Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 16,893, John Carman, New York

SERVICE
New York.
Garman, John Elizabeth
NUMBER
W. 16.893
CONTENTS

New York. No 4311.
Elizabeth Carman, deceased, widow of John Carman
who died on the 15 July, 1823, - of Cayuga (in the State of N. Yk.) who was a private in the company commanded by Captain Patten - of the _____ commanded by _____ N.Y. _____ in the New York line for 9 Months.
Inscribed on the Roll of Albany - at the rate of 30 - Dollars _____ Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831. Ending 15 August, 1840 the day of her death. -
Certificate of Pension issued the 9 th day of December, 1845 and sent to Wm. J. Bot- tom, Red Creek, N. York
Arrears to the 4th of _____ Semi-annual allowance ending _____
$283.46
{ Revolutionary Claim, Act July 4, 1836, Section the 3 d }
Recorded by W. Stewart Clerk, Book 6 Vol. 1 - Page 109 .
Rept to agt: 10 th
Dec: 1845.
let to W. J. Bottom,
April 14, 1846

Declaration
In order to obtain the benefit of the third Section of the act of Congress of the 4th of July 1836.
State of New York
County of Cayuga } ss On this 16 th day of September 1845 personally appeared before the Court of Jefferson Co. N.Y. being a Justice of the Court held at Auburn in and for the said County in open court - Abram Carman of Greenby Oswego County N.Y. aged Sixty Eight years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress passed July 4th 1836. That this applicant is a son of the late widow of John Carman ne: Elizabeth Carman late of Canadoe Tioga County N.Y. whose husband was a Revolutionary Soldier of the United States: That his father the aforesaid John Carman resided during the Revolution at Schenectady Hill N.Y. That he enlisted for nine months in 1778 or 1779 under Capt. Pettibone and was discharged with discharge upon his return but which cannot now be found That his said father the aforesaid John Carman died on the 15th day of July 1823 Eighteen hundred twenty three having the above named Elizabeth Carman him surviving as his widow to whom he was married on the 7th day of December 1768 Seventeen hundred & sixty Eight as per attached record of marriage That after the death of the aforesaid John Carman late a soldier in the war of the revolution his aforesaid widow Elizabeth Carman remained his widow (never having married after the said husband's death) till her death which took place on the 15th of August 1840 Eighteen hundred & forty That the aforesaid applicant Abram Carman as one of the children of the late widow Elizabeth Carman and in behalf of all the surviving children of the aforesaid Elizabeth Carman makes this declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress

Spaford July 14 th 1836 eighteen hundred thirty six and to obtain the pension due to his aforesaid Mother widow Elizabeth Carrman at her demise on the 15 th day of Aug- ust 1840 as above stated for the natural benefit to in behalf of all her surviving children. Subscribed to sworn before the Court in open court at the day and date last above written Abraham Carrman Philip Van Auclade Clerk
The court certify that the above named Abraham Carrman is a respectable person that evidence appeared before the Court to the satisfaction of the court - That John Carrman above named died on the 15 th day of July 1828 having a widow to wit the above named Elizabeth Carrman his surviving who also died on the 15 th day of August 1840 leaving at her demise the following named children being her only children her surviving to wit: William Carrman of Cincinatti Ohio. Leanna wife of James Scott of Allen County Indiana. Abraham Carrman of Greenby Oswego County N.Y. Elizabeth Reynolds wife of Coonrod Reynolds of Onondaga County N.Y. James & Andrew Carrman of Tioga County N.Y. That the aforesaid named children are the only children of the aforesaid widow Elizabeth Carrman the late widow of John Carrman her surviving and that each of them is of the age of twenty one years upwards. The proof which was satisfactory to the Court is herewith viz: the deposition of Cornelia Carr- man - Catherine Vader both respectable persons as so set forth to the attested family record
In Testimony Whereof I have hereunto affixed the Seal of the said Court & subscribed my name this 16 th day of September A.D. 1840
Philip Van Auclade Clerk
The Words "of Common Pleas" being a Court of Record. Interline in the fifth line of preceding page before expiration
Philip Van Auclade Clerk

State of New York
County of Oswego ss. Personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for the said County Catharine Vador of Granby in said County aged Sixty-Six years after being duly sworn according to law deposeth & saith that she was personally acquainted with John Carrman late a soldier in the war of the Revolution (of Canandaigua County N.Y.) and who died on the 15th day of July 1828 Eighteen hundred & twenty three having as his widow Elizabeth Carrman who died on the 18th day of August 1840 Eighteen hundred & forty. That this deponent was personally acquainted with the fact of the death of the said parties & of their burial that from the acquaintance with the parties & their children for the space of sixty five years she deposeth & saith that she has entire confidence in the truth of the attached old family record as stating the true date of the marriage of the said parties & the true date of the ages of their children that the said widow Elizabeth Carrman at her death aforesaid left the following named children her surviving & that each of them is of the age of twenty one years and upwards. William Carrman of Cumberland Ohio Benjamin wife of James Scott of Allen County Indiana Abraham Carrman of Granby Oswego Co N.Y. Elizabeth wife of Conrad Reynolds of Onondaga Co N.Y. James & Frederick Carrman of Canandaigua County N.Y. Sworn and subscribed before me this 17 day of September 1845
Almon Fuller Justice of the Peace Catharine Vador Mark
I certify that the above named Catharine Vador is a respectable person Almon Fuller
Almon is no genuine signature In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed Seal of said County this 26th day of September 1845 John Converse clerk

State of New York
County of Oswego ss personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for said County Cornelia Carman of Granby in said County aged Fifty nine years years after being duly sworn according to law deposeth and saith that she was personally acquainted with John Carman late a soldier in the war of the Revolution of Lancaster Diogen County N.Y. and who died on the 15 th day of July Eighteen hundred and twenty three leaving as his widow Elizabeth Carman who died on the 15 th day of August 1840 Eighteen hundred and forty that this deponent was personally acquainted with the fact of the death of both of the said parties & of their burial that from the acquaintance with the parties & their children for the space of thirty years she deposeth & saith that she has entire confidence in the truth of the attached old family record as stating the time date of the marriage of the said parties & the time date of ages of their children that the said widow Elizabeth Carman at her death aforesaid left the following named children then surviving & that each of them is of the age of twenty one years & upwards William Carman of Cleveland Ohio Lemira wife of James Scott of Allen County Indiana Abraham Carman of Granby Oswego County Elizabeth Reynolds wife of Conrad Reynolds of Onondaga County N.Y. Lewis and Andrew Carman of Diogen County N.Y.
Subscribed and sworn before me This 15 th day of September 1845 } Cornelia Carman Almarin Fuller justice
I certify that the above named Cornelia Carman is a respectable person & entitled to full credit.
State of New York Almarin Fuller County of Oswego ss I do Comptroller Clerk of the County Court of the County & State aforesaid do hereby certify that Almarin Fuller was an acting Justice of the peace in & for the said County at the time the above purports to have been taken duly qualified & commissioned and that his signature char

This is to certify that the foregoing copy is a true and correct copy of the original now on file in my office and entitled as above. In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and official seal of said County this 26th day of September 1845 John Carpenter Clerk
John Carpenter Clerk
I envy that the soon return of my brother James Alma Mater
I entreat that the above named Deacon is a
17 May 1841 London
Merle
Dearest Uncle
Yours

John Carman 7 John Carman Died July the 15 1829
This Book in the year 1777 Tuesday the 19 of June year 1770 William Carman born
September the 18 th 1772
Mary Carman born on Friday Deceased January the 31 st 1781
November the 2 nd 1774
Elizabeth Carman born on Thursday when No. 3.
February the 17 th 1777
Abraham Carman born on Monday
January the 27 th 1780
James Mcmaster Carman born on Thursday
Jeremiah Carman born on Wednesday the 17 th of April Deceased December the 12 th 1813: year 1782
the 21 st the 1781

Elizabeth Carman born on 4 days when No. 3.
February the 17 th 1777
Abraham Carman born on Monday No. 4.
January the 27 th 1780
James Mcmaster Carman born on Thursday No. 5.
Jeremiah Carman born on Wednesday the 17 th of April Deceased December the 12 th 1813: No. 6. 1782
June the 26 th 1784
Jemima Carman born on Saturday No. 7.
February the 15 th 1789
Samuel Carman born on Thursday Deceased July the 16 th 1811 - No. 8.
July the 19 th 1789
Rachel Carman born on Wednesday Deceased April the 4 th - 1808 - No. 9.

March the 17 th 1807 Jeremiah Carman with Cunice Williams Married
October the 6 1792 Andrew Carman born No 10
Andrew Carman Married April 12 the 1830
September the 25 1775 No 11 Isaac H Carman born on farm
Isaac H Carman Died 1840
John Carman Born February the 14 old stile 1744
John Carman Married to Elizabeth Fuller December the 7 1768
John Carman Died July the 15 1823 Elizabeth Carman the wife of John Carman Died August the 15 1840

October the 6 th 1792 Andrew Carman born on Tuesday
September the 18 th 1793 Elizabeth Carman married
September the 25 th 1795 Isaac Hixman born on Friday
June the 11 th 1795 William Reynolds born on Wednesday
November the 23 rd 1795 John Reynolds born on Monday
March the 19 th 1798 Phoebe Reynolds born on Monday
June the 19 th 1800 Benjamin Reynolds born on Tuesday
May the 12 th 1801 John Le born on Friday
March the 28 th 1802 Judah Reynolds born on Sunday
July the 11 th Day 1809 James Reynolds born on Wednesday
September the 21 st Day 1807 Herman Reynolds born on Monday
Elizabeth Reynolds born on December  the 17 th A year 1809
Eliza Carman born September the 29 th 1811
Rachel Reynolds born March the 24 th 1812
Elizabeth  Elizabeth Reynolds born on Tuesday May the 3 rd 1814
Abby Reynolds born February the 1817

John Carmine Jenawich Carmine unco Williams born may the 19 th 1786 married march the 17 th 1804 to James Mich Carmine
Jonathan Scott Born on Friday September 7 th 1810
per per milia Scott Born on Tuesday the 22 nd August 1813
Anna J. Scott Born on Monday September 4 th 1815
John T. Regold Born October 24 th 1816
James Mich Carmine born on Oct 17 1762 married to Mary the 29 th of June the year 1790

Payment to be made at by Agent for paying Pen- sioners, in the Agency of
Recorded in the Pension Office, in Book Vol. Page by
Clerk.

4311
WAR DEPARTMENT.
REVOLUTIONARY CLAIM.
I certify that, in conformity with the 3d section of the law of the United States, of the 4th of July, 1836, Elizabeth Carman, deceased, who was the widow of John Carman, who was a private, was entitled to a pension at the rate of $30 per ann: commencing on the 4th March, 1831, and ending on the 15th August, 1840, the day of her death; which will be paid upon the production of the proper vouchers to William, Abraham, James and Andrew Carman, Lemina Scott & Elizabeth Reynolds only surviving children of Elizabeth Carman decd: -
is entitled to receive _____ dollars and _____ cents per annum, during the time she may remain unmarried, commencing on the _____ and payable semi-annually on the 4th of March and 4th of September.
To be paid at Albany, N. York
Given at the War Office of the United States, this 9th day of Decr: one thousand eight hundred and forty-five
Secretary of War.
Examined and Countersigned.
Commissioner of Pensions.

Rev WIDOW, &c.
File No. 16,893 Elizabeth Barman widow of John Barman Pris. Ben. War.
Act July 4 th 86
Index: Vol. 2 , Page 119
[Arrangement of 1870.]

6575. Elizabeth Carman N.J. Det & Mr. J. Patten Oct 20:45
Ans. Apr. 24, 1836.

STATE OF NEW YORK COUNTY OF TIOGA.
ss.
I, Moses Stevens, Clerk of the said County of TIOGA, certify that Jared Host Esq; of Lewis P. Mead Esq; whose name is subscribed to the certificate of the proof or acknowledgement of the annexed instrument, and thereon written, was, at the time of taking such proof or acknowledgement, each a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid, dwelling in the said County, commissioned and sworn, and duly authorized to take the same. And further that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of such Justice and verily believe the signature to the said certificate is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of the said County, the 31 st day of October 1845
J Ripley Dep. Clerk.

State of New York County of Tioga ss 88 Personally appeared before the Subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for the said County Anna Thalhammer of Owego in said County aged Eighty One years after being duly sworn according to law deposeth and saith that she was personally acquainted with John Carman late a soldier in the war of the Revolution (date of Candor in said County) and who died on the 15th day of July 18 23 Eighteen hundred & twenty three having as his widow Elizabeth Carman his surviving of Candor in said County who also died on the 15th day of August 1840 Eighteen hundred and forty that deponent was personally acquainted with the sickness death & burial of the said parties that this deponent has been personally acquainted with the said parties as husband & wife for the last Seventy five years and with their children according to their births that deponent has always from the first of her acquaintance lived in the same neighborhood with the above named parties at the time of their death & was present at the birth of several of their children Deponent deposeth and saith that the above John Carman was the identical person who enlisted in Capt Pettos Company in the Spring of 1778 Seventeen hundred & Seventy Eight that deponent was present at his house when he left home under said enlistment to remain here the fact from a fit of sickness with which deponent was attacked soon after his departure & of which she did not recover till the following winter but a short time before his return that he was absent not far from nine months & was discharged which discharge deponent has heard him read but does not remember its date or by whom it was given - but deponent has never heard it disputed & believes it is the common op- inion in the neighborhood that John Carman was a Revolutionary Soldier that the said Elizabeth Carman at her death aforesaid left the following named children her surviving which are her only surviving children & that each of them is of the age of twenty-one years & upwards viz James & Andrew of Candor of Candor Tioga County N.Y.

Abraham Carman of Greenby Oswego County N.Y. Elizabeth wife of Conrad Prugnolds of Onondaga County N.Y. William Carman of Cleveland Ohio Lemina wife of James Scott of Allen County Indiana.
Sworn and Subscribed before me on this 16 th day of October 1845 her Anna Thalhamer Thalhamer Mark
Lewis P. Weed Justice of the Peace
I certify that the above named Anna Thalhamer is a respectable person & entitled to full credit Lewis P. Weed
State of New York County of Diogo ss
I Moses Stevens Clerk of the Court in and for the said County and State do hereby certify that our both Justices of the Peace in and for the said County duly qualified and Commissioned and that the the Signatures are genuine
In testimony whereof I have hereunto Subscribed my name & affixed my Seal of Office this day of 1845

State of New York
County of Tioga S.S. personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in and for the said County Lemuel Barrus of Tioga in said County aged sixty four years after being duly sworn according to law deposeth and saith that he has from a child & a young man been personally acquainted with John Carman late a Soldier in the War of the Revolution (of Canajoharie in said County) and who died on the 15th of July 1823 Eighteen hundred & twenty three) and with his family. That at the death of the said John Carman as above stated he left as his widow Elizabeth Carman who died on the 15th day of August 1840 Eighteen hundred & forty. That this deponent was personally acquainted with the facts of the deaths of both the said parties & their burial that from the first acquaintance of this deponent with the before mentioned parties he has always understood & believed that the said John Carman served nine months or more in Capt. Pettens Company of the New York line in the war of the Revolution that deponent always understood that the said John Carman had his discharge. That the said Elizabeth Carman at her death left the following named children her surviving & that each of them is of the age of twenty one years or upwards viz: William Carman of Cleveland Ohio his wife of James Scott of Allen County Indiana. Elizabeth wife of Conrad Reynolds of Oneida County N.Y. Sarah age of Granty Oswego County N.Y. James and Andrew of Canajoharie Tioga County N.Y. Sworn and subscribed before me on this 13 day of October 1858 Lemuel Barrus Hared Foot Justice
I certify that the above named Lemuel Barrus is a respectable person & entitled to full credit as known to me Hared Foot
State of New York
County of Tioga S.S. Personally appeared before the subscriber a Justice of the peace in & for the said County Sally Barrus

of Diaga in Said County aged Sixty One years after being Duly sworn according to law deposith and saith that she has from a small child been personally acquainted with John Learman late a soldier in the war of the revolution (of Lancaster Said County) and his family. That the said John Learman died on the 15 th day of July 1823 Eighty hundred & twenty three having as his widow Elizabeth Learman who died on the 16 th day of August 1830 Eighty hundred & thirty That this deponent was personally acquainted with the facts of the death of the said parties & their burial That this de- ponent has always from a child well understood & believed That the said John Learman served for nine months in the war of the revolution in Capt Patterson's company of the New York line and was discharged which discharge upon examined but a short time prior to the death of the said John Learman That the said Elizabeth Learman at her death aforesaid left the following named children her surviving said that each of them is of the age of twenty one years upwards viz: William Learman of Cleveland Ohio Lemina wife of James Scott of Allen County Ind. Anna Elizabeth wife of Conrad Ryngles of Oneida County N.Y. Abraham Learman of Granby Asbury Coun- ty N.Y. James & Andrew of Lancaster Diaga County N.Y. Sworn and subscribed before me this 13 day of October 1835
Personally appeared Polly his BARNY Mark
Francis Forster Justice
I certify that the above named Polly Barny is a res- pectable person & entitled to full credit as known to me Francis Forster

State of New York County of Tioga 558 personally appeared before the Sub- scribed Justice of the Peace in and for the said County Mason Webster of Oswayo in said County aged Forty Seven years who being first duly sworn according to law deposits & saith that he has for more than fifty four years been personally acquainted with John Carman late a soldier in the war of the Revolution and who died on the 15 th day of July 1823 Eighty three years of age in Canadago said County & with his family that at the death of the aforesaid John Carman he left Elizabeth Carman then surviving as his widow who also died on the 15 th day of August 1840 Eighty three years of age that the facts of the death of the said parties to their burial was personally known to this deponent that that this de- ponent has always been staid & believed from the first of his acquaintance that the said John Carman served several months in the war of the Revolution in Capt- Pittons Company of the New York line & that he got his discharge that deponent never heard it disputed and that the said Elizabeth Carman at her death afo- resaid left the following named children her surviving viz: William Carman of Cleveland Ohio deceased wife of James Scott of Allen County Indiana Elizabeth wife of Conrad Reynolds of Fond du Lac County Wis. Abraham Carman of Granby Oswayo County N.Y. James & Andrew of Canadago Tioga County N.Y. Sworn and subscribed before on this 13 th day of October 1845-5 Mason Webster Davis P. Weed Justice of the Peace
I certify that the above named Mason Webster is personally known to the subscriber and that his statements are entitled to full credit Davis P. Weed

6575
Elizabeth Sarman Dec t N.Y.
Act 4 July 36
around 9 mo private
30 to 15 Aug
1840 the date of her death
To W m Abraham-Jones & Andrew Scott Sarman - Jemima Stott & Eliza beth Reynolds are surviving children
M m J. Bottom Esq r Red Creek Cayuga Co N.Y.

State of New York Secretary's Office
I certify that it appears by the Military Register in this Office that on the 5 th day of May 1778 John Carman enlisted as a Soldier in the Second New York Regiment Captain Peltons Company to Serve for Nine months and was discharged on the 17 th of February 1779.
Rich d Campbell
Dep. Sec. of State
Albany August 11. 1845
fees 25 Cents paid

Sir Red Bank Nov 6 th 1878
Enclosed you have additional Evidence in the case of Elizabeth Carmens Ancestor which it is hoped will supply the deficiency as it comes almost to a certainty I have made diligent search for positive proof of identity but have not been able to find a living witness of his service but in the Weymouth Hall where John Carmens lived and where he had lived from 1791 to the time of his death the opinion is prev- alent among the old neighbors that he was a Revolutionary Soldier.
Respectfully Yours M c J. Boston

Wm Abraham James Andrew
20
Hon J. L. Edwards
Red Bank N.J.
Washington
D.C.
Oct 7 1880's St. Thomas
11 Oct '45

Sir
Red Creek Oct 2 nd 1865
Enclosed you have an application for a pension arrearage by one of the children of the late widow of John Carman who it appears was a Revolutionary Soldier of the United States who died July 15 th 1823 leaving Elizabeth Carman his widow who died on the 15 th of August 1860 leaving the within named children who now make application for the pension and the mother at her death the applicant states to me that his father had a discharge and an order of one hundred Dollars given to him for wages due at the rate of twenty Dollars per month by the Col of the Regiment but which cannot now be found. He also states that his father was Capt or assisted in some way in driving the baggage wagons to e
Respectfully Yours Wm P Bottom
Hon J. G. Edwards Washington D.C.

Received Jan 31. 1846.
Rece Elizabeth C. Warner
Pay to the order of James 26
Hon J. L. Edwards Washington

Sir Red Creek Jan 25th 1816-
The Certificate of pension issued from your office to the heirs of Elizabeth Carmar- cheedee who was widow of John Carmar- cheedee who was a revolutionary soldier of the United States has been mislaid
The Comptrollers Certificate incl- udes the time of service from the 5th day of May 1778 to the 17th day of February 1779 which is something more than nine months Service to the Certificate is issued for Thirty Dollars per annum allowing but just nine months service
The Service set forth by the Compt- rollers Certificate is the Service claimed & with which it is believed John- Carmar- was identified
I am Truly your Most Obt. S. V. M c L. Bottom
Hon. J. S. Edwards Commission of Pensions Washington- D. C.