Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 10,737, John Gifford, New York

SERVICE
New York.
Gifford, John
NUMBER
S. 10.737
CONTENTS.
carded.
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New York
John Gifford
Went to war in the State of New York who was a private in the Corp. commanded by Captain Sherwood of the Regt. commanded by Col. Raham in the N. York line for Full Term
Inscribed on the Roll of N. York at the rate of 80 Dollars 62 1/2 Cents per annum. commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 13 day of Apr. 1833 and unto J. Patterson Northampton
Arrears to the 4th of Sep. 33 $ 200 Pens. amt. allowance ending 4 Ma. 34 110 $ 310
Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7, 1832.
Recorded by G. A. Wells Clerk Book E. Vol. 4. Page 38
1871 July 23 - Gifford Mrs. Sen. DeKalb of Prior in pension writing
Died May 24, 1854 OK

14.453
John Giffen in 1st Montgomery 6 th NY Inf
Admitted Private 2 years 5.14.16. P. 393
May 14. 33.
John Patterson Northampton N.Y.

BRIEF in the case of John Gifford of Montgomery Co. in the State of New York (Act 7th June, 1832.)
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Open Court.  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?  3. How old is he? 72 years  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days.     Octob r In 1776 — 1777 — 1 28 Private Corporal Private Col d Dodge Capt Russell Col d Michenbacher " " " " " " " "   8 th Sept 1779 — (out) — 4 " Col d Hookwell   Sept — 1780 Prisoner two years & two months — " Col d Sherman Col d Grahame  
 5. In what battles was he engaged? None  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Washington Co. New York  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? By a living witness  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? Papers not attested or reg d ? 
X  Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
Richard Alcott
Examining Clerk.

State of New York and County of Montgomery —
On this 12 — day of September personally appeared in open court before Aaron Haring John Hand Samuel A. Gilbert the court of common pleas of the County of Montgom- ery now sitting John Gifford senior a resident of the town of Mayfield county of Montgomery and State of New York aged seventy two years who being first duly sworn accor- ding to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7 th 1832.
That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated
— In the year 1776 he entered the service of the United States in October in the militia; the regiment to which he belonged having been called out in Mass. the company in which he served was commanded by captain Cornelius Doty and lieutenant Nathaniel Lucas that he served in capacity of corporal; the regiment to which this company was attached lay in the town of Cambridge in the county of Washington and State of New York and was commanded by colonel Lewis Van Vort and major Austin, he continued in the service about four weeks when he was discharged, resided at the time he entered the service in the east part of the town of Cambridge in the county of Washington and State of New York within a half mile of the spot where Baur erected his breast work previous to the battle of Bennington; he never had a written discharge has no documentary evidence nor does he know of any living witness by whom he can prove this law of service — He next entered the service in the year 1777 some time in July, then lived in the present town of Pittstown in the county of Rensselaer and State of New York, was drafted and joined the army at fort Edward on the Hudson river; the company to which he was attached was commanded by captain Elisha Russell and lieutenants Thomas Brown and Joseph Gifford, ensign Jacob Vannys the colonel.

in command was John Krichibaeker and the majors name was John Van Rensselaer. From fort Edward he marched to fort George where he continued in the garrison until fort Ticonderoga was evacuated by St Clair, fort George was then evacuated and the garrison returned to fort Edward where general Schuyler discharged half of the militia and he was among the number who were discharged this tour of duty lasted about one month he has never had a written discharge has no documentary evidence of this tour of service nor does he know of any living witness by whom he can prove it, soon after he was discharged from the above service he joined a party under lieutenant Thomas Brown and was employed with little intermission in repelling the depredations of the Tories and in watching the enemy until after the defeat and surrender of Burgoyne's army, from that time to the year 1779 he was frequently called out on short tours of duty in small parties. In the year 1779 about the first of September Job Lums then in the service of the U States as one of the New York State troops enlisted for nine months and then on duty at Whitehall came to his residence in Hoosac district in the now county of Rensselaer and State of New York sick of the fever and ague, this deponent there took his place in the army and entered the service as substitute for said Lums about the 8th day of September under captain Levi Stockwell and lieutenant Thomas Bogs thinks there was no ensign but the names of the first and second sergeants were John Hunsdale and Thomas Miles, this company was stationed at Whitehall (for the purpose of watching the enemy on lake Champlain) where he remained with it about four months when its term of enlistment expired and he was discharged together with the rest receiving pay for their service in depreciated continental money, has no written discharge has no documentary evidence of this tour of service nor does he know of any living witness by whom he can prove it
In the year 1780 about the last of September he entered the service of the U States voluntarily and joined the New York State lines in the garrison of fort Ann in the county of Washington

and state of New York, the officers commanding this garrison were captain Dial Sherwood lieutenants Ezekiel Roberts and Seth Baldwin, no ensign first and second serjeants names were Samuel Gates and Daniel Earls this company belonged to Col Morris Grahams regiment, at fort Ann he remained til the tenth day of october when that place was invested by nine hundred British indians and Tories under the command of major Carlton, the fort capitulated and the garrison surren- dered as prisoners of war, from fort Ann he was taken (with the rest of the garrison) by the British to Glens falls where they lodged one night from thence to fort George which was also taken by the British where they remained until the middle of the next day when they were taken through the wilderness to Ticon- derog where they arrived on the fourth day, the next day, he (together with the other prisoners) was taken to Crown Point where they were kept two days from thence to a small island in lake Champlain called Millers bay Island from thence they were taken on board of the British gun boats and conveyed to the Isle above where they landed in the night and the next day were conveyed to fort St Johns in Canada where they were confined in an old leaky hull of a vessel without fire they were then next taken to Chambly and confined in the prison house from thence to Grants Island opposite Montreal where they arrived on the 23 rd of october and remained lying in boats about three weeks, when they were confined in a loathsome prison about one mile below Montreal suffering extremely for want of provision fuel and clothes, in this prison they remained closely confined till the third day of the succeeding october, he was then taken out with a part of the other prisoners and conveyed up the river St Laurence to a small island in the river called Catadack, where they remained closely guarded within pickets until the eighteenth day of october in the year 1782, they were then taken back to Montreal and from thence by water to Quebec where they arrived on the 23 rd of october, they were then placed on board of a British ship or cartel called the John the lying at anchor and bound to Boston to exchange prisoners, this vessel sailed on the 12 th day of november and arrived

at Boston on the 26 th day of the same month and this deponent landed on Dorchester point on the 28 th day of november from whence he travelled on foot to the town of Cambridge in the county of Washington and State of New York (subsisting on the charity of the people) in the said town of Cambridge he arrived (it being his place of residence) on the 7 th day of december in the year of our Lord 1782 having been absent two years and upwards of two months. After his return from captivity he was reported to the proper authorities and received pay for his service and captivity. He has a record of his age but has been informed by his parents that he was born on the 27 th day of august in the year 1760, that he was but little over sixteen years of age when he was first enrolled in the militia, he has no documentary evidence of his last service and captivity and knows of no living witness by whom he can prove it except Samuel Blawes who was taken at the the same time and imprisoned a long time with him but was exchanged before he was and returned as he was informed by Lake Champlain
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state. Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid John Gifford Senior in open court. Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk
We Aaron Simmons a clergyman residing in the town of Northampton and county of Montgomery — and John Patterson residing in the town of Northampton county of Montgomery aforesaid hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Gifford senior who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be seventy two years of age that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion
Aaron Simmons John Patterson
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid

in open court, Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk
1 st Where and in what year were you born I was born as I have been informed in the year 1760 in the county of Dutches stat of New York 2 Have you any record of your age and if so where is it
I have no record of my age except what I made myself when a young man from my parents information which record is in my bible at home
3 Where were you living when called into service where have you lived since the revolutionary war and where do you now live Answered I lived in the then district of Cambridge in the now county of Washington when I entered the service in the year 1776 in the year 1777 when I entered the service I lived with my brother in the present town of Potosi the county of Rensselaer and afterwards again returned to the district of Cambridge as aforesaid since the revolutionary war I have lived in Potosi the place of aforesaid about twenty eight years and in Montgomery county in the towns of Northampton and Mayfield about twenty one years
4 th How were you called into service were you drafted did you volunteer and was you a substitute Answered I was once called out on a raid with the regiment once drafted once a substitute and the last time I volunteered was a substitute for Job Lumms
5 th State the names of some of the regular officers who who were with the troops where you served such continental and militia regiments as you can recollect and the general circumstances of your service
Answered I never served in company with any regular troops only at Fort George and do not remember any of

names but the general who was Schyler I remembered one regiment in the service at Fort George commanded by colonel Panchae but remember none of their other officers. another regiment I think state troops and continental commanded by colonel Warner lay at Fort George I think there was a regiment of continental troops lay at Fort Edward on the Hudson commanded by colonel Livingston
6 Did you ever have a discharge answer No I never had a written discharge nor was it a practice to give the militia a written discharge State the names of some of the persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood who can testify to your charac- ter and veracity and their belief of your service as a soldier of the revolution
answer Aaron Simmons John Patterson Samuel A Gifford Joseph Brown Joseph Spier and others
And the said court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the said department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states. And the court further certifies that it appears to them that Aaron Simmons who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman residing in the town of Northampton and that John Patterson who has also signed the same is a resident of the town of Northampton of this county and is a credible person and that their statement is entitled to credit
I George D Ferguson clerk of the court of common pleas of the county of Montgomery do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the application of John Gifford for a pension In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 19 day of September 1832 Geo: D. Ferguson

April 17, 1939
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Mr. Howard V. Rulison 117 Dorset Road Syracuse, New York
JOHN GIFFORD S. 10737 BA-J/MLB
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter in which you requested the record of John Gifford, of the Town of Northampton, Fulton County, New York, who was a Revolutionary War pensioner in 1840, then aged seventy-nine years.
The record follows of the only John Gifford found in the Revolutionary War records of this office. The data therein were obtained from pension claim, S. 10737, based upon his service in the Revolutionary War.
John Gifford was born August 27, 1760, in Dutchess County, New York; the names of his parents are not shown in the claim.
While residing in the eastern part of Cambridge, Washington County, New York, John Gifford enlisted in October, 1776, served twenty-seven days as corporal in Captain Cornelius Doty's company, Colonel Lewis Van Woert's New York regiment. While residing with his brother (name not stated) in Pittstown, Rensselaer County, New York, he enlisted in July, 1777, served one month as private in Captain Elisha Russel's company, Colonel John Knickerbocker's New York regiment (one Joseph Gifford, whose relationship to the soldier was not stated, served as ensign with him in the same company). Soon after being discharged, he joined a party under Lieutenant Thomas Brown, was engaged in repelling the depredations of the Tories and in watching the enemy, and served with little intermission until after the defeat and surrender of Burgoyne. From that time to 1779, he was out on frequent short tours of duty, dates of service and names of officers not stated. About September 8, 1779, while residing in Hoosac District, Rensselaer County, New York, he enlisted and served four months as private in Captain Levi Stockwell's New York company at White Hall. He volunteered about the last of September, 1780, served as private in Captain Adiel Sherwood's company,

Colonel Morris Graham's New York regiment, and on October 10, at the surrender of Fort Anne, he was taken prisoner, carried to Canada, suffered severely en route, was placed in a prison near Montreal where he was confined until October 18, 1782; was then sent to Quebec, placed on the British Ship, "John", taken to Boston where he was exchanged November 28, 1782, and returned to his home in Cambridge where he arrived December 7, 1782.
After the Revolutionary War, the soldier lived in Cambridge, then Pittstown, New York, for about twenty-eight years, then in Northampton and Mayfield, Montgomery County, New York.
John Gifford was allowed pension on his application executed September 19, 1832, at which time he was residing in Mayfield, New York; he stated he had lived in Northampton and Mayfield about twenty-one years. At the time he applied for pension, he signed John Gifford, Senior. He died May 24, 1854.
No reference was made in the claim to wife or children of John Gifford.
In order to obtain date of last payment of pension, and name and address of the person paid, you should write to the Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, this city, and cite the following data: John Gifford, certificate #20499, issued September 15, 1833, rate $80 per annum, commenced March 4, 1831, Act June 7, 1832, New York Agency.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator

1933 Dec. 6 - Hst to Blanche P. Sturte - ALB 1939 Apr. 17 - Hst to Howard Nelson MRB
He has
10.737
✓ INVALID.
File No. 10.737
John Gifford Paid Poor War
Act: June 7 th 1832
Index: - Vol. A , Page 142
[Arrangement of 1870.]

State of New York and } County of Montgomery } ss
Samuel Blawins of the town of Mayfield county of Montgomery and State of New York being duly sworn according to law saith that he has been well acquainted with John Gifford signor (who now resides in the town of Mayfield county and State aforesaid) since ever since the year 1776 that he at that time and for several years with the exception of laboring some months from home subsequent reside in the then district of Cambridge near where Bauron erected his first work previous to the battle of Bennington and a near neighbor to this deponent, that in the autumn of the year 1776 he was absent from home and deponent was informed he was then in the military service as a soldier. That in the year 1779 the said John Gifford was again absent in the fall and part of the winter from his permanent residence which was in Cambridge as above stated and this deponent was then informed he was on duty as a soldier at White Hall. That in the year 1780 about the last of September the said John Gifford joined the garrison of Fort Ann where this deponent was then in the service that the fort was invested by the British under the command of major Carlton and the garrison surrendered as prisoners on the 10 day of October, that the said John John Gifford together with this deponent and others was then taken by the British first to Glens Falls thence to Fort George thence to Ticonderoga Crown Point St Johns Chamblee and Montreal where he remained in prison until the 3 rd day of October 1781 he was then taken up the river St Laurence together with this deponent and others to a small Island called Catadilack where he remained til the 10 th day of May 1782 when this deponent left him on the island (closely guarded) and returned home by the way of Lake Champlain and saw the said Gifford no more until the following December and was then informed he had but recently returned from his captivity by the way of Boston and further this deponent saith not.
Sworn & subscribed in Open Court
Samuel Blawins
Rev. David Lyman of the town of
Geo: D. Ferguson. Clerk.

I the undersigned was present at the time and was a member of the Court as one of the Judges thereof before whom the within named Samuel Blowers swore and subscribed the within Affidavit and that I am and have been for a number of years well acquainted with the said Samuel Blowers and do certify that the said Samuel Blowers sustains the character of a person of truth and veracity and is entitled to full credit as a witness May 27 th 1833 — Samuel A. Gilbert
State of New York Montgomery County, ss.
Clerk's Office. ss. I George D. Ferguson Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County do hereby certify that at the September term of said Court, in 1832 the within named Samuel Blowers, did
appear in Open Court before the Judges thereof & took & subscribed the within Oath. And I certify by the direction of the said Court, & as their Organ, that the said Court are of Opinion that Samuel Blowers within named is a resident of the town of Mayfield in said County & that he is a person of respectability & that his statement is entitled to Credit.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 28 th May 1833.
Geo: D. Ferguson
John Bufford, Esq.
14453.

Montgomery County ss
Personally appeared before me the undersigned a judge of the court of Common Pleas of the county of Montgomery John Gifford who being duly sworn deposeth and saith that by reason of old age and the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below and in the following grades. For twenty seven days in the year 1776 I served in the capacity of Corporal For one month in the year 1777 I served as a private For four months in the year 1779 I served as a private at White Hall. For twelve days in the year 1780 I served as a private in the garrison of Fort Ann where I was taken a prisoner by the British and remained with them as a prisoner two years one month and eighteen days making in the whole length of my service and captivity two years seven months and twenty seven days of which period I served twenty seven days as a corporal and for such service and captivity I claim a pension Sworn and subscribed this 27th day of May 1892 - before me John Gifford
Samuel A. Gilbert one of the Judges of Montgomery County Court

State of New York Montgomery County Clerk's Office, ss:
— I, George D. Ferguson Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County, do hereby certify that Samuel A. Gilbert Esq. before whom the within supplemental declaration of John Gifford purports to have been sworn, was on the date thereof a Judge of the said Court. And that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of said Judge & verily believe that the name of said Judge subscribed to said supplemental declaration is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of Office this 28th day, 1833.
Geo: D. Ferguson

Sara Gifford
 THE JOURNAL OF BIOLOGICAL CHEMISTRY 

BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims , of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of John Gifford Montgomery 6 th N.Y. Cav. which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? ut II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? ut III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? ut V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? ut VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? ut VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? ut VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? ut IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? ut X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? ut

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? Yes
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it?
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had?
XIV. † If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? Yes
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? No
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? Yes
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? Yes
XVI. † Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? No
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? Yes
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words: "Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
†QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
†QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
¶ In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

117 Dorset Road, Syracuse, N.Y. Feb. 27, 1939
Veterans Administration, Washington, D.C.
Gentlemen:-
John Gifford , of the Town of Northampton, Fulton Co., N.Y., was a Revolutionary Pensioner in 1840; age then stated as 79. I would like to ascertain from his application for pension, facts regarding his service, and any family records.
Very truly yours,
Edward W. Pulman

3014 East Sixth St. Kansas City, Mo. Nov. 24, 1935.
Mr A D Hiller I have a few Wash D.C. Dear Sir:-
I am seeking the Rev. service of the following men, to compile a family history, and for eligibility to the D.A.R.
ISRAEL MEAD, b. 1731 Dutchess Co. N.Y. d. 5 Mar. 1806, buried Kingsbury, N.Y. Son of Jonathan Mead, probably born Dutchess Co.
STEPHEN MEAD, b. 12 Mar. 1758, Washington Co. N.Y.; d. 27 Oct. 1 Kingsbury, N.Y., son of Israel Mead. Married that is Stephen m. Patience Farr, b. 28 Jan. 1758; d. 25 Jul 1834.
only one
John Gifford Joseph Gifford, m. Bessie Duell or Douell. Edwin or Francis Gifford married Eunice Mead, b. 1819, at Deruyter, N.Y. Chenango Co.
At present time I have no further information regarding these Giffords, but am in hopes of getting more definite information as to where they lived. If I do will send same to you.
Thanking you for any assistance that you may give me regarding these men, I am,
Very truly yours,
John Holtzclaw, b. Germany, their second son was Joseph Holtzclaw, b. abt. 1735, Prince William Co., Va. d. Fauquier Co., 1786; m. Catherine (Catty) James or Thomas. They had a son Eli b. 1771, m. Sarah Barnett.
John South m. Margaret Weldon Drake, dau of John Drake, who was supposed to have been a Rev. soldier. Said to be from N.J. Samuel South his son, m Martha (Sptay) Glover, dau of John Glove said to be a Rev soldier from Ky. I would think that this John Drake was also from Ky, his ancestors may have come from N. The enclosed is in some detail, as to what I know about these people.
B.S. Sturtz.
Noah Harris, who lived in Washington Co. N.Y. 1789 possibly buried at Sandy Hill now known as Hudson Falls, N.Y. whose dau
Mary m. Michael Mead, son of Stephen

Samuel
John South and another boy were sent on the trail of the men to inform the soldiers at Estill's Station that the Indians had been there and killed the daughter of Capt. Innes. This was the battle of "Little Mountain" or "Estills Defeat" Among those who survived was John South. of Montgomery Co, Kentucky. Samuel South was the son of John South
John South--David Cook or Forbes-- It is not clear which one commanded 3rd Division, as all three are called "Ensign" In John South He may have been given the title to distinguish him from his father, Lieut. John South
Ensign John South served in his father's company of packhorsemen on Col William Christian's expedition against the Cherokees in 1771. He also served with his father Capt John South in Capt. John Holder's company at or near Boonesboro 1779.
John South Jr and Sr also have records of land in Kentucky 1776.
the name of Lt. John South appears on the Kentucky State Military Monument
Brig Gen. Samuel South, 24 Dec. 1816. of Madison and Estill counties Ky.
John South served as member of the House of Representatives 1793-95-1799 and 1804. Fayette County, Ky.
Samuel South House of Rep. Madison Co. Ky. 1815-16-17. 1800 -1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13
John South Sr
John South Jr killed at 'Estills Defeat'
John South younger,
Those South in Capt. Holder's Co June 10, 1779 in Madison Co Ky.
Lt John South married Margaret Weldon Drake, dau of John Drake, who was supposed to be a Rev soldier of N.J.
Samuel South, the son of John South, married Martha (Patsy) Glover, daughter of John Glover, who was a Rev soldier.
The above are a part of the notes I have concerning John and Samuel South, who revolutionary records I would like to have from the War Department, if they have such.

Margaret
Margaet Drake, daughter of John Drake, married John South.
There is a Margaret Drake in same county that John South lived in, are there any Records concerning her.
John Drake was in Capt. Benj Logan's Co, In Linolon Co, ky, at or near Logan's station about 1779, also John Glover about the same time.
There was a John Glover in Fayetter Co., Ky, 1816. Who also had land on Salt river.
Martha Glover married Gen Samuel South.
Her father was John Glover, a soldier in the Rev war.
Do you have service for John Glover----John Drake of Kentucky.
Does ELI HOLTZCLAW HOLTZCLAW b. 20 Aug. 1771, in Fauquier Co. Va. married 8 Mar. 1792 Sarah Barnett; d. 20 Nov. 1848 in Fauquier Co have Rev service? b Matirvland co Va d 1848
What military service does Joseph Holtzclaw, the father of Eli have? He was b. around 1735 in Prince William county married Catherine (Caty), d. 1786.
Stephen Mead b. 12 Mar. 1758; d. 27 Oct. 1827 wife? Michael Mead b. 1784 d. Feb. 1867; wife Mary Eunice Mead b. 28 Feb. 1819; d. 1901, m. Edwin Gifford.
John Gifford At present have no more records of this man. Joseph Gifford, m. Busheba Duell or Deuell Edwin Gifford m Eunice Mead Chenango Co., N.Y.
STEPHEN MEAD---JOHN GIFFORD are two men who are bo th born in New York State. Do you have any Military records of men by those names?
I have no records of the wives of either John Gifford nor Stephen mead, he died 27 Oct. 1827
I wish to ascertain if John Gifford and Stephen Mead have any military service in the Revwar?
supposed to have been

3014 East Sixth St Kansas City, Mo. Nov. 8, 1933.
Director of Pensions, Veterans Administration. Washington, D. C.
Dear Sir:-
I am compiling a family history, for eligibility for membership in the D.A.R. I believe some of the members of this family have Rev. service.
✓ from Va to Kentucky.
Lieut. John South , was supposed to have come from Hagerstown Md to Va. married Maraget Weldon Drake, dau of John Drake, who was supposed to have service in New Jersey.
✓ South ser. may be in Kentuck records.
Samuel South, his son, m. Martha Glover, dau of John Glover, who is also supposed to have Rev service. in Va. or Ky.
Both of these SOUTH men are supposed to have mil. service in Va. or Ky. and I find these notes. in some Va records of mil service.
I.P.D. 144----John South
I.P.D. 65. 105 D--108--D. 130---Samuel South.
Eliza South, dau of Samuel South m. Richard Holtzclaw. This note I find, in regard one Jacob Holtzclaw , I.P.D. 79. from Va.
On the paternal side appear the names of Mead and Gifford.
✓ John Gifford from the state of New York.
✓ Joseph Gifford m Busheba Duell
Edwin Gifford m Eunice Mead.
John and Joseph one or both may have had Rev service.
Stephen Mead b. 1758 had a son Michael b. 1784. These Meads are also supposed to have come from New York state.
I shall appreciate any information that you may be able to give me concerning these men, thanking you, I am,
Very respt. yours,
Blanche S. Sturtz

VETERANS ADMINISTRATION WASHINGTON
November 15, 1933
YOUR FILE REFERENCE
IN REPLY REFER TO:
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Blanche S. Sturtz 3014 East Sixth Street Kansas City, Missouri
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter of November 8, in which you request information relative to John and Samuel South, Jacob Holtzclaw, John, Joseph and Edwin Gifford, and Stephen Mead, soldiers of the Revolutionary War.
Revolutionary War data furnished by this office are obtained from claims for pension and bounty land made to the United States, based upon military service of soldiers in that war.
A careful search of the records fails to show a claim for pension or bounty land on file on account of the Revolutionary War service of John or Samuel South, Joseph or Edwin Gifford, or Jacob Holtzclaw.
In order to identify the records of the particular soldiers named John Gifford and Stephen Mead in whom you are interested, should they be on file, as much as possible of the following data in regard to each should be given: approximate dates of birth and death, places of residence at enlistment and after service and given name of widow.
Please return these letters with your reply.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator

December 6, 1953
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Blanche S. Sturtz 3014 East Sixth Street Kansas City, Missouri
JOHN GIFFORD S. 10737 BA-J/MLB
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War records of Isreal Mead, Stephen Mead and John Gifford, soldiers of the Revolutionary War.
Revolutionary War data furnished by this office are obtained from claims for pension and bounty land made to the United States based upon military service of soldiers in that war.
A careful search of the records fails to show such claims on file on account of the Revolutionary War service of either Isreal or Stephen Mead (under any spelling of the name) as described by you.
You are furnished below the history of John Gifford, the only soldier of that name found in the Revolutionary War records of this office.
John Gifford was born August 27, 1760, in Dutchess County, New York; the names of his parents are not shown in the claim.
While residing in the eastern part of Cambridge, Washington County, New York, he enlisted in October, 1776, served twenty-seven days as corporal in Captain Cornelius Doty's company, Colonel Lewis Van Woert's New York regiment. While residing with his brother (name not given) in Pittstown, Rensselaer County, New York, he enlisted in July, 1777, served one month as private in Captain Elisha Russel's company, Colonel John Knickerbocker's New York regiment (one Joseph Gifford, whose relationship to soldier was not stated, served as ensign with him in the same company). Soon after being discharged, he joined a party under Lieutenant Thomas Brown, was engaged in repelling the depredations of the Tories and in watching the enemy, and served with little intermission until after the defeat and surrender of Burgoyne. From that time to 1779 he was out on frequent short tours of duty, dates of service and names of officers not stated. About

September 8, 1779, while residing in Hoosac District, Rensselaer County, New York, he enlisted and served four months as private in Captain Levi Stockwell's New York company at White Hall. He volunteered about the last of September, 1780, served as private in Captain Adiel Sherwood's company, Colonel Morris Graham's New York regiment, and on October 10, at the surrender of Fort Anne, he was taken prisoner, carried to Canada, suffered severely en route, was placed in a prison near Montreal where he was confined until October 18, 1782; was then sent to Quebec, placed on the British ship, "John", taken to Boston where he was exchanged November 28, 1782, and returned to his home in Cambridge where he arrived December 7, 1782.
After the Revolutionary War the soldier lived in Cambridge, then Pittstown, New York, for about twenty-eight years, then in Northampton and Mayfield, Montgomery County, New York.
John Gifford was allowed pension on his application executed September 19, 1832, at which time he was residing in Mayfield, New York; he stated he had lived in Northampton and Mayfield about twenty-one years. At the time he applied for pension he signed John Gifford, Senior.
He died May 24, 1854.
No reference was made in the claim to wife or children.
795186, 6.4-3181, 212128
Very truly yours
Israel Mead - b. 1731 in Dutchess Co., N.Y. (son of Jonathan Mead) d. Mar. 5, 1806 & buried in Hinesbury, N.Y.
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator
Stephen Mead - b. Mar. 12, 1758, Wash. Co. N.Y. (son of Israel Mead) d. Oct. 1 -- m. Patience Farr, b. Jan. 28, 1758 & died July 25, 1834

BOUNTY LAND WARRANT RECORD CARD*
NAME Gifford, Jonathan GRADE Private LINE Rhode Island
WARRANT NUMBER 3155 ACREAGE 100 ISSUED May 30, 1791 to — not shown —
*The information concerning the issuance of warrants carded on this form is found in volumes 2 to 4 of "Land Warrants Issued Prior to 1800" which are registers of bounty land warrants issued to non-commissioned officers and privates under congressional resolutions of September 16, 1776, and subsequent dates. Other records relative to the applications for warrants appear to have been destroyed in the War Department fire of November 9, 1800. Information concerning warrants surrendered to the Federal Government is to be found in General Land Office records in The National Archives.