Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 3,593, Abraham Camer, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York.
Camer, Abraham
N. 3,593
Poucher, Elizabeth
B.L. Mt. 71213-160-55
Boucher, (Former Widow)
CONTENTS

24. 732 New York
Abraham Gagner of Columbia in the State of New York who was a Private in the Col. Com. commanded by Captain Van Vleck of the Regt. commanded by Col. Wall in the New York line for 2 years — " — "
Inscribed on the Roll of New York at the rate of 80 Dollars 00 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 13 day of Feby 1834 and to the L. E. Eppelstein Livingston
Arrears to the 4th of Ap. 33 $ 200 Semi-ant. allowance ending Ap. 36 40 $ 240
Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7, 1832.
Recorded by Geo. C. [Signature] Clerk, Book 8 Vol. 4, Page 130
278445

24.625.
Abraham Camer. Columbia Co New York.
Sept o —
J. Admutter Private 2 years
Charles Epsctyne Livingston Columbia Co N. York.

WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
June 1 st 1833
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: { ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of Abraham Canner Columbia Co. New York.
   Period when the service was rendered. Duration of the claimant's service. Rank of the claimant. Names and rank of the Field officers under whom he served. Age at present, and place of abode when he entered the service. Proof by which the declaration is supported.   Years. Months. Days.     Apr 1776 " 9 " Priv Col. Gottland " Wyncoop Capt Van Vichten 31 years Green Traditionary.   Apr 1777 " 6 " " Gen Gates " Schuyler Capt. Van Vichten 60 N. York   Dec 1777 " " 8 " " " "   1778 " 3 10 " " " "   1779 " 3 " "   1780 " 3 " "   1781 " 3 " "  
I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J. L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.
It cannot be readily admitted that the above allegations of service are insusceptable of proof. — And the regulations require that claimant shall produce the best proof possible

REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c., Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of private armed vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
 1. The Regular Troops.  2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.  3. Persons employed in the Naval Service.  4. Indian Spies. 
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will, in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of } ss. County of }
On this day of personally appeared (a) before A. B. a resident (b) of in the county of and State, Territory or District of aged (c) years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d) , with and served in the (e) regiment of the line, under the following named officers :
[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. [This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I of the Court of do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this day of &c.
If, on examination of the proper record, the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with , who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the days and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B. who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, Clerk of the Court of do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this day of &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration, (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person

will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
 1. Where and in what year were you born?  2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?  3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?  4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?  5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services. 
 6. { To a Soldier. } Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given, and what has become of it? { To an Officer. } Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it? 
 7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution. 
The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons—one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify to the character and standing of other persons giving such certificates.
The traditional evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court, by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the Peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:—For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____. For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months , is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
The notes from [a] to [j] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[k] This traditional evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[l] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[m] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
Joseph Rowan

In the matter of
Abraham Camer
an applicant for a Pension
"          " 24625
Direct to
Charles Epselstyne
Livingston
Columbia County
State of New York

said Lynde in saying that said Camer sustains a fair and unblemished reputation for honesty integrity and for truth and veracity This Deponent further says that he has never heard any individual deny or doubt that said Abraham Camer was a soldier of the American Revolution and this Deponent further says that said Camer has been confined to his bed for upwards of two years with bodily infirmity and this Deponent would further state that William Lynde whose Certificate is hereto annexed is as this Deponent is informed and verily believes about eighty years of age that he has resided in the same neighbourhood with said Abraham Camer and about one mile apart for upwards of forty years as this Deponent believes and is as well acquainted with said Camer as any other individual in said town of Copake as this Deponent also verily believes —
Sworn before me this fifth day of February A.D. 1833 John Sturtevant
John J. Miller, first Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Columbia
State of New York Columbia County ss
I David Chrysler — being duly sworn do certify and declare that I am a resident of the town of Copake in the County of Columbia aforesaid That I reside in the same neighbourhood with Abraham Camer who has sworn to the above declaration that I have lived in said town and neighbourhood for upwards of thirty years during which time I have been intimately acquainted with said Abraham Camer That I have heard his declaration read over and I believe him to be of the age therein stated That said Abraham Camer is generally reputed and believed in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the American Revolution and this Deponent concurs in this opinion This Deponent has several years ago heard said Camer relate his services performed during the American Revolution But this Deponent cannot now distinctly state what those services were but believes that they were services performed in the American army in substance as the same is stated by said Camer and this

Deponent further says that he fully concurs in the opinion heretofore expressed by William Lynch, Herman Vedder and John Shultz that said Camer is a man of truth and veracity and of fair unblemished reputation and this Deponent says that he never has heard any individual doubt or deny that said Camer was a soldier of the American Revolution and this Deponent further says that said Camer is now helpless and confined to his bed. David Chrysler Sworn before me this fifth day of February A.D. 1833
John I. Miller, first Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Columbia
I John I. Miller first Judge of the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County of Columbia do hereby declare my opinion after the investigation of the matter of Abraham Camer who has presented to me his declaration to obtain a pension under the act of Congress passed the 7th of June 1832 and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier and served as he states - And I do further certify that Herman Vedder who has signed the preceding Certificate is a Clergyman of the Reformed Dutch Church of Copake and resides in the town of Gallatin in the same County of Columbia and that William Lynch, John Shultz and David Chrysler who have severally signed and sworn to the preceding Certificates are residents of the town of Copake and are credible persons, and that their statements made by each respectively are entitled to credit. And I do further certify that Abraham Camer the applicant from bodily infirmity cannot attend court to make his application and that I attended at his

house to take his statement and deposition — And I do also certify that I have also noted the following erasures & alterations in the foregoing papers viz: in the declaration of Abraham Camer Page 2 nd line from top 14 th the words "between five and" erased also on same page in line 16 th the word "about" erased on same page in 8 th line from bottom the word "about" erased — Also in the Certificate of William Synk Page 6 th in 11 th line from top the word "generally" interlined also in the Certificate of Abraham Sedden page 7 th in 6 th line from the bottom the words "as regards the facts heretofore related" interlined before Execution And I also certify that Chas. Eperstyn is a resident of the town of Clavack in said County of Columbia who has signed the annexed Certificate and that he is a credible person and his statement is entitled to credit — Dated the twelfth day of March in the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty three
John S. Miller, first Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Columbia
State of New York } Columbia County } ss I Joseph D. Monell Clerk of the said Coun- ty of Columbia do certify, that John S. Miller Esquire before whom the preceding declaration was made and by whom the above certificate is executed was at the date of the same first Judge of the Court of Common Pleas in and for said County of Columbia. That I am well acquainted with his hand writing and verily believe his signature to said decla- ration and certificate to be genuine — Given under my hand and Seal of Office this 13 th day of March 1833
J. D. Monell
Clerk

State of New York Columbia County
On this twenty second day of January in the Year of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and thirty three personally appeared before John J. Miller Esquire First Judge of the County Courts of the County of Columbia & State of New York Abraham Warner a resident of the town of Copake in the County of Columbia and State of New York aged Eighty One years who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on his Oath Make the following Declaration in Order to Obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7 th 1832.
This Deponent Abraham Warner says that he was born as he is informed and believes in the year 1757 in the town of Claverack and that a Record of his age may be found in the Reformed Dutch Church of Claverack - That this Deponent resided with one Abraham - Munda in said town of Claverack until this Deponent arrived to the age of thirteen Years when this Deponent was bound out as an Apprentice to learn the Shoemakers trade with one Nicholas Perry of the town of Coxsackie in the County of Green in the State of New York - That this Deponent continued to reside with said Perry in the said town of Coxsackie for a number of years and as this Deponent believes until he was upwards of thirty years of age - That this Deponent resided with said Perry in Coxsackie during the whole of the Revolutionary War. This Deponent says that from Coxsackie he removed into the then town of Poughkeepsie now Copake in the County of Columbia where this Deponent now resides and where he has resided for nearly fifty Years -
This Deponent says that he entered the service of the United States under the Command of one Samuel Van Vechten as Captain who resided at the time in Catskill in said County of Green - This Deponent says that about the first service so rendered by him as such Soldier of the Revolution was on a tour of duty to the North

That this Deponent was called out on the first of April and returned on the first of January then following making nine months that this Deponent remained on duty at one time during which time this Deponent lay at fort Ticonderoga -
And this Deponent says that one Colonel Wynkoop and one Colonel Cortland commanded or were at said fort This Deponent thinks the given name of Wynkoop was Cornelius and of Cortland was Philip - This Deponent cannot recollect date distinctly but thinks it was from April 1776 until January 1777. This Deponent says after his nine months Expedition he remained at home until the next Spring when he was again called out to march to the North to join the Northern Army and this Deponent went and remained from home between five and six months. That this Deponent marched under the command of the said Captain Van Richten and went to Skeneborough and remained there about eight weeks or more - This Deponent would state a circumstance which he will recollect viz That this Deponent's Captain Van Richten lay with some other officers in the house of one Keen a Zory who had fled to Canada it was a large stone house as this Deponent thinks - That said Captain Van Richten requested this Deponent to cook for him and those officers who were stationed with him in said house and this Deponent did cook for said officers some time and while lying at Skeneborough this Deponent fell sick with the Ague and fever and remained sick for a few weeks - This Deponent would further state that he also was at Saratoga and at fort Edward and also lay with the American Troops on Van Schaack's Island and also lay with the American Army at Stillwater but how long this Deponent lay at each of said places he cannot state particularly but thinks and believes about four months in all This Deponent also recollects that he assisted in driving cattle through whole fields of grain which was ripe and fit to eat in order to destroy the same and prevent the Enemy from getting any of it - This Deponent thinks General Schuyler ordered this to be done.

And he also thinks and believes that it was destroyed for a number of miles South and East from Saratoga wherever there were clearings and crops put in - This Deponent recollects of seeing General St. Clair while this Deponent was on one of his Northern Expeditions he believes that General St. Clair was at Ticonderoga a part of the time this Deponent lay there and that he also was at Fort Edward and at Skene's = rough - This Deponent recollects that General Schuyler Commanded a part of the time while this Deponent lay at Still Water and on Van Schaack's Island - This Deponent also says that he lay a short time at Cohoes Falls but under whose Command he does not remember - This Deponent says that while engaged in the Service of the United States of America as such volunteer soldier he was requested to take charge of a team belonging to one Cornelius Spoor of Coxsackie which this Deponent says he took under his charge and returned said team and wagon to said Spoor of Coxsackie and again returned to the Army as such volunteer as aforesaid. That while this Deponent had charge of said team he was under no contract with Government or with any other person to act as such teamster in returning said team but was at that time a soldier in the service of the United States - This Deponent further says that he was under the Command of General Gates a part of the time while this Deponent lay at Still Water.
This Deponent says that he returned home from the Army according to his recollection some time in September 1777. and was again called out on an alarm at the time Kingston or Esopus was burnt by the British - This Deponent says that he went down the river he thinks below Catskill with a party of the Militia he thinks under the Command of Captain Van Klief but is not certain of this fact and was posted in the house of Ben Boyardus on the West bank of the Hudson River and while there a party of the British came on shore and fired at by one of the guards stationed at the house of said Boyardus which caused them to take to their

boat and Escape back again to their Shipbrig - This Deponent remained there some Eight or ten Days with said troops. This Deponent further Says that he was frequently called out with the Militia to march to various places to guard the inhabitants from the Enemy during the whole of the Revolutionary war and particularly during the years 1778. 1779. 1780. 1781 That during the years 1776 & 1777 this Deponent lay with the American Army, as above stated - And this Deponent would further State that he has frequently been on duty with the Militia to Schoharie Flats to Helderberg and in various places through the County of Green (then Albany) where this Deponent then resided - This Deponent says that he always was when = ever called out Either as a volunteer or drafted soldier in the service of the United States. That he has served under General St. Clair. Genl. Schuyler. Genl. Gates - as Commanding Generals. he also recollects the names of a General M'xon or a Colonel Morgan of a Colonel or General Arnold who were with the Northern Army of the United State of America when this Deponent was such soldier he also thinks that Colo- = nel Cortland and a Colonel Wynkoop were at Helderberg while this Deponent lay there - This Deponent says that he is confident he has been in the service of the United States as such soldier during the Revolution Either as drafted or as a volunteer for the space of nearly three Years and is certain that the said service exceeds two years - And this Deponent would further State that he has no knowledge of any written docu- = mentary proof of his services as a soldier of the Revolution that he can produce - This Deponent further Says that he always went whenever drafted or called out as a volunteer and that he always remained as long as his services were required and generally served under the Command of said Captain Van Vechten above ment- = ioned - This Deponent further says that he has understood and firmly believes that all the Officers of the Company to which this Deponent belonged are dead and gone and this Deponent knows of no person who is now living who can testify to the services so rendered by this Deponent as above

set forth and Expressed - This Deponent further says that for upwards of two Years this Deponent has been con- fined to his bed in consequence of bodily debility during which time this Deponent has been unable without help to get in or get out of his bed - This Deponent would refer to De William Syph as a person who has known this Deponent for upwards of forty years and to whom this Deponent is well well acquainted and who has resided in the same neighbourhood with this Deponent during the whole period above mentioned and this Deponent would also refer to De Herman Vidder who has been for forty five years the Minister of the Protestant Reformed Dutch Church of the town of Coeske to which Church this Deponent belongs as a Member thereof - both of the Gentlemen above referred to may have heard of the rendering of the said Services above set forth and both are acquainted with the general Character of this Deponent and can if called on state the same - This Deponent further says that he went on an Expedition with the Militia of the United States to Sandy Hill and there had a Skirmish with the Enemy and in said Skirmish some of the Enemy were killed two as this Deponent thinks this Deponent also would state that the active Duty performed by this Deponent during the years 1778. 1779 1780. & 1781 would yearly amount to three months and more as this Deponent verily believes in the service of the United States - which with the service performed in the years 1776 and 1777 exceeds two years - This Deponent hereby Relinquishes Every Claim whatever to a pension or annuity Except the present and declares that his Name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any State -
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid
his Abraham Camer
John J Miller, first Judges of the Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Columbia in the said State of New York

State of New York ss: (Columbia County)
I William Synk being duly sworn do hereby certify and declare that I now reside and have for the last forty five years resided in that part of said County of Columbia which is now called Coesake and which was formerly called the town of Tappansee and I do hereby further certify and declare that I am well acquainted with Abraham Camer who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration and that I have known said Camer for the last forty five years or upwards and that I believe him to be eighty five years of age as above stated in his said declaration - That he is respected and beloved in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and to have performed the services so stated by him in his declaration and this deponent concurs in that opinion - This deponent further says that he has frequently heard the said Camer previous to the passing of any pension act at least many years ago and also more recently speak and converse of the services he performed during the revolutionary war. That this deponent has heard the above declaration of the said Camer read to him and that he recollects to have heard said Camer make many of the statements contained in said declaration but cannot state particularly which but believes he has related all in substance as stated in his declaration - This deponent further says that Abraham Camer has for upwards of two years and as this deponent believes ever since the first of September 1830 been confined to his bed and is still so confined unable to help himself out of or into the same. That said Camer has for many years officiated as Clerk in the Reformed Dutch Church of Tappansee now Coesake and that said Camer has always been since this deponent knew him and is now a man of strict integrity and veracity and possesses an unblemished reputation.
Sworn and subscribed

This Deponent would further state that he has never heard any individual doubt or deny that said Camer had been a soldier of the American Revolution —
Sworn and subscribed this 22 d of January, in the Year 1853 before me — John J Miller, first Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Columbia in the said State of New York.
William Link
State of New York Columbia County } ss:
I Herman Vedder a Clergyman residing in the town of Gallatin in the County of Columbia hereby Certify that I am well acquainted with Abraham Camer who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration. That I believe him to be of the age stated by him in his declaration. That I have known him for twenty five years, during which time I have preached to the congregation of the Protestant Reformed Dutch Church of Tazewell now Copake and during which time the said Abraham Camer has been and still is a member of said Church. That I have heard said Camer relate his services or some of them which he rendered in the Revolution and this Deponent has heard his declaration above sworn to by him read over and believes that the same in substance agrees with what he has so stated to this Deponent. And this Deponent fully concurs in the opinion that said Camer was a soldier of the Revolution. And I do further Certify that I believe Abraham Camer above mentioned to be a Man of truth and veracity and of irreproachable character —
Sworn before me this 23 d of January 1853
Herman Vedder
John J Miller, first Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Columbia in the State of New York aforesaid

State of New York } ss. Columbia County
Charles Eperstyne being duly sworn, says that he examined the Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in Claverack and found that Abraham Camer above referred to in said Declaration of said Camer was born on the sixteenth of April 1751 according to the baptismal Records in said Church and also found that said Abraham was the son of Paulus Camer & Elizabeth Camer and also found that one Abraham Frenda and Jannetje his wife were baptismal sponsors or Godfather and godmother to said Abraham and this Deponent says that he found the Records as said Abraham Camer had informed this Deponent the same to be.
Sworn before me this 23 rd day of January 1833
Chas Eperstyne
John J Miller, postmaster of the Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Columbia in the said State of New York
State of New York } ss. Columbia County
I John Shultis being duly sworn do say and Certify that I am a resident of the town of Coeymans that I reside in the same neighbourhood with Abraham Camer who has sworn to the above Declaration that I have been intimately acquainted with said Abraham Camer for more than thirty five years that this Deponent believes him to be of the age stated in his Declaration that he is reputed generally and generally believed in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a Soldier of the American Revolution and I do fully concur in the same Opinion This Deponent further says that he has frequently heard said Camer speak of his services that he rendered in the Revolution many years ago and this Deponent has heard the Declaration of said Camer read over and believes that the same is in substance as said Camer has heretofore related the same to this Deponent This Deponent has heard the affidavit of William Lynch read over hereto annexed and this Deponent concurs with

In the matter of Abraham Cannon an Applicant for a Pension under the act of Congress passed June 7 th 1832
Addrs To Charles E. Stetson Livingston P.O. Columbia County State of New York

State of New York County of Columbia } p: Town of Copake }
Personally appeared before me John Baird, one of the Justices of the Peace of the County of Columbia and State of said Abraham Camer of Copake County of Columbia and State of New York who being by me just duly sworn Deposeth and Saith in answer to the following interrogatories as follows —
To the 1 st Interrogatory: Where and in what Year when You born?
Answer. I was born in the town of Claverack County of Columbia and State of New York in the year 1757
To the 2 d Interrogatory: Have you any record of your age if so where is it?
Answer: a Record of my age may be found in the Reformed Dutch Church of Claverack in Columbia County a correct Extract of which may be found in the affidavit of Charles Epilstyn annexed to my declaration heretofore sent to the Pension Office and hereto annexed
To the 3 d Interrogatory: Where were you living when called into Service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war & where do you now live?
Answer - I resided in the Town of Coxsackie then County of Albany now County of Green and continued to reside there during the whole war until I removed into the County of Columbia and for the last fifty years I have resided where I now live in the town of Copake formerly Tazewell in Columbia County of State of New York
To the 4 th Interrogatory: How were you called into Service; was you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if so for whom?
Answer: I did not turn out as a substitute for any person but went for myself as such soldier in the Service of the United States and I think I first was drafted for nine months but I cannot distinctly state because after the Company had stood their draft there were many belonging to the same company who volunteered so that nearly all the men in the Company of Captain Van Vleet turned out and therefore I cannot be positive whether I volunteered or

State of New York } County of Columbia } ss:
Personally appeared before me the undersigned a Justice of the Peace of the County of Columbia Abraham Camer of the town of Gaspere in said County and State aforesaid who being duly sworn deposes and saith that by reason of old age and the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below and in the following grade for two years and upwards I served as a private soldier in the Militia of the United States in the service of the United States during the revolutionary war and for such service I claim a pension
His
Abraham X Camer mark
Sworn to and subscribed by the said Abraham Camer before me this 8th day of July in the Year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty three
John Baine
One of the Justices of the peace of the County of Columbia vs state of New York

was drafted but I think I believe the latter - this was when I went for nine months as stated in my Declaration heretofore sent on to the War Department or Pension Office and which is hereto annexed as to the other service alleged by me in said Declaration I went as a volunteer soldier
To the 5 th Interrogatory: State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighbourhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution -
Answer: I would refer to William Lynde David Chrysler and John Shutt Jr. of Coakley and to Herman Vidder of Gallatin all in the County of Columbia or persons who are intimately acquainted with me
To the 6 th Interrogatory: State the names of some of the Regular officers who were with the troops, when you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect and the general Circumstance of your services
Answer: The Generals whom I recollect of being in the service at the time I was in the service with the Northern army were General Schuyler General St. Clair. General Gates, General Nixon. Colonel Ryncoff, Colonel Carlland, Colonel Morgan and a Colonel Wimple or General Arnold The continental or militia Regiments under General Nixon were called Nixon's Brigade they were principally from New England and according to my recollection and belief from the State of Connecticut and for a more full detail of the services and circumstances attending the same performed by me I would refer to my declaration hereto annexed
To the 7 th Interrogatory: Did you ever receive a discharge from the service and if so by whom was it given and what has become of it?
Answer: I have no recollection of ever having received any written discharge from the service as performed by me as stated in my declaration but according to my impression of belief I was always discharged by my commanding officer at the expiration of my service without any written discharge

4 This Deponent would further state as an amendment to his first Declaration herein annexed and in addition to the interrogatories and answers hereinbefore mentioned and contained that the greater part of his services were under Colonels Wynkoop and Cortland. Wynkoop this Deponent believes was from Esopus and Cortland was from Westchester County or some place near New York City and this Deponent also believes that he served under a Colonel Wemple from Albany or Schenectady and this Deponent thinks and believes that Colonel Wemple was with the Expedition that went to Sandy Hill at the time that the American troops had a skirmish with the British and Indians spoken of in the Declaration of this Deponent herein annexed when two of the Enemy were killed according to the recollection of this Deponent he was soon from home on this Expedition six weeks and as this Deponent thinks and believes he returned home sometime in the month of October 1778. This Deponent says that in November of the same year he went on an Expedition to the Schoharie to defend and protect the settlers inhabitants in that region of country from the attacks of the Enemy who had with a party of Indians and Tories burnt some buildings and destroyed some property of the settlers residing there but how long this Deponent was engaged in that Expedition he cannot fully state but believes two weeks - This Deponent further says that in 1779 or 1780 in the Spring of the year he went on an Expedition to Schoharie Flatts so called and he thinks Colonel Wemple commanded that Expedition that this Deponent was engaged in said Expedition but this Deponent cannot state fully the exact time he was so engaged but believes that the same exceeded two months This Deponent further says that he performed other services during said war as such Soldier but the exact time when the same were performed this Deponent cannot now from the feeble state of his health and eyes and the consequent loss of memory state the same with precision and this Deponent would further state that for about three years he has been and still continues to be confined to his bed unable to help himself into or out of the same or even to sit up in the same This Deponent would further state that during the years 1780 & 1781 he was frequently called out at different times on alarms to guard

The inhabitants and the public property of the United States against the hostile Indians refugees and British who burnt and destroyed the property and dwellings of the inhabitants and the defenceless inhabitants residing in and about Schoharie and Ballston Helderberg Sandy Hill. Schenectady & other places. This Deponent says that he was out twice during the summer & fall of 1781 but the exact time he cannot state but believes that it was four weeks each time. That deponent was called out at various times before and after that time in the years 1779 1780 & 1781. that was from one to three months each time but how often this deponent was called out during those three years last mentioned or how long this deponent remained in active service he cannot positively state but is certain that it was three months each year that this deponent performed active service under Captain Van Vechten. Colonel Wemple. Colonel Wynkoop Colonel Catland & a part of the time under a Colonel from Albany and this de- ponent thinks & very likely believes that Anthony Van Busyn was a Lieutenant Colonel of the Regiment to which this deponent belonged during all the time that deponent was engaged in the service of the United States as stated in his declaration hereunto annexed this deponent was not engaged or employed in any civil pursuit or business whatever - This depon- ent says that the service performed by this deponent as such soldier of the Revolution was performed at Fiends- =roja Keenborough Saratoga Van Schaacks Island Still =water Schoharie Helderberg Ballston Sandy Hill at Albany and at the Hudson River near Esopus when the British burnt the same - This deponent after diligent enquiry cannot ascertain that there is now living any individu- al that can recollect the service rendered by this deponent and therefore he states that there is none to his knowledge whose testimony he can procure. but all such circumstances as he can recollect in regard to the service so rendered by him

This deponent has set forth in her declaration —
Subscribed and sworn before his Abraham X Camer me this 8 th day of July in the mark Year of our Lord 1833
John Bain One of the Justices of the Peace of the town of Copake County of Columbia and State of New York
Columbia County ss. I. John Bain — the Justice before whom the preceding affidavit was taken do certify that I am well acquainted with Abraham Camer the above declarant and that He is generally reputed and believed to have been a soldier of the revolution and I concur in the same opinion and I also certify that said Camer is a man of fair character and his statement is entitled to the fullest credit and I do further certify that said Camer is now and has been for about three years perfectly helpless in consequence of extreme old age as I fully believe —
John Bain Justice of the Peace of Columbia County State of New York
State of New York Columbia County ss.
I Joseph D. Moull Clerk of the said County of Columbia do hereby certify that John Bain Esquire before whom the preceding affidavit and interrogatories were made and by whom the above Certificate is Executed was at the date of the same one of the Justices of the Peace of the County of Columbia aforesaid That I am well acquainted with his handwriting and truly believe his signature to said affidavit and Certificate to be genuine Given under my hand and

Seal of office this 9 th day of July in the Year of our Lord one thousand Eight Hundred and thirty three —
J. M. M c Donald Clerk

18.445
Act/55 July 17/57
SA: At blank page 3/15/57 Ed Dund
Elizabeth Poucher formerly widow of Abraham Warner Camer. Pm
7.213 Journal Sept 28 th /57
Rev. War
W.S. June '32 - 24732 " Aug 1838
Ad: 160 acc. Sept 26/57
Sept 13 Boston.
Wheeler H. Clarke Hudson N.Y.
Vol. Co - 44.

State of New York County of Columbia } ss. I, Ira C. Boice of Clarnack in said County, being sworn say, that I am Pastor of the Reformed Dutch church in Clarnack aforesaid & have the Records of said Church kept by the Rev. Dr. W. Gebhard & Rev. Mr. Stuyvesant formerly Pastors of said Church. I have examined carefully the records of said Pastors, but cannot find the marriage of Elizabeth (Boercher) Link to Abraham Boercher. Said Gebhard in 1793 & for many years thereafter was the sole Pastor of said Church & was in 1793 in charge of the Reformed Dutch Church in Tazewell in said County, in connection with said Clarnack Church, officiating in both . That I find the marriage of said Elizabeth Boercher with Anthony Boercher July 8 th 1839. Entered in said Church record in the undoubted hand writing of Rev. Richard Stuyvesant who was then Pastor thereof, and said Anthony Boercher died at Clarnack aforesaid January 21. 1857. I attended his funeral & preached his funeral Sermon. I am in no way interested in this claim. The name of Boercher is now generally spelled Boucher. Ira C. Boice Sworn to & subscribed before me this 14 th

day of July 1857 by said deponent who is a credible person & witness. The above erasure in reference to Mr Gebhards officiating in Zanesville, was made before signing & being sworn to. I am not interested in this claim, nor engaged in its prosecution.
Ebenezer G. Studley
State of New York } Justice of the peace.
County of Columbia } ss. I, David C. Keefer, Clerk of said County do hereby certify that Ebenezer G. Studley Esq., before whom the foregoing affidavit of Ira C. Pease was taken is & was on the day of the date thereof a Justice of the peace in & for said County duly elected and qualified, and duly authorized by law to administer oaths & that his signature above is genuine. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of said County this 14th day of July 1857.
D. C. Keefer Clerk
Rev. chas.
W
Camer.
March 1853.
res.
Clarke.
now.
K. N.

State of New York
County of Columbia ss. On this 8 th day of June AD One Thousand eight hundred and fifty seven personally appeared before me, Darius Peck, a commissioner of Deeds within and for the said County and State, Elizabeth Poucher aged 81 years a resident of Tazewell County of Columbia State of New York who being first duly sworn according to law, declares that she is the identical Elizabeth Poucher, widow of Anthony Poucher late of Claverack in said County deceased, that she is also the identical Elizabeth Poucher, who was formerly widow of Abraham Cramer who was a Revolutionary pensioner of the United States under an act of 7 th June 1832 at the rate of $80 per annum, that she was married to the said Abraham Cramer on the 24 th day of October 1793 by the Rev. Mr. Gethard then Pastor of the Reformed Dutch Church in Claverack afore said, deceased, the said Abraham Cramer died at Catskill in the said County on the 25 th August 1835, and that she said Elizabeth on the 8 th day of July 1839 intermarried with Anthony Poucher, above named & were married by the Rev. Mr. Stryker, the successor of said Mr. Gethard, that said Anthony Poucher died at Claverack aforesaid on the 21 st day of January 1857 and that she is now the widow of said Anthony Poucher deceased, that her maiden name was Elizabeth Lent, that she has no family record, and has never had any children, nor did said Abraham Cramer have any child or children born to him.

That after the death of said Abraham Cramer she was appointed administratrix of said Abraham Cramer's property, and she as his widow obtained the amount of pension due to him at the time of his death.
She makes this declaration for the purpose of obtaining the bounty land to which she may be entitled to under act of Congress of 3 rd March 1855, and that she has not applied for nor obtained, under this or any other act of Congress any Bounty Land.
Elizabeth her Poacher mark
Affidavit of two witnesses,
We Amy Sink of P'keepsie and Joseph Sink of Coeymans County of Columbia State of New York upon our oaths declare that the foregoing declaration was signed and acknowledged by Elizabeth Poacher in our presence and that we believe from the appearance and statements of the applicant that she is the identical person she represents herself to be, and that we have no interest in this claim. The said Amy & Joseph Sink being further sworn say they are brothers of declarant. We both know that said declarant was the wife & widow of said Abraham Cramer who was a prisoner of the United States as she has above stated. We know of our own knowledge that said Abraham Cramer is dead. We attended his funeral. We know also that said Anthony Poacher died on the 21 st day of January 1857 and Joseph Sink attended his funeral.

That said Declarant is now a widow and the widow of said Anthony Poucher, the said Joseph Link counts this affidavit says he did not attend said Poucher's funeral, they upon say they had notice of his funeral, but could not attend in consequence of the snow drifts, Mary his Link mark
Joseph Link
Magistrate Certificate,
The foregoing declaration and affidavit were shown to and subscribed before me on the day & year above written and I certify that I know the affiant to be a credible person, that the claimant is the person she represents herself to be, and that I have no interest in this claim,
Oliver Peck Commissioner of Dreds Hudson

State of New York
County of Columbia ss. I David C. McClellan Clerk of said County do hereby certify that Darius Beck Esq before whom the foregoing Declaration & affidavit were made, is & was at the time of taking the same, an acting Commis- sioner of Pleas within & for the County & State aforesaid, duly appointed & qualified & that his signature above is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the seal of said County this 8th day of June 1857.
D. C. McClellan Clerk

278.445
Elizabeth Poucher, act of 3 rd March 1855.
For the Rev d Service of Abraham Cagner. late a pensioner under Act of 7 th June 1832. See his papers.
(160 acres.)
Whalen & Clarke. Hudson. New York. Att y .
Sir Mr Poucher you will observe is very far advanced in life and is a wid w of a Rev d . Pensioner, We hope therefore you will give her claim a precedence,
Yours &c, C.
To the Com te of Pensions,
P.S. send the Warrant direct to me, Phase

1245. New York → Albany. Elizabeth Poucher formerly widow of Abraham Gamer. NY who served in the Revolutionary war, as a Private,
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 80. → Dollars 00.
Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1848 21 st January 1857.
Certificate of Pension issued the 24 th day of Nov. 1858.
and sent to H. N. Gilbert Present.
Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act July 29, 1848, Page 6. Vol. 14.
Copied for Ct. of Claims Jan'y 21/11

Declaration.
In order to obtain the benefit of the act of July 7 th 1838 & 23 rd August 1842,
State of New York
County of Columbia } ss. On this 6 th day of June in the year, one thousand eight hundred fifty seven, personally appeared before the County Court of the county of Columbia & State of New York, in open court held within & for the same, Elizabeth Poucher aged on the 8 th ultimo Eighty one years, a resident of Tazewell in said County, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the acts of Congress passed July 7 th 1838 entitled, "An act granting half pay and pensions to certain widows," and the act of Congress passed August 23 rd 1842,
That she is the widow of Abraham Camer, who in his life time drew a pension of Eighty dollars per annum under act of 7 th June 1832, for his revolutionary services, and was placed on the pension roll of the state of New York, among those residing in the county of Columbia. Declarant further says that she was married to said Abraham Camer, at Claverack in said County on the 24 th day of October, One thousand Seven hundred & ninety three (1793) by the Rev. Mr. Gebhard then pastor of the Reformed Dutch Church in Claverack aforesaid. That her said husband said Abraham Camer died at Tazewell aforesaid on the 25 th day of August A.D. 1835 and declarant was appointed an administratrix of his Estate and she obtained the arrears of pension due said Abraham Camer at his death as his widow.
Declarant further says that she was on the 8 th day of July 1839 married to Anthony Poucher of Claverack aforesaid by the Rev. Mr. Stryker then the pastor of said Reformed Dutch Church in

Claverack aforesaid and that said Anthony Poucher died at Claverack aforesaid on the 21 st day of January 1857. Declarant further says she has no record of her marriage and she is informed & believes that search has been made in the records of said, the Rev. Mr. Gerhard, but that no record of such marriage can be found.
Declarant further says that she was Eighty one years of age on the 8 th day of May 1857 and is now in her 82 nd year. That she remembers that she was married to said Abraham Camer, when in her Eighteenth year, on the 24 th day of October of the year in which she was Seventeen years old. That she was born & baptized in Rhinebeck county of Dutchess & State of New York in a Reformed Dutch Church in Rhinebeck but is informed that such baptism cannot be found.
That she is the oldest child of William Link & Maria Kilmer, That her said Father and Mother had the following children, viz. Declarant, the oldest, then John - William, Peter, Philip, Catharine, Henry, Maria, Susan, Hannah, Abraham, Joseph, Caroline, Charity & Benjamin. That her two oldest brothers are dead and died out in the western part of this State.
Said Abraham Camer never had any children nor did has this declarant ever had any children. That there were two children of said Father's family, both infants and never named, the one of said infants was the youngest child of her said Father and Mother and the other was born between Hannah & Abra- ham Link. That declarant remembers that she was married to said Abraham Camer the year said Hannah Link her said Sister was born.
Sworn and subscribed before me open court held by me Hudson Columbia county, New York this 6th June.
Elizabeth her Poucher Mark

1857 - Said Elizabeth Poucher is well known to me as the widow of said Anthony Poucher deceased Darius Peck County Judge of Columbia County -
State of New York
County of Columbia ss. I, Joseph Link of Coeymans County of Columbia & State of New York, being sworn say I am now 59 years old. My father was William Link and I am the Brother of the above named Elizabeth Poucher, of Albany Link whose affidavit is annexed. He said Elizabeth Poucher is now a widow & the widow of Anthony Poucher, who died on the 21 st day of January 1857. Said Elizabeth Poucher's first hus- band was Abraham Cramer, who in his life time was a Revolutionary Pensioner of the United States at the rate of Eighty dollars per annum, said Cramer is dead. - Deponent was born April 8 th 1798 at Coeymans in said County. Deponent has a record of his age. That his brother Abraham was next older than himself, and was about one year & ten months older than himself. That his said Father & Mother Mrs. Link's wife had then the next older child than his brother Abraham, who died when an infant & was not named. That Hannah his sister was next older about two years. Hannah is now the wife of Charles Post. My sister said Elizabeth Poucher. I have heard say was maimed when quite young, but the precise age I cannot state.
Joseph Link
Sworn before me this 6 th day of June 1857 by said deponent who is a credible person & witness
Darius Peck, Commissioner of Deeds, Hudson

Mr. Luther off for Land wms No. 43.321.
State of New York
County of Columbia & ss. Henry Link of Tazewell in said County being sworn says he has read the foregoing declaration of his sister Elizabeth Poacher & the affidavit of his Brother Joseph Link. He believes the same to be true.
Deponent was born 5 th Nov 1784. He has heretofore obtained bounty Land for his services in the war of 1812. That said Abraham Camer & said Anthony Poacher are dead & died at the times stated in said Elizabeths declaration. said Elizabeth is now a widow & the widow of said Anthony Poacher. That his sister Hannah is younger than was deponent and Maria & Susan then Hannah. Then an infant not named, then Abraham, then Joseph now her present. That deponent has no distinct recollection of said Elizabeths marriage so far as regards the time. My sister was quite young when married, and as I have heard say and as the tradi- tion in the family is that she was married when in her 17 th or 18 th year of her age. Deponent has a record of his age at home. Joseph here present is next younger than Abraham. The next older than Abraham was an infant not named that died. Hannah was next older than said unnamed infant - who said Elizabeth was an infant when she was married to said Abraham Camer.
Deponent is not interested in this claim.
Henry Link
Mark
Sworn to & subscribed before me this 6 th June 1857 by deponent who is known to me and is a credible person & witness. I am not interested in this claim nor engaged in its prosecution.
Adrian Peck Commissioner of Deeds

Very WIDOW, &c.
File No. 3593
Elizabeth Pouchet  Farmer Widow
Abraham Kramer Br. Rev. War
Act: July 29, 1846
Index:—Vol. 911 , Page 135
[Arrangement of 1870.]

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71.213
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160. Acres.

1240. New York. Albany.
Elizabeth Poucher, formerly widow of Abraham Poucher who served in the Revolutionary war, as a private
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 80 Dollars 00
Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1848.
Certificate of Pension issued the 12th day of Augt. 1858. and sent to
M c W. Gilbert
Present
Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act February 2, 1848, Page 6. Vol. H

no 1572. no 15475 acct July 29/18.
Elizabeth Poucher, former widow of Abraham Camille Columbia Co. New York //
Lit. A. N. Gilbert Sept. 15/57 " " " " Feb. 17/58 " " " " May. 8/58
July 7, 1883
78445

Elizabeth Poucher
Rev. Can. Assembled
Let Mr. Can be submitted to the Legislature as once
Ag. C.W. 18 June 1858

25 3-12 I desire to see the papers in the case of Elizabeth Forcher formerly the widow of Abraham Palmer - N.Y. Jan - 1838 -
H. N. Gilbert
May 19 th 1858 -
Washington

Washington May 31. 1858
Sir,
Please take notice that I respectfully appeal from the decision of the Commissioner of Pensions to the Secretary of the Interior in the case of Elizabeth Poucher widow of Abraham Garner, late a Revolutionary Pensioner, who claimed a Pension as his widow under the act of July 7. 1838.
It is conceded by the Commissioner that she is entitled under the act of Feb. 3. 1853: But not under the act of July 29. 1848, or July 7. 1838
The grounds for my appeal I state as follows..
1 st That the act of 1848 only requires proof of the marriage prior to 1800.. The Record of Mrs.

Poucher's baptism & admission into the church in 1795 as the wife of Abraham Gerner, & the additional evidence of cohabitation prior to 1800 is conclusive evidence of the marriage prior to 1800. . . And the department is estopped from denying the marriage, having admitted her on the same evidence to a land warrant, for the same time for which she now claims a pension.
3. That the whole evidence in the case proves the marriage & have been prior to 1 st Jan'y. 1794. (See Statement of the Evidence under the heading of "the Link family". arranged in the order of births &c. as shown by the testimony on file.

The Sink family
Born May 8. '76 - 1 Elizabeth (married to Mr. Barnes 24 Oct. 1793)
2 John (dead)
3 William (do)
4 Peter (do)
5 Henry App. Born in '84.
6 Philip
7 Catherine
8 Maria
2nd son. 1776
9 Susan
Born in '93 =
10 Hannah (married Post) App. don't know her age
'94
5 years 4 mo }
11 Infant (died out named)
'95
12 Abraham (dead)
'96
13 Joseph (found born 5 Dec. 1798 (App.))
'97
14 Caroline
15 Charity
16 Benjamin (Born in 1802) App.
17 Infant (died out named)
1776.6
5. 4
1798.

 1. The claimant testifies that she was born 8 th May 1776. which was the year of the declaration of independence. a prominent date to be noted by.  2. That she was married when in her 18 th year. another prominent event in her life. & that she was married to Camer on the 24 th Oct. 1793. which is definite & positive.  3. That she was married to Camer when Hannah her sister was born, another important event in the family. 
Hannah, an illiterate person, has no recollection of her age & cannot tell how old she is - can not read or write, but recollects that she is older than Joseph; and Abrahams who is dead; and next older than an infant still born. She remembers her mother to have said there was one year & nine months between their ages.
Other witnesses agree that there was about that space between births, & varying from 1 year 10 mo. to two years. & the general average 1 year 9 months.
Joseph testifies he has a record of his age & he was born 5 th Dec. 1798.
That Abrahams was next older than himself, 1 year & 10 months.; there an infant still born between Abrahams & Hannah - And according to the computation the most reasonable & certain of 1 year & 9 mo. between births, Hannah was born in 1793 counting backwards from 1798 when Joseph was born.
And counting downwards from Elizabeth to Hannah, Elizabeth would be in her 18 th year when Hannah was born.
And counting down from Elizabeth to Joseph. Computing 1 year & 9 mo.

between births. Joseph was born in 1798. which agrees with Joseph's Record as to his own age.
You will please cer- tify this appeal to the Secretary of the Interior, and notify me when the same shall be sent to him for his decision.
I am very Respectfully
Yours &c. Sent.
Horatio H. Gilbert Agent
Hon. Geo. C. Whiting Commissioner of Pensions

An act making appropriations for the support of the army for the year ending 30 th June 1855, approved Aug. 5 th 1854.
Sec. 3. "An act to continue half pay to certain widows & orphans" shall not be so construed as to deprive any widow from the benefits therein granted in the services of her husband, though she may have married again; Provided , however, that the applicant is a widow at the time of making the claim; Provided , such party shall not receive pension during coverture.
1 st This is merely an appropriation Bill for the year ending June 30. 1855. & did not reach any other than the provision of 1853, birth, laid at that only for the year 1855.
As such contains no appropriation for any subsequent appropriation Bill, to wit other than the provision named & a repeating clause inserted.
2 nd The last proviso in the appropriation act of 1854 for the year ending June 30 th 1855 did not apply to the 2 nd Sec. of the act of Feb. 3. 1853.

3 If it was the intention of the Legislature to apply the proviso or further ones aforesaid, to present cases, the same or a similar proviso would have been inserted in the act of June 3 d 1858, when extending the act of Feb. 3 d 1853, "to continue half-pay to certain widows & orphans"

Washington 3 Sept 1857
To
Commere of Pensions?
Enclosed you will find the application of Elizabeth Poucher widow of Anthony Poucher and formerly widow of Abraham Carmen who drew a pension in his life time under the Act 7 th June 1832 of $80. per year -
Mrs Poucher is very old and in feeble health, if consistent I wish you would make this a Special case and make returns to me
Very Respectfully Yours H. H. Gilbert

3 d An. Office Sept. 12, 1837
Sir,
Abraham Camer Albany, N. Y. roll, Act. June 7. 1832, at $80. per annum, died August 25, 1835, this pension has been paid in full to that date to his widow, Elizabeth Camer.
Very Respectfully
Thos. S. Brien
Actg Auditor
Rev. C. Whiting Esq. Comm ee of Pensions

Pension Office, Sept. 8, 1857.
No 15473
The Third Auditor will please certify the date to which with the named pensioner was paid and name of his widow, if she drew the then the arrears due at his death
Very respectfully,
J. Cole Chief Clerk
G. D. H.

State Department Washington 11 Oct 1861
Wheeler H. Clarke Hudson N.Y.
Sir:
Your communication of the 7 th inst is received. In reply will say, I shall do no such thing.
Yours, J. N. Gilbert

Hudson, New York. August 31. st 1857.
Friend D. L. S.
I enclose additional evidence in the case of Mrs. Elizabeth Poucher.
No record can be found. The evidence heretofore sent proved that she had been the wife of Abraham Camer.
See Affidavits of the Mrs. Brothers, Joseph & Henry Link.
I now send the afft of Mr. C. Boice. He proves the marriage of "Mrs. Elizabeth Camer" with Anthony Poucher.
Also Peter Poucher, afft & Joseph D. Mould.
They prove Mrs. Poucher, the declarant, to have been Mrs. Camer's widow, & now Anthony Poucher's widow.
They say her former husband, said Camer, was a Pensioner.
I can get as many affts. of that fact as you ask for, if necessary.
I hope you will attend to it without delay. Your letter said you wanted proof of the marriage. Of course that was necessary. I supposed the testimony of Joseph & Henry Link was proof . It would so be considered in this country. Mr. Poucher afft is added & Mr. Mould.

afft. Now Mr. Poucher, we consider here among our most intelligent farmers. Mr. Nodwell is considered not second to any man in this county, standing among the leading men of this county. We think this ought to be satisfactory.
Res d J. Young.
Wheeler A. Clarke.
Hon Geo. F. Whitney.
Comm ee of Pensions.

FREE
Apperforband No. 278. 4th St. Rev. L.
Hon. George C. Whiting, Comr. of Pensions, Washington, D.C.
Yrs 445 Elizabeth Fletcher on Abraham banner at 9 Pompton Sept 23/57 Wks to have one made spec. etc.
Mr. H. Clark. Yours truly M. J.

Hudson, N.Y. Sept r 21 st 1857.
Dear Sir,
On the first day of this present month, I sent additional evidence in the case of Elizabeth Poucher No. 278. 445. It is a claim for land for Rev y services, act 3 d March 1855.
M s Poucher is an aged woman, and in feeble health, and therefore we wish an early allusion thereto.
The testimony last sent I think will be satisfactory to you.
Will you make her case in reference to her claim for land a special one.
You will greatly oblige Yours very Res ly , Wheeler H. Clarke.
Hon. Geo. C. Whitney, Comm r of Pensions, Washington, D.C.

Washington May 31. 1858
Sir.
Please take notice that I respectfully appeal from the decision of the Commissioners of Pensions to the Secretary of the Interior in the Case of Elizabeth Poacher widow of Abraham banner late a Revolutionary Pensioner who claimed a Pension as his widow under the act of July 7. 1838.
It is conceded by the Commissioners that she is entitled under the act of Feb 3 1853 : But not under the act of July 29. 1848 or July 7. 1838
The grounds for my appeal I state as follows:
1. That the act of 1848 only requires proof of the marriage prior to 1800.
The Record of Mrs. Poacher's baptism & admission into the church in 1795 as the wife of Abraham banner, & the additional

evidence of cohabitation prior to 1800 is conclusive evidence of the marriage prior to 1800. Since the Department is estopped from denying the marriage, possis having admitted her on the same evidence to a land warrant, for the same service for which she now claims a pension.
2 o That the whole evidence in the case proves the marriage to have been prior to 1 st Jany 1794. (See
Statement of the Evidence under the heading of "The Link family" arranged in the order of births etc. as shown by the testimony on file.

Vm Link family
Born 8 may '76 1 Elizabeth, (married to Mr. Gamer 24 Oct. 1793
2 John (dead)
3 William (do)
4 Peter (do)
5 Henry (Appo) Born in '84
6 Philip
7 Catherine
8 Maria
9 Susan
17. 8
Born in '93
10 Hannah (married Poob) Appo. don't know her age.
11 Infant died, not named.
1794 1795 1796 1797
12 Abraham (dead)
13 Joseph (Record. born 5 Dec. 1798 (Appo.)
14 Caroline
15 Charity
16 Benjamin (Born 1802) Appo.
17 Infant died, not named.
1776 17. 6 5. 4 1798.

1 The claimant testifies that she was born 8 th May 1776, which was the year of the declaration of Independence, a prominent date to recollect by. 2 That she was married when in her 18 th year, another prominent event in her life. & that she was married to Garner on the 24 th Oct. 1793, which is definite & positive. 3 That she was married to Garner when Hannah her sister was born, another important event in the family.
Hannah, an illiterate person, has no recollection of her age - & cannot tell how old she is - she neither reads or writes but recollects that she is older than Joseph; & Abraham who is dead. & next older than an infant, still born . She recollects her mother to have said there was one year & nine months between their ages.

Other witnesses agree that there was about that space between births & varying from 1 year 10 months, to two years - The general average 1 yr. 9 mo.
Joseph, testifies he has a record of his age & he was born 5 Dec. 1798.
That Abraham was next older than himself, 1 year & 10 months.
Then an Infant still born - between Abraham & Hannah - and according to the computation the most reasonable & certain, of 1 year & 9 mo. between births. Hannah was born in 1793. counting backwards from 1798, where Joseph was born.
And counting downwards from Elizabeth to Hannah, Elizabeth would be in her 18 year, when Hannah was born.

And counting down from Elizabeth to Joseph, computing 1 yr. + 9 mo. between births. Joseph was born in 1798. which agrees with the Record of Joseph. as to his own age.
You will please certify this appeal to the Secretary of the Interior and notify me when the same shall be sent to him for his decision.
I am very Respectfully your obt. Servt.
Miss Geo. C. Whiting Commissioner of Pensions
Horatio N. Gilbert Agent

Hudson, New York. April 25 th 1857.
Rev. & dear Sir,
The widow of the late Anthony Poucher is desirous of obtaining a pension.
We find it difficult from the absence of Records to prove the time of her marriage, which in her case is very material. Mrs Poucher says her maiden name was Elizabeth Link. That she was born in Rhinebeck Dutchess County Mar y 8 th 1776 and was married on the 24 th day of October when in her 18 th year to Abraham Commer. (Second husband was Poucher)
She says she was baptised at Rhinebeck Dutchess County, by the Pastor of the Church then in Rhinebeck and which Church still remains. i.e. the successor of that church still remains. Baptised by the Rev. Mr Buck or Reese probably.
Her name was Elizabeth Link Father's name William Link.
Mother's name Maria Kilmer
God Father John Kier
God Mother Elizabeth Kier, wife of John Kier.
Whose maiden name was Elizabeth Kilmer.
& Sister of her Mother.

M rs Poucher may have been born or baptised either before or after that date. Though I think she is correct as to this date.
I send this to your Post Master who will please hand this to you & and I send a Stamp Enclosed to pay return postage.
It is important to Mr. Baumeier or Commer to have this evidence or rather information as soon as you can conveniently furnish it.
If you do not find it please note me & if you do find it please inform me.
Res t Yours.
Wheeler H. Clarke.
To the Pastor,
of the Reformed Dutch Church in Rhinebeck.
or of the Reformed Lutheran Church Rhinebeck,

Red Hook 11 May 1857
Dear Sir.
I have made the search, without finding the record desired. You might perhaps be more successful in an application to Rev. Mr. Johnson Pastor Dutch Ref. Church in Upper Red Hook.
Yours truly
Urs D. Strobel
Rhinebeck May 1 1857
Dear Sir The Pastor of the Reformed is absent. One of the officers has examined the records as far back as 1737, and don't find any Pastor by the name of Reuse. nor any of the parties you have mentioned at the date of the baptism & marriage the towns now Red Hook & Rhinebeck were one, and called Rhinebeck. There is an old Lutheran church in Lower Red Hook, and probably the records of that church. (Rev. Doct. Strobel is now pastor) would furnish the information you desire.
Yours &c A. A. Ridu P.M.

of it, must be in the hands of Dr Strobel, who is now of that Church. Dominic Coak, or Coak as the name is now known, must have been the pastor of that Church at the time Mrs Poucher was born. I am disposed to think the records of that Church must be imperfect, perhaps, indeed, they are lost. There are no other Churches that I know of in either the town of Rheineck or Red Bank, that had any records at the time Mrs Poucher was baptized, if she ever was baptized, that I know of
Yours Respectfully J. P. Johnson
Henry Dyer J. Dyer 1211 - Fruit St. P. O. Box 1234 - Boston, B.H. and Co. The Bank Street Boston - they will pay your account - your favor.  Henry Dyer June 20th 1842 Boston

Upper Red Bank May 19, 1857
J. H. Roberts Esq.
The Post Master at Rhinebeck State will please deliver this to the Pastor of the Reformed Dutch Church in Rhinebeck.
Letter To Church in Rhine beck N. York Co. May 1857.
Rev. J. H. Clarke
Enclosed is a stamp to pay return postage. You will see what I wish you have done, viz - a search for the Baptism of Elizabeth Leick. Will you please make such search and inform me of the result. I presume you have the records of your church. Hope you will search them for the Birth of Elizabeth Leick. and inform Rev. Dr. Strobel. Pastor. Res y Yours, J. H. Clarke.

Upper Red Hook
May 19, 1857
H. H. Clarke Esq
Dear Sir,
Your's of the 12 th only reached my hand on Saturday last, or it should have been replied to sooner. I was absent last week & only returned on Saturday, too late for the mail of that day.
I have looked into the records of the church of which I am pastor, & find that they contain no such name as that of the person about whom you inquire. indeed our records go no farther back than 1789 more than 10 years later than the event inquired about.
If either Dom: Reiss or Back baptized Elizabeth Sink it must be in the Records of some Lutheran or German Reformed Church that the name will be found, as they were ministers, the one, of one of those Churches, & the other, I believe, of the other. There was a German Ref d Church at that time in Rhinebeck but it was subsequently removed to Lower Red Hook & is now a Lutheran Church & whatever records there are

No. 278.445.
Elizabeth Poacher. Formerly,
Elizabeth Garner. widow of. A. M. Garner.
160 acres.
Act 3. March 1855.
Additional Evidence.
From,
Wheeler H. Clarke.
Hudson.
New York.
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State of New York County of Columbia & Gs. I, Ira C. Boice of Clarencourt in said County being sworn say I am the Pastor of the Reformed Dutch Church in Clarencourt. That the Rev. Mr. Gibbard was the Pastor thereof as early as 1790 & prior thereto as I am informed, and as the said record undoubtedly shows.
That the Rev. Richard Stuyter succeeded Mr. Gibbard and I succeeded Mr. Stuyter.
I have examined said record but do not find any marriage between Elizabeth Link and Abraham Causer. I find the marriage of Elizabeth Causer with Anthony Poucher sometime written Poucher the 8th July 1839 entered in said record in the undoubted hand writing of said Richard Stuyter, then Pastor of said Church. Said Anthony Poucher died January 21 st 1857. & I attended & preached his funeral sermon. Said Gibbard & Stuyter are dead. That from information and belief I can say that the said Eliza- beth when she was married to said Anthony Poucher was the widow of Abraham Causer who was as is alleged at the time of his death a Revolutionary pensioner. I am in no way interested in this claim, which I am informed is to be preferred by Mrs. Poucher to obtain land & a pension as the widow of said Abraham Causer for his Revolutionary services. I do not any marriage of said Abraham Causer therein recorded to any one. The entry of said marriage is as follows,
"Married July 8th 1839 Anthony Poucher Clarencourt Farmer, Mrs. Elizabeth Causer
now, and who are respectable farmers

"to be" & further said not.
Ira C. Boice
From to Subscribed before me by said Ira Boice, who is well known to me to be the person he describes himself and who is a credible person & witness.
I am not interested in this claim. The three 3 words, "as is alleged" interlined, before Ege cut out —
Elbridge G. Studley
Justice of the Peace.
State of New York
County of Columbia ss. Joseph O'Connell of Hudson in said County aged 76 years being sworn say he is an Attorney & Counsellor of law & has always resided in this County. That he is informed and believes that Elizabeth Poucher widow of Anthony Poucher late of this County etc. has applied for Bounty Land for the Revolutionary services of Abraham Cramer her former husband. Deponent knew said Abraham Cramer until the time of his death, and that the said Abraham Cramer & said Elizabeth Poucher were living together as husband & wife at the time for many years before and up to & until the death of said Abraham Cramer. Deponent is not interested in this claim.
Joseph O'Connell
Sworn to subscribed before me this 29th August 1857 by deponent who is known to me to be the person he represents himself to be, & is a credible person & witness. I am not interested in this claim. The three words, "at the time" erased before execution.
J. C. Knowlton Commissioner of Deeds.

Date of New York
County of Columbia 8 th Jo. I, Peter Boicher of Claverack in said county being sworn say I am 58 years old & am the son of Anthony Boicher dec d . & who died the 21 st or 22 nd of January 1857. My said Father married in the year 1839 Elizabeth Camer, then widow of Abraham Camer, and the same Abraham Camer, whom I had known by reputation many years before his death, and whom I have been informed & understood was a Revo- lutionary pensioner at the time of his death, and it is as many as 30 years ago when I first became acquainted with said Abraham Camer by reputation.
Since my said Father married his widow I have heard more of said Elizabeth & her said first husband than I had heard before that time though living sometimes as near as 10. Miles from said Abraham Camer. I have heard it said and I believe there is a tradition in the family which is undoubtedly that said Elizabeth married said Abraham Camer when she was in her seventeenth year, and that she said Elizabeth married said Camer when she was very young. Said Elizabeths maiden name was Elizabeth Link, the sister of Joseph & Henry Link, whom I know, and who are respectable farmers.

Residing in this County. I am not interested in this Claim.
Peter Poucher Sworn to and Subscribed before me this 27 th day of August 1857 by deponent who is a credible person and witness and I am not interested in this Claim nor engaged in its prosecution.
Stephen L. Maynard Commissioner of Deeds.
State of New York County of Columbia ss. I David C. Schaefer Clerk of said County do hereby certify that John C. Kirkkirk & Stephen L. Maynard whose names are subscribed to the affidavits of Peter Poucher & Joseph D. Monnell respectively were on the day of their respective dates Commissioners of Deeds in & for said County duly appointed and qualified & duly authorized by law to administer oaths. That Eldridge G. Standley whose name is subscribed to the foregoing affidavit of Ira C. Boice was on the day of its date & now is a justice of the peace within & for said County duly Elected & qualified & duly authorized by law to administer oaths. And that their respective signatures to said Affidavits are genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of said County this 31 st day August 1857. D. C. Schaefer Clerk.

To be filed in the Papers of Elizabeth Souther widow of Abraham banner a Revolutionary Pensioner
C. K. Averill Atty.
Representing the Agent N. S. Gilbert

An act making appropriations for the support of the Army for the year ending 30 th June 1855. Approved Aug 5, 1854.
Extract " Sec. 3 d An act to continue half-pay to certain widows & orphans "shall not be so construed as to deprive any widow from the benefits therein granted for the services of her husband, though she may have married again; Provided, however , that the applicant is a widow at the time of making the claim; Provided, such party shall not receive pension during coverture ."
1 st This is merely an appropriation Bill for the year ending June 30, 1855, & does not reach any other than the pension act of 1853 & briefly said so, & that only for the year 1855. It is not contained in any subsequent appropriation Bill - To other acts they should be named & a repealing clause inserted.
2 d The last proviso in the appropriation act of 1854 for the year ending June 30, 1855, did not apply to the 2 d Sec. of the act of Feb. 3, 1853.
3 d If it was the intention of the Legislature to apply the proviso aforesaid to present cases, or future ones, the same or a similar proviso would have been inserted in the act of June 3, 1858, when extending the act of Feb. 3, 1853, to continue half-pay to certain widows & orphans.

Brief in the case of Elizabeth Poucher , for: Wid: Abraham Pamer Columbia County and State of New York act 29 th July, 1848,
Claim, ("original," or "for increase.")
Proof exhibited, (if original.)
Is it documentary, traditional, or supported by rolls? If either, state the substance. Husband was pensioned under the Act of 7 th June, 1832, at the rate of $80. Per An: The parties were married Prior to 1800, as appears from the recon of Claimants baptism and credible parol proof. They had Children born to them before 1800. Pensioner died in 1835, & Claimant drew arrears. So says the 3 d Auditor, Mr. Pamer, intermarried with Anthony Poucher, in 1839, & he died January, 21 st 1857, as appears from the Church recon thereof & parol proof. (If for increase.)
Has additional evidence been filed since the admission of the claim? If so, what?
Claimants Widowhood & identity is Satisfactorily established Claim allowed at the rate of $80. per An: under Act of 29 th July, 1848, to commence Jan'y, 21 st 1857, when her 2 d Husband died.
H. N. Gilbert Esq., Present,
Name and residence of Agent
A. L. Burdick
Examining Clerk.

Hudson, New York. Oct 14th 1861.
Sir, I applied for a pension for Mrs Elizabeth Poncher widow of Anthony Poncher for the services of her first husband, Abraham Camer. This app n was under act of 7th July 1838.
The Com te , decided the Eviden ce not satisfactory in proving a marriage to Camer prior to Jan y 1st 1794. He gave Mrs Poncher a pension under another act however. I employed Mr Horatio N. Gilbert of Washington D.C., agreeing to give him a certain compensation, subsequently according to my recollection Mr Gilbert proposed to take the case to the Court of Claims.

but required an increase of his compensation, and the amount he claimed would leave nothing for me. To this I objected, but subsequently having made up my mind to move to the State of Missouri I consented, but as I understood he was to prosecute it in the Court of Claims & after wards Rec d a letter from Mr Gilbert saying the testimony would be required to be taken over again as the Court would not look over testimony not taken by their order. & Mr Gilbert requested me to help take this testimony to which I consented. After a long time not hearing from Gilbert & recently I wrote him that if he was not going on with the case I would, I wished to do this as I had altered my mind about

going to Wisconsin. Mr Gilbert wrote me he had concluded to take the case from the Court of Claims & take it before you.
This as I supposed and now claim alters our position.
I wrote immediately, letting him up he succeeded before you I must receive a certain com- pensation for the testimony taken in the case & which is all the tes- timony that has been taken. My requisition I considered reasonable. I rec d from Mr Gilbert the enclosed reply, which is very un courteous & I think shows that Mr Gilbert is claiming more than he has the right to claim and is assuming toward me an attitude which he does not possess. Mr Poucher employed me, not Mr Gilbert. I employed Mr Gilbert.

I do not and did not intend to do him any injustice & I do not intend to be imposed upon by him. I retain Richard W. Gilbert as my attorney until I am satisfied with his conduct better than I am now, and desire that no pecuniary certificates be delivered to him or to any one he may employ and I desire all further pro- ceedings by him & in this business be suspended for the present.
I shall this week see Mrs. Poucher & get her directions. I shall be in Washington. Myself within 4 weeks, shall see you myself.
Res d Y rs G. Jones.
Charles H. Clarke
Atty for Mrs
Elizabeth Poucher To the Com ee of Pensions.

Oct 15/49 Clarence Oct 11 '48,
Amos Wright
For the pecuniary due Abra- ham Carmer
W. 307,
See Oct. 9 '48 Pecuniary offer
Coh. W. Evans
Evans
abn barmer, alby wa,

Clarence Oct 14 th 1848
Hon. W. L. Marcy
Secretary of War.
Dear Sir
On the 11 th day of Sept. last Abrahame Carmar a revolutionary pensioner executed before me as a Justice of the peace his affidavit and power of attorney in the usual form for the purpose of drawing his pension then due. The papers were presented by the attorney at the Albany Agency office for payment and payment was refused on the ground that the power was signed by a cross mark and no explanation given, and the papers were returned to me, I then made an official certificate on the papers, that at the time they were executed the pensioner was sick and with great difficulty signed his name to the affidavit quite unintelligible and he could write no more and signed the power by a cross mark and further stated he had since died. The papers were again presented and payment refused on the ground and

that as the pensioner had since died the power died with him (so pencilled on the papers). I wish to enquire if that power is not good for the pension then due
Respectfully Yours
Anas Wright

This Cert. has not been signed The Secy. should be for period of 2 nd Coner,
Payment to be made at
Albany
by
Isaac Vanderpool, Esq.
Agent for paying Pensioners, in the Agency of
New York,
Payable on the 4th September and 4th March
Recorded in the Pension Office on the Roll of Pensioners under act February July. 29 th 1848, Page Vol.
G. T. Getty Clerk.

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR. WIDOW'S PENSION.
I certify that in conformity with the act of July 29, 1848, Elizabeth Poucher, formerly,
widow of Abraham Gamer, who was a private, _____ in the revolutionary war, is inscribed on the pension list at the rate of Eighty _____ dollars and _____ cents per annum, commencing on the 4th of March, 1848, and continuing for life, unless she should again marry; in which case the Pension is not payable after the time of such marriage.
Amount due on this certificate from 4th March 1848 to 3rd March 1858 inclusive, Pension Office calculation, $800.00
Given at the Department of the Interior, this seventeenth, _____ day of August one thousand, eight hundred and fifty-eight.
Secretary of the Interior.
Examined and Countersigned
Commissioner of Pensions.

Elizabeth Dacher, for; son: of Abraham Camer.
NY
Admit for $80 per An; Com; 21 st Jan. 1857, when 2 nd Mrs: died. 4 th March, 1848, under the act of 29 th July, 1848,
Cat: to
H. N. Gilbert Esq. Present,

Pensions
This the practice of

State of New York County of Columbia ss. I, David P. Meeus Clerk of said County do hereby certify that John C. Newkirk whose name is subscribed to the foregoing affidavit of Joseph D. Moneil Esq., was on the day of the date thereof and now is an acting Commissioner of Deeds in & for said County duly appointed & qualified and duly authorized by law to administer oaths, and that his signature above is genuine. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of said County this 31 st August 1857.
D. P. Meeus Clerk

State of New York Columbia County ss. Joseph D. Moneill of Hudson in said County being sworn say he is 76 years old and is an Attorney & Counsellor of Law, & has always resided in said County. That he is informed and believes that Elizabeth Pouche widow of Anthony Pouche late of this County etc. has applied for Bounty Land for the Revolu- tionary services of Abraham Garner, her former husband. Deponent knew said Abraham Garner until the time of his death and that said Abraham Garner & said Elizabeth Pouche were living together as hus- band and wife for many years before and up to & until the death of said Abraham Garner. Deponent is not interested in this claim.
J. D. Moneill
Sworn to and subscribed before me this 29th of August 1857 by deponent who is the person he represents himself to be & is a credible person and witness. I am not interested in this claim nor engaged in its prosecution. J. C. Newhills Commissioner of deeds

#3 Elizabeth Poucher formerly widow of Abraham Camer. Rev Pension Act of 7th July 1858. etc. Additional Eviden
Wheeler H. Clarke. Hudson. N.Y. Gilbert New York Washington Albany.

State of New York County of Columbia ss. Elizabeth Poacher of Copake in said County being sworn says that she is now residing on the same farm which her Father owned & on which he lived in 1792 & 1793, and on which she was married to Abraham Camer. That she does not know of any one now living who was at said Wedding. That there was no settled Minister at Copake Church (which) which Church was about one mile from my said Father's residence & the same Church is still at the same place, the building now being a few rods distant from where it then stood. There was at my Wedding Deponents Father & Mother, and her Brothers & Sisters, and she remembers no others. Her father & mother are dead. Deponents Brothers & Sisters were younger than herself. The oldest of her Brothers & Sisters now living was then a boy named Philip the fifth child and was then probably 9 or 10 years old.
Deponent further says she is the same Elizabeth Poacher who has applied for a pension under act of 7th July 1838 & has received Bounty land under act of 3rd March 1855, for the Revolutionary services of Abraham Camer etc. My Land warrant is No. 71. 213.
Deponent further says that she cannot state any event that took place in the year of her marriage nor in the year thereafter so as to be some of the date of same. except what she has before stated in app. That she Deponent was taken into said Church in Copake the second year after her said marriage as she has before testified and as she informed her

attorney when she first informed him that she was taken into said Church and she further says she was only in the 17 th or 18 th year when she was married as she has before stated. That she was born & baptized in Rhine- beck Dutchy County of New York in the year 1796, she was born the same year of the declaration of Independence as she frequently heard her parents say. The words, except what she has before stated in application is being intoned.
That she is now a member of the Church in Coeske and attends said Church. When living with Anthony Poacher she was a member of the Claverack Church in this County & attended there. She has not been transferred to the Coeske ~~~~~ Church, but expects to be soon.
her Elizabeth + Poacher. mark
Known to be subscribed before me this 5 th November 1857 by Mrs. Poacher who is well known to me and is a credible person & witness. And I further certify that Mrs. Poacher's mind & memory appear to be vigorous & good. The foregoing affida- vit was read to her in my presence.
I am not interested in this claim nor engaged in its prosecution.
James E. Cristie J. M. D. Pease

State of New York County of Columbia ss. William Lyall of Copake in said County being known says he is the Pastor of the Reformed Dutch Church in Copake aforesaid & has been for the last six years and has the Record of said Church in his possession & care.
That he finds an Entry in said records as follows, 2 den May 1795. Zij. v. Belijdenisse tot Sideraten aengenomen Elizabeth Link Huyfrouwe von Abraham Camer. The foregoing is an Entry which he translates literally as follows. Elizabeth Link wife of Abraham Camer was received as a member of said church, on confession of her faith on the 2 nd day of May 1795.
That by said Record it does not appear that any person was taken in as a member of said Church during the years 1792, 1793, or 1794. That the Entry immediately preceding the above Entry as above copied is an Entry of dated 28 th May 1791, & is the Entry of receiving into said Church of Peter Waggoner & Johannes Keyser. That as appears by said Records Elizabeth Schumaker & Catharine Johnson were also admitted into said Church on same day with Mrs. Elizabeth Camer. And no other on that day & that on the 31 st October 1795 other persons were taken into said Church. That there is no record of any Marriages in said record prior to September 20 th 1823, and this deponent does not know of the existence of any other than the

one Book containing any record of bap- -tes performed by the pastor of said Church which belongs to said Church before January 1795 when Mrs Elizabeth Link wife of E. Cramer was admitted into said Church said Elizabeth Poucher as he is informed & believes has been a Member in good stand- ing in said Church from the year 1795 & now is a Member of said Church in good standing, and at present is one of the members of my Church in good standing and attends my Church. That said Elizabeth Poucher is of sound mind & memory and is intelligent and in my opinion is reliable. That she signed the foregoing affidavit sworn to it in my presence after the same was read to her in my presence, Deposition counts the above by saying that strictly speaking Mrs Poucher has not been transferred from the Clavack Church to Wapake Church which has been in contemplation is shortly intended to be done.
William Loyall.
Sworn to & subscribed before me this 8th day of November 1857 by said William Loyall who is known to me to be the pastor of said Church and is a credible person & witness. I am not interested in Mrs Poucher's claim. James E. Cramer Justice Peace

State of New York County of Columbia & P. I. Benjamin Link of Tazewell in said County being known say I am in my 56 th year I was born October 19 th 1802. And am the Brother of Elizabeth Poquher formerly widow of Abraham Camer. a Revolutionary pensioner of the United States. My said Sister Elizabeth was between 17 th & 18 th years old when she was married to said Abraham Camer as I have heard my parents say and which has always been the tradition or saying of the family.
I am in no way interested in this claim of Mrs. Poquher to a pension. Deponent further saith he does not know of any family or other record containing the age or marriage of his said Sister Elizabeth Poquher formerly widow of said Abraham Camer. I now to subscribed before me this 13 th day of March 1857. by deponent, who is a credible person & witness. I also examine said deponent in reference to the tradition of relating to the age of said Elizabeth Poquher at the time of her marriage to said Abraham Camer & am of the opinion that he states the tradition of the family correctly in saying said Elizabeth is reputed to have been married to said Abraham Camer when she was in her 18 th year. I am not interested in this claim, the word not intended. C. P. Collier
Benjamin Link
Commissioner of Deeds Hudson Columbia County, NY

Elizabeth Poucher. formerly widow of Abraham Cramer, Rev Pensioner. Act of the July 1838. Additional
Wheeler H. Clarke. Hudson. New-York. May.

State of New York. County of Columbia & ss. Adam Barringer of Haskane in said County being sworn says that he is the town clerk of said Town. That in the year 1795 said Town of Haskane included what is now Pshake or a part thereof & that said Town of Pshake has become one of the towns of said County since the year 1795.
That he has as town clerk the records of said Town of Haskane; but he cannot find the record of any marriages as early as 1795. Nor has he any knowledge information or belief that said Town has any such records. Deponent is not interested in any claim Mrs. Elizabeth Poucher has to a pension.
Sworn to & subscribed before me this 31 st day of December 1857. by deponent who is to me known to be town clerk of said town & is a credible person & witness I am not interested in this claim.
Adam Barringer
George T. Smith Justice of the peace

State of New York County of Columbia } ss. I David P. Sleeper Clerk of said County do hereby certify that James E. Christie whose name is subscribed to the foregoing affidavits of Elizabeth Poacher & William Syull, was on the day of the date date thereof & now is a Justice of the peace within & for said County duly elected & qualified & duly authorized by law to administer oaths & that his signature thereto is genuine.
That George J. Finkle, Stephen S. Haggart & Casper C. Collier whose names are respectively subscribed to the affidavits of Benjamin Link, William H. Clarke & Adam Paninger were of the respective dates of said affidavits & now are commissioners of said & Justice of the peace duly elected & appointed & duly authorized by law to administer oaths, and that their respective signatures to said Affidavits are genuine. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed my seal of office this 17th day of January 1858.
D. P. Sleeper Clerk

II Elizabeth Poacher formerly Widow of Abraham Camer Act of 7 th July 1838 Additional Evidence
H. Gilbert Attorney Washington D.C.
H. B. Chapman Clerk

State of New York County of Columbia ss. I. David Schuyler Clerk of said County do hereby certify that Joseph D. Morell Esq. before whom the foregoing affidavit of Charles Esselstein Esq. was taken was on the day of its date a Commissioner of the said City & County duly appointed & qualified & duly authorized by law to administer oaths and that his signature thereto is genuine. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the seal of said County this 26th day of February 1858.

State of New York
County of Columbia & ss. I Charles Esdtyne of Livingston in said County being known say I am 54 years old & have been an Attorney & Counsellor of Law in said County since the beginning of the year 1832.
That he was some engaged in obtaining pensions under act of 7th June 1832.
That he knew Abraham Camer in his life time and that he said Camer at the time of his death was a Revolutionary pensioner of the United States under act of 7th June 1832, and as dependent believes at the rate of $80. per Annum. That at the decease said Abraham Camer I knew his wife Ediza Bath Camer, whose maiden name was Elizabeth Link & who is the sister of Joseph & Henry Link of this County.
I knew Anthony Boucher late of Claverack in this County deceased. The said Elizabeth after the death of said Camer intermarried with said Anthony Boucher & is now his widow & is the identical person who was the wife & widow of said pensioner said Abraham Camer. I am in no
way interested in this claim nor engaged in its prosecution.
Sworn to & subscribed before me this 21 st February 1858 by deponent who is a credible person & trust. I am not interested in this claim nor engaged in its prosecution.
Chas. Esdtyne
J. D. Monroe
Notary Public in & for the City of Hudson

State of New York County of Columbia ss. I David C. Keefe clerk of said County do hereby certify that Darius Peck Esq. before whom the foregoing Declaration & affidavits were made is & was on the day of taking the same County Judge & Judge of the County Court of said County, and Commissioner of Deeds in & for said County, duly elected & qualified as such Judge & duly appointed & qualified as such Commissioner and that his signatures to said Declaration & affidavits are genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the seal of said County this 8th June 1857. D. C. Keefe Clerk

Elizabeth Buecher, formerly widow of Abraham Camer. Rev Missioner. under Act of June 1832. @ 800 Dols for Annus New York Roll.
Wheeler H. Clarke Hudson Columbia Co. N.Y. New York

State of New York County of Columbia & ss. Hannah Post of Hillsdale in said County being from says that her maiden name was Hannah Link & that her father name was William Link now deceased. That M rs Elizabeth Poucher, widow of Anthony Poucher now applying for a pension & bounty Land in deponents sister. That Joseph Link & Henry Link are deponents Brothers & Brothers of said Elizabeth Poucher. That said Elizabeth's first husband was Abraham Camer, and said Abraham Camer & my said sister Elizabeth lived together as husband & wife from the time deponent first recollects them until said Abraham Camer died. That said Abraham Camer was a Revolutionary Pensioner of the United States at the time of his death. That her said sister Elizabeth Poucher, after the death of her said first husband, said Abraham Camer married Anthony Poucher, who is now dead. Deponent further says she has no record of her age and does not know how old she is nor what month or day of the month or year in which she was born & she has no information or knowledge of any record of her age. She is older than her Brother Joseph Link, and is older than her brother Abraham Link now deceased

and that she was born just older than an infant her parents had, which was still born as she was informed.
Deponent further says she has heard her mother say she had her children as often as one every year & nine months. Deponent cannot read or write, and she is not interested in Mr. Poreche's claim. Her mother says not.
Hannah her X Post. mark
Sworn & Subscribed before me this 22 nd day of August 1857, by deponent who is well known to me to be the person in the foregoing affidavit described and is a credible person & witness.
I am not interested in this claim nor engaged in its prosecution.
Philip Becker Notary Public of Columbia, Co.

State of New York
County of Columbia & Co. I. Ira C. Boice of Claverack in said County being from say I am the Pastor of the Reformed Dutch Church in Claverack in said County. The Rev d Mr. Gibbard was Pastor thereof as Early as 1790. Prior thereto as I am informed and as the said record undoubtedly shows. That the Rev d Richard Stryker succeeded Mr. Gibbard & I am the successor of of the Rev d Mr. Stryker.
I have Examined said Record but do not find any marriage therein recorded between Elizabeth Link & Abraham Camer, no as I find the Marriage therein recorded of said Abraham Camer to any one else. I find the marriage of Elizabeth Camer with Anthony Poucher sometimes written Poucher, the 8 th July 1839 Entered in said Record in the undoubted hand writing of said Richard Stryker, then Pastor of said Church. Said Anthony Poucher died January 21 st 1857 & I attended his funeral. & preached his funeral sermon. Said Gibbard & Stryker are dead. That from information & belief, I can say that said Elizabeth, when she was married to said Anthony Poucher was the widow of Abraham Camer, who was as is alleged - at the time of his death, a Revolutionary pensioner. I am in no way interested in this claim, which I am informed is to be presented by Mr. Poucher to obtain land & a pension as the widow of said Abraham Camer for his Revolutionary services. The entry of said mar- riage is as follows, "Married July 8 th 1839 - Anthony Poucher, Farmer. Claverack - over"

Mrs Elizabeth Caamer, Copake. and further with not. Re C. Boice
Sworn to subscribed before me this 26th August 1857 by Defendant who is the person he represents him- self to be & is a credible person to witness. The words "as is alleged" interlined before signing.
I am in now way interested in this action Elbridge G. Dudley Justice of the peace.

County of Columbia & J. S. Peter Poacher, of Claverack in said County being sworn say I am 58 years old and am the son of Anthony Poacher decd. & who died the 21 st or 22 nd Jannary 1857. My said Father married in the year 1839, Elizabeth Camer, then widow of Abraham Camer, decd. and the same Abraham Camer whom I had known by reputation many years before his death, and whom I have been informed and understood was a revolutionary pensioner of the United States at the time of his death, and it is as many as thirty years ago, when I first became acquainted with said Abraham Camer by reputation. Since my said Father married said Camer's widow I have heard more of said Elizabeth Camer & her said first husband, than I had heard before that time though living sometimes as near as 10 miles from said Abraham Camer. I have heard it said, and I believe there is a tradition in the family that said Elizabeth Camer married said Abraham Camer when she was in her seventeenth year. said Elizabeth's maiden name was Link & is sister of Joseph & Henry Link whom I know to be respectable Farmers in

in this Country.
I am not interested in this claim.
Peter Pucher Sworn to and subscribed before me this 27 th day of August 1857 by deponent who is a credible person and witness and I am not interested in this claim nor engaged in its prosecution.
Stephen L. Lagon Commissioner of Deeds.

Elizabeth Poucher widow of Anthony Poucher. formerly
Elizabeth Camer, widow of, Abraham Camer, Rev. J. P. Poucher. Act 7 th June 1832. $80 per Annum Fom.
William Clarke. Hudson H. N. Gilbert Present at New York at New York
State of New York, County of Columbia ss. I David C. Chapman Clerk in County do hereby certify that Philip Becker whose name is subscribed to the affixant affidavit was at the time of signing the same a Notary Public in and for the County of Columbia duly elected & qualified according to law to administer the oaths of office & qualification to the said Philip Becker at the time of signing the same

State of New York, County of Columbia ss. I David C. Keese Clerk of said County, do hereby certify that Philip Becker whose name is subscribed to the affidavit of Hannah Post, and Elbridge G. Studley whose name is subscribed to the affidavit of Mr. D. Boice, is now at the time of taking same acting Justices of the peace in & for said County, duly elected & qualified & duly authorized by law to admin- ister oaths. That Stephen L. Maynard whose name is subscribed to the foregoing affidavit of Peter Poacher is and was at the time of taking same a Commission- er of Deeds in & for said County duly appointed & qualified & duly authorized by law to administer oaths, and that their signatures to said affidavits respectively are genuine. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the Seal of said County this 27 th August A.D. 1852.
D. C. Keese, Clerk.