Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 22827, John Helmer, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Behmer, John
S. 22827
CONTENTS

Rep d "
new York. 32560.
John Helmer, dec d . late Onandago Co. in the State of New York who was a Private in the Comfy. command. + Captain Damoth of the Regt. commanded by Col. Dubois in the N. York line for 18 months.
Inscribed on the Roll of Albany, N.Y. at the rate of 60 Dollars — Cents per annum, to commence on the 14th day of March, 1831, to 20 th January 1832, when he died.
Certificate of Pension issued the _____ day of June 1847, _____ and sent to G. H. Yates, Albany, N.York.
Arrears to the 14th of
Semi-ant. allowance ending
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by A. H. Wood Clerk, Book E 2 Vol. 4. Page 32.
Payable to Michael Helmer, Adm r for his dam, Philip, John, Samuel Henry Helmer we Wright and Betsy Newman, and children Laura Helmer.

John Helmer
Copy —

State of New York Onondaga County ss: On this twenty fourth day of November 1820 personally appeared in open court being a court of record proceeding according to the course of the common law with a jurisdiction unlimited in point of amount and keeping a record of their proceedings John Hel- mer aged sixty two years
ten years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the provisions made by the acts of Congress of the 18 th of March 1818 and 1 st of May 1820 that he the s d John Helmer enlisted for six months in the fore part of the Revolution in the company commanded by Captain Jacob Leaux, in Col. Willets Regiment at the German-Flats, in the State of New York that while in that company he assisted in building Fort Stanwix and was in a battle with the Indians before that place, and that in or about the month of August 1775, he enlisted during the war in Captain Danwood or Danethes company in Col. Lewis Dubois Regiment in the line of the State of New York on the Continental establishment that he con- tinued to serve in s d Company until about the month of April 1777 when the company was disbanded being almost disbanded being almost destroyed that he then went immediately into the service of the United States and served under different officers until he was ordered by General Sullivan at Tioga point to attach himself to his army, and served as a Battary man on board of the boats on the Susquehannah river and was with his army in the Battle of Newtown that after this he was taken prisoner by the Indians in the service of the enemy and was detained a pris- oner in Canada until the close of the war of the Revolution, that while a prisoner in Canada his suffer- ings were very great being for the most part of the

time in Irons, the scars of which are now to be seen upon him. And in pursuance of the act of the 1 st of May 1820 I do solemnly swear that I was a resident citizen of the United States on the 18 th day of March 1818 that I have not since that time by gift Sale or in any manner disposed of my property or any part thereof with an intent thereby so to decrease diminish it as to bring myself within the provisions of an act of Congress entitled an act of Can to provide for certain persons engaged in the land and naval service of the United States in the revolutionary war passed on the 18 th day of March 1818 and that I have not nor has any person in trust for me any property or securities contracts or debts due to me. Nor have I any income other than what is contained in the Schedule hereto annexed and by me subscribed.
Schedule of the property of John Helmer above named.
   1 Cow worth $12.00 amt brot up $35.91 1/4   1 Do ——— 10.00 7 Knives & forks 50   1 Kettle ——— 2.50 5 Spoons 31   2 Razors ——— 1 — 1 Chest 1.75   1 Pot ——— 62 1/2 Shoe making tools 50   1 Bake pan ——— 1.75 2 axes 2.00   1 Tea Kettle ——— 1 — 1 wheel 1.00   2 pails ——— 50 one real 50   5 Keels ——— 1 — 1 Silver brooch 12   2 trunks ——— 18 1 Knife 25   5 Cups & Saucers $30.55 1/4 1 pr Spectacles 25   1 do do 18 3/4 1 Tobacco box 12   2 bands $43.21   2.   $45.21 1/4   1 milk cup — 25 Whole amt of property necessary   2 pewter Basins — 50 bedding and clothing excepted   1 Tea Pot ——— 18   2 dishes ——— 50   3 angus ——— 75   2 planes ——— 50   1 hand saw ——— 1.50   1 old Table ——— 50   3 old chairs ——— 50   $35.91 1/4  
John Helmer

And I do further declare that my occupation is that of a Sailor but that I am now unable to labor at any thing, that the number of my family is four my wife Mary Helmer aged fifty two years, able to labor for the most part of the time. My son John Helmer Jr who is twenty seven years old, able to support himself, my son Henry Helmer aged 15 years able to labor, and my daughter Eve Helmer aged thirteen not able to support herself.
John Helmer -
Subscribed & Sworn in open Court this 27. th day of November 1820. Joshua Forman, first Judge of Onondaga Com pleas
I Truman Adams, Clerk of the Court of Common pleas in and for the County of Onondaga, do certify that the foregoing oath and the Schedule thereto annexed are truly copied from the records of the said Court; and do further certify, that it is the opinion of the said Court that the total amount in value of the property exhibited in the aforesaid Schedule is forty five Dollars and Twenty one & a half Cents. In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the Seal of the said Court, on this Eighth day of December 1820 - Truman Adams, Clerk of said Court

State of New York County of Onondaga } ss: } Michael
Helmer, in the matter of my application I have made in behalf of myself & my brothers and sisters children of John Helmer deceased for a pension, do Depose and say, that when my said father John Helmer came to reside in the town of Manlius in said County, in which he died, and in which I now live, to wit, about forty-five years ago, he wrote his name John Helmer as it was originally before he was of age & during the war of the revolution, and he continued to write his name John Helmer without a middle letter until the day of his death. Previous to his residing in said town of Manlius he was induced to use a middle letter "P." in consequence of there being some persons of the name of John Helmer besides himself.
2|| That at the time my said father made his application for a pension in the first instance I well recollect, and also that he had procured three witnesses to testify to his services and captivity in the war of the revolution. I understood at the time that the testimony was not deemed sufficient at Washington & my father being then confined to his bed by sickness I undertook to procure additional testimony. I visited a Mr. Walter a revolutionary pensioner at that time living
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in said town of Manlius, and he said Walter being himself aged & out of health I was unable to bring about a personal interview between said Walter & my father & no affidavit was obtained from him - About a year after this occurrence my father died in the twenty- eighth year of his age. I remember that said Walter told me at the time I visited him 3 || that there were three John Helmers belonging to the same Regiment my father did, whom he said Walter well knew - viz my father John & two others the one named John P. Helmer & the third John C. Helmer. I again repeat that I understood my father to say that he served under Captain Secker & Demotte, and also that part of his service was rendered on the Sus- quehannah river, or with the accounts of his revo- lutionary services which he often detailed to me 4 || he mentioned the Susquehannah , which is associated with my reminiscences of those accounts, but I can not particularize more fully nor can I particular- ize or explain the particular nature or character of what he termed his engagement to serve for 5 || the war as I distinctly understood him to say as I have before testified. Michael Helmer
On this 26 th day of May 1847, before me the undersigned personally appeared Michael Helmer above named & made oath that the facts set forth by him in the foregoing deposition by him signed are true, and I certify that said Michael Helmer is a credible witness G. A. Stansbury Judge of Onondaga County Court Commissioner

Resolution
22827 INVALID.
File No. 22827
John Helmer St. Louis Mo
Act: June 7 th 82 nd
Index:—Vol. 2 , Page 178
[Arrangement of 1870.]

State of New York Onondaga County ss
In the third day of June in the year 1830 before me Laurens Hartso who being duly sworn saith he is twenty six years old that he has known John Helmers most of the County of Onondaga and State of New York since they were small boys & went to school together and thinks he is about 70 years old - that before the Bristle Battle he enlisted under Capt Jacob Seaver - was called back soon after this deponent was in the service of his country at Fort Stanwix under Capt Isler and the said John Helmers was there in the service of his country at the same time and knows of his service in the Battle and service under Capt Gray sometime after that further saith not
Subscribed and sworn to by Laurens R. Hartso June 3 1830 before me his mark
Adam S. Huntley Justice of the Peace
Onondaga County ss I certify that I know the above deponent to be a credible witness Dated June 3 1830
Adam S. Huntley Justice of the Peace

Onondaga County Clerk's office
I Reuben S. Hiss Clerk of the County Courts of said County do hereby Certify that Adam S. Huntley Esq before whom the foregoing affi- davit and Certificate were made was at the time a Justice of the peace in and for said County duly appointed and qualified as such and authorized to take affidavits and that I am well acquainted with his hand writing and ver- ily believe the within signatures "Adam S. Huntley" to be in his own proper hand writing
Witness my hand and seal of office this fourth day of June 1830
Reuben S. Hiss Clerk of Onondaga County courts

State of New York, Herkimer County
On the 20th day of January 1879, before me David Holt, came Adam Herter, who, being duly sworn, saith, that he is 60 years old — that he has known John Herter, now of the county of Onondaga, in the said state (and aged about sixty years) from his childhood — that in the spring of the year previous to the capture of Burgoyne's army, the said Adam and the said John, were in the service of the United States upon the continental establishment, in a company of Rangers, commanded by Capt. Marks Garmuth, organized in the then county of Tryon (now the counties of Montgomery and Herkimer) enlisted to serve during the then war, and stationed in said county of Tryon, for the defence of the frontiers — that the said Adam had continued to serve in said company & service, together with the said John for about six months — until the month of March, 1777, when the said Adam left said company, in which said company the said John then remained — but that the said Adam understood that the said company was disbanded within a few weeks after he left the same.
Adam Herter
Subscribed & sworn to on 20th 1879, before me David Holt Judge of Herkimer Co. Pl. Ct.
Herkimer ss. I certify — That I know the above deponent to be a credible witness —
Dated January 22d 1879
David Holt
Judge of Herkimer Co. Pl. Ct.

State of New York Herkimer County
On the _____ day of January 1819, before me David Holt, comm Melchert Holt, who being duly sworn, saith, that he is now _____ years old that he has known John Helmer, now of Manlius, in the County of Onondaga, and named in the foregoing affidavit of Adam Porter, from the childhood of said John — that in the said Melchert was orderly sergeant of captain Dan- forth's company, mentioned in said affidavit — that in August, 1775, or 1776 the said John Helmer was listed in said company, to serve during the war — that the said John was thereupon mustered in said company, and continued to do duty as a private in the same, for nearly eighteen months, until with other circumstances the year 1776 when a part of said company in which the said Helmer was included, were marched for the northern frontier, near Ticonderoga — that in the spring following, the said company was disbanded, without any written discharges being given to the privates, as the said Melchert under- stood — and that the said John continued on duty in said company until the same was disbanded, as the said Melchert understood, and believes to be true.
Helmer, John NY S 22227

State of New York Herkimer County ss
On the 2nd day of January 1879 - before me David Holt, came Adam Hartman, of the town and county of Herkimer, who being duly sworn, saith, That he is 71 years old - that he has known John Bolmer, of Manlius, in the county of Onondaga, now about 60 years old, from the childhood of said John - That in or about the month of August, 1775, the said Adam and the said John enlisted in a company of Rangers, com- manded by captain Marks Brannette, in Colonel Lewis Herbois' regiment, on the continental es- tablishment, to serve during the war - and that the said Adam and John both continued on duty as privates in said company and service until about the month of April, 1777, when said company was disbanded, having been nearly destroyed, and were dismissed, in the now county of Herkimer and State of New York, without receiving any written written discharges -
Subscribed & sworn to Jan 2nd 1879, before me
his Adam X Hartman mark
David Holt Judge of Herkimer Co. Pleas
Herkimer, ss - I certify that I know the above named Adam Hartman to be a credible
Witness - Jan 2nd 1879
David Holt Judge of Herkimer Co. Pleas

John D. Helmer
N. York
Letter to G. F. Gats 22? Dec. 1846
Rev. C. S. Benton
Dec. 28. 1846.
to same Feb. 4. '47.
to same Feb. 22. '47. do
to D. W. Brewster a/p. 7. '47.
Act 1832.

22.129
John Helmer New York.
Revoly. suspended.
See letter March 30. 1832 to A. Smith, Manlius let to J. Fleming Oct 28. 1844.
Act 18 March 1818

Pen cut within - Let separate to 9 ft Yates aft 22 d 1847 separating expn

John Holmes Applicant John Herbert John Hartman } Respondent Clerk of Court Edward
Certified

Helmer, John NY 522827
Chas. H. ...

Clerks office Herkimer County John Mahon Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County of Herkimer do hereby certify that David Holt was a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County aforesaid and duly authorized to make and execute the certificates, to the affidavits hereto annexed, and, being acquainted with the handwriting of said Holt, I believe the same to be his actual hand writing. Given Under my hand and official Seal of the County aforesaid the 7 th day of May 1821 John Mahon Clerk

No. 38248
John Helmer N.Y.
Letter to G. H. Yates & May 46. Hon. C. H. Benton }
Hon. J. W. Brewster June 3. 1846.
Lib. to Hon. C. H. Benton Aug. 8. 46
" G. F. Yates, Sep. 12, 1846.
Act of June 1837.

Reported
325-60
Wilma, decd. late of Onondaga Co in the State of New York who was a Private in the Compy. commanded by Captain Demoth of the Regt commanded by Col. Dubois in the New York line for 18 months Service
Inscribed on the Roll of Albany at the rate of 60 Dollars — Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831. & terminate 28th Jan'y. 1833 when he died
Certificate of Pension issued the 21st day of April, 1847, and J. F. Gales, Esq., Albany, New York
Arrears to the 4th of Semi-ann. allowance ending
{ Revolutionary Claim; } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by Th Dampkin Clerk Book E 2 Vol. 4 Page 82
That Adam, Philip, John, Henry & Sister Wilma, Mary, William, Eve and Betsey Newman surviving children

37248
John Helmer del.
NY.
Act 7 June 32
Service from fall of 75 to Spring of 77 under Samuels Heber of Dubois not allowed — Service on Susque hannah & captivity not allowed —
adm 2
18 mo pri
60 to 70 years 1833 + when he died — To Adam — Phillip John — Michael — Lena & Betsey Helmer & Eve Wright only living children G. F. Yates Albany NY

Washington Dec 23 1846
Dear Sir,
The enclosed paper is furnished by Mr. G. F. Yates to be placed among the other papers in the case to which it refers.
Truly
C. S. Benton

John (P.) Helmer application of son Michael
G. H. Gales Solicitor

W. G. H. Yates Sir
Whereas it was supposed my father John Helmer or John P. Helmer was entitled to a pension for his services in the revolution my father the Helmer above mentioned did make application to the commission but did not receive any satisfaction (much to his disappointment) for in the beginning of the war he enlisted for nine months and at the expiration of the term he enlisted for nine months again and at the expiration of the nine months he enlisted for during the war and served through the same was taken prisoner carried to Canada was handcuffed and fettered confined in jail till he was covered with vermin and finally lived to return home it was a grief to him that he could not obtain the compensation of the United States which he well knew he was entitled to as he belong to the Continental Services from beginning to end. My father was born July 7th 1757 and died January the 20 1833 My Mother Mary Helmer the widow of said John Helmer or John P. Helmer died June the 20th 1836 I now wish you to search diligently and see if there are any record of his services and I wish to employ you as my attorney to prosecute the same with the United States government both in the claim of my father and mother As witness my hand Michael Helmer
In presence of Jerusha M. Helmer

John Helmer
Surrogate's certifi.. Laff! of Identity

In the matter of } John Helmer for a pension -
John Helmer applied for a pension under the act of 1818 - He died on the 20 th Jany 1833, (as per accompanying certificate) leaving no widow him surviving, and the following named children over 21 years of age. These children now claim the arrears of pay which were his due under the act of 15 th May 1828 from 3 rd March 1826 to 20 th January 1833 the day he died.
It appears from the N. Y. State Records that there were two John Helmers who served in the Revolution, & both were prisoners of war, the one served in the Militia Regiment of Col. Clock & was taken captive on the 3 rd April 1779. This is not the John Helmer whose claim is herewith presented. I have thought proper however to present the Comptroller's certificate showing the captivity of the John Helmer first named - the document is marked A.
From the traditional account of the revolutionary service of John Helmer which I have been enabled to gather from the statements made to me by the children I may have mistaken some of the particulars of that service. His own declaration must be the guide. According to the statement of his service given by the Hon: Comm te of Pensions, John Helmer "enlisted for during the war" in August 1775 (as per Commissioner's letter dated Sep r 12 th 1846) I send herewith a Roll dated in August 1775 of Capt: Chris r P. Yates on which the name of John Helmer is borne. He belonged to the "beat" in of which "Dermott" was at that time a Lieutenant, and Capt. Yates's men were raised in the same beat to which Capt. Yates also belonged. Hence the confusion which may have arisen in the mind of the applicant as to names of officers &c. The Comm te also represents that the allegation in the declaration is to the effect that Helmer when on duty as a Battleman on the Susquehannal in the Wyoming expedition under Genl Sullivan (which was in the fall of 1779)

being detailed from the Company to which he then be- longed, was taken prisoner. By reference to the Muster Roll of Capt: Andrew Finck on file in the Pension Office (I have also an original Roll of the same service which I will present to the office if required) it will be seen that John Helmer enlisted as a Corporal in said Company then under command of Col. Goosen Van Schaick of the N.Y. Standing troops on the 4 th day of March 1776. Whether this Corporal Helmer be or be not the same Corporal John Helmer as the one named in the "Military Register" in the office of the Secretary of State of this State it is unimpor- tant to determine. The certificate of the Secretary (which I send herewith marked B. ) indisputably applies to the case before us. From that it will be seen that John Helmer Corporal enlisted in Finck's Company on the 25 th day of October 1776, for during the war - that he was taken prisoner on the 22 nd October 1779, and was returned as mustered to the end of the war. No evidence can be adduced from the Albany or any other Records showing that the claimant was engaged at the time of his capture as a military battureman &c. Such evidence if extant, can only be found on an original Muster Roll made out at the time (a monthly Return) for the Inspector General of the army, or one of his Deputies. Such roll I have never been able to find.
Respectfully submitted
G. H. Wood
Atty for the Claimants.
John Helmer pending claim
John Helmer died 20: Jany 1833, leaving no widow - The names of the children are as follows:
Adam Helmer, John Helmer Junr, Michael Helmer Philip Helmer, Lena Fulmore, Eve Wright, and Betsey Newman
Wm. C. S. Benton H. R.

State of New York County of Onondaga ss.
Michael Helmer of the Town of Manlius, in said county, aged fifty years, being duly sworn, sayeth I am the son of John Helmer, late of said town deceased, who sometimes went by the name of John P Helmer, in order to distinguish him from other persons by the name of "John Helmeer". When he first removed to this town he went by the name of, and wrote his name John Helmer, which was his true baptismal, or christian name. The said John Helmer, according to the family record, was born July 7. 1757. The papers in the matter of his application for a pension, was made under the act of 18 th March 1818, as deponent understood, and believes. They were forwarded to the pension office by his attorney, A Smith Esq, as deponent thinks about 15 years ago. Deponent has often heard said John Helmer say that he was a prisoner over two years, and till the close of the revolutionary war, and that he came from the town of German Flats, in the now county of Herkimer, where he lived when the said war commenced. That he served in a company of Batteauxman of rangers also, but how long deponent cannot say; deponent says he has often heard the said John Helmer say he served under Capt Shaver. Col Wiltie that he assisted in taking Fort Stanwix, served under Capt Demont of the Rangers, till April 1777. That he has further often heard him say that he was at the battle of Newtown. That he enlisted in the regular army, for during the war, which enlistment, he well recollects hearing his father say was proved by a witness, whose testimony is on file with the pension papers, now in the Pension office. That after he had thus enlisted, he was out on a scouting party with five others, and that they were all taken

prisoners by the Indians, and Tories, and was kept as a prisoner until the end of the war.
I recollect of his saying, he served under Capt Gray of the Battauquian distinctly, and deponent further saith that the application for a pension, is now made by the heirs of John Kelmer, through Giles F. Yates, of Schenectady, is in behalf of the same John Kelmer, for whom application was originally made by A Smith Esq
Sworn before me this 29 th day of July 1846, John H Johnson
Michael Kelmer
Justice of the Peace
State of New York Onondaga County ss Clerk's Office
I certify that John H Johnson Esq is a Justice of the Peace, in, and for the said County, duly elected & qualified, that his signature above is genuine.
Given under my hand, and the seal of said County, at Syracuse this 29 th day of July, 1846.
Levi J. Gillet, Dep Clerk (Clerk absent)

a certificate from J. Trumbull concerning the acts of Capt. Seebert Comd. at 31 May 1877
In the matter of John Helmer De Capt: Seebert's Com
30/125/14
Helmer, John N.Y. 528827

This may Certify that Capt Jacob Suler's Comp y were entitled to receive from the Public eighty two Blankets as a particular allowance of one Blanket to each Man, You will be pleas d to make a settlement with him for what Blankets he has received from you, in the same manner as M c Trumbull & you settled Col. Elmore's Blankets & you will oblige, Sir, Yours &c J. Paine
Abury May 31. 1817
To Ph. V. Rensdler Esq

In the matter of John Helmer.
Act of 15 th May 1828.
B.

1 st Regiment.
   Names & Rank Comp y Dates of Commissions Enlistments & appointments Periods enlisted for Occurrences.     Helmer John Corp Trink d 25 Octo 76 W o Prisn: 22 Octo 79 Must to End War.  
{ State of New-York Secretary of State's Office November 28 th 1840.
I certify, that the above is a true extract from a MS: Volume on file in this Office entitled "Copy of a Register taken from the Rolls shewing the Names alphabetically, rank, Dates of Commissions and enlistments, period enlisted for & Occurrences, of the officers, non-commissioned and privates of the New York line of the late Army".
J. Mch. Campbell Dep. Sec. of State

Claim of the heirs of John Helmer for a pension under the act of 15: May 1828.
Pending under act of 18: Mar: 1818.
covering aff t of Identity & Certificate of Surrogate as to death in 1833 & names of Children

Albany July 31. 1845.
Col. J. L. Edwards, Commr of Pensions Sir,
John Helmer late of the town of Manlius Onondaga County N.Y. died on the 20 th January 1833 , leaving no widow here surviving, but the following named children all over 21 years of age, viz
Adam Helmer
Philip Helmer
Henry Helmer
John Helmer Jr
Michael Helmer
Lany Helmore
Eve Wright
& Betsy Newman.
This John Helmer is the same person who made application for a pension under the act of 18 th March 1818, in which papers he asserted that he was a prisoner of war over 2 years. He served also in Gray's company of Battlemen on whose Roll on file in your office his name will be found. He served also under Capt. Deymoutt of the Ranges & Capt. Shaver & Col. Willett. He was taken prisoner while under enlistment in the regular army for during the war . Therefore his claim must of necessity & pursuant to law, be asserted under the act of 1828, and the same is so hereby accordingly asserted & claimed . Reference is requested to his papers on file in your office & the affidavit of

identity of his son Michael Helmer sent her sent herewith. Pay is claimed from the 30 of March 1826 to the 20 th January 1833, being the day he died.
I am very respectfully Yours At. Servt
G. H. WATSON.

March 27 1832
Pension Office
to Mr. March 1832

Sir,
Manlius March 19 1832.
I know not but the enclosed papers, or a part of them have been submitted to the War Department; They are now sent to make application for a Pension under Act of 18 March 1818.
Should the application be rejected, will you please state in return whether it is for lack of Testimony or on account of the service being in the New York or other service, not continental.
I have no interest or agency in this business, but voluntarily wrote a letter for a man unable to write. The answer may be enclosed to me or to John Atkin at this place.
Yours truly A Smith
Hon L. C. P. Sec'y of War Washington city

Hon. J. L. Edwards
Comr. Phila.

Manlius, N.Y.
Oct. 23. 1844.
Sir,
I am desired by the family of Laurence P. Hunter the executor to enquire of you for information in regard to an application which they say was made several years ago for a pension for him. I understand from the family that the papers were all prepared by Judge Walther, then of this place, but subsequently removed to Litchfield, and now deceased. The family suppose the papers were forwarded by Judge Walther to the Pension Office; at any rate they are unable to get any trace of them among the papers of Judge Walther. The application was made, as I am informed, some time between the time of the close of the late War and the year 1820. or thereabouts. The testimony on which the application was founded is now also used, and it is doubtful whether it can be supplied. What they wish to ascertain is whether any papers

in regard to this case can be found in your Department? and if so, to learn their character.
I am also requested to enquire whether there is on file in your Department any papers or applications for a pension for Philip John P. Helmer deceased who is said to have been a Revolutionary soldier? The application in his behalf was made some 15 years ago.
I have every reason to believe that the application in each of the above cases was meritorious. But owing to the inattention and earliness of the parties concerned, the matters have been neglected.
The earliest attention compatible with your convenience, to this subject will be highly appreciated.
With great respect
Your ob. Servt.
Hon: J. L. Edwards Comm. Pensions.
J. Fleming

March 11. 1846
10 dms
Recd.
J. P. Helmer, der.
Church Gap
Court of Pensions
Washington City
10

Attached 11. 1896
Rev. J. P. Holman, de
Edward's Esq. Court of Pensions Washington City

Syracuse Onondaga Co N.Y. March 4 th 1846
De Sir
Will You have the Goodness to inform me whether a pension has been awarded to the Children of John P. Helmer a revolutionary Soldier in the New York line, if so, what amount? & whether payable to his Children who are now living only, or whether the Children of those who are dead are entitled to a share - If no pension has been awarded please inform me whether there is any & if any whether sufficient testimony in the department to establish his services - & what amount, from what time the pension will commence & whether to be extended after his death which took place I understand on 20 th January 1833 -
I have been informed there is a bill before Congress on our last passed declaring that the Certificate of pension of a deceased Husband shall be received as sufficient evidence of service to Entitle his widow to the pension please inform me as to that
Truly Yours J. M. Brewster
J. L. Edwards Esq. Comm r of Pensions

John Helmer case suspended -
Letter of inquiry

No. 37.2 48
John P. Helmer dec d
N.Y.
Act. June 32

Albany N.Y. Apr 27/46
Col. J. L. Edwards Commr of Pensions.
Sir
I received your letter in answer to mine asking information respecting the claim of John Helmer (or John P. Helmer). It seems no papers in that name have been filed under the act of 1828 or of 1832. Have the files of 1818 been examined?
Peter Helmer one of the sons of decd says that about 14 or 15 years ago were forwarded to Washington papers in this case.
I find on the printed Roll of Pensions under the act of 1828 the name of John F. Helmer . This "F." may be a misprint, or if not, he may be the person intended. He is noted as "dropped not continental."
The children say their father served in Bradick's & Morris company & was a prisoner. Michael Helmer also asserts that his father's papers were sent to Wash- ington.
Respectfully G. H. Helmer

State of New York County of Onondaga } ss.
I David D. Willis Surrogate of Said County, do hereby Certify that at a Surrogate's Court held in & for said County at the Village of Syracuse in said County, the most satisfactory evidence was adduced to me to prove that John Helmer late of the Town of Manlius in Said County departed this life on the twentieth day of January in the year One thousand Eight hundred and thirty-three, leaving no widow him surviving that he left him surviving the following named Children who are still alive & all over twenty-one years of age: to wit, Adam Helmer, Philip Helmer, John Helmer Junr, Michael Helmer, Lena Helmer, Eve Wright and Betsy Helmer
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of said Court, this 18 th day of December 1846.
David D. Willis Surrogate.

John Helmer
Pending claim -
act of 7 th June 1832

Albany August 11 1846
Sir.
Your favor of the 8 th inst: in reference to the claim for a pension asserted in behalf of John Helmer , addressed to the Hon. C. S. Benton M.C. is in my hands.
If Helmer's declaration shows that he was in the Batten service when taken prisoner, that declaration of course must govern in preference to any impressions entertained by the son and to which he has testified that his father enlisted "for during the war".
Accordingly it is only competent for us to assert his claim under the act of 7 th June 1832, from 4 th March 1831, till the day he died. You have the muster certificate of the time of his death &c.
I am very truly
Your mo: ob t Serv t
G. H. S. A. D.
To
Col. J. L. Edwards Comm ee of Pensions.
P.S. It occurs to me to enquire whether Helmer might not have enlisted as stated & have been detailed from the ranks to serve as a Balleman G. H. S.

A John Helmer
De Capt. Seeber's Dienst in 1776 etc

To the Honorable the Legislature of the State of New York in Senate & Assembly convened.
The petition of John Smith, late of the town of Manlius in the County of Onon- daga — Respectfully Respectfully
That in the year one thousand seven hundred and seventy-six your petitioner entered as a Sergeant in Captain Jacob Seber's Company belonging to the Levies of the State of New York and served regularly under Captain Seber doing duty constantly till the year following, then your petitioner enlisted four men in his place & received a regular discharge from said Company then he was ordered by the Committee of Tryon County to go with a party of men and open a road from old Fort O'Keighes to the Oriskany creek, which service your petitioner faithfully performed & on his return was sent with baggage to the garrison at Fort Stanwix with orders to continue there where your petitioner continued on duty during the siege of the fort till the year follow- -ing when he was appointed a Lieutenant in Captain John Breadbuck's Company belonging to the New York levies in which station he regularly did his duty as a Lieutenant in said Com- -pany till the year Seventeen hundred and seventy nine" &c (Signed) John Smith
Extract
State of New York
Secretary's Office } I certify the preceding to be a true Extract from an Original petition on file in this Office
Albany Jan. 7 11. 1849
Arch. Campbell Dep. Sec. of State

Syracuse Onondaga Co N.Y. April 1 st 1847
Sir
Will you have the Goodness to inform me the result of the Application on behalf of the Children for the Pension of John P. Helmer a Revolutionary Soldier If the Case has not been decided please inform me of its present State
Truly Yours
Isaac W. Brewster
Hon J. L. Ellsworth Edwards Court of Pensions

In the matter of John Helmer (or John P. Helmer
Claim Pending in behalf of children
Letter of G. F. Yates enclosing proofs &c
Mar: 30. 1847

Albany, March 30 th 1847.
Sir.
In the matter of the application made in behalf of John Helmer (or John P. Helmer) I have received your last communication under date of the 4 th Feby last.
In it you say, that the service of the Claimant under Capt. Darnutt, is confirmed by an extract from the minutes of the Committee of Safety of N. York, and that accordingly you will allow his claim of service from Aug t 1775 to the Spring of 1777 (or about 1 year and 6 months).
I have never been able clearly to understand what particular services were alleged to have been rendered by the claimant during his life time, nor whether the John Helmer who applied under the act of 1818, & the one who applied under the act of 1828, are identical. The son who testified in the case when I first had any thing to do with the matter, said that the tradition of the family was that his father had enlisted for the war. And when taken in connection with this fact, you stated in your letter of the 12 th Sep r last, that Helmer "in his original

a declaration, claims to have been an enlisted soldier for " "during the war" prior to his capture", and that while serving under Genl. Sullivan in the fall of 1779 , and while detailed to discharge fatigue duty as a Battleman on the Susquehannah he was taken a prisoner by the Indians and detained in Canada "until the close of the war". I had strong rea- sons for believing that the proof I adduced of "John Helmer Corpl in Mink's Co: having been taken prisoner 22 d Oct 1779 & mustered to the end of the war," was applicable to the case before us.
When this was not admitted, & I gathered from other letters from your Dept., that the applicant after serving in Damuth's Compa- ny served in Capt. Seber's, & in Gray's Company of Battlemens & in the militia, I directed my attention to procuring such evidence as I thought was applicable. The service under Captain Damuth being disposed of the service under Seber or Sebern is next in order. In your letter of Dec 22 d ult o you say that Helmer's alleged service of 9 months in the early part of the war under Capt. Seber is not sustained. I send enclosed an original Document dated 31: May 1777 signed by J. Pierce Paymaster Genl of the Continental Army, showing that Seber's Company was at that date in Albany on their way doubtless to Fort Edward or Miller or some other post in the Northern Department of this State. There are no rolls of Capt Seber existent; but this Document shows that

Seaber belonged to the New York State troops of that year (1777). I cite this proof to show that Helmer might have belonged to Seaber's Company after he left Darmuth's in the Spring of 1777. If any of Helmer's witnesses represented Seaber as being a militia officer during that year they did so through misapprehension of the fact. This same Capt. Seaber was before & after 1777 a militia Captain.
If the Claimant alleged service in Capt Gray's Company of Battearman (or did his witnesses only do it?), and he did thus serve, the evidence (documentary) I have furnished may apply to the case - Does not conflict in the least with the fact of his having been taken prisoner a few days afterwards (in the Spring of 1779) as I have also produced record proof of, in the Compa- ny of Militia in the Regiment to which Helmer belonged. But if the applicant was truly taken prisoner in the fall of 1779, while serving as a detailed Battear- man under Genl Sullivan then this militia proof will not apply to the case before us. at all.
If the Department is satisfied that the applicant was not a war's man as is alleged, & does not come under the act of 1828, I would then respectfully submit, whether with the admitted service of 18 months

under Deamuth, & 6 (or 9) months service under Capt. Sevon, sufficient service has not been established to entitle the claimants to a maximum pension.
You acknowledged the receipt of the Surrogate's certificate in this case in your favor of the 28 th Dec ult o addressed to "Hon. C. S. Dento M.C."
To Col. J. L. Edwards Commr of Pensions.
I am very respectfully yours to serve B. H. STAKES.

No 32. 560
John Helmer and N.Y.
Act 7 June '32 $10 to 20 Jan '32 when he died
To Michael Helmer adm. for sole use of himself - Philip John Henry & Adam Helmer Laura Falmer Eve Wright - & Betty New man -

In the matter of John Skelmer die
afft of John Lower May 26 th 1847.
N o 4.

State of New York — } County of Onondaga } ss.
John Lower of the town of Manlius in the County of Onondaga N.Y. aged eighty-seven years, being duly sworn saith, that while performing garri- son duty at Fort House in the then County of Irya, now County of Montgomery in said state, he was taken captive by the enemy in the war of the revolution in the latter part of the month of October 1780. He was carried captive to Canada and remained in captivity for a period of three years & eight months. While thus captive, he saw several persons who hailed from the valley of the Mohawk (whence he this Deponent hailed) who were prisoners of war like himself, and among the rest he distinctly re- members that seeing John Helmer generally known as John P. Helmer in Canada as such prisoner of war. That the John Helmer here referred to by this Deponent is the identical person who was the father of Michael Helmer of said town of Man- lius with whom & with other members of the family of said John Helmer this Deponent is well ac- quainted - viz. John, Adam & Philip Helmer, & Henry Helmer
John Lower
On this 26 th day of May 1847, personally appeared before me the undersigned, John Lower above named & who has signed the above written Deposition, and the said John Lower made oath, that the facts set forth in said Deposi- -tion by him signed, are true and correct, and certify that said John Lower is a credible witness & his statements entitled to full credit. That I am well acquainted with said John Lower & have known him for at least the last fifteen years.
Almon D. Farnsworth Judge of Onondaga County Court

State of New York County of Onondaga ss
I Virus W. Smith Clerk of said County, do hereby certify, that Thomas H. Jerome lay before whom the within Deposition purports to have been sworn, was at the time thereof a Judge of the County Courts in said County, duly commissioned & qualified as such, that I am well acquainted with his handwriting & verily believe, that the signature purporting to be his, to the certificate annexed to said Deposition, is genuine. In tes- timony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the Seal of the County Court of said County, this 26 th day of May 1847.
V. W. Smith, Clerk

In the matter of John Helmer de —
Suppl aff t of Michael Helmer May 26: 1847.
N o 2.
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State of New-York, Onondaga County, Clerk's Office,
J. P.
I certify that George A. Hunsbury was at the date of the foregoing Deposition one of the Judges of the County Courts in & for the said County of Onon- daga, residing in the said County Commissioned therefor, And further, that I am well acquainted with his handwriting, & verily believe that the signature to the fore- going certificate purporting to be his, is genuine,
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed and affixed the Seal of the Court of Common Pleas of said County at Syracuse this 26 th day of May 1847.
J. W. Smith, Clerk

In the matter of the application of John Helmer
Certificate of Court J.H. died 20: Jany 1832. Michael Helmer Admin- istrator of estate - N o 1.

State of New York County of Onondaga ss.
I, David D. Hillis Surrogate of said County, do hereby certify, that at a Surrogate's Court held in & for said County at the Village Village of Syracuse in said County, on the tenth day of May instant satisfactory evidence was adduced to said Court, to prove, that John Helmer (otherwise called John P. Helmer) died on the twentieth day of January in the year of our Lord One thousand Eight Hundred and thirty- two in the town of Manlius in said County That he left no widow him surviving, but left the following named children, who still survive & are his only surviving chil- dren, & that they are, every one of them over twenty one years of age - to wit: Philip Helmer , Laura (or Lany ) Helmer , John  Helmer , Henry  Helmer , Adon  Helmer , Michael Helmer , Ephraim or Eve  Wright , and Betsy Newman .
And I further certify, that letters of administration on the estate of said John Helmer (first named) deceased, have in due form of law, been granted & committed unto Michael Helmer , one of the aforesaid sons of said John Helmer deceased.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the seal of said Court, this 26 th day of May 1847. —
D. D. Hillis Surrogate

[No 17-4847]
In matter of
John Helmer vs
Letter of G. H. Yates atty to
June 15. 1847.
Recd June 19/47

Albany, June 15 th 1877.
Sir.
In your letter of the 22 d April ult o in reference to the claim instituted in behalf of the heirs of John (P.) Helmer for a pension under the act of 7 th June 1832, you required some explanation of the cause of the discrepancies which occurred in the certificates of the Surrogate. I confronted Mr. Hillis the Surrogate & Mr. Michael Helmer at the office of the former on the 26 th day of May ult o - and the only explanation that can be given of the matter, is that the mistakes made by the Surrogate, were owing to the careless & unbusiness-like manner of his preparing his certificates. The affidavits adduced by Mr. Michael Helmer on which the certificates were predicated, were correct, and I will say further, that had I trusted to correspondence as heretofore, and had I not been personally present at the time above specified at Syracuse where said Surrogate holds his Court, the certificate would again have been erroneous, as it would have omitted the name of one of the children. I regret that in giving this explanation which is your due, and which is in a measure necessary to vindicate my own participation in the matter, I have been obliged to speak as I have done of Mr. Hillis who appears to be an amiable man & a gentleman. As the children of Helmer, are not a few in number, and they reside in different and distant parts of the country, I beg the favor of

having the pension certificate granted, when made out in the name of Michael Helmer the Administrator of the estate. I send herewith -
1 st the Certificate of the Surrogate, giving names of the children & time of claimant's decease 20 th Jany 1832, &c
2 o - a supplemental aff t of Michael Helmer. This aff t in my judgment seemed to be necessary, to explain some points referred to in the sequel.
3 rd & 4 th - Affidavits of Jacob Haase & John Sower, neither of them pensioners, but both prisoners in Canada when John Helmer was; and they identify him as the John Helmer of whom Michael is the son &c.
I rely much on these affidavits & present them with con- fidence as proving incontestibly that the John Helmer in question, was one of the two of that name who were prisoners in Canada .
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Whether he was the J. H. who belonged to the regular army +, or the J. H. who belonged to the militia when taken captive, it is not my province to determine, and if it were I have not the means of determining as I have never seen any of the papers filed in the case nor even copies thereof. In this connection I beg leave to state that some facts which may not have come to the notice of your Department on examining this claim.
I. And first in regard to a point in your letter of the 12 th Sept r last. I have perused several orderly Books giving an account of Sullivan's expedition in 1779. In one or more of these I will recollect that particular mention
+ See aff ts of Michael Helmer, & of applicant when living.

is made of soldiers being detailed to perform 4) battalion service on the Susquehannah. Unless my memory is at fault I think such a statement will be found in the orderly book of Lieut. - Van Hovenburgh, which I presented to the National Institute at Washington.
II. On the printed list of pensioners under the act of 1878, I find the name of "John F. Helmer - dropped not continental" from Herkimer County N.Y. This John Helmer was not the father of Michael, yet he belonged as well as my John Helmer, publicly to the Levy company of Capt. Demouth # & the company of Weavis in the early part of the war. Michael Helmer 1) testifies on the statement of Mr. Walter (and the 2) affidavits of the 2 other witnesses to whom he refers, will no doubt confirm his statement) that there were 3) three John Helmers belonging to the same Regiment or Beat , of whom my applicant was one, & the other two were known as John F. & John C. Helmer.
I am with much respect. (Your Ob t Serv t )
G. H. V. V.
To Col: J. S. Edward.
Comm r of Pensions.
# That John F. Helmer belonged to & Weavis Demouth's Company I can show by a Doc t in the Secretary's office Albany.

John P. Helmer
Case pending

W. J. L. Edwards
Comm r of Pensions
Sir.
I have been favored by the Hon. C. S. Benton with your letter to him of the 28 th Dec r ult o in which you acknowledge the receipt of the Court's Certificate in the case of John Helmer (or John P. Helmer) and state that the papers in that case were awaiting the production of the proof of his services, required by your letter to me of the 22 nd Dec r ult o .
In your letter of the 12 th Sep r ult o you say, that the claimant in his original Declaration, claimed to have been an enlisted soldier "for during the war". This taken in connection with the fact that his son who renewed the application, testifies to his belief of the same thing, led me to believe that my client's father, must must be the identical person described on the military Register, as having been "mustered to the end of the war"; more particularly since the time of his having been taken prisoner was during the prosecution as alluded of Sullivan's expedition in the fall of 1779. A confusion has arisen in consequence of there having been more than one Revolutionary soldier of the name of John Helmer .

My Client wrote his name John P. Helmer, and he must therefore be the one who declared under the act of May 15: 1828. The service of this man it seems was alledged to have been rendered in "Damoorth's Company of Rangers under Col: Dubois from the fall of 1775 to April 1777." On referring to the minutes of the Committee of Safety & Convention of New York (of which your office has I believe a printed copy published by Peter Force) under date of March 27 th 1777, we find the following resolution.
"A former report drawn by Mr Morris, as to the Rangers was read. On motion of Mr Morris, that the said Report be obliterated, and therefore the following resolution was agreed to viz. Resolved, that the Companies of Rangers commanded by Captains Elias Hasbrouck, Jacob Rutsen DeWitt, Alexander Baldwin, John A. Brant, Marcus Demooth , Christian Gitman, John Winin, Joshua Conkey, Isaac Mose & Lieut. Gideon Squire, be and they are hereby discharged."
Rolls of Damooth's Company of Rangers are not to be found, and this is the only evidence I can find of the existence of such a Company. I have deposited with you original Rolls of Captains Brant & Gitman of the Rangers, the only ones I believe in existence of those captains, but of Capt. Damooth I have never been able to find any Rolls. The claimant's statement that "a Damooth's Company was disbanded in April 1777", tallies remarkably well with the above.

Roll after + John P. Helmer was not on Grays April 1779. see the original.
recited Document. The Records of the Comptroller of New York, however show, that Darnoth did serve afterwards as Captain. He is generally styled Marks Dernuth, & "Hans Marks Dernuth".
By reference to the Rolls of Capt. Samuel Gray for 1779 & 1780, (which I also left at your office), the name of John P. Helmer will be found on the Roll of 1779, + but not on the Roll of 1780. He was then a alleged in Captivity)
As to Captain Seiber or Seaver's Rolls previous to 1777, there are none. That there was such a Captain of the Levis in 1770 &c I adduced a Document to show marked A enclosed, and it is the best evidence that can be found extant. I do not know what the Declaration states, but I apprehend that John P. Helmer served in Seiber's company before he joined Dernuth's.
It is not possible to adduce any evidence to show that my claimant was on the Roll of Captain Keyser when he was taken prisoner, but he belonged to Clock's Regiment , & soldiers were frequently transferred from one company to another in the same Regiment, or different Captains were placed over them, and I have noticed that it is very common, to have revolutionary soldiers make mistakes as to the particular Captain they served under or any particular

occasion. Capt. Keyser was of "the beat" in Clock's Regiment, to which Helmer belonged. I regret that it is not possible for me to comply more literally & fully with your requisitions of the 22 d December in this case. I have however done the best I can, & submit the circumstantial proof I herewith offer, in the confident belief that my claimant is entitled to a full pension - a mere pittance though it be under the act of 1832. G. H. YARIS.

Payment to be made at Albany,
by T. W. O'Callaghan, Esq.
Agent for paying pension- ers; in the Agency of Albany, New York.
Recorded in the Pension Office, in Book E 2 Vol- ume 4 Page 32 by Thos. Simpkin, Clerk.

WAR DEPARTMENT.
Revolutionary Claims.
I certify that, in conformity with the law of the United States, of the 7 th June, 1832, John Melmer, deceased, late of New York, who was a Private in the War of the Revolution, and died on the 20 th January, 1833, is inscribed on the pension roll at the rate of  was entitled to receive Sixty dollars per Ann. commencing on the 4 th day of March, 1831, and terminating on the 20 th day of January, 1833, when as above stated he died. The amount is due and payable to Adam, Philip, John, Henry and Michael Melmer, Lucy Gilmore, Eve Wright, and Betsy Newman, only children surviving.
Given at the War Office of the United States, this 21 st day of April, one thousand eight hundred and forty-seven.
Secretary of War.
Examined and Countersigned. } S
Commissioner of Pensions.

Albany N.Y. Jany 27 th 1846.
Col: J. L. Edwards
Commissioner of Pensions.
Sir.
Michael Helmer son of John Helmer writes me (from Manlius Centre N.Y.) that said John made application for a pension but does not say under what act. As he died 20: Jany 1833, I take it for granted that the necessary proofs of the day of his death are on file with his papers. John Helmer served in Capt. Bradpick's Company of Rangers (See Rolls I left at your office) but in addition he served for several terms of 9 months & pursuant to enlistment for "during the war" in the continental army to the end of said war. His application therefore should have been under the act of 1828, but presume it was under the 7 th June 1832.
I am prepared to supply any proofs that may be wanting, should there be any.
I am your Ob! Servt.
G. H. Wells.

John Helmer
A

State of New York To John Nelmer Dr.
1783 May 21.
To my pay as a Private in Capt. Keyser Co. Col. Klocks Regt. Militia during my captivity from 3 d April 1779 to this day is 49 M s & 18 days at 53/4 per Month.
£132.. 5.. 4
Audited 3 d May 1785.
State of New York Comptroller's Office
I certify the preceding to be a true extract from book A Audited A.P. relating to the Revolutionary period.
Albany 11 th July 1846.
Philip Phelps Dep t Compt r

State of New York } ss. County of Onondaga } I David D Willis, surro- gate of said county, do hereby certify, that at a surrogate court, held in and for said county, before me the said David D Willis, at the surrogate's office, in said county, on the twenty fifth day of May, it was proved by the adduction of testimony, satisfactory to the said court, that John Helmer, late of Cazenovia of Manlius in said county, died on the twentieth day of January, eighteen hundred and thirty three, that he left no widow him surviving, and left the follow- ing named persons, his legal heirs, to wit: Adam Hel- mer, Phillip Helmer, John Helmer Jr, Henry Helmer Michael Helmer, Larry Calmore, Eve Wright, and Betsy Newman, all being sons, or daughters, of the said John Helmer, deceased, and all over Twenty one years of age.
In Testimony whereof, I have here- unto subscribed my name, and affix- ed the seal of the said court, this 29 th day of May A.D. 1846 David D. Willis Surrogate

In the matter of John P. Helmer act of 7 th June 1832 Claim pending.
To Col. J. L. Edwards Commr of Pensions

In the matter of of John P. Helmer under act of 7 June 1832
On the Roll of Capt. Samuel Gray for 1779, which I sent by this day's mail to your Office will be found the names of John Helmer & John P. Helmer . It will be seen that John P. Helmer served only until April 1779. This excellently well agrees with the allegation that John P. Helmer was not in active service after April 1779, & that previous thereto he was in Gray's Company aforesaid. It must also be noted that "Frederick Bel- linger" whose service expired in Gray's Company when John P. Helmer did, was with him taken prisoner & carried to Canada. An exposition of the other services of John P. Helmer was given in my previous communications.
respectfully
Your ob't Serv't
G. H. H. D.
Col. J. L. Edwards Commr of Pensions
Albany Feb 10 1847.

In the matter of the application made in behalf of
John Helmen for a pension.
Aff t of Jacob Hauser
No 3.
W. Smith, Clerk.

State of New York County of Onondaga ss
I Jacob Hauser aged eighty years and upwards being duly sworn do depose and say, that I was born & reared in that part of the County now called Herkimer in said State - That when about thirteen years of age I was taken prisoner by some Indians (it being after the commencement of & during the war of the American revolution), and I was carried captive to Canada. After my return from captivity I took up my residence in Herkimer aforesaid where I resided until about forty years ago, when I moved to the town of Cicero in said County of Onondaga, where I now live. That when a prisoner in Canada I saw & became acquainted with John Helmer, at Niagara in Canada & elsewhere, the said John Helmer being also then & there a prisoner, as he & others informed me at the time & I am assured was the fact. That after said war I became acquainted with Michael Helmer, Philip, John & Henry his brothers & Mary Fulmer, all children of said John Helmer the prisoner aforesaid - and that said Michael Helmer is the identical person now a resident of Manlius in said County, who as I am informed is now an applicant for a pension in behalf of himself & brothers & sisters on account of the revolutionary services & captivity of said John Helmer first named. If my memory serves me right it was about a year after I arrived in Canada that I first saw said John Helmer then a prisoner of war.
Jacob his Hauser mark
Subscribed and sworn this 24 th day of May 1847 before me; & I certify that I am well acquainted with said Jacob Hauser

and that his statements are entitled to full credit,
John Carhart Justice
State of New York
Onondaga County
Clerk's office No. I certify that Robert Gilmore Esq. before whom the within affidavit purports to have been sworn, was at the time thereof a Justice of the Peace in & for said County, duly elected & qualified as such - that I am well acquainted with his handwriting & verily believe that the signature above written purporting to be his to the certificate sub-joined to said Affidavit, is genuine. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the seal of the Court of Common Pleas of said County this 20 th day of May 1847.

Payment to be made at Albany, , by J. W. O'Callaghan, Esq., Agent for paying pension- ers, in the Agency of Albany, New York.
cancel this and make necessary entry on reg. & pension rolls. No 32.560 adm'd 18mo per  $60 to 20 Jan'y
Recorded in the Pension Office, in Book 6 th Vol- ume 4 Page 32 by J. Rumpkin, Clerk.
32 - In Michael Helmer adm for sole use of him & Adam - Philip - John Lena & Betty Helmer & Eve Wright & Betty Newman only children G. F. Yates Esq Albany -

WAR DEPARTMENT.
Revolutionary Claims.
I certify that, in conformity with the law of the United States, of the 7 th June, 1832, John Welmer, deceased, late of New York, who was a Private in the War of the Revolution, and died on the 20 th January, 1833, is inscribed on the pension roll at the rate of sixty dollars per annum, commencing on the 4 th day of March, 1831, and terminating on the 20 th day of January, 1833, when as above stated he died. The amount is due and payable to Adam, Philip, John, Henry and Michael Welmer, Mary Gilmore, Eve Wright and Betsey Newman, only children surviving.
Given at the War Office of the United States, this 21 st day of April, one thousand eight hundred and forty-2-
Examined and Countersigned. S
Commissioner of Pensions.