Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 31,596, Thomas Carson, Va.

SERVICE
NUMBER
Va.
Carson Thomas
S. 31,596
CONTENTS

7353 7353 Kentucky
Thomas Carson
of Butler Co in the State of Kentucky who was a private in the company commanded by Captain Terrel of the Infy commanded by Col Scott in the Kentucky line for 2 years
Inscribed on the Roll of Kentucky at the rate of 80 Dollars — Cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 2 day of April 1833 and settled Richard Elliott  Halford Kentucky
Arrears to the 4th of March 1831 $160.00 Semi-ant. allowance ending 4 Sept 40.00 $200.00
2 Jan'y 18. 1840 H.B.
{ Revolutionary Claim, { Not June 7, 1832.
Recorded by Daniel Boyd Clerk Book 8 Vol. 7 Page 5
See letter 11 Nov 37 to R. Elliott,

The Carson
Declaration of
15575
✓

Declaration.
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7 th of June 1832.
State of Kentucky, } County of Butler, } Sec.
On this 8 th day of October 1832, I personally appeared before the Justices of the County Court of said County, Thomas Carson, a resident in the County of Butler and State of Kentucky, aged seventy two years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress, passed June 7 th 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year 1776, with Capt. Fend and served in the 5 th Regiment of the Virginia Line, under the following named Officers. That he enlisted in the month of February 1776, under Capt. Henry Fend, 1 st Lieut. John Huggins, 2 nd Lieut. Thomas M c Reynolds, Ensign Robert Watkins and served in the 5 th Regiment of the Virginia Line, commanded (at times) by Col. Charles Scott & Josiah Parker. The latter was Lt. Col. At an action May 1777, when he was given permission to join Col. Morgan's rifle regiments, in which he served until February 1778, being two years from the date of his enlistment, when he was discharged. That he resided in Prince Edward County, Virginia, when he enlisted. That he marched to Williamsburg, about April 1776 - from there to Suffolk, then to Norfolk, and remained there until September, when he marched to Williamsburg - thence to New York, and took shipping in October and sailed to the head of Elk - from there to Philadelphia, and again took shipping and sailed to Trenton, and was in the battle of the Clouds then by Amboy to Chatham in New Jersey, and joined Gen. Washington in November. That he marched with Gen. Washington to Trenton and was in the battle at

than place, and remained with him until about May 1778. when he joined Col. Morgan who shortly thereafter marched to Samson Creek where the British were stationed, and attacked the Virginian guard and retired. Then a few days thereafter, he was again in an attack upon the Virginian guard of the British at the same place. Then he was in three several attacks made by Col. Morgan as the British were retreating from Samson Creek house to Danby - and was also under Gen. Gates at the defeat of Gen. Burgoyne in September 1777 - and with Col. Morgan in a battle at Chisnem Hill about 30 miles from Philadelphia in November.
He hereby relinquished every claim whatever to a Pension as an annuity, except the Pension, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of the Agency of any State.
Given to and subscribed this day and year as is said.
Thomas Carson
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion that the above applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and service as he states.
James D. Hill J.P.
Commonwealth of Kentucky I Robert Morrison clerk of the Butler County Courts, County Court of Butler County State of Kentucky do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the Original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Thomas Carson for a Pension in testimony whereof I have hereunto
Set my hand and affixed the seal of said Office this 9 th day of October 1832 In the 41 st year of the Common wealths - R. Morrison clerk of Butler County Court

15575-
Thomas Carson Kentucky from 1776 private or year $80 Va Cont Roll
on Roll as Thomas Carson
Rich Elliott Harlwood K

BRIEF in the case of Thomas Carson  County of Butler in the State of Kentucky  (Act 7th June, 1832.)
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Court  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?  3. How old is he? 72  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days.     N o line enlisted In 1776 2 Private Gen. Washington, Morgan, Bates Capt. Terrel, Col. Scott Col. Parker  
 5. In what battles was he engaged? Trenton, Burgoyne's defeat, Chestnut  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Prince Edward Co. Va  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? living witness —  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? correct 
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
E. W. Foster Examinining Clerk.

October 28, 1938
BA-J/ANF Thomas Carson S. 31596
Mrs. Robert E. Turner 417 E. Second Street Madison, Indiana
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War record of Thomas Carson, who served with the Virginia troops, and was pensioned while living in Butler County, Kentucky.
The data furnished herein were obtained from papers on file in claim for pension, S.31596, based on the military service of Thomas Carson in the Revolutionary War.
The date and place of birth of Thomas Carson are not given, nor are the names of his parents stated.
While residing in Prince Edward County, Virginia, Thomas Carson enlisted sometime in February, 1776, served as a private in Captain Henry Terrell's company in Colonel Charles Scott's Fifth Virginia Regiment, about May or June, 1778, he was transferred and continued in the service of Virginia in February, 1778; during his service he was in the battle of Trenton, defeat of Burgoyne, and in the battle of Chestnut Hill.
+ until sometime
colo. Daniel Morgan's Va. Reg. - continued in the service
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 8, 1838, at which time he was

seventy-two years old, and living in Butler County, Kentucky.
Thomas Carson died January 18, 1840.
The papers on file in this claim contain no discernible data in regard to the family of Thomas Carson.
In order to obtain the name and address of the person, who received the last payment of this pension, you should apply to The Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, Washington, D. C., and furnish the following data:
Thomas Carson Certificate #7353 Issued April 2, 1833 Rate $80.00 per annum Commenced March 4, 1831 Act of June 7, 1832 Kentucky Agency.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator

31596 Rev INVALID.
File No. 31,596
Thomas Carson
Rev War
Act: June 1 st 1832
Index: Vol. 2 , Page 65
[Arrangement of 1870.]
Oct 10-1900-Heitz Mrs Ruth Lee Drey Talladega Ala
1907 Nov 29 Hist. to J. A. Stine 1921 Aug. 1. Hist. to Mrs Roscoe Baber ad.
1922 Jan 3 Hist. to Mrs Louise Carson 1928 Oct 13. Hist. to Newville H. Lemmer aug.
1936 May 7. Photo, marked to Mrs. W. P. Arak, MCS
1938 Oct 28-Hist. to Mrs. Robert E. Turner aug.

The deposition of John Porter, taken in Morgantown, Butler County and State of Kentucky, on the 9 th day of July 1832. This deposition being of lawful and first duly sworn, deposits as follows:
Question. How old are you?
Answer. I am seventy three years old.
Question. Were you ever in the service in the Revolutionary War, and if so, state what corps?
Answer. I was. I enlisted in 1776 in the 5 th Regiment of the Virginia Continental, for two years, under Capt. Syrus or Terrell.
Question. Were you not acquainted with Thomas Carson, and if so, state what you know of his service?
Answer. I was. He enlisted in February 1776 as a private for two years, in the 5 th Regiment of the Virginia Continental Line, with me and served there until June 1777, when he was transferred to Col. Morgan's Regiment of riflemen in said line, where he served until February 1778, making the full two years, the time for which he enlisted. I served with him the whole time, and know that he dis- charged the duty of a good orderly soldier the whole period.
Question. by Thomas Carson.
Did or do you not know that I am the same identical Thomas Carson, who served in the Virginia Continental Line from February 1776 until February 1778, as stated by you?
Answer. Yes. I know that you are the same.
And further this deposition is true.
John Porter

State of Kentucky } Set Butler County,
This day John Foster personally appeared before me, John M. Austin a Justice of the Peace in and for said County, and in my presence subscribed the foregoing form. I do also certify, that the said John Foster is a man of respectability and truth, and to be relied on as such. I am well acquainted with him. Given under my hand this 9 th day of July 1832. John M. Austin J.P., B.C.
State of Kentucky } Set Butler County
I Robert Morrison Clerk of the County Court of said County do certify that John M. Austin whose signature is affixed to the foregoing certificate is and was at the time of such act a Justice of the Peace in and for said County duly Commissioned and qualified and that due faith and credit is and ought to be given to all his official acts as such. I do also certify that his signature to the said Certificate is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of said Court to be hereunto affixed at Morgantown this 9 th day July 1832.
Robert Morrison Clk

B R I E F objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Thomas Carson which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? yes III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? yes V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? yes VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? yes VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? yes VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? yes IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? yes X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? yes

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service?
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it?
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? witness
XIV. † If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? yes
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? yes
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? yes
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? yes
XVI. † Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? yes
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension.

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
†QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
†QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
¶ In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

sion on file in this Bureau.
Thomas Carson S. 1396
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     ✓ July 1776 to June 1777 Pvt. Henry Smith Charles Scott Va.   June 1777 to Feb 1778 Morgan          
Battles engaged in, 2 Defeat of 3 Burgoyne: Battle 1 Chestnut Hill and Trenton ✓  Residence of soldier at enlistment, Prince Edward Co. Va.  Date of application for pension, Oct 8. 1822. First visit.  Residence at date of application, Butler Co. Ky.  Age at date of application, 72 yrs. Died Jan'y 18. 1840 } Agreement  Remarks: No data as to family.  A/C

Talladega. Ala. Oct. 1 st 1900-
Pension Office -
Department of the Interior, Washington. D.C.
Gentlemen:-
Can you give me the record of John Porter , a Revolutionary soldier, of Prince Edward County, Virginia, who was in the 12 th Virginia Regiment which, afterwards, as a whole or in part, became the 8 th Virginia?
Also please give me the record of Thomas Carson , a Revolutionary soldier, who lived in Prince Edward (or an adjacent) County, Virginia. =
I do not know his Regiment, but think it was the 12 th Virginia. =
Your kind attention will be appreciated.
Yours very truly -
Mrs. Robert Lee Ivey
Talladega - Ala.

Soldier: Thomas Carson
for Mrs. Roscoe Baber
Aug 1, 1921
Riverdale Md

SOCIETY OF COLONIAL WARS, IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY. OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, LOUISVILLE.
November, 19, 1907.
Hon. V. Warner, Commissisoner of Pensions, Washington, D. C.
Dear Sir:-
I should like very much to have some information, for family and genealogical purposes, concerning Thomas Carson private of the Virginia State troops, who drew a pension April 25th 1833 of $80.00 at the age of 74, who resided in Butler County, Kentucky at that time. He was a pensioner under the act of June 7th 1832.
I would like very much to know,
The Pensioners service?
The place of enlistment?
The officer under whom he served?
His residence at the time of making application?
Also date of application for pension?
Thanking you in advance for this information, I beg to remain,
Yours truly,
J. Edgar Stewart

Box 375, Wilson, T. C.,
Dec. 4 th , 1921.
Bureau of Pensions, Dept. of Interior, Washington, D. C.
Dear Sir:-
Will you please send the Revolutionary War record of Thomas Carson? The fixed family conviction is that he served in the 5 th Va. regiment. Could you please send me this record right away. I should appreciate it so much, for I am going to the Richmond genealogical libraries Dec. 22 nd and I would like very, very much to have all the available data.
Thanking you, I am,
Sincerely yours, (Miss) Louise Carson.

Rev /
Box 375, Wilson, T.C.
Dec. 12 th , 1921.
Dept of Interior, Bureau of Pensions, Washington, D. C.
Dear Sir:-
I thank you for your prompt reply to my letter of Dec. 4 th . Will you please send me the Revolutionary War record of Hugh Barclay, who served in the Penn. line, accepted depreciated pay for his services and died in Rockbridge County, Va.; also two another copy of the Rev. War record of Thomas Carson of the 5 th Va. regiment. Do you find any Rev. War record for Bondeville Poindexter or Thos. Bondeville (Bond Yeale) Poindexter of Louisa County? I do not know whether he served in the Revolution or not.
I shall greatly appreciate this information, as I am anxious to join the D. A. R. on several lines by Jan. 1 st .
Sincerely yours, (Miss) Louise Carson.

Pittsfield, Ill.
Dec. 27, 1927
Secretary of Interior Bureau of Pensions Washington, D. C.
Dear Sir:
I am desirous of receiving a copy of the service of one, Thomas Carson , in the Revolutionary War. He was born, we believe, February 18, 1760, married to Anna Porter October 3, 1782, and died January 18, 1840. He enlisted in the American army from Prince Edward county Virginia and was granted his pension on October 8, 1837 while he was residing in Butler county, Kentucky.
Can you furnish a copy of his record showing how long he served, in what regiment, what battles he was in, and when he was discharged?

also does his record agree with the dates of his birth, marriage, death, and granting of pension which I have secured from secondary and possibly immediate sources?
I am willing to pay the legal cost of this service.
Thanking you for this service
I am,
yours truly,
Hermeth H. Lemmer Pittsfield, Ill.
P. O. Box 552
FM

417E. Second St Madison, Ind. September 16, 1938
Pension Bureau Washington, D.C.
Dear Sirs:
Will you please send me the pension record of Thomas Carson? He served in the revolutionary war in the Virginia State troops and was placed on the pension roll of Butler county, Ky in 1833. Thank you.
Very truly,
Virginia E. Turner Virginia E. Turner (Mrs. Robert E.)

Rev. & 1812 Wars Section AWF/eel
October 13, 1928.
Kenneth H. Lemmer P.O. Box 552 Pittsfield, Illinois
Sir:
I advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 31596, it appears that Thomas Carson, while residing in Prince Edward County, Virginia, enlisted in February 1776, and served as a private in Captain Henry Terrell's Company, Colonel Charles Scott's Virginia Regiment, until June 1777, when he was transferred to Colonel Morgan's Virginia Regiment and served until February 1778, and was in the battle of Trenton, defeat of Burgoyne and the battle of Chestnut Hill.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 8, 1832, at which time he was living in Butler County, Kentucky, aged seventy-two years. He died January 18, 1840.
There are no data as to family.
Respectfully,
E. W. MORGAN Acting Commissioner.

#320 Rev. & 1812 BA-J/MCS
April 27, 1936
Rev. & 1812 Wars Section
War & Navy 970
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Rev. War pension claim, Thomas Carson, S. 31596
Actual
1 of each page
each page on one piece - return papers decl. actual Oct. 8, 1832
$0.50
2 pages
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Kindly leave margin of 1 1/2 inches at top of each page and return papers in each case in folder with corresponding name and number.

April 25, 1936
Administrator of Veterans Affairs Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir:
Kindly send me photostatic copies (uncertified) of two pages from Rev. War pension claim, Thomas Carson, S.31596.
Very truly yours
X Mrs. W. P. Drake 1239 State St Bowling Green Ky