Middle East: Freedom Through Forgiveness // Part 2 of 2 with Shai Tubali
Channel: CJ Liu
Date: 2021-05-24

CJ Liu interviews Shai Tubali about his book “Unlocking the 7 Secret Powers of the Heart: A Practical Guide to Living in Trust and Love”. One of the secrets in Shai’s book is Freedom for Forgiveness. We talk about the recent violence in the Middle East and Shai’s experience living there for 33 years. Shai describes his experience as becoming immune and toughened up after experiencing 3 periods of unrest and living in a war zone. It’s during these periods of conflict that Shai cautions that we not perceive this situation through our divided heart. This is the part that only identifies with those we love and those we consider to be our own our own people. These are not faceless humans. He challenges us to have our heart be big enough and broad enough to embrace those that are not part of our tribe. As an example, Shai offers Desmond Doss a medic who saved both Americans and Japanese on the battlefield. It’s during these times that Shai offers the idea of post traumatic growth and how we can toughen up and mature on the basis of experience rather than naivety. You can see that everything is love and light because you have known sorrow, darkness, and death, and out of that you arise as an untainted lotus flower. He cautions that we be careful not to close our hearts and take things personally. During these times, our thoughts may go to “life has done me wrong”. He has learned with his feelings to never see himself as the center of the universe or that he should be treated more nicely by life. Shai has also vowed to never be vengeful, cynical, or have negative feelings toward the attackers.

In Shai’s book, and in the interview, Shai offers the story and what we can learn about forgiveness from Eva Mozes Kor. Eva is a holocaust survivor that forgives and even kisses the 96 year old “bookkeeper of Auschwitz”.  While opening the heart can be about sweet and beautiful experiences of oneness, Shai offers that opening the universal heart is also about opening yourself to the pain and the bleeding of the world versus shutting or dividing our heart through hard experiences. It’s through going all the way with the grief into sorrow, death and tears that the whole thing gets encompassed by overwhelming love and that we reach the other side of beauty and compassion. Often, we simply don't know how to be in sorrow and in fear because it feels too dangerous and overwhelming. If we flow into this sorrow without resistance it can lead to a transformation and a form of grace.  However, Shai explains this is not the transcendent part of grace but that the pain transforms into love and forgiveness. The pain becomes a teacher and within it there is light. At the end of the interview, Shai and CJ discuss methods they’ve used to help others go through this alchemy. 

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