Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W 16939, John Crum, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
brum, John Patrina
N 16939
CONTENTS

New York (Alt 7) 1482
Catrina Brunn
widow of John Brunn dec d
who died on the 1 st of Jan y 1789; of Saratoga co. in the State of N. York. who was a Pri. in the comp y commanded by Captain — of the reg t . by Col. J. Livingston in the N. York line for 2 years Private.
Inscribed on the Roll of N. York (Alt 7) at the rate of 80 Dollars — Comm. for services to commence on the 4th day of March, 1834.
Certificate of Pension issued the 16 th day of Oc- tober 1837, and sent to Miss F. Yates, Schenectada, N.Y.
Arrears to the 4th of Sept. 1837 = $ 520.00 Pemi-annual allowance ending 4 M. 1838 = 40.00
$560.00
{ Revolutionary Claim. Act July 4, 1836. Section the 3 rd . }
Recorded by S. A. Elliott Clerk. Book A, Vol. 2, Page 185.

Catrina Crum 2444
In the matter of the application of Catrina Crum widow of John Crum for a pension under the act of 4 th July 1836.
Adm d
2 years pri
80 $
no deduction —
Giles F. Yates Agent
Schenectada
(N.Y.)

State of New York County of Saratoga ss
On this twenty-eighth day of June 1837, personally appeared before me one of the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas in and for said County of Saratoga, Catrina Crum, whose maiden name was Catrina Rudolph, a resident of the town of Ballston in said County, aged ninety-seven years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on her oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision, made by the act of Congress, passed 4 th July 1836: That she is the widow of John Crum who was a private soldier in the army of the revolution & served therein from the year 1776 until the end of the revolutionary war; to wit for the term of six years and seven months in the Regiments of Colonel James Livingston and of Col. Cortland. She further declares that she was married to said John Crum on the first day of September (1776) one thousand seven hundred and seventy six. That her husband the aforesaid John Crum died on the first day of January 1789, and that she has remained a widow ever since that period, as will fully appear by reference to the proof hereto annexed. her
Catrina X Crum mark
I certify that on the day & year first aforesaid, the said Catrina Crum, the above named Declarant, made oath before me that the facts set forth in the above declaration by her signed are true and correct, and that she cannot write her name but makes her mark owing to

State of New York Saratoga County ss: I, Alpheus Goodrich Clerk of said County do hereby certify that Thomas J. Livingston before whom the within Affidavit was presented to have been sworn to at the date of the same on the 2nd day of July 1837 before me, Alpheus Goodrich Clerk.
for which reason also she cannot attend Court  M. C. Marvin Judge of Ter. Com. Pleas
State of New York Secretary's Office Albany July 1837
I certify, that as appears from the "Register taken from the Rolls" showing the names, dates of Commissions and enlistments, period enlisted for, occurrences of the officers, non-commissioned and privates of the New York line of the Army of the Revolution, on file in this Office, John Brum enlisted on the 8th day of January 1777, as a Private in the Regiment of the New York line, commanded by Colonel J. Livingston for during the war, and that he was mustered to January 1782.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and the seal of this Office, this seventeenth day of July 1837.
John A. D. M. Secretary of State.

State of New York County of Montgomery } ss.
I certify, that it appears from the original Register of Marriages Solemnized in the Reformed Dutch Church Church of Caughnawaga in said County (then County of Fryon) by the Reverend Thomas Romeyn at that time pastor of said Church, (which register is in my custody custody,) that on the first day of September One thousand seven hundred and Seventy six (1776), John Crum was joined in wedlock to Catrina Rudolph by said Thomas Romeyn. Given under my hand this 21 st day of June 1837.
Abraham Van Horne D.D.
On this 21 st June 1837, personally appeared before me the undersigned, the Rev. Abraham Van Horne to me well known, who signed the above Certificate in my presence & made oath, that the facts set forth in the same are true, and on examining said Register I find the entry of the marriage of John Crum & Catrina Rudolph to be as above stated.
Jacode Graff pastor of the River

for which reason also she was to attend
State of New York Montgomery County Clerk's office.
I George D. Ferguson Clerk of Montgomery County aforesaid do hereby certify that Jacob Graft whose name is subscribed to the within Affidavit was on the date thereof a Justice of the Peace in and for said County. And that his name within subscribed is his genuine signature.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of my office this 22 nd June 1837.
Geo: D. Ferguson

The deposition of Thomas Palmer Cashier of the "Schenectady Bank" in the City of Schenectady in the County of Schenectady State of New York who testifies as say, that from the year 1807 until the year 1832 he this deponent resided in the Village of Ballston-Spa in the County of Saratoga in said State. That within a few years after he took up his residence in said Village he became acquainted with Catrina Crum the aforedescribed applicant for a pension under the act of 4 th July 1830. and this deponent's acquaintance with her continued until the present time - that the said Catrina resided in the family of this deponent at different times for a period in the whole exceeding two years - That she often conversed with this deponent relative to the mil- itary services of her said husband John Crum ; and this deponent is satisfied that said John Crum served as stated in the foregoing declaration by her signed, & that he is the identical person referred to & described as having served from the in the certificate of the Secretary of State under reference the year 1777, until the year 1782. and this deponent further saith, that she was always reported & believed to have been in the neighborhood where she resided the widow of a soldier of the revolution. This deponent is well sat- isfied, of her honesty, integrity & credibil- ity & that her declaration is entitled to the utmost credit. And this deponent further saith that said Catrina since the decease of her said husband according to the best of this deponent's information & belief, and during the period of his ac-

acquaintance with her up to the present time, she has remained single and unmarried & is still unmarried.
Thomas Palmer
On this 31 st day of July 1887 before me the undersigned personally appeared Thomas Palmer before named to me well known, who made oath, that the facts set forth in the foregoing deposition by him signed are true & correct, and I certify that he is a credible witness - and I further certify, that the words "in the Certificate of the Secretary of State hereto prefixed" were interlined before the said deposition was signed thereon by said Thomas Palmer.
Roswell Perry J.P.
The deposition of Isaac Schraff of the City of Schenectady, in the County of Schenectady & State of New-York aged nearly eighty years, who testifies & says, that he was Deputy Commissary of Issues during the war of the revolution, & is now a pensioner of the United States, under the act of Congress passed June 7 th 1832 - That he this Deponent was during said war well acquainted with John Crum the same person referred to and described in the annexed affidavits and also with his wife the said Catrina - That during said war & several years before the close thereof they passed as, & were generally reported to be husband & wife, and this Deponent has no doubt of the fact - And this Deponent further saith, that since the close of said war &

after the decease of said John Crum, the said Catrina has remained a widow, and is still single & unmarried, according to the best of this Deponent's knowledge & belief and further that the Catrina Crum who has signed the foregoing declaration as an applicant for a pension under the act of 4 th July 1836, is the identical person with whom this Deponent was acquainted during said war as aforesaid, and who was the late wife of the aforesaid John Crum - And this Deponent further saith, that he this deponent on many occasions saw said John Crum on duty in the Regiment of Colonel James Livingston of the New York line, particularly in the year 1777, at Johnstown in the then County of Tryon.
Isaac DeGraaf
On this first day of August 1837 personally appeared before me the undersigned, Isaac De Graff to me well known, who made oath that the facts set forth in the foregoing deposition by him signed, are true & correct, & I certify that said Isaac De Graff is a credible witness.
Isaac DeGraaf
Sworn the first day of August 1837 at the City of Schenectady before me
W. H. H. H.
a Justice of the Peace in and for the County of Schenectady
W. H. H. H.

State of New York County of Schenectada Clerk's Office
I, Jonathan C. Burnham Clerk of said County, do hereby certify, that Roswell Perry whose name appears to the foregoing certificate by him signed, attached or subjoined to the deposition of Thomas Palmer, was at the time thereof a Justice of the Peace in & for said County; and that the signature to said Certificate purporting to be his, is genuine — And I further certify, that Albert A. Vedder whose name appears to the preceding certificate subjoined to the deposition of Isaac De Graff, was at the time a Justice of the Peace in & for said County; and that the signature to said Certificate, purporting to be his, is genuine
Witness my hand & Seal of office, this 2 d Day of Au- gust 1837.
Jon. C. Burnham Clerk

April 5, 1939.
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Mrs. Charles H. Winship 80 Broad Street Plattsburgh, New York
BA-J/ady John Crum W.16939
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter relative to John Crum, a soldier of the Revolutionary War.
The record of the only John Crum of New York that is found on the Revolutionary War records of this office is furnished you herein as found in the papers on file in pension claim, W.16939, based upon his military service in that war.
The date and place of birth and the names of the parents of John Crum are not shown.
John Crum enlisted, place not stated, January 5, 1777, served as private in Colonels James Livingston's and Cortland's New York Regiments and was discharged in January 1782.
He died January 1, 1789, place, and his age not given.
Soldier married September 1, 1776, Miss Catrina Rudulp. Their marriage was recorded on the records of the Reformed Dutch Church in Caughnawaga, Tryon County, later called Montgomery County, New York.
Soldier's widow, Catrina Crum, was allowed pension on her application executed June 28, 1837, at which time she was aged ninety-seven years and a resident of Ballston, Saratoga County, New York.
There are no further family data.
In order to obtain the date of last payment of

pension, the name of person paid and possibly the date of widow's death, you should apply to The Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, Washington, D. C., and cite the following data: "Catrina Crum, widow of John Crum, Certificate No.1482, issued October 16, 1837, rate $80.00 per annum, commenced March 4, 1831, Act of July 4, 1836, Albany New York Agency".
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator

Rev WIDOW, &c.
1939 apr. 5. Hist. Twp. Crum. 1939 Apr. 5. Hist. Twp. Crum. Wmship. A. S. J.
File No. 16,939
Catherine Crum
Wid. of
John Crum
Priv. Rev. war
Act: July 4. 1836
Index:—Vol. A , Page 155
[Arrangement of 1870.]

J. L. Edwards Esq Commissioner of Pensions War Department Washington D.C.

J. L. Edwards Esq. Commissioner of Pensions
Sir
I send herewith for your decision thereon, the enclosed papers in the matter of the application of Catrina Crum , for a pension under the act of 4 th July 1836.
I am yours respectfully
G. H. L. Hart
Schenectady N. Y. Aug. 4 th 1837

Athens Penna Feb. 16, 1939
Veterans Bureau Washington Dear Sirs:
Will you kindly give me the Revolutionary War Record of one John Crum of Penn Clinton Co. N.Y.
He was a Green Mountain Boy, with Ethan Allen, according to The book "N. Y. Men in The Rev." and it definitely states in that book that he received a pension . His wife's name was Melissa I think, but am not positive of this.
We are preparing a genealogy and are very anxious to get that particular record.
Very respectfully (Miss) B. Crum Athens Pennsylvania

Mrs. Charles H. Winship 80 Broad Street Plattsburgh, New York
Feb. 23, 1939
Revol. War Records, Bureau of Pensions, Washington, D.C. Dear Sir:-
Could you give me any information as to pension papers of John Crum (Crum) of Suffolk County, N. Y., whose son, William Crum, died in Clinton Co., N. Y. in 1832? Thanking you for any information.
Sincerely, Jane E. Winship

April 5, 1939.
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Miss B. Crum Athens Pennsylvania
BA-J/ady John Crum W.16939
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter relative to John Crum, a soldier of the Revolutionary War.
The record of the only John Crum of New York that is found on the Revolutionary War records of this office is furnished you herein as found in the papers on file in pension claim, W.16939, based upon his military service in that war.
The date and place of birth and the names of the parents of John Crum are not shown.
John Crum enlisted, place not stated, January 5, 1777, served as private in Colonels James Livingston's and Oortland's New York Regiments and was discharged in January 1782.
He died January 1, 1789, place, and his age not given.
Soldier married September 1, 1776, Miss Catrina Rudulp. Their marriage was recorded on the records of the Reformed Dutch Church in Caughnawaga, Tryon County, later called Montgomery County, New York.
Soldier's widow, Catrina Crum, was allowed pension on her application executed June 28, 1837, at which time she was aged ninety-seven years and a resident of Ballston, Saratoga County, New York.
There are no further family data.
In order to obtain the date of last payment of

pension, the name of person paid and possibly the date of widow's death, you should apply to The Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, Washington, D. C., and cite the following data: "Catrina Crum, widow of John Crum, Certificate No. 1482, issued October 18, 1837, rate $80.00 per annum, commenced March 4, 1831, Act of July 4, 1836, Albany New York Agency".
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator