2017-12-31 NSSAT - Following the Parmenidean Logos
Channel: Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Date: 06/03/2018

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 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society -- 2017-12-31 NSSAT - Following the Parmenidean Logos
[This "Saturday" talk actually takes place this week on a Sunday. -JS] Pierre talks with JeffS about his recent midwife talk and his success playing/practicing piano since then, then asks him if he would like to up his game and choose a next higher challenge (LISP/Scheme, teaching, writing on NeoPlatonism, etc.) so as to continue further insights (via blocks/midwifery). [The brilliant little book mentioned which teaches recursion via a "functional" computer programming language (LISP/Scheme) and via a unique question/answer interactive writing style:  The Little Schemer by Daniel Friedman. ISBN-10: 0262560992, ISBN-13: 978-0262560993] - Interpretation (by neoplatonists) caused by pathologoses on their parts? - Is there a way to read Plato that is in principle not interpretation? - Interpretation: Adding or subtracting something to a text because you do not understand the higher or core point being made, and/or you think the text itself is insufficient. - On what basis can you say that even Plato himself must be interpreting Parmenides? - Following the Parmenidean Logos (as exemplified by Parmenides' way of reasoning in Plato's dialogue, Parmenides ) - The Republic also carries the same idea (once it is translated correctly): What after all is the One-Self? - JulieH suggests to JeffS that he teach anthro of philosophy/Self - Pierre asks JulieH what effect studying the Parmenides dialogue has had on her - Discussion of JulieH's goals and possibly becoming a meditation teacher - JulieH dialogueing with Nancy on meditation - "The Self aware of the non-Self" - When you are meditating, are you aware of the Self meditating?  (If yes, then it is not a high level of meditating, because you are not at that moment being yourself.) - Pierre to Nancy: Why do you need to meditate? - Barbara asking JeffS about "the old Self" and where there was any logos in his change / self-insight playing the piano - Barbara brings to our attention a Guardian article about Byron Katie and her 4 questions that seem to help alleviate depression (and anxiety) for some people. The four questions being: Is it true? Can you absolutely know it’s true? How do you react, what happens, when you believe the thought? Who would you be without the thought? - The fact of the inability for most people to describe their actual experience. (Regina: thus they could be "interpreting" even their own experience) - There are few autobiographies that Pierre has found interesting, because they cannot escape their own pathologos when explaining their lives. Exceptions are autobiographies by Muktananda and Paramahansa Yogananda. Pierre's 1998 book on Midwifery and the "Pathologos", together with Regina Uliana: Philosophical Midwifery: A New Paradigm for Understanding Human Problems With Its Validation softcover: ISBN-13: 978-0964819115 ISBN-10: 0964819112 hardback: ISBN-13: 978-0964819122 ISBN-10: 0964819120 (Though Pierre has written several other books, and as of today continues to write, we often refer fondly to this one as "The Orange Sutra" because of its truly original thinking, far reach and implications, deeply profound insights, and ultimately for its huge potential to elevate the human race. Many of us in the NS would rate this book one of the best and most important books -- even perhaps the single best / most important -- written in the last 100 years.) More info on Pierre: http://noeticsociety.org/pierre-grimes/ More info on The Noetic Society: http://noeticsociety.org