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AGENDA FOR APRIL 2 AND 3, 1963 MEETING
SUMMARY OF APRIL 2 AND 3, 1963 MEETING
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MINUTES.
OF
BOARD
MEETING
OF
APRIL 2 and 3,
1964
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PRESIDENT'S FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE ADVISORY BOARD
AGENDA FOR MEETINGS OF APRIL, 2 and 3, 1964.
ITEM
TIME
1。
9:00 - 9:30
9:30 - 1:00
SUBJECT
April 2, 1964
Chairman's Time
Reports on Recent Study Made by Board's Fanel"
(Chairman Baker, Doolittle and Land) on NRO
Activities, including highlights of:
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Baker/Coyne Discussions with Mr. McCone
Dr. Baker
Baker/Coyne Discussions with Dr. McMillan
Baker
Dr.
Doolittle/Baker/Coyne Discussions with
General Greer, Los Angeles
General Doolittle
Baker/Doolittle/Coyne Discussions with
Representatives of Lockheed and Itek
Dr. Baker
e. Doolittle/Coyne Discussions with
Kelly Johnson and Visit to Ox Site
General Doolittle
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Doolittle/Coyne Visits to Satellite
Launching (Vandenberg) and On-Orbital
Control Synnyvale) Facilities
General Doolittle
Panel meeting with:
(3)
(4)
Secretary McMillan, Director, NRO
General Martin, Chief of Staff, NRO
Mr. Eugene Keifer, Deputy Director, NRO
Dr. Eugene Fubini, Assistant Secretary:
of Defense
(5) Messrs. Carter, Wheelon, Bross and
Ledford of CIA
Mr. Coyne
Assessment of Degree to which NRO Agreement
is Presently Being Implemented
Dr. Baker
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April 2 Agenda (Continued):
ITEM
TIME
SUBJECT
1. Proposals for Revisions in NRO Agreement,
Organization, and Operations
Proposals of Dr. McMillan
Proposals of Mr. McCone.
Proposals of Board Panel
Dr.
Baker
3. 1:00 2:00
Lunch
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White House Mess
4.
2:00
2:45
12:15
NRO Satellite Reconnaissance Activities as
Related to the Air Force Systems Command
General Bernard A. Schriever, USAF
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5. 2:45
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3:30
CIA Monitorship of the NRO
Dr. Albert D. Wheelon
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6. 3:30
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4:15
7.
4:15
4:30
8.
4:30 $ 6:00
9.
9:00 - 9:15
10%
9:15
9:30
11.
9:30
10:30
Deputy Director for Science and Technology, CIA
Defense Department Monitorship of the NRO
Dr. Eugene G. Fubini
Assistant Secretary of Defense
Executive Session
Discussions of the National Reconnaissance
Office, Agreement and Programs
Mr. John A. McCone
Director of Central Intelligence
April 3, 1964
Chairman's Time
Oral Report on Recent Developments Relating
to the National Signals Intelligence (SIGINT)
Program
Dr. Baker and Mr. Coyne
The National Signals Intelligence Program
Dr. Eugene Fubini
Assistant Secretary of Defense:
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12.
10:30
11:00
Executive Session
13.
11:00
12:00
Discussions of the NRO Agreement, Management,
and Programs
Mr. Cyrus Vance
Deputy Secretary of Defense
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April 3 Agenda (Continued):
ITEM
TIME
14. 12:00 1:00
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15.
1:00 2:00
16.
2:00 - 2:15
17. 2:15 2:30
18.
2:30
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End of
Day
SUBJECT
Briefing on the World Situation
Mr. Ray Cline
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Deputy Director/Intelligence, CIA
Lunch White House Mess
Status Report on Implementation of Board's
Recommendations Growing Out of the Dunlap Case
Mr. Coyne
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Status Report on Implementation of Other Recent
Major Recommendations Made by the 
Board
Mr. Ash
Preparation by the Board of a Report on NRO *
* The Chairman will outline his views as to the handling
this report (a) initially with Secretary 
McNamara and
Mr. Bundy and (b) ultimately with the 
President.
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THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
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September 10, 1964
MEMORANDUM FOR THE FILE
SUBJECT:
President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
Meeting of April 2-3, 1964
A regularly scheduled two-day meeting of the President's
Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board was convened by Chairman
Clifford at 9:00 a.m., April 2, 1964, in the Eoard's offices,
Present were 
Board
Room 297, Executive Office Building.
members Doolittle, Gray, Baker, Langer, Pace and Murphy;
J. Patrick Coyne, Executive Secretary; and A. R. Ash.
(Dr. Land was unavoidably detained at the Boston airport, and
joined the Board meeting later in the day.)
Chairman Clifford opened the meeting with some general
remarks, first congratulating Mr. Murphy on the excellence of
his recently published and well-received book "Diplomat Among
Warriors" Other Board members joined in the sentiments ex-
pressed by the Chairman:
Next Mr. Clifford expressed the Board's gratitude to the
Board Panel on NRO matters for the long and difficult task
involved in the Panel's extensive study of the NRO management
and organization structure and attendant problems. He noted,
that Dr. Baker and General Doolittle had been devoting the
majority of their time to the study, with inestimable assis-
tance from Mr. Coyne. The Chairman thought that in the NRO.
matter the Board had probably made the most exhaustive analysis
of any intelligence-related problem up to this time.
Chairman Clifford announced that in a few minutes the
meeting would be joined briefly by Mr. Henry Thomas of CIA for
the purpose of indoctrinating Board members concerning two new
security clearance categories (DORIAN and QUILL) covering 
two
extremely sensitive areas of intelligence activity.
Mr. Clifford recalled that when the Board met with the
President on January 30, the President had sought the Board's
views on a proposed reduction in the Military Services' repre-
the Board expres-
sentation on the U. S. Intelligence Board
should be made at
sing its long-held view that such reduction
Mr Clifford went t on to inform the Board.
an appropriate time.
that on February 5, 1964, Presidential Assistant McGeorge Bundy
had issued a memorandum to the intelligence community, announcing
the President's decision to reconstitute the USIB membershipa
by designating the Director of DIA as the Defense Department
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Mr. Clifford pointed out that the DCI feels that because the NRO
is presently set up as a "line" organization in the Air Force, a great deal.
goes on that the DCI does not know about, e.z., after USIB sets out intelligence
requirements for NRO to execute, the DCI does not have an 
opportunity to
examine the effectiveness of the program. Mr. Vance agreed that the DCI should
be kept fully informed, but if weather conditions, for example, require that
a 5-day mission be called down on the third day, this is the kind of operational
decision that should not have to involve the DCI.
Dr. Baker referred to concerns which have been expressed regarding the
tendency toward a fragmentation of effort in the reconnaissance field within
the Defense Department, as for example in the case of the MOL. Noting that
Defense is the greatest resource for national reconnaissance, Dr. Baker asked
whether consideration had been given to relating the JRC to the NRO, with a
view to avoiding unnecessary duplication of peripheral reconnaissance missions,
the reduction of costs, and the placing of emphasis on meeting national require-
ments. Mr. Vance replied that tying the JRC into the NRO suggests some command
channel problems, but he thought the suggestion very worth while, and he
expressed the intention to consider it further.
Dr. Langer referred to the system of monitors of the NRP in Defense and
in the CIA, and he asked whether the Director of NRO in fact reports to
Dr. Fubini in Defense.. Mr. Vance replied that, to the contrary, the Director
He added that as an
reports directly to Mr. Vance and to Secretary McNamara.
internal matter Dr. Tubini monitors NRO matters for the office of the Secretary
of Defense and Mr. Vance would continue this internal Defense arrangement but
would clearly spell out the role of the PFIAB, et al, to accomplish external
monitoring.
Secretary Vance completed his discussion with Board members and left
the Board meeting at 11:50 a.m."
,
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In executive session, Board members further discussed the question of
with the object of
appropriate assignment to CIA of a role in the NRP
preserving the valuable research and development potential of the CIA. Mr. Joyne
noted that the Board Panel had heard testimony that CIA is heavily involved
in reconnaissance research and development, but that this was not yet supported.
by the evidence thus far assembled. Mr. Coyne added that under the Vance.
proposal to leave aircraft
2 U-2's at Taiwan, 3. U-2's ects in CIA, this would include 9 OXCART aircraft,
at Lockheed undergoing configuration for carrier
operations, and aircraft engaged in the STPOLLY project. Mr. Coyne also noted
that of the 694 personnel providing support for CIA's aircraft reconnaissance.
activities, 350 are AF personnel assigned to the CIA.
At 12:10 p.m. the Board meeting was joined by Mr. Ray Cline, Deputy
ce and Mr. Bruce
Director for Intelligence
,
Clark of CIA. Mr. Clifford indicated
to Mr. Cline the Board's interest in receiving a current intelligence briefing
on aspects of the world situation.
Mr. Cline
informed the Board that his job at CIA is the correlation and
With re
evaluation of intelligence relating to the national security.
to the state of the art in the field of intelligence analysis,
Clin
pointed
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and storable High energy propellant fuel.
As for Soviet MRBM's and IRBM's, Mr. Cline said that there are over
700 launchers, mostly in the Western USSR; deployment is almost complete;
and there is evidence of some hardening (four silos have been discovered).
Mr. Cline said that it is not certain as to how much the USSR intends
Satellite photography
to invest in the development of an anti-missile missile.
is the key. A March 1964 photo of Leningrad shows 5 distinctive bays at launch
sites, but it is indicated that the USSR probably suspended construction in 1963.
In further emphasis on the importance of special search satellite
photography, Mr. Cline said that a GAMFIT mission has not yet been run over a
huge mystery structure recently revealed in photography of Moscow.
Mr. Cline reported that yesterday the Soviets had launched a space probe
to Venus, the time of arrival estimated as July 22.
Concerning the recent release of the CIA estimate on the Soviet economy,
Mr. Cline said that despite the welter of denials and counterattacks by the
The first "Pravda"
USSR, the CIA has indications that its estimate was correct.
blast contained statistics confirming the CIA's estimate of a 3 per cent gain
in the Soviet GNP. The next issue of Pravda omitted these statistics.
The anti-Soviet
CIA's clandestine
Exchanges of secret
The basis of the
As for the Sino-Soviet conflict, Mr. Cline stated that this deep and
bitter struggle reflects opposing national interests and policy views, and is
a contest for dominance which is nearing the breaking point.
vituperation coming out of Communist China is unprecedented.
reporting indicates that the Chicoms are attempting to subvert Soviet leadership
around the world, and to discredit Khrushchev in the USSR.
Party letters indicate that a Sino-Soviet break must come.
dispute seems to be the failure of the USSR to provide the economic and military
Public
support which China needed in order to enlarge its industrial capacity.
exchanges of insults, and intelligence from various sources, shows that the
breach began in 1960 from differences of policy with regard to degree of risk
of war which should be acceptable to Communism in its actions affecting the West.
Mr. Chine
Also there is a lot of prejudice against China in the Soviet military.
does not think that Sino-Soviet differences can be resolved so long as Mao and
Khrushchev are in positions of leadership.
With regard to Indian border action by the Chinese Communists, Mr. Cline
thought that this move was for the purpose of getting control of a part of the
route for a transcontinental railroad.
There
The Viet Cong
In Vietnam, Mr. Cline said, the U. S. mission has given General Khanh
a breathing spell to get a grip on the political and military machine.
is a little more confidence within the South Vietnam government.
has not launched attacks on the larger scale expected when Khanh took over, but
guerrilla activities have increased and 3 province chiefs have been killed or
kidnapped in the last few weeks. In North Vietnam, recent intelligence indicates,
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there is civil defense activity including the digging of shelters and
trenches. Last night the Interagency Task Force on Vietnam discussed the
problem and concluded that things are on dead center as far as the South
Vietnam war effort is concerned, and more U. S. support may be necessary
before the rainy season sets in in September. The Viet Cong are getting
Chicom help, mostly psychological; captured weapons indicate that 10 per cent
are of Chinese origin; many of their weapons are of U. S. and French origin;
and some are hand made..
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Mr. Cline concluded his briefing and departed the Board meeting at
1:10 p.m. at which time the Board adjourned for lunch.
At 2:00 p.m. the Board resumed in executive session. Chairman Clifford
remarked that the session with Mr. Cline of CIA had been valuable and that
there would be similar briefings arranged for future Board meetings. Mr.
Clifford asked that Board members let Mr. Coyne know ahead of time the subject
matters which they wish to have covered in current intelligence briefings.
Next, Mr. Coyne gave the Board an oral summary of implementing actions
reportedly under way in response to the Board's recommendations in the Dunlap
case. It was noted that in answer to Mr. Bundy's referral of the Board's
recommendations to the DCI for agencies' consideration and the preparation of a
coordinated report by the DCI, the latter had failed to coordinate with other
agencies with respect to 9 of the 21 recommendations. Mr. Coyne had discussed
this with Mr. Bundy who agreed that the DCI should have furnished a coordinated
report of agencies' views and comments, and Mr. Bundy had asked Mr. Coyne to
In
prepare an appropriate further communication for Mr. Bundy's signature.
answer to a question by Dr. Langer, the Chairman thought it best to see whether
the DCI complies with the request for a coordinated report, before suggesting
that Mr. Bundy go directly to the agencies.
During the Board's discussion of action reported on its Dunlap case
recommendation relating to the Soviet Union's attempt to obtain new Embassy
quarters in Washington, General Doolittle expressed the hope that steps would
be taken by U. S. intelligence agencies to ensure technical coverage of any
new Embassy that might be constructed for the USSR.
Mr. Ash summarized for the Board recent reports received on the implemen-
tation of Recommendation 3 (CIA-State report); Recommendation 35 (DCI report);
and Old Board Recommendation 3 on the status of JCS-CIA intelligence planning
for wartime emergencies. With regard to the latter, the Chairman asked that
there be put on the agenda of the next Board meeting the matter of the JCS-CIA
suggestion that annual status reports be discontinued.
Chairman Clifford asked that Board members next proceed to discuss the
type of report that the Board would make to the President concerning the NRO.
The Chairman asked Dr. Baker, as head of the Board's NRO Panel, to discuss the
reasons for changes in the NRO as recommended in the draft report which the
Panel had placed before the Board..
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