Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 4438, Jacob Haines, New York

SERVICE
New York
NUMBER _____
Haines, Jacob Anna
No. 4438
CONTENTS

V 2429
Anna Haines
N.Y. Pension Declaration
74 rolls.
not left out 588 in 1782
Vol. 3. 22 Lt 6.15 1779 -
23. Lt 1.19. 8. 1780 -
Vol 3. p. 22 - $16.88. Lt 1782
" 23 - 4.70 - " 1780

State of New York Schoharie County } ss.
On this 2 d day of August 1837, personally appeared before the Surrogate, in the Surrogate's court of the county of Schoharie, Anna Haines, in the eighty second year of her age a resident of the town of Fulton in the county of Schoharie and State aforesaid, who first being duly sworn according to law, doth, on her oath, make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of congress, passed July 4 th 1836: That she is the widow of Jacob Haines, who was according to the best of her knowledge and belief a private soldier, or an orderly sergeant, in Capt. Miller's company in Col. Coey's regiment in the year 1776; that he was frequently called into the service that year, but the number of times he was called out and the length of each time she cannot state.
That he was frequently called into the service in the year 1777, in the same company and regiment, but she cannot say how often he was called out nor the length of each period of service, as the periods were various as to length of time.
That he was also in the service at various times in the year 1778, in the same company, she believes, however, that the company at this time was commanded by one Brown, and the regiment by Col. Campbell, for Col. Coey, as she understood was killed at the Oriskany Battle: That same time in the summer of that year, according to the best of her recollection, her husband was appointed Ensign of said company and served as such in the company and regiment at different periods during the year.
That he also served in the same company and regiment at different times during the year 1779.
That in the spring of the year 1780, she thinks he was appointed Lieutenant of said company and served as such at different times in said company during the year. That the said Jacob Haines

That the lived at the Durloch, now town of Sharon, Schu ham County and State aforesaid, when he was called into the service each time, but whether he was called in by draft or otherwise she does not know.
That in the spring of the year 1781, she and her husband moved to Schoharie where he did duty at differ- ent periods during that year and part of the succeeding one at keeping garrison at Schoharie aforesaid. That during the War he served at different places, To wit, at Fort Plank, Fort Herkimer, Fort Dayton, and at different places along the Mohawk river, and some times at Cherry Valley, and was once in the service down the Unadilla, and was some times in the service at Sharon, and some times at Cobleskill, and at Schoharie & other places according to the best of her knowledge, informa- tion and belief. And she has no doubt but his services from the beginning of the year 1776, to the beginning of the year 1781, would amount to as much as fifteen months. She further states that the her husband's commissions she thinks, were destroyed with some other papers considered of no value after the death of her said husband, as they have not been seen since the papers aforesaid were destroyed.
She further declares that she was married to the said Jacob Haines, on the 13th day of October 1775; that her husband the aforesaid Jacob Haines, died on the fourth day of March 1832; and that she has remained a widow ever since that period, as will more fully appear by refer- ence to the proof hereto annexed. Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year above written in open court before me.
Jacob Noack Minr Notary of the County of Schoharie -
her Anna Haines mark

State of New York Schoharie County. } ss.
Catherine Sawyer in the seventy fourth year of her age being duly sworn saith, that she is a sister of the above named Anna Haines, and that the said Anna was married to the above named Jacob Haines at least sixty years ago - and that the said Jacob Haines died about five years ago and that the said Anna has remained a widow ever since the death of the said Jacob Haines. Subscribed and sworn to this } Catherine Sawyer her mark 29th day of July, 1837, before me
Harvey Watson Justice of the Peace I certify that the above named Catherine Sawyer is a person of veracity Harvey Watson Justice

4 I further certify that the cause assigned by the said Catherine Sawyer for subscribing by mark is that she never learned the art of writing
Harvey Watson Justice
Hale of New York, Schoharie County,
W. Peter Waynes being duly sworn, saith, that the before mentioned Jacob Haines, died on the Fourth day of March 1832. That this deponent attended his funeral. And further, that the before mentioned Anna Haines, is the widow of the said Jacob Haines deceased, and has remained such widow ever since his death.
Subscribed and sworn to this 2 nd day of August 1837 before
Jacob Houch M rs . M rs of Schoharie
Peter Waynes Peter Waynes
I certify that the above named Peter Waynes is a person of permiss.
Jacob Houch M rs .

Schoharie County, } ss.
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John Matthews Brown, age ninety one years, being duly sworn saith, he was well acquainted with Jacob Haines in his life time, and was well acquainted with him in the Revolutionary War, and knows that the said Jacob Haines was in the Service of the Revolution in the then county of Ulster, in the State of New York, at different periods in the year 1776, and at different periods in each succeeding year till in the month of October 1780, when this deponent moved out of the county to the county of Columbia, and was not acquainted with his services after that. That the said Haines belonged to Capt. Jacob Miller's company, till Miller deserted to the enemy about the time of taking the of Sir John Johnson and his men, in the winter of 1776. That after that, this deponent had command of said company as brevet captain and commanded as such till in the spring of 1780, when he was appointed captain of said company. That he was then generally called by his middle name, Matthews, and his commission was made out in that way; that he continued to command said company till he moved away as before said. That the said Jacob Haines was Ensign of said company from the latter part of the summer of 1778 till in the latter part of the winter or first part of the spring of 1780, when he was appointed first Lieutenant of said company, which company then belonged to Col. Campbell's regiment who had been appointed in the place of Col. Cox then dismissed. That he was out with his company to the Mohawk twice in the year 1776 one about 17 days and once about 36 days, and that the said Jacob Haines according to the best of his recollection was with him each time. That he was out during that year at other different periods; that the said Haines was generally with him in said service, and he thinks the different periods of service of the said Haines during

that year put together, would amount to as much as three months or more.
That in the year 1777, this deponent was frequently called out with his company during that year, that he was at the fort in Schuylkill a part of the time with his company, was also at Herkimer, and fort Schuyler, and also at fort Plank, that the said Jacob Hains he thinks was with him in the service each time, and has no doubt but the said Jacob Hains served during that year as much as three months or more. That the said Hains was Ensign of this deponent's company in the year 1778 and was with him in the service during that year at different periods, was at Fort Plain, Fort Plank and other places at the Mohawk & elsewhere was in the service that year as much as three months.
That in the month of April 1779 this deponent was called out by Lieut. Col. Clyde with his company to the Mohawk, was at Fort Plain & other places; was in the service during the Spring and Summer of that year as much as three months, that the said Hains was with him in said service during that time.
That in the year 1780, he was called out with his company about the first of April and was placed at the Fort in Cobleskill, under command of Col. Vroman. That the said Jacob Hains was there, he thinks, Lieutenant of his company and was in the service that time as much as three months before they were discharged.
Subscribed and sworn to the 4th day of July 1837 before me Henry J. Nash Justice Peace
John Matthias his mark Brown
* Capt Brown - out but 1 week 2 days in 1779

+ Capt Brown - out but 1 mo & 2 days in 1774 I certify that the above named John Matthews Brown is a person of veracity. Henry D. North Dist Atty
State of New York Schoharie County, } ss
Jacob Frantz aged Seventy seven years, lacking about months, being duly sworn saith, that he was well acquainted with Jacob Haines in his lifetime, and was well acquainted with him in the Revolutionary War, that they were neighbors together, and that they were in the Revolutionary War together in Capt. Brown's company in Col. Campbell's regiment. He recollects of having been with him about the middle or fore part of June in the year 1778, for he remembers that it was the summer after Burgoyne was taken, they were ordered to go from a place then called Durloch in the county of Tryon, now town of Sharon, county of Schoharie & State before said, that they marched to Cherry Valley where they met others and and marched with them below Unadilla now in the county of Otsego, does not recollect who commanded the company, that they were out that time as much as half a month. That this deponent was also with the said Jacob Haines in the service at other different periods during that year, in Capt. Brown's company in Col. Campbell's regiment, was with him to Fort Plain, and was with him in the service at Fort Stanwix and other places, that the said Jacob Haines was in the service that year while this deponent was with him that year as much as two months. That in the year 1779, this deponent was frequently in the service with the said Jacob Haines, in said company and regiment, as they were at Fort Plain & other places, cannot remember with certainty every time they were called out, but is pretty confident that the different periods put together would amount to as much as three months that the said Haines was in the service that year. That the said Haines was an officer and thinks he was Ensign of said company. That he was with him again in the service with him in said company & regiment at various times and places in the year 1780 and from what he recollects about his service he thinks it would amount to as much as three months, that year that after the year He thinks that Haines served this year as Lieutenant. That according to the best

of this deponent's knowledge the said Hains was in the service before this deponent was old enough to do military duty to wit, in the years 1776 and 1777 at different periods in said company and regiment. That after the year '80 this deponent was an enlisted soldier and gone from Dunlock afore said but always understood, and believes, that the said Jacob Hains was in the service at different periods to about the end of the war that this deponent believes that the said Jacob Hains was in the service as member as much as fourteen or fifteen months at least.
Subscribed and sworn this 4 th day of July 1837 before me
Sylvester Westcott Justice Peace
his Jacob Hains Frank mark
I certify that I am well acquainted with the above named Jacob Hains Frank and that he is a man of truth.
Sylvester Westcott Justice Peace

State of New York Schoharie County } ss. I, John Gebhard Jr. Clerk of the Board of Trustees of the Lutheran Church of the town and county of Schoharie, Do certify that on an Examination of the records of said church, it appears that Jacob Haines and Anna Rettig were married October thirteenth 1775.
Given under my hand and the seal of the corporation of said church this first day of August 1837.
John Gebhard Jr.

18 State of New York
Schoharie County. } ss. I, Jacob Houck, Jr. Surrogate of said county do certify, that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the Surrogate's court, in the matter of the application of Anna Haines, widow of Jacob Haines, deceased, for a pension.
Given under my hand and seal of office this 2 nd day of August 1837.
Jacob Houck Jr. Surrogate.

11 State of New-York, Schoharie County, }ss.
I, Abraham A. Keyser, Clerk of the county of Schoharie, do certify that Harvey Watson before whom the affidavit of Catherine Sawyer, hereto annexed, purports to have been taken, was at the time the taking thereof date a Justice of the Peace of said county, and further that I am well acquainted with his hand writing and truly believe the signature to the taking said affidavit and to the certificate under written to be genuine. And I further certify that Henry J. Mark before whom the affidavit of John Matthias Brown, hereto annexed, purports to have been taken, was on the day the taking thereof date, a Justice of the Peace of said county, and further that I am well acquainted with his hand writing and truly believe his signature to the taking of said affidavit and the certificate under written to be genuine. And I further certify that Sylvester Westcott before whom the affidavit of Jeriah Frantz, hereto annexed, purports to have been taken was, on the day said affidavit bears date, a Justice of the Peace of said county, and further, that I am acquainted with his hand writing and truly believe the signature to the taking said affidavit and certificate under written to be genuine. Given under my hand and seal the of office this 3 rd day of August 1837
A. A. Keyser

V Suspended.
In let. to E. Holiday, Nov. 30, 1837.
same 14. April 1838
4438

1. Jacob Haines - Serjt in batt Miller's Co Cox's Regt 76-77- " Ensign in Jno M. Brown's " Campbell 77-78. " S 1 " " " 79-80 &c. (and) says he was frequently out in command of the company.

Acts of July 14, 1862, and March 3, 1878.
REJECTED
4438
P. O.
Ann Haines
Service: _____
Enlisted: _____, 18 .
Discharged: _____, 18 .
Application filed: _____, 18 .
Alleges: _____
Re-enlisted: _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract.

Sir:
Schoharie N. Y. February 28, 1838.
Your letter of the 30 th of Nov. last, in relation to the claim of Anna Haines, widow of Jacob Haines, deceased, was duly received. You state in it that there was no evidence in the Department that Jacob Haines was a Sergeant, Ensign or Lieut. She therefore procured a certificate from the Dep. Secretary of the State of N. Y. showing that her husband, Jacob Haines, was appointed an Ensign of Capt. Miller's Comp. in Col. Campbell's Regt. the 25 th of June, 1778; and that he was appointed 1 st Lieut. in Capt. Brown's Comp. in Col. Campbell's Regt. the 4 th of March, 1780. This, I believe, agrees with the old woman's statement. The certificate was drawn on the back of one obtained for Jacob Enders, and enclosed to you about a month ago, with some of his papers, by advertising to which the certificate may be seen. The proof of the marriage of the applicant was not, in the first place, considered sufficient by the Department, she has, therefore, procured new proof, in the way presented, which is herewith enclosed to you. The first certificate of the marriage, of which I kept a copy, makes the marriage on the 13 th of October 1775. if the one sent to you is so, it is wrong, for it should have been December instead of October. The mistake you must have been made by looking at a date immediately above the right one, or through some other mistake. The proof, however, now enclosed is correct in the other as it may. You further state in your letter that if it shall be found that the claimant's husband was an Ensign or Lieutenant, the duration of each

term of actual service as well as the particular periods must be specified, in order to a satisfactory investigation." This has generally been a difficult thing for the old soldiers themselves to do, unless it was when they had enlisted and served for a definite period; but when they were occasionally called out and kept in service from 15 to 20 days and upwards, and sometimes for a less period, I know of no one who has been able to state the duration and particular period of each term of service; and to require the widows of these old soldiers to do it, is asking of them more than they can do; the applicant at least is unable to do it, and if her claim is to be rejected because she cannot specify as required, let it be done right off so that she may have an opportunity of applying to a tribunal that will decide be governed  upon by equity and evidence and not by arbitrary rules, to the exclusion of both.
I am, respectfully, Your obed't Serv't Chas Holliday
James L. Edwards Esq Com. of Pensions

11 2429 Aug 8 th Schobane ch. N.Y.
Aug 4
my cdm
Act 36
N.Y.
Free
James L. Edwards Esq. Com. of Pensions Washington

Sir,
Schoharie August 4 th , 1837.
Enclosed are the papers of Widow Anna Haining Haining. Should any thing further be wanting, she would be glad to know it soon, that she may, if possible, supplying deficiency.
I am, respectfully, Your Obedt Serv't
Elias Holliday
James L. Edwards Esq. Com. of Pensions

N.Y.
Anna Haines.
, 36.

Sir:
Schohar Jan'y 30th 1838.
Enclosed are two certificates on one paper which I intended to have had on separate pieces. The one is to be used in the case of Jacob Enders, and the other in the case of Anna Hains, widow of Jacob Hains. It was objected in her case among other things, that there was no evidence in the Department that Jacob Hains was a Sergeant, Ensign, or Lieutenant during the War. The enclosed certificate shows that he was appointed Ensign in Capt. Miller's company, June 25, 1778; and that he was appointed 1st Lieut. of Capt. Brown's company March 4th, 1780. This proves the old Lady's statement correct so far. The other objections in the case will be attended to shortly.
Yours respectfully
E. Holliday
J. L. Edwards Esq. Com. of Pen.