Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 1750, John Carter, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York.
Carter, John
R. 1750
CONTENTS

State of New York Montgomery County ss. On this 15. day of August A.D. 1835. personally appeared before me David Shaeffer Esq. one of the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas in & for said County, John Barker a resident of the County of Cayuga now 63 years of age the said County of Montgomery aged about sixty nine or seventy years, who being first duly sworn according to Law, does on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 under the following circumstances, viz: That he was not then he knows of enrolled in any Company in the War of the Revolution - that he was too young to bear arms - that he was however very active for his age & often was ordered by those commanding the Fort & was often volunteered to serve in said Fort & often in standing guard & in carrying Provisions for the troops when in pursuit of the enemy. - That he resided in the neighborhood of the Fort - & was often in it - had a great acquaintance in the Fort hereafter mentioned for his use given to him as he voluntarily agreed to leave when wanted, & often went same in guarding the Fort & went with others who were troops in the Fort voluntarily, on scouting parties repeatedly - & always kept his gun in order & loaded - that he was the day & night previous to his being taken a Prisoner, engaged in the Fort & had volunteered his services in assisting to guard the Fort as a party of hostile Indians was apprehended. That Capt. John Keyser generally commanded the said Fort - that his the applicant's father was a Lieut. in same Company of Militia commanded by Capt. Keyser in Col. Jacob Klocks Regt. & with the men belonging to said Company he often volunteered on scouting parties & serving in & guarding the Fort - that on the morning of the 3 d day of March 1780 (he thinks), a Capt. Gordon of the Rangers was at the said Fort called Fort Remsen's Creek - that in the morning of said day it was proposed by the officers & others in the Fort that their applicant's father & others should go to a Grist Mill about a Mile from said Fort to do some grinding for the use of the Fort - Scouts were sent in various directions from said Fort - on the day of which said Gordon who is hereinafter mentioned was engaged - He this applicant volunteered his services to go with the party to the Grist Mill - he was accepted - got his gun & when Capt. Gordon (he thinks) said that the guns & arms must be left in the Fort - that they then were & did take horses & went to said Fort -

happened that they might fly to the Fort in their tracks  with their tracks . that he this Defeat, his father & Daniel Pickert of Sparbush Van Slyke proceeded to the Mill, intending to do some grinding stalking the flour to the Fort - When they arrived at the Mill his father found scared - a constant guard was kept near the Mill - he this Defeat was standing on the top of the hill near the Mill looking out - that he had a large dog with him which who began to growl & this Defeat looked in the direction & saw the Indians & Tories coming out of the woods near him towards him - he fled to the Mill hallowing as he went - but the noise in the Mill prevented those engaged in it from hearing him, until he got to the Mill, & the Indians & Tories rushed into the Mill ready as soon as he did & took all Prisoners - The Indians were about 100 strong - a party of which took him, his father Pickert & Van Slyke who are dead - they set fire to the Mill & took him & those in the Mill along with them - & in the evening of the same day he was taken (it was as near as he can recollect on 3 d March 1780) as the parties of Indians came together & encamped he saw Jacob Young or what Apt d is hereto annexed a Prisoner together with other Prisoners - they were taken to Duck's Island - from Duck's Island he & Jacob Young were taken to Montreal by the Indians & there sold as he supposed, leaving his father & the other Prisoners at Duck's Island. It was, he thinks, about two months after he was taken he was so sold - he was sold to Col. Campbell of the British Service - but previously a few days the Indians had taken him from Montreal & then returned & sold him as aforesaid. It was in May (he thinks) 1780. that he was so sold - he continued with Col. Campbell serving in his family as a servant until he & John J.ailing whose Apt d is also hereto annexed were permitted to go home that he & said Jailing proceeded home as stated in his affidavit - Col. Campbell told him that he must stay with him & be faithful or else he would have to enlist in the British Service or be put to jail - before sold to him he was in Prison or jail, & Col. Campbell came to him. He said he never could not get out without agreeing to live with him or to enlist in the British Service - he was determined not to enlist, & went with Col. Campbell

My Picket Man Shyok again returned home after the war - His father was flogged with ten others for being engaged in an attempt to blow up the Magazine of  some place not recollects for while he was flogged & died there - he saw his father after he was flogged by the British - Col. Campbell gave him some money & a horse to go see his father flogged but when he got there his father was brought out to be flogged he turned away & could not bear to see it - His father's flesh was flogged off his back & died of his wounds as suffered & never returned home - that he & John S. Trailor after the war had terminated were permitted to go home & they said applicant & said Trailor came home he should suffer after the 25 Nov. 1782 - having been a Prisoner from 3 rd March 1780 to at least the 25 November 1782 for at least 2 years & eight months - that Fort Remenydyer was situated in the then Town of Palatine in the now County of Herkimer - that the said applicant was always willing to serve in the war when his services were wanted & accepted shortly before the time he was taken a Prisoner the friendly Indians had reported that they believed a party of Indians & Tories were on their way in company with the Fort was strongly entrenched with troops & the detachment being of sufficient ability engaged with them in guarding the Fort to repel any attack if it should be made on said Fort until he went out to the said Mill as aforesaid which Mill was about a mile from the Fort - that about forty soldiers were in the Fort at the time - Some officers however had been ordered elsewhere where wanted - some acting as regents I further says that he knows of no one living by whom he can prove the circumstances under which he was taken - that when in said Fort & also when taken a Prisoner he resided in the then Town of Palatine in the then Co. of Tryon now County of Herkimer - that he knows of none who has documentary evidence - & knows of no other person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to the circumstances of his case other than John S. Young of whom I Trailor whose affidavits are hereto annexed except that he can of his own knowledge produce evidence as to his credibility

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that he is not acquainted with any Clergyman residing in said County of Washington who can testify as to his age & the time of the circumstances under which he was taken a Prisoner & the said Applicant on having propounded to him by me said Judge the interrogatories presented by the War Department says, 1. that he was born in the now County of Washington & was born in the year of 1765 or 1766. (which he cannot state.) & the 16th of Aug. & is after said year, according to the mother who to take him -
 2 - That he has no record of his age -  3 - That he lived when serving as aforesaid when taken in the year 6 o of war on now County of Washington - Since the war of the Revolution he resided in the now County of Montgomery until about forty years of age, which he removed to Montgomery Co o where he resided until about four years ago when he removed to the County of Cayuga where he now resides -  4 - that he volunteered into the services aforesaid taking a pride & pleasure in serving his country -  5. That he has stated in his Declaration aforesaid the names of the officers & the general circumstances under which he served & was taken a Prisoner -  6 - that he never rec d a written discharge - & 
that he the applicant is poor & cannot without great inconvenience & expense produce the before the said Judge two respectable persons as to his age &c - That the said Applicant further says that about three years ago he was was attacked with an inflammation of the head & eyes, & became almost blind & unable to do any business until recently his eyes have become better so as to enable him to do some business & his business has been the principal cause of the delay of his application - together with the difficulty of procuring the testimony in his case - & his poverty - that he has omitted from the particular of his loss of services as they will not of themselves as informed, entitle him to a Pension. & tells as for the period of his imprisonment - thereby  eliminating any claim to a Pension except the present of his name is not in the Pension Roll of the agency. any  that - He makes this deduction in Montgomery Co o as more advantageous to him, than in Cayuga Co o -  Given to this 15 th day of Aug t 1835.  John Carver  by me Spoke Rider David Davis War Dept. County Court & Counselor in Sup Court

And I the said Judge do hereby declare (my opinion after the investigation of the matter aforesaid & after taking the interrogatories presented by the War Department that the above named Officer was a Soldier of the Revolution & was taken a Prisoner under the circumstances, stated by him - that he was sworn to the truth of foregoing declaration by me - In testimony whereof I have this 15 th Day of Aug t 1835. Put my Hand - David Sprague Judge of Court County Court & Counsellor in Sup rs

1750
DUPLICATE
P. O.
John Carter
Service: _____
Enlisted: _____, 18
Discharged: _____, 18
Application filed: _____, 18
Pages: List of rejected claims printed in 1852 shows cause of enlisted rejection as follows: "He did not serve six months."
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract
_____ Cert. of Dis, Searched for _____, 18

N. York 1832
John Carter, 1755
Rejected
See letter to
John'Neill Esq.
Pulaski, N. Y.
3 Nov. 1835 E. Carter, Apr. 22, 1859. Same Oct 22/59.
Oct. 22, 1832

Sir,
Palatine (Mont o Co. N.Y.) Aug. 25. 1835.
Enclosed You will receive the Application of John Carter for a Pension. Any communication relative to his case, You will please direct to me,
I am &c.
John Nellis.

33311 John Carter's Pension application under act of 1832.
Direct any communication in relation to Mr Carter's case to John Nellis of Palatine Co. of Montgomery, N.Y.
not before my office this 24th day of August 1835.
Geo: D. Ferguson Clerk.
1550

We John S. Failing and Jacob Youcker Residents of the Town of Oppenheim in the County of Montgomery and State of New-York Do hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Carter an Applicant for a pension under the act of 1832 that we believe him as before testified to by us to be about sixty nine years of age. That he is Reported & believed in this Quarter where he formerly Resided to have been taken a prisoner by the Indians & Tories in the war of the Revolution in which Opinion we concur & have heard no doubt expressed on that Subject & further certify that we have always understood & believed that the said John Carter with his father & some others were taken prisoners by the Tories & Indians in the neighbourhood of Fort Remsen Snyder And that the said John Carter has always so far as it has come to our knowledge been Reported a man of truth & who was entitled to credit & belief & in which we concur. Dated August 20 th 1835.
Sworn to & Subscribed this 20 th day of August A.D. 1835 before me
John S. Failing his Jacob Youcker marks
John Clarke Justice of the Peace
I certify that I am well acquainted with John S. Failing & Jacob Youcker who were Sworn by me to the truth of the above Certificate are men of good Character & Great Integrity & of Credit & Respectability & so Reported & considered & that their Statement is entitled in my opinion to full belief. In Witness whereof I have this 20 th day of August A.D. 1835 set my hand.
John Clarke J.P.

State of New York Montgomery County ss. B. I. George D. Ferguson Esq. Clerk of the said County do hereby Certify that David Spaker before whom the foregoing declaration for a Pardon purports to have been sworn to & who purports to have signed the said certificate of him the said David Spaker was at the date of same one of the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas in the said County - that I am acquainted with his hand writing - & believe his name subscribed to said declaration as the Officer before whom taken & also subscribed to said certificate to be his own proper hand writing & signature - & that Askel Toonin before whom the written affdts of John J. Frailing & Jacob Younger purport to have been sworn & who signed the certificate as to their character & was at date of same one of the Justices of the Peace of said County - that I am acquainted with his hand writing & believe his name subscribed to said affdts & said certificate to be his proper hand writing - & that John Mosher before whom the written certificate of John J. Frailing & Jacob Younger purports to have been sworn to & who signed the certificate thereunder as to their character & was at the date of same one of the Justices of the Peace in the said County, that his name to said certificate of said Frailing & Younger subscribed & also to said certificate of said Justices & believe to be his own hand writing & that I am well acquainted with his handwriting -
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of my office this 21st day of August 1835.
Geo: D. Ferguson Clerk.
John Carter Pardon application under act of 1832. In re the matter of the application of John J. Frailing for a pardon of the crime of larceny
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State of New York } ss. John G. Failing of the Town Montgomery County } ss. of John G. Failing Of Johnstown in said County being duly sworn says he is aged about sixty nine years according to the best of his information. Yet it is said by some that he is a year older. - that he this deponent was taken a prisoner in the year 1781 about the first of May according to the best of his recollection - that he this deponent was somewhat acquainted with John Carter within mentioned now on a visit to said Town of Johnstown in the war of the revolution - that this deponent was taken in the then Town of Palatine by the Indians & taken to Ogdensburg - then to St. Regis - then to Duck Island & continued among the Indians from the time he was taken to the fall of same year when he was sold by the Indians to Col. Campbell in the British Service stationed in Montreal - that this deponent acted as a servant after so sold - that when this deponent was so sold as aforesaid he saw said John Carter a prisoner in Montreal acting as a servant in the family of Col. Campbell - that he saw said Carter in Montreal occasionally for about thirteen months - that said Carter did not enlist in the British Service that he this deponent heard or knows of - that at the end of the war he & said Carter were sent home from Montreal with many other prisoners - that said deponent said Carter proceeded together from Montreal to St. Johns - thence across Lake Champlain to East Bay & thence he & said Carter travelled together home - that they arrived home about last of November or first of December 1782. that this deponent recollects of having heard that said John Carter with others was taken a prisoner by the Indians at the time or shortly after said Carter was so taken. that this deponent always supposed that the said Carter was older than he or at least of same age. - that said Carter was very active & smart for his age.
Signed & subscribed this 3 14 th day of August A.D. 1835 before me
John G. Failing
Asahel Loomis Justice of the peace

State of New York Montgomery County T. S. Jacob Yeager of the Town of Johnstown in said County being duly sworn, say that he is aged about seventy eight years - that he was in the war of the Revolution taken a Prisoner by a party of Indians & Tories, as near as he can recollect, about the first of March 1780 - that he is & was in the said war acquainted with John Carter now on a visit to said Town of Johnstown, but says he is a resident in the County of Cayuga in said State - that the said John Carter was also taken a Prisoner by some of said party of Indians & Tories, that took their departure on the same day - that this deponent was taken in the morning & said John Carter was brought in a Prisoner in the evening of the same day - that said deponent & said Carter were taken as aforesaid in the then Town of Palatine - that about twenty one others were at same time also taken prisoners by said Indians & Tories - that this deponent & said Carter & the other prisoners, excepting one who made his escape, were taken by the Indians to what was called "Buck's Island" - that they travelled three days without any thing to eat - from Buck's Island this deponent & said Carter were taken together to Montreal - that at said latter place they were separated by the Indians, he said deponent going with one party & said Carter with another party of said Indians - After which he this deponent did not again see said Carter while a Prisoner - that when this deponent was taken he was engaged as a private in the Militia on a Scouting Party - that a party of the Militia were at same time stationed at a place called "Fort Rensselaer" to which party this deponent belonged when sent out as a sole Scout, but was taken before the Scout returned to said Fort so called - that the said John Carter when taken a Prisoner was between about 14 years of age he should judge, and very active & smart for his age.
The word "about" written on crossed & word "between" crossed Sworn & subscribed to this 14 th day of August A.D. 1835 before me Asahel Loomis
3 Jacob Yeager his mark 3 Justice of the peace

I hereby certify that I am & have been for some well acquainted with George & John, failing residents of the Town of Franklin to which District they were sworn by me respectively to the foregoing affidavits subscribed generally by them - I then that the said John & George & John D. Phillips are credible persons of fair & unimpeachable character & reputation - & that I have read to them respectively the foregoing affidavits which they have subscribed. In testimony whereof I have set my hand this 14 day of August 1835. -
N.B. The name of Jacob Hecker  his Dycker was signed by mistake & erased mark Ashbel Loomis Justice of the Peace

West Milton November 11th 1859
Re: the Commission of Pensions sur in relation to my pension - I wrote to you last March and Kinons have received your answer written April 12. your answer states that there has been no application made from the state of Pennsylvania for my pension some time years ago last Spring I gave my pension papers to David Mayfield of Balston Spa Saratoga Co and he has had them ever since and has been putting me off from time to time telling me that he would have it in a few days. I shod this letter of yours to him and he wrote a letter immediately and sent it to the office and he tolde me about three weeks ago that he expected it every day. I asked him to give me my husbands pensions papers he said that he had not got them he sent them to alban. I would like to know what he has done about it. There was back pay coming to my husband and I would like to know whether he has got the money or whether he was going to get it or not. My husband drew his last pension two years ago last March and die the April following his name & the name in his pension papers is John Cator also John Cator. The papers were made out by John Cathern Cuthern. The letter that you sent me

laid in the office a long time before I got it and since then he has left me have eight dollars why I write to trouble you I want to know what he has done about it I can prove all that is necessary to get the pension but he has my papers and will not give them up
By Gordon Lewis
Yours Elizabeth Cator
Please direct your letter to West Milton Saratoga Co New York
Mrs Elizabeth Cator is an old feeble Woman an object of pity and deserves the sympathy of every body and I believe the Mr Mayfield means to swindling her out of her money last winter she was taken to the county house and since then has been depending upon the charity of the people people and she gives me this letter of yours to inclose in this to give you a full understanding about it as I am not used to writing such things but the she is at my house and is very anxious to know whether she has got the pension in the pension or not yours in haste Y/O Gordon Lewis

Pension Office, April 2, 1859.
Madam,
In answer to your letter of 7 th ult., I have to state that no application from New York has been made to this office for a pension in your behalf. You will be pleased to inform me when you made application, where you resided when you were married, and what proof you have of your husband's service.
Very respectfully, &c W. A. Whiting Commissioner.
M rs Elizabeth Carter, West Milton, Saratoga Co., N.Y.

Ballston Sar a Co N.Y.
March 7, 1858
To the Commission of Pen.
I am an old lady 74 years of age & the widow of John Cart er alias Mr Cart er who served his country in the war of the Revolution & the lat war & employed D r Maxin Esq this villan to procure pension & Bounty land under the Laws of Con- gress, but have recd no in- formation from S d Maxin in relation thereto, Please ad- vise me on the subject & give what advice & assistance you deem proper Direct your letter to west mitten cartoga lockport N.Y. Respectfully Y r Elizabeth Cart er

John N. Allen
B. Nov. 1895
O. C.
Rec. Vol. 38, p. 55

War Department
Pension Office
Nov. 3, 1835
Sir
The papers of John Carter an applicant for a pension under the act of June 7 th 1832 have been examined and the claim rejected. The claimant, as appears from his own statement, was not in actual service and at the time of being taken prisoner, and hence his claim cannot be allowed.
The papers are returned in file
John Wallis Esq. Palatine New York

M rs Eliz th Carter April 2

Pension Office, April. 2, 1859.
Madam.
In answer to your letter of the 7 th Ult o . I have to state, that no Application from Mrs. Carter has been made to this Office for a pension in your behalf. You will be pleased to inform me when you make application, from where you reside, when you were married and what proof you have of your husband's service.
M rs. Elizabeth Carter, West Milton, Saratoga Co. N.Y.

P Pension Office, October 22. 1859.
Madam,
I can only state in reply to your letter of the 4 th instant that no communication official  has reached this office from D. Maxwell in relation to your claim for pension. You say your husband was a pensioner — Where did he reside when pensioned? If you have his pension papers Certificate send it to this office — We can by that means find the papers upon which he was pensioned.
Mrs. Elizabeth Carter West Milton, Saratoga Co. New York.

BOUNTY LAND WARRANT RECORD CARD*
NAME Carter, John GRADE Private LINE North Carolina
WARRANT NUMBER N 12048 and 12866 ACREAGE 100 ISSUED August 14, 1792 To Isaac Cole, assignee
*The information concerning the issuance of warrants carded on this form is found in volumes 2 to 4 of "Land Warrants Issued Prior to 1800" which are registers of bounty land warrants issued to non-commissioned officers and privates under congressional resolutions of September 16, 1776, and subsequent dates. Other records relative to the applications for warrants appear to have been destroyed in the War Department fire of November 9, 1800. Information concerning warrants surrendered to the Federal Government is to be found in General Land Office records in The National Archives.