Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 8164, Isaac Carmer, New Jersey

SERVICE
NUMBER
New Jersey
Garmer, Isaac Garman or
88164
CONTENTS
carded

Date of death not on a p
New York 1 Sept 3 u y
★ Isaac Carman
of Tompkins in the State of N.Y. who was a private in the Comp y - commanded by Captain Westbrooks of the Reg t - commanded by Col  in the  N.J. time for 12 Months
★ Isaac Carmer. Records corrected Dec r 28, 1904.
Inscribed on the Roll of  at the rate of 40 - Dollars  Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 20 th day of May. 1833 - and sent to Parley Whitmore - Dryden - Tompkins Co. N.Y.
Arrears to the 4th of March 1833. $80.00 Semi-ann. allowance ending 4 th Sept 1833 - 20.00 $100.00
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by George Taylor Clerk Book 6 Vol. 41 Page 50

Declaration
In order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7 th 1832 State of New York ss Pompeius County ss On this third day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two; personally ap- peared in Open Court, before the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County of Pompeius aforesaid Now Sitting, Isaac Carmer a resident of the Town of Dryden in the County of Pompeius and State of New York; aged Twenty two years, who first being duly sworn according to law, doth on his Oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress, passed June 7 th 1832; That he entered the service of the United States under the follow- ing named Officers, and served as herein stated.
In the year 1776 the first of March at the Sandy Town in the County of Sussex and State of New Jersey, he was drafted for the term of one Month, and marched to New York, and served under Lieut. Aaron Westbrook; at the expiration of the month, he was dismissed and returned to Sandy Town - in the fall of the same year (1776) he was drafted for the term of one month at the Town of Sandy aforesaid and Marched to South Amboy in the State of New Jersey and served there one Month, and then he was dismissed, and returned to Sandy Town - the next year following 1777 in the fall (day not recollect- the month) he was drafted for the term of one month, at Sandy Town aforesaid, Marched from thence to Newburgh in the State of New York, thence to Kings bridge - thence to Morris Town in the State of New Jersey, from thence to a place called Mill Stone - thence - thence to Princeton from thence to Burlington, then to a place called Woodbury, below Philadelphia at which time and fort was given up to the British, which term he served under the Command of Lieut. Daniel Depeuw, in the Regiment Commanded by Major Samuel Westbrook. The term having been expired he was dismissed, and returned home to Sandy Town aforesaid - in the fall of the year 1778 he was drafted for the term of one Month at Sandy Town aforesaid and served under Capt. Peter Westbrook; Marched from thence through Easton to Trenton, thence crossed the Delaware river into the State of Pennsylvania to the Town of Boston thence he was taken out on a scouting party under the command of Capt. Stull, and Marched near Philadelphia Served out the term of the one month and then dismissed and returned home

In the Spring of the year 1779 at Sandis Tawn aforesaid he was drafted for the term of one Month, Marched to a place called Minisink, in the State of New York and Served there one one month and was dismissed and returned home to Sandis Tawn aforesaid (forgotten the officer that he Served under) Same year in the fall he was drafted for the term of one month and Marched to Minisink, and Served under Captm Isaac Rosa one month - there the term of one month, then was dismissed and returned to Sandis Tawn - The year following in the Spring of 1780 was drafted for the term of one month at the Tawn of Sandis aforesaid; and Marched to Minisink and Served there one month that he has forgotten the officer he Served under) - in the month June was drafted again for one month and Marched to Minisink and Served one month - then he was discharged and returned to Sandis Tawn aforesaid immediately after he moved to a place called Wall pack, in Sussex County in the State of New Jersey; in the first of January 1781 - he was drafted for the term of three Months under the command of Capt Beman Marched Marched to a garrison at Springfield near Morristown in the State of New Jersey, Served there three Months excepting eleven days on a Scout out of that time; at this time he had a Skirmish with the enemy near Springfield; the regular lay two and a half miles below Springfield - Served the three months out and then was dismissed and returned home to Wall pack aforesaid, In the same year in the fall following went out in a Scouting party under the command of Captm Westbrooke Marched to a place called Lackawanna Served four days - in the year 1782 he was called out on a Scout three days - That he was born as he believes in Sandis Tawn, in the County Sussex and State of New Jersey - in the year 1760; and moved from there to the Tawn of Wall pack in the County of Sussex in the State of New Jersey, from there he moved to the town of Dryden in the County of Tompkins in the State of New York where he now resides - said has resided in said Tawn of Dryden the term of twenty nine years - That he has no record of his age - That he has no documentary evidence and he knows of no person whose testimony he can procure, who can testify to his services - that he did receive no discharge during his service -

That he is known in his present neighborhood by Sturtevant Carr — John Ellis , Parley Whitney who can testify as to his character for veracity and their belief of his serving as a Soldier of the Revolution. —
That he was drafted each of the aforesaid terms thereby when called in the Service as a Soldier —
That he resided in Sandys Town when he was called into the Service aforesaid, when he left the Service he then resided in the Town of Wallpack in the County of Sussex and State New Jersey
That he now resides in Dryden in the County of Tompkins and State of New York
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state — Isaac Carr
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid Isaac Carr

No 19933 Isaac Palmer New York.
Parley Whitmore Pryden Tompkins County New York

WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
183
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: { ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of Isaac Carmer Tompkins County N.Y.
   Period when the service was rendered. Duration of the claimant's service. Rank of the claimant. Names and Rank of the Company officers under whom he served. Names and Rank of the General and Field officers. Battles in which the applicant was engaged. Country through which he marched. Place of abode when he entered the service, and age at the present period. Evidence by which the declaration is supported.   Years. Months. Days.     1776 March 1 None N.Y. Age 72. Traditionary   Drafted 1 Priv. Lieut Westbrook None N.Y.   1776 fall 1 " " Deputy Westbrook Major N.Y.   Drafted 1 " " N.Y.   1777. " 1 " " N.Y.   1778 fall 1 " Capt Westbrook N.Y.   1779 Spring 1 " " Stull N.Y.   1780 Spring 1 " " Roscerane N.Y.   1780 June 1 N.Y.   Jun 1780 3 except Scout Pracumk Skirmish N.Y.   fall of 1782 4 days Westbrook    Called out as a Scout for 3 days I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J. L. EDWARDS, Commissioner of Pensions.

REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
 1. The Regular Troops.  2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.  3. Persons employed in the Naval service.  4. Indian Spies. 
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons, claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of } ss. County of }
On this day of personally appeared (a) before A. B. a resident (b) of in the county of and State, Territory or District of aged (c) years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d) , with and served in the (e) regiment of the line, under the following named officers:
[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. [This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I of the Court of do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this day of &c.
If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with , who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B.
who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, Clerk of the Court of do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this day of &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person

will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
 1. Where and in what year were you born?  2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?  3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?  4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?  5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.  6. { To a Soldier. { Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it? { To an Officer. { Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?  7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution. 
The Court will see that he answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons -one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditional evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:—For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____. For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months , is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
[k] The notes from [a] to [j] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[l] This traditional evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[m] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[n] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
Dyer Castor Exam Clerk

In reply to your request of _____, received _____ for a statement of the military history of Isaac Coarner a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau. S. 7,8164 pen. as Isaac Coarner
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     March 1776 1 mo. Private Lt. Aaron Westbrook N.J.   Fall 1776 1 mo. —   Fall 1777 1 mo. Lt. Daniel Depue Major Samuel Westbrook   Fall 1778 1 mo. Peter Westbrook   Spring 1779 1 mo. —   Fall 1779 1 mo. Jacob Rosekrantz   Spring and June 1780 2 mos. —   Fall 1781 3 mos. Brodnick Westbrook   1782 3 do.  
Battles engaged in, not stated
Residence of soldier at enlistment, Sandystown, Sussex Co., N.J.
Date of application for pension, Oct. 3, 1832. His claim was allowed
Residence at date of application, Dryden, Tompkins Co., N.Y.
Age at date of application, in 1760 at Sandystown, N.J.
Remarks: No data as to family

1908, July 27. Hist. to Jennie Carmer. A.S.P.
Revman
8164 INVALID.
File No. 8164
Isaac Carmer ★
Briv. Rev. War
Act: June 7 th 1852
Index:—Vol. 101 , Page 38
[Arrangement of 1870.]
Isaac Carmer ★ Records corrected. Dec. 28/04.

1940 Oct. 9 - Summary to Mrs. Burton Elwyn Dean W.P.

Isaac Carmel Pension  hake
19933

State of New York
Sampson County
We John Ellis residing in the Town
of Dryden in the County of Sampson and State of New York and Parley Whitmore residing in the same Place hereby certify that we are well acquainted with James Cannon the above named applicant who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be twenty two years of age that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have to have been a Soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in that opinion
Sworn and subscribed the day and year first above written
John Ellis
J. Lee Clerk
Parley Whitmore
And the said Court, do hereby declare their opinion after investigation of the matter, and after hearing the interrogatories prescribed by the war department that the above applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier and served as he states - And the said Court further certifies that it appears to them that John Ellis and Parley Whitmore are residents of the Town of Dryden in the County of Sampson and State of North Carolina - who have and are credible persons and that their statement is entitled to credit
Samuel Lane Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the County aforesaid do hereby certify that the foregoing containing the original

Proceeding in the matter of the application of Isaac Cassner for a pension —
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and Seal of Office this third day of October 1832
Saml. L. South

Dryden, N. Y., July 19, 1908.
Commissioner of Pensions, Washington, D. C.
Dear Sir:
I am desirous of obtaining information in regard to one Isaac Carmen, or Carner, who served as a private in the Revolutionary war and enlisted from New Jersey. His real

name was Carmer, but I am told by my father, his grandson, that the records have the name wrong, but he doesn't remember just the mistake, that was made.
Kindly let me know what records you find, and if there are any charges I will be glad to forward the amount at once.
Yours truly,
Jennie Carmer.