Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 4791, Conrad Hay, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Heary, Conrad
R. 4791
CONTENTS

B. 454 Conrad Hay
Application for a Pension = = served in Militia and as a Volunteer
1. G. + 1. Mo 1

State of New York County of Oswego
On the twenty fourth day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two. personally appeared in open court before the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas of the County of Oswego now sitting Conrad Hay a resident of the Town of New Haven in the County of Oswego and State of New York aged eighty five years. who being first duly sworn according to law, doth. on his oath make the following declaration. in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7. 1832
That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers. and served as herein stated
That in the month of October. (the first day of the month) in the Year 1777. he entered the American Army under Genl Gates, then lying at Saratoga, as a volunteer - That he was affiliated in the company under the command of Capt Sides. and in the Regiment. in which Major. Dillman or Tillman commanded - (the name of the Colonel not recollected). That the name of the Lieutenant in the company was John Gilph - that he does not remember the name of any other of the field or company officers - That he served in said company about two months. and until sometime after the surrender of Burgoyne - That he was in the battle at Bemus head - Saratoga; a few days after he entered the army: and was present at the capitulation surrender - That after the battle he remained with his company at Saratoga where they were stationed for until about the first of December. when he left the company - the company having been ordered to marched for West Point - That he was

dismissed by the Capt. at the time the Company marched and remained at Saratoga - That he received his discharge in writing - That he cannot remember any of the Continental Regiments he served in the Army with him (not having become much acquainted with the Army during the short period of service) nor of the Regular Officers except Genl. Schuyler Genl. Arnold & Major. Schuyler. That he has no documentary evidence in relation to the period of his service.
That he again entered the service in the month of December 1777 or the month of Jan y 1778 (the precise day not recollected) - as a volunteer and served in the Company of Capt. John Gray, in the Regiment of Col. Stark (as he thinks but is not certain) and under the command of Genl. Stark - That the militia of were he then resided, were called out for nine months service and were to furnish one man from every seven in each militia company - That he then resided in the Town of Saratoga in Saratoga County New York - by a list of service as a substitute and to go for them and and was hired as one of the number to be raised from the militia company of Capt. Holt Drummond - That he served in the said Company (of Capt. Gray) during the whole of said Nine months. That he does not remember the name of any of the officers of Capt. Gray company, except one Allendolph who was either Lieutenant or Ensign - That he does not remember any of the officers of the Regiment except as above stated. That they were stationed during most of the time at Saratoga barracks but were occasionally sent to Fort Edward, Fort George & Fort Anne for the defence of those posts - Then in the possession of the Americans - That he was dismissed at the expiration of his term of service which was about the first of October 1778. at Saratoga barracks - That he does not remember having served with
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any continental soldiers Regiments at this time: but may be mistaken and does not remember the name of any Regular officers with whom he was acquainted at this time - except as above stated - That the posts: above mentioned were frequently attacked or threatened by the Indians & Tories & British Troops and the militia called to their defence but that he was not in any actual engagement during this service - that he did not receive a discharge in writing and has no documentary evidence in relation to this service
That he again in the month of April (the pre- cise day not recollected but believed to be about the first) in the Year 1779 entered the service in the Regiment of Col Harry Livingston company of Capt Van Vorst and was stationed at Fort Edward and under the com- -mand of Col Harry Livingston - That he resided at the time he entered the service; at Saratoga a- foresaid; that a call or draft was made on the militia to furnish a certain number of men from each Militia company to serve for three months and to go to the defence of Fort Edward then under the command of Col. Livingston - That he volunteered as one of the member from the Company of Capt Van Vorst: and went to Fort Edward - That during the time of this service he was in the engagement or skirmish at Bloody Pond a few miles from Fort George - where a number of their party were killed - That he was out on a number of scouting parties; that at the expiration of two months from the time of being called out (there being no further need of their assistance) they were called dismissed and returned home - That they were dismissed at Fort Edward by Col Livingston - who was (as he understood) a Continental officer) and had with him some continental troops, formerly part (as he understood) of Col Warner's regiment
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That he does remembers the name of Lieut. Luit or Linder & of Ensign, Davenport in Capt y Van in Forts company who were out during the two months service That he does not remember any other of the field officers except Col d Livingston - That he received no discharge in writing and has no doc- umentary evidence in relation to this period of his service - That he knows of no person now living whose testimony he can procure who can testify as to his service at either of said for times mentioned =
That (as he has understood) he was born in the City of Hesse Castle in the Province of Hesse Castle in Germany on the fifteenth day of January May in the Year one thousand eight hundred and forty seven - That he came to America as a soldier in the Army of Gen l Burgoyne and had left the Army of Burgoyne at Saratoga the day before he entered the American service - That he reported himself to the Gen l Gates through Major Dillman (his interpreter) and immediately entered the American service - That he has no Record of his age -
That since the Revolutionary war he has resided in the Town of Easton in Saratoga County and in the Town of New Haven in the County of Oswego New York
That he is known to Sarg t Bullock, Theodore Midley - and Oris Hartley and Daniel Hall and many others persons residing in his neighborhood who can testify to his character for veracity and their belief of his services as a soldier of the Revolution
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present: and

declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of the Agency of any State;
Sworn to and Subscribed the day  day  and  year  aforsaid  Conrad X Hay The said applicant being unable to write his name made his mark
D. McPherson Dep. Clerk
Mr Lovel Bullock a clergyman residing in the Town of New Haven in Doweys County New York and  Danire Hall residing in the same place hereby certify that we are well acquainted with Conrad Hay who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be eighty five years of age that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion
Sworn & Subscribed the day and year aforesaid Lovel Bullock D. McPherson (Dep Clerk)
And the said Court Do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states
And the Court further certifies that it appears to them that Lovel Bullock is a clergyman resident in the Town of New Haven aforesaid and that Danire Hall who has also signed the same is a resident in the same place and  are credible persons and that their statement is entitled to credit
That it appears to them that there is no clergyman in his neighborhood to whom  to whom the said applicant is known known, and that the persons are credible persons who have signed the said certificate
U. Freeman
Lawrence Johnson } Judges Oswego J. Reynolds } County Court

I Eric Poor. Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of the County of Oneida, in the State of New York. Do hereby certify, that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Conrad Hay for a Pardon.
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal of Office this Twenty fourth day of September 1832
Eric Poor Clerk By D. McPherson Deputy Clerk

In reply to your request of _____, received _____ for a statement of the military history of Conrad Hay a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau. R. F 4791.
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     Deserted from Burgoyne's Army and entered American Service,   Oct. 1, 1777 2 mos. Pri. Sides ✓ ✓   Dec. 1777 or Jan. 1778 9 " John Gray ✓ ✓   Apr. 1779 2 " Van Vorst Harry Livingston N. Y.  
Battles engaged in, Saratoga Residence of soldier at enlistment, Saratoga N.Y. at 2 nd & 3 rd enlistments, Date of application for pension, Sept. 24, 1832. Residence at date of application, New Haven, Onondaga Co., N.Y.  at Hess Cassel, Province of Hesse Cassel, Germany. Age at date of application, May 15, 1847  Date of death not stated.
Remarks: There is no data relative to family.
The claim was not allowed, for the reason that the claimant failed to furnish satisfactory proof of service, as required by the Act of June 7, 1832, under which he applied.
Respectfully,
Commissioner.

121 Janesville, Wis., Feby 23rd 1915.
Commissioner Pensions
Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir; I am told that a certain Coonrod, or Conrad Hay, was a Revolutionary War Pensioner from Oswego Co. New York and take the liberty of writing you to ask if such was the case. If you find that such was true will you please give me the records on him? Date of enlistment, in what Regiment, Rank, Date of Discharge, and dates of birth and death.
I wish to thank you in advance for any information which you may be able to give me and waiting your reply I remain
Yours Very Truly
J. L. Hay

1915: Mch. 4. History to J. L. Hay. Fr
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P. O.
Conrad Hays
Service: _____
REJECTED
Enlisted: _____, 18
Discharged: _____, 18
Application filed: _____, 18
Alleges: _____
Re-enlisted: _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contra
_____ Cert. of Dis. Searched for _____, 18

Revs. New York New P. Register March 23 rd 1842 Discontinued act 7 th '32 letter 23 Oct 1833
To
Adell County
Act June 7, 1842

ue 23 over 1853
C. L. Galt N. J.
Rec d vol 30. p. 68.

War Department Pension Office Oct 23 d 1837
Sir
The paper in support of the application of Commodore Harry Shuey against him examined - The applicant has not as required in a former examination specified the names of the Officers! nor has he and gives such an account of the circumstances connected with the alleged service as to render it obvious that whether or not the Department to de- termine of code upon the merits of his claim There is no The name of Van Vort or Van Vort as a Captain is not found on the rolls of Col Livingston's Regiment in 1779 - Some proof is re- quired in order to sustain this application The case is justly the subject placed on file -
A. J. McCarty Richland New York

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Conrad Hay
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A. D. M. Cart.
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims , of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Coonradt Hay which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? — no — See deposition - returned. VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal?

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? no Clergyman - but others -
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? none
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? no
XIV. † If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? none
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses?
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct?
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?
XVI. † Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? no
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XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
As to the objection in Quere 11 & 12 -
The applicant has assigned a reason in the deposition returned. There was also a reason assigned in the original papers sent - and is to be found at the close of the certificate of the Court - which was probably overlooked in the examination of the papers.
Objection in Quere 13 & 14 - Answered by the deposition returned.

Conrad Hay
Deposition to amend declaration
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Personally appeared before me the undersigned a Justice of the Peace of the County of Oswego in the State of New York: Coonrad Gay who being duly sworn deposeth and saith that by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service: but according to the best of his recollection he served not up than the periods mentioned below and in the following grades;
For two months I served as a private in the Company of Capt Sides in the Regiment of Major Dillman or Gillman - (Colonels name not recollected) at Saratoga in the fall of the Year 1777
For Nine months I served as a private in the Company of Capt Gray in the Regiment of Col Stark (as I think, but am not positive) - and served in garrison at Saratoga Barracks and at Fort Edward Fort Anne & Fort George - for the defence of those posts
For two months I served as a private in the Company of Capt Van Vorst under the command of Col Harry Livingston at Fort Edward and on scouting parties about there and Fort George - this was the spring of the Year 1779 -
And for such service I claim a pension;
That there is no clergyman residing in the vicinity of my neighborhood, - and that I do not know of any person living who can testify as to my service - and that such proof cannot be had: And further I say not
Sworn & Subscribed before me this fifth day of July AD 1833 the said Coonrad Gay having subscribed the said deposition by making his mark, not being able to write his name in consequence of the infirmity of his age - Donald W. Peterson Justice of the Peace
Coonrad Gay mark

State of New York County of Albany Clerks office
I Eric Poor Clerk of the said County do hereby certify that Donald McPherson before whom the fore- going affidavit purports to have been sworn was at the time of the same one of the Justices of the peace in & for the said County; And that I am acquainted with his hand writing and truly believe his name sub- scribed to the said affidavit to be his proper handwriting and Signature -
Witness My hand and Seal of office this 5 th day of July A.D. 1833
Eric Poor - Clk