Code A5.
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