Absolute View (Andrius) Grapples With Direct Existence (Jinan)
Channel: Math 4 Wisdom
Date: 2023-10-22

On March 21, 2023, Jinan Kodapully (Jinan KB) recorded his "Vision For Our Future" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0yByhAuSAQ to foster global dialogue after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.  Jinan spoke of reimagining childhood and cherishing natural cognition.

This video presents what transpired further, when Andrius Kulikauskas asked about Jinan's relationship with truth, which is "truth as direct existence". Andrius presented his own understanding, in terms of "truth as absolute view", of a language of cognitive frameworks, where the natural, intuitive unconscious and the rational, literate conscious are governed, balanced, bound by a third mind, our consciousness.  At the end, Jinan accepts Andrius's invitation to join the Math 4 Wisdom discussion group.

Half a year later, Jinan has offered to lead a Math 4 Wisdom study group on natural cognition.  We are all welcome to join.  A first step is to sign yourself up for the Math 4 Wisdom discussion group.
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0:00 Jinan wishes to lead a Math 4 Wisdom study group on natural cognition. Andrius explains that this conversation was recorded on March 21, 2023 right after recording Jinan's "Vision For Our Future" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0yByhAuSAQ  Most of that conversation is Andrius's monologue in which he grapples with Jinan's ideas but also wants to invite him to Math 4 Wisdom and try to bridge that chasm.
4:15 Andrius thanks Jinan for his Vision for Our Future.  What does it take for us to treat each other as children, as Jinan suggests, regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine?  Jinan: The modern crisis is a crisis of cognition. We must address alienation. Understand childhood.
7:15 Andrius asks for a prayer. Jinan has been thinking about beauty. When we stop thinking, we see beauty. And when we see beauty, we become silent. We can prolong that. Consciously stop thinking and connect your senses with the beauty of the world. Andrius: Jinan has a beautiful beard!
8:15 Jinan does not connect with language prayer. Andrius thanks God who loves us more than we love ourselves and asks that we learn to be children with a father or mother above us.
9:15 Jinan loves the poetry of Rilke, what he says about children and knowledge. Andrius says this is a divine contradiction!
10:15 Andrius about absolute truth, the variety of notions of truth, the landscape of truth.
15:00 Andrius about living by questions, and the relationship between a mind that knows and a mind that does not know, which are balanced by consciousness. The rational mind should have the questions but not the answers.
17:00 Andrius: What is a question that you don't know the answer to but wish to answer?  People don't want to pursue that. Thus rather ask: What is your relationship with truth?
20:00 Jinan: Children are in truth. Existence itself is truth.
20:25 Andrius: Where do I sit within this? My quest to know everything comes from deep child. My value of "living by truth" is similar to living in truth.  I clung to my childish vision. As in the womb. Poverty of stimulus, creating one's own stimulus, being an independent thinker. Have I been going on that path of natural cognition or not?
23:40 What is the natural context for you, Jinan? Existence is truth. Beauty likewise. Being beauty. You are beauty, you are truth. 
24:30 Truth as direct existence.
25:20 Jinan: How do children develop mathematical concepts? From qualitative, non-numeracy-related mathematics, how do they develop quantitative mathematics? The body senses, understands, measures the world but without numbers. How much spice to put?
26:30 Andrius: Consider 6 needs and the operating principles to meet them. The operating principles are pre-mathematical in nature: cling to what you have, get more than what you need, avoid extremes, choose the good over the bad, choose the better over the worse, choose the best over the rest. They appear in moral thinking, too. 
32:00 Jinan considers cases where, for example, children consider whether it is safe to jump from one rock to another. How does the sense of number arise? Relook at knowledge from the way children intuitively create it.
33:00 Where do these primitives in math come up? Andrius presents his theory of emotion, as presented at "A Geometry of Moods: Evoked by Wǔjué Poems of the Táng Dynasty" https://www.math4wisdom.com/wiki/Research/20230311AGeometryOfMoods
43:00 Andrius also mentions the 24 ways of figuring things out in math, including Euclid's problem of constructing an equilateral triangle, which he presented in the video, "Surface Structure vs. Deep Structure (Math Epistemology)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_xJ_ph0cwM

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