Hamza Tzortzis, Pervez Hoodbhoy and Voltaire
Channel: Imam Sister
Date: 02/12/2015

Middle of February 2012 I interviewed Professor Hoodbhoy on Islam and education. We also chatted about the reality of this in Pakistan and came across Hamza Tzortzis, who had shown little respect to an academic personality in their debate and had even lied calling him someone who hates the Muslim world.
Following the debate between Hamza Tzortzis and Professor Hoodbhoy in Lahore, a video surfaced showing this debate and the events which led up to the professor storming out of the room.

I will try to show here what catastrophic blunders Hamza made during this debate.

I am not here today to defend Islam in any shape or form.  When they mention democracy and secularism, they say why these are enlightened values?  They don’t justify their belief and nor should we in some cases, why should we justify what Allah (SWT) says when we must cut the hand of the thief with all these conditions, why would we justify the social system?
[…]
Our deen, our aqeedah is based on something that is real that is rational and that is proven.  Whereas their aqeedah and their manifestations of their aqeedah is based on something weak, based on the compromise, and something that can be easily refuted.”
“We as Muslims reject the idea of freedom of speech, and even the idea of freedom. We see under the Khilafa (caliphate), when people used to engage in a positive way, this idea of freedom was redundant, it was unnecessary, because the society understood under the education system of the Khilafa state, and under the political framework of Islam, that people must engage with each other in a positive and productive way to produce results, as the Qur’an says, to get to know one another.” 
– Hamza Andreas Tzortzis


Sources:

Arguments for a god
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/God,_Arguments_for_the_Existence_of

Maryam’s blog
http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2012/02/09/hamza-tzortzis-lies-again/#comment-22181

Prof Hoodbhoy on Islamic Science
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/nov/25/islam-science-muslims-religion

Hamza written debate inimitable Koran
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/HamzaTzortzis.htm

Hamza on fundamentalists
http://nocaliphatefortheuk.wordpress.com/

Inimitable Koran
http://www.theinimitablequran.com/

36 Reasons for the Existence of God
http://www.amazon.com/36-Arguments-Existence-God-Fiction/dp/0307378187

Cicero
http://www.archive.org/stream/denaturadeorumac00ciceuoft/denaturadeorumac00ciceuoft_djvu.txt

Voltaire
http://books.google.de/books?id=UggdrSiVvhsC&pg=PA316&lpg=PA316&dq=voltaire+%22when+i+see+a+watch+with+a+hand+marking+the+hours%22&source=bl&ots=f5BXbsHi5R&sig=qdXieDoN_6f2Cy_KhFkNIgWvjfM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TfJPT9jaOZDoOeSM2aYK&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=voltaire%20%22when%20i%20see%20a%20watch%20with%20a%20hand%20marking%20the%20hours%22&f=false

Other arguments for the existence of god
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/God,_Arguments_for_the_Existence_of



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Professor Hoodbhoy states very clearly that he found Hamza's arguments unconvincing and was stunned when Hamza tried to tell the professor that he was wrong in his perception when discussing the professor's own field of science and area of expertise, the same way he tried telling biology Professor Myers he was wrong about embryology. This ends with the account of where he was so shocked by what he heard that he called Hamza a liar and stormed out of the auditorium.

Professor Hoodbhoy is also a social activist and is very outspoken about secularism and the involvement of fundamentalist religions in the different fields of science.

His article on "Islamic Failure"

http://secularpakistan.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/islamic-failure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUNPq5qn3U0

Hamza will never learn.
He expects the prof to state his position AND react to the points Hamza made a few minutes earlier. How could the prof know in advance what Hamza will say?
Hamza does not understand science - yet uses the terminology. He was previously shown his errors and continues to make the same, identical mistakes again and again.
Hamza expects others to follow his lead for some reason and acts like a little boy when the prof tears him a new one.