Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 24111, Joseph Elder, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Elder, Joseph Margaret
N. 24 111
CONTENTS
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New York 1257
Margaret Elder N.Y. widow of Joseph Elder who was a Private in the Revolution
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 80 Dollars Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1843.
Certificate of Pension issued the 1 st day of August 1843 and sent to Joseph Ellis Bloomingburgh, Sullivan Co., N. York
[Act of March 3, 1843.]
Recorded in Book A. Vol. 1. Page 105.
Reported

State of New York Secretary's Office
I certify that it appears by the Military Register in this Office that Joseph Elder Enlisted as a private in Capt. Grahams Company Second New York Regiment on the 5 th day of May 1748 for Nine months and was discharged the 3 rd day of February 1749.
Arch d Campbell Dep. Secretary
Albany Aug. 18. 1838.

State of New York Orange County
On this first day of August 1838 personally appeared before the undersigned one of the Judges of the court of common pleas of said County Margaret Elder a resident of the Town of Crawford in said County aged Seventy three years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress passed July 7 th 1838 entitled an act granting half pay and pensions to certain widows. That she is the widow of Joseph Elder who was a private in the army of the Revolution and served as herein after specified according to the best of her information and belief that in the latter part of the year 1775 or the beginning of 1776 he entered the army under Capt. William Jackson and served four months as a minute man - In the year 1776 was at the White Plains under Capt. James Miller Col. Paulding but the other officers names she is unable to mention - And in the year 1777 he was in the service at a place called Ramapo under Capt. William Faulkner two or three months - And in the year 1778 he served under Capt. Graham Col. Van Cortlant's regiment nine months - And was out at different times on the western frontier in Ulster County against the Indians until the close of the war - but on account of age and loss of memory she is unable to state more definitely the names of officers under whom he served -
She further declares that she was married

to the said Joseph Elder in the fall of the year Seventeen hundred and Eighty Three by the Rev. Andrew King: That her name before marriage was Margaret Thompson that her husband Joseph Elder aforesaid died on the nineteenth day March 1829 that she was not married to him prior to his leaving the service but the marriage took place prior to the first of January 1794 viz. at the time above stated -
Sworn to and subscribed to Margaret the Elder on the day and year above mark written before
J H W Elliott Judge of Orange Co. N.Y. State of New York Orange County } ss On the first day of August 1838 before the undersigned a judge of the court of Common Pleas of said County personally appeared James Elder who upon his oath declares that he is a son of the above named Joseph and Margaret Elder, that the said Joseph Elder died at the time stated in the said declaration and that the said Margaret Elder has remained a widow since that period. Sworn and subscribed this 3 James Elder day and year last above written before J H W Elliott Judge of Orange Co. N.Y.
The undersigned judge before whom the fore- going declaration of Margaret Elder was made do certify that the I the undersigned is a woman of truth & veracity & from bodily infirmary is unable to attend court.
I also certify that James Elder who made the fore- going affidavit is a man of truth & veracity
J H W Elliott Judge

O. W. & N. Division.
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
P. S. M. E. C.
Bureau of Pensions,
Washington, D. C., February 5, 1896.
Sir:
In reply to your request for a statement of the military history of --- Joseph Elder --- 78 24 111 a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau.
DATE OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE. CAPTAIN. COLONEL. 1775 or 1776 4 mos. Pvt. William Jackson Not stated. N. Y. 1776 6 mos. Pvt. James Millikan Pawling N. Y. 1777 3 mos. Pvt. William Faulkner Not stated. N. Y. 1778 9 mos. Pvt. Graham VanCortlandt N. Y. Sumr. 1780 3 mos. Pvt. Drake Pawling N. Y.
Also served a short time as a private and sergeant in Capt. Henry Brewster's company, Col. Frederick Weissenfel's regiment --- date not stated.
Battles engaged in,
None mentioned.
Residence of soldier at enlistment, Orange Co., N. Y.
Date of application for pension. by widow, August 1, 1838.
Residence at date of application, of widow, Crawford, N. Y.
Age at date of application, of widow, seventy-three years.
Remarks: Soldier married Margaret Thompson in the fall of 1783, and died March 19, 1829. The widow's application for pension was allowed.
Very respectfully,
Mr. Wm. H. Seibert, 67 Wall St., Box 2819. New York, N. Y.
Commissioner.

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NO BOX 5410 21 AVENUE STREET CORRESPONDENCE DIV. JANUARY 7 1896

No Invalid.
DUNNING & FOWLER, COUNSELLORS AT LAW, 67 WALL STREET. P.O. BOX 2819.
Wed Jan 24 11 11
New York, January 24, 1896
To the Clerk of the Pension Department. Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir:
I want to find some proof that a certain Joseph Elder was a member of the Revolutionary Army. I think that either he or his widow drew a pension at some time between the years of 1830 & 1850 which was paid to him or her at Newburg, N.Y.
This is all the information I have. If you have any way of giving information which will prove that Joseph Elder was a member of the Revolutionary Army, will you kindly send it. If there is any way of finding out here at New York, I should like to know it. If there are few connected with searching records, etc. please state them in your reply.
Very truly yours, William H. Seibert.

shown to New York City.
Rev WIDOW, &c.
Feb 5, 1896. Mil. h. Mrs. W. H. Seiber New York
File No. 24111
Margaret Elder Widow of Joseph Elder Brn Rev War
Act Mar 3 rd 1843
Index: Vol A , Page 215
[Arrangement of 1870.]

Letter to H. Armstrong 30. 1838
New York 867
Margaret Elder widow of Joseph Elder
who was a pensioner under the Act of and who died on the 19 th . March 1829 of Orange Co. in the State of N. York who was a Private in the company commanded by Captain Faulkner of the Reg t commanded by Col. Van Cortlandt in the N. York line for 17 months & 5 days
Inscribed on the Roll of New York at the rate of 57 Dollars 22 Cents per annum. to commence on the 4 th day of March, 1830.
Certificate of Pension issued the 5 th day of Nov. 1838 and sent to H. Armstrong Newburgh, N. Y.
Arrears to the 4 th of Sept. 38. 143.05 Semi-annual allowance ending Dec. 39. 28.61 $ 271.66
{ Act July 7, } 1838.
Recorded by D. Brown Clerk Book A. Vol. 2 Page 76

State of New York Orange County } Samuel S Crawford of Montgomery in said County being duly sworn. Says that in the month of September in the year 1779. the deponent entered a company of militia of said state as a class men & on his own account for the term of three months under capt. William Telford. that said company was called out the first of Septem- ber & were marched to Fishkill & were there quartered in the old church in said Village of Fishkill in Dutchy where said company remained for two or three weeks & then drew tents & remained in said tents encamped at little distance from said Village until the first of November in said year when said company was dis- charged. having served but two months of said term. That during all said service this deponent was well acquainted with Joseph Elder late of said County deceas- ed who was a private in said company & served the aforesaid term of two months at Fishkill aforesaid. That this service was done under Captain Telford William Crist was the first & Henry Keely the second Lieutenants said company belonged at this time & served in Col Hawthorns regiments & further says not.
Sworn before me this } 18 th day of September 1838 } (H. Armstrong.)
Sam l S. Crawford
Justice of the Peace
I the undersigned Justice of the Peace before whom the foregoing affidavit of Samuel S Crawford was made & subscribed do certify that he is a man of truth & vera- city & his statements entitled to full credit (H. Armstrong)

State of New York Orange County ss. I Albert S. Britton Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County of Orange Do hereby Certify that Horace Armstrong before whom the foregoing affidavit was subscribed and sworn, and who sub- scribed the foregoing Certificate, was at the time of taking the said affidavit and subscribing the said Certificate a Justice of the peace in and for said County; and further that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Justice & hereby believe that the signatures to the said affidavit & Certificate are genuine - In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the said County the 19 th day of September 1838
A. S. Britton Clerk

Nov 29 Post NY
J. S. Edwards Esq. Comr of Pensions Washington

J. B. Edwards Esq.
Permit me to inquire of your Department what services has been allowed to Margaret Elder the widow of Joseph Elder late of the County of Orange & State of New York. I have received a Pension Certificate for her giving her a Pension of $57.22 per Annum. but am at a loss to know what part of her husband's services have been allowed & what disallowed.
She claimed the following services to have been performed by her husband.
First. Four months under Capt. Jackson in the year 1775. which is proven by the record in your Department. Five months in the year 1776 under Capt. Milliken. which was proven by the affidavit of Robert M'Clonchan. One month & 25 days in January & February in the year 1777 under Capt. Faulkner at Ramapo, shown by the records One month in the year 1777 at Fort Clinton under Capt. Faulkner which is proven by Record. Nine months under Capt. Graham in 1778. Proven by Records Two months under Capt. Gilford in the year 1779 proven by the oath of Samuel S. Crawford. & Three months in the year 1780 under Capt. Drake proven by the oath of Matthew Clearwater.
The Pension Certificate only allows her for a little more than Seventeen Months Service whereas she claims more than two years Service will you do me the favour to state to me what portion of the above services have been allowed & what rejected. in order that I may take measures to supply the defects of Proof.
Newburgh Nov 26 th 1838
Yours Truly (H. Armstrong)

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J. L. Edwards Esq. Commr. of Pensions Washington

J. Le Edmonds Esqr
Sir
Enclosed
I send you the affidavit of Samuel Brantford additional proof in the case of Margaret Elder Widow of Joseph Elder And which please file with the original papers
I would further say in relation to her claim that the service of four months in the fall of 1775 under Capt. Jackson. is proved by Capt. Jackson's roll on file in your office the five months in 1776 by the affidavit of Robert McEloughan and who served in the same company the two months service under Capt. Faulkner in the winter of 1777 is also proved by his roll now on file the six nine months in 1778. is also proved by the record the enclosed affidavit proves two months 1779 and the affidavit of Matthew Clearwater proves three months in 1780 under Capt. Drake which makes in all more than twenty four months service.

Payment to be made. at New York by S. Knapp, Esq. Agent for paying Pension- ers, in the Agency of New York
Payable on the 4th March and 4th September in each year thereafter. First pay- ment to be made 31st De- cember, 1838
Recorded in the Pension Office, in Book A. Vol. 2 Page 76 by D. Brown, Clerk.

WAR DEPARTMENT.
Five years Pension.
I certify that in conformity with the act of July 7, 1838, Margaret Elder, of the State of New York widow of Joseph Elder - who was a Private in the War of the Revolution and died on the nineteenth day of March 1829 is entitled to receive five years' pension at the rate of Fifty seven dollars and twenty two cents per annum, commencing on the fourth day of March, 1836; and in case of the death or marriage of said widow before the expiration of said five years, the pension will cease on the day of such marriage or death.
Given at the War Office of the United States, this fifth day of November one thousand eight hundred and thirty eight.
J. P.
Examined and Countersigned. }
J. L. C.
Com

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J. S. Edwards Esq.
Comt. of Pensions
Washington

J. S. Edwards Esq.
Dr Sir
Enclosed I return to you the pay certificate of Margaret Elder as per your direction in your letter of the 30 th of November last. Please direct the new certificate when issued to me
Scunborough } Dec 4 th 1888 }
Yours respectfully C. B. P. Musson

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Sept 19.
7 July 1838
J. L. Edwards Esq. Comm ee of Pensions Washington

1st October 1888
I trust you will be able to send me the amount of the balance of account to the above account of General Pitt Rivers out of which I have been debited since my death.
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J. L. Edmonds Esq.
Sir Sir
Enclosed
I send you the papers relating to the claim of Margaret Eden widow of Joseph Eden under Act of July 7. 1838.
Yours &c
H. Armstrong
Sept 15 th 1838

Dec 27. 1842.
NY
Margaret Elder

J. L. Edwards Esq. - Pension Commissioner Washington City D. C.

Margaret Elder Widow of Joseph Elder did applyed under the act of 1838 and drew a five years Pension for her husband Services as a private only it will appear from the enclosed that her husband Joseph Elder served as a Sargeant a large portion of his time during the war of the Revolution perhaps you may have other proof in your possession which will show to show that her husband served the greater part of the time as a Sargeant the widow Elder wishes an increase of her pension for what ever time it will appear that her husband served as a Sargeant pleas send the answer to me directed to Bullitt Brang County Ky Jeremiah Parker

New York, 867
Margaret Elder widow of Joseph Elder
who was a pensioner under the Act of and who died on the 19. March 1829 of Orange Co, in the State of New York who was a Private in the company commanded by Captain Faulkner of the Regt. commanded by Col. Van Cortland in the N. York line for 2 years
Increased from $57:22
Inscribed on the Roll of New York at the rate of 80 Dollars Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1836.
Certificate of Pension issued the 10 th day of Dec., 1838 and sent to H. Armstrong Newburgh, N.Y.
Arrears to the 4th of Sep. '38 200.00 Semi-annual allowance ending Feb. '39. 40.00
$240.00
{ Act July 7, } 1838. }
Recorded by D. Brown Clerk, Book A. Vol. 2 Page 76
Increased from 57:22
Increased from 57:22 to 100.00
J. Parker Munch 1843

State of New York Orange County ss I, Albert J. Norton, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas in and for said County do hereby certify that Horace W Elliott whose name is subscribed to the foregoing declaration of Margaret Elder, and the affidavit of James Elder & the Certificate following the same, was at the day therein mentioned, a Judge of the said Court in and for the said County; And further that I am well acquainted with the handwriting of the said Judge, and verily believe that the signature to the said declaration, affidavit and Certificate is genuine. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the said County, the 5 th day of September 1838
A. J. Norton Clerk

In pursuance of a law passed the 27th of April, 1784, entitled "An act for the settlement of the pay of the Levies and Militia, for their services in the late War, and for other purposes therein mentioned," the following certificates have been issued, bearing interest at five per cent per annum, viz :
  1781. Nov. 15. Joseph Elder. Sergt. 10 18 8   " Augst. 23. " " Priv. 1 12 " 
STATE OF NEW-YORK,
COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, Albany, April 2 1842
I hereby certify the above to be true extracts from Book No. 1. now remaining in this office, and that the service for which the certificates above named were issued, were performed under the following officers, viz :
  First—under Capt. Henry Bruster in Col. Genl. Frederick Weissenfeld Regt.   Second, " " " " " " " "   Third, " " " " "   Fourth, " " " " "   Fifth, " " " " "   Sixth, " " " " "   Seventh, " " " " "   Eighth, " " " " "   Ninth, " " " " "   Tenth, " " " " " 
Philip Phelps Dep Comptroller

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State of New York Sullivan County } ss
On this 1 st day of April 1843 personally appeared before me the undersigned one of the Judges of the court of Common pleas in and for the County of Sullivan in said state Margaret Elder a resident of Orange County near and adjacent to Sullivan County aged 77 years who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on her Oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the Provision made by the Act of Congress passed March 3 d 1843 entitled an Act granting half Pay and Pensions to certain widows that she is the widow of Joseph Elder deceased a late resident of Orange County who was a soldier and served as such in the War of the Revolution. She further states that she applied for a Pension under the Act of Congress passed July 7 th 1838 and drew a five year Pension at the Rate of Eighty Dollars per Annum and that she has not intermarried but continues the Widow of the aforesaid Joseph Elder Sworn to and subscribed by me this 1 st day of April 1843 Samuel G. Diment R Judge of Sullivan Com Pleas Margaret Elder mark

State of New York 3 Sullivan County } ss
personally appeared before me the undersigned one of the Judges of said county Joseph Ellis a resident of said county aged 52 years & made Oath and states that he is personally ac- quainted with Margaretta Elder and that he knows she was a pensioner of the United States and drew a Pension at the rate of Eighty Dollars per annum under the Act of Congress passed July 7 th 1838 and that she has not intermarried but continues the Widow of Joseph Elder the her late husband and that she is still a resident of Orange County Sworn and Subscribed before me Joseph Ellis This 4 th day of April 1843 Samuel G. Dunning R. Judge of Sullivan Com. Pleas
I hereby certify that I am acquainted with the above named Joseph Ellis & believe him to be entitled to full credit & belief Samuel G. Dunning R. Judge of Sullivan Com. Pleas

I Henry W. Hovell, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of the County of Sullivan, Certify that Samuel G. Dimmick is a Judge at above, and that the foregoing signature, purporting to be his, is genuine. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto affixed My Seal of Office, and subscribed My Name, this 2 nd day of May in the year 1843—
Henry W. Hovell Clerk of the Court of Com. Pleas of Sullivan County
1904
Margaret Hovell
Anderson
Joseph Ellis Agent
Hoskinsburgh
Sullivan County NY
$80 per ann
Joseph Ellis
Bloomingburgh
N. York

I hereby certify that Margaret Elder is unable to attend Court on account of age & infirmities
Samuel G. D. Mitchell R Judge of Sullivan Court. P. H. G.

State of New York
Orange County
5 v Robert McCloud of Newburgh Crawford in said County being duly sworn says that he was aged eighty two years on the tenth day of April last. That he was a soldier in the Army of the Revolution & in the month of June in the year 1776 this deponent was called into the service of the United States as a private soldier for the term of five months & belonged to a company of Militia of said State of which James Milliken was Captain Alexander Beatty was the first & James Howell the second Lieutenants. That said Company belonged in said service to Col. Pawling's Regiment & was attached to Genl. James Clinton's Brigade that Oakes Suydam of Kingston was the adjutant of said Regiment That said Company rendezvoused at Newburgh in Orange County & were conveyed from thence to Redbankhill in sloops & were there landed & then march on foot to Kings bridge & there remained until after the British Army took the City of New York. & were then joined by the American troops from the city & were marched to White Plains & were present when Genl. McDougall's Regiment was attacked at White Plains by the British troops that this deponent remained in said Company at White Plains until the five month term for which he was called out expired but in consequence of the British constantly threatening to attack the inhabitants along the Hudson river the Militia were re- turned thence until the British returned to New York. That the said company was then marched from White Plains to Fort Constitution where he was discharged having served near six months under a call for five months

That among all said service this deponent was well acquainted with Joseph Elder then of Orange County who was a private in said company & this deponent knows that said Joseph Elder served in the aforesaid company at the time & place aforesaid near six months and was discharged at Fort Constitution at the same time with this deponent. That he was well acquainted with said Elder both before & after the war of the Revolution and knew him until the time of his death. And that he is now well acquainted with Margaret the widow of said Elder & knows that she has remained a widow ever since the death of said Joseph Elder & further says not Sworn before me this { Robert McLoughan 6 th day of April 1838 } (H. Armstrong, Justice of the Peace
I certify that I am well acquainted with Robert McLoughan who made the foregoing affidavit before me & that I know him to be a man of truth & veracity & entitled to full credit (H. Armstrong Justice of the Peace

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State of New York Orange County } p Matthew Cleawater of the Town of Montgomery in said County being duly sworn says, at  that in the latter part of the months of summer of the year 1780. this deponent enlisted into a company of which Drake was captain — Regner was the first & — Belong was the second lieutenant. that said company enlisted for the term of three months. that said company rendezvoused soon after said enlistment at Montgomery in the now county of Orange & from thence march- ed to New Windsor & there embarked on a board of a sloop & went to Albany from thence said company marched to Schen- ectady Stone Roby. Germantown Flatts & Fort Stoney then returned to Germantown Flatts & from thence back to Stone Roby where said company was discharged that the greater part of this service was done at Stone Roby. that this company belonged to Col. Ralstons regiment Infantry. During all the aforesaid term of service this deponent was well ac- quainted with Joseph Elder late of Orange County aforesaid. that said Elder was a private in said Drakes com- pany & served the aforesaid term of three months at the places aforesaid & was discharged at Stone Roby. that this deponent was acquainted with said Elder until the time of his death which sworn before me this 15 th day of March 1888. Matthew C. Cleawater of March 1888. The words "month of" } & "which" erased before signing.
Before me Justices of the Peace

I the Undersigned Justice of the Peace before whom the aforesaid affidavit of Matthew Clearwater was made & subscribed. Do certify that I am well acquainted with him & know him to be a man of truth & veracity & his statements entitled to full credit. (H. Armstrong Justice of the Peace
State of New York
Orange County ss
I Albert J. Benton, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas in and for the said County Do hereby Certify that Horace Armstrong whose name is subscribed to the foregoing affidavits of Robert M. Clonchan and Matthew Clearwater and the Certificates following the same, was at the several times therein mentioned, a Justice of the peace in and for said County; and further that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of said Justice, and verily believe that the signature to the said affidavits and Certificates is genuine - In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the said County the 5 th day of September 1838 - A. J. Benton Clerk

State of New York Orange County
Be it known that before me Hiram Elson one of the Justices of the peace in and for said County. Personally appeared (Doct Andrew King son of Rev d Andrew, King formerly Pastor of the Good Will Presbyterian Church in the town of Montgomery County aforesaid who being duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath say that he is in possession of the records of said Church purporting to be the Records of Marriages and that it appears from said records that Joseph Elder and Margaret Thompson were married on the Thirteenth of September Seventeen Hundred and Eighty Three
The above named Doct Andrew King son of Rev d Andrew King formerly Pastor of the Good Will Presbyterian Church in the Town of Montgomery aforesaid do certify that the above is a true transcript of the entry of Marriages on record in my possession with the exception of the dates which are in fair legable figures as follows September 13 th 1783
Subscribed and sworn — = April 1838 before me this 25 th day of Hiram Elson Justice
Andrew King

I the undersigned justice of the Peace before
I certify that the within deponent is entitled to full credit and belief since 25th 1838
William E. Dwyer
Justice
State of New York
Orange County ss
I Albert J. Benton Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County of Orange Do hereby certify that William E. Dwyer before whom the foregoing affidavit was subscribed and sworn, and who subscribed the above certificate was at the time of taking the said affidavit & subscribing the said certificate a Justice of the peace in and for the said County: And further that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Justice, and verily believe that the signature to the said affidavit & Certificate is genuine — In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the said County the 13 th of September 1838
Widow Dwyer
A. J. Benton. Clerk