Destiny Debates Islamic Reform With Armin Navabi
Channel: Atheist Republic
Date: 10/08/2020

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Timestamps: 
0:00 - Teaser/Intro
1:49 - Difference between supporting cultural Muslim vs Islamic reform
2:49 - "You can enjoy Harry Potter without believing in it"
3:28 - Muslims in America 
4:32 - Armin Navabi's audio fails (robotic)
5:18 - Audio fix: abandoning vs reforming Islam
6:24 - Reformist try to use good Muslims to argue that Islam can be reformed
7:00 - Christians in US have become less Christian
7:35 - the religion is tied to values that aren't progressive
7:59 - the quran is the direct word of God
9:05 - the requirement for being Muslim is very small
9:17 - "not following Islam doesn't make you not a Muslim - it makes you a bad Muslim which is technically a good person"
9:50 - Christianity will also be barbaric as long as it has anything to do with the bible
10:15 - Christians have reformed, Christianity has not 
10:29 - Protestants are more radical than the Catholics & the enlightenment movement
11:25 - The reformation movement involves lying to people
12:10 - Leaders of the reform movement & their history of deradicalization 
12:49 - Exceptional people skepticism their way out of their religion
13:51 - Other sources of influence have made Muslims more liberal 
16:31 - Islam & Nazism 
17:27 - Modernizing faith over time 
19:15 - Skepticism does work & reinterpretating verses 
22:17 - We don't want to give religion a defense mechanism 
24:14 - Lying to people for the sake of greater good
26:12 - Religious people are gullible and desperate for meaning 
28:50 - If you believe in palm reading you might also believe vaccines are harmful
29:16 - If you allow harmless beliefs, you're also opening the door for harmful beliefs
31:14 - 25% of new generation Muslims in US are abandoning Islam
32:22 - Best way to fight against Islam is to befriend Muslims 
33:30 - Nazism comparison & revising history 
34:57 - Envisioning a future world where 1.8B Nazis
37:12 - Golden age of Islam
38:13 - Attack on Islam isn't an attack on Muslim & atheist example
41:41 - Getting a Muslim to admit that they might be wrong about the Quran is 99% of the battle
43:32 - Reform arguments do not work because it involves lying to people 
44:00 - Comfort stops people from questioning their beliefs
45:52 - Even in the most liberal Islamic countries there are anti-secular governments
47:18 - Ideology on the verge of defeat put on masks to convince people it's not harmful & short term vs long term strategies
49:41 - Giving people better BS readers
52:27 - Islam as an ideology is worse than Nazism
57:00 - Armin becomes more sympathetic when he talks to Muslims 
58:55 - Armin's background and story from his childhood about being terrified of going to hell
1:00:44 - Armin learns there's no sin before age of reason
1:02:27 - Armin's suicide attempt
1:03:24 - Armin became super religious after age 15 & weird religious loopholes 
1:04:45 - Kindest thing to do is to kill people before they learn about God 
1:05:35 - The only way to reach good conclusions from bad premises is to encourage bad logic, methodology matters more than the conclusion 
1:08:10 - Sam Harris is for Islamic reform
1:10:01 - Napkin religion hypothetical
1:11:40 - Encouraging skepticism is gradual and intellectually honest 
1:13:29 - Askyourself hung up on Armin and got so triggered that he refused to release the video of their talk 
1:15:11 - Armin's argument against Askyourself