The Tragedy of Star Wars - Part 2 of My Interview with Sophie Le Corre
Channel: Carl Jung Depth Psychology Reading Group
Date: 2020-01-28

This is part 2 of the interview between Sophie Le Corre, a member of our Carl Jung Depth Psychology Advanced Reading Group, and Skip Conover, the Founder of the Group.  The discussion relates primarily to the late-2019 released movie entitled _The Rise of Skywalker_.”  This interview was conducted on January 4, 2020.

Part 1 of this interview can be found here: https://youtu.be/LxDuabjjL2c 

Thumbnail & Credit Image — Rey and Kylo Ren fight with light sabres in official movie poster for _The Rise of Skywalker_.

00:05 - This part 2 begins with a discussion of The Prime Jedi.

01:30 - Did the writers and producers of _Star Wars_ have the very broad vision of the epic from the beginning, which was over 40 years ago?

01:45 - Role of George Lucas and Joseph Campbell, as well as J.J. Abrams and Ryan Johnson.

03:10 - Ryan Johnson studied Jungian Psychology.

03:45  - Sophie studied IT in university.

04:20 - Sophie was looking for spoilers, and after seeing one, she decided not to see _The Rise of Skywalker_.

07:35 - Lineage of Kylo Ren.

10:00 - Disturbing ideas of how Rey was saved from the Emperor.

11:55 - You don’t have to have a powerful Jedi ancestor in order to be a powerful Jedi.

14:10 - The Hero’s Journey is too superficial.

14:40 - Part 1 of this Interview can be found here, including Skip’s reading of an excerpt from Plato’s _Symposium_: https://youtu.be/LxDuabjjL2c 

15:04 - The problem with our religions is that they are all looking backward to a new aeon of consciousness, rather than looking forward to where the Spirit is taking us.

15:33 - We have a new day of Consciousness dawning.

16:25 - The Tragedy of Star Wars is when Anikin Skywalker is overcome by the Dark Side (The Shadow), in the prequel trilogy.

16:40 - What was expected is that “Kylo Ren” (Ben Solo) would heal the great tragedy of the family. 

18:55 - Why do they call it _The Rise of Skywalker_?

22:47 - “The very fact that we’re having this conversation means that the next story can be better and will be better.”

24:16 - Enantiodromia - Yin becomes Yang and vice versa.

24:35 - Why Skip liked the ending - the significance of the Coniunctio.  Sophie’s erudite debate with Skip! 

32:42 - The significance of Star Wars as it relates to WWI and WWII and the history of the 20th Century.

34:08 - Where is the point where Kylo Ren sees his Ben Solo side?

39:50 - Rey’s main wound is that she felt alone.

42:17 - “The conjunction that I thought was quite beautiful was …”

51:12 - How to know your Psyche is communicating with you.

53:10 - What was George Lucas hinting at in the prequel trilogy? 

53:29 - Reference to Erich Neumann’s book _Psychology and a New Ethic_.

55:18 - Reference to Dr. Edward Edinger’s lecture: “Individuation: A Myth for Modern Man” https://www.archetypeinaction.com/index.php/en/more-tools-to-change-society/222-jungian-topics/references-to-edward-edinger/4671-edward-edinger-individuation-a-myth-for-modern-man 

55:45 - You shouldn’t try to start the Individuation process too young!

58:22 - Sophie disagrees with Skip that Rey is Individuated at the end.  She’s right! It takes a woman to see it!

01:02:00 - We can interpret Rey’s smile like _The Joker_, that she is repressing her darkness.

01:07:15 - Once you’ve been through the hero’s journey once or 20 times, then what?

01:14:55 - What is Luke teaching Rey on the island?

You are encouraged to watch the remarkable 3.25 minute documentary by Digital Fusion on the making of the 2009 Folio Edition of Dr. Jung's Red Book: https://youtu.be/nIBQFSwX1UY  

You can support Skip's work with a SuperChat or on Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/SkipConover; or via PayPal at skip.conover@gmail.com 

NOTE: Skip Conover is NOT a mental health professional, but has been studying the work of Dr. C.G. Jung since 1987.  If you feel seriously depressed, or have other mental health issues, please contact a licensed mental health professional in your area.  

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