Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 13,062, John Fobes, Mass.

SERVICE
Mass.
Jobes, John
NUMBER
S. 13.062
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CONTENTS
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N 20630 New York John Jones
Launce in the State of New York who was a Private in the Comp commanded Captain Pomeroy of the Reg commanded Col. Eldon in the M o p o t o for 13 Months
Inscribed on the Roll of New York the rate of 13 Dollars 33 Cents per annum. commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 26 day of Sep 1833 and to Ellen W o Baldwin Potsdam
Arrears to the 4th of Ap '33 $ 108 33 Pemi-ant. allowance ending 4 M '34 21 66 $ 129 99
Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7, 1832.
Issued by S. L. Styles Clerk. E. Vol. 1. Page 100

Dead
Paid at the Treasury under of the Act of the 7 th April 1838 not from 4. Sep 1841. to 22 nd Jany by 1842. Agts notified 20 Sep 1844 by in
Let. to G. P. Hobbs in Jany 19. 1850
See rejected file no. 3646 in regard to letter of G. P. Hobbs.
V. L. M. June 5. 1906

In the matter of the application for a pension by John Fobis.
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Adm Bmo pri 43.33
Allen & Bald co. agents Potsdam, St. Law. county, N.Y.

in open Court & C. S. J. P. We George Wilkinson a clergyman re- siding in the town of Potsdam in the County of St Lawrence & State of New York, do hereby certify that John Willis, of the same town, one of the Judges of the Court of Com- mon Pleas of said County, hereby certifies that we are well acquainted with John Fobes who has subscribed & sworn to the above Declaration, and we believe him to be about twenty years of age, that he is reputed and believed in the neighbor- hood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.  George W. Wilkinson John Willis   sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid 
J. S. M. CLK
And the said Court do hereby certify that declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogato- ries prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states, and the said Court further certifies, that it appears to them that George Wilkinson, who has signed the pre- ceding certificate, is a clergyman, residing in the town of Potsdam aforesaid, and that John Willis who has also signed the same is one of the Judges of said Court of common Pleas.

I, Alvin C. Low, clerk of the Court of Common Pleas aforesaid, and of said County of St. Lawrence, do hereby certify, that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the application of John Fobes for a pension. And I further certify that Horace Allen, before whom the following affidavits of Gober Healy and Ansel Bailey were taken was, at the time when said affidavits appear to have been taken, a justice of the peace of said county of St. Lawrence, and that his signature thereto are his own hand writing.
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this twenty fifth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two.
A. C. Low CLK

At Louisa County ss: I Helen C. Low the Clerk of said County, certify that the annexed annexed papers are the same as returned from the Pension Office in the case of John Fobes application for a pension, except the cost of affida- vit of the said Fobes, - that Horace Allen, before whom the said affidavit purports to have been taken was at
the date thereof a justice of the peace of said County, and that his signature to the record is genuine. that through inadvertence the ends of the tape were omitted to be put under the seal of formally annexed - Witness my hand and seal of office the 16 th day of June 1833
A. Womack

day of July
State of New York } ss I, Elias Healey of the St Lawrence County } town of Poinsettia in the County & State aforesaid being sworn saith, that he is well ac- quainted with the above named John Foles and has examined his foregoing declaration and says that he was well knowing to the first mentioned term of enlistment therein mentioned, and that this Deponent enlisted at the same place and at the same time, & for the same term of service, and in the same Company with the said John Foles, at that enlistment, but that this Deponent became unable, from a bodily hurt, to perform any part of such term of service, and therefore did not enter upon the same but he well remembers the said John Foles being about properly & upstanding upon the same service, and remembers various incidents thereof, being related to this Deponent by the said John Foles after his return, they both residing when at home in the same town, and has no doubt that the said John Foles served during the length of the time & in the man- ner by him in his said declaration first above stated but cannot recollect the length of time thereof. And this Deponent further saith that his recollec- tion is the same with respect to the period of service by the said John Foles in his said decla- ration secondly above stated, except that this Deponent did not enlist with him nor know of his enlistment. And this Deponent further saith that he was well knowing to the said term of service by the said John Foles in his said declaration thirdly above stated, and enlisted at the same time & place for the same period, in the same, & served in the same Com-

hang with the said John Fobes, during the same period of proven.
Given this 24 th day of September in 1832, before me Horace Allen Justice of the Peace I certify that I know the deponent, and that he is a credible person. Horace Allen Justice of the Peace
James H. Hasty
State of New York } ss Ansel Bailey of Pots- St Lawrence County } dam in the County of St Lawrence, late one of the judges of the Court of Common Pleas of said County, and aged about Fifty years, being sworn to the effect that he was a native of the town of Chesterfield named in the above description of John Fobes, that he has always from his youth known the said John Fobes, and always understood that he was a soldier in the war of the Revolution, and often heard his, this deponent's father, now deceased, speak of him (in his lifetime) as such soldier, and he is and always has been since this deponent has known him, been reputed & believed to have been such soldier, and this deponent has no doubt of such fact.
Ansel Bailey
Given this 24 th day of September 1832, before me Horace Allen, Justice of the Peace.
I the said Justice do also certify that the above named Ansel Bailey is a credible person.
Horace Allen Justice of the Peace
State of New York } ss John Fobes named as the St Lawrence County } applicant in the above description being sworn, saith by way of the

announcing the same that he was born in the town of Bridgewater in the County of Plymouth & State of Massachusetts, on the 4 th day of November A.D. 1781; that he never knew of any record of his age, except in the family bible of his parents which he supposes, if preserved, remains in the town of Shoreham Vermont, that at such of the times when he was called into entered the service of the United States, as specified in the said Declaration, he resided at the town of Chesterfield in the County of Hampshire in the State of Massachu- setts, that during the Revolutionary war he resided at Chesterfield onward when continued to reside until he removed from thence to Shoreham Vermont where he lived until he removed to Pinedam in the said County of St. Law- rence where he has ever since resided and still resides; and further that this Deponent is well acquainted with George Wilkinson and John Wiley and Aunt Bradley of his neighborhood and who have made Affidavits above to which they have respectively subscribed. Given this 15 th day of June John Fobes 1833 before me Horace Allen Justice Peace

Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7. 1832.
State of New York } ss On this 24 th day of St Lawrence County } September A.D. 1832, personally appeared in open Court, before the Court of Common Pleas of the County and State aforesaid, being a Court of Record now sitting, John Folsom, of a resident of the town of Rotterdam in the County of St Lawrence aforesaid, aged seventy years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7. 1832.
That he entered the service of the United States at the following times, and under the following named officers, and served as herein stated: That he enlisted the month of June in the year 1778, at the town of Chesterfield in the County of Hampshire, in the State of Massachusetts, in Captain Daniel Pomeroy's Company (who belonged in Northampton) and marched thence with his said Captain to the City of Albany in the State of New York, where the Company first became full, that he remained there during until he and his said Company was discharged, being at the expiration of four months from the said time of his enlistment, being two months short of the full term of such enlistment; that only two companies (as he believes) were stationed at Albany during the term of his said service, and that their general duty was that of Rivington Guard; that he was in no engagement. He received no written discharge from his said service.

Subsequent the last of June in the year In the Spring of 1779, he again enlisted at the same place as aforesaid, for the period of six months, and went directly to Providence in the State of Rhode Island, and joined Captain Wood- Bridges Company and Colonel Jacob's Regiment; and then performed his said full term of six months service, his principal duty being that of keeping guard - also that about the first of July in the year 1780, he again enlisted at Char- terfield aforesaid, for the term of three months, proceeded to the town of Worthington and there joined a small party, and went thence to the town of Canajoharie in the State of New York, and there joined Captain Sheldon's Company, and went thence to West Point, and then joined Colonel Murray's Regiment under General Arnold, and there served out the full period of his said last mentioned term of enlistment, when all the militia at that place were discharged by a gen- eral order of General Washington (as he believes) that he received no written discharge and believes the rest of the militia did not receive any; that he was at West Point at the time of General Arnold's Treason, was never in any present engagement. This Claimant has no direct proof to his knowledge of any of his said service, except the proof hereunto sub- joined, that his and no other unless some of his relations residing at a distance should some from him, & younger than himself, should remember his going from home & being absent professedly on the business of such service, and whether they do remember it or not he does not know & is not informed.
This Claimant hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity, except the pen- sion, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any State. Since the age he lives about 20 years at Shoham Vt. in 1805 he moved to Otis Conn where he has lived ever since. John Fobbs
24 th day of September, 1832.

No. 14597
John Fobes. St Lawrence County. New York
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P. 388
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Allen J Baldwin Potsdam NY A. C. Low clerk St Law rence County Court New York

County of St Lawrence  BRIEF in the case of John Fober of St Lawrence in the State of New York (Act 7th June, 1832.)
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? about  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?  3. How old is he? 70  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days.     Enlisted In 1778 June 4 Private Gen. Capt Pomeroy   " 1779 June 6 " " Woodbridge Col Jacob   Enlisted - 1780 July 1 3 " " Sheldon Col Murray  
 5. In what battles was he engaged? None  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Hampshire Co Mass  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Traditional evidence, living witnesses  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? The papers not attached as the regulations require 
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
Dyer Castor Examining Clerk.

February 10, 1940.
Mr. Roger F. Williams 2 Rock Street Alexandria Bay, New York
BA-J/ADY John Fobes S.13062
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter relative to John Fobes, a soldier of the Revolutionary War.
The data contained herein were obtained from the papers on file in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S.13062, based upon the military service in that war of John Fobes.
John Fobes was born November 4, 1761, in Bridgewater, Plymouth County, Massachusetts. The names of his parents are not shown.
While a resident of Chesterfield, Hampshire County, Massachusetts, John Fobes enlisted in June 1778, and served four months as private in Captain Daniel Pomeroy's Massachusetts Company. He enlisted in June 1779, and served six months as private in Captain Woodbridge's Company, Colonel Jacobs' Massachusetts Regiment. He enlisted July 1, 1780, and served three months as private in Captain Sheldon's Company, Colonel Murray's Massachusetts Regiment.
After the Revolutionary War he lived in Shoreham, Vermont, about twenty years, and in 1805, he moved to Potsdam, New York.
He was allowed pension on his application executed September 24, 1832, at which time he was a resident of Potsdam, St. Lawrence County, New York.
He died January 22, 1942, leaving his widow, Electa Fobes, her age not given. There are no further family data:
Very truly yours
A. D. MILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, BUREAU OF PENSIONS.
Washington, D. C., _____, 19_____
In reply to your request of _____, received _____ for a statement of the military history of John Jobes. 5713062. a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pen- sion on file in this Bureau.
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     June 1778 4 mos Pvt. Daniel Pomeroy ✓ Mass.   June 1779 6 mos " Woodbridge Jacob   July 1 1780 3 mos. " Sheldon Murray.  
Battles engaged in, None stated.
Residence of soldier at enlistment, Chesterfield, Hampshire Co., Mass.
Date of application for pension, Sept. 24 1832. His claim was allowed.
Residence at date of application, Potsdam, St Lawrence Co., N.Y.
Age at date of application, 70, born Nov. 4, 1761 in Bridgewater Plymouth Co. Mass.
Remarks: Soldier died Jan. 22 1842, his widow Electa, was alive in 1843. There is no further family data.
Respectfully,
Commissioner.

2 Rock St. Alexandria Bay, N.Y. January 25, 1946
Veterans Bureau Washington D.C. Gentlemen:—
John Fobes was a Veteran of the American Revolution. The Pension Census of 1840 finds him drawing a Pension for his services while a resident of Potsdam, St Lawrence Co. N.Y. He was then aged 78.
If your records show such information I would greatly appreciate an Abstract of his Pension Papers. I would like his War Record, about his wife or wives and any family data. I trust you will rush this through. Thank you, Sincerely, Roger F. Williams

Per Supt.
Van Wert, Ohio.
Feb. 17, 1921
Comm. of Pensions Washington D.C. Dear Sir.
Can you send me a copy of the revolutionary war record of my great grandfather
John Fobes M.B.H.S.F 13062 and his father
Edward Fobes. I think both were from Shoreham Vt.
Yours Truly
Harry E. Fobes
514 W. Main St.

84
(THIS SIDE OF CARD IS FOR ADDRESS ONLY)
Pension Bureau Rev War Pensions Washington D.C.
Rev Sec

Will you send me copy of papers granting pension to John Fobes - born in Chesterfield Mass 1761 This is recorded in M. He. B - S. F. 13062 Rev. War records.
Very Truly
Mrs Clara Dilano
E. Shurham H.

7 Faribault, Minnesota. April 14-1914.
Department of the Interior, Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir:
Will you kindly send me the Revolutionary war record of John Tobes, who enlisted at Chesterfield, Hampshire Co., Mass. Also Percy Tobes who was a volunteer in the American Revolution. I do not know where he enlisted.
Very respectfully, (Miss) Lucile Tobes 906 Central Ave. Faribault, Minn. C

Marshall State High School
Marshall, Minnesota,
Sept. 15,
1913.
Commissioner of Pensions,
Washington, D.C.,
Dear Sir:-
I have in my possession a certificate which reads as follows:-
WAR DEPARTMENT. Revolutionary Claim. I certify that in conformity with the law of the United States of the 7th June, 1832, John Fobes of the State of New York who was a private in the Revolutionary ARMY-is entitled to receive Forty three dollars and Thirty-three cents per annum during his natural life, commencing on the 4th of March, 1831, and payable semiannually on the 4th of March and the 4th of September, in every year.
Given at the War Office of the U.S. this 28 day of September one thousand eight hundred and thirty three.
Examined and Countersigned. John L. Edwards Com. of Pensions.
John Robb, acting Secretary of War.
John Fobes lived in Chesterfield County, Mass. in 1783. In 1785 he lived in Shoreham, Vt. By 1803 he was living in Potsdam, N.Y.
From the information given can you direct me how to find the war record of John Fobes?
Very truly yours,
M. P. Fobes

Reuben
13.062 ✓ INVALID.
File No. 13.062
John Tobes Rev Boer War
Act: June 7 th 1832
Index:—Vol. _____, Page _____
[Arrangement of 1870.]

June 18/84 Will & Hirt to Mrs. A. Post 32 Nassau St. New York City 1906 May 22. So Aud Int. for date of death rec.
1913. Sept 24. Hirt to Mr. M. P. Fols M.R.R.
1914. Apr 28: Hirt to Miss. Lucile Fols M.R.R.
1915 Oct 1. Hirt to Mrs. Clara Delano. M.B.H.
1921 Mar. 24. Hirt to H. E. Hobbs
1940 Feb. 10. Hirt to Roger Williams. A.P.Y.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT,
Washington, May 25 th 1906.
The Commissioner of Pensions.
Sir: In reply to your letter of 22 nd inst, in case of John Fobes, Certificate #20.650 Albany Agency, Rev. War, Act. 32 Roll, you are informed that, according to the latest account rendered by the U. S. Pension Agent, the records of this office show payment to have been made at $43 32 per 12 months to 22 January 1842. date of death. Payment was made under Act 6 April 1838, 11 December 1843 to the widow Electa Fobes.
Letter herewith returned.
W. Respectfully,
Robert S. Person.
Auditor.
By
[Handwritten signature: J. P. Person]

3-397. (Old No. 3-399.)
O. W. and N. Div
Division.
Aut. Ex'r.
In file no. 13062
Department of the Interior,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS,
John Tobes Rev. War.
Washington, D. C., May 22, 1906
SIR:
For use in the above-entitled claim for pension, you are requested to furnish this Bureau with a report in the case of
John Tobes pensioned under the Act of June 7, 1832 by certificate no. 20650 issued Sept. 26, 1833, New York Agency, showing date of last payment, to whom paid and date of death of John Tobes.
Very respectfully,
V. Warner.
Commissioner.
THE AUDITOR FOR THE INTERIOR DEPARTMENT,
Treasury Department.
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11 Dec 43
Died 22 Jany 42 p. Aut. 6 apic Vol E. fol. 281

TREASURY DEPARTMENT,
SECOND COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE,
Dec. 12 th 1843,
Sir:
Under the act of the 6th of April, 1838, entitled "An Act directing the transfer of money remaining unclaimed by certain Pensioners, and authorizing the payment of the same at the Treasury of the United States," and the third section of the Act of August 23, 1842, extending the time within which pensioners may receive their pensions from the pension agents, The widow of John Fobes, decd., a Pensioner on the Roll of the Albany, N.Y. Agency, at the rate of Forty Three Dollars and 33 Cents per annum, under the law of the 7 th June 1832, has been paid at this Department, from the 4 th of Sept. 1841, to the 22 nd Jan'y 1842,  Respectfully, yours,
William H. P. 25  Comptroller.
To the COMMISSIONER OF PENSIONS, Present.

BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of John Fobbs which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832?
VIII. Has the Court given their opinion?
IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate?
X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal?

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service?
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it?
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had?
XIV. †If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service?
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? No as to one
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct?
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?
XVI. ‡Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? No
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?
1. 2. 3. 7.
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeh and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.