Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 16,885, John Carman, New York

SERVICE
New York.
Warman John Galletta
NUMBER _____
W. 16885
CONTENTS

4011
New York.
Gaetta Carman, who was widow of John Carman dec d who died on the 5th June, 1823, of Tappan Co in the State of New York who was a Private in the company commanded by Captain McHough, of the Reg t , commanded by Col Dubois in the New York line for 8 months,
Inscribed on the Roll of a Allow at the rate of 26 Dollars 66 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1834.
Certificate of Pension issued the 13th day of May 1844 and sent to Hon. H Wheeler Sec y of War
Arrears to the 4th of March 1844 $346.50 Semi-annual allowance ending 4 Sept. '44 13.33
$359.91
{ Revolutionary Claim, Act July 4, 1836, Section the 3rd }
Recorded by W. Lampkin Clerk, Book C Vol. 1. Page 109
Referred
Det. Advo. June 17, 1851,
Date of death not on file.

5617.
Galettia farman N.Y.
act 4 July 36
Ship Carpenter not mil. Tary - rolls only 4 mo. 15 th Fallow for service before 78 - 3/15 th say 8 mo allied.
Strophe
26. 66
Hon. H. Wheaton H.R.

Declaration
In order to obtain the benefits of the third section of the act of Congress of the 4th July 1836
State of New York
County of Tompkins } ss On this six th day of February 1841, personally appeared before the sub- -scribes Justice of the peace in and for the aforesaid county Gaietta Carman, a resident of Ulysses in the county and State aforesaid, aged eighty four years, who, being first duly sworn according to law, doth on her oath, make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefits of the provisions made by the act of Congress, passed July 4th 1836: That she is the widow of John Carman of Ulysses who was a soldier & an officer in the war of the Revolution. That her husband John Carman entered the service in the war of the Revolution in April 1776 in Orange County State of New York, was stationed at Fort Put near west point & that he served more under the immediate command of Gen l Washington than any other one, that on the arrival of the declaration of independence, the said John Carman read by order of Gen l Washington said Declaration of In- -dependence before the regiment, that he was in the battle of White Plains, this service was called the minute service & it was before there was much of a settled rule as to officers, or rather when soldiers took hold & served as did John Carman above named one year from April 1776 to April 1777 as a private - when in April 1777 he was transferred into the quartermaster department & served under Col Dubois or Col Platt, that in this service he served as quartermaster & a part of the time did the duties of Commissary That he thus served one year & three months, when he was transferred or ordered by Washington to repair to Poughkeepsie N.Y. being a ship carpenter to

assist in building & repairing ships & water crafts, that he continued in this employment mostly till the summer of 1779 but that he did occa- sionally serve as a soldier & that this deponent will recollects of her husband John Carman coming home from fort Put where Genl. Arnold was, the very night before the attempted surrender of said fort to Maj. Andrie & told to this deponent the story that he was fearful that something was about to take place at the fort, that quite a move had been made there, that the said John Carman returned back to the said fort & was there when Maj Andrie was taken, was at the execution of Maj Andrie, that the said John Carman, entered the service in Sep r 1779 under Col Zeph Platt in the State of New York & served at that time three months, that he again entered the service of the revolution in April or May 1780 as a soldier under Capt Arthur Smith & Col Johnson & served in Ulster Co. New York One month, and that he again entered the service of the Revolution the last of June or first of July 1780 served under Col Lewis Dubois One month, when he again entered the service of the Revolution the middle of Aug t 1780 under Capt John Mc Hought, or Hought & Col Lewis Dubois and that he served as a soldier in that term four months in Ulster, Orange & Dutches Co. New York, and this deponent finally declares upon her oath that her husband John Carman entered the service in the Spring of 1776 and that he continued in it till the close of the Re- volutionary war, that he was absent from home & only occasionally returning home on a visit for the whole of seven years, or the whole of the time after she became the wife of the said John Carman and that during the whole of that time he was either engaged in the war of the Revolution as a private or an officer, or in the building, repairing, rigging & navigating Sloops, Schooners &c. on the Hudson River in the State of New York under orders of Genl Washington

That the said John Carman was in two other engagements, other than the one at White Plains but this deponent cannot recollect distinctly where it was that his services were all performed not far from the border, or on & along the margin of the Hudson or North River, in the Counties of Orange, Ulster, Dutches, Westchester, Rockland &c. in the State of New York - She further declares that she was married to the said John Carman on the first day of June Seventeen hundred & Seventy Seven at Stony Creek in the County of Dutches in the State of New York; That her husband, the aforesaid John Carman died on the fifth day of June eighteen hundred & twenty three; and that she has remained a widow ever since that period, as will more fully appear by reference to the proof hereto annexed - That she is & has been confined to her house from not having the use of her legs for seven years, I swear to, and subscribed, on the 6 th and upward of a day, of Febry. and year above written Galletta his Carman Mark before me Luther Lewis J.P.
I certify that I am personally acquainted with Widow Galletta Carman above named & who is as such widow in this making application for a pension, I can with pleasure say that she is a credible person, fully to be believed & to the truth of her statement here made I can have not one doubt, I further certify that I believe her to be of the age represented by her eighty four years old, and that she is entirely confined to her house from not having the use of her legs and that she has been so confined for more than seven years, being unable to walk.
Luther Lewis J.P.
I certify that Galletta Carman cannot write save a signature Old Age Luther Lewis J.P.

State of New York Tompkins County Clerk's office ss. S. Millet B. Gourdard clerk of the county of Tompkins do certify that Luther Lewis whose name is subscribed to the within affidavit and certificates severally was at the time of taking said affidavit a Justice of the Peace in and for said county duly qualified & sworn as such and further that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of said Justice and verily believe the signatures to said affidavit & certificates genuine In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the said county the 17th day of June 1842 M.B. Gourdard clerk
(No 5617)

Hannah Carman Deceased Sept 30 th 1766
Anna Carman Departed this Life October 13 th 1799 on Sunday half after 7 in the Morning
Elizabeth Carman Born Wednesday January 22 nd 1770
John Carman Born Thursday January 22 nd 1770 Departed this Life Saturday August 24 th 1782
Cornelius Carman Born Wednesday July 21 st 1779
Mary Carman Born October Friday 27 1780
James Carman Born Thursday Sept 4 th 1782
John Carman Born Monday August 19 th 1787
Hannah Carman Born Saturday May 23 rd 1789 Departed this Life August 4 th 1798
John C Carman Departed this Life June the 15 th 1823 - aged 72 years
James Carman Departed this Life March the 29 th 1828 Aged forty seven years

State of New York,
Tompkins County) ss Personally appeared before the Subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for said County John Carman of the town of Ulysses in said County aged fifty six years the 13th of August 1843, after being duly sworn according to law, deposeth & saith that, John C. Carman, who was a soldier in the war of the Revolution, was this deponents father & that widow Galtta Carman, who is making application for a pension as the widow of the aforesaid soldier of the Revolution, John C. Carman, is this deponents mother - & that the aforesaid parties, John C. Carman the aforesaid soldier of the Revolution and the present widow Galtta Carman, had five children older than this deponent - and this deponent, deposeth & saith, that the attached family record, is the old family record of this deponents father and mother and of the ages of their children, and that this deponent has full confidence in the truth of it, as therein set forth and that the entire in said record is in the hand writing of this deponents, said father, the aforesaid John C. Carman down to entry of the death of said John C. Carman that this deponent, has full confidence in the truth of said record -
Subscribed & sworn before me this 3 rd day of November 1843
George Goodwin } J P of said County
John Carman
I certify that the above named John Carman is a highly respectable person - George Goodwin } J P

State of New York
Tompkins County Clerk's office. I, M c Intunden Deputy Clerk of the said County do hereby certify that George Good- win before whom the within affidavit purports to have been made was at the date of the same a Justice of the peace in the said County dwelling in said County commissioned & sworn & duly authorized to act as such & further that I am well acquainted with his hand writing & hereby believe his signature to the affidavit & certificate is genuine
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the seal of the said County at Ithaca this 6 th day of November AD 1843 M c Intunden Deputy Clerk ack

Brad
Quit
Double
Will Mr Goddard, please write his certificate & impress his seal on the blank, let the seal fasten the ends of the tape, turn the sheet inside out & direct it to me & if possible mail it on Monday morning, if not, please not fail to mail it on Monday, as also Mrs Smith Yours truly Brad Joy

February 23, 1934
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Mr. D. S. Purdy 139 East State Street Ithaca, New York
JOHN GARMAN W. 16885 BA-J/MLB
Dear Sir:
You are furnished herein the history of John Garman (also referred to as John C. Garman), as found in the papers on file in pension claim, W. 16885, based upon his service in the Revolutionary War.
The date and place of soldier's birth and names of his parents are not shown in the claim.
While residing in Dutchess County, New York, about six miles from Poughkeepsie, he enlisted in April, 1776, and served at various times until the close of the war, possibly as much as four years in all, as private, commissary in the Quartermaster Department and ship carpenter; his service was in the New York troops under Captains John Drake, Thomas Lee, Arthur Smith, John M. Foght, Lieutenant John McBride, Colonels Van Schaick, Samuel Drake, Lewis Du Bois, Zephaniah Platt and Johannes Johnson; he was in the battle of White Plains and others not named, and was present at the execution of Major Andre; it was stated that he also served as an officer. There is on file an official New York State Report, on which the name of John Garman is borne as ensign, but no proof was established that he was the same John Garman who rendered the service shown.
It was stated that John or John C. Garman was a large man and a good reader, that he was in service in the Revolutionary War at the time the Declaration of Independence was received by the regiment and that he was selected to read it before the regiment. He died June 5, 1823, at the age of seventy-two years, in Dutchess County, New York, at the home of his son, Cornelius. Soldier married June 1, 1777, at Stony Creek, Dutchess County, New York, Galletta Swarthout.

Soldier's widow, Galetta, was allowed pension on her application executed February 6, 1841, at which time she was aged eighty-four years and a resident of Ulysses, Tompkins County, New York.
The following children of John or John C. Garman and his wife, Galetta, were referred to in the claim:
Elizabeth and John Garman (twins) born January 22, 1778; John died August 24, 1782, and Elizabeth, who in 1843 was living in New York City, but was formerly of Lone (or Low) Point, Dutchess County, New York, then signed as Betsy Thompson but did not state the name of her husband; Cornelius Garman born July 21, 1779, in 1842 referred to his own daughter and her family, his brother and to a sister of his mother, but gave no names; in January, 1843, he gave as his address, Fishkill Post Office, Dutchess County, New York, while on April 3, same year, he gave as his address, Oaks Corners, Phelps Town, Ontario County, New York; Mary Garman born October 27, 1780; James born April 4, 1782, and died March 29, 1823; John born August 13, 1787, and in 1843, a resident of Ulysses, New York; Hanah born May 23, 1789, and died August 4, 1790. It is not stated whether Mary Garman, soldier's daughter, was ever married, nor is the surname Purdy shown in this pension claim.
The following data are also shown with no explanation of their relationship to the family:
Hannah Garman deceased September 30, 1766 Anna " " October 13, 1799 John H. " " May 31, 1809
In 1842, Mary Phillips, born 1763, a sister of soldier's wife, Galetta, made affidavit in Ulster County, New York, in support of the widow's claim for pension; in the same year, Catharine Harris born in 1758, another sister of soldier's wife, was living with her son-in-law, Henry Andrews, in New York City (the name of her daughter who married Henry Andrews not stated).
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator

1933, Oct. 30. Fleet 6 Mrs. Mrs. H. P. Holt. — MLB 1934 - Dec. 23 - Mr. D. B. Purdy, Jr. - history and adv. rel. 20 photostatic copies, MLB 1934 - May 23 - Mr. D. S. Purdy adv. cost 5 photos - MLB 1934 June 15. Photos mailed to Herman J. Purdy & account. New mtg. d. 4/2/34
Rev WIDOW, &c.
File No. 16885-
Galetta Carman Widow of John Carman Died Rev. War
Act: July 4th 1886
Index: Vol. a, Page 119

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I have withdrawn the deposition of Mary Phillips in favor of Gallitta Carmine of Tompkins Co. N. York for the purpose of obtaining the certificate of character of the justice. Washington June 1. 1843
Abra Loy

STATE OF NEW-YORK. CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW-YORK, } ss.
I, NATHANIEL JARVIS, CLERK of the City and County of New-York, and also Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the said City and County, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That Nicholas C. Evertt before whom the annexed deposition was taken, was, at the time of taking the same a Justice of The Peace in and for the said City and County, duly commissioned and sworn, and authorized to take the same, and that I believe the signature of said Nicholas C. Evertt thereunto subscribed is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of the said Court and County, the 18 day of October 1842
Nath Jarvis

STATE OF NEW YORK, } COUNTY OF ULSTER. } ss.
I, GEORGE A. GAY, Clerk of the County of Ulster,
Do hereby Certify, That Richard Garrison Esquire the person before whom the annexed affidavit was taken whose name is subscribed to the Certificate to the same was at the time of taking said affidavit, or deposition a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid, dwelling in the said County, duly elected and sworn and authorized to take the same
And further, That I am well acquainted with the hand-writing of the said Justice and verily believe that the signature to the said Certificate purporting to be his is — genuine.
In testimony whereof, I have heretofore set my Hand, and affixed the Seal of the said County,
the 17 th day of September A. D. 1842
Geo. A. Gay Clerk

State of New York
City & County of New York } ss Personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in & for said county Catharine Harris, of said City who after being duly sworn according to law deposeth & saith that she was born in the year 1758 Seventeen hundred & fifty eight, that Galletta Carman, (the widow of John Carman) who is applying for a pension from Tompkins County New York is this deponent's elder Sister & that she is the widow of John Carman who was a soldier in the war of the Revolution, that this deponent was personally acquainted with the aforesaid John Carman when he was a young man & before his marriage to her said Sister, and that her said Sister Galletta was married to the said John Carman as early as Seventeen hundred & Seventy Six, or Seventy Seven at Stony Creek in the County of Dutches, and that her said Sister Galletta Carman as the fruits of said marriage had a Son & daughter, twins, born as early as Seventeen hundred & Seventy Seven, one of which is now living, & that as the further fruits of her said marriage she had a son born as early as Seventeen hundred & Seventy Nine, who is Cornelius Carman now living in Dutches County New York, that the aforesaid John Carman & Galletta Carman lived together as husband and wife as early as Seventeen hundred & Seventy Six, or Seventy Seven & that they thus continued to live together as husband and wife till the death of the said John Carman, and that her said Sister Galletta Carman's husband the aforesaid John Carman was a soldier in the war of the Revolution, that he served under that name in the Counties of Dutches, Ulster, Orange, Westchester &c from time to time before and after his said marriage under many officers, viz, under Capt Drake & Col Drake, Capt Lee Capt McKnight Col Dubois Col Johnson, Col Platt Lieut Mc Bride, that the above named John Carman was the identical soldier & person who did service in the war of the Revolution under that name, of this fact, this deponent cannot be mist- aken, & that she knew of no other John Carman who did Revolutionary services, and that the aforesaid John Carman was absent from home on duty much of the time & for several years during the said war of the Revolution & that her said before named Sister Galletta Carman (who is applying for a pension as the widow of the said John Carman) is the identical person & widow of the said John Carman) who was deprived of the company & protection & suffered from the absence of her said husband, he being absent from home in the service of the war of the Revolution, of all these facts this deponent cannot be mistaken.
Subscribed & sworn before me
Catharine her Harris mark
This 8th day of June 1843
D. P. S. (initials)
Justice of the Peace City & State of New York

State of New York
City & County of New York 3 ss Personally appeared before the subscriber a justice of the peace in & for said City & County Betsy Thompson late of Lowpoint Dutches County, now of the City of New York, who after first being duly sworn according to law deponeth & saith that she was born in 1777 Seventeen hundred and seventy seven in Dutches County New York, and that widow Galletta Carman, widow of John Carman, who is applying for a pension from Tompkins County New York as the widow of John Carman, is this deponent's mother, & that her late husband the aforesaid John Carman was her father, that this deponent had a twin brother who is deceased & that she has a brother by the name of Cornelius Carman of Lowpoint Dutches County N.Y. who was born as early as 1778 Seventeen hundred & seventy nine, this deponent further testifies that from a child she had always been informed & believed that her said father, the aforesaid John Carman had been a soldier in the war of the Revolution & that she had from a child learned from her said mother the above named Galletta Carman that she had suffered & underwent great & severe privations during the war of the Revolution from the absence of her said father the aforesaid John Carman being absent from home & performing the services of a soldier in the said war of the Revolution, of these facts this deponent has no doubt, that her said father the above named John Carman was the identical person and soldier who performed Revolutionary services under that name this deponent has no doubt, & that the above named Galletta Carman who is applying for a pension as his widow, is the identical person & widow of the identical person & soldier John Carman who served in the war of the Revolution, & that the above named John Carman this deponent's father, & the above named Galletta Carman, this deponent's mother, lived together as husband & wife from the first recollection of this deponent to the day of the death of her said father the aforesaid John Carman.
Subscribed & sworn before me This 8th day of June 1843 J Randall Justice of the Peace City & State of New York
Betsy her Thompson mark
I certify that Betsy Thompson who testified to and subscribed her name by making her mark to the above deposition is a respectable person of sound mind & of good recollection & memory, and that she shewed clearly and distinctly that she was aware of every fact asserted in her deposition above, full credit is due to the same
J Randall Justice of the Peace City & State of New York

I certify that Catharine Harris who testified to & subscribed her name by making her mark to the annexed deposition is a highly respectable old lady, of sound mind & of good recollection, and that she clearly and distinctly shewed that she was aware of every fact asserted in her deposition annexed, full confidence and credit is due to her said deposition annexed
D. Randall Justice of the Peace City & State of New York
STATE OF NEW-YORK, CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW-YORK, } ss.
I, ANDREW WARNER, CLERK of the Court of Common Pleas for the City and County of New-York, being a Court of Record, and the County Court, DO CERTIFY, That David Randall Esq. before whom the annexed deposition, were taken, was, at the time of taking the same, a Justice of the Peace in and for said City and County, duly commissioned and sworn, and authorized to take the same; and that I am well acquainted with the hand-writing of such Justice and verily believe that the signature s thereunto subscribed are genuine.
In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto subscribed my name, and affixed the seal of the said Court, the 8 day of June 1843
Andrew Warner Clerk

State of New York } ss Personally appeared before the County of Dutchess } Subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for said county & state Cornelius Carman & on being duly sworn according to law deposeth & saith that he is aged Sixty four years, that he is a son of Widow Galletta Carman of Tompkins County New York who is applying for a pension as the widow of John Carman, and that the aforesaid John Carman was the father of this deponent and that the aforesaid John Carman his father & Galletta Carman above named his mother, lived together always from this deponent's first recollection, to the death of his father the said John Carman (June 1823) -- This deponent says further that his said father the above named John Carman resided during the revolution near the present residence of this deponent - to wit, some Six Miles from Poughkeepsie in Dutchess County New York, and opposite some four miles up the Hudson river from Newburgh; that this deponent from his earliest recollection, learned from his father, the above named John Carman, that he was out in the war of the revolution & in the service of his country during the whole time of the revolution; that this deponent has no doubt of this fact, & this deponent fully believes & has no doubt that the aforesaid John Carman was the identical person & soldier who served under that name in the war of the revolution, that this deponent never heard of any other revolutionary soldier of the name of John Carman, & that the above named Galletta Carman this deponent's mother, is the identical widow of the aforesaid John Carman & that they were married about the commencement of the war of the revolution Subscribed & sworn before me this 31 - day of Jan'y. 1843 } Cornelius Carman
Joseph Cromwell Justice of the Peace for said County I certify that the above named Cornelius Carman is a man of good standing, a man of truth & respectability & full faith & credit is due to his deposition above - Joseph Cromwell

State of New York } Personally appeared before the subscriber County of Dutchess } a Justice of the peace in and for said county & State William Sebring of said county who on first being duly sworn according to law deposes & saith that he is Seventy eight years of age, that he was personally acquainted with John Carman, the late husband of widow Galletta Carman of Tompkins County New York who is applying for a pension as such widow, from his first recollection, that this deponent was also acquainted with Galletta Carman above named, & that the aforesaid John Carman & Galletta Carman lived together as husband & wife during the war of the revolution, and from about the commencement of said war of the revolution and that the said John Carman was absent from his home & his wife & family as a soldier engaged in the war of the revolution, and that the said John Carman was the identical person & soldier who served under that name in the war of the revolution, in Dutchess Westchester, Ulster, Orange & other Counties in the State of New York, and that this deponent did not know any other revolutionary soldier of that name who served in the war of the revolution, nor did this deponent at that time know of any other John Car- man & therefore has no doubt of the fact, that the above named John Carman was the identical soldier who served in the war of the revolution under that name & that the aforesaid Galletta Carman is the identical person & widow of the aforesaid John Carman Subscribed & sworn before me this thirtyfirst day of Jan'y. 1843. }
Wm Sebring
Joseph Ennalls Justice of the Peace in and for said County.
I certify that the above named is a respectable person, a man of truth & integrity and full credit is due & should be given to his deposition above
Joseph Ennalls

State of New York } SS Personally appeared County of Dutchess } before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for said County State Elizabeth Robinson and on being duly sworn according to Law deposeth and saith that she is aged Seventy three years that she was personally acquainted with John Carmean late husband of Galletta Carmean of Tompkins County New York who is making application for a pension as her widow from the deponents earliest recollection and that the John Carmean & Galletta Carmean were married at the deponents Fathers House and in her the deponents presence and lived together as husband and Wife in the early part of the war of the revolution to the time of the death of the said John Carmean and to the best of her knowledge and information which she heard at that time the said John Carmean was a revolutionary Soldier employed in the regular service in the Counties of Dutchess Westchester Orange Ulster & other Counties along the north River in the State of New York This deponent knows of no other person of the name of John Carmean who was en- gaged in the war of the revolution other than the above named John Carmean and that the aforesaid John Carmean and Galletta Carmean were the identical persons who lived together as husband & wife as above named till the death of the said John Carmean
Sworn and Subscribed this 11 th day of February 1843 in the year 1843 Joseph Cromwell Justice of the Peace in and for said County
Elizabeth Robinson

State of New York County of Dutchess Co. I Robert Mitchell Clerk of the County of Dutchess and Clerk of the County Courts of said County Do hereby Certify that Joseph Cromwell Esquire whose Name is on this and the annexed half Sheet Six times written was on the several days of the date of such Signatures a Justice of the Peace in and for the said County of Dutchess residing in the Town of Fishkill duly Elected and sworn - and further that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of such Justice and verily believe that the Six Signatures "Joseph Cromwell" above and within written are genuine and in the proper hand writing of the said Justice.
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of the said Courts and County this fifteenth day of February in the year 1843.
Robert Mitchell, Clerk.
I certify that the within named Elizabeth Robinson is a person of good standing a person of truth and respectability and full faith and credit is due to her deposition as within Joseph Cromwell

183 184 Abad Joy's Ord Venica Co New York

State of New York } ss, Personally appeared before the County of Dutchess } Subscribed a justice of the peace in & for said county Cornelius Carman, who on being first duly sworn according to law, deponeth & states that John Carman his father died at his house in said county in June eighteen hundred twenty three, and that the said John Carman was the husb- and of Galletta Carman who is now applying for a pension as the widow of John Carman - That this deponent always from a child had understood that his father the aforesaid John Carman was a Soldier of the Revolution & that he was in the Revolution from the beginning to the end of it as a Soldier in actual service, that he has heard Galletta Carman his mother the identical person above named & who was the identical wife of the said John Carman the said Soldier talk often of the Revolutionary war & of its privations & hardships & that it has always been his understanding & belief that his mother the said Galletta Carman was the wife of the said John Carman during the said war of the Revolution Subscribed & sworn before me This 29 th day of June 1842 }
John Callen justice of the peace Cornelius Carman

STATE OF NEW-YORK, } ss. County of Duchess.
I, Robert Mitchell, Clerk of the County of Duchess,
DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That John Catter Esq. before whom the annexed deposition was taken and whose name is subscribed to the Certificate of the attestation of the same - was at the time of taking such deposition a Justice of the Peace - in and for the County aforesaid, dwelling in the said County, duly elected & sworn -
AND FURTHER, That I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Justice - and verily believe that the signature to the said deposition - is - genuine.
In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the Seal of the said County, the 29 th day of June. A. D. 1842.
Rob t Mitchell Clerk
I hereby certify that Cornelius Caiman who executed the within affidavit is of good character for truth & veracity, & that full reliance should be placed on the said affidavit - John Catter Justice of the Peace

Ovid July 2 o 1842
Dr Sir In support of the case of Mr Carmann I send you annexed the affidavit of the time of the death of Mr Carmann -- you see the same letter below, the aunt he speaks of will probably be a witness in support of the device if no more is needed -
Your Obed t Serv t . Brad Joy
District 30 July 1842
Miss Brownell I send you the papers as you requested. Will you please inform my mother & brother that I am gitting on very well, and request them to write me and let me know particularly how they are and what they are doing. My daughter was at my place a short time since - she and her family are well - I heard from my mother's sister in New York and she was well.
In haste
Brad Joy Esq Cornelius Carmann P.O. Box 13

no 5617 June 28. 1842.
Toy
July 4. 1836
Galetta Carman
J. L. Edwards Pension Agent Washington D.C.
Ames

In pursuance of a law passed the 27th day of April, 1784, entitled "An act for the settlement of the pay of the Levies and Militia, for their services in the late War, and for other purposes therein mentioned," the following certificates have been issued, bearing interest at five per cent per annum, viz :
   1780 June 18 John Carman 30440 Qrt 0 15 10   1779 Nov 21 John Carman 18447 " 2 18 7   1780 July 31 John Carman 26314 " 0 12 5   1780 Octo 26 John Carman 26347 " 7 12 0   1779 July 3 John Carman 34679 En 11 39 0  
30-20940
STATE OF NEW-YORK, COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, Albany, February 3 1841.
I hereby certify the above to be true extracts from Book No. 1.4.647 now remaining in this office, and that the service for which the certificates above named were issued, were performed under the following officers, viz :
 First—under Capt. Arthur Smith in Col. Johannes Johnson Regiment. Ulster Co. Militia  Second, " " Thomas Vee " " Zeph h Platt " associated E. & P. Co.  Third, " Lt John M c Brude " " Lewis Dubois "  Fourth, " Capt John M c Keight " " Lewis Dubois "  Fifth, " " John Drake " " Sam l Drake " Westchester Co. Mil.  Sixth, " " " " " "  Seventh, " " " " " "  Eighth, " " " " " " 
The word "Zeph h Platt" written an erasure M c Intyre Dip Comp.
Less chg d Are d for 75¢ It is not necessary to place the official seal to the document. Nor can it be determined at this office where the bonds were paid.

Arch Campbell in care of Carman
[Signature] Abad Joy Esq Ovid N. Y.
— Cowin a Witness
go to Romulus on Tuesday

John Carman
1780 June 18 — L.O. 15.10 Capt Arthur Smith Colo Johannes Johnson Ulster Co
1779 Nov 21 — 2.18.7 Capt Thos Lee = Colo Zeph Platt
1780 July 31 — 0.12.5 Lt John M c Bride Colo Lewis Dubois
1780 Octo 26 — 7.12.10 Capt John M c Hughes " do do
Secretary's Office
Albany Dec. 16. 1840
Sir,
Your letter of the 27. November in relation to John C. Carman and Ralph Swartout was rec d on the 30 th of said month, and as I did not find the names of the said persons in this Office I handed your letter to the Comptroller who has the pay Rolls of the Militia & Levies who were in service in the Revolutionary War. The Search was not finished until this day when the above memorandum as to the pay of John Carman was handed to me — If you think the same will be of any use, You will please to write to Bates Cook Comptroller and he will send you a regular Certificate of the facts. The fees he says will be 50 cents. They found nothing of Ralph Swartout on the books.
Yours very respectfully
Arch d Campbell Dep Sec
Abad Joy Esq

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Brad Joy
Ovid
Seneca County
New York
Single - Rev. 24th Nov

State of New York
County of Dutchess ss Personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for said county William Schuring of Fishkill Landing aged seventy eight years and upwards, after being duly sworn according to law, deposeth & saith that he has from a boy of 10 or 12 been personally acquainted with John Corman, & his present widow Galletta Corman who is applying for a pension as his widow from Southpoint Co New York, this deponent deposeth & saith that he resided a close neighbor to the aforesaid John & Galletta Corman, & knew them from his earliest recollection, & knew that they lived together as husband & wife at the first recollection of this deponent; the aforesaid Widow Galletta Corman, was before marriage Galletta Swarthout, that she has at this time a son by the name of Cornelius Corman residing at Southpoint, that she is the identical person & widow of the aforesaid John Corman, who was the soldier in the war of the Revolution who served under that name, that the widow Galletta Corman aforesaid was the wife of the aforesaid John Corman, the identical soldier & person who did serve in the war of the Revolution under that name, this deponent being a close neighbor well knows the facts above stated, he well knows that the aforesaid John Corman was a soldier in the war of the Revolution, & that the widow Galletta Corman who is making application for a pension is the identical person and widow of the aforesaid John Corman; this deponent was well acquainted with the movements of the army and he never knew any other soldier of the name of John Corman, save the above named John Corman
Subscribed & sworn before me this 23 rd day of November 1843
Wm Schuring
Joseph Cromwell Justice of the Peace in and for said County
I certify that the above named Wm Schuring is a highly respectable person and substantially of a sound mind and good memory and that he seemed to recollect every fact set forth in his deposition as above
Joseph Cromwell Justice of the Peace in and for said County
State of New York
County of Dutchess ss Personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for said County Abeta Schurch of Southpoint in said county aged upwards of seventy eight years after being duly sworn according to law deposeth & saith that she resided seventy years since at Southpoint a close neighbor to John Corman, & his then wife, the present widow Galletta Corman, and has been from her first recollection personally acquainted with the aforesaid parties, this deponent further saith that the said Galletta Corman was before marriage Galletta Swarthout & that she has a son Cornelius Corman now residing at Southpoint, this deponent can well recollect of the Revolutionary war, & of the aforesaid John Corman, being a soldier in the war of the Revolution, and that the late husband of the aforesaid Galletta

Carmen, the aforesaid John Carmen was the identical soldier & person who did service in the war of the Revolution under that name, that the Widow Galletta Carmen who is applying for a pension from Tompkins County New York is the identical widow of the aforesaid John Carmen, the late soldier in the war of the Revolution, that this deponent residing all the time of the Revolution a near neighbor to the aforesaid parties, is thus enabled to know, & to have a data to judge by & that she can not be mistaken in the facts here set forth
Subscribed & sworn before me
this 23 rd day of November 1843
Alta Schenck
Joseph Cromwell justice of the Peace in and for said County
I certify that the above Alta Schenck is a highly Respectable Person and entitled to full credit in her deposition
Joseph Cromwell justice of the Peace in and for said County
State of New York
County of Dutchess ss Personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the Peace in and for said County Peter Bogardus of Fishkill Landing aged upwards of seventy years, after being duly sworn according to law, deponeth & saith that he was when a boy personally acquainted with John Carmen late a soldier in the war of the Revolution & the late husband of Galletta Carmen, who was before marriage Galletta Swarthout, & who has a son Cornelius Carmen residing at Lowpoint, who is making application for a pension as the widow of John Carmen, a of Tompkins County New York, that this deponent was from a boy personally acquainted with the above named parties, that this deponent was in the practise of going with his father to Lowpoint to the place of residence of the aforesaid John & Galletta Carmen, that the aforesaid John Carmen worked at ship building for this deponent's father, when this deponent was a lad a boy and that he thus became more particularly acquainted with the aforesaid parties, this deponent further deponeth & saith that Galletta Carmen, the mother of Cornelius Carmen of Lowpoint, & who was before marriage Galletta Swarthout is the identical person & widow of the identical person and soldier John Carmen, who did the service in the war of the Revolution under that name,
Subscribed & sworn before me
this 23 rd day of November 1843
Peter Bogardus
Joseph Cromwell justice of the Peace in and for said County
I certify that the above Peter Bogardus is a highly respectable Person and entitled in his deposition to full credit
Joseph Cromwell justice of the Peace in and for said County

State of New York,
County of Dutchess ss Personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for said County Ann Bogardus of Fishkill aged Seventy Seven Years, after being duly sworn according to law, deposeth & saith, that she has from a young woman been acquainted with John Carman & his present widow Galletta Carman who is applying for a pension as his widow from Tompkins County New York, and that the aforesaid widow of John Carman was before her marriage Galletta Swarthout & she now has a son residing at Poughkeepsie, that she is the identical person and widow of John Carman late a soldier in the war of the Revolution, that the aforesaid widow Galletta Carman who is applying for a pension from Tompkins County New York as the widow of the aforesaid John Carman the late soldier in the war of the Revolution is the identical person & widow of the identical person & soldier the aforesaid John Carman who did the service in the war of the Revolution under that name
Sworn and subscribed before me this 23 rd day of November 1843
Ann X Bogardus marks
Joseph Cromwell justice of the Peace in and for said County
I certify that the above Ann Bogardus is a highly Respectable Person and entitled to full credit in her Deposition
Joseph Cromwell justice of the Peace in and for said County
State of New York & Dutchess County ss
I Robert Mitchell Clerk of the County of Dutchess and of the County Courts of said County Do hereby certify that Joseph Cromwell Esquire before whom the four above written depositions were taken and whose name is on this sheet Eight times written, was on the day of the date of such signatures respectively, an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County of Dutchess residing in the Town of Fishkill, duly Elected and sworn, and that the Eight signatures "Joseph Cromwell" above and within written are genuine and in the proper hand writing of the said Justice.
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of the said Court and County this Twenty fourth day of November in the Year of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and forty three.
Robt Mitchell. Clerk.

State of New York,
County of Dutchess ss Personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for said County at Fishkill  on the  22nd day of Fishkill aged Seventy Seven Years, after being duly sworn according to law, deposeth & saith, that she has from a young woman been acquainted with John Carman & his present widow Galletta Carman who is applying for a pension as his widow from Tompkins County New York, and that the aforesaid widow of John Carman was before her marriage Galletta Swarthout & she now has a son residing at Lompiont, that she is the identical person and widow of John Carman late a Soldier in the war of the Revolution, that the aforesaid widow Galletta Carman who is applying for a pension from Tompkins County New York as the widow of the aforesaid John Carman the late Soldier in the war of the Revolution is the identical person & widow of the identical person & Soldier the aforesaid John Carman who did the service in the war of the Revolution under that name
Sworn and Subscribed before me this 23 rd day of November 1843
Ann X Bogardus marks
Joseph Cromwell Justice of the Peace in and for said County
I certify that the above Ann Bogardus is a highly Respectable Person and entitled to full credit in her Disposition
Joseph Cromwell Justice of the Peace in and for said County
State of New York & Dutchess County ss
I Robert Mitchell Clerk of the County of Dutchess and of the County Courts of said County Do hereby certify that Joseph Cromwell Esquire before whom the four above written depositions were taken and whose name is on this sheet Eight times written, was on the day of the date of such signatures respectively, an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County of Dutchess residing in the Town of Fishkill, duly Elected and sworn, and that the eight signatures "Joseph Cromwell" above and within written are genuine and in the proper hand writing of the said Justice.
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of the said Court and County this Twenty fourth day of November in the Year of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and forty three
Robt Mitchell. Clerk.

Medina N.Y. June 20. 1843
Rev.
J. L. Edwards Commr. of Pensions Washington D.C.
William Lennan Esq.
Oct 14. 42
Wm. Lloyd

Capt Drake in Col Drake's regiment, also under Lieut Mc Bride Col Dubois' regiment, and under Capt Mc Hought and Col Dubois' regiment, that the said John Carman served as a private and as an officer, that he served in the various capacities in the war of the revolution three or four years and that whatever service was performed by any soldier under the name of John Carman, was so rendered and performed by the said John Carman the late husband of the said Galletta Carman & for whose services she is now applying for a widow's pension
I sworn & subscribed before me this 12th day of September 1842
her Mary Phillips mark
Richard Garrison
Justice of the peace in and for
I certify that I am acquainted with Mary Phillips who executed the above deposition, and that she is a credible person, that full credit is due to her statement in the above deposition in all respects
Sept 12th 1842
Richard Garrison Justice of the peace in and for Ulster County
I further state that the said Mary Phillips can't write in consequence of being blind Therefore makes her mark
Sept 12th 1842
Richard Garrison Justice of the peace in and for Ulster County
I further certify that Miss Mary Phillips above named is of apparent sound mind & has good recollection & memory & clearly and distinctly showed that she was aware of every part asserted in her deposition
Richard Garrison Justice of the peace in and for Ulster County

Onondaga County N.Y. Oct 10th 1842
Hon J L Edwards
Dear Sir
Herewith you have the proof of the marriage & of the services of John Carman, which with the Comptroller & Secretary's certificate of service, I hope will establish the claim of the widow to a pension —
Respectfully Your Ob d Serv t Abra d Loy
that the

Ovid Seneca County N.Y. Oct 10th 1842
Hon J L Edwards
Dear Sir
Herewith you have the proof of the marriage & of the service of John Carmen, which with the Comptroller & Secretary's Certificate of Service, I hope will establish the claim of the widow to a pension —
Respectfully Your Ob d Servt Abad Joy
that Sta

PORTLAND ME.
Aug 9 43
Mr
Glasgow
L. Schwantz Com'dg Officer Washington D.C.
Very

Ovid Aug! 4th 43
Hon J. L. Edwards
Sir
I have yours of the 29 th and submit the case of Galtia Carman, I have forwarded to you the Comptroller & Secretary of State certificate of the Services of John Carman to the amount of a year, or something like it, as I do not pretend to understand the rule of scoring - you have the papers before you, more than half of that service was as an Ensign as the certificate states: I do not expect at this late day to prove any more services than is stated in these certificates; as to the identity I have furnished 5 or 6 witnesses of the identity of John Carman with the service performed &c &c - I have not attempted as I think to prove the service, but only the identity with it, & present the certificate as the proof = I was present in the city of New York, at the taking of the deposition of Mrs Harris & Mrs Thompson - the proof of the Marriage you have from all the witnesses & from two of the children either of whom were born before the service alluded to was performed = I beg leave to say I consider her case fully made out & ask a pension certificate in return  Yours very Resp t Serv t Brad Joy
I refer you to my former letter - recaptured - of Nov 1 st 

Ovid Aug! 4th 43
Hon J. L. Edwards
Sir
I have yours of the 29 th and submit the case of Galtia Carman, I have forwarded to you the Comptroller & Secretary of state certificate of the Services of John Carman to the amount of a year, or something like it, as I do not pretend to understand the rule of receiving - you have the papers before you, more than half of that service was as an Ensign as the certificate states: I do not expect at this late day to prove any more services than is stated in these certificates; as to the identity I have furnished 5 or 6 witnesses of the identity of John Carman with the service performed etc etc - I have not attempted as I think to prove the service, but only the identity with it, & present the certificate as the proof = I was present in the city of New York, at the taking of the deposition of Mrs Harris & Mrs Thompson - the proof of the Marriage you have from all the witnesses & from two of the children either of whom were born before the service alluded to was performed = I beg leave to say I consider her case fully made out & ask a pension certificate in return Yours very Ob st Servt - Arad Jay  I refer you to my former letter - recaptulated - of proof -

FREE
Hon. J. L. Edwards Coul. of Pensions Washington D.C.
Ans.

FREE
Hon C. L. Edwards Coul. of Pension Washington D.C.
Aug.

Ovid July 8 th 1843
Hon J. L. Edwards
Sir
I inclose a few lines from R. Garrison Esq, entirely unmarked, it may go so far in support of Mrs Galletta Carman's claim for a pension; on the rec d of this, with the depo- -sition already rec d of Mary Phillips fully certified & Mrs Harris, & Mrs Thompson, all fully certified, if you then allow Cornelius Carman, Mrs S being & Mrs Terbos, Robinson's depositions, I think you will have no difficulty in deciding this case in favor of a pension to Mrs Carman - Your Most Ob dt Servt Brad Joy

Woburn County - June 16 th 1843
Friend Jay Esq r - Dear Sir according to your request I have subscribed officially to the - Deposition of Miss Mary Phillips and mailed the same at Modena directed to the Hon J L Edwards Washington P 6 according to your directions I am yet an acting justice of the peace I think. There is now a impropriety in adding officially to my name at present in this case I am personally acquainted with Miss Mary Phillips who makes the deposition and have known that the widow of John Barron is intitled to a pension from the United States - I feel myself under obligations to our revolutionary Patriots and and their surviving Widows - - - - -
Yours with respect & c
Richard Garrison

June 12 '43
NY Hon
Gaetta Garman
J. L. Edwards
Com. of Pensions
Washington
D. B.
FILED
Recd

Ovid Seneca Co. N. Y.
June 6th 43
Hon. J. L. Edwards,
Dear Sir
May I be allowed to re-call the deposition of Cornelius Corman, W m Schuyler & Terborr Robinson, all rec d at the same time say in March 1843 - answered March 25th - I withdrew them for the purpose of obtaining the justices certificate agreeable to your requisition in yours of March 15th - I have visited all of the persons above named and learn that they were most scrupulously exact in making their depositions, they hesitated to go as far even as they verily believed to be all they knew, & all of the persons are of highly respectable character, if you will allow me, as you have done in several instances, to withdraw their depositions, I hope to be able to remove every doubt from your mind in relation to the manner of obtaining them, & it will more over save me the great trouble & expense of procuring a new set of depositions from those persons, the depositions were in the case of Galletta Corman under the law of 1836
I forward you herein the deposition of Mrs Harris & Mrs Thompson fully certified to as you required, you will also receive in a few days the return of the deposition that I withdrew of Mary

Phillips, fully certified to, officially - you will then have 6 depositions in support of Galletta Corman's claim to a pension when they are all returned, thru me, Mrs Harris, Thompson & Phillips will soon be in hand & the other three as soon as I receive them from you I shall forward them to Dutcher Co to be made as you require & then return them to your office
I am truly Your Ob t Servt Asa D. Joy
I have withdrawn the depositions of Cornelius Corman Mrs Schuyler Lebert Robinson, for the purpose of procu- ring a certificate of their knowledge of all & every fact stated in said depositions, & then to return them
Asa D. Joy
June 5th 1843
Said depositions are in support of Galletta Corman's claim to a pension

Apr 8. 43
Galetta Cannano NY
Ch. L. Edwards Com. of Pension Washington D.C.
Ans

Ovid April 3 rd 1843
Hon J. L. Edwards
Dear Sir you will receive about the time of the rec d . of this, a deposition of Arad Joy mailed at Waterloo, in favor of Mrs. Galletta Corman, I hope and trust that it will prove satisfactory in this case, to establish the identity of Galletta Corman being the widow of the identical John Corman, who served in the war of the Revolution, agreeable to the Certificate of the Secretary of State & Comptroller of the State of New York, as also a proof of other services
As to the establishing the identity of John Corman, I think it is fully done, if it is not, I suppose there can be proof found of the identity, by visiting it his old neighborhood, yet it would be attended with great trouble & expense, whereas if you are as well satisfied as I am at the identity now having been made out, I trust you will not call for further proof in this case, as to service, or identity —
Respectfully Your Ob d Serv t Arad Joy

State of New York County of Seneca { ss Personally appeared before the Subscribed a Justice of the Peace in & for said County And I, of Ovid in said County on being sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following statement, that in the month of June last past, he called at the dwelling of the widow Galletta Corman in Tompkins County New York, that from the personal interview, and from her history at that time, this deponent was entirely and fully satisfied, as he had before been that her said husband John Corman, was the identical person & soldier who served in the war of the Revolution under that name and that the facts set forth in her declaration and application for a pension were fully true; that this deponent was fully satisfied that her late husband the aforesaid John Corman, was a large man & a good reader, & that he was in the service in the war of the Revolution at the time the Declaration of independence was received, in the regiment & in the army & that he was selected as the man to read it before the Regiment & did read it, that this deponent is fully & entirely sat- isfied that her late husband the aforesaid John Cor- -man was the identical soldier who served in the war of the Revolution as set forth in the certificate of the Comptroller & Secretary of State, of the State of New York, that this deponent is abundantly satisfied that the said Galletta Corman is fully entit- -led to a pension; that this deponent learned at that time from the lips of Mrs Galletta Corman

that her sister Mrs Mary Phillips who she said was born in 1763 was present at her wedding, & was a g nanted & knowing to the services from time to time in the war of the Revolution, of her said husband John Carman that this deponent also learned at that time from the lips of Mrs Galletta Carmen that her sister Mrs Catharine Harris, who resided with her son-in-law Henry Andrews in the city of New York was an older sister than Mrs Mary Phillips and that she was acquainted with the fact of the marriage of the said Galletta Car- man to the said John Carman, & that she was also acquainted with the services of the said John Carm- an in the war of the Revolution, that this deponent called about the 30th Nov last upon the said Mrs Harris at the residence of Henry Andrews & that he learn- ed from her, that she was acquainted with the servi- ces of the said John Carman in the war of the revolution, & from her particularly this deponent learned, the exact residence of Cornelius Carman, the son of the said Galletta & John Carman, & this de- ponent also learned from her particularly the name of the place where the said John & Galletta Carman formerly resided, during the Revolution, & this de- ponent learned from Mrs Harris that the identity of John Carman being established, would be easily done, by calling upon old persons in his old neighbor- hood, that this was learned particularly from Mrs Harris for the reason that that this deponent neglected to learn it from Mrs Carman, that this deponent on reaching her old residence of John Carman, & forwarded to the

This deponent had no wish, no desire, no intention of eliciting one word or a part of a word, more than the truth, this deponent solemnly declares that all he did wish or hope to establish, was the truth, the facts in the case, that so far as his own opinion, or his own mind as to the identity of the said Galletta carman being the widow of the said John Carman, the identical Soldin who served under that name in the different Companies along the North River in the State of New York, he has no more doubt, than he has of his own existence -
Sworn & Subscribed before me This 14 th day of April 1843
Brad Joy
James Foster Justice of the Peace in & for Seneca County
State of New York Seneca County ss } I James Foster the Justice of the Peace who took the foregoing affidavit of Brad Joy do hereby certify that I have been intimately acquainted with him for ten years or more that he is a person of good moral character a consistent member and officer in the Presbyterian Church and on account of his good character for truth and veracity entitled to full faith and credit for the several statements made by him in the foregoing affidavit
James Foster Justice
of the Peace in & for Seneca County
State of New York Seneca County ss } I do hereby certify that James Foster Esq. whose signature appears to the above jurat and certificate of the preceding Deposition, was on the day of the date of said jurat & certificate, a Justice of the Peace in & for the said County of

Seneca duly commissioned and sworn. And that I am well acquainted with his handwriting & verily believe that his several signatures to said joint Certificate are genuine & in his own proper handwriting. And that I have been acquaint- ed with Asad Soy, Esquire four years upwards and that he is a gentleman, whose statements are entitled to full faith and credit on account of his good character for truth and veracity. In Testimony whereof I have hereunto subscri- bed my name & affixed the seal of the Court of Com- mon Pleas of said County this 3 d day of April 1843. C. D. Hanks, Clerk. of Seneca County.

Mar. 1. 1883
REC'D
My Hon
J. L. Edwards Com d of Pensions Washington D.C.
Ames

Ovid Feb 23 d 1843
Hon J. L. Edwards
Dir
You have before this rec d . from Dutches Co. N.Y. Three depositions in favor of Mrs Galletta Carman; I think they establish the identity of John Carman, & have been the very man, the soldier, & who served under that name & the identical husband of the said Galletta Carman - there appears to have been but one John Carman & that identity falls upon this J.C. the late husband of Galletta C - of the truth of this I have no doubt
Your Most Ob st Servt Isaac Loy

State of New York } Personally appeared before the subscriber County of Dutchess } a Justice of the peace in & for the county & State aforesaid who on being duly sworn according to law, deposeth & saith that he is aged years, that he was personally acquainted with John Carman, the late husband of Galtta Carman of Tompkins County New York, who is making appli- -cation for a pension as his widow, from this deponent's earliest recollection, and that the said John Carman & Galtta Carman lived together as husband & wife from an early part of the war of the revolution to the time of the decease of the said John Carman; that the said John Carman was in the war of the revolution from time to time after his said marriage; that the aforesaid John Carman was the identical soldier & person who served in the war of the revolution under that name in the counties of Dutchess, Westchester, Orange, Ulster & other counties along the North river in the State of New York, this deponent knew of no other person of the name of John Carman who was engaged in the war of the revolution, nor did he know a person of that name during the said war of the revolution other than the above named John Carman, and that the aforesaid John Carman & Galtta Carman were the identical persons who lived together as husband & wife as above named, till the death of the said John Carman Subscribed & sworn before me me this day of Jan'y. 1843
I certify that the above named is a respectable person, and a man of truth & of high standing & is fully to be believed, & full credit is due to the deposition above sworn to & subscribed by him

Mr Cornelius Carman
Ovid Jan. 6. 1843.
Dear Sir - I send on this sheet 3 deposition the blanks to be filled in each & the names & dates put in, the war department require further proof of the identity of your father & of his service, that he was the identical soldier - I presume you have knowledge of the one written for you, and as you are near the old residence of your deceased father, no doubt but that you can find old men who knew your father & who can attest to all I have written under oath, don't omit to put in their names, ages & the date, the Justice will sign officially in all cases. Sign the certificates offi- cially, after the 3 depositions are finished, get the County Clerks certificate & seal attached to this sheet, put a wrapper around it, & direct it to "Hon. J. L. Edwards Court of Pensions Washington D.C." Mail it & inform me by mail the date of your mailing it, send this whole sheet as it is. Respectfully Yours. Brad Loy
Incl
Mr Cornelius Carman Lone Point Fishkill P.O. Dutches County New York Single - In haste - Pension business for his mother
Hon J. L. Edwards will please answer this, to Brad Loy, Ovid Seneca County New York

Jan 12, 43
N.Y.
Galetta Cannon
FREE
J. L. Edwards Com d of Pensions Washington D.C.
Wm

Ovid Seneca County N.Y. Jan'y 5th 1843
Hon J. L. Edwards
Sir
I have rec d . yours of the 31 st Ultimo in relation to Gabetta Carman, I regret that I feel called on to trouble you so much in this case, & beg leave to say (& I hope I may be excused for so doing) that Mrs Gabetta Carman has 2 Sisters, who are witnesses for her, Mrs Mary Philip, & Mrs Catharine Harris, the latter of the city of New York & I think when you wrote on the 25th Oct last, which must have been soon after the rec d . of Mrs Harris deposition, as it was mailed in N.Y. Oct 18th, that you did not discover that it was another Sister than Mrs Philip, & that your answer referred to Mrs Philip, & not to Mrs Harris, as in none of your letters have you named Mrs Harris; I think those depositions have been coupled into one & all called Mrs Philip —
I beg leave therefore respectfully to ask you to examine Mrs Harris deposition, which you must have rec d . about the 22 d Oct last — I beg leave then to say, that taking the deposition of the two Sisters, I think the identity of John Carman as the person who served as noted from the State depart

ment of this State, fully made out — if Mrs Harris deposition Mailed Oct 18th has not been recd. I can procure one from her & forward to your office, but I think you will find it in your office — The services of John Carman are proved by those depositions, as well as the marriage — Very Respectfully Yours
Ob. Servt Abad Joy

Dec 14, 1842.
NY
G. Chapman
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J. L. Edwards Comt. of Pensions Washington D.C.
Ames

Ovid Seneca Co New York Dec 9th 1842
Hon J L Edwards
Dr Sir
On the 5th Nov I wrote you, that in Oct last I forwarded from New York City post office, the deposition of Mrs Catharine Harris, in support of Mrs Galtetter Garmans claim to a pension, I was in New York Nov 30th and called on Mrs Harris who say, she executed such a paper &c -
Will you please examine your file in favor of Mrs Garmann & if you do not find it please inform me, that I may obtain one again from Mrs Harris, as she knows all about it, is a smart, intelligent old lady, & is willing to make another deposition - - If you have rec d this deposition, I conclude the case is fully made out -
Respectfully I am Your Ob d Servt Abra Doy

Oct 25. 1842
NY
Galena Carman
J. L.
Edwards
Com d of Pensions Washington D. C.
Ames

Ovid Seneca County N. Y.
Oct 22 d 1842
Hon J. L. Edwards.
Dr Sir - I beg leave respectfully to make some explanation in relation to Mary Phillips testimony in case of Galletta Corman, if I may be allowed to state them - I wrote the deposition of Mrs Phillips, and it was taken there to her in person by one of her relatives; the history contained in the deposition I learned from Mrs Galletta Corman, she stated to me that her sister Mary Phillips was present at her wedding & was a personal witness to her marriage, thus Mrs Phillips testified, which I had very respectfully hoped would have established that fact -
I then wrote as Mrs Corman directed, that is Mrs C said her Sister Mrs Phillips was often at her house, & knew personally the facts of her husband's service & that she presumed she must have known the officers under whom Mr Corman served, I therefore inserted their names, but it turned out that the old lady was not so fully acquainted with them as to be willing to attest to that, but she attests to the service - The identity of John Corman, the late husband of Galletta Corman as the identical soldier that served under that name she had no hesitancy in attesting to, & as I thought did make full & complete attestation to that - I beg leave therefore respectfully to say, that I had hoped that the identity & position of the marriage, was fully & completely made out, as well as the identity of the person of John Corman as the soldier who did

did the Service under that name & who was positively the late husband of Galtia Carman, may I be allowed to ask your re-perusal of the deposition of Mrs Phillips
If the Justice omitted to place his name officially to the certificates, I can obtain a new deposition or if you had no objection I would return the present one I can mail it to him & ask him to fill out that omission, I do not, I cannot believe it was an intentional omission, but an oversight — having as much confidence & as much belief in the truth of Mrs Phillips deposition as I have in the certainty of the sun rising, I cannot think but that the Justice of the peace who administered the oath to her, would be willing to back up a sanction in doubly strong terms the conviction in his mind of the facts set forth by her
I gathered my knowledge (to be sure, from Mrs Carman but her history to me was so plain, that Mrs Phillips must have been knowing to all she has stated & more, that I wrote the deposition from her statement as I have before said & did not then doubt the truth of it nor do I at this time —
I am most Respectfully Yours Ob d Serot. Brad Joy
When you receive the deposition of Mrs Harris of Mrs Carman another Sister It may remove the doubts in the case of Mrs Phillips, though I think Mrs Harris was not present at the marriage, but Mrs Phillips was present & a witness to the marriage

July 25 '42
Mr
Mr. Garman
L. Stevens
Pension Agent
Washington
D.C.
Army

Ovid Seneca County New York July 20th 1842
Hon J. L. Edwards
Dear Sir
Yours of the 29th ultimo, by the way of Homer, N. Y. to which place it had no doubt been mis directed, after a delay of some 10 days at Homer, has come to hand — I beg leave to trouble you with a few lines, the object of which is to remove, if I can, any wrong impression that you may have imbibed relating to Mrs Carmans application for a pension — Will you please allow me to say that I wrote her application, that she was not governed in the least manner, nor did she know any thing of the Comptrollers, or Secretary of states certificate, the former one was rec d by me long after I had written her application, & bears date only 3 days previous to the date of the execution of her papers which took place some weeks after I had written them — I saw Mrs Carman but a few days since, she appears to be of sound mind, of bright intellect, of good memory & tells the history of the war & of her husbands service just like a book, she needs no help from the Comptroller , the thing is very plain to her, & she seems to know all about it, I hope her claim will not be prejudiced from having been rec d with those certificates —
Yours very Ob d Serv t
Abad Joy
Further proof I expect to make, or she says she can do.

Comptroller Certificate Mr Corman
N.Y.
Miss Anna E.
Dear Miss E. C. [Signature]
1911

Ovid Seneca 6 o New York June 23 o 1842
Hon J. L. Edwards
Sir
Will you return your answer to Mrs. Carman's application for a pension to me, if further proof be wanted, please let me know what is required - I saw Mrs. Carman on the Doct's instant & she was well for an old lady, but confined to her house - Your very Ob st Servt Brad Joy

Add the card of Galetta barnas,
Hon Horace Wheaton M.C. Washington D.C. Hon. H. Wheaton H.R.
Out

Hon H. Wheaton
Ovid Dec 15th 1843
My Dear Sir
I take the liberty of inclo- -sing some depositions & a family record, in the case of Widow Galletta Corman, itman, it may be proper that I give a history of this case - The marriage & Service of John C itman, are already in proof in the hands of Hon Col Edwards, viz, the deposition of Mrs Phillips who comes recommended as a very highly respectable old lady, of sound mind &c. now over 80 a Sister to Mrs C. she was often as she says at her Sisters house in the absence of her husband John C itman in the Service of the war of the Revolution, she seems to know positively of the fact; Mrs Harris one of the most respectable old ladies in the City of New York aged 85 another Sister, testifies to nearly the same, Several other depositions of nearly as much in point; the above named proof not being satisfactory, I went a second time to Dutchess county & onto the old ground, the said to be old residence of John C itman, after I had went the rounds, and ascertained what the several witnesses knew in relation to the case the identity, I went to a proper place, & wrote the depositions of Mrs Lebring, Abetla Schenck, Peter Bogardus & Ann Bogardus, I then went with

The justice & same then executed; I also in close the deposition of John Carman, together with the its family record — I have intended to act with the most sacred regard to right, as well to the Govern- ment as to the widow, I can say I have fully discharged the dictates of my conscience to both, I submit the case as it is, to Hon Col Edwards I ask no more than justice,
I am truly Your Old friend & Old Servt Abad Joy

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Ovid Seneca C o N. York Nov 5. 1842
Hon J L Edwards
Dr Sir
About the 20 th Oct, there was mailed in the city of New York, directed to you, an affidavit of Mrs Harris in proof of Mrs Giletta Carmann, late husband Service, you might not have known from whom it came, I write to advise you & to ask a reply to it & what further will be necessary for her to prove -
Your Most Ob o Serv t Brad Joy

10. Nov 1842
Le Court p.
Gahala barman
for
J. L. Edwards
Com. of Pensions
Washington
D.C.
PRICE

Quincy Ovid Junea Co N.Y. Nov 5. 1842
Hon J L Edwards
Dear Sir
I respectfully ask, that I may be allowed to explain one word as to the name of one of the witnesses for Mrs Galletta Garman, and that is Godfrey Reeles - not as you have it Goodfry Reeles.
I saw & conversed with Godfry Reeles, I was thinking he said he was a pensioner, and it may be that when you read the name Godfry, it may appear that he is a pensioner - I am Most Respectfully Your Ob d Serv t . Brad Loy

Mar: 28/57
Adopted as a = gency in case of Isabella Calman
NY at
RECEIVED
Rev. Jas. E. Heath
Confd. Prison Washington DC

Quincy
Ovid N.Y. March 24. 1851
Sir I inclose my agency in the case of Gabetta Carman, late a prisoner of New York
We believe her husband John Carman performed much more military service than she is allowed for, see her declaration
We suppose her husband served as a ship carpenter, as artificer for some years, that either as a soldier, officer, artificer and various employments he served almost the whole time during the revolution, she only recd. a pension of 26.66
Most Respectfully Your obed Servt Abad Joy
Hon Jas. E. Heath Comd. of Pwd. Washington D.C.

Oct 27 42.
NY
L. barman
Hon
J. L. Edwards
Com. of Pensions
Washington
D. C.
Ans

State of New York }
County of Ontario ss.
Personally appeared before the Subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for the county and state aforesaid Godfrey Reeles of Seneca in the county & State aforesaid & on being first duly sworn according to law deponeth & saith that he is aged Eightyone years, that he was a Soldier in the war of the revolution and is a pensioner of the United States, that in the year 1777 at Fort Stanwix in the County of Oneida & State of New York, he became acquainted with John Carman, the late husband of Galletta Carman of Tompkins County State of New York, who is applying for a pension as the widow of the aforesaid John Carman, that this deponent was in the Service with the said John Carman in a regiment commanded by Col Van Schoick and that the said John Carman above named was a Soldier in that Service & that he remained in the Service as a Soldier in the war of the revolution from the Spring of 1777 through that Season, through the Summer and fall Six months or more, of which Service this deponent was a personal witness, & that the said John the said John Carman, the late husband of Galletta Car- -man was the identical Soldier & person who did such Service & who served under that name & that the said Galletta Carman who is applying for a pension as the widow of the aforesaid John Carman deceased is the identical widow, of the aforesaid John Carman Subscribed & sworn before me
this Nineteenth day of October 1842
Godfrey his Reeles mark
R. H. Bogarth
a Justice of the peace of Ontario County
The reason why the above deponent did not write his name is that he never could write, as he has stated on oath.
R. H. Bogarth J.P.

I certify that Godfrey Rees who executed the within affidavit is a respectable person & that full faith and credit is due & should be given to his deposition - as I am credibly informed & verily believe Since Oct-29 th 1842
R. Hogarth S.P.
State of New York
Ontario County ss. I hereby certify that Richard Hogarth Esquire before whom the within deposition was taken and whose name is subscribed to the foregoing Certificate was at the time the same purports to have been taken and subscribed a Justice of the Peace in and for said County duly elected and qualified and authorized to act as such And further that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of such Justice and verily believe his signatures within and above written to be genuine In Testimony Whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed the seal of said County at Canandaigua this 21. Oct 1842.
Thomas Hall Clerk By George N. Steele Dep. Clerk

was the
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Ovid Seneca Co. N. Y. Oct 24. 1842
Hon J. L. Edwards - In Sir herewith you have positive proof of 6 months or more, services of John Carman, which with the proof of Mrs Phillips & Mrs Harris who were both on the spot & knowing to his services as stated by them, will no doubt make the thing clear & conclusive
Respectfully Your Ob st Servt Brad Joy

State of New York } ss City and County of New York. }
Be it known that before me the Subscribed a Justice of the peace in
for the said County, personally appeared Catherine Harris, who being first duly sworn according to law, deponeth & states as follows, that she is sister to Galletta Garman & that she is eighty-four years of age, & that her sister Galletta was married to John Garman in the summer of 1776 or 1777 in the county of Dutchess & State of New York, that Galletta Garman the present widow of John Garman is the identical person who was married to the identical John Garman who was a soldier of the Revolution at the time above named, & who is now applying for a pension as such widow, that the said Galletta Garman is an older sister than the deponent; that John Garman the identical person who married to this deponent's sister as above named, served in the War of the Revolution, viz that John Garman served under Col d Dubois & Col d Platt one year & three months from April 1777 to July 1778, he served as Quartermaster & acted as commissary during this term & that being a ship carpenter he was transferred by Gen l Washington to building & repairing vessels, where he served till Sept r 1779, when he entered the service under Col d Stephen H. Platt, & served three months, that he enlisted again & served under Capt a Arthur Smith & Col d Johnson Ulster Co d . New York served one month, this was in May 1780— July 1780 he enlisted & served under Col d Lewis Dubois One Month, he also continued that service under Col d Dubois to Middle of Aug t 1780, making two months, in Aug t or Sept r 1780 he enlisted under Capt a John M c Knight or Wight & Col d Lewis Dubois, served four months as a soldier, that the said John Garman was a soldier & engaged in service in the war of the Revolution along the North River in the Counties of Dutchess, Ulster, Westchester, Orange, Rockland, & Sullivan, during the whole time of the Revolution after his marriage, & was much from home during that time, that he must have served in the war of the Revolution four or five years, that the present applicant Galletta Garman is the identical person, the wife or widow of this identical soldier John Garman who served in the war of the Revolution as here set forth.
Subscribed & sworn before me This fourteenth day of July 1842 }
Catherine Harris by N. C. Baret
Nicholas C. Baret Justice of the Peace

I certify that Catharine Harris who directed her name to be affixed to the within deposition, cannot  could with her name being blotted it on account of old age & a tremulous hand, that she is a respectable person & fully to be believed in the within deposition sworn to by her, & that I consider her of the age set forth by her.
J. C. Bogert Trustee of the Estate
Hon J. L. Edwards
Ovid Seneca Co. N. Y. Oct. 14. 1842
Dr Sir herewith you have further proof in the case of Widow Galletta Corman, which with the other proof I hope will prove satisfactory to sustain & establish her claim to a pension Truly Your Most Ob. Servt. Isaac Loy

April the 3 18 43
Sirs will you be so kind as to tell us the particulars about gality Carmans pension she is very old and feels quite anxious to hear about it she requested me to write a few lines to the pension office Mr arad joy said that he had received a letter from washington but did not write to me what was in it I wrote four letters to me lately but they do not amount to any thing I should like to know what is lacking he has been trying to get it this 3 years almost if you will be so kind as to write to me about it you need not mention it to him it seems so strange that it does not come to a close direct your letter to Ontario County Phelps town Carman corner
Cornelius Carman
Please answer this as soon as you receive this letter yours With respect
C Carman

DORMAN S. PURDY
General Insurance
139 EAST STATE STREET ITHACA, NEW YORK
January 11, 1934
United States Veterans Administration Washington, D. C.
Gentlemen:
I am a descendant of Lewis Schuyler, said to have been a Revolutionary soldier, who died October 1, 1837 at Jerseytown, Pa., being survived by his wife, Keziah, who died January 24, 1847 "aged 84 years, 8 months and 18 days". He is said to have come originally from New Jersey, but I am unable to find any Revolutionary record of a Lewis Schuyler from either New Jersey, Pennsylvania or New York. I have learned that many Revolutionary soldiers from New Jersey served in Virginia, many of them being allotted lands for this service in the State of Ohio. It would be quite likely that if Lewis Schuyler served in the Revolution, his wife, who lived until 1847, would have filed a pension claim. I would be grateful if you would advise me whether you have any record on Lewis Schuyler.
Very truly yours,
A handwritten signature in cursive, appearing to read "D S Purdy", written in dark ink.
DSP/EFM

TELEPHONE 9543
"Insurance Service"
OFFICE HOURS 9 TO 5
DORMAN S. PURDY
General Insurance
139 EAST STATE STREET ITHACA, NEW YORK January 11, 1934
United States Veterans Administration Washington, D. C.
Gentlemen:
I am a descendant of Elisha Purdy, who served in the Dutchess County, New York Militia. His wife, Mehetable, died about 1830 and I presume that no pension application was filed by her or by Elisha, who died in 1812 or thereabouts; I do not have the record at hand although I have it. I would appreciate it if you would advise me whether you have any record on Elisha Purdy.
Very truly yours,
A handwritten signature in dark ink, appearing to read "D S Purdy". The signature is written in a cursive style with a large, stylized initial "D".
DSP/EFM

Medford, Oregon October 12, 1933.
Veterans' Administration Bureau Washington, D. C.
Dear Sirs -
I should like to know if a pension was ever given to John 3 3/4 Carman (John C. Carman in some of my records) who served in the Revolution from New York - I think probably from Ulster or Dutchess Co., as all his family lived in that locality. He was awarded a tract of land, known as the Crowbar Pt. property about five miles north of Ithaca, N. Y., for his Revolutionary service. Possibly this was in lieu of a pension. If so, where could I find any record of it? I do not know whether his wife survived him, and if so, if she received a pension. Her name was Gillette Swartwout before her marriage and she is buried in an old orchard on the above mentioned Crowbar Pt. property. These are all the facts I have to distinguish him from the many other John Carmans I find in "New York in the Revolution". If the Veterans' Bureau can throw any light on the subject, I shall be grateful.
Yours truly (Mrs. Wm W. P.) Isabel J. Holt 11 Corning Court, Medford, Oregon.

DORMAN S. PURDY
General Insurance
139 EAST STATE STREET ITHACA, NEW YORK
January 11, 1934
United States Veterans Administration Washington, D. C.
Re: John C. Carman W16885
Gentlemen:
Reference is made to your letter of November 15th, 1933, addressed to Mrs. W. P. Holt of Medford, Oregon, pertaining to the Revolutionary record of this soldier.
Apparently you have in your files rather complete data on his service and his family. Reference is made in your letter to a "family record" and I would be very grateful if you would advise me whether you have on file a family Bible furnished in connection with this pension claim or any other family records which may be examined at Washington or from which photostatic copies may be taken. You apparently have very complete data as to the Revolutionary War service of this soldier and I would appreciate it if you would advise me from what record this is taken, or whether it is all contained in discharge papers. Reference is also made to a daughter Mary, born October 27, 1780, who was a great grandmother of myself and Mrs. Holt and I would appreciate your advising me whether she is referred to in any of your records as Mary Purdy; she died in 1833.
I would be grateful indeed for a complete reply referring me to printed records which may be consulted and advising whether photostatic copies of the records that you have on file may be obtained.
Very truly yours,
A handwritten signature in cursive, appearing to read "D S Purdy".
DSP/EFM

PHONE 9543
"Insurance Service"
OFFICE HOURS 9 TO 5
Rev. + 1812 Files
add
DORMAN S. PURDY
General Insurance
139 EAST STATE STREET ITHACA, NEW YORK
May 26, 1934
Veterans Administration, Washington, D. C.
W 16885 - John Carman
1676
Gentlemen:
in above case
In accordance with your letter of May 23, I enclose Money Order drawn to the order of the Treasurer of the United States in return for which you are to send me photostatic copies of the papers on file in Revolutionary War Pension Claim No. W16885 upon service of John C. Carman.
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Very truly yours,
DSP/EFM Enc
11-8-34
13 50

DORMAN S. PURDY
General Insurance
139 EAST STATE STREET ITHACA, NEW YORK
March 3, 1934.
Veterans Administration Washington, D. C.
Re: John Carman-W. 16885
Gentlemen:
This will acknowledge receipt of your letter of February 23. I would be very grateful if you would quote me on the cost of photostatic copies of the records on file with you relative to this soldier. I presume that it might be excessively expensive to make photostatic copies of anything other than the pension application. I would however appreciate it very much if you would advise me the source of your information as to the various Revolutionary companies in which he served and in particular your information that he was a large studious man, was present at the execution of Major Andre and selected to read the Declaration of Independence before his company. I assume that these items of information would not be included in the pension application.
You state in your letter of February 23 that there are no claims for pension on file based upon service in the Revolutionary War of Elisha Purdy or Lewis Schuyler. Elisha Purdy is known to have served in the Ulster County militia and the Dutchess County militia but apparently no pension claims were filed by reason of his service. As to the Revolutionary service of Lewis Schuyler, this is but traditional and not based on known facts. However I would be very grateful if you would advise me if there are other branches of the War Department through which I might verify the Revolutionary service of these parties.
Thanking you for the courtesy already shown,
Very truly yours,
DSP/LKH
A handwritten signature in cursive, appearing to read "D. Purdy". The signature is written in dark ink and is positioned to the right of the closing.

June 16, 1934.
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Mr. Dorman S. Purdy 139 East State Street Ithaca, New York
BA-J/MMHF/ady John Carman W.16885
Dear Sir:
You are furnished herewith photostatic copies of fifty-four pages from Revolutionary War pension claim, W.16885, based upon service of John Carman.
Very truly yours,
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator.

BA-J/ady
Rev. & 1812 No. 233
It is requested to return record -
June 7, 1934.
Rev.&1812 Wars Section.
Navy - 970 -
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Rev. War claim for pension of John Carman, File No. W. 16 W. 16885.
Actual 1 of each page.
NOT TO BE CERTIFIED.
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$13.50.....54 pages
Kindly leave margin of 1 1/2 in. at top of each page and return papers in folder with corresponding name and number. The word "omit" written in pencil on those pages which are not to be copied.
Chief, Rev.&1812 Wars Section
54 25 270 108 135-0
Actual 1 of each page. I have 54 pages. The word "omit" written in pencil on those pages which are not to be copied. Kindly leave margin of 1 1/2 in. at top of each page and return papers in folder with corresponding name and number. Rev. War claim for pension of John Carman, File No. 6 W. 16885. NOT TO BE CERTIFIED. $13.50.....54 pages

May 23, 1934.
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Mr. Dorman S. Purdy 139 East State Street Ithaca, New York
BA--J/MMHF/ady John Carman W.16885
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request photostatic copies of papers on file in Revolutionary War pension claim, W.16885, based upon service of John Carman.
Photostatic copies are furnished at the rate of twenty-five cents a page, from Revolutionary War pension claims.
The number of pages to be copied in the above noted claim is fifty-four.
Please make remittance, $13.50, by money order drawn to the order of the Treasurer of the United States.
Very truly yours,
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator.

February 23, 1934
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Mr. D. S. Purdy 139 East State Street Ithaca, New York
JOHN GARMAN W. 16885 BA-J/MSF:MLB
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letters in which you request the Revolutionary War records of Elisha Purdy and Lewis Schuyler, also, further information in regard to John Garman, W. 16885, whose record was furnished Mrs. William W. P. Holt, of Medford, Oregon.
There are no claims for pension on file based upon service in the Revolutionary War of an Elisha Purdy or a Lewis Schuyler.
In regard to the record of John Garman, the data furnished Mrs. Holt were obtained from the papers on file in the above-noted pension claim, not from a printed volume, nor from soldier's discharge; his discharge is not on file in this office, nor is his family Bible. There is a page in this pension claim which contains names of the family.
Because of the fact that the papers are very old and frail, you will doubtless appreciate how the operation of having photostatic copies made would necessarily be injurious to them. Official reports from this office have been accepted by various historical and patriotic societies as authentic.
The papers in pension claim based upon service of the above-named soldier in the Revolutionary War have been examined most carefully and the data found therein is given herewith. If this record does not fill your needs, however, quotation will be made on cost of photostatic copies. It might be stated further, that any time you are in this city, you may examine the papers in this pension claim.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator

November 15, 1933
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Mrs. William W. P. Holt 11 Corning Court Medford, Oregon
JOHN CARMAN W. 16885 BA-J/MLB
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War record of John Carman (John C. Carman), who served in the Revolutionary War from Ulster or Dutchess County, New York.
You are furnished below the history of John Carman (also referred to as John C. Carman), as found in the papers on file in pension claim, W. 16885, based upon his service in the Revolutionary War.
The date and place of soldier's birth and names of his parents are not shown in the claim.
While residing in Dutchess County, New York, about six miles from Poughkeepsie, he enlisted in April, 1776, and served at various times until the close of the war, possibly as much as four years in all, as private, commissary in the Quartermaster Department and ship carpenter; his service was in the New York troops under Captains John Drake, Thomas Lee, Arthur Smith, John M. Foght, Lieutenant John McBride, Colonels Van Schaick, Samuel Drake, Lewis Du Bois, Zephaniah Platt and Johannes Johnson; he was in the battle of White Plains and others not named, and was present at the execution of Major Andre; it was stated that he also served as an officer. There is on file an official New York State Report, on which the name of John Carman is borne as ensign, but no proof was established that he was the same John Carman who rendered the service shown.

It was stated that John or John C. Carman was a large man and a good reader, that he was in service in the Revolutionary War at the time the Declaration of Independence was received by the regiment and that he was selected to read it before the regiment.
He died June 5, 1823, at the age of seventy-two years, in Dutchess County, New York, at the home of his son, Cornelius.
Soldier married June 1, 1777, at Stony Creek, Dutchess County, New York, Gajetta Swarthout.
Soldier's widow, Gajetta, was allowed pension on her application executed February 6, 1841, at which time she was aged eighty-four years and a resident of Ulysses, Tompkins County, New York.
The following children of John or John C. Carman and his wife, Gajetta, were referred to in the claim:
(See List) Elizabeth and John Carman (twins) born January 22, 1778; John died August 24, 1782, and Elizabeth, who in 1843 was living in New York City, but was formerly of Lone Point, Dutchess County, New York, then signed as Betsy Thompson but did not state the name of her husband; Cornelius Carman born July 21, 1779, in 1842 referred to his own daughter and her family, his brother and to a sister of his mother, but gave no names; in January, 1843, he gave as his address, Fishkill Post Office, Dutchess County, New York, while on April 3, same year he gave as his address, Oaks Corners, Phelps Town, Ontario County, New York; Mary Carman born October 27, 1780; James born April 4, 1782, and died March 29, 1823; John born August 13, 1787, and in 1843, a resident of Ulysses, New York; Hanah born May 23, 1789, and died August 4, 1798. It is not stated whether Mary Carman, soldier's daughter, was ever married, nor is the surname Purdy shown in this period.
shown The family record of the soldier also shows the following data, are also with no explanation of their relationship to the family:
Hannah Carman deceased September 30, 1766 Anna " " October 13, 1799 John H. " " May 31, 1809.
In 1842, Mary Phillips, born 1763, a sister of soldier's wife, Gajetta, made affidavit in Ulster County, New York, in support of the widow's claim for pension; in the same year Catharine Harris born in 1758, another sister of soldier's wife, was living with

her son-in-law, Henry Andrews, in New York City (the name of her daughter who married Henry Andrews not stated).
Out { The land which you state was granted to the soldier for his service in the Revolutionary War does not pertain to the records of this office; the land may have been granted by the state from which the soldier served.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Assistant to Administrator