Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 2210, John Fisher, Va.

SERVICE
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Fisher, John
S. 2210.
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CONTENTS

Ohio 1658
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John Fisher Sen r
of Pickaway in the State of Ohio who was a private in the Compy commanded by Captain Stump of the Reg t commanded by Maj McPherson in the Virginia line for 6 months from 1781
Inscribed on the Roll of Ohio at the rate of 20 — Dollars — Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 8 th day of Nov r 1832 — and sent to Elds & Gran Riverville, Ohio —
  Arrears to 4th of Sept 1832  30 —     Semi-ann l . allowance ending 4  10     March 1833   $40. —  
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by Nathaniel Clerk Book D Vol. 10. Page 34.

John Fisher Sen d Ohio, No 2301.
for 1781, six months, private $20.

(3)  BRIEF in the case of  John Fisher Sen r  Pickaway of Franklin County  in the State of  Ohio  (Act 7th June, 1832.)
1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Court 2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity? 3. How old is he? 71 Years. 4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed.
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days.      April th In 17 82  Year not recalled  to guard the commissaries  who run the line North -  South between Pennsylvania  Virginia  " 3 " Private  Gen. Major Robert Pherson  Capt. Michael Stump  Capt. Sylvester Ward  Virginia Militia     (4)
5. In what battles was he engaged? 6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Hampshire County Virginia 7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Traditional 8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? Defective in regard to dates & period of service. (5)
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
C. Little
Examining Clerk.
* Speaks of being  harassed by Cornwallis,  could not have been in 1782.  as Cornwallis was taken in Oct 1781.

(11) The State of Ohio On this 10th day of August A D 1832 personal appearance by David Kinnear Samuel Sipress and Thomas Rinick, Judges of the Court of Common Pleas of Sipress holding a Special Session of said Court at Frederick, in said County, John Fisher Dinn, of said County age Seventy four years who being first duly sworn according to law, and having the interrogatories put to him in the rule, laid down in the instruc- tions from the War Department make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of 1832 (pardon) June 7th 1832. Aft. That he was born on the 15th day of October in the year 1760, the evidence of which fact he was possessed of, being a Copy of the Church record, but which he has lost, that he was born on Tulpahocken Creek, Berks County Pennsylvania, that at a very early age he was taken by his parents to then Hampshire, now Hardy County Virginia where he resided until he went into the service of the United States, as herein after mentioned. That in the year 1782 in the month of April as well as he recollects, he was drafted in the Militia, under Captain Michael Stump of Major McPherson, the name of the Colonel not recollecting. That he was marched to Romney, thence to Winchester, thence to Frederickburg and thence to Richmond, Virginia they were much harassed by the British under Cornwallis, making forced marches and retreating frequently all night, they were subse- quently discharged, having served their time at a place called Bollons Bridges about twenty miles from York Town in Virginia as well as applicant recollects, having served there his first time three months. That he then returned home to Hampshire County Va, and there resided when he was again drafted in the Militia, under Captain Sipress the names of the officers not recollecting, that they were marched to guard the prisoners who were the North

and South line between Pennsylvania and Virginia, that he does not recollect the year but that can be ascertained by the date the said line was run, that before the line was quite run he was again discharged on Wheeling Creek to some distance up. That it was said this last was a three months tour, whether he served the precise three months Applicant cannot say, he thinks however that he did. Of this he is certain that he and the rest were informed by the Captain that it was considered a three months tour, - that he has no documentary evidence in his possession of his said service but that he thinks, that Jacob Fisher and Jacob Groak - son of Jacob, County Virginia who he believes are both now living are acquainted with his said service therein  therein  therein . Also Isaac M c Henry who at present resides on Sugar Creek, Allen County Ohio, is acquainted with the fact having served with Applicant the last named tour, that he is unable to procure the testimony of M c Henry and the others without great trouble and expense than his ap and limited means enable him to encounter. He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the Agency of any State
John Fisher senior
Sworn to and subscribed this day and Year aforesaid Andrew Kastner Deputy Clerk
We Jonathan Rinick and Thomas Rinick residents of Pickaway County Ohio do hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Fisher Senr who has subscribed and sworn to the foregoing declaration have known him for upwards of forty years, in Virginia and in this state, that we believe him to be seventy

(v) one year of age; that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution, and that we concur in the opinion. And we further certify that he is a man of strict integrity and veracity.
Jonathan Root Thos P. Root
Andrew Easton Deputy Clerk
Sworn to and subscribed in the year day and Year aforesaid.
I Samuel J Denny Clerk of the court of common pleas do hereby certify that And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department that the above applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states. And the said Court further certifies that Jonathan Root and Thomas Root who have signed the foregoing proceeding Certificate, are residents of this County that they are credible persons, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I Samuel J Denny Clerk of the court of common pleas of Pickaway County do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of said court in the matter of the application of

John Fisher Deed for a pension
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of said Court this 10th day of August A D 1832
Samuel T. Beman Clerk By Andrew Baxter Deputy Clerk
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John Fisher Deed

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May 19, 1933
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John Fisher, S. 2210
Alexander Foreman, S. 26998
Mrs. Orion King 148 W. High Street Circleville Ohio
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your request for the Revolutionary War records of John Fisher and Alexander Foresman.
The data which follow were obtained from papers on file in the pension claim, S. 2210, based upon the military service of John Fisher.
John Fisher was born October 15, 1760, on Tulpehocken Creek, Berks County, Pennsylvania, and when very young he moved with his parents, names not given, to Hampshire (which was later Hardy) County, Virginia.
While residing in that county, he enlisted and served three months with the Virginia troops under Captain Michael Stump and Major McPherson. He stated that he enlisted for this service in April, 1782, "as well as he recollects" and that they were much harassed by the British under Cornwallis at Bottoms Bridges about twenty miles from Yorktown, Virginia. As Cornwallis surrendered in 1781, it would appear that this service was prior to 1782. John Fisher later served with the Virginia troops, three months under Captain Sylvester Ward.
He was allowed pension on his application executed August 10, 1832, at which time he was living in Pickaway County, Ohio, and he then signed as John Fisher, Senior.
The papers in this claim contain no data relative to wife and children of the soldier.
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The Revolutionary War records of this office show the following data relative to Alexander Foreman. The name also appears as Forsman, Foresman and Forseman.
He served as captain of a company of foot in the Sixth Battalion of Militia in Northampton County, Pennsylvania, and in October, 1777, while in the service at Allentown, Pennsylvania, he received two wounds, one in the right side and one in the right cheek.
On account of the disability resulting from these wounds he was pensioned from January 1, 1803, from the Pennsylvania Agency.
He stated that he moved with his family, names not stated, from Pennsylvania to Ohio about the middle of September, 1812.
In 1821 he was living in Circleville, Ohio, and was sixty-eight years of age and his wife, her name not given, was sixty-four years of age. In 1823 reference was made to his three married daughters but their names were not given.
This soldier died December 25, 1831.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator
I did not say served under Col. Kinney as could not verify it. Found a Col. Kinneigh in Pa. Archives who served as Col. in 2nd Bat. in Northampton Co. in Oct. 1777 who is probably the Colonel he has reference to.
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1926- Oct 7- Hist to Genevieve Potts See letter in Jacob Fisher 8/15/20 Aug. 1930, Nov 24 Hist to Hon Simeon D. Fess for Neele H. McClure. M.C.S. 1933 May 19 Hist to Miss Orison S. Marden M.C.S.
Rev War
2210
INVALID.
File No. 2210
John Fisher Sen t  Envt. Rev War
Act: June 7, 1832.
Index: — Vol. 8 , Page 124
[Arrangement of 1870.]

BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of John Fisher which require further proof or explanation.
 I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides ? Yes  II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides ? Yes  III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so ?  IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served ? No  V. *Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled ? No  VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations ? Yes  VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832 ? Yes  VIII. Has the Court given their opinion ? Yes  IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate ? Yes  X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed ? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal ? Yes 

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service?
No clergyman.
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it?
Yes
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had?
Yes
XIV. † If the applicant has produced a witness or witnesses as to his service, has the magistrate who administered the oath certified that he, she, or they are persons of credibility?
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?
XVI. ‡ Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct?
No
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?
Yes
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
“Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades: For _____ year _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____. For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension.”

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which the applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable.
†QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the affidavits must be properly authenticated, as above directed.
†QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticated the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the end of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.

Dept. of Interior, Rev. Records, Washington D.C.
Circleville Ohio
May 1933
Dear sir:-
Have you the pension record of John Fisher , private in Va. state Troops, received a pension in Pickaway Co. O. 1832.
Also the pension records of Alexander Foresman Capt & reut. in Pa. Troops and died in Pickaway Co. O.
If you have these records will you please send them to me.
Sincerely yours,
Mrs Arvin King 148 W High St Circleville O.

SIMEON D. FESS, OHIO, CHAIRMAN ROBERT B. HOWELL, NEBR. KENNETH MC KELLAR, TENN. FREDERICK H. GILLETT, MASS. ALDEN W. BARKLEY, KY. HIRAM BINGHAM, CONN. ELMER THOMAS, OKLA. PETER NORBECK, S. DAK. MRS. MARGARET L. WELSH, CLERK
United States Senate
COMMITTEE ON THE LIBRARY
November 18, 1930.
My dear Mr. Morgan:-
I enclose another letter concerning John Fisher, about whom I wrote you on October thirty- first and received a reply dated November seventh from the "Rev. and 1812 Wars Section MCS:MLB."
If, with this added information, you are able to locate the records desired, I will appreciate hearing from you.
Very truly yours,
Mr. E. W. Morgan, Acting Commissioner, Bureau of Pensions, Washington, D. C.
Wanted John Fisher who served in Ind. Regt. Va. Inf. For Recd H. McCabe 427 N. Marshall St. Wauseon, Ohio. then letter returned to Hon. Fess

November 24, 1930
Rev. and 1812 Wars Section MCS:MLB
Hon. Simeon D. Fess United States Senate
My dear Senator:
Reference is made to your letter of November 18, relative to information desired by Nell H. Mc Cue, of 429 North Marshall Street, Wauseon, Ohio.
You are advised that it appears from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 2210, that John Fisher, Senior, was born October 15, 1760 on Tulpehocken Creek, Berks County, Pennsylvania, and when very young moved with his parents, names not given, to Hampshire, which was later Hardy, County, Virginia.
While residing in that county, he enlisted and served three months with the Virginia troops under Captain Michael Stump and Major Mc Pherson. He stated that he enlisted for this service in April, 1782 "as well as he recollects" and that they were much harassed by the British under Cornwallis at Bottoms Bridges, about twenty miles from Yorktown, Virginia. As Cornwallis surrendered in 1781, it would appear that this service was prior to 1782.
He later served with the Virginia troops three months under Captain Sylvester Ward.
He was allowed pension on his application executed August 10, 1832, at which time he was living in Pickaway County, Ohio.
There are no data relative to wife and children of this soldier.

This is the history of the only soldier from Virginia by the name of John Fisher that is found on the Revolutionary War records of this bureau.
Very truly yours,
E. W. MORGAN Acting Commissioner

Rev. and 1812 War Section.
Calif. October 7, 1936
Miss Genevieve Potts 1395 S. High St Columbus, Ohio
Madam:
I have to advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim S. 2210, it appears that John Fisher, Senior, was born October 15, 1760 on Tulpehocken Creek, Berks County, Pennsylvania, and when young, moved with his parents (their names not given) to Hampshire (which was later Hardy County) County, Virginia.
While residing in said county, he served three months in 1781 under Captain Michael Stump and Major McPherson in the Virginia Troops; and later served three months under Captain Sylvester Ward in the Virginia Troops.
He was allowed pension on his application executed August 10, 1832, while a resident of Pickaway County, Ohio.
It is not stated that soldier was married.
Respectfully,
E. W. MORGAN
Acting Commissioner