Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 17338, John Cromer, Penn.

SERVICE
NUMBER
Penn.
Brumer, John
S. 17338
CONTENTS
carded

December 29, 1936
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BA-J/REL John Cromer-S.17338
Mary Martin Fredericksburg Indiana
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the record of John Cromer, who was pensioned in 1833, on account of his service in the Revolutionary War.
The data which follow are obtained from the papers on file in Revolutionary War pension claim, S.17338, based upon the military service of John Cromer in that war.
John Cromer was born in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, April 22, 1758. The names of his parents are not shown.
While residing in said Lancaster County, John Cromer volunteered in the fall of 1776, served on tours of two months each, ten months in all, as a private in Captain Hollinger's Company, Colonel John Hoover's (possibly meant for Huber's) Pennsylvania Rifle Regiment; he was engaged in scouting in the neighborhood of Philadelphia, and up and down the Delaware River to guard against the British shipping and he aided in placing a chain in said river to prevent the ships from coming up the river.
Found sol. in VOL. 7 - Pa. Archives - Saw Capt. Co. but the cap was John Ashlon + John Hollinger was the lieut. Col. John Huber was a Lancaster Co. colonel
After the Revolution, he resided in Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia and Kentucky, then moved to Indiana.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 3, 1832, while residing in Blue River Township, Harrison County, Indiana.
His wife was referred to in 1833, but there are no further data in regard to her and no reference was made to children.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator.
Date of death not on AB

C h o 17232
John Brown, Harrison County Indiana
from 1776 print 10 months. $33. \frac{33}{100}
J. W. Payne, Corydon Indiana

BRIEF in the case of  John Brown  County of Harrison  in the State of Indiana  (Act 7th June, 1832.)
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? court  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?  3. How old is he? 74 years  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days. As a  
Vol - In 1776 -  - 10 -  private  Gen. Washington, Wayne, Col. Hollinger, Col. Sw. Hoover
The applicant states that he belonged to a rifle Regt. Comd. by Col. Sw. Hoover
 5. In what battles was he engaged? None  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Lancaster County Pennsylvania  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Traditionary  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? not properly Attached Correct. 
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
Richd. S. Wagg Examining Clerk.

Pen. Agent, June 17, 1837
Letter to Mr Williams 16. Nov. 1838.
Same person 27 Decr 1838.
Letter to 3 rd Aud 1. March 1839.
Paid at the Treasury under the Act of the 6 th April 1838 from 4 Sept 1835 to 4 March 1838. Agt notified 22 March '39
False of death not in 23
7402
Indiana
John Cromer
Harrison Co in the State of Indiana who was a private in the Company commanded by Captain Hollinger of the Regt. commanded by Col. Hoover in the P.A. m a for 10 mo s from '76
Inscribed on the Roll of Indiana at the rate of 33 Dollars 33 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 9 day of Apr. 1833 and sent to Mr. W. Payne Corydon Ind
Arrears to the 4th of March 1833 $ 66.66 Semi-annual allowance ending 4 Sept 1833 16.66 $ 83.32
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
W. L. Williams Clerk Vol. 7. Page 107

17232 John Cromer

State of Indiana Harrison County Harrison Circuit Court } Feb.
On this 3 rd day of October 1832 personally appeared in open court before the Honble John F. R. Pendarvis and Moses Boon & Craven Lynn Esqrs his associate Judges of the Circuit Court of said in the second Judicial Circuit of said State now sitting, John Cromer a resident of Blue River Township in the county aforesaid, aged 74 years, who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oaths make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7. 1832 That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated in the company commanded by Capt. Hollinger in the 8 th Regiment commanded by Col John Hooven; he thinks it was the 7 th Regiment of Pennsylvania Militia. He states that he served under these officers ten months in all, but in five different tours of two months each, and the company & regiment to which he belonged held themselves in constant readiness, to go whenever called for, during the Revolutionary; that it was a volunteer company & Regiment to which he belonged; that he entered said service in the county of Lancaster Pennsylvania some time in the fall of 1776 the precise day not recollected; that in these several tours they were employed in scouting the country in different directions in the neighborhood of Philadelphia and up & down the Delaware river, to guard against the British shipping that he aided in fixing a chain in the Delaware to prevent the ships from coming up, which was finally broken by the Redcoats; that he was at Brandy wine tho' not in the battle having been sent a short time previous to the battle on a scouting party. He states that he was born on the 22 nd of April 1758 in the county of Lancaster Pennsylvania, at which place he resided during his services above mentioned; that he had a record

of his age, until within a few years past, when it was destroyed; that since the revolutionary war he has resided in Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, Kentucky and that he now resides in the state of Indiana. He states that the magazine at Huber was destroyed soon after the chain was broken as above stated. He states that he recollects Genl' Charles M c Arthur Wayne, - He recollects one Potterfield who was an Adjutant as well as he can recollect. This applicant states that he never received a discharge from the services and has no documentary evidence and knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his said services -
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency in any state.
Sworn to & subscribed this 3 rd day of June 1841 John C. Green
H. M. Welch Clerk
We John Hancock and Henry Otto residing in the township of Blue River and county of Harrison and state of Indiana hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John C. Green, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be 74 years of age; that he is respected and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn to and subscribed this 3 rd day of June 1841
H. M. Welch Clerk
John Hancock Henry Otto
And the said board do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states, And the board further certify that it appears to them that John Hancock and Henry

All who have signed the preceding certificate, and who are residents of Blue River Township in the County of State of said an credible persons and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I Henry N. Keith Clerk of the Circuit Court of the County of Harrison aforesaid do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the Original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of John Cromer for a pension. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed the seal of the said Court at this 6 th day of October 1832.
H. N. Keith CLERK

All who have signed the preceding certificate, and who are residents of Blue River Township in the County of State of said are credible persons and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I Henry M. Keith Clerk of the Circuit Court of the County of Harrison aforesaid do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the Original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the Application of John Cromer for a pension. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed the seal of the said Court at Longdon this 6 th day of October 1832. H. M. Keith CLERK

17.338 INVALID.
Oct 26 98
J S Cramer St Paul, Minn
File No. 17.338
1936-Dec 29-List & Mary Martin-84
John Cramer St. Paul, Minn
Act: June 7 th 89
Lex:—Vol. _____, Page _____
[Arrangement of 1870.]

J. J. Edwards Esq Com s Pensions
Sir
State Bank Inn Rd St Albany June 8. 1837
I herewith enclosed for your inspection Pension Voucher of John Brown
I am yours
Very Respectful
J. R. Shields Esq
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Top Room Prison office
Mr Evans

Greenville Floyd County Ind Oct 31st 1838 to the Honorable The Secretary of War Dear Sir There is an old Pensioner living in Harrison County Ind who is insane and before the Court appointed Guardians there was two or three years that he drawed no pay I wish to enquire if you have Mr Cromer is to draw for the time that he could not attend to Business please inform me if there is any chance for the old Pensioner as he is helpless & his old Lady yours Very Respectfully
Hon Secretary of War
Wm Williams

St. Louis
Secretary of War
Washington City
Gemville Ld. P. C. about

Greenville Floyd County Ind Oct 31 st 1838 to the Honorable The Secretary of War. Dear Sir There is an old Pensioner living in Harrison County Ind who is insane and before the Court appointed Guardians there was two or three years that he drawed no pay I wish to inquire of you how Mr Cromer is to draw for the time that he could not attend to Business please inform me if there is any chance for the old Pensioner as he is helpless & his old Lady yours Very Respectfully
Hon Secretary of War
Wm Williams

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Suppl. Bureau
Pension Office
M c Evans

Dec 26
Mr Swan,
Germantown Ind June 1833
Hon J L Edwards per Secretary of War Washington City

Greenville Floyd County Ind Decm 16th 1858 Dear
Sir I Received your instructions in Relation to John Cromer of Harrison County Pensioner who served as a private in the revolutionary war and it appears from the Certificate in the hands of his Guardians that he is entitled to draw $33 & 33 cents per annum and it appears that there is three years in arrears which will amount to one hundred dollars according to Mr James Shields Statement Cashier of the Branch Bank at New Albany is the amount which I have forwarded to the 3 d auditor of the Treasury be correct pleas inform me whether the money can be transmitted to the guardians or their attorney
I am Sir Very Respectfully your ob ser t
Wm Williams
Hon J L Edwards Secretary of War Washington City

BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims , of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of John Brown which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? yes III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? yes V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? yes VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? yes VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? yes VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? yes IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? yes X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? yes

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? No Clergymen Certificate - Witness XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? No XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? Yes XIV. † If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? XVI. ‡ Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? No XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words: "Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
†QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
†QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
¶ In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT.
Second Comptroller's Office, March 8 th , 1839.
Sir:
Under the act of the 6th of April, 1833 entitled "An act directing the transfer of money remaining unclaimed by certain Pensioners, and authorizing the payment of the same at the Treasury of the United States," The Guardians of John Croomer, a Pensioner on the Roll of the Indiana Agency, at the rate of Thirty Three Dollars and thirty three Cents per annum, under the law of the 7 th June, 1832, has been paid at this Department, from the 4 th of Sept., 1835, to the 1 st March, 1838.
Respectfully, yours,
Nelson K. Parrish Comptroller.
To the Commissioner of Pensions, Present.

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY LINE
GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY, MONTANA CENTRAL RAILWAY, EASTERN RAILWAY OF MINNESOTA, WILLMAR & SIOUX FALLS RAILWAY, DULUTH, WATERTOWN & PACIFIC RAILWAY, SEATTLE & MONTANA RAILWAY, FAIRHAVEN & SOUTHERN RAILROAD, NEW WESTMINSTER SOUTHERN RAILWAY.
R. I. FARRINGTON, COMPTROLLER. J. L. CRAMER, AUDITOR DISBURSEMENTS. P. E. DRAPER, AUDITOR FREIGHT RECEIPTS. A. M. THOMAS, FREIGHT CLAIM AGENT. F. H. PARKER, AUDITOR PASSENGER RECEIPTS. G. H. GANNON, CAR ACCOUNTANT.
ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT.
ST. PAUL, MINN.,
Sept 12 1898
Commr Pensions Wash. D.C.
Dear Sir - Will you pls give me if you can the date of enlistment and discharge of John Cramer who was granted a pension about 1825 - Enlisted from Pennsylvania and application was made from Chambersburg Pa. Thanking you in advance for your kindness in this matter I beg to remain
Yours Respectfully
J L Cramer 4 The Newport St Paul Minn

Fredericksburg, Indiana November 6, 1936
Veterans Administration Rev. War. Records Division Washington, D. C. Gentlemen,
Please send me the information you have concerning John Cromer who was pensioned in 1833.
Pa Harrison
Yours truly Mary Martin

L. W. B. I. 17338.
This Bureau can furnish the military record of only such Revolutionary soldiers as were pensioned or whose widows were pensioned for their services.
Such of the original muster and pay rolls of the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 as are now in the possession of the Government are on file in the Record and Pension Office, War Department. Original rolls and other records pertaining to service in the Revolutionary War may also be found on file in the archives of many of the original States.
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS,
WASHINGTON, D. C.,
O. W. & N. DIV.
REVOLUTIONARY.
November 1st, 1899.
Sir:-
In compliance with your request I have the honor to transmit, herewith, a copy of the declaration for pension on John Cromer, a soldier of the Revolutionary war.
Very respectfully,
Commissioner.
Hon. F. C. Stevens,
House of Representatives.

This Bureau can furnish the military record of only such Revolutionary soldiers as were pensioned or whose widows were pensioned for their services.
Such of the original muster and pay rolls of the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 as are now in the possession of the Government are on file in the Record and Pension Office, War Department. Original rolls and other records pertaining to service in the Revolutionary War may also be found on file in the archives of many of the original States.
L. W. B. 1. 17338.
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS,
WASHINGTON, D. C.,
O. W. & N. DIV.
REVOLUTIONARY.
October 26, 1898.
Sir:-
Replying to your recent communication you are advised that John Cramer made an application for pension on October 3rd, 1832, at which time he was 74 years of age and residing in Harrison County, Indiana, and his pension was allowed for ten months' actual service as a private in the Penna. troops, Revolutionary war; a part of the time he served under Capt. Hollinger and Col. Hoover. He enlisted in Lancaster Co., Penna.
Very respectfully,
Acting Commissioner.
Mr. J. L. Cramer,
#4 The Newport,
St. Paul, Minn.