Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 4591, John Harder, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Harder, John Harden, or
RE 4591
Elizabeth
CONTENTS

State of New York,
City of Hudson ss. On this tenth of October 1837 personally appeared before the Justices of the Justices court of the City of Hudson, Elizabeth Harden of the town of Germantown in said County aged seventy three years, who being first duly sworn according to Law, doth upon her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the act of Congress passed July 4 th 1836
That she was seventy three years of age last winter, & is the widow of John Harden late of said Germantown deceased. That her said husband was a soldier of the Revolution & served as Orderly Sergeant & Ensign in the Company of Capt. Teale Rockefeller & Regiment of Colonel Peter R. Livingston. That she has been informed by her said husband in his life time, & by other soldiers of the Revolution now living that her said husband was out in service in said Company in the Spring of 1776 as far north as Greenbush where he served two weeks. & again during the fall or fore part of Winter of 1776 he was at Fishkill two full months. And again in the Spring & Summer of 1777 he was at the North Fort Edward six weeks. And again in the fall of 1777 he was at Stillwater & Saratoga at the taking of Burgoyne two months. & again in the fall of 1781 he was out at Balltown & Saratoga six weeks. - in all which periods he was in the service of the United States as Ensign or orderly sergeant, & each service was performed under the Officers aforesaid except the service at Fishkill, & for that service he was drafted. & had command of the men drafted from said Rockefeller Company, but what captain he served under at Fishkill she cannot now ascertain
And this Applicant further says that she was married to said John Harden on the 12 th of September 1781. & she is confident he was out in said service after said marriage as specified above in the fall of 1781. - That her said husband died in June of the year 1824, & she has remained a

widow ever since - That she has a Record of the marriage in an old Dutch prayer Book, but no other Record or proof of said Marriage or said service other than that is hereto annexed to which she refers for more full & particular proof. That this applicant has always supposed that her said husband was a commissioned Officer during all said service, but has been informed that the Records do not show any commission till 1782 & she applies for such pension as she may justly be intitled to by reason of said act of Congress & the services of her said husband.
In presence of John J Harder N.C.
Elizabeth her Harder mark
Sworn in open Court the day & year aforesaid
P. Dean Carrigue, Clerk
And the said Court hereby certify that from the examination & appearance of the said Elizabeth Harder they should believe her to be of the age of Seventy three years as above stated & that her statement is entitled to credit.
I Paul D Carrigue Clerk of the aforesaid Court do certify that the above contains the original proceedings in the matter of the application of Elizabeth Harder for a pension. Witness my hand & seal the day & year aforesaid
P. Dean Carrigue, Clerk

State of New York
Columbia County ss Basent Sipperly being duly sworn says that he is now about seventy nine years of age & that he was formerly well & intimately acquainted with John Harder the husband of the above named Abrah with Harder. That said Harder was orderly sergeant or ensign in the company of Capt Zeale Rockefeller Regiment of Col Peter R Livingston of which compa- ny this deponent was a private. That said Harder was out in service of the United States in May or June of 1776 in said company at Greenbush two weeks, & this deponent thinks said Harder was then acting as ensign Again said Harder was in service with this de- ponent at Fishkill in the fall & winter of 1776 two months which term of service expired about Christmas or New Year - Said Harder & this deponent & others were drafted for this service from said company, & he can not now recollect of any officer but said Harder who had command of them at Fishkill.
Again said Harder was out in service in the summer of 1777 at the north Fort Edward. This was some part of June, & likely the thinks, probably some few days of August, & they were in service six weeks when they returned home, & staid a few days & were called back to join the army at Stillwater the latter part of August, & the said Harder & this deponent were were there at Saratoga, till after the taking of Bur- goyne. being two months this time.
Again said Harder was out in service at Sarato- ga & Balltown in the fall of 1780 or 81 in pursuit of Indians six weeks - He is not positive but said Harder & this deponent were out in the fall of both 1780 & 81 as such seems to be the impression of others soldiers of that period but he recollects one service of six weeks, when the Indians burnt Balltown, & he thinks this was the time when

Walter Bulten who commanded the Indians was killed & that he heard of this while on duty at Balltown — This deponent further says that he has ever been ac- quainted with Mr. Hardin & was at her father's House in the evening after her marriage at a frolick had upon the occasion — And he feels confident that said service at Balltown was after the marriage. He knows that said Hardin was out with him in service after his marriage & thinks he was Acting Ensign — but would not be positive He knows when said Hardin died & that said Elizabeth has lived a widow ever since. Said Hardin was at least Ordinary Sergeant & was an excellent officer —
In presence of John J Hardin
Basent his + Sippuly mark
Sworn & subscribed before me this 18 th of October 1837
M. Fairfield Commissioner of Deeds
Columbia County ss George Donninger being duly sworn says he is now eighty — years of age that was formerly well & intimately acquainted with John Hardin the husband of the above named Elizabeth Har- din, that this deponent was at their marriage & was Hardin's groomsmen. They were married by the Revd Mr Locke in September of 1781. Said Hardin died about the year 1824, & said Elizabeth has lived a widow ever since — And this deponent further says that he this deponent at one time on his return from Fort Edward where he had been in service, met said John Hardin at Saratoga where said Hardin was then in service & he thinks this was in the fall of 1780, & he further says that he knows that said Hardin after his said marriage was out in service for six weeks at Balltown & Saratoga.

This was the fall of the year & about the same time that Walter Butler was killed. This defendant was a nephew of Capt Isaac Rockefeller & as a Militia soldier belonged to his company, but he had at this time served so long as a Regular soldier that he was not required to go out at the period aforesaid but he recollects distinctly the absence & service of said Hardin & that it was after his marriage & the fall after Subscribed & sworn to the 10 th of October 1837 before J. M. Fairfield Compt of Decds George Denegeer
Columbia County ss John I Harder being duly sworn says that he is a son of the above named Elizabeth Harder. That he has examined the family Records kept in an old Dutch Prayer Book & finds the marriage of his parents recorded the 12 th day of September 1781. That he has examined the Church town records & finds that there are no records of marriages from 1773 to 1793. That his father died in 1824 & his mother has lived a widow ever since. John I Harder Subscribed & sworn to the 10 th of October 1837 before J. M. Fairfield Compt of Decds
I hereby certify that I have previously examined the above named Sissford, Denegeer & Harder in relation to what they have above sworn to & it appears to me that they are each men of truth & that their statements are entitled to credit, & that their affidavits were taken after the Court above named had adjourned; otherwise they would have been sworn in open Court. J. M. Fairfield Compt of Decds.

V 3019 Elizabeth Haden John New-York
Hon. R. M. Clapp JR
State of New York Columbia County ss I James Storm Clerk of said County do certify that A. M. Fairfield, before whom the fore- going affidavits & Certificate purport to have been taken was at the date thereof a Commissioner of Deeds duly qualified to take affidavits, that I am acquainted with his handwriting & his name subscribed to said Jurat, & certificate is his genuine signature - Witness my hand & seal of office this 26 th of October 1837 In the absence of the Clerk I have Bergen Dep:

State of New York County of Columbia ss:
On this Twenty First day of March 185 4 before the subscriber a Justice of the Peace in and for said County personally appeared John J. Harden a resident of the town of Germantown in said County aged Fully three years and made oath according to law that he is directly interested in a claim against the United States for arrears of Pension supposed to be due to him as one of the children of Elizabeth Harden widow of John Harden a revolutionary soldier
and he hereby appoints CHARLES H. BALDWIN, of Buffalo, N. Y. his Attorney to prosecute said claim, and examine all papers and documents in relation thereto, on file in any of the Departments at Washington City or elsewhere, and to receive, from the officer authorised to issue the same, a certificate for a pension or any arrears or increase of pension, or any arrears of Pension to which Deponent may be entitled, and to do all other acts and things in and about obtaining such arrears of Pension as Deponent might or could do, were he personally present at the doing thereof; and he hereby revokes all former powers if any inconsistent with the above; hereby ratifying and confirming whatsoever Deponent's said Attorney shall lawfully do or cause to be done in the premises. In witness whereof the said Deponent has hereunto set his hand and seal the day and year first above written.
John J Harden
SWORN TO, SUBSCRIBED AND ACKNOWLEDGED, before me, on the day and year first above mentioned, and I certify that I believe the Deponent to be directly interested in the claim above mentioned, and the particular person therein alleged and described, and that I have no interest in the result of said claim and am not concerned in its prosecution.
Philip D Staats Justice of the Peace
State of New-York, } ss.
Columbia County Clerk's Office.
I, D. C. NEEFUS, Clerk of the County of Columbia, do hereby certify that Philip D Staats whose name is subscribed to the certificate of proof or acknowledgement of the annexed instrument, was, at the time, a Justice of the Peace, in and for said County, and duly authorized to take the same; and that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Justice, and verily believe that the signature to the said certificate is genuine. And that said instrument is executed and acknowledged according to the laws of the State of New York.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my name, and affixed the seal of said County, this 29 day of March A. D. 185 4  Daniel C Neefus Clerk.

Rev. and 1812 Wars Section AWT/eel /
March 12, 1909
Miss Elizabeth Anderson Claverack New York
Madam:
I advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, R.4591, it is alleged that John Harder served as orderly sergeant and ensign in Captain Diell Rockefeller's Company, Colonel Peter R. Livingston's New York Regiment as follows:
In the spring of 1776, two weeks; in the fall and winter of 1776, two months; in June and July, 1777, six weeks; in the fall of 1777, two months and was at the taking of Burgoyne; in the fall of 1780 and in the fall of 1781, six weeks in each year in the pursuit of the Indians.
The soldier married, September 12, 1781, Elizabeth, her maiden name is not stated. He died in June, 1824.
She applied for pension October 10, 1837, at which time she was living in Germantown, New York, and stated that she was "seventy-three years of age last winter".
The claim was not allowed as it was not proven that

he was in the service after their marriage nor was there proof of six months service, all of which was required by the pension law under which she applied.
Their children are referred to, only names stated being John I. Harder, who was fifty-three years old in 1854 and living in Germantown, New York.
The above noted is the only John Harder, all spellings searched, found on the Revolutionary War records of this bureau.
Respectfully,
E. W. MORGAN Acting Commissioner.

Stamp Enclosed
Claverack N.Y. July 7, 1928
Com. of Pensions, Washington D.C.
I am enclosing my letter to war dept. also the answer received and the advice to further consult you. Any information you may give will be most gratefully received. The Van Alstyne, Livingston + Philips St. were all residents of this locality where my great grandfather lived. Kindly return paper from war dept.
Yours truly (Mrs.) Elizabeth Anderson Claverack N.Y.

Claverack N.Y. May 28, 1928
War Dept. Washington D.C.
Will you kindly look up the war record of John M. Hardy
Died Sept 11, 1835 aged 92 yrs. 8 mo 11 days
He was born in 1743.
We were always told the story of his hardships in the Revolutionary war - barefoot, bleeding tracks in the snow, not sufficient clothing etc asked for by his great, great grandchild
Elizabeth Anderson Claverack N.Y.
ASSISTANT AND CHIEF CLERK MAY 29 1928 WAR DEPT.
RECEIVED MAY 31 1928
OLD RECORDS DIV.
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5 Received A. G. O. MAY 31 1928

1929-Mch. 13 Hist. Li accy. miss Elizabeth Anderson
REJECTED
4591
P. O.
Elizabeth Harden
Service: _____
Enlisted: _____, 18
Discharged: _____, 18
Application filed: _____, 18
The printed list of 1852
Alleges: shows reasons for rejection -
Re-enlisted: "married after service."
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract.
_____ Cert. of Dis. Searched for _____, 18

Claim of Elizabeth Harden for a pension under the act of July 4 th 1836 - Not supported by the roles of his company - There is likewise no evidence that his company was in service after 1780 - The claimant was married in 1781
alleged 6 mos 10 das

Elizabeth Hand
Ms
Col
Passion Office Washington
D.L.
1850

Rejected! ✓ not found see let. to Hon. R. W. = = Ellam, Dec. 23, 1857. Bureau copied.
N. York
C. W. Baldwin Apr. 7, 1854
4591
Act 4 July, 1836

Power of Attorney of John J Harder son of Elizabeth Harder.
Isaac N Coffin of Washington D.C. Attorney.

POWER OF ATTORNEY.
STATE OF New York COUNTY OF Columbia } ss:
Be it known that before me, a Justice
of the Peace in and for the county aforesaid, duly authorized by law to administer oaths, personally appeared
* John I Hardie resident of Germanstown in the county of Columbia — in the State aforesaid, who being first duly sworn according to law, states that he is † a son — of John Hardie Hardie — of the county of Columbia and State of New York who was a revolutionary ‡ soldier and that he is directly interested as a claimant in the pension for which application was heretofore made by said  Elisabeth Hardie the widow of John Hardie and constitutes and appoints ISAAC N. COFFIN, of Washington, D. C., his true and lawful attorney, with irrevocable power to examine into, investigate, and establish the claim for said pension, and do all acts necessary thereto.
In witness whereof, he the said John I Hardie has on this 30 th day of November 1852 hereunto signed his name, and affixed his seal.
Witnessed
D. F. Bostrick A. B. Storm
John I Hardie
Signed, sealed, acknowledged, and sworn to before me, on this 30 th day of November 1852.
A. B. Storm Justice of the Peace J.P.
STATE OF New York COUNTY OF Columbia } to wit:
I, John R. Currie clerk of the County court, of the county and State aforesaid, do hereby certify, That R. B. Storm — before whom the foregoing power of attorney was acknowledged and affidavit made, was at the time of so doing a Justice of the Peace in and for the county aforesaid, duly commissioned and sworn, and that his signature above written is genuine.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of said Court this Thirtieth day of November — 1852.
John R. Currie Clerk.
* Here, if the soldier or officer is living, insert his name; if he is dead, and the widow is living, insert her name; if both dead, insert one of the living children's names; if the children are all dead, and either of them survived the former unsuccessful applicant, insert the name of the administrator of that former applicant.
† Here, if the soldier or officer is living, insert his name again; if the widow is living, insert the words, "widow of," and the name of her husband; if both dead, insert the words, "son or daughter of," and the name of the former LAST unsuccessful applicant.
‡ Here insert the word "soldier," or "officer," whichever he was.
NOTE.—When a female is the person who executes this paper, please put the letter a before the word his in every place where it occurs.

Elizabeth Harder widow of John Ast July 20. 1836
Hope & Coffin

I request to see the papers of Elizabeth Harder widow of John of New York under the Act of Feb 4 th 1836, my Power of Attorney being filed among the papers in the case.
Very Respectfully Isaac N. Coffin.
S. Cole Esq. Chief Clerk.

Buffalo NY, Apr, 1 1854
Hon. L. P. Waldo Com. of Pensions Washington D.C.
Sir
I enclose a power of attorney in the case of Elizabeth Harden widow of John Harden of New York. The claim is for arrears of Pension due the children of said widow. Please inform me what prevents the adjudication of the claim
I am your obed. Servt, C.H. Baldwin
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Washington Dec 14. 1857
J. L. Edwards Esq.
Sir/ I Enclose you the Papers of Elizabeth Hardin who asks a pension as widow of John Hardin, sometimes called Johannes Hardin, a division of the result of your examination of this can-
Yrs with Respect
R. McCallan
Ho. Rep.

C. W. Baldwin
Apr 7/54

Pension Office
April 7. 1854
Sir
In answer to your letter of the 1 st instant, enclosing a power of Attorney in the case of Elizabeth Harden, deceased, widow of John, of N. Y. under the act of July 4. 1836, I have to inform you that this claim was rejected in 1837, on the ground that the alleged service was not shown by the rolls of the company in which it was claimed that he served, and that it was not proved that he was in service after marriage.
In examining the application of Parent Sipperly, this only witness to his services, he there makes one of the tours to be less than four weeks which he stated was six weeks in his testimony for Harden  Dooley . This charge reduces Harden's  Dooley's service to less than six months.  C. W. Baldwin Esq Buffalo N. Y.