Jane Hamon & Catherine Mullins: Encountering God’s Transforming Power Through Worship (Psalm 8:2)
Channel: King of Kings Worship Center
Date: 2022-03-10

Jane Hamon & Catherine Mullins: Encountering God’s Transforming Power Through Worship (Psalm 8:2)
Jane speaks with Catherine on 1/12/2022. Quotes: “Worship is more than just that which plows so that the Word can go. Worship is a spiritual weapon in our hand that defeats the enemy before we even get to the Word. When it comes to the character of God, it is darkness to our intellect, but sunshine to our soul. There are things that happen when we're soft to the experiential side of the presence of God, to the relational side of the presence of God.”

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Jane
Catherine I'm so grateful that you carry this breaker anointing that whether you're breaking through spiritual resistance or just getting into people's hearts, you have an amazing ability to bring people into a place of encounter with God. Why do you think encounters are so important in people's spiritual walk during this season?

Catherine
Yeah, that's so interesting that you said that because I think for 2022, encounter is something that God is bringing back to the church. We've been really, really intellectual in our knowledge of God. And there's a book called "The Knowledge of the Holy" and I'm going to... this is the Catherine translation of the quote but it says that when it comes to the attributes of God and the character of God, it's darkness to our intellect but it's sunshine to our soul. And I think we're at a place right now that the church really needs the relational, experiential side of God in their lives. And even when we're talking about, how in relationships there's so much healing. But we read in the Bible over and over again about a hardening of hearts and eyes that don't see, ears that don't hear.

The crux of that is if we had eyes to see and ears to hear, we'd be able to get healed. He ends it saying, "there are things that happen when we're soft to the experiential side of the presence of God, to the relational side of the presence of God.” So, I think right now, God is really wanting in 2022 to move us - the intellectual side is necessary and a huge part of who God is - but if we're not experiencing what we know of God then what's the point of a relationship? I think he's really emphasizing, quote unquote, "the experience in 2022." The church needs to experience his presence in a fresh way.

[Jane] I think that's amazing - I agree with you. I think a lot of times the church just wants to put God in a nice, neat little box that we can understand but he is beyond our box, He's beyond our understanding. And I think the more that we let him really break out of the box, both in our times of personal encounter as well as in our times of corporate encounter, I believe that's when we're going to really see God's glory come and manifest in a very tangible experiential way. I think that the church has become kind of heady, kind of like let's sing the songs, let's say the words, but I think that we've have a generation that has been void of the actual spiritual encounter and transformation that comes when we encounter God. What have you experienced in the way of transformation - not just individually, but on a corporate level?

[Catherine] It's a great question. We're all up in our heads which is not a bad thing... We need to understand the scriptures. But when I look at a generation... intellectualism is all good and well but if they're still bound in their chains, it doesn't matter. So, what we're seeing is a generation hungry for that relational, experiential side of God. 

There's really been this fight against, I think in the church for us to forget the altar side of ministry. But we need that transforming work in that moment. We need to make room in our services again for God to transform the lives of people. And that happens in altar moments. That happens when we make room for Holy Spirit to say what he wants to say. We're seeing that, really all over, that people are saying I'm hungry for the real thing. And it always gets back to that - I'm hungry for the real thing. I really think the anecdote for all this intellectualism... I'm hearing so many young people come up with all of these, kind of high-sounding nonsense, that's what the Bible calls it - high-sounding nonsense. And it sounds good, but if you're still in your chains then something is missing.  When people who are making a decision to press into that experience we're seeing chains break all over the place.

[Jane] In times of worship, people get healed, set free, delivered. They have these life-altering, life changing moments. I know that I have!  I can point back to different encounter moments that I've had with God that have absolutely transformed me.