Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 3276, Harmanus Ehle, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Ehle, Harmanus or Harmanes
R. 3276
CONTENTS

31,382 No. 31,382
Hermannus Ehle Montgomery County New York
25.
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In: Cunningham Canajoharie New York

WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
July 30 1833
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: { ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of Hermannus Ehle  Montgomery County New York
     Period when the service was rendered. Duration of the claimant's service. Rank of the claimant. Name of the Field officers under whom he served. Age at present, and place of abode when he entered the service. Proof by which the declaration is supported.   Years. Months. Days.     Served> private Capt Van Eury 69 years Montgomery County New York Testimonial evidence & two Witnesses certified credible papers correctly attached  "  2 - - "   1777 0 0 22 See Vol 3. p. 26,   1780 0 1 14 " 3. " 25 Then 48 years in his station  
I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
Allegation of aggregate service inadmisible. See note C
J. L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.

REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c., Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of private armed vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
 1. The Regular Troops.  2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.  3. Persons employed in the Naval Service.  4. Indian Spies. 
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will, in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of } ss. County of }  On this                      day of                      personally appeared (a) before A. B. a resident (b) of                      in the county of                      and State, Territory or District of                      aged (c)                      years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d)                      , with                      and served in the                      (e) regiment of the                      line, under the following named officers:
[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above-named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I                      of the Court of do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of                      for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this day of                      &c.
If, on examination of the proper record, the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the                      and C. D. residing in (the same)                      , who has hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with                      , who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B. who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the                      and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the                      and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I,                      Clerk of the Court of                      do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this                      day of                      &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration, (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his

alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
 1. Where and in what year were you born?  2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?  3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?  4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?  5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.  G. { To a Soldier. { Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given, and what has become of it? To an Officer. { Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?  7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution. 
The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons—one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify to the character and standing of other persons giving such certificates.
The traditional evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the inquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court, by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the Peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court of County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:—For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____. For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months , is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must fix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
The notes from [a] to [i] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[k] This traditional evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[l] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[m] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.

Whereas Mr. Hermann K. Ehle, and Daniel Ehle, are Sons of Hermann Ehle late of Canajoharie deceased who was a soldier in the war of the Revolution and made application for a pension under the act of Congress passed 7 th June A.D. 1832. which said application was rejected or delayed for further proof, and whereas the said Hermann Ehle died about the year 1844, leaving no widow. Now therefore we the subscribers, children of the said Hermann Ehle, do hereby constitute appoint and fully empower and authorize irrevocably and with powers of substitution Saint H. Marks of the city of Albany and Vincel Sweeborg of the city of Washington D.C., our true and lawful attorneys for us, and in our names and on account of all the children of the said Hermann Ehle, to examine into, to prosecute, to demand and to receive from the United States Government our rights in all, and any moneys of claim for interest, or arrears of pension that may be due us as the children of the said Hermann Ehle who died leaving the same undrawn.  In testimony whereof we have hereunto set our hands, and seals at Canajoharie this 11 th day of September A.D. 1852
Executed in presence of    C. Brown  H. K. Ehle    Chas. Keller  Daniel Ehle  
State of New York } County of Montgomery } ss On this 11 th day of September A.D. 1852 before me the subscribers a justice of the peace in and for said county personally appeared Hermann K. Ehle, and Daniel Ehle above named and to me known and acknowledged the foregoing power of attorney to be their act and deed — C. Brown justice of the peace
State of New York } County of Montgomery } ss. Hermann K. Ehle and Daniel Ehle both of the Town of Canajoharie being by me duly sworn according to law, depose and say, that they are sons of

the identical Hermannus Ehle deceased, named in the foregoing power of Attorney, and that they are directly interested in the claim and application about to be made for a further prosecution of the pension claim of the said Hermannus Ehle deceased ————— Sworn to and subscribed
STATE OF NEW-YORK, } ss. Montgomery County Clerk's Office. }
Clerk of said County, do hereby certify that C Brown I, J. W. VAN DERVEER, Esquire, whose name is subscribed to the certificate of proof or acknowledgment to which this is annexed, was on the date of the same a JUSTICE OF THE PEACE, in and for said County, and dwelling in said County, duly qualified, and authorised by law to take the same, and that the said certificate of proof, &c., is taken according to the laws of this State. And further, that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of said JUSTICE, and verily believe his signature to the said Certificate is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto subscribed my name, and affixed my official seal, at FONDA, this 17th day of Sept 1852.
J. W. Van Derveer Clerk.
Ehle Ehle

the identical Harnanus Ehle described, named in the foregoing power of Attorney, and that they are directly interested in the claim and application about to be made for a further prosecution of the pension claim of the said Harnanus Ehle deceased.   Sworn to and subscribed to at Seneca Falls this 16 th day of September A.D. 1852 before me C. Brown, justice of the peace.  H. H. Ehle Daniel Ehle
of Dept. 1852.  J. W. Andrews Clerk.

Sworn Declaration of - Heromancy Ekle
$1.12
[Faint, mirrored handwritten text from the reverse side of the page]
11

State of New York Montgomery County ss: Hermann Ehle the applicant who subscribed & swore to the the annexed declaration being duly sworn before the undersigned Justice of the peace of said County makes oath & saith that there was, was not much regularity in the attendance of field officers at the Fort Ehle mentioned in said declaration whilst this deponent was in garrison. this deponent recollects however that Colonels Clyde & Willett were both talked of as having control. this deponent thinks however that he was generally called into service by his Captain or Lieutenant Van Eury and that they were commonly perhaps altogether under the direction of the Committee of Safety which consisted of a number of respectable men collected from different parts of the County & generally holding their deliberations in the neighborhood of Fort Ehle. This deponent further saith that during the term of his actual service in Fort & otherwise as mentioned in his said declaration he was not engaged in any civil employment - Deponent further states that he is not aware that he was issued any written discharge after the performance of any of the aforesaid services & verily believes that if he did the same very long long since been lost or destroyed & further this deponent saith not. Hermann Ehle
Subscribed & sworn to this 7 th day of September 1833
Hermann Ehle
before me J. B. Van Eury Justice of the Peace
State of New York ss: I, George D. Ferguson, Clerk of Montgomery County do hereby certify that John Crumpling before whom the above affidavit of Hermann Ehle purports to have been sworn, was on the date thereof a Justice of the peace of the said County; and that I am acquainted with the handwriting of said Justice & verily believe that his name subscribed to the above affidavit is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 11 th September 1833.
Geo: D. Ferguson

Montgomery County State of New York ss:
Personally appeared before me the undersigned a Justice of the peace in & for the County of Montgomery Herman Ehle the person mentioned in & who signed & swore to the annexed declaration and being duly sworn deposed and saith that by reason of old age & the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the period mentioned below & in the following grade — For two years I served as a private in the militia of the state of New York and for such service I claim a pension — I further state that Nicholas Van Alstine & David F. Saia Esquires Herman J. Ehle Henry Lieb Barnes John R. Van Eves & David Ecker Esquires and Thomas B. Michele Esquire of are some of the respectable citizens of said Canajoharie who are acquainted with the deponent —
Subscribed & sworn to this 22 nd day of April 1833 before me
Herman Ehle
John Cunningham J. Peace
part of their successive seasons in guard construction and

State of New York, Montgomery County Clerk's office ss: — I, George D. Ferguson, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County, do hereby certify that John Swain in before whom the within supplemental declarat- ion purports to have been sworn, was on the date thereof a Justice of the Peace; And that I am well acquainted with the handwriting of said Justice & verily believe that the name of said Justice subscribed to the within supplemental declaration is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 14th day 1833.
Geo: D. Ferguson

State of New York Montgomery County ss:
On this eighteenth  Nineteenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand Eight hundred & thirty two personally appeared in open court before the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas in & for the County of Montgomery aforesaid now sitting Hermanus Ehle a resident of the town of Canajoharie in the County of Montgomery aforesaid aged 69 years Last November who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7 th 1832 - to wit:
That he was born in the town of Canajoharie in said County on the twelfth day of November 1762 and is now in his eightieth year - That he knows of no record of his age being now in existence but has seen it some years ago in the possession of his father, his twin brother Anthony Ehle is now present - That as soon as said Appli- = cant was of sufficient age he was enrolled into the Militia Company of Captain Reineca Van Eury & continued in the same during the residue of the war - Applicant performed much duty service during the four last years of the war of which he recollects pretty distinctly the following Items to wit: He was several times (two of which he recollects distinctly) Stationed at Fort Plank where he spent eight days at each time - He was twice Stationed at Fort Eaton at one of which times he served out his own term of eight days & at the other he served his own term of eight days and eight days for another person making in the whole twenty four days at Fort Eaton - He was dispatched  for for 7 days started for Fort Stanwix but was left with about 30 horses at Herkimer during which time he spent one day on a scout against the Indians - He was dispatched to Fort Stanwix with provisions for the army - Applicant was employed for the greater part of three successive seasons in guard constructing and

guarding Fort Eble in Canajoharie And verily believing that the time spent by applicant in the Last mentioned service was not short of one year. And that the whole of the services performed by this declarant in the revolutionary war including such as are herein before enumerated & those of which this declarant is not able to give any distinct statement would equal at least two years He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension Role of the agency of any state. How  How  in  in  Wines  Wines  Sh  Sh Sworn to and subscribed the day & year aforesaid in Open Court Geo: D. Ferguson. Clerk
State of New York Montgomery County ss: Adam Brown John Van Alstine & Anthony Eble being duly sworn before the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Montgomery now sitting  Sworn deposed and said that they were well acquainted with Hermanus Eble who made & swore to the foregoing declaration of his services during the revolutionary war and have been intimately ac- quainted with him ever since that time. That they are well personally knowing to some of the services stated in said declaration to have been performed by him the said Hermanus, and verily believe from the knowledge they have of his character and from their knowledge of the history of those times, that all the services mentioned in said declaration were faithfully performed by him and that his general estimate of his services in said declaration does not exceed the reality & further we agree with him as to his age and believe him to be a person entitled to credit. Adam Brown made

Sworn & subscribed in Open Court this day & year aforesaid.
Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk
John hi X Van Alstine mark Dr. Mory G. V.
We Abraham Van Horn a clergyman residing in the town of Hylton in the county of Montgomery aforesaid and Abraham Van Alstine residing in the town of Canajoharie in said county hereby certify that we are well acquainted with Thomas Ehle who has subscribed & sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be sixty nine years of age, that he is respected and beloved in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn & subscribed the day & year aforesaid. Abraham Van Horn in Open Court. Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk. John Van Alstine
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the war department that the above named applicant is a revolutionary soldier and such as he states & and the court further certifies that it appears to them that the foregoing Adam Brown John Van Alstine & Anthony Ehle who signed the preceding certificate reside in the town of Canajoharie in said County of Montgomery and are credible persons and that their statement is entitled to credit. And that Abraham Van Horn who signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman residing in the town of Johnstown & that Abraham N. Van Alstine who has also signed the said Certificate is a resident of Canajoharie, & is a credible person & that their statement is also entitled to credit.
Having written of said Justice I verily believe that his name subscribed to the above affidavit is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 11th September 1833.
Geo: D. Ferguson

I George D. Ferguson, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County, do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the Original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the Application of Hermann Ehle for a Pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 25 th the day of September 1835.
Geo: D. Ferguson

3296 P. O. Hermann Shle
Service: _____
REJECTED
Enlisted: _____, 18 .
Discharged: _____, 18 .
Application filed: _____, 18 .
Alleges: _____ _____
Re-enlisted: _____ _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____ _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract.

New York Rev.
Heinmann Ekle
Suspended
let. John Cumming 16
Nov. 1833
Han C McVean July 2 '34
in ch. J. Bovee 9. May 1836
to same 20 Dec. 1839
to same 26. May 1840
same April 29th 1842
same Augt. 5. 1842 -
3276
Act. y June '32

1774 Vol 3. p 24 - $4.86 0.22 1780 — 25. 9.64 1.13 2.5

32. 351
New York Hermanus Ehle.
Suspended.
Lett e to Hon. J. M c Lean. Dec r 12. 1834.

H. Ekle
MS
C. Hunt Esq
Johnson
Comm. Prison
D. Luce

apl. 4, 1840
erroneously in Harmanus @ a 10
FREE
Dear J. L. Edwards Court of Pensions
Washington D.C.

Amsterdam April 1. 1840
Sir Everard I forward you a certificate in the case of Honnorius Eld - you will discover that he is entitled to an all- crown - and you will forward to me his certificate for as much as the proof in his case will entitle him to - you will dis- cover that in this certificate it is Capt Rainer Event - it should be Van Eeny - there was no such Capt as Event now in my country
I am yours respectfully
Mathias J. Baece
Wore J. L. Edm. d.

Aug 4. 1842
My Ethel Hermans
Miss J. L. Edwards Comt. of Lamina Washington D.C.
free FREE

Amsterdam August 1. 1842
Sir
Enclosed I forward you some affidavits of Hibernian Elders under the Act of June 7. 1832
I am yours respectfully
Matthew J. Barron
Rev. J. L. Edwards

The number and amount of certificates issued by the Treasurer of the State of New York for Services and Militia Services &c Continued from Book No 2
   To whom given     1779 December 3 Wärm d Ehle 11.224 private 1 18 11   1780 December 3 Wärm d Ehle 11.276 " 3 17 11   5 16 10  
2 days 14.60 13 32 6 1.28
State of New York Comptroller's Office Albany March 27. 1840
already noted
I hereby certify the above to be true extracts from Book No 3 now remaining in this office and it also appears from the same Book that the said Wärm d Ehle served the two terms above named under or with Capt Renier Everat and it also appears that Albert Pauling was a Col d Command for the the years 1779 & 1780
W m M c Culloch Dep y Comptroller

Washington Sept 20. 1852
Sir
Enclosed herewith is a Power of Attorney from H. H. Ehle and Daniel Ehle sons of Hermann Ehle who claimed a pension under the act of June 7. 1832. An opportunity of examining the papers in this case is requested
Respectfully
Your Obl serv V Luce
J. E. Heath Esq Comm d Judg s

Amsterdam Dec 14 Dec 19
in att
Free
NY
Dear Geo. W. Camp Acting Comr. of Prisons
Washington
D.C.
Ekle
_____

Amsterdam Decr 14. 1839.
Sir
I have been requested to examine the case of Haemerkus Chile whose papers are on file in your Office under the Act of June 9. 1832 of this country - please give me a copy of the report made in this case - and oblige me the
Matthias J. Baeck
Dear Geo. W. Cumpfe

Apr. 22 1842
My Dear Sir
FREE
W. L. Edson Comm. of Finance Washington D.C.

Amsterdam April 18. 1842
Sir
On Saturday last while at Canajoharie my attention was called again to the case of Har- -mann. I have a claimant under the Act of June 1832 and from his statement I am satisfied that he is entitled to an allowance. I was informed that in addition to his services as a soldier he was also a Fifer and served in that capacity more than a year - I have furnished the Comptroller's certificate for same service - I want this can carefully examine and the result communicated to me - I write the objections clearly stated - I think one of your former objections was that you knew no such captain as Rinear Van Evers - If so I can remove that objection If by a careful examination of his case you come to the conclusion that the claimant is entitled to an allowance you will forward me the certificate
I am yours respectfully
Matthew J. Bence
Henry J. Edwards

No answer
Pension Office
12 Dec 1834
Washington D.C.
Secretary of War
James Cag.
Penns
NY

NY
Summer
The Honble. Lewis Cass - Secretary of War Washington D. C.
No answer Pardon Office 12 Dec 1834

To the Honble Lewis Cass, Secretary of War Si , I have seen a Letter from the War department relative to the applications of Richard Loucks & several others for Pensions for services in the revolutionary war, stating that these cases are suspended for further examination, & intimating a suspicion as to the honesty & truth in regard to the services ren- dered; & a supposed difficulty in making such minute statements from memory &c. As to the truth & general correctness of these statements, I have not any doubt - These men are illit- erate & depend more on memory than persons accustomed to write - besides these transactions occurred when young, & from their very nature, calculated to make such deep impressions on the mind, as can never be eradicated - I well remember years ago, when no motive existed to pervert the truth - when there was no expectation or calculation, to be benefited by what was related as having occurred during that war, that I heard these men, & many others in the same neighbourhood, relate substantially the same - Judge Snell who has assisted in drawing up these state- ments of services, was himself one of the number who served with & among them; & from a number of cases in which he has prepared the papers for individuals who are now drawing pensions, it is natural that every circumstance must be perfectly fresh in the memory - I am also well acquainted with Judge Snell & with the individu- als above referred to, and have been so from my infancy (being upwards of forty years) and now can freely attest to their good characters both as to truth & veracity, & & respectability as citizens - November 4, 1834. Palatine Bridge, Montgomery Co. respectfully yours &c State of New York - Henry Loucks -
The Honble Charles M c Vean, and members of Con- gress is respectfully requested to add a line to this, stating my character & standing, & any other circumstances he may deem proper - H. Loucks -

Johnstown Nov 7. 1834
Dear Sir
The upstarting letter was transmitted to me for perusal previous to its transmission to you. Agreeably to the request contained in the Postscript I do most cheerfully say that Henry Lanscks Esqr the writer of the letter (with whom I am intimately acquainted) is a gentleman of undoubted integrity and all his statements are entitled to the fullest credit.
I have the honor to be with kind regards of the greatest respect yours most obed Servt
C McVean
Hon Lew Cays

Affidavit John Van Alstine For Anthony Ehle Harmann Ehle

State of N. York Montgomery County S.S. On the 15 th day of April 1836 Personally appeared & came before me David J. Latta Judge of Montgomery County Courts Commissioner in the sup bt court — John Van Alstine, of the Town of Canajoharie, County of State Aforesaid. Who was duly sworn according to Law. deposes and saith That he has been personally acquainted with Harmannus Ehle, previous to the Revolutionary War, at the commencement thereof, during the same, and to the conclusion thereof, and ever since, that deponent himself is aged 82 years, know- ing the Aforesaid Harmannus, a Claimant, by opinion, to be aged exceeding seventy three years past, — And that both Claimant and deponent were born near Neighbours together, as deponent always understood by his Parents. And and also belief it to be true vizt in the Town of Canajoharie, County and State Aforesaid, although then Teyon, and since after the Revolutionary War, Montgomery County, — deponent further says, that Harmannus Ehle and Anthony Ehle, were brothers And not only brothers but also twins, And Associate fellow Soldiers, and Musicous Drummer and fifer, Under Capt. Ranier Van Evers, and in the Reg t then Com- manded by Col. Clyde vizt Col. Samuel Clyde, deponent believe that both the brothers were Enrolled soon after they Arrived to the age of Sixteen late in fall 1778. but doth not recollect that either hath rendered any United States Services, Until sometime in Spring 1779. When there was a draft to Fort Plank, When according to the best of deponent Knowledge both the Brothers were drafted to that Fort, and that the said Claimant did continue in rendering United States Service, year after year, Until the final Conclusion of the Revolution, And did prove a true friend to the the American Cause, for Liberty and Independence, Against the British Government — deponent further says, that in consequence the said Claimant was a Musicous He did not stand his drafts, as frequent, and equal with others of the Militia But Enjoined on him, unless called and ordered out in consequence of Scareous Alarms, and incursions by the common Enemy, Continually Stationed at Fort Ehle, Ordered and directed by his Capt, regular to play or beat the Reveille, Morning and evening without fail, inducing Indians and Tories, vizt their common expected Enemy who frequently have kept, lurking and Skulking Around in the Woods, deponent says Inducing such, to think and belief that Fort Ehle was well Guarded, and Garrisoned, and that such Services having been rendered by Claimant and his brother, to the United States during the Period of four seasons annually, exclusive of other Garrison duty, and when called and ordered out, on other frequent Occurrences, and incursions by the Enemy —

Deponent further State that Claimant is a man of truth and Veracity, and his Testimony Entitled to full credit —
Subscribed and sworn to
This 15 th day of April 1836
before me —
John his X Van Alstin Mark
D H Jania Judge
Montgomery County Courts Commissioner
I do certify that I am personally acquainted with the above named John Van Alstin & that he is reputable & entitled to credit & that he made his mark because he could not write April 15. 1836.
D H Jania Judge
Montgomery County Courts Commissioner

Affidavit by John Van Ghyse Anthony Ely for Hamburg, Fla
Hon. M. J. Bovee HR

State of New York } Montgomery County } ss — On the 15 th day of April 1836 Personally Appear Before me David F. Faria a judge of the Montgomery County courts and councils at Law in the Sup. Court in and for the County of Anthony Ehle of the Town of Canajoharie, County and State Aforesaid, who was duly sworn According to Law, deposeth and saith that he had the Greatest Reason being Acquainted with Harmanus Ehle of the same Town and County Aforesaid, as they were not only brethren twins together, but also Associate Soldiers, and Musicians together, in the Revolutionary War, that they were enrolled in the Company of Militia Commanded by Capt. Rainier Van Evera, in the Regt. Commanded by Col. Samuel Clyde And soon After the the 12 th day of November 1778 When became Aged 16 years, Enrolled Liable to render United States Services —
deponent further State that he does not recollect of any Service which His Brother hath rendered, during the remainder part of November, neither during the Winter following. And not Until early in Spring When the Aforesaid Harmanus, Viz t A Claimant for a Pension, was drafted, to Fort Plank, at different times during the course of that year, Also to Fort Plain, And other Occurrences, and tours during the course of said year, And that Claimant was considered a true and faithful Soldier from the commencement of his rendering Services to the determination of the Aforesaid Revolutionary War, and that he did continue faithfully, whenever thereunto required and Commanded by his Superior Officer, in each and every occurrence case of an Incursion or Severe Alarm When he was Alarmed to be his Arms And Accoutrements in lieu of his life, but that both were Enrolled as Musicians, Viz t Claimant Fifer. And deponent Drummer
deponent further says that Claimant and himself were not drafted as frequent and often than others of the Militia, that they were Stationed at Fort Ehle by the Capt. of said Company Viz t Capt. Van Evera, Particulary Ordered and directed to perform their regular duty as Musicians, regularly to beat, and play, the Raveler Evening and Morning, besides watching and performing other Garrison duty, And that such Service has been rendered by both during the Space of time for four different Seasons. Viz t from the early part in Spring, Until late in fall. Annually, from Spring 1779. to late in fall 1782. And that deponent at a moderate rate or calculation, says, that Claimant has at least rendered the length of such Services, five Months Annually. Exclusive of other Services rendered, When called and Ordered Out On a sudden Alarm, or incursion, of The Enemy, —
And deponent further saith and declare, that such Garrison duty was calculated, inducing the common Enemy who frequently kept lurking and Scouting Around the settlements, to belief, that the fort was well and Sufficiently Guarded

At all times, deponent further State that deponent is Aged Seventy three years and some short of five Months, that he was born on the 12 th day of November 1762 deponent further and last says, that Gaiment is a person of truth and Veracity, and his Testimony Entitled to Credit, and further faith Not, — Subscribed and sworn to
before me this 15 th day of April 1836
Anthony Eble
D. F. Gania Judge of Montgomery County Courts Commissioner Jr
I do certify that I am personally acquainted with the above named Anthony Eble and that he is reputable & entitled to full Credit - April 15 th 1836.
D. F. Gania Judge of Montgomery County Courts Commissioner Jr
State of New York
Montgomery County
Clerks Office, ss:
I George D. Ferguson, Clerk of the county of Montgomery do hereby certify that David F. Gania before whom the foregoing affidavits of Anthony Eble & John Van Alstine purport to have been sworn, was on the date thereof a Judge of Montgomery County Courts, and that I am well acquainted with his handwriting & verily believe that his name subscribed to said affidavits & to the foregoing certificate of Character of said Deponents is Genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the seal of my office this 18 th April 1836.
Geo: D. Ferguson. Clerk

32. 351
Affidavit
Adam Brown
vs Harmanus Eble
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Suspd.
Lett to. Hon. C. McVean.
Dec r 12. 1834.
31. 382.
Harmanus Eble
N.Y.
Act 7. June '32
Hon. C. McVean

State of N. York } Montgomery County }
On the 3 rd day of October 1834 personally appeared and came before me John Cumming a Justice of the peace of the Town of Canajoharie in the County of Montgomery aforesaid. Adam Brown of the same Town and County aforesaid, Who being duly sworn and faith that himself is aged Eighty Six years past, was that he was acquainted with Herman Bble a resident of the Town of Canajoharie previous to the Revolutionary War during the same and ever since, and also that he well knows and recollects that the said Hermanus has rendered faithful services to the United States as a Rifler when ordered in performing Garrison duty and often when called out at times of threatening danger, he the said claimant was allowed to carry his arms and accoutrements to service, in repelling the common Enemy of the American Independence, and that the said Applicant did prove a true Soldier and friend to the United States, at least from the time he arose to the age of Sixteen Vizt from the year 1779 to the close of the War
And this deponent further saith that the Applicant is a person of truth and veracity, and his testimony entitled to full credit —
Sworn and subscribed before me
This 3 rd day of October 1834 by making his mark he not having
power to write his name
M c Cumming J. Peace
Adam his Brown Mark
State of New York } Montgomery County }
I the aforesaid justice do further certify that I am personally acquainted with Adam Brown who is mentioned in & who swore to & subscribed the above affidavit & know him to be a reputed a man of truth & credit and believe him to be well entitled to such reputation
Dated October 8 th 1834
M c Cumming J. Peace

Affidavit
John Van Alstine on behalf of Harmannus Ehle

State of N. York } ss Montgomery County }
On the 27 th day of October 1834. Personally appeared before me John Cumming a Justice of the Peace in and for the County of Montgomery Aforesaid, John Van Alstine of the Town of Canajoharie and County Aforesaid, Who being duly sworn deporeth and saith, that he has been personally acquainted with Harmannus Ehle, Previous, during, and ever since the Revolutionary War, perfectly recollect that he was not only a true friend to the American cause, but also a true and faithful Soldier, Against the British, Tories, and Indians, personally known, that said Harmannus was a claimant for a Pension, was a Musician Vizt a Fifer in the Company of Militia commanded by Capt. Ryneus Van Evers, in the Regt. commanded by Col. Sam l Clyde, that he belonged to the said Company, and rendered United States Services, at least in Spring of 1779, and continued during said War, to the conclusion thereof, found him always ready at a moments warning whenever thereunto required and commanded —
This deponent further depore and saith, that the said Claimant and a brother of Claimant, by Name Anthony Ehle, were always considered to have been Twins, who the said Anthony was Drummer in the same Company and that the said Claimant with his brother were Generally Ordered by their Superior Officers, Vizt by Capt. Van Evers to be stationed at Fort Ehle, and there rendering Garrison duty, Morning and Evening, and chiefly during the day time, and in consequence not being drafted, and called and Ordered out as often and as frequent On other Occurrences, On Alarms & Alike others of the said Company, Although deponent declares that he is personally known, that himself & Claimant and himself were often and frequently called & Ordered out together, On Alarms, and incursions of the Enemy, and that from the latter part of the year 1780, to the close of the War it was Generally considered that all the Militia were Under the Gen l command of Col. Marinus Willett, as well those the Levies — in the then County of Tryon — And deponent further saith that Claimant Is a man of Strict Integrity, truth, and Veracity, and the statement contained in his Declaration entitled to full credit —
Subscribed and sworn to, this 27 th day of October 1834 before
John his Van Alstine mark
me — by making his mark he not having learnt to write his name the words "and himself" on the 24 th line from top having been first erased J. Cumming Justice of Peace

State of New York Montgomery County ss:
I John Cummings do hereby certify that I am well acquainted with John Van Alstine the witness sworn to the foregoing affidavit and have known him for a number of years past and do certify that he is estimated to be a man of truth and veracity and his is entitled to full credit - Given October 27: 1834
John Cummings Justice of the peace in & for the County of Montgomery

In order to Obtain the benefit of the act of congress of the seventh day of June 1832.
State of New York
Montgomery County ss } Hermanus Ehle of the town of Canajoharie in the county of Montgomery Being duly sworn says that he is now aged seventy nine years & eight Months  years & this Deponent further makes oath & Declares in order to Obtain the benefit of the provisions made by the act of congress passed June 7 th 1832 That he entered the army at the age of sixteen years as a private in the company of Ryner van Euren who lived at Canajoharie or made his home there but was absent much of the time at Schenectady & the Lieutenant was Cornelius van Euren & the Ensign Henry Schrambling who are all now dead, this service lasted 8 days & was performed at Fort Plank near Fort Plain & then relieved & returned to Fort Eble near Canajoharie village here the Applicant remained through the whole Summer fall & winter & took his turn on guard duty; In this fort at Canajoharie applicant remained till the close of the war & continued to be enrolled as a fifer & did such duty while in said fort until the close of the war. The applicant was often called off on other service. During the time was on duty at Fort Naton a fortnight, at Herkines Stone house about eight days. Applicant was never in any battle acted as musician always when in Fort Ehle & served from the age of sixteen nearly all the time till the close of the war making over three years; The memory of the applicant is poor & cannot remember as well as he could a few years ago The applicant does not know of any person now living who served with him except Adam Browns of Canajoharie but who is so old that he cannot remember but little the applicant served under the same officers all the

time but Captain Van Every spent a good deal of his time in Schenectady. The said applicant further declares that he has no written or documentary evidence of his service, and he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity except the present & he declares that his name is not on the pension roll of any agency in any state or territory and the applicant's health is much impaired. Sworn & subscribed this 13 th Day of July 1842  of the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and forty two .
Before me Chester S. Brumley Justice of the Peace
And I the said justice do hereby declare that I am acquainted with the above named applicant and it is my opinion that he was a Revolutionary Soldier and served as he has stated above. Canajoharie July 13, 1842. Chester S. Brumley Justice of the Peace
Montgomery County ss. Clerk Clerk's office I, Henry Cook, of the County of Montgomery do hereby certify that Chester S. Brumley whose name is subscribed to the above affidavit and declaration was at the date of said affidavit and declaration a justice of the peace in and for the County of Montgomery, duly authorized and qualified to act as such justice, and further that I am well acquainted the hand writing of the said Chester S. Brumley and that the signature to the aforesaid affidavit and declaration are his genuine hand writing.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the county of Montgomery this 30 th 1842.
H. Cook, Clerk

State of New York Montgomery County ss
deposition of Herman Ehle
I further certify that after investigating the matter and after putting the interrogatories presented by the War department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states. and that on account of bodily infirmities and old age he is unable to attend in open court. Oct 29. 1834 and I further certify that I am personally acquainted with the said applicant that he is of irreproachable character and entitled to full credit.
(David Spaker Judge of Mont Co. Court Counsellor in Sup. Court)
State of New York
Montgomery County
Clerks office. ss: I George D. Ferguson, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County aforesaid do hereby certify that David Spaker before whom the foregoing declaration of Herman Ehle purports to have been sworn, was on the date thereof a Judge of Montgomery County Court & Counsellor in the Supreme Court of the State of New York. And that I am well acquainted with his handwriting & truly believe that his name subscribed to said declaration & also to the above certificate is genuine.
And I further certify that John Cumming before whom the annexed affidavits of Adam Brown & John Van Alstine, purport to have been sworn was on the date of the same a Justice of the Peace in for the County aforesaid, And that I am well acquainted with his handwriting & truly believe that his name subscribed to the said affidavits & also to the annexed certificate of character of said Brown & Van Alstine, is in each case genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of my Office this first November 1834.
Geo: D. Ferguson

State of New Yorke Montgomery County
On the 10 th day of October One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty four, Personally Appeared before me David Spracker One of the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas, and General Sessions of the Peace, in and for the County of Montgomery Aforesaid Harmanus Ehle, A resident of the Town of Canajoharie, in the County, and State, Aforesaid, who declares and saith that he was born on the 12 th of November in the year 1762 As Appears by Family records, the Church records are not to be found, that he is now Aged Seventy One years and Exceeding ten Months — Who being first duly sworn. According to Law, doth on his Oath make the following Declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the Act, of Congress, passed June 7 th 1832 that he was born in the Aforesaid Town of Canajoharie, then County of Tryon, and that he had resided there, continuously previous to the Revolutionary War, during the same, and ever since — And after he arrived to the age of Sixteen Viz t in the year 1778, he was enrolled in the Company of Militia commanded by Capt. Ranier Van Evers, In the Reg t of Militia commanded by Col. Samuel Clyde, and Gen l Fishers Brigade, Entering the Service of the United States as a Vizt Thirteen Militiaman — and continued to the conclusion of the Revolution, and Services performed as follows —
Statement showing the Service of Hermanus Ehle, Montgomery County, State of N. York

1779
Brought forward
   Total 0 1 23     d o during the whole season from Spring until late in fall 0 1 15 Phifer Capt Van Evers Col Clyde Engagements & country NYork Where he Entered Service & his present age &c Gen l Orders, Especially at the time of Alarm, Ordered and Stationed at Fort Eliza, with his Wife and his Brothers with his drum, particularly Evening & Morning, and often and frequently when called by parade, in rendering Garrison duty, at least the length of United States Service as pleased. Opposite   1780, during the season 0 0 8 d o d o Maj r House " " d o d o Drafted to Fort Plank in rendering Garrison duty 3 days one town guarding against the incursions of the Enemy   d o d o 0 0 2 d o d o Col (Barnes) Yates " " d o d o Under command of Col Yates, Ordered Out, On an Alarm, to Boornans Creek, Guarding Against the incursions of the Incursion   d o in July & forepart in Aug. 0 0 15 d o d o Col Clyde " " d o d o Ordered Out to March to Fort Schuylers At the time Capt Gray With his Company of boatmen and boats, with the supplies to Fort Stanwix were obstructed by Capt Brant and party With About 400 Incendiaries from Canada, laying in wait for a Number of days between Fort Stanwix and Old Fort Schuylers When Under the Command of Gen l Van Rensselaer Guarding Capt Gray, With the boats, & Company safe to Fort Stanwix When Capt Brant took a circuitous route down the Mohawk, a distance of About forty miles, causing an incursion, then on the Inhabitants of the Upper part of the Town of Canajoharie, in rendering Burning & Sculping, besides Effeminated driving away and Along 300 head of cattle &c   d o during said season from Spring until late in fall 0 3 0 d o d o d o " " d o " By Gen l Orders, Under the direction and Orders of Col Clyde, under the command of Capt Van Evers Stationed at Fort Eliza, in rendering Garrison Service, for at least three Months, during the whole season   d o d o 0 0 15 d o d o d o " " d o " Inpracticable, to prescribe Specifically but exclusive of all the foregoing, claimant often and frequently being called out on Alarm, by regular Authority, and at least did render the length of Service as pleased Opposite   1781, July 0 0 8 d o d o Col Willett " " d o " Ordered Out on an Alarm to Boornans Creek, at the time When A M c Youngs with his Family were killed   d o during the whole season from Spring until late in fall 0 3 15 d o d o d o " " d o " Generally Under the command of Col Willett, Stationed at Fort Eliza, in rendering Garrison duty, chiefly during the whole season, from the early part in Spring until late in fall; in rendering United States Service for at least the period of time as pleased Opposite   1782 in Summer, believing in Summer 0 0 2 d o Capt M c Lean d o " " d o " At the time of the incursion of the place of What is called The Katsberg by the Incendiaries, when Adam Eight, was killed; some houses burned, then in pursuit of the Indians  

do, from the Early part in Spring until late in fall
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Generally by the Order and direction of Col. W. Watt, who having had the command of all the Militia and Levees, then in the County of Oregon, from the latter part of the year 1790 to the close of the war, this year as well than former years, but more particularly in the year 1792, the Indians from the early part of Spring until late in fall continually have kept annoying the inhabitants, on both sides of the Mohawk river, residing in the Town of Palatine as well as those residing in the three Towns of Canajoharie, Fort ally lurking around in the woods, near the old fort, sometimes often and frequently, murdering, and taking prisoners to Canada — and in consequence the Militia Soldiers often and frequently, ordered and called out, to repel the incursions of the common enemy during the course of said year, and ordered and stationed at Fort Ehle, more than at any other year previous. Although, Claimant or his Brother as Militia men, were not drafted, and ordered out, as frequently than others of the Militia generally, but considered of more importance to be ordered and stationed at Fort Ehle, considered by their Superior Officers, their drawn and Pique, as well than other Garrison Service of much more, and of greater utility than to be called and ordered out on each and every tour, with others of the Militia, that Claimant states that, that he hath rendered Garrison duty on service to the United States, from the Early part in Spring, to the later part in fall in the aforesaid Fort, at least three Months, and in marching out of said Fort, in repelling, and forming the Indians, during said passages, at least fifteen days, Although impracticable, to specify the particular dates and time or times of the respective Occurrences but Claimant verily believes, that he is doing injustice to himself, in asking for less Services rendered, throughout the whole statement from first to last, than he actually did, and hath rendered to the United States, and that during the last year, he at least had rendered the length of Services as placed opposite,
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a Pension or Annuity, except the present, and declares that his Name is not on the pension roll of the Agency of any State,
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And for such Services as stated in the foregoing
declaration, the Applicant Claims a Pension
Sworn to, and subscribed on the 29 day of October 1834 Before me
David Smith Judge of N. York County Counsel to Council for Sup. Court
Hanssen Evers