1985-03-08 NSFRI - Plato - Alcibiades - Why Justice and Wisdom Are Needed In Order to Pray
Channel: Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Date: 2018-03-09

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 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society -- 1985-03-08 NSFRI - Plato - Alcibiades - Why Justice and Wisdom Are Needed In Order to Pray
Dialogue(s): alcibiades Stephanus Sections Covered: 239, 255, 269-279 Summary: 4th Discussion of Plato's "Alcibiades". Full reading without interruption for first 31 minutes. Then, key points made at stephanus 239, 255, 269-279. Best for students already familiar with this work- see prior meetings. Good discussion - participants had a good grasp of the dialogue already. Topics or Questions covered: The obstetric art/midwifery prayer and who should pray ignorance, wisdom and those in between (objects of midwifery). Alcibiades' view of himself reveals his desire to be the biggest tyrant of all. Socrates' view of Alcibiades is that there is a mist in front of his eyes that only a god can remove! Note- Pierre's comment at the end (1985) is not unlike something he could say now in 2017! "The wrong people are praying and the gods are granting the prayers of the right!" (Thanks to BillD for videotaping and to JulieP for title, Stephanus numbers, and above notes.) More info: http://noeticsociety.org Stephanus Sections, Explicit (for searching): 239a 239b 239c 239d 239e 255a 255b 255c 255d 255e 269a 269b 269c 269d 269e 270a 270b 270c 270d 270e 271a 271b 271c 271d 271e 272a 272b 272c 272d 272e 273a 273b 273c 273d 273e 274a 274b 274c 274d 274e 275a 275b 275c 275d 275e 276a 276b 276c 276d 276e 277a 277b 277c 277d 277e 278a 278b 278c 278d 278e 279a 279b 279c 279d 279e