Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 3,580, Samuel Fisk, Conn.

SERVICE
NUMBER
Conn.
Fisk, Samuel
R 3,580
CONTENTS

15,886
Samuel Fisk
Otsego county N. York
Deserted 1 July 1780
Horace Lathrop Esq Unadilla New York
1. Where did he reside when he entered the service of the Continental Army? 2. In what battles was he engaged? 3. When did he receive his discharge? 4. Where did he reside after the war? 5. What was his occupation? 6. How did he spend his days? 7. When did he die? 8. Where did he die? 9. How old was he at the time of his death? 10. What was the cause of his death? 11. Where was he buried? 12. Who were his parents? 13. Who were his siblings? 14. Who were his cousins? 15. Who were his aunts and uncles? 16. Who were his grandparents? 17. Who were his great-grandparents? 18. Who were his great-great-grandparents? 19. Who were his great-great-great-grandparents? 20. Who were his great-great-great-great-grandparents?
1. In his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by
2. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication; and if so, in what respect?
3. (1811) Did the proposed statement and the annexed papers agree with the evidence in the case above?
Witnesses:

BRIEF in the case of Samuel Fisk  of Otsego county in the State of New York  (Act 7th June, 1832.)
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? court  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?  3. How old is he? 74  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days. As a Gen.     Conscript In 1777 3 2 Private Capt Callen, Col. Miags    Refers to the rolls of Col. Miags, Reg.
 5. In what battles was he engaged? White Plains, Monmouth  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Pomfret, Connecticut  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Nothing  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? correct 
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
A. H. Bradford. Examining Clerk.

Samuel Stick
Apr 26. 11.
15880
✓
3580

State of New York } Otsego County } _____
On this tenth  fifteenth day of October in the year 1832 personally appeared in Open Court before the Judges of the Court of Com o Pleas in and for the said County of Otsego now sitting Samuel Fisk aged seventy four years a resident of the Town of Otsego in the County of Otsego State of New York who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on his Oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the Benefit of the Act of Congress pass d the 7 th of June 1832 - That he entered the Service of the United States under the following named Officers and served as herein stated That he Enlisted at Pomfret in the State of Connecticut in the spring of the year 1777 (he thinks on the 8 th of May) in the 3 d Company Commanded by Capt n Martin Cather in the 6 th Regiment Commanded by Colonel Return J. Meigs Esquire in the Continental line for the term of three years - And that he served out the said term and about two months over and was discharged at Springfield in the State of New Jersey in the Month of July 1780 by Gen l Samuel H. Parsons Esquire - That he was in the Battles of White Plains and Monmouth etc.
That he has no Documentary Evidence & knows of no person now living to prove his said services. That he had a discharge but has lost it long ago but he saith that Evidence may be seen by the Rolls of Col o Meigs Regiment that he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the Agency of any State & refers to the rolls of Col o Meigs Reg t for Evidence and to Abigail Packard Esq o & Deacon Dan l Knap for evidence of his Divinity
Sworn to & subscribed the day & year aforesaid in open Court
Samuel Fisk
Horace Lathrop. Clerk.
And the said Court do hereby declare their Opinion that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier and served as he states
J. D. Morgan } Judges E. Root } S. Page }
State of New York } Otsego County } _____
I Horace Lathrop, Clerk of the Court of Com o Pleas in and for Otsego County do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the Application of Samuel Fisk for a pension - In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of Office this 19 th day of October 1832.
Horace Lathrop. Clerk.

August 23, 1935
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Samuel Fisk-R.3580 BA-J/AWF am
Eugene C. Fisk 36 State Street Oneonta, New York
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request information in regard to Samuel Fisk, soldier of the Revolution, who lived in Otego, Otsego County, New York.
The data furnished herein were obtained from the papers on file in pension claim, R. 3580, based upon the service of Samuel Fisk in the Revolutionary War.
The date and place of birth of Samuel Fisk are not shown in the claim, nor are the names of his parents given.
stated He applied for pension, October 15, 1832, while residing in Otego, Otsego County, New York, and aged seventy-four years; he alleged that he enlisted in Pomfret, Connecticut, May 8, 1777, served in Captain Martin Catlin's company (probably meant for Martin Kirtland) in Colonel Return J. Meigs' 6th Connecticut regiment, that he was in the battles of White Plains and Monmouth and that he was discharged in July, 1780 in Springfield, New Jersey.
The claim was not allowed, as it was shown on the rolls of the military organization in which he claimed to have served, that he deserted in 1780.
There are no data as to his family.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator
See Conn. in the Rev. Page 710

1932- Feb 25- list. to Mrs. A. J. Bunk ans . 1985- Aug 22- list. to Eugene C. Fisk ans
Acts of July 14, 1862, and March 3, 1875.
REJECTED
5589 P.O. Samuel Fisk Service: _____
Enlisted: _____, 18 .
Discharged: _____, 18 .
Application filed: _____, 18 .
The printed list of 1852 shows reasons for rejection Alleges: _____
"He was a deserter" _____
Re-enlisted: _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract.
_____ Cert. of Dis. Searched for _____, 18 .

New York
at 7. June 1832
By  cut  for
Desertion
May 10 th 1833.
Let. to Hon. J. H. Prentiss
February 4 th 1840.
let to A. L. Dyer
Nov. 14 th 1846

Sam c Fisk pri. Col. Line - Bounty Land?
G. M. C.
The name of Sam c Fisk, is not returned on the records of the Connecticut line among those entitled to, or who have received, bounty lands from the U. States
M. G.

Sir
Jan 24 Nov. 10th, 46
In reply to your en- -quiry you are informed that the application of Saml. Fisk was rejected because the rolls (which may not be questioned) shew that he deserted in 1780 under an enlistment for the war and never rejoined his regiment
W. L. Lynde Esq. Warsaw N.Y.

Hon. J. H. Prentiss February 4, 1840
O. C.

War Dep En: off
Jan 4 40
Sir
I have the honor to return you the petition of a portion of the inhabitants of the County of Otago to the Congress asking a pension for Saml. Fish whose claim has been rejected under the act of 7 June '32 in consequence of an entry on the roll shewing his desertion - This evidence can not now be controverted by any inferior grade of parol testimony - and whatever may have been the circumstances, the Dept. is constrained to adhere to the established rules of evidence in holding the record to be conclusive against parol testimony.
Gen J. A. Prentiss H. R.

J. L. Edwards Esq. Washington
Dec

Warsaw New York
October 19. 1846
J. L. Edwards Esq Dr Sir
Samuel Fish applied for a pension some years since and E. H. Beech of Modellio Otsego County New York was his attorney The Claim was suspended Will you do me the favor to furnish me with copies of the correspondence in this case and such other statements in regard to the Claim as will enable me to decide as to the practicability of establishing it
Very respectfully Yours
A. L. Lynde

BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims , of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Samuel Fisk of Otsego county, N.Y. which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? yes III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? yes V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? yes VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? yes VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? yes VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? yes IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? yes X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? yes

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? No XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? No XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? yes XIV. † If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? XVI. † Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? yes XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? 1. 2. 3. 5.
 EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words: "Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
†QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
†QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
¶ In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

107 Stella Ave Kensmore, N. Y. Jan. 23, 1932
Commissioner of Pensions Dear Sir;
Would you please send me transcripts for the following pensions.
no. 3580 - Samuel Fiske (Revolutionary war)
no. 15751 - Daniel Bill . (Revolutionary war)
I understand there is no charge. If I am mis-informed, kindly advise me.
Yours truly
Mrs. A. J. Bush

36 State St., Oneonta, N.Y.
Veterans Administration, Washington, D.C.,
8 11
Gentlemen:
Can you give me any information for genealogical purposes concerning one
Samuel Fisk
who lived at Otsego, Otsego County, New York, in and after 1802, and who fought at Stony Point in the Revolutionary War.
Any information about his service, and relatives will be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Eugene C. Fisk

February 25, 1932
BA-J/AWF
Mrs. A. J. Bush 107 Stella Avenue Kenmore, New York
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter relative to Samuel Fisk, R. 3580, a soldier of the Revolutionary War.
The data contained herein are obtained from the papers on file in pension claim, R. 3580, based upon the Revolutionary War service of Samuel Fisk.
He applied for pension October 15, 1832, then a resident of Otsego, New York, aged seventy-four years, and alleged that he enlisted at Pomfret, Connecticut, May 8, 1777 and served in Captain Martin Catlin's (Kirtland) company in Colonel Reuben J. Meigs' Sixth Connecticut Regiment, that he was in the battles of White Plains and Monmouth and that he was discharged in July 1780 at Springfield, New Jersey. ex his certificate - military reg.
The claim was not allowed, as it was shown on the rolls on which he claimed to have served, that he deserted in 1780.
There are no data as to his family.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator
See Conn in Rev. Page 210-