Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R 1689, Joseph Carll, Mass.

SERVICE
NUMBER
Mass.
ball, Joseph barle
R 1689
Margery
CONTENTS

N o 18330 Maine
Joseph Carle of Lincoln Co. in the State of Maine who was a Private in the company commanded by Captain Hill of the Regt., commanded by Col. Scammon on the Halifax Troops time for 8 months
Inscribed on the Roll of Maine at the rate of 26 Dollars 66 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 8. day of August 1833 and sent to N. Prince Thomaston Me.
Arrears to the 4th of March 1833 53.32 Semi-ann. allowance ending 1 st Sep. 1833 13.33
$ 66.65
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by D. Brown
Clerk,
Book E.
Vol. 1
Page 8

DECLARATION.
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th June, 1832.
DISTRICT OF MAINE, } ss. COUNTY OF LINCOLN, }
Jeremiah Bailey a Judge
Joseph Carll
and State of Maine, years,
On this sixth  seventh day of November 1832 personally appeared in open Court, before me Jeremiah Bailey a Judge of the Court of Probate within & for said County now sitting, Joseph Carll a resident of Camden  Waldoboro in the County of Waldo  Waldoboro and State of Maine, aged Seventy nine  Seventy nine years, who being duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832.
That he entered the Service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated
That he was born at Pownalborough (now Saco) in the State of Maine in the year 1753 The record of his age is in the town clerks office in Scarborough (Maine) That at the time of his enlistment as hereafter stated he was residing at Pownalborough - and after the revolutionary war he removed to Sanford (Maine) and removed to Camden (where he now lives) in the year 1799 That on the first of May 1775 he enlisted at Pownalborough aforesaid in Capt Jeremiah Hells Company Col James Soommons Regiment - Massachusetts State troops
he marched to Cambridge in the State of Massachusetts and served for the full term of eight months - was employed in building forts and guarding & protecting the country he was there at the Bunker hill engagement and was discharged the first of January 1776 by Capt Hall - His discharge is lost from the lapse of time He further states that there is no person with whom he is acquainted that is knowing to his services above stated but his Brother John Carll of Unity - who is a Revolutionary pensioner & served with him the whole of his term in the same company and regiment. he also states that he is known to Ephraim Sheldon and John Sartell of Camden who can testify to his character for veracity and their belief in the services above set forth
I hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any State Joseph Carll
Sworn to and subscribed to the day and year aforesaid.
Jeremiah Bailey Judge of Probate for said County of Lincoln
We, Ephraim Sheldon a Classman residing in the town of Camden and John Sartell residing in the town of Camden hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with Joseph Carll who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be Seventy nine  Seventy nine years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
Jeremiah Bailey
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that Ephraim Sheldon who has signed the preceding certificate, is a Classman resident in the town of Camden and that John Sartell who has also signed the same is a resident in the town of Camden

Capt Jeremiah Hills Company C d James Common Regiment - Massachusetts State Troops
he marched to Cambridge in the State of Mass- achusetts and served for the full term of eight months - was employed in building forts and guarding & protecting the country he was there at the Bunker Hill engagement and was discharged the first of January 1776 by Capt Hill - The discharge is lost from the lapse of time He further states that there is no person with whom he is acquainted that is knowing to his services above stated but his Brother John Carl of Unity - who is a Revolu- tionary pensioner & served with him the whole of the term in the same Company and Regiment. He also states that he is known to Ephraim Sheldon and John Sattell of Camden who can testify to his character for veracity and their belief in the services above set forth
he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of Joseph Carl
Sworn to and subscribed to the day and year aforesaid. Isaac Bailey Judge of Probate for said County of Lincoln
We, Ephraim Sheldon a citizen , residing in the Camden and John Sattell residing in the Camden hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with Joseph Carl who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be seventy nine years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid. Isaac Bailey Judge of Probate for said County of Lincoln
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that Ephraim Sheldon who has signed the preceding certificate, is a citizen , resident in the town of Camden and that John Sattell who has also signed the same is a resident in the Camden and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I John H. Sheppard Register of the Court of Probate aforesaid do hereby certify, that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the applica- tion of Joseph Carl for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this eighth day of November A. D. 1832.
John H. Sheppard Register of Probate for said County of Lincoln

I John Coall of lawful age do testify and say
that I knew Joseph Coall who lived in Saco and went into the Service in the year 1775 who Served under Capt Jerimiah Hill - and Capt James Scammon and Served at Cambridge for the term of eight months and was discharged the first day of Jan 1776 - and he served his time faithfully. he moved from Saco to Sanford and from Sanford to Camden where he has lived as recd as I can remember it was thirty four years ago when where he now resided the information that I had of him that I know the above facts, he is my brother and the time he was he was born in the town of Saco and County of York State of Maine
John Coall
6 Waldo ss on the twenty first of august in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two the above named John Coall was examined and cautioned and sworn agreeably to law to the deposition of aforesaid by him subscribed taken at the request of Joseph Coall the deponent was so aged and infirm that he could not get before the judge the deponent lives in the town of Unity County of Waldo and State of Maine
James Fowler Justice of the P.

Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress of July 7 th 1838 & subse- quent acts -
State of Maine } County of Waldo }
On this twenty seventh day of March A. D., 185 5 2 personally appeared before the Court of Probate within & for said county which is a Court of Record James Barle a Resident of Camden in said County aged sixty years, who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit for himself & the other children of Margery Barle his Mother deceased, of the provision made by the act of Congress pas- sed July 7, 1838 & subsequent acts containing the same in force -
That he is the son of Margery Barle late of Camden in said County deceased - that him- self and Rufus Barle and Rhoda Hilt of Hope in said County are the only surviving children & Heirs of said Margery Barle & of Joseph Barle her Husband also deceased - That the said Margery was the Widow of the said Joseph Barle who was a private in the United States Service in the Revolutionary War

the particulars of whose service are not suffi- ciently known to this Declarant to enable him to state them fully or accurately & who therefore begs leave to refer to the Military Records of the Government & particularly to the Documents on file in the Pension Office by means of which the said Joseph was pensioned under the act of June 7, 1832 at the rate of Twenty four dollars per annum, which pension he continued to draw until his death which took place on the third day of July A.D., 1839 at Camden in the County of Waldo
He further declares that the said Margery Bart was married to the said Joseph Bart on a day & year not positively & certainly known to this Declarant, but on some day in the year 1778 or in some year preceding that year - That her name before the said marriage was Margery Dearing - that her husband the aforesaid Joseph Bart died on the third day of July 1839 that she was not married to him or this Declarant before prior to his leaving the service, but the marriage took place previous to the first of Jan- uary seventeen hundred & ninety four was at the time above stated -
He further declares that the said Mar-

gery died on the third  twelfth day of July  October A.D. 1847 and that she remained a widow until her death all which will more fully appear by the proofs herewith presented -
That if the said marriage should prove to have taken place before the last period of said Joseph's service, the date of which is set up new of Record in his Pension Declaration & proof then & in that case he applies for the benefit of the 3 d section of the act of July 4, 1836.
James Carle
Sworn to & subscribed on the day & year where written before me
Joseph Miller
Judge of Probate for the County of Waldo -
State of Maine
Waldo County ss } I Charles Palmer, Register of Probate for said County do hereby certify that Joseph Miller is Judge of Probate for said County & that the signature to the foregoing certificate is genuine.
In testimony whereof I hereunto subscribe my name & affix the seal of the Probate Court this seventh day of April A.D. 1852.
Charles Palmer, Register of Probate for said County.

October 11, 1930
Margaret Snow Librarian Rockland Public Library Rockland, Maine
Dear Madam:
You are advised that it appears from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, R.1689, that Joseph Carll (the name also appears as Carle) was born in 1753, in Pepperelborough (later called Saco), Massachusetts (Maine).
He enlisted at said Pepperelborough, May 1, 1775, served as a private in Captain Jeremiah Hill's Company, Colonel James Scammon's Massachusetts Regiment, and was discharged January 1, 1776.
After the Revolution, he moved to Sanford, Massachusetts (Maine), and in 1799, moved to Camden, Waldo County, Massachusetts (Maine).
He was allowed pension on his application executed November 8, 1832, while residing in Camden, Maine.
He died July 3, 1839, in said Camden.
The soldier married about the year 1778, Margery Dearing. She died April 12, 1847. Both were buried in one grave at Camden, Maine.
In 1852, their only surviving children were:
James, aged sixty years, and Rufus, aged sixty-five years, both residents of Camden, Maine, and Rhoda Hilt, aged seventy-two years and a resident of Hope, Maine. The names of their other children are not recorded.
Very truly yours
E. W. MORGAN Acting Commissioner.

1689
REJECTED
P. O. Morgery Burke Widow of Joseph
Service: _____
Enlisted: _____, 18 .
Discharged: _____, 18 .
Application filed: _____, 18 .
Wages: _____
Re-enlisted: _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract.
_____ Cert. of Dis. Searched for _____, 18 .
1925 Dec 29. Visited to Francis J. Hanhull. and 1930 - Oct 11 - Visited to Margaret Snow. 88 L

I Ahner Knowles testify and say that I have been acquainted with John Carl who has signed & sworn to the annexed deposition and that his character for truth & veracity was always good
Ahner Knowles
Spincourt St May 14 th 1833
Signed and sworn to before me
H. Prince Just the Peace

Moody in a conversation with Mr. Cole was convinced that this claim was inadmissible no further action necessary 20 May 53
No 14.722 Margery Carle dec widow of Joseph Maine
Rejected
Geo. B. Moody Nov 29/62 Bangor, Me Geo. B. Moody Dec. 14/53
Act July 7 1838 (over)

SAMUEL E. SMITH,
GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF MAINE:
TO ALL WHO SHALL SEE THESE PRESENTS,
GREETING.
Sam E. Smith KNOW YE, That James Fowler , of Unity , in the county of Waldo , is one of our Justices of the Peace within and for said county; and that Hezekiah Prince , of Humaston , in the county of Lincoln , is one of our Justices of the Peace within and for said county.
duly nominated and appointed, commissioned and qualified; and that to their Acts and Attestations, as such, full faith and credit are and ought to be given in and out of Court.
In Testimony whereof, I have caused the Seal of the State to be hereunto affixed. GIVEN under my hand at AUGUSTA , this twentieth day of May _____ in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty-three and in the fifty-seventh year of the Independence of the United States of America.
BY THE GOVERNOR.
R. G. Greene
Secretary of State.

I Simson Tyler of Camden County of Waldo and State of Maine aged sixty eight years do upon my oath depose and say that ever since the year one thousand eight hundred. I have been acquainted with Joseph Carl of said Camden who was reputed to be a Revolutionary sol- dier. I further depose that I have been Sexton for the said town of Camden for the last twenty years. I further depose that in the year one thousand eight hundred and forty seven I was requested to attend the funeral of Mrs. Carl the widow of the said Joseph Carl and I attended to that duty on the fourteenth day of April.
I further depose that I know it to have been on that day from the date of my change for the service.
I further depose that on arriving at the grave I was met by Mr. Pendleton the Sexton of Hope with the remains of Joseph Carl which were deposited in the same grave with the remains of his widow
In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand this fourth day of May A.D. 1852
Simson Tyler

State of Maine County of Waldo } ss
Be it known that before me a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid on this fourth day of May A.D. 1852 personally appeared Simeon Tyler, the within subscriber, and made oath that the foregoing affidavit by him subscribed is true. I further certify that the said Simeon Tyler is entitled to credit.
Henry Hobbs Justice of Peace
State of Maine County of Waldo } ss.
I Nathaniel Patterson Clerk of all the Judicial Courts in said County certify that Henry Hobbs Esquire at the date of the foregoing certificate is an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County as appears by the above certificate that he duly qualified to act as such; and that the signature purporting to be his, is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my Hand and affixed the Seal of the Supreme Judicial Court for said State this tenth day of May one thousand eight hundred and fifty two.
N. Patterson Clerk

I Joseph Boardman of Hope County of Maine and State of Maine aged thirty three years do upon my oath depose and say, that I was personally acquainted with Joseph Corl of Cam- den who was reputed to be a Revolu- tionary Soldier and Pensioner.
He lived at the time of his death with his son James Corl in Camden near the line between Hope and Camden, but he was buried in Hope.
I further, depose that I saw the Funeral Procession of the said Joseph Corl as it was passing from the said James Corl's to the grove. It was on the fourth day of July A.D. one thousand eight hundred and thirty nine. I recollect there was a Ball that evening at the Village in Hope which was attended by my Brother John, my Sister Eliza and myself.
At that time Elbridge Payson was paying his addresses to my Sister Eliza, but at this time (July 4 th 1839) the said Payson was prevented from attending the Ball by sick- ness, and for this reason my Brother John and Sister Eliza were partners at the Ball.
I further depose that the said Elbridge

Pearson died on the fifth day of January A.D. one thousand eight hundred and forty and from the above circumstances I know that the said Joseph Goss was buried on the 4 th day of July A.D. 1839.
Witness my Hand this seventh day of May A.D. 1852 Joseph Boardman
State of Maine } County of Wolke } ss.
Be it known, that before me a justice of the Peace in and for the County and State aforesaid, on this seventh day of May A.D. 1852, personally appeared Joseph Boardman the above subscriber and made oath in due form of law that the foregoing affidavit by him subscribed is true. I further certify that the said Joseph Boardman is entitled to credit. Henry Hobbs Justice of Peace

State of Maine } County of Waldo } S.
I Nathaniel Patterson Clerk of all the Judicial Courts in said County certify that here at the date of the foregoing certificate Henry Hobbs Osborn is an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County as appears by the within certificate, that he is duly qualified to act as such; and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine.
In Witness Whereof I have hereunto set my Hand and affixed the Seal of the Supreme Judicial Court for said State this tenth day of May A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty two
N. Patterson Clerk

I Job Pendleton of Rockland in the County of Lincoln in the State of Maine aged 37 years do upon my oath depose and say, that in the year 1847 I was Sexton in the town of Hope in the County of Waldo and State aforesaid that at the request of James Carll of Camden in said County of Waldo, I took up the remains of Joseph Carll on the fourteenth day of April one thousand eight hundred and forty seven and carried them to said Camden and saw them deposited in a grave with his widow who was buried that day. Witness my hand this twenty seventh day of April one thousand eight hundred and fifty two, Job Pendleton
State of Maine } ss April 27 th 1852 County of Waldo }
Be it known that before me a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid personally appeared Job Pendleton the above subscriber and made oath that the foregoing affidavit by him subscribed is true. I further certify that the said Job Pendleton is entitled to credit.
Henry Hobbs Justice of the Peace

State of Maine } County of Waldo }
I Nathaniel Patterson Clerk of all the Judicial Courts in said County certify that Henry Hobbs Esquire has at the date of the forgoing certificate is an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County as appears by the within certificate, that he is duly qualified to act as such; and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine.
In Witness Whereof I have hereunto set my Hand and affixed the Seal of the Supreme Judicial Court for said State this tenth day of May A.D. one thousand eight hun- dred and fifty two.
N. Patterson Clerk

I Rufus Carr of Camden in the County of Waldo and State of Maine aged sixty five years do upon my oath depose and say that Rhoda Hilt of Hope in the County and State aforesaid aged seventy two years, myself, and James Carr of said Camden aged sixty years are all and the only children who now survive of Joseph and Margery Carr late of said Camden deceased.
I further depose that my Father died on the third day of July A.D. 1839 and for many years prior to his death he received a Revolutionary Pension.
I further depose that my Mother died on the twelfth day of April A.D. 1847 and that for the last 8 or 10 years of my Mother's life, her faculties were much depressed by extreme old age, and for this reason I made no effort to obtain her Pension.
In witness whereof I have hereunto set my Hand this twenty third day of March A.D. 1852 Rufus Carr
State of Maine } ss March 23, A.D. 1852 County of Waldo } ss Be it known, that before me a Justice of the Peace in and

for the County aforesaid, duly authorized to administer oaths, personally appeared the within named Rufus Carl and made oath in due form of law that the within affidavit by him subscribed is true, and I hereby certify that the said Rufus Carl is entitled to credit.
Henry Hobbs Justice of the Peace
State of Maine County of Waldo } ss
I Nathaniel Patterson Clerk of all the Judicial Courts in said County certify that Henry Hobbs Esquire is hereby at the date of the foregoing certificate an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County as appears by the above certificate, that he is duly qualified to act as such; and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my Hand and affixed the Seal of the Supreme Judicial Court for said State this 14 th day of May one thousand eight hundred and fifty two.
N. Patterson Clerk

No 14,792
Declaration & Proofs Revolutionary Pension Heirs of Carl - act July 7, 1838 &c
Presented by Geo. B. Moody agent & atty Bangor
Aug. 10. 1872

5036 I James Carr of Camden in the County of Waldo and State of Maine aged sixty years do upon my oath depose and say that I am the youngest child now living of Joseph and Mangery Carr late of Camden deceased I further depose that there are but two more children living namely Rhoda Hilt of Hope in said County and State aged seventy two years and Rufus Carr of said Camden aged sixty five years.
I further depose that in their old age they lived in my house and that for many years till the time of his death which took place July 3 A.D. 1839 my father received a Revolutionary Pension of twenty four dollars per year. My Mother's faculties at the time of my Father's death and after- wards till the time of her death which took place April 12 th A.D. 1847 were very much debilitated, insomuch, that I doubted whether I could support her claim, and for this reason I have neglected until now to make any ef- forts to obtain her Pension In witness whereof I have hereunto set my

Hand this twenty sixth day of March AD 1852 James Carle
State of Maine County of Waldo } ss
Be it known that before me a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid duly authorized to administer oaths personally appeared the above named James Carle and made oath in due form of law that the within affidavit by him subscribed is true, and I hereby certify that the said James Carle is entitled to credit. Sworn to and subscribed the day and year above written.
Henry Hobbs Justice of the Peace

State of Maine } County of Waldo } ss
I Nathaniel Patterson Clerk of all the Judicial Courts in said County cer- tify, that Henry Hobbs Osborn being at the date of the foregoing certificate is an acting Jus- tice of the Peace in and for said County as appears by the within certificate, that he is duly qualified to act as such; and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my Hand and affixed the Seal of the Supreme Judicial Court for said State this 14 th day of May one thou- sand eight hundred and fifty two
N. Patterson Clerk

STATE OF MAINE.
COUNTY OF KENNEBEC, SS.—
I, WILLIAM M. STRATTON, Clerk of all the Judicial Courts holden within and for the County of Kennebec, hereby certify that
Samuel Kimball of Waterville,
Esquire, before whom the annexed proceedings were had, and who has thereto affixed his genuine signature was at the time of so doing a _____ Justice of the Peace, in and for the said County of Kennebec, duly commissioned and qualified, and that full faith and credit are due to his official acts done as aforesaid.
In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of our Supreme Judicial Court this fifteenth day of May Anno Domini, one thousand eight hundred and fifty- two .
W. M. Stratton

I Reuben Ricker, of Waterville in the County of Kennebec in the State of Maine aged seventy one years, do upon my oath depose and say that from the year one thousand seven hundred and ninety two to the year one thousand seven hundred and ninety eight I lived in the town of Sanford in the State of Maine, about two and a half miles from Joseph and Margety Carl. I used to go by their house to go to meeting and was well acquainted with them and their children.
In the year one thousand seven hundred and ninety nine I went to Camden in the State of Maine and for ten years afterwards I was acquainted with the said Joseph and Margety Carl and their family.
In the year one thousand eight hundred and ten I moved to Waterville in the State aforesaid and have frequently visited the said Joseph Carl's family.
I further depose and say that even since my first acquaintance with the said Joseph and Margety Carl till the time of his death they lived together as Husband and Wife.
In witness whereof I have hereunto Reuben Ricker set my hand this 21 st day of March 1852 —

State of Maine County of Penobscot } S.
Be it known that before me Saml Kimball a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid, per- sonally appeared Reuben Richen and made oath in due form of law that the within affidavit by him subscribed is true, and I hereby certify that the said Reuben Richen is entitled to credit.
Sworn and subscribed this 7 th day of March A.D. 1852
Saml Kimball - Justice Peace

STATE OF MAINE.
COUNTY OF KENNEBEC, SS.—
I, WILLIAM M. STRATTON, Clerk of all the Judicial Courts holden within and for the County of Kennebec, hereby certify that
Samuel Kimball of Waterville,
Esquire, before whom the annexed proceedings were had, and who has thereto affixed his genuine signature, was at the time of so doing a Justice of the Peace, in and for the said County of Kennebec, duly commissioned and qualified, and that full faith and credit are due to his official acts done as aforesaid.
In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of our Supreme Judicial Court this fifteenth day of May Anno Domini, one thousand eight hundred and fifty- two
W. M. Stratton

I Pertheua Bicker of Waterville in the County of Kennebec and State of Maine aged seventy two years do upon my oath depose and say that when I was ten years of age I lived with my Parents in the town of Sanford in the State of Maine. We were then the nearest neighbors to Joseph and Margery Carl. I was a school-mate with their children. In the year one thousand seven hundred and ninety eight my Parents and the said Joseph and Margery Carl with their fam- ilies moved to Camden in the State of Maine I was acquainted with them and their children in Camden.
In the year one thousand eight hundred and ten I moved into Waterville and have fre- quently visited the Carl family since. I further depose and say that even since my first acquaintance with the said Joseph and Margery Carl till the time of his death they lived together as Husband and Wife. All the children of the said Joseph and Margery Carl that now survive are Rhoda Hilt Rufus and James Carl.
In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand seal this 17th day of March 1852.
Pertheua Bicker

State of Maine County of Penobscot } ss.
Be it known that before me Sam l Kimball a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid personally appeared Penhena Riches and made oath in due form of law that the within affidavit by her subscribed is true; and I hereby certify that the said Penhena Riches is entitled to credit.
Sworn and subscribed this 7 th day of March A.D. 1852
Sam l Kimball - Justice Peace

State of Maine County of Waldo } ss March 27 th 1852— }
Be it known that before me Joseph Miller Judge of the Court of Probate (which is a Court of Record) for the County aforesaid it was satisfactorily proved that Rhoda Hilt of Hope in said County aged seventy two years Rufus Carl of Candia in said County aged sixty five years and James Carl of said Candia aged sixty years are all and the only chil- dren of Montgomery Carl who was the widow of Joseph Carl late of said Candia deceased; and that the said Joseph Carl was a Revolutionary Pensioner and soldier
Joseph Miller Judge of Probate for said County of Waldo

Bangor Dec. 17. 1853
Sir
I beg leave to thank you for your speedy reply to my letter respecting the case of Muzzey Bank. I understand by its lucid statement the origin of the law of March 3. 1851 - The decision of Mr Ewing to which you allude is unpublished or at least cannot be found any where by me - and not being aware of the existence of any decision so contradictory to the law & practice as they stood before it was natural that the Law of March should have appeared not superfluous to me and a law which could make claims like those in question any worse than they were before -
I remain Very Respectfully Your Obedt Geo. B. Woodley
Hon L. P. Haskell Commr of Pensions

House of Representatives Dec. 23. 1852,
Sir,
I have the honor to enclose to you an argument of Geo. B. Moody Esq. of Bangor, in the case of the Heirs of Margery Leake.
I have read the argument carefully, and you will allow me to say that I think it entirely conclusive in favor of the position which he maintains. I would beg to call your early attention to it, unfa thanks you & to inform me of your decision.
I have the honor to be, Very respectfully, yours, J. Walcutt Jr.
Hon. J. E. Heath, Comt. of Pensions,

In case of the New's of Marger's back.
Resolutory Claim
Letter of Geo. B. Moody
To
The Commissioner containing argument in answer to letter of Nov. 29, 1852

Bangor Dec. 3. 1852
Sir
I am very much surprised by your letter of Nov. 29. 1852 in the case of Margery Badeo Heis stating that she has no claim because her Husband was alive on the 7 July 1838 - I had thought it certain that the practice had been to allow such claims although the Husband died after the act - and I supposed the practice had been caused and sustained under the following authorities.
Mr Colmonds by letter of Nov 14. 1842 to Mr Spencer Sec. at War asks his opinion as to the act of July and the effect of the act of Aug. 23. 1842 upon it. Mr Spencer in reply says "The act of 1838 provided "for those who were Widows at the time of its passage; that is it excluded those who were "married at that time - Now the act declares " &c - It therefore in terms repeals the provision of the act of 1838 " - The 2 d clause of the act of Aug. as reported made an special provision allowing the pension to the Widows where their Husbands have died or shall hereafter die after the act of 1838 - This provision was not however retained in the act of August as it passed - & Mr Spencer says in relation to it The 2 d clause

embraced a particular class, who were unlawfully provided for by the first section, and it was needless !" "I think the Claimant is entitled to her pension." This opinion certainly goes the whole length of giving the Pension whether the applicant was married or a widow at the date of the act of 1838 -
To be sure the case was one where she was at said date the wife of a second Husband - but certainly her claim could not be consid- ered as more meritorious than if she had at that time been the wife of the soldier for whose services she claims - & both Mr Edwards & Mr Spencer seem anxious to avoid giving any such preference to the 2 nd marriage as the reading of the letter & opinion will show Pension Law - c Page 70 -
Again, on the 1 st May 1844 Mr Edwards asks the opin- ion of the then Sec. at War as to the operation of the act of 1838 & the subsequent acts as follows "1. If the husband "was a Pensioner and died at any time between the "4 th March 1836 and the 4 th March 1841, is not the widow "entitled to that portion of the five years pension which "accrued between the day of his death when his pen- "sion ceased, and the 4 th March 1841? "2. If the Husband was a Pensioner and died "at any time between the 4 th March 1841 and the "30 th of March 1843, is the widow entitled to the

benefit of the law of March 3, 1843, which allows a one year's pension to all those widows, who were entitled to the benefits of the acts of July 7, 1838 and August 23, 1842?"
To which questions the Secy Mr. McKim's replies, " I answer in the affirmative " -
The acts named are mere extensions of the act of July 7, 1838 - and each of the above questions is predicated entirely upon the fact of the Revolutionary Husband who was drawing his Pen- sion being alive at and after the date of the act of July 7, 1838 -
Pension laws, page 75.
Again, Mr. Edmonds on June 23, 1844 in his cir- cular of that date says "In all cases in which the Husband was a Pensioner, the widows pension will commence on the day of his death , unless he died before the 4 March 1836, or between the 4 th of March 1841 and the 4 March 1843 - If he died between the two last dates the widows pension will begin on the 4 March 1843" - This was as to the effect of the act June 17, 1844, which is a mere continuance of that of 1838 4 years longer. all the foregoing opinions, letters, constructions & as- sections of practice in the Pension Office, we ques- tions arising entirely out of the fact that the claimant although a widow when she made the claim, was not a widow at the date of the act of July 7, 1838 -

Should any words have more distinctly proclaimed then to Maryg Leake in her life time that she was by law, authority & practice of the Pension Office entitled to a pension from the estate of her husband although he was living on the 7 July 1838? If I have any understanding of language at all the question admits of no other than an affirmative answer - and there is no question that her children succeed to her rights -
Is it possible that notwithstanding all these declarations of the Commissioners of Pensions the practice has not been in conformity thereto - I have looked in vain through all the laws & Regulations of the Office which I have had the means of seeing, and through all the published opinions of the Atty Genl and I find nothing retracting, contradicting or limiting this construction -
And I would respectfully ask whether parties at most invariably how should not be put on their guard and warned by public Circulars against incurring handsome expenses on the faith of official opinions, and official assertions of practice, and not after having incurred those expenses & prosecuted claims upon that faith, be told when it is too late, that the practice has not been conformable to those Official Declarations, or has been suddenly changed?
The only indication that any doubt has existed on this point which has come to my knowledge is the passage of the act of March 3, 1851 - but since

from the fact that said act is very different from that which was purposed by those who moved in the matter, can that be considered in any other light than as setting at rest by the authority of a distinct law any question as to the operation of the law of 1838 & the subsequent statutes - Is it any thing more or less than a legislative Executive order to the Commissioner of Pensions that in construing the act of 1838 he should not allow the existence of the husband at the date of said act to bar the Pensions?
Is not that the gist of the law to set at rest any doubt about the construction of the act 1838 in this particular - and permit me to ask how is that purpose a most beneficial one to those coming within its purview, announced by saying to the children of such a widow, your Mother unfortunately died after some doubts had arisen as to the propriety of the decisions of sundry Secretaries of War, and of the promulgation of practice! of my predecessor in the office of Commissioner of Pensions, and before the Congress had declared that there was no weight & should be no weight given to any such doubts and because she has thus died although you are the successors to her rights we shall refuse to you the benefit of the law which we could not refuse to her if she was living -

I say then that it seems clear to me that the children ought to have the benefit of this law as much as the mother - the language of it is that the benefits of the act 1838 &c "shall not be withheld from any widow" - Is it not the true as well as the literal meaning of the Statute that the benefits &c shall not be withheld from any Widow, claim &c -
But I return to the position that however the act of March 3, 1871 be construed, it was wholly a superfluous act, the decisions of the Govt  law & the Regulations of the office having settled authoritatively, before & long before that the benefits of said act of July 1838 & the subsequent acts should not be withheld from a widow because she was not a widow at the date of said act -
And it seems to me that I have fully proved the correctness of this position by the authorities I have cited -
I submit these views as over-poweringly conclusive to my own mind, yet with all deference & respect, to your consideration and I ask with the same respect that the case may be reconsidered -
In case it cannot be I ask for the right opportunity of appeal to the Secy of the Interior.
I remain very Respectfully Hon. J. P. Keating 60000 of Pleas - Your Obedt Servt Geo. B. Moody

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Hon. H. P. Waldo Commr. of Pensions

Bangor Dec. 7. 1853
Sir
The claim of Heirs of Maryg Carle under Act of July 7, 1838 was sent by me to the Pension Office Aug. 10. 1852 - The Soldier died 3 July 1839 - the wid- ow died 12 Apr. 1847.
On the 29 Nov. 1852 it was rejected because She was not a widow at the passage of the act 1838 and died before the act of March 3. 1851 -
On the 15 Dec. 1852 I submitted an answer to the letter of Nov. - remonstrating against the decision & expressing my reasons & views upon the point raised at con- siderable length -
As I have received no answer to that letter I now have the honor to request that it may be read and duly con- sidered by you and that you will be indulgent enough to give your attention to such suggestions as I may now make - altho probably they may be substantially a repe- tition for I have no copy of my said letter -

On the 14 Nov 1842 Mr Edmonds took the opinion of Mr Spencer as to the construction to be given to the act of 1838 & that of 16 Aug. or of 23 Aug 1842, the former contending that to entitle to a Pension the applicant must have been the widow of the soldier at the date of the first named act. Mr Spencer decides that the act of August repealed the provision of that of 1838 requiring that the widowhood should have existed at the date thereof & so decided that she was entitled if she became his widow after that act.
It will not I think be denied that the practice of the Pension Office immediately & continually after that conformed to that decision - at what time if ever it ceased to conform thereto there is absolutely nothing that I can find after a careful and thorough examination in any of the published Laws or Regulations to indicate -
I think it may be safely asserted that up to the date of the death of Mrs Gable such conformity had not ceased & if her children had then applied the Pension due the matter must in consistency with the law & the course of administration
See Mayo & Matthews Laws have 498 - re cited in who Regulations &c letter my other letter

in the office have been granted to them. Nor ought that appears to the Public there was then no necessity for the passage of the act of March 3, 1850 which provides expres- ly & solely that the fact of the Husband be- ing in existence at the date of the act of July 7, 1838 or either of the subsequent acts shall be no bar to the widows claim. But the object of the laws (Mower of the Law must have been to remove some doubt or obviate the rejection of some individual case (like this of Mrs. Carle) where the former principle of administration had been departed from - at any rate whether there was or not any necessity therefore the sole purpose of said law was to prevent the exclusion of the very class of widows of which Mrs. Carle was one & of their Heirs of course since the widows right is a vested right. The case would therefore seem to stand thus - By construction of law & by long continued principles & usages of ad- ministration, Mrs. Carle at her death had acquired a right to a certain amount of Pension which could have been obtained by her or then upon her death by her Children -

a few years pass away before they make any claim for it and in the mean time in order to make that plainer which seemed plain enough before & for the purpose of put- ting an end to any possible doubt about the right a benevolent Congress pass a solemn act declaring it - and when at length the claim is made which would for aught that appears have been perfectly good before it is rejected because the mother had the mis- fortune to die before said act was passed - If that act cannot help these children in the name of Justice do not let it cut them off when its purpose was so benevolent, from a right which was sufficiently vested in them before -
If that act intended beyond the remotest doubt to embrace their case technically does not close, then on their behalf I respectfully ask, return to the old construction and the old usage which are in most perfect accordance with the spirit & purpose of the new act -
Trusting that these & my other views will be weighed with candour I have the honor to subscribe myself & my Respectfully Hon. L. P. Malolo Commr of Pensions
Yours Oct 21st Geo B Moody

159 172 Pension Office Dec. 14. 1853
Sir,
Your letter of the 7 th instant is received. You say that the claim of Margery Burke under the act of July 7. 1838 was sent by you to the Pension Office August 10. 1852. That the soldier who was a Revolutionary pensioner died July 3 rd 1839, and the widow of the soldier died April 12. 1847. You further say that this claim has been rejected, because the widow of the soldier was not a widow on the 7 th day of July 1838 and died before the 3 rd day of March 1851; and you complain of this decision. But I have to inform you that this decision is in strict conformity to the law as held  adjudged by Secretary Ewing on the 6 th day of March 1850, and subsequently sanctioned by Congress. On that day Mr. Ewing in the case of Sarah White laid down the law that a widow must have been such on the 7 th day of July 1838 to be entitled to the provisions of the act of that date. The subject matter of that decision was taken to Congress and the Committee on Revolutionary Pensions reporting in the House of Representatives reported a resolution reviving that decision. This resolution

Dec. 14/53. Geo. B. Moody
passed the House in the Spring of 1850 and went to the Senate for its concurrence. The Senate refused to concur, and the result of the difference produced the joint Reso- lution of March 3. 1851. This last resolution lets in all widows whose husbands died after June 7, 1838, who were alive on the 3 rd day of March 1851, but does not aid the children of those who died before that day. This decision of Secretary Ewing and the action of Congress, thereon makes an end of the question of our present. I cannot per take the initiative of Congress in this matter, for I reported the joint resolution myself that passed the House in the Spring of 1850, and had the honor to draw up the resolution of March 3. 1851 that finally became a law. — Whatever may have been my own private opin- ions concerning the propriety of the decision alluded to, I find it now the law of the land and am bound to conform to it. — I have the honor to remain Yours truly &c
George B. Moody Esq. Bangor Maine

Pension Office
Nov 29 1852
Sir
The application of Margery Carle dec d widow of Joseph of Maine has been received and filed under the Act of July 7 1838. She was not a widow at the passage of the Act of July 7 1838, and did not live until the passage of the Act of March 3 1837, passed for the benefit of widows of Revolutionary Soldiers, who were not such at the passage of the first named act; - There is, therefore, no claim.
Geo. B. Moody Esq Bangor Me

ROCKLAND PUBLIC LIBRARY ROCKLAND, MAINE
Sept. 18th, 1930
Commissioners of Pensions Washington, D. C.
Dear Sir:
Among the Revolutionary Pensions from Maine was one Joseph Carll , and Chever Kendall whose Military and family records as disclosed by the papers on file in their pension cases I very much desire to obtain, will you supply this data?
Yours very truly, Margaret Snow Librarian.

Hallowell, Maine
Nov. 18, 1920-
Will you send me details of pension record of Joseph Carl, Rev. soldier, who in 1835 was in Waldo Co., Maine, and was 81?
Very truly yours
Jehiel J. Haskell

Rev. & 1812 Wars Section.
December 29, 1925.
Jessica J. Haskell, Hallowell, Maine
Madam:
I have to advise you, that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, R. 1689, it appears that Joseph Carll, or Carle, was born in 1753, at Pepperellborough, (later called Saco) Maine, and while living there, enlisted May 1, 1775, and served for eight months as a private, in Captain Jeremiah Hill's Company, Colonel James Scammon's Massachusetts Regiment.
He was allowed pension on his application executed November 8, 1832, while living at Camden, Waldo County, Maine.
He married about the year 1778, Margery Dearing and he died at Camden, Maine July 3, 1839, she married again, but the name of husband is not stated. She died at said Camden on April 12, 1847. In 1852, their only surviving children were: James aged sixty years and Rufus aged sixty-five years, both residents of Camden, Maine and Rhoda Hilt aged seventy-two years and a resident of Hope, Maine. The names of their other children are not on record.
Respectfully,
E. W. MORGAN, Acting Commissioner.
portion of children's names only legal as per memorandum