Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File B.L.Reg. 272650-55, John Carter, Va.

SERVICE
NUMBER
Va
Carter, John Mourning
B.L. Reg. 272650-55
CONTENTS

272. 650
Act Mar. 3. '57 April 8. '57
Mourning barker. mid. John barker. -
Va. Sine.
Set. to Hon. J. L. M. Curry - in Rev. Cor. - Jan 14/60.
Rev. J. W. W.
Ans. July 48
Special. April 20. '57
L. Col. C. C.
Chas. barker.
Talladega.
Apr 55
Set. C. Carter. Mar. 6/57 " " " " July 230/57

State of Alabama County of Talladega
On this First
day of April A.D.
One thousand eight hundred and fifty seven personally appeared before me James Lawson a justice of the peace in and for the county and state aforesaid Mourning Carter aged Eighty seven years who being first duly sworn according to law declares that she is the widow of John Carter dec d who served in the Revolutionary War as a private of Cavalry of the Virginia Continental line but under what Officer he served or the Regiment he belonged to she is unable to say but she knows or verily believes he served in the capacity aforesaid for over two years and relies on the Revolutionary rolls to sustain her declaration. She further states that she was married to the said John Carter in the County of Fluvanna in the state of Virginia on the 13 th day of November A.D. 1794 by one George Anderson a minister of the gospel and that her husband the said John Carter died in the County of Albemarle in the state of Virginia between the years 1803 or 1806 the precise date and the year she is unable to say having no family record of the event but relies on the evidence of her marriage to the said John and his death contained in certain papers filed in her application for a pension in right of the services aforesaid under the act of the 29 th day of July, 1848 for the relief of certain widows to which she invites the attention of the department. She further declares that she has never intermarried since the death of her said husband but remains still a widow. She makes this declaration for the purpose of obtaining the bounty land to which she may be entitled to under the act of Congress passed the 3 rd day of March 1855. She further declares that she has never received or applied for bounty land under this or any act of Congress other than this -
James Lawson W H Moore Lieut.
Mourning Carter Mark

We William H Moore and Isaac Kirtley residents of the county of Tallasdega in the state of Alabama upon our oaths declare that the foregoing declaration was signed and acknowledged by Mrs Mourning Carter in our presence and we believe from the appearance and statements she makes that she is the identical person she represents herself to be
Isaac Kirtley W. H Moore
The foregoing declaration and affidavits were sworn to and acknowledged before me and I hereby certify that William H Moore and Isaac Kirtley are both residents of the county and state aforesaid as also Mrs Mourning Carter, that the said deponents are all personally well known to me to be persons of the highest credit and that I have no interest in this claim
James Lawson
The State of Alabama Tallasdega County      §      I, William H Thornton Judge, and exofficio Clerk, of the probate Court for the County and state before mentioned, hereby certify, that James Lawson whose genuine signature ap- pears above, is now and was at the time of signing the same a Justice of the peace in and for said County duly Commissioned and sworn, that all his official acts as such are entitled to full faith and credit, and that the aforesaid probate Court, is a Court of Record having general Jurisdiction
Given under my hand and seal of Office at Tallasdega this the 1 st day of April A D 1857
W. H Thornton Judge of Probate Tallasdega Co Ala

The State of Alabama Talladega County } This day personally ap- peared before me the undersigned, an acting Justice of the peace in and for said County Charles Carter to me well known, who being first duly sworn according to Law, deposes & states upon his oath that he is the son and youngest child of John Carter dec'd late of the state of Virginia and Mourning Carter, the widow of said dec'd - that he the deponent is now 84 years of age and although he could not have had any Rec- ollection or personal knowledge of his Father's services as a soldier in the Revolutionary War between the United States or Colonies of America and the Government of Great Britain yet he does know the fact as tradition, which he has Read from his Mother Grand Father Grand Mother and many other persons who spoke of the Revolutionary War before the deponent removed from the state of Virginia which was about 42 years ago that his Father did serve as a soldier in said War from the time of his enlistment to the close of the War, in the character and capacity set forth in the Certificate of the auditor of Public Accounts of the state of Virginia and that his Father served as a soldier in said War near 8 years

The said deponent further states upon his oaths from all he has learned in Reference to his Father the services of his Father in said War and Marriage with Mourning Bond. Now Mourning Carter and widow of said John Carter deic - he Verily believes that the said John Carter mentioned in the said auditors Certificate to be the Identical John Carter who was married to Mourning Bond the Mother of this deponent that the Information which he Receas from his ancestry and others concerning his Fathers services in said War, he believes are corroborated by the Records in Virginia as to the fact of such service, the Capacity in which he served and the length of time he served Charles Carter
The State of Alabama } Talladega County } I James Lawson a Justice of the peace for said County, hereby Certify that Charles Carter whose name is signed to the foregoing, who is personally known to me, and whose Reputation for truth and Veracity is undoubted, appeared before me on this day, and being sworn, states that the matters and things therein contained are true to the best of his knowledge & belief and I further Certify that I have no interest in the prosecution of the claim of Mrs Mourning Carter
Given under My hand at Office this 20 th day of June A D 1857. James Lawson J.P.

Dear Sir
As you see I have sent you My Own Testimony in My Mothers Case which I have done Very Reluctantly, but an honest Conviction of the Justice of My Mothers Claim, and the Great difficulty which Exists in Making out the Proof, or the Establishment of the two points in the Case, has prompted Me to intrude My Own Evidence upon you. I am about Eleven hundred Miles from Where any Testimony Case be heard and I do not know if, I should ever make a second trip thus, I am not at all  sure that I could make any additional proof, but could perhaps find fifty persons who would Testify that by Reputation My father was a Revolutionary Soldier, but I do not suppose that it is necessary to multiply testimony of that sort . I supposed that if the Evidence of the Identity of My father
with the John Carter named in the certificate of the Auditor of Virginia was sufficient that the amount paid itself would be sufficient Evidence of the time if such carried, the fact that when I found the Records in Richmond to correspond with what I had always understood to be true, in reference to the time of Service which My father rendered in the War I was at once convinced of the Identity, and further that no Certificate has ever been delivered in the Case still confirms Me in the Opinion,

I have written to Virginia to obtain other testimony if any can be had, but doubt very much if any other than as you have such will be obtained. if however I should receive any other I will send it down, With the views which I have of the correctness of my Mother's Claim. I of course should be glad to be able to satisfy the department, but if I should fail to do that, I shall at least submit cheerfully believing that the department has done what they understood to be, Yours Respectfully
Charles Carter
Apr. 27 th 1858

No 270. 650
PAID
W. B. Appleton
Commission of Pensions Washington D. C.

Pelladega P. Office, Pelladega County Alabama 1887
Hon. Commissioner of Pensions
Dear Sir
Herewith you the application of Mrs Mourning Carta for bounty land under the Act of the 2 nd March 1888. When the warrant is issued send to my address.
Very resp s
Yr. Col. Sot.
Charles G. Carter

Ho of Rep
12 June 1860
Sir:
As many claims, with inferior proof, for Pensions are allowed by Congress, I have concluded to make application to that Tribunal, in behalf of Mourning Carter - No. 272,550 - I should be obliged if you would furnish me the papers, that I may present them before the adjournment of Congress -
Respectfully
Ellen Carter
Hon. G. C. Volsting

Mr. Callisch, V.R., found a notation on the old Rejected and Suspended Register Book: "Pension claim missing in 1877."
M.H.S. 7/3/47

17.53
5.48 also Mourning, widow of John Porter.
Set J. L. McCune Dec 17.57 Feb 25 '58
(not found 1882)
Not in file
Sept 21 st 77
REJECTED
every John Porter card searched on July 7. 1911. & nothing found as above

48.
Ala.
b leaves Mar 18 - June 5, 57
Rev J L McCarry Dec 17, 57 Feb 25 58
He provided a list of all the slaves owned by him in 1852 for John W. McCarry later residence of Alabama.
181749 181748

Pension Office, June 5 1857,
Sir
The certificate of the Auditor of Virginia, endorsed by you, under cover of your letter of the 14th ult, has been examined and filed with the papers of Mourning Carter, of Ala, under the Act of July 29, 1848. It still remains to show that the soldier mentioned in that certificate was her husband - which can only be done by direct proof or by giving the time of his services and the names of the officers under whom he served, to enable me to examine the rolls of the office, - This is the more necessary, as I find a John Carter of Virginia, was pensioned under the Act of 1815, for similar services,
Charles Carter Esq Talladega Alabama

Pension Office, May 5, 1857.
Sir.
The application of Mourning Carter, widow of John C. Alabama, has been examined and filed under the Act of July 29, 1848.
A man named John Carter did render some service in the Virginia Continental Line, but I can not determine the length of his service. Nor is there any evidence to show that the soldier was the husband of the applicant. These difficulties must be overcome by the addition of the testimony of witnesses who know the facts.
Charles Carter Esq Talladega Alabama

Pension Office.
December 17. 1857.
Sir,
I have the honor to state in relation to the application of Mourning Carter, of Alabama, for pension under act of July 27. 1848, that the claim is asserted in virtue of the services of her husband in the Virginia Continental line during the Revolutionary war. The parol evidence adduced merely shows that her husband's name was "John Carter", and that he was reputed to have served in said war. A certificate by the Auditor of Public Accounts of Virginia is also filed, which shows that a man of her husband's name was entitled to £42: 12 s. for services in the Continental line of Virginia. The requirement of the office is, that it be shown in some satisfactory manner that the John Carter to whom the certificate for said sum was issued was her husband. This would be necessary under any circumstances, as the pension, if allowed, must be adjusted according to the specific sum named - that indicating the duration of the service; but it is in this case the more indispensable, since Smith's report to the Governor of Virginia, of January 7, 1835, shows that there were at least three men of the name of "John Carter" who served in the Revolutionary war.

in the Virginia Continental line; and our records show that one man of the same name has been pensioned for such service under Act of March 18. 1818. Now, the certificate referred to by the Auditor of Public Accounts of Virginia might have been issued to any one of these men. It was accordingly suggested that the husband of claimant might be identified with the certificate by direct proof, or, if this could not be done at this late day, it was further suggested that proof be adduced of the specific service performed by him, in order that such proof might be compared with the muster rolls in this office, or with evidence to be procured from Richmond, where proof of the specific service of three men of the name doubtless exists; and upon which the report of Commissioner Smith referred to must have been predicated. There may be other means of reasonably complying with the requirements of the office, but none which suggest themselves at this time.
Hon. J. M. Curry, } House of Representatives. }

Pension Office,
February 25, 1858.
Sir,
In accordance to the request contained in your letter of the 22 d instant, I have the honor to enclose a copy of my letter addressed to you on the date of the 17 th December last, relative to the application of Mary Carto for pension under act of July 29, 1848.
With great respect, Your obedt Servant,
Hon. J. S. M. Barry, House of Representatives.