2015-02-28 NSSAT NSDRM - Language and the Destiny of Man; Dream Exploration: Barbara
Channel: Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Date: 11/03/2018

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 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society -- 2015-02-28 NSSAT NSDRM - Language and the Destiny of Man; Dream Exploration: Barbara
sergio teaching english: questions his students have re inconsistency how cultural changes reflect themselves in language pg (to sergio): do you mean that if you knew the way in which Man was progressing, you might be able to predict the changes in language? so that in teaching english, you have an interest in the destiny of Man? to which language is going to most perfectly match.. degradation from attic greek to koine. pg: what is missing then in the koine? (what cannot be conveyed?) is english actually the best current language for philosophy? pg: suppose we could identify a particular work that would be essential for man to understand and communicate. and let us assume now it is written in such a style that it escapes all ambiguities and it is clear and precise and makes the essential points in a developmental way and comes to a conclusion bringing all into a unity. and let's agree that that kind of writing is essential for man to know himself. .. and you bring it into a class, and you say, 'you know what i'd like each of you to do is to translate this into your own languages (each of your different languages), and let's see which language is able to capture it, and to what degree they're able to capture it, so that then we can talk about, 'what's the best language to study'? and, if it turns out to be english, then what kind of grammar do you need in order to be able to utilize that and understand it on the various levels which it contains..? and then point out that if you don't have such a grammatical background, you're not going to be able to translate it even in english from that statement in your own personal statement, unless you're able to follow certain kinds of structural points and emphasis and analogies, and on the one hand and the other, and all the rest of them.. If there were such, what would you point to as the ideal piece of writing that we could use for this experiment? a platonic dialogue? grading the translators (interpreter) of attic greek into english talmud and discussion of difficult texts pg: this method (a bunch of rabbis sitting around) might be better for law (than metaphysics or mysticism). pg: what is language? a metaphor. it represents something. the question is whether it can represent something with great accuracy. pg: can you get an insight into that which it refers? when you translate it, can you look at the word and understand what it refers to, and perhaps then create something that allows you to gain greater precision into the very issue that was originally represented in sounds and words? pg: so when you get all these people together, look for the guy who knows that to which it (the text) refers, and listen to him, because he's the one who's going to be able to do it, if he has the expertise to translate it into his own language, and to represent it with great precision. pg: how do you get to the meaning of a text, and also how do you get to the meaning of a dream? pg: must you know to that which it refers? pg: if everyone agrees that one interpretation is superior to another.. how do they make that judgement? they must in some way perceive that it is pointing to something and someone can grasp it better than the others, yes? and that's not just the words. http://noeticsociety.org