Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 4435, Simon Haile, Va.

SERVICE
NUMBER
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Hale Simon
R 4435
Hail
n Hale
CONTENTS

V. 34.460. Simon Hall Illinois
Act 7. June '32
Hon. W. Robinson, Senate US

Declaration
In order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7 th 1832.
State of Illinois }
White County } ss. On this eleventh day of April A.D. 1838 personally appeared in Open Court before the judge of the Fourth Judicial Circuit in the State of Illinois, now sitting in the County of White State of Illinois, Simon Hail a resident of said County in the State of Illinois aged eighty years, who being first duly sworn according to Law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress, passed June 7 th 1832.
That he entered the service of the United States as a Volunteer in the early part of the year of our Lord 1777. That he served during this tour about eight weeks, that he was in no engagement, but, was continually during the time with scouting parties, That he volunteered as a Volunteer in the Militia, That the names of the Officers under whom he served were Col. Wells, Maj. George Ben and Capt. Mills Laurence.
He volunteered again in 1778 and was about 8 weeks. That he was in no engagement during this time but engaged in scouting parties, his Officers were the same as before except his Capt. who during this tour was Emanuel Wells. That he was again called out in 1779 and served 8 weeks in scouting parties, the same Officers whom  that he was under in his first tour, his Capt was Capt. John Hodge. That he was again called upon and volunteered in 1781 - that he continued in service 18 months and was discharged but a few weeks previous to the surrender of Cornwallis, all of which time he was engaged in scouting parties, scurrying the Country, and that he served as orderly Sergeant during all or a considerable portion of this time, That he was in no skirmish or engagement of any note, nor was stationed at any one place for any considerable length of time. That Col Wells commanded the

regiment to which he belonged, once that his Captain's name was Thomas Fearn, He cannot state the day of the month in which he entered the service in either of aforementioned troops, but thinks he entered the service first in the Winter of 1777. - That he served as a volunteer in the Militia, That he cannot say whether Col Wells was a Genl in the Army or not, or was a Genl before he went into the Army, sometimes they called him (Wells) General and sometimes Col. That he has no documentary evidence once that he knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his services, And that he has no written discharge. Further he states that he was Born in Isle of Wight County in Virginia, in 1758, That he has no record of his age, That he lived in said County when he volunteered into the Army, That he lived there till 1797, then removed to Cartwright County N. Carolina and lived there till 1806, then removed to East Tennessee on Pigeon River where he lived 1 year then removed to W. Tennessee Smith County lived there 1 year then removed to Bedford County West Tennessee and lived there 14 years then came to White County and State of Illinois where he has resided ever since.
John Porter and James Silman live in my neighbourhood and can testify as to my character for veracity and their belief in my services, as a revolutionary soldier.
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of the agency of any state in the United States.
Simon Hail Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid J. P. Ratcliff, Clerk before me.
We John Porter a Clergyman residing in the County of White and State of Illinois and James Silman of the same County and State do hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with Simon Hail who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be eighty years of age that he is respected and believed in the neighbourhood where he resides, to have been a soldier in the Revolution and

That we concur in that opinion Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid Ja Watcloff Clk
John Porter James Silman
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories presented by the War Department that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier and served as he states. And the Court further certifies that it appears to them that John Porter who has signed the preceding certificate is a Glynlynn resident in the County of White State of Illinois, that James Silman who has also signed the same is a resident in the same County and State and is a credible person and that their statement is entitled to credence.
J. Harlan,
I James Ratcliff Clerk of the Court of White County and State of Illinois do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Simon Hail for a pension In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of Office this 11th day of April AD 1838
Ja, Ratcliff Clerk

February 12, 1932
Mrs. Oscar Seiffer Evansville Indiana
BA-J/MCS
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter of January 15, 1932, requesting information in regard to Samuel Hale or Simon Hale, a soldier of the Revolution.
The Revolutionary War records of this office fail to afford any information in regard to a Samuel Hale of Virginia and Illinois and the following is the history of the only soldier named Simon Hale (searched under all spellings of the name) that is found in said records.
The data contained herein are obtained from papers on file in pension claim, R. 4435, based upon the Revolutionary War service of Simon Hale, Hail or Haile (he signed all three ways).
He was born January 1, 1758, in Isle of Wight County, Virginia.
He applied for pension April 11, 1838, while living in White County, Illinois.
He alleged that while a resident of Isle of Wight County, Virginia, he enlisted in 1777, 1778 or 1779, and served four tours of eight weeks each, his service ending three weeks before the capture of Cornwallis, and that he was private and orderly sergeant with the Virginia troops under Captains Mills Lawrence, Emanuel Wells, John Hodge and Thomas Fearn, and Colonel Brook Wells.
His claim for pension was not allowed as he failed to furnish proof of the alleged service.
He stated that he moved to "Cartright County, North Carolina," in 1797, moved to East Tennessee in 1806, one year later moved to Smith County, Tennessee, one year later moved to Bedford County, Tennessee, and fourteen years later moved to White County, Illinois.

In 1854, one Asa Hale was living in White County, Illinois, relation to soldier not given.
It was not stated whether the soldier was married.
Very truly yours,
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator

Simon Hail Illinois
Rejected
See let. 27 th April 1838 Hon. J. M. Robinson
did not serve in a regularly organized corp & by order of competent authority.

Simon Haile Illinois
Suspended
See let. 20 th April 1841 D. Hays
Let to J. Boyle Sept 14 1844 Let to Wm Q. B. Hicklin ✓ March 3. 1846.
4435
Act 7 June 1832

REJECTED
4435
P. O.
Simon Haile
Service: _____
Enlisted: _____, 18 .
Discharged: _____, 18 .
Application filed: _____, 18 . List of 185-2 gives fol. reason for suspension. "For specification & proof of service!"
Alleges: _____
Re-enlisted: _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract.
Cert. of Dis. Searched for _____, 18 .

1922 Feb. 12 hist. to Mrs. Oscar Seiffer u.s.

Revolutionary
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Evansville, Ind.
Jan. 15, 1932.
Veterans Administration Bureau of Pensions Washington, D. C.
Dear Sir, I would like to have all available information about
1. Samuel Hale , or Simon Hale who served in the Revolutionary War from Virginia. Coming to Illinois he settled in White County and applied for a pension. He died at the age of 98 years. "Virginia Records" and "County History"
2. William Hood served as ensign in Capt. James Calderwood's Company, Colonel Daniel Morgan's Regiment of Virginia troops from May 31, 1777, to November 30, 1778. He came to White County, Illinois, and died there in 1827. He was pensioned.
Is anything given concerning the children of these two men or their place of burial?
Thanking you, I am,
Very truly yours,
Frances Seiffer
Mrs Oscar Seiffer
Evansville, Indiana.
F. Seiffer

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Declaration
In order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress of the 7 th of June 1832
On this Seventh day of April 1841 personally appeared in open court. Before the Hon William Wilson Chief Justice of the State of Illinois and Judge of the White Circuit Court now sitting at Carini in the State aforesaid Simon Haile aged Eighty two years and three months, who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7 th 1832 that he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers, and served as herein stated
He resided in the State of Virginia, County of Isle of Wight - the Militia of the County were classed and he belonged to class No 4 In the latter part of the year 1778 he was drafted (or called out to serve his tour) he entered the service under Captain Mills Lawrence and served Eight weeks , he cannot state the particular day he entered the service, but it was in the winter, part of the tour in the year 1778 and part in 1779 - he was stationed at Portsmouth His Major was George Binn and his Colonel, Brook Wells - His second tour was under Captain Emanuel Wells in the Summer of 1780 - was drafted, as before entered the service in June, served Eight weeks , was not stationed but served along the British lines in the County of Isle of Wight, and Nansemond the adjoining County and was discharged in August of the same year The Major & Colonel the same as above
His third tour was under Captain John Hodge , he served Eight weeks in the latter part of the year 1780 and first part of 1781 was stationed two weeks of the time on the Bay of James River, the Balance of the time was employed against the British lines in the counties above mentioned - was drafted as before, and field officers the same as above stated
His fourth tour was under Captain Thomas Ferrin in the year 1781 he served as a Sergeant half the tour, and the other half as orderly sergeant - The tour was eight weeks , and when he was discharged it was just three weeks before Corn Wallace was taken. The service was performed along James River against the British lines in the same Counties as above - and the same field officers as before

That he has no documentary evidence and that he does not know of any person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his service
He hereby relinquishes every claim to a pension annuity whatever except the present. and declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of the agency of any State Sworn to and Subscribed the day and year aforesaid Before me
Ja Watleff Clk
Simon Haile
We Moses Pearce a clergyman residing in the County of White and State of Illinois and Merit Taylor residing in the County aforesaid do hereby certify that we are well acquainted with Simon Haile who has Subscribed and sworn to the above declaration. and we believe him to be Eighty-two years of age - That he is reputed and believed in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a Soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in that opinion
Moses Pearce Merit Taylor
Sworn to & Subscribed the day and year above written
Ja Watleff Clk
and the said Court does hereby declare his opinion after the investigation of the matter. and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department that the said applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier and served as he states - and the Court further certifies that it appears to him that Moses Pearce who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman residing in the said County of White and that aforesaid and that Merit Taylor who has also signed the same is a resident in the same County and a credible witness and that their statements are entitled to credit
M c Cluskey

State of Illinois White County ss I James Ratcliff clerk of the Circuit Court of White County do hereby Certify that the foregoing contains the origin- al proceedings of said Court, in the matter of the application of Simon Haile for a Pension In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 7 th day of April AD 1841
J. Ratcliff Clk
Question first
Where and in what year were you born in 1758 Ans. in the County of Isle of Wight Va. in 1758
2nd have you any record of your age and if so where is it Ans. he has, and has left it at home
3rd Where were you living when called into service - where have you lived since the Revolutionary War and where do you live now Ans. he lived in Isle of Wight when called into service, & since the said war he has lived in North Carolina & Tennessee and now lives in this state.
4th How were you called into service, were you drafted, did you volun- teer, or were you a substitute Ans. he was drafted
5th State the names of some of the Regular officers who were with the troops where you served - such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect and the general circumstances of your service
Ans. There were no regular troops, connected with the Militia as he recollects 6th did you receive a discharge if so by whom was it given and what has become of it - Ans. he never received a discharge but continued in service until relieved by another Company
7th State the names of persons in the neighbourhood where you now reside to whom you are known who can testify as to your character for veracity and their belief as to your services as a soldier of the Revolution Ans. Moses Pearce, Merritt Taylor, Samuel Chapman, Elisha H. Gales Homer Pearce

Carmi Ill 18 th April
Apr 20. 1841
Mr. J. H.
Mr.
James L Edward Esq. Commissioner of Pensions Washington City

Carmi Illinois
5 th April 1841
Sir
I send you the declaration of Simon Haile who claims a pension under the act of the 7 th June 1832 -- he resides in this County and I have known his connections for many years. They reside several miles from me and I did not know him personally until within a few days - I cannot doubt, nor do not doubt the correctness of his statements - I asked him why he had so long delayed making application for a pension - he stated that an application had been made several years ago and that he had never heard of any return from it - his Lawyer had moved away &c If you can decide favourably on his claim you will please send his Pension certificate to me
Respectfully your ob t Serv t Daniel Hay
James L Edward Esqr. Commissioner of Pensions Washington City
P.S. - Lest the circumstance of the late day at which Mr Haile's application is made, may operate to his disadvantage. I think proper to state that since writing the above, I have conversed with some of his neighbors of the first standing in the County - and they speak of him in the highest terms as to his honesty and veracity old persons do not allways think of the necessity of repeating, or attending to their applications - and as he got no return from the first declaration sent on, he felt himself neglected and often expressed chagrined, that others should be pensioned and he neglected - I can freely say that there exists no suspicious circumstances here to my knowledge to operate against his claim - I am no Lawyer, but the Lawyers here sent the ad Gentlemen to me to prepare his declaration, and having examined into his claim, I should feel gratified at a favourable decision of his case
D. Hay

Letter A. State of Illinois } On this the 1 day of White County ss. 1843 personally appeared before the Honorable, the County Commissioners Court of said County, and State, Simon Hale, a resident of said County, and State, aged 85 years, who, being first duly sworn, according to law, took in his oath, made the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provisions made by the Act of Congress, passed June 7th 1832. That he engaged, as a drafted militia man, in the State of Virginia, in the late of Wright County, in the year 1779, with Mills Lawrence, as captain of his company, and served in the Regiment com- manded by Colonel Beck Wells, and marched over upon the Greenbrier lines, within 50 miles of Portsmouth where the Army lay. His fellow militia men were Jesse, John and Matthew Turpin his neighbors, three brothers and Nathaniel Palmer, and he was with them that first time 8 weeks in all, including the 2 weeks he was going to the regiment at Portsmouth, and coming home. and they were replaced by another company of the late of Wright militia commanded by a captain, name not rec- ollected. He states he was again called out in another term, under command of Marmaduke Wells, brother of Col. Beck Wells, and was stationed up and down James River and was at the time a man charging the cannon was killed and was out on the 2 weeks 8 weeks also, including the 2 weeks coming and going. He was called out at Smithfield, under the command of Captain John Hodge. Being stationed about James River on the bank or guard, when Lord and his men came down the river and fired a cannon in order to land his men, which went over us. He was then

out 8 weeks, as before, including the time of going, and coming home - He states he was called out on a 4th tour, in 1781 under the command of Thomas Farn (as well as he can name it) - In 3 days after he joined, Capt. Farn made him a Sergeant - and in 3 weeks after he made an Orderly Sergeant - and they were still stationed on James River - and he was out on that tour 8 weeks as in the former three, including the 2 weeks coming - and going home - He states that Joseph Moody, and the Gaytons, and the Lowers (if alive in Virginia) could prove his service - He states he left the service finally about 2 weeks before the taking of Cornwallis at York He therefore for 4 tours of 8 weeks each claims a pension a part of which time he was a common, and the an Orderly Sergeant - He hereby distinguishes every claim whatsoever to a pension, other than his own, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the pension roll of any agency in any state - Sworn to, and subscribed on the day and year aforesaid
Francis Hall
We the undersigned Clergymen and ordained Preachers of the Gospel of the Baptist faith, and both residing in White County, Middle do hereby certify that we are well acquainted with Simon Hall, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be 85 years old, that he is reported, and believed to be (in the neighbourhood) where he was to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and he is our in that opinion - John Read Colesworth

Interrogatories by the Court
on 1 st Jan'y 1958
2 Where, and on what year were you born? A. In Saline Co. Va.
Have you any record of your age - and if so, where is it?
A. Here it is produced in Court
Where were you living, when called into service, when have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
A. I lived (when called out) in Saline Co. Va., moved to Cumberland Co. Va. 6 or 9 years, & now live in White County, Illinois
How were you called into service, were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute, and if a substitute, for whom?
A. I was no volunteer, no substitute but a drafted militia man
State the names of the Regular Officers, who with the Troops, where you served, such Continental, and Artillery Regiments, as you can recollect,
and the general circumstances of your service. He may have seen them, forget their names
When did you receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given, and what has become of it?
A. I never received a written discharge - but we were ordered home by Col. [?]
State the names of persons, to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your service as a soldier of the Revolution
A. I would name Daniel Parnell - John Embree and Hose Pearce
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after hearing the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above-named applicant was a Revolutionary soldier, and served as he states - And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them, that John Pearce & Coleman Hodkins who has signed the preceding certificate as a minister of the Gospel, resident in said White County Ill., and that Simon Pearce who has also signed the same is a resident in said County, and that he is a credible person, & that their statement entitled to credit signed - Samuel Hughes - Col. Pierce - Asa Prof - County Comr of White County Illinois

Know all men by these presents, that I, Simon Hale of White County, in State of Illinois, do hereby nominate, constitute and appoint John Boyle of Lake County, in said State, my true, and lawful Attorney in fact, in my name, and for me, to demand, and receive from James L. Edwards Esquire, Commissioner of Pensions, at Washington City - what ever pension, and arrear of pension may be still owing and due to me from the United States, for my services as a soldier in the Revolutionary war: and all other acts to do in the premises, as if I myself was personally present to do the same - and other particulars within him the said John Boyle to appoint for the above purposes herein named - Given under my hand, and seal, before the Honorable, the Court of White County, Illinois, at Carlin, the last day of March in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and forty five.
Within present Solomon Forster Josiah N. Knight James Ratcliffe, Clerk of the County Court
(L.S.)
of White County, in State of Illinois do hereby certify, that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Simon Hale for a pension - In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand, and seal of office this 4th day of January 1845. Clerk of the Court.
Seal of Court - Address me at Fremont, Delaware J. L. Edwards Esqre John Boyle.

Act of June 7 1832
Suspended claim of Simon Hail (Illinois)
Power of Attorney to examine claim
Chas. Tucker Atty Present

I know all men by these presents That I Asa Hale do hereby constitute and appoint Chas. C. Tucker of Washington City D C my true and lawful Agent and Attorney to prosecute the claim of Simon Hale for any amount of Revolutionary Pension or increase of Pension that may be due under the provisions of the Act of March 18 th 1818. or any other Act or Resolution of Congress and I hereby authorize my said Attorney to examine all papers and documents in relation to said claim on file in the Department at Washington City or elsewhere to file additional evidence or arguments and to receive the certificate which may be issued for said claim and to appoint one or more substitutes under him for for the purpose herein expressed and to do all things that I might or could do were I personally present. Hereby ratifying and confirming all that my said Attorney may lawfully do in the premises.
Witness my hand and this first day of June 1854.
In Presence of Henry Bryant Horea Pease
Asa his mark Hale
State of Illinois } S S On this first day of June 1854. before me a Justice of the Peace in and for the County and White County } State above mention personally appeared Asa Hale and acknowledged the foregoing power of Attorney to be his act and deed for the purpose therein mentioned.
Henry Bryant
State of Illinois } S S On this first day of June 1854. before me the undersigned a Justice of the Peace in and White County } for the County and State aforesaid personally appeared Asa Hale a resident of said County and made oath according to the law that he is the identical Asa Hale who executed the foregoing power of Attorney and that he is directly interested in said claim and makes this affidavit to be filed with such additional evidence or arguments as my said Attorney may use in prosecuting said claim
Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written
Asa his mark Hale
Henry Bryant
State of Illinois } S S
White County } I R. S. Graham, Clerk of the County Court do hereby certify that Henry Bryant Esq before whom the foregoing affidavit and acknowledgement were made and who has herunto signed his name was at the time of so doing a Justice of the Peace in and for the County and State aforesaid duly commissioned and sworn and that all his official acts as such are entitled to full faith and credit.
In testimony whereof I have herunto signed my name and affixed my official seal this 5 th day of June 1854.
R. S. Graham Clerk

House of Reps July 15-1846
Sir Mr John Bayle of Illinois has sent me a letter with enclosures making enquiries about some pension claims.
Have the goodness to give me any information that you may have relative to the matter & send me a copy of the forms & instructions that he may be enabled to place his claims in a proper shape
very respect. Orlando B. Fitch

24460 Simon Hale Ill
List to Ralph 1844-45
act 7 June 1832

Carmi Illinois

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JAN
Warmi Ill the Deer - forwarded
James S. Edwards Esq. free John Boyle Esq.
Commissioners of Pensions
Washington City D.C.
James S. Edwards Esq. John Boyle Esq. Washington City D.C.
Thames Luzerne County Illinois
July 11 1841

after 27
in at
9/15
J L Edwards Esq Pension Office Washington City
Rev. Mr. Robbins Sarah Ms.

Senate Chamber
April 26 1838
Mr Robinson respects to Mr Edwards born on Pensions - and asks to call his attention to the enclosed application for a pension at as early a period as conveniently practicable - An answer is desired -

101. Gen. Office,
April 20. 1861
Sir,
The declaration of Simon Haile has been examined. He alleges to have served and filed with suspended cases. He alleges to have served four tours of eight weeks each, as a militia man of Virginia. The statement of his service is not satisfactory. The militia were not called out to serve in tours of eight weeks, and the durations of the tours were irregular. It would appear that the applicant resided on the in the County of the Isle of Wight, and it is possible served as a minute man. If so the tours performed by him were of much less duration than eight weeks, the whole of which would not amount to six months service. Unless some satisfactory testimony can be produced of his having performed at least six months actual service in a regularly organized corps.  he produce a favorable

Daniel Day Day April 20. 1841.
O. C. B.
not of that character, proven by of 7 th June 1832.

decision cannot be had, He should himself state under oath his reasons for not making an earlier application for a pension . He applied for a pension in 1838, and his claim was then rejected because his service as set forth was not of that character provided for by the act of 7 th June 1832.
Daniel Gray Esq. April 20. 1841.
Daniel Gray Esq. Barnes. Illinois.
O. C. entd. on indet.

Rev J. M. Robinson
Apr 27, 1838.
I. W.

War Dept. Pen. Office April 27. 1888
Sir
The declaration of Simon Hall has been examined. He alleges that in 1777 he volunteered as a militia man of Virginia, and served eight weeks and that during that time was engaged with scouting parties. He also alleges that in 1778, and 1779, and that in 1780, he volunteered and served eighteen months and was discharged a few weeks before the surrender of Cornwallis, and that he was engaged as in the previous terms. The alleged service for which he claims a pension was not such as was authorized by the state, but was performed by persons who associated themselves for self defense against the attacks of the Tories, and such service was never considered of such a character as to place the persons engaged in it on the footing of soldiers drafted or enlisted for the general defense of the country; and such persons therefore are not provided for by the pension law. The claim has accordingly been rejected and the papers filed in this office.
COV
Plaintiff
Re John Robinson Senate & States

John Boyle
Sept 4. 1844

Sir
Yours aff Sep. 4 A4
The defective & unsupported declaration of Simon Hale has been examined & filed - Unless the rules are fully complied with in the specification of each tour of service and the best attainable evidence adduced, his claim will not be allowed
If not already entered - Enter on Illinois Index 34. 460
John Payson Esq. Tremont Tazewell Co Illinois