2012-11-02 NSFRI - Homer - Iliad (Books 5 and 6) - Warhorses for Causes, and Divine Forces
Channel: Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Date: 2018-05-19

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 2012-11-02 NSFRI - Homer - Iliad (Books 5 and 6) - Warhorses for Causes, and Divine Forces

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 Dialogue(s): iliad Chapters: book05;book06 Sections: Books 5 and 6Reading: Book 5, Lines 795 – 844, 888 - 992, 929 – 947, 987 - 1026Alternate Title: War, the Question of Cause, and Divine ForcesSynopsisThese are some of the questions Pierre asks of Books 5 and 6, and Noetic Society participants:What’s worth looking at in Books 5 and 6 before skipping them?Are there other wars in history besides this one?  What was the cause of it (WWII)?Can you predict the next one, with whom it will be?Is it possible that each of the gods in the Iliad has a set of characteristics that can be identified as certain specific kinds of forces? Is it possible there is some kinship among these characteristics?  And are likely then to join together in certain ways and others less likely?Does each of the leaders [among the AKhaians and Trojans] have a set of characteristics that can be identified?Do you know what he’s [Homer]doing? He’s doing something we can’t do.  We don’t do.  We don’t set out the causes of WWI,  or WWII, or Iraq.  Is that true?How do you get 165,000 people to get off their butts and join you?  And he [Homer} has this guy over here say, “Why are we fighting over this girl over here?  Let him have her.”Why do we have to fight wars?  Why did they have to fight the war?Is it possible that any of these guys in this story spot that it’s coming from Zeus?  How many of these guys from both sides understand the consequences of this war right from the beginning?  Are they just dopes who go to war and fight and die?Is it possible that a group of soldiers, or whoever they are, get together and can exhibit a certain kind of power or courage to overcome overwhelming odds?  How do understand that?  For what kinds of things in a war do you want an explanation?For Next Time:What do Hera and Athena represent?  Let’s follow it.Technical IssuesMicrophone buzz at 48:20 to 48:26, and at 49:34 to 52:29.  Also, when Pierre is on the left side of screen, the audio is very good.  However, when me moves to the right side of the screen, it’s sometimes difficult to hear him.Other ResourcesMap showing both Akhaians and Trojan forces and what cities they come fromOnline text of Homer's Iliad:Richard Lattimore translation with the Greek textGreek only text of the IliadRobert Fitzgerald translationCredits[Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, to StefanR for title and cataloguing info, and to DarleneA for alternate title, additional cataloguing info, synopsis, technical notes, and additional resources.]More InfoPierre Grimes and Philosophical MidwiferyThe Noetic SocietyThe Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.