anarchists backing bernie q&a
Channel: erin collective
Date: 2019-08-29

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* i'm not actually voting for bernie, but it would be cool if i did get a vote considering how our entire economy sinks or swims based on the whims of the usa

** every version of capitalism can decay into more and more fascist directions, it's the diffuse and stochastic effects of capitalism, trying to make it out to be somehow a plan by social democrats is very much conspiracy theory style thinking


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questions paraphrased because there's a length limit on the description text lol

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00:56 - Why do you think you would be able to build a mutual aid economy before a revolution? Don’t you think the capitalist state would try to stop that?

02:42 - You say you would have to wait until such an economy exists before you can talk about overthrowing capitalism and the state, don’t you think people would only get involved in that kind of movement if they had an anarchist worldview?

04:22 - You think social democracy is alright because it’s not “too authoritarian”, but if you look at the history of social democracy it is one of them attacking and betraying the workers movement when they get too militant. 

08:08 - Why do you see politics through the idea of the Overton window and incrementally moving things to the “left”? 

11:49 - Do you not think people will think you’re full of shit for trying to get them to vote for something you think is shit? 

12:44 What makes you think social democratic governments betraying workers will make them go more to the left, it could easily lend to them moving to the right and seeing “socialism” as the problem.

15:45 I find it incredibly strange that anarchists fall into the pit of parliamentary cretinism (i said centerism, um, oops?). There is nothing about Bernie that's good. 

19:00 His state is the American settler colonial state. 

19:49 His armed forces are the US state armed forces. The interests he serves are the same as any other candidate. 

22:40 Social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism. 

26:00 Let me tell you that no amount of social democracy will ever prevent war. 

27:37 Bernie's objective is to integrate the labour struggle into the bourgeois state and in the long term this serves reaction and fascism.

28:54 Today the social democracies of Europe face a strengthening tendency towards reactionarisation and militarization allowed by the one sided power dynamic between the masses and bourgeoisie created by social democracy in favour of the bourgeoisie.

30:10 I think you will all be disappointed by Bernie when it inevitably turns out he can't do anything even if he wanted.

33:54 Social democracy is social fascism as has been shown countless times throughout recent history and as is continues to be shown today. Remember the crimes of social democracy and its betrayal.

35:02 I mean I don't agree with that you shouldn't try to shift the overton window with parliamentarianism, but there's nothing privileged about social democracy. It's pretty much red fascism

37:03 Reactionary pundits in the US wouldn't be praising the Nordic model if it didn't serve their interests. The only reason why people think social democracy works is because they outright lie about their poverty statistics. 

40:03 So if you make less than 2 dollars a day, which with European cost of living is an impossibly small amount, then you get on the statistics. 

41:18 There's homeless refugees in Scandinavia who are not considered poor by the government.

42:16 There's no privilege with social democracy, and the few social programmes that did exist were no different from the New Deal. It was for relatively well off white people, everyone else still got to live in the depression.

43:11 The only, and I mean ONLY time social democracy has a positive effect is like the first term after the election or so. 

46:22 One example is healthcare. Medicaid in the US is probably better than the Nordic model's single payer system, because at least the hospitals in the US recieve funding. 

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