2017-06-23 NSFRI - Plato - Parmenides - Wouldn't the Most Brilliant Light of Being Transcend its Me
Channel: Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Date: 08/03/2018

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 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society -- 2017-06-23 NSFRI - Plato - Parmenides - Wouldn't the Most Brilliant Light of Being Transcend its Members? A Quick Introduction to the Second Hypothesis of Parmenides
Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 [ed.: Most Brilliant Light of Being = Divine Luminosity, aka 'light experience', aka 'enlightenment experience' (familiar to meditators and many others), aka 'illumination', aka Beauty/Justice/Truth/etc, aka ' M ind'] Part1 - Are there some wholes that do benefit their members by participating in the whole? - Or does the whole of which we are speaking have a power? - Or does the whole of which we are speaking comprehend its members? - Each part still a one - And the whole is a one - Can that whole be the Self or self? - Then while being a one, each is no less equally one? - And therefore there is an equality among all the members? - So is the Self a whole and a one in which each member can equally comprehend each other as well as comprehend the whole-one-self? - What if there is no difference between the ideal case and that which manifests everywhere (even though there are some who are not aware of the Ideal)? - Would you agree that even the person who is lacking totally any idea of the Self must have an idea of the self of which they subscribe, even if it is false?  ..but they must see it as real and true? - Did we just see someone who had a false idea of themselves, and came to see the falsity of it? (he is probably referring to one or more of tonight's previous dream explorations.)  How is that possible unless they already   have an ideal idea of the self? - If so, there should be a way to realize that ideal. Does that follow? - the assumption is that once false (self) images drop away, there is an Ideal Self left to be aware of - Does the Self go beyond its members? - Then the Self has a limit (because it can be defined as including all living things) and yet be unlimited..? - What is the furthermost reach of the Mind? - And does the Earth's existence have a Self - Is it a total living being? - University: How did the Earth get here? It all spun off the Sun. - Is the Sun alive? Does it have all the qualities of life? - Therefore the Sun must be alive and its children are the planets. (Family). Whole thing alive. - Can the Sun have a Self? The Galaxy? The Totality? - But we can say the Sun has a Self only if we can attribute to it Mindfulness or Ousia. - Do all the planets have a fixed location which, if they deviated from by as little as 2 degrees, they wouldn't survive?  A fixed path for each to function within? And within those narrow paths, the allowance for the creation of life as we know it?  Then it is not random at all: it shows mindfulness. Part2 - 'Comprehend' (understand, know cognitively), vs contain (encompass). (peri-echetai περιέχεται - 144e, peri-echomenon περιεχόμενον - 138b, etc.) - What I took you through here is the 2nd hypothesis of Plato's dialogue, 'Parmenides' - And the 2nd hypothesis is nothing other than the condition of things that must be said to be present with the Most Brilliant Light of Being that Plato describes in the Republic at 518. And therefore it must be prior to Creation. And therefore the 2nd hypothesis is nothing other than a study of the Most Brilliant Light of Being, understood metaphysically. - Ingmar: But wouldn't the Most Brilliant Light of Being transcend its members? - PG: That's the issue! You got it! Whether or not you can say that the 2nd hypothesis IS that. That's right! More info: http://noeticsociety.org