Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 14699, John Hall, N.C.

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Hall, John Betty
R. 14699
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State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County Act 2
On the 27 th day of September 1858 before Ben: H. Bathurim. In presence of the County of persons personally appeared Elisha Smith, a grave and pious man, being duly known to be the person by law, upon his oath made and subscribed to the following declaration in my presence, the said Smith known to me personally to be a person of a reliable character. That about the year 1822 or 4. Betty Hall (who resides in Madison County in the Scioto Valley, and from his knowledge of her, he believes then to be an American woman of about 70 years of age or upwards) applied to him to get her a pension under the Act of 1818. He informed her that the Act did not apply to widows. She gave him a detail of her husband's services, John Hall which he could not refer to proper supporting the Act was not enacted enacted to include widows, which he has lost a mislaid. The same she repeated several times after previous to 1840. He wrote to the Pension Office if his name could be found on the standing roll, but whether he did or not he can say no he can't recollect - at all events he made no effort for the next proof of service, not knowing them of the knowledge of their names. For his Gabbana and Baker of whom I shall speak.
Simpton Dugger

The first statement (and afterwards the same) was this, that before the Revolution John Hall was here in Macon by proclamation in South Carolina, before the War Council moved to Warrenton, N. Carolina, that after the War he had returned to the Rappahannock River in N. Carolina as an officer, and served in several campaigns. Now, I think she spoke of Genl. Morgan, Long, and I think Nathaniel, that he served in the Army she thought during the War, or near to the close. That after the close of the War they moved to the State of Tennessee (Macon Co.) where he lived about  there (she thinks the said) before the War of 1812. That when he died they had two living children, I am, & John whom I knew since 1812, they are both now in Iowa, where a town of early in the War of 1812, John was the oldest and if he were living now I suppose would be seventy old. From Tennessee said she moved to Kentucky. He knows that during the War of 1812 he became acquainted with her (who lived in the city) and he has two living sons, one being then a stone boy. That she continued to reside in the County of of until a few years back when she went to Henderson, an adjoining County.

Willy Hall always was reported to be an honest and industrious man and reliable reliable as a he did not want her position to be tried. Fifteen years past he had a conversation with John Forbis and and Gabbana, two revolutionary pensioners, and the Ky. Col. of the N. H. C. Continental line, since that time I have not seen Betty Hall. Forbis said he knew John Hall and Betty his wife in N. H. C. (He was well ac- quainted with Betty in this country) that Hall was an officer and a gentleman in the Continental line in N. H. C. that he was  was with him since, he thought he knew more about him now  now  at different times Betty and Gabbana, that he knew much longer in the country than he did, that his in- -terest was he served to the close of the war, or till after the revolution. That after the close of the war said Hall and wife moved to Tennessee where he understood he did, that after Betty moved to this country he went to see her to talk over old times in N. H. C. line, and went to see her often after. He said Hall was a very active officer and a man of energy and business habits and inquired of him if Betty had got a pension, that

of her husband she assumed on for the services, in the Army. After conversing with Forbis, he conversed with Gabbana ( the the assistant in getting the pension of both) he was told by Gabbana he knew John Hall in the Army (under- -stood he was in service) that he was an officer in the Regular service in N. Carolina, that he always rode on horseback collecting cattle for the Army, that after the war he moved to Tennessee and after some time his wife went to Kentucky. The said Hall was called a very business man in the Army. Before this he conversed with an old man by the name of John Baker who resided near Hilly Hall in this County. He said he had known in N. Carolina (Baker I think resided in or near the N. C. line) Hilly and her husband John Hall before the war, that Hall joined the Army as an officer and was many years in service, he thought to the close of the war, that afterwards they moved to Tennessee where he died, then she moved to Kentucky after he died. Forbis, Gabbana and Baker from general reputation were reliable men. He has no account of the truth of these statements. He further states he has no interest in the

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Holtz Street
John Ky - Dec - 1886
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When this case is reexamined let me see the case.
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application of Henry Hall for a pension either directly or indirectly. The undersigned wrote the foregoing and made the inter- :laminations and erasures before signing.
E. Smith
State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle
I B. R. Bethuram presiding Judge of the County Court in and for said county do certify that Col. Eliza Smith whose name appears to the foregoing deposition personally appeared before me on the day and year first above written and made oath to his foregoing deposition according to law - and signed the same in my presence in dark daylight. He is known to me to be of irreproachable character & a resident of said county where oath is entitled to full faith and credit. I have no interest in this claim nor connection in its pro- -secution.
B. R. Bethuram J. P.

State of Kentucky Rockcastle County ss I, Daniel G. Gholson Clerk of the County Court for the County aforesaid Certify that B. M. Bethune came before whom the foregoing affidavit of Col. Elisha Smith was made is and was at the time of signing the same Judge of the County Court for the County aforesaid duly Commissioned and Sworn according to Law. That his signature thereto attached is genuine and that his official acts are entitled to full faith and credit
I further Certify that I am well acquainted with the affiant Col Elisha Smith and know him to be a gentleman of irreproachable character and that his oath is entitled to full faith and credit
In Testimony of which I have hereunto Subscribed my name and affixed the Seal of said County Court the 27 th day of September 1858
D. Gholson Clk

Yes
Hetty Heath Mary John
Kentucky
July 4, 1836
No 1
Mrs Kelly apl. 21/59
G. C. Ames, D Present

State of Kentucky Rockcastle County
On this the 17 th day of Apr 1853. Before me John Todd a justice of the peace in and for the County above named, personally appeared Mrs Betty Hall a resident of said County aged 100 years past who being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following declination in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress passed July the 4 th 1836. granting pensions to certain widows on any other act which may provide for her.
That she is the widow of John Hall deceased who was a soldier and Quartermaster Master in the army of the revolution that he entered the service of said war in or near Warren County State of North Carolina in the early part of the war and served several terms to (or near) the close of said war in the year 1783. part of the time as a private and part as Quartermaster in the Continental line of said State that he was at the Battle of Eutaw Spring & others not recalled under Genl Morgan Long and others that she was married to the said John Hall in Pickens District State of South Carolina on the Saluda river on the 15 th day of Oct 1770. That her name before her said marriage was Betty Duncan. That she has no private or family record of her marriage and is informed that there was no publick record made of her said marriage That her said husband died in Warren County Tennessee an

The — day of March 1810. That she is now his widow having never intermarried since his death as aforesaid. That she has never before made application for a pension being of the impression (until recently) that there was no provision for her in consequence of the failure of her husband to apply & establish his claim in his life time. That from her extreme old age and consequent loss of memory she is unable to state all the various particulars of her said husband's services &c, but is certain he did serve as stated above.
She trusts the department by reference to the original muster rolls of the Continental line of Vols. and the proofs herunto attached and accompanying this application, will find evidence sufficient to convince them of the validity of her claim & justify the allowance thereof. To all of which she very respectfully refers.
Witty Hall mark
State of Kentucky Rockcastle County
On this the 17 th day of Apr 1853, before me John Lodd a justice of the peace within and for the County above named, personally appeared Samuel H. West a resident of said County, aged 64 years being first duly sworn and on his oath make the following affidavit viz:
That he is personally acquainted with Mrs Betty Hall above named, and also with her

husband John Hall previously to his death that the said John & Betty Hall from his earliest recollection and acquaintance with them were living together & cohabiting as man & wife. That the said John Hall was regarded in his neighbourhood as a revolutionary soldier and was respected and generally believed by all who knew him to have been a Quarter Master in the Continental line of U.S. during the revolution. That the said John Hall died in Warren County Tennessee in March 1810. about two years previous to the declaration of war by the U States against Great Britain. That Betty Hall the aforesaid is now his widow having never intermarried since his death as aforesaid. That she from appearance is 100 years old or over.
J. H. West
State of Kentucky Rockcastle County
On this the 11 th day of Apr 1853. Before me John Lodd a justice of the peace in and for the County aforesaid personally appeared Spencer Mullens a resident of said County aged 83. years after being first duly sworn cloth on his oath make the following affidavit viz: That he was a citizen of Mifflin County Pa. during the revolution. but too young to serve. That he was personally acquainted with John & Betty Hall named in the foregoing declaration. That from his earliest recollection of them they were regarded as man and wife. and was

living together & cohabiting as such for many years previous to the close of said war That he distinctly remembers they were living together as man & wife previous to the Surrender of Cornwallis. That the said John Hall was out several times in said war and was reputed to have served several years in the Continental line of U.S. part, of the time as private and part as Quarter Master or Assistant Quartermaster.
That sometime after the close of the war the said John & Betty Hall removed to Tennessee & he never saw them until he removed to Ky. where he again became acquainted with Betty Hall who informed him her husband had died in Tennessee before the last British war that she is now a widow. and from reputation & personal observation he feels safe in setting her age at upwards of 100 years.
Spencer his Mullins mark.

We the the undersigned Citizens of the County of Rockcastle in the State of Kentucky do certify that we are personally acquainted with Betty Hall the foregoing applicant that from appearance we would judge her to be 100 years old or over we also certify that her said husband John Hall deceased is reputed and generally believed to have been a soldier & quartermaster during the revolution in the continental line of North Caroliner.
Given under our hands Apr 1853.
John Lumber — Farmer
McClellan — Mechanick
Alfred Millers — Farmer
Mr. related Henry Millers — do
M. Morris — do
dead S. G. Galy Constable
James Palmer — Farmer
J. R. R. — Clerk
of the Rockcastle
Circuit Court
in the State
of Kentucky
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I John Lodd a justice of the peace within and for the County of Rockcastle in the State of Kentucky, do certify that Mrs Betty Hall this day appeared before me & swore and subscribed to her foregoing declaration after I had read it to her with a correct knowledge of its contents & meaning I also certify
that she was in her right mind

That she is personally known to me as a lady of undoubted veracity & from age and bodily infirmary she is unable to attend in open court. I also certify that Samuel H. West & Spencer Mullens this day appeared before me and swore & subscribed to their foregoing affidavits. I further certify that they the said West & Mullens and all of those persons who have signed the foregoing certificate of reputation are personally known to me as reputable citizens of said county in whose statements entire confidence may be reposed. (I have no interest in the result of this claim & am not concerned in the prosecution) given under my hand on this the 17 th day of April in the year 1853.
John Todd J.P.

State of Kentucky Rockcastle County } 1853
I Milton Miller Clerk of the Court of said County do certify that the foregoing Declaration of Mrs Betty Hall and the affidavits & certificates hereto attached were this day exhibited in open Court approved by the Court and ordered to be certified to the Hon ble Court of Pensions & that the said Court was satisfied from the evidence exhibited as aforesaid that Mrs Betty Hall's husband John Hall served in the revolution & died on in March 1810, leaving surviving him Betty Hall as his widow, & that they were married previous to the surrender of Lord Cornwallis. I also certify that John Lodd whose genuine signature appears to the foregoing Certificate is and was at the time of subscribing the same an acting justice of the peace within and for the County aforesaid (Rockcastle) duly commissioned & sworn according to law.
In testimony whereof I have hereto affixed the seal of said Court and subscribed my name at office in Mt Vernon on this the 25 th day of April 1853.
M c Miller Clerk

No 8148
Hetty Hall
wife of John
Beds. Ky. 1836
affidavit Nov 14/60
Lt. G. C. Army Dec 22/55
John S. Edwards
May 10, 1858
Dr & Cr: M. Elliott Jan 10/58
John S. Edwards, Aug 14/58
Same left 28/58
Same Dec 29/58
July 4, 1836
Same Feb 3/59
Same Feb 3/59
Same Feb 3/59
Same Feb 3/59

14699
REJECTED
P. O. Netty Hall
Service: Widow of
Capt in John Hall Enlisted: _____, 18
Discharged: Reg war Capt JC , 18
Application filed: _____, 18
REJECTED
Alleges: _____
Re-enlisted: _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract.
_____ Cert. of Dis. Searched for _____, 18

State of Kentucky 3
County of Jackson 3
Be it known that on this 15 th day of march 1858 before me a Justice of the peace in and for the county of Rockcastle in the state aforesaid Polly Miller aged 85 years a resident of the county and state aforesaid who being first sworn according to law upon her oath doth make the following affidavit. State that she has residence was born and raised in the state of Tennessee and resided there until she was a young woman. That she has personally known Betty Wall the widow of John Wall, deceased, formerly of the state of North Carolina and at his decease resided in Wayne County Tennessee. That the said John Wall her husband was ever regarded by his acquaintance & neighbors as having served as an officer in the old war - the revolution as a quarter master in North Carolina. Through the whole war, that he served part of the time under Genl Mays. That he was at the battle Cantano Springs besides she has since many aged people speak of the service of the said John Wall as an officer in the North Carolina since in the war of the revolution - have heard many aged people speak of the service of Edward Wall a relative of the said John Wall, deceased who it was said he served in the same grade in the Revolution in North Carolina.

divina as did the said John Hall (deceased), and many aged people at that day could say the same thing if need be especially in regard to the service of the said John Hall in the North- -Carolina service in the revolutionary war as an officer. & the said John Hall the officer & Betty Hall his wife had children together and their marriage was not questioned or doubted. & the said John Hall, died in the State of Tennessee many years ago leaving Betty Hall his wife a widow who has remained his widow until this date and she is now a widow and resides in Madison County, Kentucky. I doubt not she is now over 100 years old. That she had by her said husband the Quartermaster John Hall died the following children born before Genl. Wayne's War of 1794 1794. Viz. John Hall, James Hall hitherto born before that date and was John Hall then now alive. he would be at least 80 years old. that she has known the said children, and Betty Hall ever since before said war of 1794 has been intimately acquainted with them said children. & the said John Hall Jr. & James Hall is now dead. That after the death of her husband Quartermaster John Hall. She resided in this vicinity for some time and raised her children. There that the said Betty Hall, is the identical

Widow of Jonathan H. Hall deceased, who served as such in the recruiting army, & that she is as his widow now the Applicant for this pension for I say that she has no interest in this claim Affiant.
her Polly X Miller mark
State of Kentucky County of Jackson
On this the 15 th March 1858 before me a Justice of the peace in and for the County of Rockcastle personally appeared Mrs. Polly Miller, a resident of the County aforesaid - and made oath to the her foregoing deposition according to law - and signed the same in my presence, understanding, after the same was read and explained to her. & the same was drawn up by her own dictation. And she made her mark to the same understanding, & She is known to me to be a Lady of high respectability whose oath is entitled to full faith and credit. & I believe her to be of the age she states, and her statement to be true. The word (the) & many years ago) was interlined in the foregoing deposition before signed & she is of disposing memory of good mind. I have no interest in this claim nor concerned in its prosecution
W. H. Mullins J.P.

I am personal acquainted & have been for the last 30 years and her Oath should be relied & respected by all persons March 17 th 1838, I mean the affiant Polly Miller, D r Moore
State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County Det
I E. D. Fink Clerk of the County Court within & for the County & State aforesaid do certify that W. H. Moncelius is and was at the time of signing his forbearing Certificate Justice of the Peace in and for said County duly com- missioned and sworn according to law & that his signature thereto is genuine
Given under my hand & seal of office at Mt Vernon 17 th March 1838
E. D. Fink, Clerk
Polly Miller
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State of North Carolina,
Office of Secretary of State
I Rufus H. Page, Secretary of State in and for the State of North Carolina, do hereby certify, that it appears from a printed Book on file in this office, giving a statement of the settlements of Army Accounts of the North Carolina Line by Commissioners at Halifax in the years 1783 & 1784, John Hall A.D.L.M. was allowed eleven hundred and nineteen pounds, ten shillings & eleven pence, and that said amount was receipted for by Nicholas Long - I further certify that the name of Edward Hall A.D.L.M. appears in the same book immediately after the above name, and that he was allowed six hundred & twenty pounds, three shillings and ten pence, and receipted for by the said Nicholas Long -
Given under my hand, this 10 th day of April A.D. 1858.
Rufus H. Page Secretary of State

MT Vernon Rockcastle Co Ky
26 th Apr 1858
You find the foregoing certificate of the Survivors of A & S M Lth Hall pleasure pile Mr J S Edwards Truly your friend Washington D C Alfred Smith

Secretary's Office Raleigh N.C. Apr 10 th 1858.
Mr. J. Miller Esq.
Dear Sir
Enclosed you will find the certificate requested - It does not appear of record that, John Hall ever was allowed land for his services
Very respectfully Your Ob t Serv t Rufus H. Page Secretary of State.
P.S.
The record does not say whether Warren was a part of the district or not, but I suppose it was as it is and was at that time an adjoining county - R. H. P.

James Cummons
No 8
1851
2

State of Kentucky
County of Rockcastle
Be it known that on this 15 th day of March 1858 before me a Justice of the peace in and for said county personally appeared James Cummins aged 78 Years as appears from the record he once had of the information of his parents a resident of the county of Rockcastle in the State aforesaid. Who being first sworn according to law-upon his oath so  sworn make the following affidavit. States that he has resided in Ky ever since the year 1805. States that he has known personally Betty Hall ever since at least the date of 1812 - the war against Great Britain. That John Hall her husband he has always understood since that date resided in the county of Warren in the State of Tennessee before the war 1812 - that he has heard many old people say that John Hall the husband of Betty Hall aforesaid served in the North Carolina Line a Quarter Master to the end of the revolutionary war & that his services as such was not doubted or questioned & that all of which was the prevailing sentiments among the aged people of that day - any number of whom could testify to the same thing if need be especially as to the service of the said John Hall as a quarter master in the N C Line in the Revolutionary army

That Betty Hall his widow is now a resident of Madison County Kentucky & is the identical person who is now the Applicant from Ky. for this pension as the widow of the Gr Master John Hall decd. & that John Hall the son of the said Betty Hall and John Hall dec d . the Gr Master (even if alive) would be no doubt now at least 80 years old. and the said Betty Hall is no doubt now over 100 years old. & that he has no interest in this claim
James Cummins
State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle
On this 13 th day of March 1858 before me a Justice of the peace in and for said County personally appeared James Cummins a resident of Rockcastle County Kentucky and made oath to his foregoing application, and signed his name to the same before me understandingly, after the same was read. & the same was drawn up by his own dictation. & the said James Cummins is known to me to be a respectable affiant whose oath is entitled to full faith and credit. & he is of good mind. & I have no interest in this claim now concerned in its prosecution. & I have no doubt he is of the age he states. W. H. Mullins J.P.

I am, and have been personally acquainted with the affiant James Cummings for 25 or 30 years, and his Oath should be relied on and respected by all persons March 17. 1858
J. Moore
State of Kentucky Pocahontas County
I E. D. Fish Clerk of the County Court within & for the County & State aforesaid do certify that W. H. Meullins is & was at the time of signing his foregoing Certificate Justice of the peace in & for said County duly commissioned and sworn according to Law. That his signature thereto is genuine Given under my hand and seal of office in Mt Vernon 17 th day of March 1858.
E. D. Fish, Clerk

Rev. Claim Suspended
Rev. Claim granted
Filed by John Hawkins
Skelly Hall John
May 20-1836

Washington D.C.
Jany 14 1859
Sir
Since your examination of the claim of Betty Hall widow of John Hall the certificate of the Comptroller of North Carolina has been filed with the papers showing a payment to John Hall of an amount in specie which from a review of more than six months you will please re-examine the case
Respectfully
John S Edwards
Geo C Whiting Esq Counsel of Pensions

State of Kentucky, Rockcastle County 3 Set
Be it known that on this 18 th day of January 1859. before me the presiding Judge of the County court in and for said County, duly authorized by law to administer oaths, personally appeared before me Robert Forbes. aged 34. years a resident of the county of Laurel in the state of Kentucky, who being first sworn as the law directs, upon his oath doth make the following affidavit. States that he is the son of the late John Forbes who was a Revolutionary pioneer of Laurel County Kentucky, that he resided in the house of with his said Father - from his infancy - to the date the old man died at his residence in 1853. or 1854. - That his said Father delighted in talking about the soldiers and officers of the Revolution, and about his service in the old war in North Carolina, said he well knew Genl Morgan Sheel - Cleveland who he said were brave Galant officers - that he well knew John Hall. he said was a brave officer in the North Carolina service in the revolutionary army. - said no

man acted more brave. that did Quartermaster John Hall. at the battle of. Eutaw Springs - or Cowpens. he is not sure in which one of the battles, his Father stated, but always often talked about the brave John Hall. whom he said he knew well in the North Caro- lina Service in the revolutionary army. Said he knew the said Quartermaster John Hall and Betty Hall his wife in time of the revolutionary army; or war, that he knew them well in Warren County Tennessee. that he will know the same Betty Hall for many years while she resided in Rockcastle County Kentucky. some distance from the residence of the said Father. he often wondered before his death. if Mrs. Betty Hall had ever applied for a pension. and often said he would try and send his word. that he knew of the service of her said Husband John Hall in the old war. and that the said Betty Hall. who now resides in Madison County Kentucky. - is the identical Betty Hall. about whom his Father the pensioner talked. and to the date of his death. the old man had not heard whether the said Mrs. Hall had ever applied for her pension. he seemed

to be deeply interested on behalf of W m . Hitty Hall - being presumed but he had not seen or heard from the said Hitty Hall - for ten or fifteen years before his death - to ascertain whether she had obtained her pension or not - and avers that he has no interest in this claim, Robert Forbes.
State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County (Set)
On this 18 th day of January 1859. Before me the presiding judge in and for said County, personally came the above mentioned Robert Forbes & made oath to his foregoing affidavit as the law directs, understandingly and signed the same with his own hands before me. & I certify that the said Robert Forbes is a respectable Resident of Laurel county Kentucky, whose oath is entitled to full faith and credit - is of high reputation, & I have no interest in this claim nor con- -cern in its prosecution.
B. R. Bethurum judge of the Rockcastle county court.

State of Kentucky Rockcastle County } ss I William J. Miller Deputy Clerk for David G. Calyer Clerk of said County Court Certify that B.K. Bethuram whose genuine signature appears to the foregoing Certificate is and was at the time of signing the same Presiding Judge of said County Court duly Commissioned and Sworn according to Law and that his official acts are entitled to full faith & credit In testimony of which I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed the Seal of said County Court the 18th day of January 1859 Wm Miller Clerk For D.G. Calyer Clerk
Robt. Hobbs
NO 13
State of Kentucky Rockcastle County } Mt. Vernon Jan. 17 th 1859 being called on by Alfred Smith Esq - I feel free to state that I have no hesitancy in saying that I have full confidence in the statements made by Robert Hobbs in the foregoing Afft. I have known Mr. Hobbs some 12 or 15 years and I have never heard otherwise of him than that he was a man of veracity. D. Moore

At Vernon Rockcastle County Ky
29 th January 1859.
Hon. Commissioner of Pensions, Washington D C
Dear Sir
I received a line from Mr. John S. Edwards to day. dated the 20 th Inst. in which he states, that you had concurred with the opinion. Given by the clerk who rejected the case of Miss. Betty Wall. application for a pension from Ky. as the widow of A D 2 M John Wall (decd), - that your opinion was given on the day he received from me the Comptroller certificate, which he said that he had filed, and asked for a reexamination of the claim., I have concluded to again address you. and hope that you will not think it amiss. I will in the first place state in great candour, that this is the only revolutionary claim, that I ever entered to prosecute, and that I have in the last six years - recovered several revolutionary pension claims, some ranging in amount some of them as high as $1500. in all my practice in the business - I have never had a difference with any soldier or widow - the claims all being meritorious claims - and I am free to state that I have never obtained a claim - in all my practice, that was as well sustained by proof as the case of Miss Betty Wall as well as that of the records of the service, - I look upon it.

as one of the extreme hard cases: provided the claim of Mrs. Betty Hall is still rejected. I am clear in the conviction, that a more meritorious claim, than this of Mrs. Betty Hall, has never been sanctioned by any Department of the United States. The service is fully made out both by proof of unquestioned veracity, which the North Carolina records now fully sustain as decided by the Pension office. if all the payments were made to John Hall were made in Spiva, it would be evidence the payments were not all for Revolutionary Service, not being accustomed to the run of the Record. I doubt not, now, that the opinion was aired, from that opinion, I infer it is now settled, from the last record proof filed, that the Eight hundred and odd pounds paid in Certificates, is I presume conclusive that A. D. Dr. John John Hall, rendered that much service in the Revolutionary war in North Carolina; the Comptroller says that Warren County is and was part of the district in Walhalla District, of which in which the payments were made - this brings up the identity, to a certainty, as I do Mr. John Hall entered the service from Warren County, in the absence of record proof as to marriage - the proof filed fully sustains the marriage - and I cannot see how the date thereof can be questioned, to have taken place before Mr. Hall quit the service. (John Hall was born 1776, for son James Hall in 1790 as stated by the widow - and from the proof I have no doubt is true, - James Hall was a Soldier in the war 1812 - his widow

draw a bounty land warrant under act 1850- or 1855- upon her Application from Kentucky the Record at Washington will Shew this. - John Wall & James Wall her Children is both dead, - James Wall was in the Battle of New Orleans, was a good soldier, if the date of the marriage is in any way doubted. - I presume it will not be doubted that they were married before 1 st Jan y 1794 place the pension under act 1838 It was not  before that date place the pension  under under act 1818. - if not under that, place it under act 3 rd July 1853 the last act. - the marriage is certainly Satisfactory to give some pension under some one of the acts. Mrs. Wall is now over 105 years old. She is one of the oldest looking persons I ever saw. - She still hopes to live to reap the rewards due her for the service of her husband in the Revolutionary war. Just as soon as she learned that she was entitled to a pension if proof could be found. She did not know it many years before she contracted with an agent to attend to her claim; who had it trying for proof for 4 or 5 years before the Application was made; when her Declaration was filed. no proof could be found at that time. - She called on Mr. Moore in 1822. as he states - to obtain a pension for her - Moore advised her the act of 1818 did not apply to widows. She was also so advised by Col. G. Speth of this County. - which must have killed her hope looking into her

from looking into her rights. after the passage of the pension laws for the benefit of widows; and so soon as she had any chance. To know about her rights she commenced looking out for some person to prose- cute her claim. The deposits of Gen. J. Moore, Genl. C. Smith & I presume are both filed in her application, if not Mr. J. Edwards has them. I remitted them to him, certainly under all the circumstances. Miss Wall's name will be placed on the pension list under same act. See her declaration for homestead land I remitted to Mr. J. Edwards of Wright, and directed him to file. She is also certainly entitled to homestead land. I hope you will extend the courtesy to Miss Betty Wall to place her name on the Pension list, a reward she so justly deserves.
I send to you the deposits of Mr. Robert Fisher the son of Gen. Fisher a Pensioner. for his A. C. service in the Revolution. Should have some weight. recommended by Mr. J. Moore. Who Hon. Gen. McEllott, has indorsed at Pension office. See his deposits in same case - indorsed by Hon. Gen. Mc Ellott M. C. from H. - I hope you will at an early day recommend this claim as requested by Mr. Edwards when he filed. The last record certificate, since last opinion Respectfully, Alfred Smith Agent

Her lean missun of America
Washington D.C. Mt Vernon Kentucky Dear Sir 29 th Jany 1839
I will further state that I positively had rather loose my fee in the case of Mrs. Hall, than for her to fail to obtain her pension. I say that I had rather not charge one cent for the trouble I have been at than for so meritorious claim to be lost. This is a just claim. She ought not to suffer because the Government has been defrauded by others. my fee if successful is only twenty per cent & I have to pay Mr Edwards fee out of that and if I could think my fee had any influence against the allowance of her claim. I would not have one cent for my trouble in prosecuting this claim. I have a great desire that Mrs Hall should receive her money. She so richly deserves for the services that her husband Mr Hall & D r M c Leagued Justice rendered in the Revolution. Yours sincerely Alfred Smith Asst

Please if necessary. See Mr. Geo. W. Mr Elliott M. from Mr and have him to indorse the credibility of Mr. H. Moore who recommends Mr. Forster. A. Smith

Mt Vernon Kentucky
Dear Sir
Genl Melvill a. of Washington - having some two months or more ago notified me that the claim of Mrs. Betty Hall for a pension - was by the Commissioners of Pensions submitted to you to adjudged and settle - consequently and of your action in the case - consequently - I thought it most prudent to address you directly  direct in place of Hon. G. Morris of Pensions - and having given up hope of finding any more proof to the point demanded - I took the liberty some days ago to address you upon the Subject - and ask a reconsideration of the case - and refer you to the deposition of Capt John Hall - and his statement therein - and to the letter sent at same time last spring by James Holland his next friend - which was signed by 8 or 10 of the most prominent Citizens of this County - and among the number of Signers - was the name of Jonathan Stevenson Atty at Law of this place - who I am advised is well known to you for reputation to be a Gentleman of strict veracity - and also refer to other proof remitted same time last spring by Holland - I suppose was filed in the case - I should not have asked for a recon- sideration of the case - had I not supposed in all probability some of the papers may have been overlooked upon your examination of the case - and upon a strict examination of the papers you would be satisfied the case was fully made out - after excluding the assertions refer to by James Holland in his

Amended application as next friend of Mr. Hettly Hale. and for you to confer with Genl. McCalla as to you the agent in the case. Mr. Hettly Hale being in very delicate health - on account of old age and bodily infirmity - having a great desire to recover the claim under this administration had I not the strongest assurance, the claim is just and right. it would be the last act of my life. to urge its allowance or any action upon the case. I think the claim will be made out. and ought to be granted - at the same time having due respect for your action in the case - confer and report to Genl. McCalla - after you shall have settled the case.
I am Dear Sir Truly your friend Alford Smith
My letter addressed to you a few days ago - was addressed - Mr. Hettly - not having your correct name - as I now have - if my letter referred to is not handed to you - you will find it at the office under address as above.
A. Smith
Mr. G. T. Hettly Clerk Pension Office Washington D.C.

Mr Vernon Radcliffe County Kentucky
Hon. Secretary of the Interior, March 9 th 1859. Washington D.C.
Dear Sir
I am now in possession of the late opinion of Hon. Commissioner of Pensions, dated 3 rd February 1859. delivered by him, in the application of Mrs. Betty Wall, from Kentucky for a pension under the Act of Congress approved 4 th July 1836 July 7 th 1838. in which he states.
It appears that the amount of accounts was £1119.10.11
Cash paid him 279.17.8
Certificates (balms) £839.13.3.
Of course, if the £279-17.8. is to be regarded as specie, the amount due must be regarded in the same light; In other words, the whole amount originally due viz £1119.10.11. was due in specie if the amount paid is to be so regarded, and this leaves the case precisely where it originally stood
The claim is further suspended
Very Respectful Geo l Whiteing
John S. Edwards Esq r Commissioner Present.
From the foregoing Opinion in the case, I most respectfully beg leave to appeal to the Generosity of Your Honor, having at the same time, the most sanguine opinion that your Honor will not confirm the opinion given in

This Claim, first because because the claim of Mrs. Betty Hall to a pension under the act. She has applied - is just and right, her husband John Hall rendered the service more than six months, no doubt can be properly entertained,
The opinion heretofore given by the Commissioner in this case - the contents thereof was as follows. - That the Comptroller certificate filed was evidence of John Hall being a A D & M Master, - that the whole of the payments could not be for the service of John Hall, that the Department could not guess at the service - That a Quarter Master might discharge a great deal of money, and still not leave a month. - That if the Comptroller must state whether the payments made were paid in Specie or in what he was paid. That if John Hall A D & M. was all paid in Specie. - it would be evidence that the payments presented was not all for service.
Now since after the later opinion of the Commissioner, the Comptroller has furnished his certificate. Cited no date direct from the N.C. records which gives the account of John Hall. and payments to him as the Revolutionary records dictate, - and if it be true as the Commissioner decided in the opinion above. That if he was paid in Specie - it was not for service, the same rule will certainly work if he

was paid as stated by Comptroller, in his certificate last filed in the case that.
John Wall A D D M. account was - $1119.10.11 and the amount was paid in each - $279.17.8 that portion, according to Commissioners first opinion, would be disbursements,
as 2 Martin, but Sp. he was paid.
In certificate balance $839.13.3
That portion would certainly be for service - and was not disbursements. - The calculation beyond doubt is correct. - and I can but think you will concur with me in settling the case.
The great abundance of parole proof. filed. in the case, which is recommended by Member of Congress Mr. Geo. M. Elliott, - besides the Depositions of Thomas Becknel, a Revolu- tionary pensioner, whose statements were given by the Justice as he dictated the service of John Wall, is bound to be correct. - and In the absence of Record proof, he sustains the marriage - coupled with other parole proof, - in regard to Mrs. Wall and her husband living together as husband and wife, - and the age of the children - with John A. Morris Deposition & Col. C. Smith, who states that Mrs. Wall came to them about 1822 - and wanted them to get her a pension - on account of her husband's service. They informed her the act of 1818 did not apply to widows. - and she states  she states  that  that

from looking into her rights when the pension law that applied to widows did pass. but She states in her petition - that after she was advised of her rights to a pension. She put her claim in prosecution soon as she could secure an agent. (that no proof could be found for years. to her knowledge She informed me, that her house was Burned up some 40 years ago and every thing she possessed. with many and all of her husband revolutionary Papers were all consumed. This last Statement is made in her application for widow's land I sent to Mr J. S. Edward to file in the case; he may have not filed it; it should be - much other parole proof can be had. but the Comptroller can furnish no more. Mrs Wall is Entitled to a pension under some act of lump- ing - if the Marriage the date there of is not Satisfactory - to have taken effect before 1794 or before her husband quit the service: put her on the list under act 1848 or 1853 - the Claim is right. & I appeal to your Generosity. to - Give this poor old Lady some pension under some act. She is now over 105 years old, her husband Toikka and rendered Service in the revolutionary army. There can be no doubt. - and she hopes Get to live to read the record from the

A Government, the bounty so justly due her, for the service of her husband John Hall in the revolutionary army. It is true the Government is indebted in all this should not deprive a poor old woman from the bounty so justly due her under the laws of the country, made and provided for in such cases. It matters not what the present indebtedness of the Government, we have had a war & the Government has become large, and necessity will tell all men that listen to reason, that the growth of the country, will and is bound to bring about, more expense to carry on the Government. (At the same time I am clear for economy) it is right, the Democratic Party, in their conduct desire to curtail the expenses of the Government, ought not to go to fair, and omit to pay just claims, no man has a greater desire than I have, to see the wheels of the Government, continued under Democratic rule, and there is men of high standing in Washington no my statements to be true, but at the same time, I must say, it is evidently true, that the Government has been greatly increased upon by Applications for pensions

and I am free to state it is a misfor- tune I much regret that such has been the case. be that as it may. when a claim is presented. fairly and will sustained in every particular, as the case of Mrs. Betty Wall. is. why reject or suspend it. no claim has ever been appealed to the humorists of the Government. better made out - than this of Mrs. Wall. save a disch- arge which is not now looked for. I had rather lose the little fee of 20 per Cent I get in the prosecution of this claim. out of which I have to pay Mr Edwards his fee than to fail to recover this claim. I appeal to you to look well into this claim. and I am but think you will place this poor old Ladys name upon the Pension list. I am told that you are a liberal man and will deal justly with such things - confided to you, of which I have no doubts. I hope that you will direct also a bounty land warrant to be issued to her. there is certainly 14 days service shown. and the quantity will established. look at the proof. look at the Comptrollers certificate last filed. who states that the foregoing Payments were made to

John Hall of which Warren County were a part. The Army County from which John Hall I am entitled the Service, complaining that with the proof how can it be possible, a mistake can occur - in Granting to Miss Betty Hall the claim. She is so justly entitled to it. I never entered to prosecute an other revolutionary pension claim. I am into this, & I have it so buried in me that the claim is right. That on the other hand to lose it, all my trouble should be put in free to Miss Hall. would it do her any good - her neigh- -bors say - they have no doubt as to the justness of the claim, the country where she has been living - the old letters say the same - the records of the N-E something say so - the proof say so - and how else there be any doubt. I am as stated more loath to lose this claim than any I ever worked in - and if I could entertain a doubt as to its justness. I would now abandon it - but to the contrary. I stake my all - my honor my standing as an honorable man - that the claim is just and ought to be granted - please look into this case at your earliest convenience as Miss Hall is now over 105 years old

She may die before an action is had by you.
I have requested that any thing is stated by me out of place. I hope you will excuse - and pardon me
I am dear Sir Very
Respectfully Yours &c
Alfred Smith
Agent for Mr. Hall
I hope you will look through this lengthy communication.
John - Secretary of the Interior Washington D.C. E.G.

Department of the Interior. April 18 th 1859.
Sir,
Upon looking over the testimony in the case of Betty Hall widow of John, for a pension under Act July 4 th 1836, upon which an appeal has been taken from your decision, I am disposed to doubt the genuineness of the claim, and would therefore request that you cause "an examination to be made, for the purpose of ascertaining whether the claimant and her principal witnesses have any real existence, and if existing whether they are of the age, &c. asserted by them." Please report the result of your investigation. The papers are herewith returned to your office.
I am, very respectfully,
Your obed t Serv t
J. Mowry Secretary.
Hon. G. C. Whiting. Comm. of Pensions.

Department of the Interior April 23 d , 1859
Sir
In compliance with your request of 21 st inst., the Census returns for the counties of Rockcastle and Madison, Kentucky, have been examined, and the following names corresponding with those mentioned in your letter, have been found. Their ages, occupations & birthplaces, as shown in 1850, are given.
In Rockcastle Co.
"James Cummings," Farmer, Aged 25 and born in Ky. 78 "Moses Newcum," do do 41, 70 " " " "Elisha Smith," Lawyer, do 50, " " " "J. A. Moore," do. do 48, " " "
In Madison, Co.,
"Thomas Becknel," Farmer, aged 88 born in Va.
The names of "Nelly Hall" and "Polly Miller" are not found. There was no Jackson Co. (mentioned as the residence of "Polly Miller") in Kentucky in 1850.
Very respectfully,
Your obt. servant,
John Rott Esq Ch. Clk. Pension Office
Moses Kelly Chief Clerk.

Wm Vernon Rackeatt County Ky.
Hon. Secretary of the } 10 th May 1859 Interior }
Washington D.C.
Dear Sir
Two months ago this day I directed an appeal by letter addressed to you - from the opinion of the Commissioner of Pensions in the application of Mrs. Betty Hall - Widow of John Hall for a Revolutionary pension under Act 4 th July 1836 & 7 th July 1838 - from Kentucky having on this day received a letter from Mr. Hollans - in relation of Mrs. Hall making an inquiry about her case. If you have given your opinion in the case will you do me the favor to remit to me a

a copy of your opinion in case it be again sus- pended. As you have not settled the matter as yet. will you do Mrs. Hall the kindness to decide upon her case. at your earliest convenience. This old Lady is extremely old and cannot expect to live long. the course of nature tells us that. and she would be much gratified to satisfy the Department of the Justness of her claim. as her lifetime; please Answer.
I am Dear Sir Truly yours &c Alfred Smith Agent for Mrs. Nelly Hall
I have heard nothing from the case since the appeal was taken.

Department of the Interior. June 15 th 1859.
Sir,
I have examined the claim of Betty Hall widow of John Hall, for a pension under Act July 4 th 1836, upon which an appeal has been taken from your decision.
To entitle Mrs Hall to a pension under the above Act, it was necessary that she should furnish such proof as would identify her husband as the Ap t Deputy Quarter Master described in the Certificate of the Secretary of State of North Carolina, and also show the length of his services, while the date of the marriage as anterior to the conclusion of said services, should also be established.
Your several reports as well as the testimony in the case have had my careful consideration. In support of the alleged services of Hall as an Ap t Deputy Quarter Master in the Revolutionary war, the parol testimony is perfectly indefinite as to length of time, while your report of 4 th inst.

made upon the investigation, suggested by my letter of 18 th April last, not only renders the competency of the witnesses questionable, but leads me to the conclusion that they had no reliable traditional knowledge that he served at all. Of actual personal knowledge of the fact, they evidently had none. The Certificate of the Secretary of State of North Carolina, shows that one John Hall A. D. D. M., was paid in the aggregate $1119.10.11. but does not indicate for what purpose. It is manifest however from the amounts of which it is composed, that it could not have been for services, and that a just conclusion of their length could not be ascertained from it, even if his identity with the widow's husband should be admitted. While, therefore, the Certificate materially fails to establish Hall's services, the correctness of your suggestion, that the whole claim was based upon it seems quite probable.
As to the date of the marriage, I consider the proof inadequate and unsatisfactory.

I am of the opinion that the claim of Betty Hall was properly rejected by you, and therefore affirm your decision.
The papers which accompanied your report, are herewith returned to your office.
I am, very respectfully, Your Oldt. Servt.
D. Morgan Secretary.
Hon. G. C. Whiting, Comm r . of Pensions.

Mr Mullins
Deposition in
Netz Wall case by
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State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County Set
Be it known that on this the 18 th day of June 1859. before me the preceding Judge within and for the county aforesaid personally appeared William Mullins aged 47 years a resident of the county aforesaid, who being first sworn - as the law directs upon his oath - doth make the following affidavit.
States that he was born in the county aforesaid in the neighborhood where Mrs. Betty Hall lived, who is now an applicant for a pension under the pension law, for services and have known her well all her life, and have often heard the said Betty Hall at an early day speak of the service of her husband John Hall, and, in the old war revolution, and have heard many other aged people say the same thing - especially as to the service of her husband John Hall as an officer in the Revolutionary army, in North Carolina, & the same was never questioned or doubted where she resided for many years in the county aforesaid, and affiant swears that he has no interest in this claim.
William Mullins his mark
State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County Set
Sworn to and subscribed by William Mullins before me on the day and year first above written by making his mark after the same was read to him and explained, understandingly - I know the said William

Mullins to be of good reputation whose oath is entitled to full faith and credit. and I have no interest in this claim nor concerned in its prosecution. B.K.
Given under my hand this the day & date aforesaid.
B.K. Bethurn judge of the Rockcastle county court
State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County Court
Call Term September 26 th 1859
The deposition of William Mullins in support of the claim of John Hall deceased, in the application of Miss Betty Hall for a revolutionary pension from Kentucky to the pension office at Washington City was on this day presented in open court, examined and was approved by the court. and ordered to be certified. That the court being personally acquainted with the affiant William Mullins, to be respectable and entitled to credit.
A. Copy attest
D. Galyer clk Dyl
I am personally acquainted with the affiant William Mullins and I believe him to be a man of truth and veracity.
J. Henson
I know this man all lived in the immediate neighborhood of Betty Hall when she lived in this county, I was raised in that neighborhood nearby.
J. Henson

State of Kentucky Pikeville County. Set
I. W. G. Goolyn clerk of the county court for the county aforesaid certify. That B. H. Betheram whose name appears to the foregoing certificate. is and was at the time of signing the same. the presiding Judge of the county court within and for the county aforesaid. duly commissioned and sworn according to law. and his said signature thereto is genuine. and I further certify that the signature of Jonathan Niven who recommended is genuine. Given under my hand and the seal of said county court at office in Pitelmann on this 9 th day of February 1860 D. Goolyn clk

✓ Alfred Smith Mt. Vernon, Ky June 20. 1859
✓ Respecting case of Mrs. Hettie Hall
Respectfully referred to the Comm t of Pensions Dept of Int.
June 24 59 S Moses Kelly Chglk
Recd 24 June 59 Mr. R. Hett

Hon. Secretary of the Interior, Mr Vernon Rockcastle Washington D C County Kentucky
Dear Sir
20 June 1859
Since my last communication was expected to me, I have learned that some misunderstanding has arisen relation to the claim of Miss Betty Wall for a pension - who applied under act 1 st July 1836, for Ky and an appeal was taken to your Honor in the case. and before further stating - I will say - that on Monday last the Democratic Convention assembled at Manchester in this District. and nomination took place to make the race - again. Col. Gary Hawkins of Richmond Ky. presided as chairman. and my Brother Mr M Smith was in attendance, he informs me to day that Col Hawkins told him that he had seen the Government Agent at Richmond who looked into the Miss Betty Wall claim. That the Agent said - he had met - a witness probably Green Berry Baker who testified in the case. that he met Baker in the road - and he denied giving the deposition in the case. This is to me a very unexpected occurrence. I hope the Agent saw Belue - the Justice who qualified him. Baker. is now an old man - and is tolerably hard of hearing - & upon a sudden in that way meeting him - being asked - by a stranger - he no doubt forgotten it - it must be so else the agent would not

have said So. Baker certainly gave the deposition as Mr. Green & Holland who attended to it for me. certainly would not have thus treated me. The deposition of Baker was attended to by Holland. and was submitted to me per mail. and I have his letter enclosing it. which states Baker knew the facts stated in the deposition. If the Agent saw Baker the Justice he is certainly satisfied. that I have done no wrong nor intended any. and I would much regret if Holland has thus treated me. I used the deposition in good faith all was correct. and I can but flatter myself. an honest mistake or misunderstanding has occurred in some way about it. I will here illustrate a case - Jonathan Stevenson a Lawyer of this place (and a very good one at that) whose character the Government Agent knew well from Reputation. to be a Gentleman of the first Order. On Yesterday I asked Stevenson if ever he had recommend- -ed any person in the case of Mr. Hall. in the year 1853- while Fink was the Agent in the case) he said that he never did, and without further explanation would have sworn it. that he never did. after talking with him a while I told him that he certainly had. he still contended not. so I asked him then if James Eastman or Collyer. did not know his hand write as well as he knew it himself. he said certainly so. I then told him that on the 25 th or 26 th of last month James Eastman. met with the Government Agent

at Irvin in Estell county Ky. on that day. when the Democratic District Committee met to reconcile the conflicting Parties - Rice & Garard about the longrun race here. That the Agent had his name on a paper or some papers in the case that Carthan knew the hand write to be his. I mean, he then gave it in that he must have signed his name to something in the case, & if Carthan said it was there it was all right. I mention this circumstance which happened with Spencer and me, who is a Young Man - and Baker being an old man hard of hearing, might be not be excused to forget - giving a deposition upon the spur of the print, meeting a stranger in the road, I make this statement it being strictly true, that happened between Spencer & me on yesterday. If the Agent saw Belus the Justice, and Belus said that he did not qualify Baker it must be so - I can only say, that I was not present. At the time the hearing was done - that it is much regretted by me. that I let any man but myself attend to the taking of any deposition in the case. Holman was a Merchant at the time he took the deposition of Baker - and said to be a Gentleman by his neighbors. but last fall, he met with some difficulty in his trade. if any thing is unfortunately wrong in the deposition of Baker - certainly no blame can be attached to me by the Department - for the unfortunate accident. If it is so - nothing had ever happened

to me. That is as much regret, and I still hope and can but think some mistake must honestly be made. Baker's departure is or may turn out all right. I have Walland's letter indicating to me per mail the departure. I was not present at the work, and thought all was right, and still hope it will turn out right, as I am not connected with, or was not present at the swearing of the deposition. I ought not or Mr Wall to be blamed, or should his case be affected by it. I think not. I hope for the better that Green & Walland would not thus treat me. I hope the Agent saw Justice Belue, and all has no doubt turned out right. - Green Berry Baker has a relation - who is about the same age & size - and look much alike living near him - might the agent not have met his Baker relation referred to - he is also hard of hearing - and a hundred yards you could not tell them apart. might not some such misunderstanding have happened in meeting him in place instead of Green Berry Baker. I still have the affidavit. all will work out right. That Walland would not have thus treated me, I am well satisfied the Agent will do all proper Justice in this case. so fair as he has learned. I am advised that Becknell the Revolutionary pensioner has not been out of his Home Yard for six months, owing to his age =

2 described the situation - came a few days ago and he who gave his affidavit in the case. The prisoner, he can testify about the same & understand same. In my other letter I referred over what Mr Becknell told the agent, as to Quarter Master John Hall and Betty Hall as detailed to me by Hudson the Justice, who attended to taking Becknell's deposition in my presence - who was present with the Agent at Becknell's at his examination - and as I understand the brain daughter of Mr Hall answered all the questions promptly asked by the Agent. Mr Hall's mind being - you know a hurt she got - with whom Mr Hall lived - which should be a strong circumstance the claim is right. As the brain daughter could not have answered the questions - as she did - if it had not always been a common talk by Mr Hall when her mind was good. Hudson the Justice & I am advised, told the Agent - she knew and understood her self at the time her papers was sworn to - for a prisoner - the amended petition, as well as telling the Agent - that Becknell's Deposition was all right. Some or for probably Mr Myers could be convinced - that some great honest mistake has occurred - about Baker's Deposition. Myers I understand was with the Agent - at the time, - I know the Agent

Would not desire to do any person. injustice in the case. and if a mistake could be explained to his satisfaction. I have no doubt he would receive such explanation - and stand corrected. if any mistake has been made (nevertheless I could not say this much for Thomas Francis, or Madison or K. with whom I understand the Agent had a talk - and Thomas Francis - professed to know much about the case and appeared to know nothing either, - not so much even as his son John Francis of Richmond with whom the Agent stopped as I understand at that place - who I learn told the Agent in the presence of Miss Hall that he had known Miss Hall for 30 years. that she looked near as young now as she did at his first acquaintance. & doubted not she was as old as represented. that he had always understood her husband had served in the old war Thomas Francis his Father & am told does not know so much as his son and professed to know more - I am told he advised the Agent and threw  cold water on the claim talked against it. (This is a know nothing trick) - and also talked against James Cummins a witness & many other things - I will here take the liberty to say that the reputation of James Cummins can be as fully sustained or more so for a man of truth - than this Thomas Francis can

be fully sustained - nevertheless, Thomas Fraser is said to be a scoundrel  doubtful man, to set aside his everlasting prejudice - he is in company with, him and James Cassimus, has lauded all three here I understand nearly - and I am told - are not friends - three things I learn & is no doubt true. I can at this time procure near 20 depositions from persons lived neighbors to Mrs. Sally Hall, who will swear that for three information that it was notoriously spoke of in three raising, that Mrs. Hall, her husband had served in the Revolution in N. Carolina as an officer. men for that can by  by recommended by persons known to the Department - to be men of truth and veracity - handed down to them from real reputation. that no person where she had disputed it. It is a very unfortunate thing to Mrs. Hall, if the Agent has fallen in with unprincipled men - who would throw coals of water upon the rights of this poor old woman. You know, such men can be found - nevertheless they may know nothing, still they will place a coloring against such things claims. when at the same time they know nothing about it. I have not saw Col. Blackwell - I know not his course for or against the case - he is I know to be a gentleman - in whose hands I am willing at all times to risk my reputation in the hands of - besides that I can secure the

Signatures of the very best men of the county, where I have been here have raised, who will state that I have always been a strict law- abiding man - study in my habits, and irre- achable in my character. - That I am a Quiltman in every sense of the word. - And I will here assert that, if I can be permitted to go on with the case - That I can furnish abundance of parole proof to satisfy the pension office that the claim is just and right. - and also the Agent will also be satisfied - who looked into the case - Mrs. Wall's Granddaughter in her answer to the Agent - should with whom the old lady lived should be a strong presumption the claim is right, as it would have been an impossibility - for her to have answered - as I learn she did - if she had not learned it from Mrs. Wall when her mind was good - these are things to be thought of - as well as the record - and the proof in the case - If you could only be to understand this more matter - and my being assailed by unprincipled men all for no cause, what ever. - I am well aware - when all would be properly seen into - This whole has grown out of know nothing potential corruption, and every act of my life, loathe to this case - and in every  thing thing else, I have done right

be fully sustained by men of veracity, and I am free to say that I know the Department will be disposed to act fairly with me in this case as well as the Agent who looked into the claim. I have a Family who look to me for protection. I certainly know right from wrong in the prosecution of private claims. - would I for the sake of a few dollars place my character and my children who live after me in jeopardy. - No I think not. I know not I had rather die a beggar than to bring a stain upon my the reputation of myself especially when I look around me and see my little fellows looking to me for protection. (no never) - If I could for the first time think there was a probability the claim is not right I would certainly forthwith abandon the claim - as I have always done when I ascertained a wrong existed. - I know how Mrs. Sally Hall talked to me when I commenced the case in 1857 or 1858 - she knew well about her husband's service, detailed it to me well - before I would have anything to do with it. - I have taken the deposition of Thomas Beckwith the pensioner - the deposition of James G. ...

mosy swecom Polly Miller & Is Moore. C Smith & Miss Forbes. besides other proof was taken by others in the case before I came into the case - was taken by others. Susan Muller - the proof is too strong - the record is too plain - for a mistake to occur as to the Quarta Master John Hall being the husband of the Applicant Betty Hall. There can be no doubt of it. The claim is a just one. I have no doubt about it - no unfair means has been used by me in taking the proof - the witnesses know well at the time about what they swore to be true. They are backed by persons known to the Department, as I understand - not withstanding the discrepancy of Becknell's answer to the Agent - as to that of his statement & his deposition - as I learn from Hudson the Justice - the difference in them does not affect the weight his deposition is entitled to - the decay of his mind since his deposition was taken - is some- thing to be regarded - as Hudson informed the Agent after he was asked by the Agent that Becknell's mind, he did not think was as good as it was when the depon- tion was taken. As poverty is an adversity - no woman is in more reduced circumstances than Miss Hall - but this

Cannot be a plea of satisfaction to reject the claim, as in this country, poverty does not govern the principle of right and Justice - I can take Hudson the Justice who the Agt. knows to be a gentleman and the deposition of Thomas Becknell and the record in the case, and the Government Agt. - and place the record in the case - The Government Agt. and Mr Hudson the Justice, and Becknell's Deposition and read the deposition to a Jury - or any Court of Justice - let the Agt & Hudson make their statements of all that has passed - then the record with Spencer Mullins, James Leonard, Mora Stewart, D. Moore & Eliza Smith, depositions all be read, and I can answer in any Court of Justice - for Mrs Hall - one hundred thousand dollars. If the claim is not so was as well established, as to the proof mentioned in this case - this claim I am satisfied is Just - I ask for nothing but what is Just, and right - and for my former Acts - in business - should have some rights with the Government in my farms - some three previous Agents live about Washington has been trying for the last two or three years to prostrate

me. & the estimation of all honorable men and for what, not that I ever did to either a wrong in any way, but solely because I have taken the liberty to drop them and take up other agents, to attend to my business, but when I look around me, and see in the midst of whom I live - among a set of political corruption - made up of all all opposites to any thing that is right - that many of them would stoop to any unprincipled trick to slander me, or a blast me in the estimation of all honorable men. I flatter my- self the officers of the government - will not suffer such work to progress without giving me a chance to correct the evil  unprincipled based upon me - by such men - I have more confidence in the integrity, and honesty of the officers of the government than to think they will do me injustice I know they will not - do me injustice in the case.
no blame against the officers or against the government agents in the case. I am truly  truly sorry that I had to see him J. Smith
I am Dear Sir Truly yours & c Alfred Smith

Since writing - I have  have learned further about Thomas Francis of Madison County , who I under- -stand, talked against the claim of Miss Nelly Hall, for a pension (to the Government Agent etc.). Some misunderstanding may have arisen, as to him talking to the Agent, against the claim. He  some quartz. I will refrain from further commenting upon the Reputation of Thos Francis. He is the brother of John Francis, of Richmond Ky, with whom I am told the Agent stopped with. Sp. Thos Francis has actually tried to throw cold water upon the rights of Miss Nelly Hall. I learn to day from Messrs. Stevenson of this place, who gave a deposition in the case - who informs me, to day, all about the reputation of Thos Francis, referred to and Thos Messrs Stevenson is the brother of Jonathan Stevenson a Surveyor of this Town, who the Govern- ment Agent knows well from reputation - if necessary Messrs. Stevenson would give an affidavit, about Thos Francis Genl Character. He knows Francis well, and his by gone tricks, and about his intolerable prejudice, against all man kind - and his other tricks through life - to little that point you are simply referred to Messrs. Messrs. Stevenson of this place, who since to day, have done Thos Francis. Know any thing about Miss Hall's claim - that he Stevenson had for many years lived close neighbor for many years to Miss Nelly Hall, in Rockcastle County - and that he had for many years

and now owned a piece of land once belonging to Mrs. Betty Wall - on which she once lived in this county for many years and that he had no doubts of the justness of Mrs. Betty Wall's claim to the pension due on account of the services of her husband John Wall, as an officer in the revolutionary army. That it was from his first acquaintance, a notorious talk about her husband's service in the old war - and he had no doubts the claim was right - and he further said - (how does that Francis know anything about her right to it.
You are simply equal to this Mason - ever a clever man as ever lived - let me have a chance, and the mistake ever made to the Agent, can be entirely amended up by me to the satisfaction of the Department, and to the Agent who examined the claim - I know the Department will do all parties right in this case, and so will the Government Agent - on that on which I have no doubts, and Mrs. Wall will finally get her money if she lives a while 12 months longer - I am gratified the Agent was sent to look into the claim - and much regret that I failed to see her. I am Dear Sir Wm. Secretary of the Interior. Truly Yours &c Alfred Smith William Rackcastle Covington, Kentucky.
Washington D.C.

I am just as well satisfied as I am that I live, that this work to operate to the prejudice of the claim of Miss Betty Hall, is a political, opposition trick, made up by corrupt villains of the land, in this section of the country. I have no blame to any officer of the Government, it is their business, to look into such things, and I am gratified it has been done, but while my unworthy enemies are trying to operate against me, I should have a chance to satisfy the Depart- ment that all is right, and correct some accidents. I am told happened in the investigation of the claim. I am satisfied, that I can fully satis- fy the agent of the Government officer, by more additional parole proof that no wrong exists, that the claim is just and right, that she is now fully entitled to the money under some Pension act, which my political enemies are trying to destroy me, any friend should give me a chance, to show by respectable proof Respectfully, the claim is right. } Alfred Smith

Atty Vernon Ky June 21 st 1839
We the undersigned Hugh- son and acquaintance of Alfred Smith of this place for a number of years, state that he is a man of truth and honest disposition that he has been engaged in the pension business for some years and that we have never heard him charged with fraud or mismanagement in any case I we recommend him as as a faithful Agent in the pension business.
J. Moore D. T. Newman
attorney at law
W. B. Kelly at at Law
M. P. Newman
James Eastham
3 rd city at law
John H. Polyer
Comm: Com: Schools.
D. D. Fish Clerk
Rockcastle Circuit
Ky
State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County ss
J. D. G. Ledbetter Clerk of the County Court

Court, aforesaid do hereby certify that the letter of recommendation and the names thereto attached, to wit, J. A. Moore, J. Newcomb, W. H. Kirby & James Eastham all attorneys at law, at this place, E. P. Fish clerk of the Rockcastle circuit court and Messrs Newcomb, Miller P. Newcomb John H. Colyer all attorneys formerly appointed attorneys  attorneys to letter of Recommendation at law, and the signatures thereto to be genuine, and men of high respectability, and fully conversant with the statements there in made in relation to Mrs. Alfred Smith
Given under my hand and seal of my office at Mt Vernon the 22 nd day of June 1839
D Galyer Clk
The above erasure was made upon signed
D Galyer Clk Rockcastle County court

✓ E. Smith Mr Vernon Ky June 21. 1859
✓ Respecting case of Mrs Betty Hall ----- Free M rs in a way June 22/59
Hon! Dr Thompson ( Pension Office ) (Sec. Int.) Washington
Mail 3 city
✓ Respectfully referred to the Comm. of Pensions Dept of Int June 27. 1859 J. W. Lestle
acting Chf Clerk Recd 27 June 59 Mr. Platt

St. Vernon Ky
June 21/59
Dear Mr. Thompson: Sir: Betty Hall is an applicant for a pension before the Department. I have no interest in the claim but my deposition may taken in the case. I am told some person has wrote to the department there is no such woman living - a great lie, as others swear to her as well as myself. Since 1882 I have known her as by reputation as the widow I think of John Hall an officer of the N. E. who died in Am. We knew it here. The informant should be brought to light. It is seen to the old lady, to the public, and to us who were sworn. In justice to myself and others may I ask for his name and a copy of the letter. His name is not given up than a copy of the letter. As to myself I refer you to Genl. J. S. McCalla of your city whom I have known party many. With kind regards E. Smith

✓ Alfred Smith M c Vernon, Ky June 22. 1859
✓ In relation to the claim of M rs Hettie Hall &c
✓ Respectfully referred to the Comm ee of Pensions D ep t of Int l June 27. 59 S p W. Lester
Albany Chelle Rec d 27 June 59 Mr. R. Hett

Fort Vernon, Kentucky
22 nd June 1859
Hon. Secretary of Interior.
Washington D.C.
Dear sir.
I have thought it prudent to enclose to you a recommendation signed by my neighbors as I have understood some unkind man has been writing against me and the claim of Mrs. Betty Hall. - (Sending the recommendation I deem that out of place at this time, as no member of Congress is now at Washington Hospital) I am Dear sir My rights
Truly Yours &c Albion Smith

Wt Vernon Kentucky 24 th June 1859 Hon Commissioner of Pensions.
Washington D.C.
Dear Sir
Your letter dated the 17 th Inst is at hand. Showing that the opinion of Your office, was affirmed, in the application of Miss Betty Wall for a pension on the appeal rendered at 11 th July 1836. - Submitted as the Commissioners Opinion show when the appeal was taken. If it is not inconsistent with the rules of the office, do me the favor to direct to me a copy of the opinion of Hon. Gentry of Kentucky in the case. I presume he gave it at length, - From what I learn. I infer some letter writer has been engaged writing to your office against this claim - and against me - for which caused the Government to send out an agent to look into this claim. - suffered by I am gratified the investigation was made, but the investigation does not lessen the crime the unprincipled letter writer is guilty of - and from your letter I think you will concur with me, when I say that a copy of the letter or letters written to your office against the claim. I think now I am entitled to copies thereof, or the original ones, concurrently. please send them to me or copies thereof. It is the first time in my life that my reputation has been struck at - and the man that did

it. I most earnestly  certainly ought to know him. I live in the midst of a set of unprincipled-political opposition to every thing that is right, made up from all kinds of political corruption, who would prostrate me and my family, if they could in the estimation of all honorable men. (For what? Not that I ever harmed any man, not that any act of my life has been inconsistent with truth & honesty, but solely, because I have thought proper to take my own course in political matters, as all honorable men will do. I have and expect to continue opposing all such political corruption as are now going on in Kentucky, by the what is called the opposition party, I know I have an enemy in the camp and Justice Desmarias I should know him, and for a copy of his letters written against this claim. - I think is due me.
I am Dear Sir
Truly yours &c
Alfred Smith

De J. D. Mullins By Deputy Clerk Clerk of the Court and
D Mullins Deposition Application for Pension Petty Wall Ky At 21 July 1838 From Kentucky
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State of Kentucky Rabbin County Ky

State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County Set
Be it known that on this 27 day of June 1859 before me The preceding Judge in and for the county aforesaid personally appeared L. D. Mullins - aged 50 years a resident of the county and State aforesaid, who being first sworn in the law and upon his oath so the make the following affidavit Says that I have resided in Rockcastle County Kentucky from my infancy & in the neighborhood where Betty Hall resided in said county - I have many times heard the said Betty Hall assert her rights to a pension - on account as she said of her husband, survivor John Hall, who was an officer in the old war - Revolutionary army in North- Carolina - it was in my raising a common neighborhood talk, when the said Betty Hall said that her husband the said John Hall had served in the old war as aforesaid I have heard many of the people say the same thing, and his service was questioned or doubted by some - I am acquainted with the said John Hall and James Hall -

State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County Set
Be it known that on this 27 day of June 1889 before me The preceding Judge in and for the county aforesaid personally appeared L. D. Mullins - aged 50 years a resident of the county and State aforesaid, who being first sworn in the law and upon his oath doth make the following affidavit. Says that I have resided in Rockcastle County Kentucky from my infancy & in the neighborhood where Kitty Wall resided in said county. I have many times heard the said Kitty Wall assert her rights to a pension - on account of the services of her husband, deceased John Wall, who was an officer in the Old war - Revolutionary army in North- Carolina - it was in my hearing & common neighborhood talk when the said Kitty Wall heard that her husband the said John Wall had served in the old war as aforesaid I have heard many aged people say the same thing, and his services was questioned or doubted by some. I am acquainted with Polly Wall and James Cum- mons witnesses in the application of Kitty Wall aforesaid - for a pen- sion - they are aged people and whose oaths are entitled to
I am personally acquainted with the affiant L. D. Mullins and believe him to be a man of truth and veracity
J. D. Sevcum

State of Kentucky Rockcastle County Set I D r G. Bealyn Clerk of the county court aforesaid. Certify that the signature of Jonathan Newman is genuine. above signed - Given under my hand and seal of office this 9 th day of July 1860 D r G. Bealyn clerk

William deceased a witness in said application for a pension. he would now doubtless be near or quite 90 years old if he was alive. he came from North Carolina many years ago & settled and lived in the neighborhood in Rockcastle county Ky. where the said Kitty Hall lived. and the said Spencer Mullins died in said county of Rockcastle in the year 1854 or 1855 - and his wife is entitled to full faith and credit. I have no interest in this claim nor concerned in it in any way - or related to the parties concerned. L D Mullins
State of Kentucky Rockcastle county Set Sworn to and subscribed before me by L D Mullins - after the foregoing deposition was read and explained to him - he signed the same understanding - and I know the affiant to be respectable Resident in said county. whose oath is entitled to full faith and credit and I have no interest in this claim nor concerned in its prosecution this 27 th June 1859 B K Bethurum judge
of the Rockcastle county courts Ky. State of Kentucky Rockcastle county Court.
Call from September 25 th 1859 The deposition of L D Mullins in support of the services of John Hall deceased in the application of Mrs. Kitty Hall for a residu- luary pension from Kentucky to the pension office

at Washington City was on this day presented in open Court examined and was approved by the court and ordered to be certified that the court being personally acquainted with the affiant J D Mullins to be respectable and entitled to credit.
A copy attested
State of Kentucky
D G Galyer Clerk
Rockcastle County Set
I D G Galyer Clerk of the court for the county and State aforesaid do certify that B R Rether are whose name appears to the foregoing certificate, is and was at the date of signing the same the presiding Judge of the county court aforesaid, duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs, and his said signature thereto is genuine.
Given under my hand and seal of office this 26 th day of September 1859
D G Galyer Clerk
Rockcastle County court Ky

W t Vernon Rockworth Co Ky. 22 d July 1859.
War Commission of Pensions. Washington D.C.
Dear Sir
I have received the opinion of Hon Secretary of the Interior his opinion given at length. setting forth his reasons and wherefore. why he confirmed the opinion of your office in the application of Mrs. Betty Wall for a pension. I hardly think that I can procure any more proof in the case. except parole proof. which in this case if I had a hundred deposition-parole proofs would not change the situation of the case. I have to night concluded to rehearse my motions relative to the justness of this claim. and other matters relative to my course through life. in the first place my Father in 1816 or between that & 1820. he was first elected a Member of the Kentucky Legislature. from this county. in which Caparatus he lived with him self and county. for about 20 Sessions. and in the Senate of Kentucky the this Genl. McCalla of Washington is known to, with whom you are familiar acquainted. he had great respect for the old Ladies of the Country especially those who had husbands that lived in days or years gone by. in the revolutionary struggle the days that brave men sold. and Mrs. Wall came to

this county a poor widow about the date of the war 1812. and lived with the family of a worthy old man for some years. who will know her husband John Hall better in North Carolina and in the state of Tennessee my Father formed an acquaintance with her and ascertained that her husband John Hall then deceased, had been an officer in the old war that he had died in poverty, and the first or second session my Father was elected to the Kentucky Legislature he introduced a bill to give to this poor old woman Mrs. Mary Hall 100 acres of land unappropriated some for to be taken up for her benefit in this county. but in the act I am told made a reserve that after her death the land was to descend to her the legal representatives, and lately I found a deed made by Mrs. Mary Hall many years ago, recorded in this office to 100 acres of the land referred to. Old people that know about her husband since are no near with the exception of Thos. Bushnell a witness in the case & some others testified in the case. at the date her deposition was taken some others that testified in the case. I was to take the trouble I could assign many, more reasons why that I am as confident as ever as to the business of this claim, - but the time has come when no proof that can be presented that will recover a claim of the kind and the officers of the Government is not much to blame as it is time all revolutionary claims ought to be wound up - but I must confess that a claim

like Mrs Hall? being kept back by pension Agents promising as the Chieftains of the dice. to attend to her claim, as the Government Agent was informed by her Granddaughter with whom she lives: and her Application being made by her in 1853. an agent should not be a false agent her--- I have nothing to say against the Pension office. Department about the course pursued relative to the right of Mrs Hall. nevertheless, I am sorry it could not be settled otherwise and the claim granted. but I am free to say, that in all my pract- ice in the prosecution of pension claims. there is no act of my life that I have any fear but will come out to fully justify my course but when the time comes that a witness whose deposition I have taken and in good faith, shall be afterwards questioned if I had not offered to pay her something as I learn to day the questioning was so put to Mrs Polly Miller by the Government Agent who examined the case - if I had not promised to pay her for swearing. - the Agent had been well advised by persons he knew to be gentlemen that I was a gentleman. The deposition of Polly Miller in the case, was loudly read to her and she signed and was sworn to its undisturbed. Since things has progressed in this case as the Govern- ment Agent has. It tells me that the position of a pension agent is the most responsible. and I have 30 claims before Congress. persons already

On the pension list I dislike to quit them, and expect to continue prosecuting the claims before congress, but owing to the very great responsibility, a pension agent has to incur from this time forward I will never again touch or handle an other revolutionary pension claim. If I could find proof by an eye witness to satisfy the Department as to the rights of Mrs Wall I would progress with it because I know the claim is just and right but as no hope of getting any more proof to satisfy the pension office, I am forewarned with this case and all others except those I have before congress if special acts are passed the pension office will have but little control over it. I had a few days since written to Mr. Melick - to look into the Wall case and help me with it but to day having had a witness asked the question propounded to Polly Miller whether I had agreed to pay her something or not. I think it is high time I was out of the business entirely. I withdraw withdrawals from the prosecution of Mrs Wall's claim and all others before the pension office. I think it is high time for me to withdraw from pension claims after such questions being propounded - a thing I never thought of done with any witness I ever drew the deposition for or of - the Agent unfortunately fell in with James D Ballard & Thos Forrester men that have no neighbors or friends nor never will have, to much

12 Thos Freeman & Ballard are
wolf in the two men - they are the opposition in this country. in Madison Co I D Ballard of whom I speak was a candidate in this County and Samuel Long, where about about 1600 votes are cast for the Legislature. and he did not make a hundred votes. Thos Freeman is an old selfish unprincipled man wants every other person to sink but himself and family - Since the Government Agent left Sam Freeman has sold out & under- -stands his whole farm for whisky - and has changed his mode of living - he now can use plenty of whisky as usual. he has some eliver children but it is not known - I have written lengthy - and hope you will read it carefully - and as I have written to Genl McCalla to look into the case of Miss Scott Hall - for the reason set forth he need not look into it for my benefit. nevertheless - my opinion will ever  ever be that Miss Hall should have received her money. Her claim is right there can be no doubt, nevertheless I move also done her claim - and all others for the future before the Pension office - for the cause is just. nevertheless - I am as ever for a few years passed - a voter with the Democratic party - and will continue so - especially as times are now close as to political matters in this Congressional District - Capt Joseph Elliott - the 6 th District - the Democratic candidate - as his start was had being opposed by an other

Democrats of notwithstanding that is now partly reconciled it has caused a lack sit. as Rice the other Democrats will not support Garrison. I dare the opposition I fear from letters I see to day, written by Democrats here  here to this place - make the news quite unfavourable to Garrison. But still I cannot think that Adams will beat him, the Democratic party is well united for Garrison in this county. he will not lose a Democratic vote in this county. and if  if you but think it would be a great calamity  calamity for Adams to be elected. in  in such a result I will do all in my power to elect Garrison. and to defeat Adams.
please show this to Genl. McHallen
I am Dear Sir Truly Yours &c
Alfred Smith

Mr G. T. Getty Clerk Pension Office Washington D.C.
Mt Vernon Rockcastle County Kentucky. 5 th Decr 1859
Dear Sir,
I obtained a pension for Mr. Henry Miller of this county, about 1852 on account of wounds he received while in the service of the U.S. in 1812 on account of which his leg was ampu- tated, for which he is now drawing a pension. I have urged his case both before the Secretary of the Interior before the court of claims and before congress for his back pay to take date at the date of the amputation. Session before last Hon. John Mc Elliott M.C. from Ky. passed the bill in the House by a 2/3 rd vote he passed it by over 100 majority. 250 of the best citizens of this county has asked congress by petition to pay to Mr. Miller his back pay. & Hon. J. Mc Elliott succeeded to pass the bill at $8 per month commencing 30 th August 1817. to run to the date his income was placed upon the pension but making a little over $3300. the Senate failed to report the bill even last session. I have lately requested the Hon. Simon S. Powell M.S. Senator from Kentucky to start the case in the Senate. The claim is a meritorious one nevertheless. Some ungrateful

Pension agents, who practice before the different pension office departments. I am sure one has tried to through or talk against the claim, to prejudice it, or have tried to prejudice some of the members against the passage of the bill. and the result of it is understood it is Agents at Washington has written three letters to Mr Miller to get the manage- ment of the claim, nevertheless may be the cause of their exertion against it before Congress. I am now urging the claim again before Congress. Having no doubt of its justness that there is no more meritorious claim presented to Congress. I take the liberty to write you. Knowing you was in Kentucky last season looking into Messrs. Kelly, Hall claim. I heard of your inquiry about Henry Miller of Mr Eastha, & ledger at Dover in Estell county Ky. and it may be necessary for you to make a statement as to the justness of the claim from all you know and hear of Mr Miller from all you have heard and know for the statements of those who live in the same county that Mr Miller does, 250 persons of the best citizens of this county some 3 or 4 years ago signed a petition asking Congress to pay the claim of Mr Miller. & Elliott passed the bill in the House session before last by over 100 majority. The claim is just & right. a word against a claim now a days. defeats a claim. whether the party knows much about it or not. I shall refer the members to you to make a statement

about what you had of the claim while on your visit to Ky. - The claim of Asaph Hall I do not know that I shall be able to get up any more personal proof in her case. Alexander Leonards a revolutionary pension of Nottingham cost £ died about a year ago. The clerk of that court advised me lately I am advised I know much about the service of Quaker Master John Hall & also know his wife Huldy Hall. Isaac Goodwin of Monroe cost £ who knew the parties in N C & was a pensioner died April last. a letter to me from the Sheriff of that court, or advice me received a few days ago. I know of no more proof to be found in the case except parole proof. would avail nothing. There was a Mrs. Trooper of Alvin & Missouri that knew Quaker Master John Hall and his wife in N C either in time of the Revolution or soon thereafter. before they moved to the state of Tennessee. she is said to be a very old Lady. I received a letter from that court, some 5 days ago. stating that they will know Mrs. Trooper that she was a very old Lady & respectable. that he would see her son. & if she knew any thing about the case and he would take the proof & send it on. If I fail getting any proof from that quarter I suppose Asaph Hall will be dispossessed of her rights to the pension. she now lays in the bed nearly all the time. if she dies of course the claim is lost. Beall said the pensioner will know

every word uttered by his deposition at the time he gave it. you are aware he is a good citizen, a man of truth, notwithstanding the little discrepancy in his statement to you, and that of his deposition in the case Mr. Hudson the Justice advises me - that when the question was asked Becknell, by you in the investigation, whether he knew Betty Wall the Applicant to be the widow of Quarter Master John Wall. (when Becknell refused to state to you positively that he personally knew her to be, more than that he had always so understood her to be. & she has been so regarded - that he knew John Wall was Quarter Master - that he resided in Warren Co NC at time of the war. that his wife was named Betty Wall - that he knew John Wall died in Warren Co, Tenn. Mr. Hudson correctly reports to me as to Becknell's statements. The case is partly well identified by him & his statement to you. I presume the case could not be received without further proof. & I fear it is extremely doubtful whether I have any more personal proof - I have no doubt of the Justice of the claim - whether it is ever granted or not - you will very much oblige me. To make a statement to General L. Esau Powell L W Powell, M. S. writer for you - what you knew about Mr. John Miller claim. It may be of service to Mr. Miller in the claim before congress. Truly yours &c Alfred Smith

I much regretted that I failed to see you while in Kentucky. I happened at Mrs. Wall, a day or two after you left. If I can succeed in getting up sufficient proof in favour of Mrs. Wall before she dies, I shall be in Washington City between this and Spring - to present the proof if I am successful in getting it up. nevertheless I have but little hope of getting up any more personal proof - testimonial proof I am aware would not renew the claim - it is more than possible I would have abandoned the claim of Mrs. Betty Wall after your investigation - after I received the Secretaries opinion, nevertheless no  fraud was reported or was in the claim. had it not been for several letters - some from Washington City, some from North Carolina, & even Virginia, came to this office to some to Post Master enquiring for Mrs. Wall and some to Mrs. Betty Wall - which letters were handed to me, which was evident to me, that some scoundrel had been doing all they could to get me shifted out of the claim to get its management themselves. I then determined on going ahead with the claim if any more proof could be found. Since that time I have

exerted myself to find proof, to satisfy the pension office , and supply the allegations made. I have secured some considerable parole proof and I fear that no more personal proof will be found living - nevertheless, there may be some yet found, some unprincipled man - To gratify his own personal ambition or to displease me out of the claim to in order to get its management themselves or himself - I suspect have written against the claim, which brought about the investigation. One thing is evident - no act of my life that I have any fear of. I rest easy as to that matter. I have done no man a wrong if I knew it - If I ever do, when convinced of it, I always make amends. I have a family looking to me for protection, for their reputation and support. and as the pitiful sum of a few in a pension claim, would be no inducement to me to do a wrong to place my reputation in jeopardy - to stand between an honest man & a rogue - nevertheless, the claim was suspended. I have been and am now gratified the claim was looked into, if any person did write against me or the claim, it would be justice for me to know him; as no fraud was found in the case, but owing to the rigid rules of the Department. It will be difficult for me to know July, 1884 Alfred Smith

Hon. Commissioner of Pensions Washington D.C. Dear Sir
Mt Vernon Kentucky 23 d Jany 1860
I understand there is a John Wall who applies for a pension under act of 7 th Ju 1832. from Iron County Missouri and is a North Carolina Officer. under Col. Penticost, and is about 100 years old. I would like to know in what grade he states he served. I am still trying to find proof in support of the service of Quarter Master John Wall of the N.C. Line. The husband of Mrs. Betty Wall of Kentucky. If it not be contrary to your rules. I will be ever grateful to you. to simply state in what grade John Wall of Iron County Missouri served in the North Carolina Service. I havnt the slightest doubt as to the justice of the claim of Mrs. Betty Wall of Ky. - & if I can find any proof to satisfy the Department on that point. will remit it. but the great difficulty is about her living she now being last on to 107 years old and her health being very indifferent. She keeps her bed nearly all the time. She may drop off at any time. within the last 12 months. I have heard of three revolutionary pensioners two in N.C. & one in Ky. that knew the parties in time of the war. but having lately received letters of their death. and one Robt Baker who knew the parties. died at the age of 90 years in Clay Co Ky. 10 days

he was not a prisoner before I applied to take his deposition as to Service of Quarter Master John Hall in Octr last. I did not hear of him knowing the parties in N.C. in time of the old war until August last. I fear that no more proof that personally know the facts can be found. I could obtain much more parole proof - but presume would avail nothing. The day was clear and the health of Thomas Becknel was good and his mind seemed good on the day his deposition was taken by Justice Hudson and the old man seemed to well know all the statements made in the deposition he gave which Hudson drew up & on the day Mr. Getty the Clerk was there in Spile or may last - and examined him. The Justice has since advised me that Mr. Beck- nel's health at that time was not so good as it was when his deposition was taken. when he reported to the Agent, a little discrepancy in his statements to the agent to that of his deposition. I say a little, Hudson states that Becknel stated to the Agent that he knew Quarter Master John Hall resided in Warren County in N.C. in time of the old war. That his wife was named Nitty Hall. & that Quarter Master John Hall died in Warren County Tennessee. - I mention this as correctly reported to me by Hudson the Justice since the examination - the statements of his to the agent Identified as to the correctness of the report of the Justice - the Clerk can advise you. - Your friend Alfred Smith

State of Missouri } County of Iron }
I J. B. Re. justice of the peace for the County of said certify that on the 30 th day of January 1860 I signed my certificate of same date which is attached to the deposition of Captain John Hall of the county of said in support of the service of Quarter Master John Hall of the North Carolina service in the revolutionary war and omitted to state that I had no interest in the claim This is to certify that I have no interest in said claim nor concerned in its prosecution and I further certify that said deposition was made and explained to the said John Hall before signing and he signed the same understandingly and I believe him to be of the age he states and his believe him to be sincere in his statements and he is a respectable resident of said County and of depositing memory nevertheless his extreme old age
Given under my hand this 13 th day of February 1860
J. B. Re. justice of the peace State of Missouri } County of Iron } I John F. T. Edwards Clerk of the County Court in and for the County

aforesaid hereby certify that Jacob T. Ake esqr whose signature appears to the foregoing certificate is and was at the date thereof an acting justice of the peace within and for the County of Iron State of Missouri duly commissioned and qualified as such that his signature thereto is genuine, that full faith and credit are due to all of his official acts as justice of the peace—as aforesaid— In witness whereof, I hereunto set my hand and affix the seal of said Court at office at Ironton this 13 th day of February A.D. 1860. John F. Edwards Clerk By his Deputy W m A. Gregory
Ironton. Iron Co. Missouri July 13 th 1869 I am personally acquainted with the foregoing Affiant Capt John Hall, and am free to say that he is a gentleman in whose statements I have the most implicit confidence for a man of truth & veracity and he is of disposing memory notwithstanding his extreme old age, and he is looked upon by his neighbors and acquaintances to be a Revolutionary Father of the North Carolina Service Witness. David Taylor. J A Boorington Respectfully David Humphreys JPM

Horn Repd March 27 th 1860
I take Great pleasure in saying that I am well acquainted with Mr David Humphreys of Linton Mo and that he is a man of high moral character, a man of veracity, and his statement above is entitled to Confidence. My acquaintance with Mr Humphreys has been of many years standing and quite intimate Geo W Wood

Dear Sir
M c Wormwood Kentucky
9 th July 1860
I have written to you some days ago, to get a statement of the service of John Wall of Iron County, State of Missouri, as alleged by him in his application for a revolutionary pension under act 1832, from that state, if not inconsistent with the rules of the pension office, to save you of some trouble, this is to inform you that I have just received the deposition of the said John Wall taken by J. S. a justice of the peace of Iron Co Mo. dated on the 30 th ultimo (Thirtieth), in the application of Mrs. Betty Wall of Kentucky for a Revolutionary pension, under act of 11 th July 1836 & 7 th July 1838. - John Wall states in his deposition, that he volunteered in the county of Piquinians, in the state of North Carolina in the Revolutionary War, and served as an officer - a Captain under Colonel Rutledge, and Genl Morgan, and was at the Battle of Guilford Court House in 1781, while he was in the service aforesaid, he knew John Wall of Warren County in North Carolina & who served as Quartermaster under Genl Morgan in the North Carolina Line in the Revolutionary War.) and goes on and traces him well from Warren County in North Carolina to Warren County in the State of Tennessee where it is alleged by Mrs. Betty Wall that her husband, Quartermaster John Wall died in 1810. The deposition of Capt John Wall has been well recommended by persons known to H. M c Wormwood

or the Member of Congress who represents the district in which Mrs. C. C. Moore is part, the recommendation states in substance, that Capt John Wall, is of strict morals - a Gentleman - and mind is good - nevertheless his estate is of a small value. Capt John Wall states that he is about one hundred years old. I know that you are a generous hearted man, That your position is such, to administer justice to the applicants as well as to the Government, without prejudice for or against - I know that you will do right to the poor as well as to the rich. Mrs. Betty Wall - I doubt not is as poor as any person - and her rights I know you will protect, so far as justice is demanded. nothing else is exacted but justice, I am aware that some of my political opponents in Madison County Kentucky - has used their efforts to prejudice the claim of Mrs. Wall. This poor old woman - unprincipled persons to, that knows nothing about the claim. The Department - has done nothing more than what I approve in the examination of her claim, - but for unprincipled people - to try to prejudice a claim that they know nothing about is all wrong. Why sir, whilst I know Mrs. Wall is as poor as any person can be - is nothing against her rights - look at the condition of the country and the people at the close of the revolution. 1783 - this needs no explanation to you - as you are well acquainted with the history of the time at that day, from history history, many great men at the close of the war - you are doubtless advised - that there was a general paralysis of

much so - that they continued poor to the date of their death, as was the case with Quarter Master John Hall, and left his wife in poverty at his death - who has struggled through the world the best she could. why, sir, there is an old lady by the name of Lumpkins a Revolutionary pensioner, living in one half mile of me, who was formerly the widow of Colonel Williams of the Revolutionary war. she now draws, I believe $330. per annum, or there about, on account of her said first husband service Col Williams in the Revolution. she saw before her name was placed on the Rev pension list. under act 1838, was as poor as Mrs. Betty Hall or any other pensioner - and Mrs. Lumpkins is drawing what I believe her to be justly entitled to, nevertheless her poverty before her name was placed on the pension list. The Justice certificate to the Department of Capt John Hall - the Justice failed to state in his certificate, that he had no interest in the claim, or concerned in it in any way. I had to write back - to get him to make that statement in a certificate, to that effect giving the date of his certificate to the Department of Capt John Hall, of Iron Co Mo - and send it to me - else - I would have remitted Capt Hall's Department to Washington as soon as it arrived, but now must wait until Justice Ake, can return to me his certificate, notwithstanding I know he hasn't the first particle of interest in the claim in any way - Mrs. Betty Hall is now very unwell - she keeps her bed all the time, I fear she may die, before action - can be had on her claim,

She is nevertheless yet alive.
I can only appeal to your humanity on behalf of this poor old woman. her claim I have no doubt is just. and I am now satisfied. when I can get my papers for her all arranged and filed at Pension office, you will say so to.
I am Dear Sir Truly your friend Alfred Smith
Genl. Commissioner of Pensions, Washington D.C.
C. T. G.

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State of Missouri } County of Iron } ss
Be it known that on the 30 th day of January 1860 personally appeared before me a Justice of the Peace, within and for the County aforesaid John Hall aged about one hundred years. - a resident of the County aforesaid, who being first sworn according to Law, doth upon his oath make the following affidavit - viz: - I volunteered in the county of Pergueman, in the State of North Carolina, in the Revolutionary War and served as an officer - a captain - under Colonel Penticoat and General Morgan. I was at the Battle of Guilford Court House in the year 1781, and while I was in the service aforesaid. I knew John Hall of Warren County in North Carolina & who served as Quarters Master, under General Morgan in the North Carolina line in the Revolutionary War from Warren County in the above State, and after the war was over, said Quarters Master John Hall and his family emigrated to Warren County in the State of Tennessee. Was acquainted with Quarters Master John Hall for eight or ten years before the War when he resided in Halifax and in Northampton Counties in North Carolina. I had an interview with him the next day after the Battle of Guilford Court House, at General Morgan's house when we dined with General Morgan. General Morgan was then living about 15 or 20 miles from Guilford. I well remember the time when Quarters Master John Hall removed from Warren County in

North Carolina and went to Warren County in the State of Tennessee. He invited me to come to Tennessee to make him a visit, but was never able to do so. About ten days before the Battle of Guilford Court House I visited Luther Martin Hall & family and saw a young child four or five years of age, which I supposed was their child. After dinner was over at General Morgan's, we started with our company accompanied by Luther Martin Hall on a scouting expedition, and soon fell upon a body of British & Tories, and some of them were killed, some were hung on trees and grape vines, & the rest fled. Soon after this skirmish Luther Martin Hall and myself parted, he going to the left and our company to the right in the direction of Marion's troops. Luther Martin Hall was a little older than myself and about my weight & size. His wife's name was Betty as I often heard him so call her.
I have no interest in this claim nor connected to the parties in any way.
Signed
his John Hall mark

I of the justice of the peace within and for the County of Iron in the State of Missouri do certify that in pursuance of the within commission indicated came before me John Hall who was by me sworn to testify the upole truth of his knowledge touching the matter in controversy aforesaid that he was examined and his examination reduced to writing and subscribed by him in my presence on the day between the hours and at the place in that behalf first aforesaid and his said deposition is now herewith returned and I further certify that the said John Hall is a resident of said County of Iron in said State of Missouri
Given at Iron in the County of Iron State of Missouri this 30 th day of January 1860
I of the justice of the peace
State of Missouri County of Iron I John F. S. Edward Clerk of the County Court in and for the County aforesaid hereby certify that Jacob Ake Esq. whose signature appears to the foregoing certificate is and was at the date thereof an acting justice of the peace within and for the County of Iron State of Missouri duly commissioned and qualified as such that his signature thereto is genuine that full faith and credit are due to all of his official acts as justice of the peace as aforesaid In witness whereof I hereunto set my hand and affix the seal of said court at office at Iron this 30 th day of January 1860 John F. S. Edward Clerk

Letter.
In favour of Mrs. Betty Scull of Kentucky. Widow of Lieutenant John Scull of the North Carolina Line in the Revolution.

Dear Sir
Mr Vernon Rockcastle County Kentucky
27 th July 1860
We the undersigned resident citizens of this county have for a considerable length of time had it represented that Mrs. Betty Hall an aged woman who resided in this county for many years has made her application to Pension office at Washington city for a revolutionary pension on account of the services of her husband John Hall deceased as an officer in the Revolutionary army in the state of North Carolina; we have had considerable conversation about her claim and it seems to be the settled opinion that the claim is just and ought to be granted by the government to her public sentiments favor it and hope the Genl Commission of Pensions will so consider the claim it being a meritorious one as we believe and we have no interest in the claim.
Respectfully,
Genl Commission of Pensions.
Washington D.C.
J. A. Moore Atty at Law Mc Kenney Ky J. G. Hargrove Atty at Law Mt Vernon Ky W. A. Bivins
Ber. R. P. Hargrove H. B. Linnice
George Proctor Charles A. P. Reed
C. V. Whittaker
E. C. Dick Clerk Rockcastle Circuit Court
M. M. Lewis J. D. Duncum Atty at law
Miss Hiett B. K. Bethurum Judge of Rockcastle County Court W. H. Kelly Atty at Law M. P. Newman V.P. Am M. T. Vernon Tys

State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle B s a
I Daniel G. Godyer Clerk of the County Court for the County aforesaid do Certify that I am personally acquaint- -ted with all the persons whose names are signed to the foregoing instrument and that they are all Gentle- -men of the highest respectability whose statements are perfectly reliable - and I concur in their statements in relation to Mr. Hertz Hall -
In testimony of which I have hereunto Subscribed my name and affixed the Seal of said County. This the Twenty Seventh day of February Eighteen Hun- -dred and Sixty I further Certify that the signatures of the aforesaid persons are genuine - Given under my hand & Seal &c
D. G. Godyer clerk.

House of Representatives March 29 th 60
I am well acquainted with all the persons whose names are signed to the foregoing statement on the first page of this sheet, with the exception of Mr. Mullins, and recognize their signatures to be genuine, & state that they are all gentlemen of high integrity the very best citizens of Rockcastle County & their statements are entitled to credit about any matter.
Green Adams

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State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County Set
Be it known that on this 24 th day of February 1860 Before me the preceding Judge within and for the county aforesaid personally appeared Widow Arvine aged 58 years a resident of the county aforesaid and respectable, who being first sworn, as the law directs, upon her oath doth make the following affidavit, says that I have resided in said county, ever since its creation and before the war 1812. I have been personally acquainted with Mrs. Betty Wall, ever since soon after the war 1812. She came from the State of Tennessee, when she first moved to Kentucky, and settled in this county, where she resided for many years, in the immediate neighborhood, where I lived in said county, for many years, and where she resided, until she moved to Madron County, Kentucky. I have often heard the said Betty Wall, say at an early day, that her husband John Wall served in the army of the revolutionary war as an officer, in the North Carolina line, in said war. I have heard many aged people in my hearing, say the same thing, especially in regard to the service of her husband the said John Wall as an officer in the North Carolina line, in the Revolutionary war, was questioned or doubted by none. James Wall, The son of Mrs. Betty Wall, and the said John Wall, was a soldier in the war 1812, as I have often heard him say. James Wall is now dead. The Mullins, the old set of them who came from North Carolina, at an early day, and settled in this county, is all dead, who

must have known much about the service of his said husband the said John Hall as as I have often heard them say - Mr. Leharpe and Mary Mullins of this county and was North Carolinians - by whom the fact of the service could be proved, if living, but they are both dead - and would doubtless now be if alive near or quite one hundred years old. Spencer Mullins, who said he knew Nelly Hall and John Hall his husband - is dead. he died in this county in the year 1852 or 1855 - must have known much about said service. the said Spencer Mullins if he was now alive - from what he said, about his age - would be doubtless now near or quite ninety years old. The said Spencer Mullins was respectable and to be believed upon oath. I am advised he was a witness in the application of Mrs. Nelly Hall, for a pension from Kentucky. I have no interest in this claim, nor connected to the parties in any way. I know John Hall was a witness in the case. he is to be believed upon oath or otherwise. Colley Owens
Sworn to and subscribed by Willy Owens before me on the day and year first above written. understandingly - and I know the affiant Willy Owens to be a respectable resident of said county, whose oath is entitled to full faith and credit and I believe his statements to be true & I have no interest in this claim nor concerned in its prosecution. B K Betherum judge

State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County (Set
I D G Galyer clerk of the county court for the county aforesaid. - certify that B H Beth- suram whose name appears to the foregoing Certificate is and was at the date of signing the same the presiding Judge of the county court aforesaid duly commissioned and sworn according to law and his said Signature thereto, is genuine. Given under my hand and the seal of said county court on this 24 th day of February 1860 D Galyer clerk
I believe
I have known Wesley Owens the affiant ever since I can recollect. He and I were raised in the same neighborhood and in the neighborhood where Betty Hall formerly lived. He is an acting Justice of the Peace of Rockcastle County and I would believe him on oath or otherwise as soon as I would any one I. D. Owens

Ident. Com missioner of Pensions Washington D.C.
Wt Brown Kentucky 18 th Feby 1860
My dear Sir
Your letter dated the 10 th Inst. came to hand, after I had received the deposition of Capt. John Hall of Granton, Iron county Missouri. I had advised you a few days since, to that effect, hoping to save you of some trouble, in giving me the desired information. You state that Thomas Becknell expressly stated to the agent of your office, that he had no knowledge whatever of Betty Walls being the widow of the John Hall, he knew in North Carolina as a revolutionary soldier, & that he never swore that he had any such knowledge.
My reason for replying is simply to state the facts of the case. The clerk is well apprised, that the Justice Hudson informed him that he drew up Thos Becknell's deposition with his own hands, that Hudson was present with him at Thos Becknell's, at his examination, when in the presence of the clerk and Hudson Mr Becknell told the clerk, that he will know Martha Master John Hall & N.C. in time of the war, but denied personally

Knowing Betty Wall to be the widow of Duarte Martin John Wall, but I had always understood her to be his widow. That John Wall, lived in Warren County in North Carolina, and died in Warren Co. Tennessee. The Clerk was advised that Mr Becknel was not very well at the time of his investigation, - and in the cause I think of Becknel, not recollecting at that time all he admitted. Mr Wudson to state about the case when he gave the deposition - his mind seemed clear upon the subject stated as expressed in the deposition. The day was clear and his health he said was good, - every word uttered in the deposition was directed by Thos Becknel, - in substance so, not only in the presence of my self was his deposition taken, but in the presence of Justice Wudson who presided at himself who is a Gulliana, no man can doubt. and also in the presence of one of the sons of Thos Becknel & others. The deposition was taken - the old man's mind. I doubts not from his health being some what indifferent, at the time. The Clerk of your office, examined him, much

is the cause of him. Stating that he never knew that Nett Hall was the widow of Lorenzo Martin Hall. I know that he did know it, and directed it to be placed in the deposition. notwith- standing he directed it to the clerk - and I am not by myself to know that he did - I have no doubt that the clerk has made the report as Becknell stated to him. I am not controverting that point, because it is no interest to him, to do otherwise, but I suppose that Mr Hudson and the who was present at the examination - satisfied the clerk that Thos Becknell directed the statements in the deposition to be inserted. I hope he did - I know that no wrong was intended on any person's part in taking that deposition, and if Thos Becknell health's mind had been so good when the examination was made by your clerk, as it was when the deposition was taken, I cannot think for a moment that he ever would have recalled  recalled a statement made in his deposition, nothing else kept his health's mind not so good, could have caused him to make the variance; I am aware  aware the position of a private agent is a responsible position, and as I had written

for that Miss Wall's claim I believe to be just. nevertheless, the responsibility attached to the prosecution of Revolutionary claims that I was off for ever prosecuting an other. I afterwards concluded that some un- principled man, caused the examination and to gratify them, it was wrong for me to surrender it; consequently I commenced writing to Second  several States to find proof to establish her claim if I could, and as after some six months, hard labor writing over the country, have succeeded in finding some proof that is available in her case, and hope the misstatements of Gen. Becknell, &c. will not prejudice the claim of Miss Wall, if she is the widow of a Quarta Maria John Wall, and can satisfactory show it. She is entitled to the money, & if she is not, she of course is not entitled to it, it is certainly right to hear the proof. I know that you are a generous hearted man, that you want nothing, but to administer justice to the poor as well as to the rich, and will be willing, without prejudice against Miss Wall or against any other person to  person examine the proof, and will as I believe act upon it impartially. As I could think for ever present there was any margin the case decided for the other side of it, but having no doubt about its correctness I think it very possible to some extent that for the other side of it

A If I could think for one moment. That there was any doubt of its correctness I would forthwith abandon it. I hope never to try to recover money in a dishonorable way. - and being well aware. that - If I was to prose- -cute a claim. that I believed to be unjust. Then I would be sacrificing my honor as a gentleman and an honorable man. - but believing as I do in regard to Miss Hall's claim. that no claim is more meritorious than hers - I would certainly commit a Great wrong. to abandon her claim. I cannot do it. - and I can. Votuntearily say. to you upon the honor of a gentleman. that even if I do recover for Miss Betty Hall her pension. she is  is I have no doubt is entitled to - am at this moment determined. never to charge her or take one cent of her money. as a fee in the prosecution of her claim. If successful  successfully the agent at Washington must be paid. and all other cost. in the prosecution of her claim. I do not intend to take one cent. This is substantially my position in this claim of Miss Betty Hall now and will remain so. - Miss Hall keeps her head nearly all the time. - she may die before it is set my proof completed. if she does the

claim is of course lost. I think between the 1 st & 10 th March I will be able to send the proof to my agent at Washington City.
I am dear sir Truly Your friend Alfred Smith

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State of Kentucky, } Rockcastle County, } Set.
Be it known that on this the 18 th day of February 1860, before me M. Souder, Police Judge for Mt. Vernon, Kentucky, personally appeared Alfred Smith aged 31 years, a resident of the County aforesaid who being first sworn according to law, upon his oath doth make the following affidavit, - says, that I am the Attorney for Mrs. Kitty Hall in the prosecution of her claim for a revolutionary pension in her application from Kentucky, under Act of 14 th July 1836. I forwarded her amended declaration under Act of 20 th July 1838; that Fish was the Attorney who commenced her case as I understand it in 1833. I came into the case in 1837 or 1838. I first went to see her to satisfy myself as to the justness of her claim, and questioned her closely on several points: her mind then seemed tolerably clear upon events that she said happened in time of the old war, revolution. I asked her where her husband entered the service from in the revolution, and in what capacity he served in the Army, and in what battles if any he was in , and to speak of the names of some persons was with her husband a good deal, to state her age, the name of the officers under whom her husband served in the old war, and where he moved to after the war, and the time and place of his death, and when was her first

child born, - and she answered as follows - That her husband John Hall decd. entered the service in the early part of the war as a private from Warren County in the State of North Carolina and served to or near the close of the revolutionary Army as Quartermaster 1783 under General Morgan Long and others in the Continental line of said State; that he was at the battle of Eutaw Springs and others not recollected (probably the battle of Guilford); that at the time of the investigation was about one hundred and five years old; that she had one child born in 1776, and one born in 1790; that James Hall her youngest son was a soldier in the war of 1812, and supposed that his wife had received a bounty-land warrant for his services; that her children was all dead except some grand children; that after the war was over her and her husband re, moved to the County of Warren in the State of Tennessee where her said husband died in 1810; that they was another John Hall who was an officer that use to come to see her husband in time of the old war; that she did not remember his grade, but thought he was called a Lt. or Captain, and spoke of other names at the same time. That her husband and this officer John Hall with others went in pursuit of some Tories & Butick in time of the old war that had committed some depredations in the neighborhood where she lived, and when they returned they reported that they had overhauled

them and had killed some hung some taken some prisoners & some got away. That in time of the revolution she had suffered as much as any other woman, in particular while her husband was out in the service. That her husband purchased a great many things for the Army - said that if this Officer John Hall was alive that he would certainly recollect her and her husband Quarter Master John Hall but supposed that he was long since dead. I here further state that some time last fall I noticed a publication in the newspaper which stated in substance that John Hall of Clinton, Iron County, Missouri, attended a celebration in said County at a stated time in Clinton, Missouri, that he had fought well at the battle of Guilford C. H. 1781 , and was an Officer of a Company; that he was 99 years of age or to the amount and had never drawn a pension. When I noticed the publication I thought of the conversation had passed between me and Mrs. Kitty Hall about her claim to a pension who she said use to be with her husband Quarter Master John Hall. I commenced writing to ascertain and I am now in possession of sufficient information which I believe to be genuine to clearly satisfy me that Captain John Hall, of Iron County, Missouri, is the same Officer John Hall about whom Mrs. Kitty Hall spoke of when I first went to see her about her claim, and from the evidence before me I doubt it not that he is the same Officer John Hall use to come to her house, as she said, in

time of the old war, to see her husband aforesaid. Mrs. Nettie Hall is now very unwell; she keeps her bed all the time or nearly so, and is at this time incapable of giving a deposition. And the foregoing statements is true, and I have no interest in said claim nor concerned in its prosecution of Capt. John Hall, and her statement to me is given as near as I can now recollect.
Alfred Smith.
State of Kentucky, { Sworn to and subscribed Rockcastle County. } Pet. - before me by Alfred Smith on the day and year first above mentioned and was drawn up in affiant's own hand-write; & I know the affiant to be respectable resident of the County aforesaid whose oath is entitled to full faith and credit, and his said signature thereto is genuine, & I have no interest in the claim nor concerned in its prosecution. Milton Sowder, Police Judge.
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State of Kentucky, Rockcastle County, Set.
I, D.G. Colyer, Clerk of the County Court for the County aforesaid, certify that Milton Sowder whose name appears to the foregoing certificate is and was at the time of signing the same Police Judge for the Town of Mt. Vernon in the County aforesaid duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs, and his official acts is entitled to full faith and credit and his said signature thereto is genuine.
Given under my hand and the seal of said County, on this 20 th day of February 1860.
D.G. Colyer, Clerk.

Certificate of character of James Holland
E D Kennedy, H Q
See Hon Green Adams,

Mount Vernon Kentucky March 3 rd 1860
I am a resident of Garrard County Kentucky and am personally acquainted with James Holland of said County and so far as I know or have heard he is a gentleman of veracity and stands fair with the people in the neighborhood where he resides in Garrard County.
Attest
Respectfully E. D. Kennedy
Andrew Kennedy H. A. Peabody James Risser
I am personally acquainted with E. D. Kennedy who signed the foregoing letter and know him to be a gentleman of the highest character for veracity, &c, in whose statements I have implicit confidence.
E. D. Fish, Clerk
Rockcastle Circuit Court Kentucky
That Gran Adams is acquainted with Mr. Fish James Holland

Mr. Mullins Disposition in Witts Hall case
By
J. H. J. H.

State of Kentucky
Rockcastle County Set
Be it known that on this 28 th day of February 1860 Before me, presiding Judge of the county court for the county aforesaid, personally appeared. Morton Mullin, aged 53 years, a resident of the county aforesaid, who being first sworn according to law, upon his oath doth make the following affidavit. says That, I have resided in this county, ever since its creation, to the present date, in the same neighborhood, in this county, where Mrs Nelly Wall and since she came to Kentucky, and has resided here since about the date of the war 1812. The said Nelly Wall, always said, That she resided in Warren County, in the State of North Carolina, in time of the Revolutionary war that her husband John Wall, served in the North Carolina Service as an officer in the Revolutionary war, which has been the information I derived when I was a boy, both from the said Nelly Wall, and from others, who said they knew said Parties both in Northcar- olina, and knew the said Nelly Wall, in this county. She said, That her husband the said John Wall died in Warren County

in the state of Tennessee, before the war 1812, and the services of her said husband, as aforesaid has never been questioned or doubted, in the neighborhood where she lived for near or quite 35 years until she moved to Madison county Kentucky. I have been all my life acquainted personally, acquainted with Spencer Mullins, up to his death, who died in the Nashville Army about 1854 or 1855, he was a clever old man, in whose statements, I have the most implicit confidence. He said he knew said parties in N.C. and I know that he resided in the same neighborhood in this county, that Miss Nancy Hall lived, must have known much about the parties. I am advised that the said Spencer Mullins is a witness in the application of Miss Nancy Hall for a pension from Kentucky, & from what I have heard the said Spencer Mullins say about his age frequently, he would undoubtedly now be near or quite 90 years old. And I have no interest in this claim in any way.
M. Mullins

State of Kentucky, Rockcastle county Set Sewar to and subscribed by Morton Mullins before me on the day and year first above written. and I know the affiant Morton Mullins to be a gentleman of veracity and a resident of said county where oath is entitled to full faith and credit. and I have no interest in this claim nor concerned in its prosecution B H Bethurum judge
The word said since she, substituted in the foregoing deposition before signed B H Bethurum judge
State of Kentucky Rockcastle county Set I D G Collyn clerk of the county court for the county aforesaid certify that B H Bethurum whose name appears to the above certificates is and was at the time of signing the same the presiding judge of the county court aforesaid duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs and his said signature thereto is genuine Given under my hand and seal of office this 28 th day Febry 1860 D G Collyn clerk
I have been acquainted with affiant Morton Mullins for a number of years and believe him to be a man of truth and veracity and entitled to credit on oath D. Green

Mt Vernon Hwy Rockcastle County Kentucky 27 th July 1860
Dear Sir I am personally acquainted with Elijah Hudson a justice of the peace in Jackson County Kentucky and was also a justice of the peace in Madison County Kentucky before the erection of Jackson County the said Elijah Hudson I know to be a gentleman of strict veracity impeccable in his character and is of strict morality no man stands more fair than does the said Elijah Hudson in the community where he lives —
Respectfully John Ladd Hear Comm ee of Pensions Washington City
I have known John Ladd who signed the above letter for many years and can say that he is a gentleman of undoubted veracity — and would not sign his name to any thing that is not strictly true and I cheerfully recommend him to the Court of Pensions as a gentleman of honesty & integrity — Respectfully July 27 th 1860 J. B. M c . Ex. M c .

Harry Hall's case.
Power of attorney to J. M. McCalla
March 19 1860
a justice of the peace in & for Linn State County 3 John Kincaid P.

State of Kentucky Rockcastle County Set
I D G belyer clerk of the County Court within and for the County aforesaid - Certify that John B. Russell whose name appears to the foregoing Certificate, is and was at the time of signing the same a Justice of the peace, within and for the County aforesaid, duly commissioned and sworn according to Law, and his said signature thereto is genuine In testimony whereof I have hereunto affixed the Seal of said court. and subscribed my name Clerk of the County Court aforesaid at office in Mt Vernon Kentucky On this 19 th day of March 1860
J. G. Cooley, C. S. By Wm. Sawder S. C.

State of Kentucky } Rockcastle County } set.
I James Holland have hereby constituted and appointed In o Mr McCalla of Washington city my true and lawfull attorney in fact for me and in my name as next friend of Mrs Betty Hall of said state to prosecute the claim of said Betty Hall for a per- -any pension as widow of John Hall who served as quar- master in said war - heretofore pending in the Pension office at said city of Washington - hereby ratifying all his lawful acts, and those of any sub-attorney regularly appoin- -ted by him, as fully as if I were present consenting thereto. Given under my hand this 19 day of March 1860.
Attest - Hett. Rinnell } Rockcastle County James Holland John Rinnell } State of Kentucky Sealed signed and acknowledged } the day above written before me } a Justice of the peace in & for said state & county } John Rinnell P.
Mr Hett Rinnell John

Head-Commissioner of Pensions. Washington D.C. Dear Sir
Nottingham Kentucky 7 March 1860
As heretofore written to you, that Justice Blake of Benton Missouri had taken the deposition of Capt John Wall of Iron County Missouri. Was remitted to me, proving the services of Quarter Master John Wall of the N.C. Line in the Revolution, Mr. David Taylor of Benton Missouri was at this place a few days ago he is said to be a wholesale Merchant of Benton Mo and a very much of a gentleman - I gave to him my statements as they were reported to me by Mrs. Betty Wall before I came into the case made by her when I went to see her about her claim, in 1887 or 8, as she detailed it to me. She at the time spoke of Edward Wall - I believe was as she said was an officer, probably the same grade her husband was - was a relative of her  her husband besides she spoke of plant another John Wall that came to her home in time of the old war in N.C. was an officer & thought if he was alive would certainly recollect her and her husband Quarter Master J.W. Wall - and when I received the deposition and read it, it fully satisfied me, that John Wall of Iron Co Mo. is certainly the man about whom she spoke - the old lady at the time seemed to tolerably well understand what she said - after I first examined Mrs. Wall, I believe

Satisfied that her husband - was a Quarto master in the old war, and at the time Becknel's deposition was taken, he seemed to full understand himself, and knew about the parties as stated in the his deposition, as drawn up by Justice Hudson with his own hand - but from what your letter states lately it seems that the old man - has made some mis- statements to the Government Agent last year when he was in Ky - when Mr D. Layton was here in Feb last month. he said he was present when the deposition of Capt John Hall of Iron Co Mo. was taken - I charged him especially to tell me the truth as to the state of Capt Hall's mind, and whether the deposition was strictly understood and all the Statements therein made were fully understood by Capt Hall - that that point I wanted - he said that he will know Capt John Hall - that the old man's mind was perfectly good - and he will understand all the statements made in his deposition - that Capt Hall - nevertheless was 100 years old and from all he had learnt about his age - that he was no doubt 104 years old - that Capt Hall worked every day - that it was surprising to see him get about so well - being so very old - that Capt Hall would

not drink one drop of spirits of any kind - and that his character for a man of truth and honesty - was not surpassed by any one. that all was right. I told Mr Taylor. that the Government had sent an agent out to look into this case - and I wanted to be very sure that Capt Wall well understood himself. He said. that some of the statements in the deposition. he kind Capt Wall use more than a year ago. and all was right. I had some deposition parole proof - & a letter signed by 8 or 10. or probably more. of the best citizens of this county. who had kind much about this claim of Capt Wall while they lived in this county. the letter is dated the 27 th of February. Mr James Walland of Garand county. Ky the adjacent county. to this - came to see me during our circuit court. - which commenced the 27 th of February and is now in session. He intermarried with the granddaughter of Mrs. Betty Wall. with whom. Mrs. Betty Wall has lived ever since his marriage he said that he expected shortly, some time this year to move to this county. where Capt Wall had lived for more or quite 35 years. that she would come with him if living. but the old lady was now confined to her bed sick. & from her extreme old age & could not get out of it. without help. that her claim had

Slowly progressed - that some of the witnesses, he had understood had acted badly about three depositions - which he did not blame me for - but very much blamed the witnesses - that he was satisfied they had directed all to be inserted in those depositions that was placed there; that he would be gratified - if I would suffer him to attend to the case - and that I would let him have the proof I had. I did not like to do it - but under all the circumstances - I have thought it right to grant his request - I told him it was true - some of the witnesses had done long to that I should not be blamed for that - it was not my fault - that they had directed every sentiment stated in the depositions to be placed there - but as I had written written to you - that this was a claim that I felt more desirous should be granted than any claim - that I had ever worked in the because I thought the claim a meritorious one - that some of my political enemies, had no doubt used their efforts to disgrace me over it - not persons that knew any thing about the case - not persons - that reside in Rappahannock county - but was  down  about where Mrs. Hall had lived for 35 years or more - but was done by designing bad men - that the Department had done right - that no fault was to be found by the course pursued by the Department - that they had no interest to try to injure me - that I believed if the Department could become satisfied about Mrs. Hall's rights - that the claim would be granted - that

A of the claim was ever granted. It would be more satisfactory to me, than it would be to receive the whole amount of the pension. That the record would be sufficient for me to have that her pension was granted, that I had determined to charge - nothing nor accept any fee or reward in any way. That if he thought he could do more with the claim than I could, I would not object, provided he would pay to Genl. J. M. McCalla his fee in the case - and some others I had promised - he replied that he would if successful - do so, I arranged the papers - at our circuit court and handed them over to him, as requested. I thought it was right for me to advise you - upon the subject - so you may be apprised, that I would freely help Mr Holland in the case, & hoped that he may be successful. all I had on the 27 or 29 last month, written to - Justice Ake, of Benton Missouri, who qualified Capt Hall to his deposition; to answer my letter immediately, - that if there was a possibility, - that Capt John Hall did not fully understand his self, in giving his deposition - to tell me, should Justice Ake chance to thus advise me, that there is a possibility of any wrong in Capt Hall's deposition - in any way. I will immediately remit the letter to you.

If you do not receive any letter from me by the 1 st next month. you may say that all is right . this  is all right am Thoroughly convinced all is right. as Mr. D. Taylor was very particular to me when here that the deposition was correct a few days ago - still thought I would write to Justice Ake. notwithstanding his certificate is strong enough. to the deposition - & I am  am advised the character of the man, the Justice is good - these things are upon the (Squire) strictly true. Mr James Holland is a very clever man. in whom I have the strictest confidence to be a man of truth & veracity. I am Dear Sir Truly your friend Edward Smith

Moses Newcum
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State of Kentucky
County of Rockcastle
Be it known that on this 17 th day of March 1858 before me the foregoing Judge of the county court in and for the county aforesaid personally came Marmaduke Wrenn aged 70 years a resident of the county and state aforesaid & known to me to be respectable and of good mind, who being first sworn according to law upon his oath doth make the following affidavit, says that he was married in Rockcastle County Ky. the year 1814. before the close of the war 1812. and before the date of his marriage. he became personally well acquainted with John Wall Jr. who is the son of Betty Wall, now of Madison County Ky. and the widow of John Wall, decd, who reputation say served in the revolutionary Army in the Northern Line as an officer which affidavit doubts not that at the time of affiant's marriage the said John Wall Jr. the son of the said Betty Wall aforesaid was older than this affiant by some ten years & was so informed by the said John Wall Jr. & Betty Wall aforesaid. which affidavit believes to be true, and the said Betty Wall resided in Rockcastle County Ky. from about the date of the war 1812. until a few years back. that he has heard many aged people say who knew her husband John Wall (decd), that he served as an officer in the N. C. Line in the revolutionary Army. that his services as such was rendered by none. and that her said husband John Wall the officer died in the state of

Tennessee before the war 1812. having Betty Hall his widow who is now a widow & resides in Madison County Kentucky & that John Hall Jr. & James Hall were children of the said Betty Hall & John Hall the affiant, and that all of these said children is now dead were they now alive would be aged people and doubt not the said Betty Hall is over 100 years old, and that he has no interest in this claim.
Moses Newcomb
State of Kentucky Rockcastle County, Set
Sworn to and Subscribed before me by Moses Newcomb according to law. And he signed his foregoing deposition before me understandingly - after the same was drawn up by his own dictation. He is a respectable resident of Rockcastle County Ky. whose oath is entitled to full faith and credit. & I have no interest in this claim nor concerned in its prosecution.
March 17 th 1858
W. H. Kerby County Judge

I am & have been acquainted with the affiant Moses Newcum for upward of 40 years and his oath should be belied upon & respected by all persons March 17. 1858 -
J. Mone
State of Kentucky Pocahonta County
I E. D. Fink, Clerk of the County Court within & for said County, do certify that W. H. Kirsty, is & was at the time of signing his forging Certificate, presiding judge of the County Court in & for said County duly commissioned & sworn according to law, & that his signature thereto is genuine
Given under my hand & seal of office at Mt Vernon 17 th day of March 1858
E. D. Fink Clerk 11

State of Kentucky } County of Madison. }
On this 13 th day of April in the year 1858. Before me a Justice of the peace in and for the county aforesaid, personally appeared, Hitty Hall, from the best information she has is now 105 years old, a resident of the county of Madison in the state of Kentucky, who being first sworn according to law, upon her oath doth make the following affidavit, or declaration as an amendment to her original declaration for a pension. She made from the county of Rockcastle in the state of Kentucky, for the benefit of the pension act of Congress passed 4 th July 1836, 7 th July 1838 or any other act of Congress may be applicable to her claim, now filed in the pension office at Washington city.
That she is the widow of the Deceased John Hall, who was a soldier and Quartermaster in the army of the revolutionary war, that he entered the service in or near Warren County, in the state of North Carolina in the early part of the war, and served several years to or near the close of the revolutionary war 1783, part of the time a private and part of the time a Quartermaster, in the continental line of said state, that he was at the battle of Eutaw Springs, & others not now recollected, under Genl. Morgan Long and others, he said that he knew Col. Ash. & Capt. or Major Blunt, while he was in the service, that Edward Hall a relative of her said husband, he said, he served in the same grade he did, in the N.E. Troops. That she was married to the said John Hall in Pickens District on the Saluda river in the

State of South Carolina on the 15 th of October 1770, by whom she does not recollect, & that her name before her said marriage was Betty Duncan, that she has no private or public family record of her said marriage, or the date of the birth of her children, that she knows of no person now alive by whom she can prove her said marriage by an eye witness, and is informed that no public record was made of her said marriage, that her Husband the said John Hall died in the county of Warren in the State of Tennessee, on the day of March 1810, before the war 1812, that she is now his widow, having never inter-married since his death, that from her extreme old age and in consequence of loss of memory, she cannot state the particulars of her said Husband's service, but refers to the original muster rolls of the continental line of the state of North Carolina, that she was not advised of her rights to a pension or did she know of it, until a very few years before her application was made, that when she was advised of the fact of her rights, she used all diligence she could to put her claim in prosecution, that she does not certainly know whether her said Husband was allowed land for his service, if he was, she is unable now to state what disposition he made of it, that her said Husband possessed property before the and at the commencement of the revolutionary war, and after the war was over, there property being all destroyed by the ravage of the war, being reduced to poverty, and his energies parrallyzed, caused from the hardships he had to undergo, while in the service he accumulated no more property, and he did

in poverty, leaving her a widow, with some children, & has since had to make her support the best she could, with but little aide from any person. That she had by her said husband the following children, viz. John Hall born in the year 177 8 in time of the revolutionary war, who is now dead. James Hall born the year 1790 who is now dead. That her children is all dead. & has but few Grand children now alive, and has made a diligent search to find the hand writs of her said husband. & his papers being all lost. she can find none, that she knows of no person now alive by whom she can prove the service of her said husband by an eye witness, that she is now in her extreme old age in poverty, and flatters herself, the officers of the Government, will extend to her that courtesy, to consider her claim in the light it should be from the proof in the cause, & she will thereby be content, with their calm and impartial judgment. That she knows her claim to be just. that she is well aware unless she obtains something shortly, that she cannot expect to enjoy any benefit therefrom, that her extreme old age will not admit of her thinking otherwise, as all persons has once to dye, and her time cannot be fair distant, and that she is now a widow, and respectfully refers to her original application for a pension and all the papers therein filed at Washington D.C., and to the N.C. records, as aforesaid, and to the proof hereto annexed, do hereby irrevocably constitute and appoint, John S Edward of Washington city my true and lawful attorney, for me and in my name, to prose-

ecute my claim, and receive the certificate may be issued to me by the Government hereby revoking any other authority in the premises.
Hetty Hall month
We James James Holland and Green Holland, residents of Madison County Kentucky, upon our oaths declare, that the foregoing declaration was signed by Mrs. Hetty Hall in our presence, and acknowledged and that we believe from the appearance & statements of the applicant, that she is the identical person she represents herself to be, and that she is still a widow, and resides in Madison County Kentucky, and we believe her to be of the age she states and her statements to be true, and is in interested witnesses.
James Holland Red G. Holland. Red
The foregoing declaration and affidavit were sworn to and subscribed before me on the day and year first above mentioned written, & I certify that I know the affiants to be credible persons, that the claimant is the person she represents herself to be and that she is still a widow, and she is from age and bodily infirmity unable to appear in open court, and I believe her to be of the age she states, and her statements to be true, & I have no interest in this claim nor concerned in its prosecution. The blots in the names of James and Green Holland, were made before signed, & in date 17/5. Elijah B Hudson J. P.

Thomas Becknell
No 10

State of Ky County of Madison } Be it known that on this 13 day of April 1838
Before me a justice of the peace in and for said county authorized by law to administer oaths personally appeared Thomas Becknel a resident Revolutionary pensioner of the county of Jackson in the state of Kentucky lately made, & he was formerly of Madison County Ky Born on the 12 day of March 1763 who being first sworn & bonding to law, upon his oath doth make the following affidavit, states that he was a soldier in the Revolutionary war from Wilks County north Carolina under Capt Lewis & Col Cleveland part of the year 1780, and that he is now a pensioner of the U.S. on Kentucky agency on account of said service under act of Congress passed 7 June 1832, that in time of the Revolutionary war he was personally acquainted with John Hall deceased, who was formerly of Warren County north Carolina & at his death was late of Warren County Tennessee & he now knows that the said John Hall was a Quartermaster the greater portion of his time in the north Carolina Continental Line in the Revolutionary army, that he use in time of the old war come into affiant's county Wilks north Carolina discharging the duties of his office purchasing stock & necessaries for the army, and

affiant became well acquainted with him & Remembers him well & knows that the said Quartermaster John Hall deceased & Betty Hall his wife lived together as husband & wife in time of the Revolutionary war and before the Battle of Kings mountain in 1780. that they were regarded by their neighbors where they lived as husband & wife & before that he quit the service, & their marriage was not questioned or doubted & the said Betty Hall is now the widow of said Quartermaster John Hall deceased & she resides in Madison County Kentucky & is doubtless over one hundred years old & that he has no interest in this Claim.
his Thomas Becknel mark
State of Kentucky } County of Madison }
on this 13 day of April 1858 before me a justice of the peace in & for said County, personally came the above mentioned Thomas Becknel a Revolutionary pensioner of Jackson County Ky Stateley made & made oath to his foregoing affidavit a conditg to law understandingly & signed the same in my presence by making his mark after the same was read to him & I believe him to be of the age he states & his statements to be true & his oath is intitled to full faith & credit & his of deposing memory though now very old & I further certify that his foregoing deposition was drawn up by me in my own proper hand & write, & from the dictation of the said pensioner Thomas Becknel before said & I have no interest in this Claim nor

Concerned in its prosecution. The words (according to Law understandingly) was interlined in my Certificate before signed by me
Elijah T Hudson Esq. 10 for Madison County Ky
State of Kentucky. Madison County set.
I Thomas H Barnes, Clerk of the County Court within and for the County and State aforesaid, certify that Elijah T. Hudson Esq. whose genuine signature appears to the above certificate, is and was at the time of signing the same, a Justice of the Peace in and for said County, duly Commissioned and sworn according to law.
Given under my hand and the seal of said County Court, at office, this 17 day of April 1858.
Thos H Barnes Clerk
James Smith not related

I filed additional evidence a few days ago in the case of Betty Hall widow of John Hall of Kentucky & omitted to put all the papers in the case, you will please put the enclosed with them & act as soon as possible upon the case as you will see from the papers that the widow is upwards of one hundred years old
John G. Edwards
May 6 1858
Mr Boyington

add evidence Hetty Hall widow of John Hall for Rev Pension Kentucky suspended file 1836 claimant upwards 100 years old please give it prompt attention
filed by John S Edwards May 3 1858

Washington D.C.
May 3 1858
Sir
Enclosed I send you the amended declaration of Betty Hall widow of John Hall for Rev. Pension with the affidavit of Thomas Becknel a Revolutionary soldier proving identity &c with the certificate of Rufus H Page Secy of State of N Carolina proving marriage of John Hall, as the widow is upwards of one hundred years of age - you will please give this case your earliest attention
Respectfully John S'Edwards
Geo C Whiting Esq Commr of Pensions

Washington D.C.
June 16 1858
To the Comr of Pensions
Hon John A. Moore who has made an affidavit in the case of Nelly Hall widow of John Hall for Revo- lutionary Pension. I know well - he was a competitor of mine at the last election for a seat in Congress - he is a man of high character & standing & full credit can be placed in any statement he may make.
J. M. Elliott

Secretary's Office Raleigh May 26 th 1858.
M. S. Miller Esq:-
Dear Sir.
Your letters of the 19 th instant. covering $1. with copies of certificates and forms of certificates has been received. I regret that it is out of my power to give you any further evidence in relation to the services and pay of John Hall A.D. 2 nd M c . having done so heretofore as fully as the records of this office will admit of - The first certificate I sent you was made from the Muster Rolls of the continental line & the second was made from a printed book of settlements of Army accounts - The amounts opposite each name are given as a total amount paid each person without designating what it was paid for farther than as a settlement of Army accounts -
The Comptroller of this State, Mr. C. H. Brogden has all the record evidence of payment to the soldiers of the Revolutionary war. It is likely if you make application to him, he can furnish the evidence you desire - I think his fee is $5. in advance -
Very respectfully Rufus H. Page Secretary of State

State of Kentucky
County of Rockcastle
Be it known that on this 5 th day of June 1858 before me the presiding Judge of the county court in and for the county aforesaid, personally appeared Hon. John A Moore aged 52 years resident of said county, who being first sworn according to law upon his death doth make the following affidavit, states that he has resided in said county for or near the last 50 years, and a first became per- sonally acquainted with Mrs. Nelly Wall, now of Madi- son county Kentucky, & widow of John Wall deceased, soon after the year 1812, and while applicant was writing in the clerk's office of this county about the year 1831. The said Nelly Wall made appl- ication to applicant to know if she was or not entitled to a pension under the then late act of Congress. I informed her the act of 1818 did not apply to widows, she then said her husband John Wall had served on an officer in the old war in the revolutionary army in the state of North Carolina, and such was the prevailing sentiments among the aged people at that day of this place, any number of whom could and would have said the same thing if said he, especially in regard to the service of her hus- band the said John Wall in the North Carolina Line in the revolutionary army as aforesaid. I can further state that I am informed the said Nelly Wall is now an applicant for a pension from Kentucky.

under act of Congress of the 4 th July 1836. July 7 th 1838. That from what I have repeatedly since discovered of the service of her husband - the said John Hall in the old war. That I have no doubt about the legitimacy of her claim & that it ought to be granted. The said Kitty Hall was a resident of Rockcastle county Kentucky for many years. & I am a disinterested witness.
State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle.
J. Moore
Sworn to and subscribed before me by Hon. John A. Moore on the day and year first above written. & I know the affiant to be a person of high respectability whose oath is entitled to full faith and credit. & I have no interest in this claim nor endeavor in its prosecution.
W. H. Kirby County Judge
J. A. Moore
State of Kentucky Rockcastle County
I C. J. Fish Clerk of the county court in and for the county & state aforesaid do hereby certify that W. H. Kirby whose name is subscribed to the above certificate is and was at the time of signing the same a standing judge of the county court in & for said county duly commissioned and sworn according to law & that his signature thereto is genuine. I further certify that I am personally acquainted with the affiant the Hon. J. A. Moore & know him to be a man of respectability whose oath is entitled to full faith & credit.
Given under my hand and seal of office at Mt Vernon this 1 st day of June 1858. C. J. Fish Clerk Rockcastle county court

H R Washington city June 7. 1858
Sir I wish to know the grounds upon which your department refused a pension to Nelly Hall widow of John Hall she made her application under act of July 4. 1836. from Madison County Kentucky in the year 1853 as she informs me.
Please answer before Thursday as I leave here that day
Your obedient
J. M. Elliott

Washington D.C.
Aug 12, 1858
Sir
Enclosed I send you additional evidence in the case of Betty Hall widow of John Hall of Kentucky for Revolutionary Pension, containing a certificate of character in favor of Her John A Moore from the Present Member of Congress - also from Rufus H Page Secy of State of North Carolina a letter stating that the certificate of union which he saw is now filed with the papers in the case shows that the first certificate of the union of John Hall & D M was made from the Muster rolls of the Continental Line The Comptroller of the State of North Carolina has been written to & the amount of the usual fee sent to him, to ascertain for what particular service the payments were made, but we can hear nothing from him, The widow being nearly 100 years old, it is necessary if she sets anything, that prompt action should be had in the case. Rufus H Page's letter states that no certificate which he saw was taken from

Muster rolls of the Continental line, which certainly is enough to show at least six months service to bring the case within the provisions of the law
Respectfully &c. John S. Edwards
Geo. C. Whiting Esq. Counsel of Pleas

State of North Carolina Comptroller's Department
I C. H. Brogden, Comptroller of Public Accounts in and for the State aforesaid, do hereby certify that it appears of Record in my office among the allowances made by said State to sundry persons for Military services in the Revolutionary War as follows.
John Hall A. D. L. M. Halifax District Book No. 10 Page 18 £ 419 16 8 7 3/4
Allowed by H. Montfort August 1 st 1783
Book A. M. No. 15 Page 49 £ 419 16 8 7
Allowed by Nicholas Long (commissioner)
Book No 30 Page 17 £ 1119 10 8 11
Allowed by Nicholas Long " "
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my Seal of Office in the city of Raleigh, this 27th day of August, A. D. 1858.
C. H. Brogden, Comptroller N. C.

add evidence Nitty Hall widow of John Hall for Rev Purvis Kentucky respondent file 1836
filed by John G. Edwards

Washington D.C., Sept r 24 1858
Sir
Enclosed I send you the certificate of the Comptroller of North Carolina, to prove the service of John Hall A & 2 M in the Revolutionary war. The widow being upwards of 90 years of age, I ask your early attention to this case
Respectfully John S. Edwards
Geo C Whiting Esq Clerk of Pensions

Hetty Hall
wid
Lohn
17 Dec - 1856

Mt Vernon Rockcastle County Kentucky, 2 d Decr 1858.
Hon. Commissioner of Pensions Washington D C
Dear sir
Supposing the claim of Mrs. Betty Hall widow of John Hall deceased, for a pension, was not examined by you, I have concluded to write, and request you to do Mrs. Hall the favour to examine her papers in person, I advised her, that you would do for her what was just and right, and permit me to make the following statement,
Mrs. Betty Hall of Madison county Kentucky, made her application for a pension from Kentucky, under the Act of Congress approved 4 th July 1836. July 7 th 1838. as the widow of John Hall deceased, she alleged. That she was married to John Hall in South Carolina on or about the year 1770. that her husband entered the service in the revolutionary war, from Warren County, in the state of, North Carolina, on or about the beginning of the war & served several years as a soldier and Quarter master to or near the close of the war, now to establish her claim, she must prove the fact of her marriage or that she was so regarded had children together &c. and the service of her husband identity &c. In my judgment all these points are fully established, see Thomas Becknel deposition which proves service, his deposition being drawn up, by the Justice, from the dictation of the affiant. Becknel, and every word uttered by him there can be no doubt is strictly true, he will know about what he stated; he has a good mind for a man of his age, & is of high respectability

& his statement no man whose name he is known, would question or doubt, and the numerous depositions filed in the case, parole proof as to marriage and service, backed by strong recommendations by persons known to the Department, is certainly entitled to great weight, in behalf of the claim of the widow, the ages of her children being given by her, in her declaration for bounty land, if Mr. J. S. Edwards of Washington has filed it, and these ages strongly proven up by persons who knew them well at an early day, James Hall her son was a soldier in the war 1812, he was in the battle of New Orleans, he is now dead, & his wife obtained a bounty land warrant under act 1850, or 1855, on account of said service. Upon her application from Kentucky, his widow is now dead. These are facts, not proven in the application of the widow for the pension, but nevertheless they are true, the record at Washington will show the fact, that the widow of James Hall received the bounty land warrant, and it could be clearly proven by at least 15-aged persons, that James Hall, was over 22, years old when he joined the army, or in the war 1812. This fact could not successfully be contradicted, that James Hall was born, before 1794, besides the abundance of proof, as to the age of John Hall her son, by aged persons, there can be no doubt of the marriage of J. D. M. John Hall, (deceased) and Betty Hall his wife from the proof in the cause, at least before 1 st January 1794 if any doubt could exist, of the marriage before the commencement of the old war, and their marriage certainly took place before the commencement of the revolution, the evidence in the cause

certainly ought to be both, Caroline, of these marriage before the war, and that John Hall her husband rendered the service, at least that they were married before the 1 st day of January 1794. Being satisfied that no more record proof can be had in North Carolina, the Comptroller has shown that A.D. 2 M. John Hall, was paid three payments, in the Halifax District, of which Warren County formed a part, the three payments, amounting in the whole to 1959 pounds, and I conceive that the whole payments were made to John Hall for his services in the Revolutionary war, the Arithmetic, to which you are referred, shows that one pound in N. Carolina 1786, was just worth 15/ = if that be true, the 1959 pounds, in specie in 1786 would foot up the amount in dollars $4887. you will find by reference to Trapsits pension laws, the two acts were passed - under which, A.D. 2 M. John Hall was paid for his services, as follows viz.
Acts of Congress.
Quarters Master Genl. pay per month. $80. June 16 th 1775.
Deputy do " " " " 40
In New Department as I make it war,
Deputy 2 d Master Genl. " " $60. April 11 th 1777
Now admitting that John Hall commenced the service in 1775, at the date of the first act at $40 per month to the date of the 2 d act, is
22. months. amounting to $880.
from the 11 th April 1777. to Nov 1782. is
5 years 6 months & about one half month.
at $40. per month making his pay at $3990/4870. After calculating his pay for the time he must have

served. only leaves $10. for disbursement. & there can be no doubt. he received every dollar for service. in my humble judgment. & you said to, that the amount paid for the time he served show that all his service to entitle him the amount paid. is from the commencement of the revolution & terminated before it ended. how can there be a doubt about the service being sufficient to allow some pension. there is certainly. a certainty. that he served six months. and in my judgment. that he was paid. & served through the whole war, in this I have no doubt. The claim is certainly. clearly estab- =lished, the application of Mrs. Betty Hall for bounty land is filed by Mr. Edwards. will clearly show. about the destruction of her husband's. John Hall. revolutionary papers. that they were all destroyed at the burning of her house. about 40 years. ago which she said she had many papers at that time relating to the service of her husband, in the revolutionary army. John Hall died about 48 years ago in Warren County Tennessee which is a long time ago. it could hardly be expected. that an old woman. would take care of papers so long as 48 years. even if they were not burned up. by misfortune. this is a very hard case on this poor old lady. she is now in poverty worn down. by over 105 years. still she states that she hopes yet to live to enjoy some benefit arising from the service of her husband. in the old war. in maintaining. the liberties of our country we are now at ease under. nevertheless her outman-

Old age.
You will very much oblige Mrs. Betty Hall, if you will take up the paper in person & examine them, again even if you have once examined them. I hope you will accommodate her. Mr. J. S. Edwards is the Agent in the case at Washington.
Yours Smith Agent.
I will make one other expression, on behalf of Mrs. Betty Hall, it is evident, unless her claim is granted shortly, she can enjoy no benefits therefrom, the course of nature, explains that point fully, from her extreme old age. The country where Mrs. Betty Hall resides in, say, that the claim is just and ought to be granted, public sentiments is altogether in her favour, the proof in the cause is strong, & is certainly conclusive as her rights to the pension, & for her to fail to attain her pension, it would be one of the great misfortunes. I would risk my honor & my all upon the Justness of this claim, & taking all and every thing together in connection with this case. I cannot see no cause now to deprive this poor old Lady, of her money. I will here state that if I have said things that I ought not to have said, I hope you will pardon me, I am so much roused up in the Justness of this claim, I can but express my sentiments as to her rights in its fullest terms - it being the last one I ever expect to prosecute, for Revolutionary service. Truly Yours J. Smith

Mr L S Edwards Washington D C
Mt Vernon Kentucky Nov 1 st 1858
Dear Sir
I understand from you, that it is denied by the Commissioner of Pensions, that A D I Mr. John Hall, was paid all the payments shown by the Comptroller, for his Military Service in the revolutionary war. I understand that John Hall received three payments, and the date of the payments only appear in one place viz.
John Hall A D I M ty was paid £419. 16. 7 1/2 Aug 31 st 1783. Again, £419. 16 7 1/2 again £419. 16 11. amounting in the whole to 1959 pounds or thereabout. I am reliably informed that North Carolina currency at the date of the payments, was worth in specie $3.50, cents or 15/- to the pound: this I presume the commissioner knew. If that be true & no doubt is the amount in specie paid to John Hall in N C currency, would be $11897.00 In Griffiths pension laws, page 74. it is to be found that the following acts were passed. viz -
Quarter Master (General) pay per month $80 - June 16-1775.
Deputy do " " " " $40 - " " "
Do, In New Department " " " " $60 - April 1 st 1777.
Sp. A D I Mr John Hall entered the service 16 th June 1775 - he served under first act. at
$40 pr month. for one year 10 months. to April 1777. date of the 2 d act. making his pay
at that date . . . . . $880.00
Then he would be paid $60 per month from the date of the second act making $720 a year, for 5 years - 6 months & 28 days ending to Nov 1782. Calculating 30 days to the month which is reasonable which amounts to the sum of $4016-
Calculating the allowances made to him for the } $4896

Time he served - the 1959 pound to be worth in Africa, at the date of the payments, at 45/- per pound, would be £4 897. - calculating his allowance under the first act at £40 per month, and under the last act at £60 per month, he would have to serve seven years 5 months 10 days in all to make £4 896. - The calculation of his service as you see it, is within the period of the revolu- tion, it shows clearly - the payments were all made to him for the time he served, without an dollar being deliberately or suggested by the commissioner. & I can but think if the commissioner will refer to the 2 acts and make the calculation, the allowance under them, to which John Hall was entitled, he will be con- vinced that I am correct, that he receives the whole of the pay for his service. This poor old Lady is clearly entitled to her pension - & you are well aware. The payments made to him appear in the Halifax District - & Warren county. The identical county from which he returned the service - formed part of the District, referred to - connecting the whole case - the record, & the proof - it is beyond question. That Miss Betty Hall is entitled to the pension, I would much regret to lose this case, the rights of the widow should be protected. I have never said any para speak of Miss Hall's claim but say - she ought to be paid that the claim is just. The reputation of the widow and taking the whole case in connection, I am sure it is right. & I can but think if the commissioner will re-examine the case, he will come to the same conclusion.
I sent you a paper this mail. you can see how things is moving in this section.

Should you come to the conclusion to present this to the commission of persons, in the case you can do so.
The record of N. E. Shaw there was Art. D Q Master, which is conclusive on that point, nevertheless I doubt not it is nothing more or less than D. Q. M.
I am Truly your friend
Alfred Smith
Miss Hall is now over 105 years old - she people is often taken off suddenly. She much desires to live - to enjoy the benefits of the services of her husband that he rendered in the old war - that he so greatly aided in obtaining the liberties we now enjoy
A. Smith
I hope if you conclude to present the foregoing calcul- ation to the Hon. Commission, for his consideration, that he will duly consider it.
A. Smith

Mt Vernon Rockville
Hon. Commissioner of Pensions.
County Ky Decr 7 th 1858
Washington D.C.
Dear sir
I find in making my statements in my letter to you last mail, in relation to the pay and service of A D L John Hall, that I made a small mistake as to the value of the No. of shillings in a pound in N.E. I find Mr. Ray in his Arithmatic on page 272. the following remarks, is made by him.
Previous to the adoption of Federal money in 1786. accounts in the united states were kept in pounds shillings pence and farthings owing to the circumstance that the colonies had issued bills of credit and that these had all appreciated more or less. the value of a Colonial pound was less than that of a pound sterling the appreciation being greater in some of the colonies than in others gave rise to the different state currencies thus,
In New England V.A. Ky & Tenn. 6 S. or £ 3 / 10 = $1.
In New York Ohio, & N. Carolina, 8 S. or £ 2 / 5 = $1.
It seems that in N.E. in 1786. it took 20 shillings to make one pound. being 8 shillings in the dollar only makes 2.50 cents to the pound. so the pay

to A D I M John Hall. is the same that I stated in my letter referred to. as there was in 1786. $250 cents to the pound. please file this with my statement in the case. remitted to you last mail
I am Dear sir
Truly Yours &c
Alfred Smith
Agent for Miss Mary Hall

Washington D.C. Dec 29 th 1858
Sir
You informed me verbally yesterday, that you have the claim of Betty widow of John Hall of Ky for Revolutionary Pension upon your table for personal examination. I recd by this Mornings Mail a certificate from the Comptroller of N. Carolina of the service of John Hall in the Halifax Dist of which the County of Warren formed a part, the place where the husband of Betty lived during the Revolution.
Respectfully yours John S. Edwards
George C. Whiting Esq
Court of Pensions
Washington
D.C.

State of North Carolina Comptroller's Department
I, C. H. Brogden, Comptroller of Public Accounts in and for the State aforesaid, do hereby certify, that it appears of Record in my office among the allowances made by said State to sundry persons for Military Services in the Revolutionary War as follows:
John Hall. A. D. L. M.
Book of settlements No. 30 Page 17.
Halifax District, 1783-4
x £ 1119 " 10 " 11. amount of accounts.
£ 279 " 17 " 8. amount paid in cash.
£ 839 " 13 " 3 amount of Certificates.
x £ 1119.10.11
The above payments or allowances were made to John Hall in the Halifax District; of which the County of Warren formed a part.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal of office in the city of Raleigh this 14 th day of Dec. A. D. 1858
C. H. Brogden, Comptroller N. 6.
419.16.7 1/2 419.16.7 1/2 839.13.3 = 839.13.3 279.17.8 1119.10.11
These are all the items in the two certificates D c

Washington Decem 3 rd 1865
Dear J Minot Sir
Enclosed you will find the application of Mrs. Huldah Hale widow of John, of Ky. for the benefits of the act of 4 July, 1836.
Mrs. Hale claims for service in the North Carolina line as a Quarters Master. I have written to that State for evidence of her husband's service. Should any be found I will file it so soon as received.
No record proof of the marriage it appears can be found. The laws of South Carolina in which State she was married, does not require a record of marriage to be kept and the old lady who is upwards of 100 years old, says she has no family records showing the date of that event. The statements of the witnesses show that these parties were married before the commencement of the Revolutionary War. Very Respectfully Yours Obediently Geo. C. Adams

Pickens C.H. S.C. 8 th May 1853
Sir
In answer to your letter of Inquiry, I must say to you that we have no Records of Marriages kept in our State, there is no law requiring persons to get License to Marry, when ever the parties make up a match they go to a Not. Pub. or a Magistrate or any stamp of a preacher, and marry and there is no more to do or say about. I am certain not more than one tenth man can prove their marriage
I am with true regard your Ob t Servt. &c. James S. Fish Esq. Wm. L. Keitt. Clk

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Gabbert — from resided in Shenandoah during revo n in '81. 1 tour 3 m to Dis d Swamps & N.C. " " 1 " 3 " " Yorktown
Jno Forbis Ky Meary Feb 53. No 3822. Enlisted in Burke Co At d on Catawba in 15 mos '80 & '81 - at Kings M n & Eutaw Sp. 10 mos Cav Ser d
John Baker Ky 32 - 7338 — from Chesterfield Co No mil a — on James River & at Yorktown
Thos Becknel — Ky 32 - 7614 — from Wilkes Co At d Kings M n &c 7 mos to March '81.
James Long St Col And w Long Mag Tynnell Co At d . 76 — Wheeler's 81
John Hall Vol 4 p 127. No 91.129. $84 30/90 to Nov 15 th 1783 — Corporal Does not appear before 83 — 88 11 1/2 mos 89 This shows 1 mo extra pay

Respectfully referred to the Com. on Pensions November 14, 1860
Rhody Mt Vernon Kentucky 9 th Nov 1860
Dear Sir
The Election for President of the United States now being over - the uproar and confusion North and South, will for a while become calm, and the victors satisfied. This little county having given upward of 1000 votes more for Mr Breckinridge the Democratic candidate, than any Democrat ever before obtained in the county, it having always been largely whig & American, nothing has been left undone, to increase the Democratic vote in this county, and to day, I am as confident that Breckinridge & Lane has carried the State of Kentucky, notwithstanding the hundred of hoppers who belong to the Bell party, cried aloud in every direction that Dugless, was the returning man, in Ky, that Breckinridge was not in the race, and I would not be surprised if Breckinridge carries near every Southern State, & if the North has done her duty, he is the next President of the United States. Dugless, is out of the race in the South, I cannot think that he has received any votes to defeat, Breckinridge in any State South, unless it is the State of Missouri.
6. After the examination of the Mrs. Betty Hall case Genl. McCalla addressed me a note that he had called at the office and found that her claim was found to be suspended or rejected, that new evidence was exacted, of marriage and service of her husband Quarter Master John Hall (decd), so many of  flying reports being afloat in Madison County Ky, as to the result of your examination into her case - I thought if all be correct, rather than I should be the weight of a feather in the way of the admission of the claim that I would give way

as an agent in the prosecution of her claim - nevertheless I had full confidence in the Justness of her claim against the Government - that it ought & would if she lived finally be granted - but from the solicitation of Genl. McCalla in his letter to Mr. Holland - who has petitioned as next friend of Mrs. Betty Hall - I again consented to assist her - in the case without hope of fee or reward in the premises - believing as I do that the claim is Just - and ought to be granted - nevertheless some of the harpers who love to prejudice all such claims - & whom I conceive to be my political enemies in Madison County - used their exertions there to prejudice and defeat her Just rights - and I have  ever since by persons to - that it is impossible for them to know any thing about her case - only that she is a very poor old woman - principally in the aid - that nearly all the Revolutionary widows are and has been in before their pensions were granted to them - and why is there trouble some one of Madison so inclined against her - she had not resided in Madison County long enough for any person to form a notion as to the validity of her claim whether it be Just or not - Still some if I am correctly advised took the liberty to try & discredit the claim - the course is all wrong - Very many officers and soldiers of the Revolution - you are aware died in occupation & poverty - leaving their wives poor - when it is never expected that the widows are calculated to better their condition after the death of their husbands - why is it possible that Mrs. Hall's claim is not Just - and ought to be granted - poverty is no excuse, to discredit the claim - she resides in this County - from the war 1812

up to near the time she first made her application for the pension - where her neighbors testified some of them - Mr Mullins - W m Mullins, L D Mullins, Wmly Owens, & others. Moses Stur - etc. - being recommended by Jonathan Spencer. Also of this place - all but his  Jonathan Moses Stur - to be persons of respectability - & entitled to credit. He is known to the pension office - Moses Stur & E Smith - is recommended by others. & so is James Lemmons - all parole proof - as to their acquaintance with him. Nelly Hall was sure she came to this country that her husband John Hall was supposed to have been an officer & Quarters Master in the Revolution in N.C. She said so in 1822. To John H Moore & Col E Smith. others who did know of her husband's Service - she stated it to Col E Smith - and after the execution  discovery of the Disposition of Thomas Brantley. Polly Mullins, & Green Baker - as requested by James Holland in his petition as next friend. to be excluded from here comes the deposition of Capt John Hall of Iron Co Missouri, who proves the fact of her husband's service as Quarters Master in N.C. & went on to say, on one occasion - while he was at the house of Quarters Master John Hall about the time of the Battle of Guilford C.N. I believe - in 1781 - he saw a young child - he sup- posed were there. She often called his wife's name Nelly - that afterwards the war  after Quarters Master John Hall moved to Warren Co Tenn. & invited him to pay him a visit. I am advised that Captain John Hall's name is upon the N.C. records & the Comptroller's certificates is filed in his application for a pension - that his character is proven not to be questioned - it does seem to me with all

The proof filed in the case besides after excluding the deposition asked to be excluded. the claim is certainly sufficiently made out to be — Granted under some act. it is true Becknell Polly Miller & Gen Baker for what I learn has acted badly. nevertheless. There is not a sentence inserted in the Deposition of Becknell nor Polly Miller. but what they authorized and as to Baker I was not present as Green v Holland attended to the taking of it himself. but I don't not — he authorized it & sanctioned all that was inserted. I had understood what Baker knew about the case. and drew up the deposition & remitted it to Green & Holland. & directed him to make such charges as Baker directed. & the deposition came back sworn. to. & I was certain all was right. & remitted it. These deposition are asked to be excluded from the case. and rely upon the balance of the proof filed. and with all the parole proof in the case. the record filed. At least Joh. Hall has sworn the truth. His statements must  some certainly be correct. It is certainly just and right to grant the claim, under some act. if only under the last act of Congress. also the letter with several names of the most prominent citizens of this county. among the balance of the names is — Jonathan at  now  at Law of this who has done more for the Democratic party here than any other place. who stated their information from reputation as to the rights of Mrs Hall (public sentiments in this county where she lived for more than 35 years. should weigh much. to subside the prejudice in the case if any there be. It certainly cannot be denied. as to her being sufficiently old — to She stole. That point is certainly not controverted. & I hope that you will reconsider the claim. H.A.

look carefully into all the proof filed. except that portion excepted to - by Mr. Davis, & I hold her next friend - and I can but think that you will grant to this poor old woman what is Just & Right - She is yet alive - I presume that when you saw Mr. Hall that you were satisfied that she had her heart in a fall. that came near killing her. the cause of which she lost entirely her mind. so that she could give you no Satisfaction worth notice about her claim - when at the time her Grand Daughter has to answer answer the question prepared - which I learn seemed satisfactory to you - if that be true I cannot conjecture how she could have con- answered the question all satisfactory - unless it was from her hearing her Grandmother Betty Hall talk much about her husband Service. in the old war - otherwise she could not have answered them, in my opinion about it. I can here pledge my self - that if I could for the first time - think the claim not right - I would forthwith abandon it. & never again at raise my voice in its favor, but thinking as I do with the evidence to sustain the case - that I believe to be correct. I can but think the claim a meritorious one, & ought to be granted - Mr. Hall is now  107 years old One hundred and seven years old - from his statements when his mind seemed seemed tolerably good - which I believe to be true. She certainly cannot live much longer - & I am well aware that you will do Justice

to her claim. I have heard of two old persons. that I suppose ought to know much about Mrs. Betty Hall & her husband Quarter Master Ish Hall. that I am trying to get their deposition if they know anything about it. that being doubtful - I have concluded to appeal to your Generosity to carefully reexamine the claim & confer with Genl McCall. upon your action in the premises I do not expect to ever find any more proof in the case to the point. unless the two persons suggested above may know something about it. consequently I have thought proper to adopt this course - nevertheless. it is no matter how much or little may be granted to Mrs. Betty Hall. I never expect to receive one cent of it. If the claim can be granted in any shape no matter under what act of Congress - it will be sufficient pay for my services - to only know that the claim has been granted.
I hope that this lengthy communication will not deter you from its examination & give to it that merit it deserves.
I am Dear Sir Truly your friend Alfred Smith
Hon. Mr. Lettis clerk Pension office. Washington D C

Session Office, March 31, 1860.
Morgan in 1780 returned home sick to Va. from the North.
See 430
Did not reach the North (after being Col. Brig Genl) till after the battle of Camden.
ibid commanded under Smallwood "The Light Troops"
ibid June 16. 1780 ordered south 3 d vol 466 — Congress Proceedings
— Cowpens 17 th Jan 1781 — Jan 31 Greene (personally) joins Morgan.
Greene reached Guilford Court house 7 th Feb. 81. When Morgan left — returned beyond the Dan, and afterwards returned and the battle occurred on the 15 th March 1781
Long was a commissioned General and not a Major Martin at all —

M o . In M c Calla Atto. for James Holland
March 26 1860
Power of Atto. enclosed

Washington March 26 1860
To Commissioner of Pensions Sir.
I enclose here with a renewed application for a revolutionary pension for Mrs Betty Hall made by James Holland as her next friend, together with additional testimony in support of her case. As the office has had a free investigation into the claim, and rejected it as being unsupported by proper proof, I would respectfully refer you to the accompanying deposition of John Hall, a namesake and relative of the claimants husband, as conclusive on the most important points in the case, if he is worthy of credit. Should any doubt exist on that subject, I hope to be able to show that he is fully entitled to credit, both from his own character, and from his means of knowing specifically the facts on which he testifies.
The character also of the memorialist, Mr Holland, is shown to be unexceptionable, and under the new circumstances of the case, I hope it may favorably impress your mind - I would respectfully request a speedy examination as practicable.
Respy Yr ob d!
J. M. McCalla
atto. for Holland

Hetty Hall - widow of Mr Hall Resolution - - any pension claim? Memorial of James Holland - next of kin
State of Kentucky Rockcastle Circuit Court 4 th day Feby Term 1860
Present Hon'd G P and Judge It is ordered to be certified that James Holland
Mr M McCalla attorney

February. Term 1860
State of Kentucky. Rockcastle Circuit Court On this 1 st day of March in the year 1860 Before the Judge of the Rockcastle circuit court in open court, personally appeared James Holland aged 30 years a resident of the county of Garrard in the state of Kentucky who being first sworn, on the law doth, upon his oath doth make the following amended declaration as an amend- ment. As the next friend and relation of Mrs. Betty Wall for a revolutionary pension who made her application from Kentucky, to pension office at Washington City, for the benefit of the pension act of January, approved 4 th July 1836. 7 th July 1838 or any other act of legislature may be applicable to her claim.
Declares that he intermarried with the grand- daughter of the said Betty Wall. With her she has resided since the date of his marriage, and the said Betty Wall has ever since I came into the family. Said that her husband John Wall died, entered the service in the Revolutionary army from the county of Warren in the state of Northcar- olina on or about the beginning of the Revolutionary war as private and seems to or near the close of the Revolutionary army in the North Carolina continental line as Quarter Master under Genl Morgan Long & others that she had one child born in 1776 & one in 1790 that her said husband John Wall died in the county of Warren in the state of Tennessee before the war 1812 that she then moved to Ky and settled in Rock- castle county and resided there for many years until a few years back moved to Madison county Ky where she resided until she moved to Garrard county Ky where she now resides and further

and are. That the said Betty Hall is now confined to her bed - on account of sickness & old age. That her mind is so - that she is not capable of making an amended declaration. and under this to attend to her business - and respectfully refers to her former applications for a pension. for it was filed at Pension Office at Washington City. Together with all the proof filed therein. except the depositions of Thomas Becknell, Polly Miller, & Green Baker. That I will exclude from the case - as I understand some. misstatements was made by them to the Government Agent in 1859. refers to the deposition of Spencer Mullins and all the balance the proof in the case. except the three depositions excepted to. also refers to all the proof hereto annexed - marked A. B. C. D. E. and letter. dated the 27 th ultimo. which is respectfully submitted - as I expect to move to Rockheart the county. this year. and Miss Betty Hall will state - live with me. if she is living. I considered it better - and more convenient to qualify to my amended declaration - in this county than in Samson county.
Witnesses H B Linnville D. G. G. G.
James Holland
We the below and H B Linnville residents of Rockheart county by upon our oaths declare that the foregoing declaration was signed and acknowledged by James Holland in our presence and that we believe from the appearance and statements of the applicant that he is the identical person he represents himself to be on the day of his date in open court
H B Linnville D. G. G. G.

The foregoing declaration and affidavit were sworn to and subscribed before me, in open court, held in and for Rockcastle County, Ky. on the day above written, and I know the affiant to be a credible person, that the claimant is the person he represents, himself to be, and that I have no interest in said claim in any way. The word, Line as Master, was interlined before signed. Grossville Road
State Of Kentucky Rockcastle Circuit Court
February Term 1860
I E T Fish clerk of the circuit court in and for the county and circuit aforesaid certify that James Holland the above named personally appeared in open court held in and for the county and circuit aforesaid on this day and made oath before the Hon Judge G Pearl presiding as the law directs that his statements in the foregoing declaration is true and his said signature thereto is genuine and the Hon G Pearl is Judge of the circuit court aforesaid duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs and the foregoing declaration was approved of by the court and ordered to be certified to Hon Commissioner of pensions at Washington City and his signature above is genuine
In testimony whereof I have hereunto affixed the seal of the circuit aforesaid and signed my name as clerk of said court This 1 st day of March 1860
E T Fish, Clerk Rockcastle Circuit Court

Hetty Hall - widow of John Hall - Residution - any pension claim? Memorial of James Holland - next friend
Mr. McCalla attorney
State of Kentucky
Rockcastle Circuit Court 4 th day Feby Term 1860
Present Hon'd G. P. and J. J. J. P. It is ordered to be certified that James Holland personally appeared in Open court held in and for the Circuit aforesaid on this day and was sworn by the court to his amended declaration to the declaration of Mrs. Hetty Hall for a Revolutionary Pension as the widow of Quarter Master John Hall of the N. C. line in the Revolutionary army which was approved by the court also the depositions of Wesley Owens Esq. Mr Mullins Capt John Road D r Mullins L. D. Mullins and a letter dated 27 th Feby 1860 signed by persons also a copy of Comptroller Certificate N. C. dated Dec. 1858 the original being represented to be on file at pension office at Washington City in her said Application which is approved by the court and ordered to be certified - that Satisfactory evidence was presented to the court as aforesaid - That John Hall who is proven to have served as Quarter master in the North Carolina line in the Revolutionary Army from Warren County in said state is the husband of Hetty Hall who is an Applicant for this Pension from Kentucky
State of Kentucky Rockcastle Circuit Court I E T Fink Clerk of the circuit court in and for the county and circuit aforesaid certify that the foregoing is a true copy of the order therein mentioned as appears of record in my office Given under my hand and seal of office at Mt Vernon Rockcastle County Ky March 1 st 1860 E. T. Fink, CLK

Power of Attorney
Know all men by these presents that I = Nelly Wall - of the county of Madison, in the state of Kentucky widow of John Wall - decd.
Do hereby constitute and appoint irrevocably John S Edward of Washington city, my true and lawful attorney, for me and in my name to prosecute my claim for a pension upon my application from Kentucky for the benefit of the pension act of Congress passed 4 th July 1834. due me on account of the services of my said husband the said John Wall (decd.) in the army of the Revolutionary war. Said attorney is moreover authorized in my name to examine all papers and documents of every description filed at any Department or office of Government at Washington city, or else where upon which her said application was made for a pension hereby revoking any and all other authorizations in the premises and vesting the same in said attorney from appointed said John S Edward.
Witness my Hand and Seal This 6 th day of March 1858.
Signed Sealed and acknowledged in our presence on the day and date aforesaid. James Holland. Green Holland.
her Nelly Wall mark

No 2

State of Kentucky
County of Madison
I James H. Embry the Presiding Judge of the county court in and for the county of Madison in the State aforesaid. certify that the foregoing declaration of Messrs. Witty Hall and the affid- avit of James Holland and G V Holland.
was on this day exhibited before me, and the same by me being approved. which is hereby certified to World Commission of Pensions at Washington city. I have no interest in this claim nor concerned in its prosecution
Given under my hand this 17 day of April 1858.
James H. Embry P. J. M.C.C.
State of Kentucky
County of Madison
I Thomas H. Barnes clerk of the county court in and for the county aforesaid. certify that Elyah D Hudson Esq. who has signed the foregoing certificate, is and was at the time of signing the same a Justice of the peace in and for said county, duly commissioned and sworn according to law and that his said signature thereto is genuine. I further certify that James H Embry whose name appears to the above certificate, is and was at the time of signing the same the presiding Judge of the county court in and for the county of Madison in the State aforesaid. duly commissioned and sworn according to law, and his said signature thereto is genuine.
Given under my hand and Seal of said county court this 17 day of April 1858.
Thos H Barnes Clerk