Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 9139, William Carmack, Va.

SERVICE
NUMBER
Va.
Carmack, William
S 9139
See record R-6394 (Henry Livingston) for birth record.
CONTENTS
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Virginia 16.218
1883 Oct - history sent to L C Drafar
William Carmack of Lee Co. in the State of Virginia who was a pri: in the company commanded by Captain Shelby of the Regt. commanded by Col. Montgomery the Virginia line for 13 months & 11 days
Inscribed on the Roll of Virginia at the rate of 44 Dollars 87 1/2 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1834.
Certificate of Pension issued the 18 th day of July '33 and sent Col. En. D. Sharp Lee C. H. Va.
Arrears to the 4th of March 33 - 89.08 Semi-ant. allowance ending 4 Sept. - 22.27 $111.35-
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by Wm. Miller Clerk, Book E. Vol. 6. Page 5
H. D. Supt 24-1861

Virginia
At court begun third for Lee County at the courthouse thereof on the 15 th day of October 1832.
Declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress of the 7 th of June 1832.
State of Virginia County of Lee ss.  On the 15 th day of October 1832 personally appeared before the County Court of said County, being established a Court of Record, by an act of Assembly of the State aforesaid, William Cannick a Resident of said County and State, aged Seventyone years on the 5 th day of January last past, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth, on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7 th 1832. That he enlisted in the army of the Revolutionary War in the County of Washington, in the State aforesaid in the Virginia line, in the month of January 1779 under Captain James Shelby for one year, in the Regiment commanded by Col. John Montgomery under whom he marched, after having met at the place of rendezvous, which was at the Long Islands of Holstein, to the Mouth of Big Creek in Hawkins County, now in Tennessee, where we were Stationed some days, from whence we marched to the Chickasaw Towns, in company with a Militia Regiment commanded by Col. Evan Shelby. On reaching the before mentioned Indian Towns, occupied them about two weeks destroying the corn in the neighbourhood, the Indians having fled, and after destroying the Towns, Col. Montgomery's Regiment to which this applicant belonged, marched to the and took camp at the Ocoy a French Town on the Kaskaskia River. Col. Evan Shelby with his Militia troops having returned home from Chickamogy on the Tennessee. At the Ocoy Col. Montgomery joined the Regiment commanded by Col. George Rogers Clarke, who in about a Month after our arrival at the Ocoy marched us to Vincennes, then called the Opost, and who commanded us during the remainder of our term of enlistment, Col. Montgomery still continuing in the Service as a Subordinate to Col. Clarke. This applicant remained at the Opost until the expiration of his enlistment, under a Lieutenant Thomas Willson, and Ensign Gerard Williams, as a guard to the Fort of Opost. Col. Clarke with the remainder of the troops having returned to the Ocoy, The time of this applicant's enlistment expired on the 29 th

day of May 1780 being 12 Months from the time he reached the army but no officer being at the post authorized to discharge him, he remained at the Fort until some time in June, when an order reached there, directing the troops at that place to March to the Iron Banks on the Mississippi River, Six miles below the Mouth of the Ohio River, where Col Montgomery would meet them, and grant discharges. The applicant, with the other troops at the post, immediately proceeded to the Iron Banks, where they were met by Col. Montgomery, and discharged by him, at that place on the 10th day of July 1780, and returned from there through the Wilderness to his residence in Washington, after having served about Sixteen Months, although his enlistment was for 13. This applicant sent his discharge to Richmond in Virginia, three several times, to enable him to draw his pay, and obtain his bounty for his services aforesaid, which he never obtained from what cause he cannot account, and there his discharge was finally detained, or lost, so that he could never possess it. He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any agency in any state.
Sworn to and subscribed this day and year aforesaid
William his Carmack mark X
Sworn to in open court on the 15th day of October 1832 Teste
Alvin W. Mills Clerk
State of Tennessee
Hawkins County } Be it remembered that Thomas Brooks of Hawkins County and State of Tennessee aforesaid, aged about Seventy two years, personally appeared before me John A. Rogers an acting Justice of the peace for said County and State aforesaid, and made oath that he has been acquainted with William Carmack since the year 1779 and this deponent further states that the said William Carmack enlisted with himself in Captain James Shelby's company in the Month of January 1779 Sometime in March we encamped at the Long Island of Holston about two weeks, then March to the Mouth of Big Creek Hawkins County where we stayed a short time, from thence to Chickamauga Town which was burnt by the troops under Colonels Evan Shelby and John Montgomery from thence the troops under Col John Montgomery

Marched to Illinois with Said Wm Cannack & myself in the company commanded by Captain James Shelby. both Soldiers for one year. when the troops arrived 29 th day of May 1779 five Miles up Kaskaskia River at an old French Town. at which time we were informed that our time would commence which place we left and proceeded to the post of Vincence on the Wabash River. with the troops under the command of Col. John Montgomery. and the company commanded by Captain James Shelby. when this deponent left Said William Cannack. in March 1780 when he went as an express to Kaskaskia. and this deponent states the Said William Cannack was in the Service of the United States with himself fourteen Months. and this deponent further saith not
Thomas his Brooks
Sworn to and Subscribed before me the Second day of October 1832.
Jn. A. Rogers Justice of the peace for Hawkins County and State of Tennessee
State of Tennessee Hawkins County } I John A. Rogers an acting Justice of the peace for Hawkins County and State aforesaid do certify that I have known and have been acquainted with Thomas Brooks the person who has testified to the Service of William Cannack above forty years who has lived in this County ever since and that he has Sustained the character of a Man of truth and honesty and that true faith and credit is due to his Statement
Jn. Rogers Justice of the peace for Hawkins County Tennessee
State of Tennessee.
I Stokely D. Mitchell Clerk of the Court of Pleas and quarter Sessions for the County of Hawkins in the State aforesaid do certify that John A. Rogers whose Signature appears above is an acting Justice of the peace in and for the County of Hawkins aforesaid, and that due faith and credit should be given to his official acts as such.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto Subscribed my name and affixed the Seal of office in Rogersville the 2 d day of October 1832.
L.D. Mitchell Clk
Col. Peter Fulkerson a Respectable witness, aged Sixty Eight years was produced in court by William Cannack in aid of his application for a pension who being first duly sworn deposeth and saith. That he was

acquainted with the Said William Carmack before the Revolutionary war, resided in the same neighbourhood with him when the war took place - recollects that he heard of his enlistment in the army, about the time it took place, during the Revolution, knows that he was absent from the neighbourhood some considerable time, but how long this affiant does not now recollect, and said to be in the service of his country, remembers his return to the neighbourhood, after his services were ended, and often afterwards heard him tell of his fatigues and privations in the army in the Western wilderness; heard him speak of Col. Montgomery, and George Rogers Clarke; of the army, post and other forts in Illinois, and then believed, & still believes, he served under the said officers, as he has stated in his declaration this day made. This affiant further states that he has been acquainted with the said William Carmack personally and from character ever since his first acquaintance with him, and has always esteemed him as a man of truth and excellent character, and further this deponent saith not.
Sworn to & Subscribed in open court the 15 th day of October 1832 Teste J. W. S. Monson DC
Peter Fulkerson
John Fulkerson a respectable witness aged fifty eight years, produced by William Carmack, being duly sworn deposeth and saith, that he has been acquainted with the said William Carmack ever since he can remember any person until the present time. Although very young at the time, this deponent remembers to have heard of his absence in the army, during the war of the Revolution, remembers his return to his residence in Washington County, after his enlistment expired. Has often heard him tell of his services under Col. Montgomery and Clarke, and speak of the army and post forts in Illinois, and relate the different incidents of his campaign, and always believed, and still believes that he served in the army of the Revolution, as he has stated in his declaration this day made. This deponent further states that his acquaintance with the said William Carmack has been of the most intimate character, and he can say with confidence that his character for truth and integrity is not excelled by any man, and further saith not.
Sworn to and Subscribed in open court the 15 th day of October 1832. Teste J. W. S. Morrison DC
John Fulkerson

Jonesville V.A. July 9 th 1833
(Application for a pension)
25 54
The Honorable
Lewis Cass
Secretary of War Washington City
Rev.
Winburnack 22693

7 Virginia
At Court begun third for Lee County at the courthouse thereof on the 15 th day of October 1832.
Declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress of the 7 th of June 1832.
State of Virginia County of Lee ss.
On the 15 th day of October 1832 personally appeared before the County Court of Said County, being established a Court of Record, by an act of Assembly of the State aforesaid, William Cannick a resident of Said County and State, aged Seventy one years on the 5 th day of January last past, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth, on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7 th 1832. That he enlisted in the army of the Revolutionary War in the County of Washington, in the State aforesaid in the Virginia line, in the month of January 1779 under Captain James Shelby for one year, in the Regiment commanded by Col. John Montgomery under whom he Marched, after having met at the place of Rendezvous, which was at the Long Islands of Holstein, to the Mouth of Big Creek in Hawkins County, now in Tennessee, where we were Stationed Some days, from whence we Marched to the Chickamauga Towns, in company with a Militia Regiment commanded by Col. Evan Shelby. On reaching the before mentioned Indian Towns, occupied them about two weeks destroying the corn in the neighborhood the Indians having fled, and after destroying the Towns, Col. Montgomery's Regiment to which this applicant belonged, Marched to the and took camp at the Ocoy or French Town on the Kasaski River. Col. Evan Shelby with his Militia troops having returned home from Chickamauga on the Tennessee. At the Ocoy Col. Montgomery joined the Regiment commanded by Col. George Rogers Clarke, who in about a Month after our arrival at the Ocoy Marched us to Vincennes, then called the O post, and who commanded us during the remainder of our term of enlistment, Col. Montgomery Still continuing in the Service as a Subordinate to Col. Clarke. This applicant remained at the O post until the expiration of his enlistment, under Lieutenants Thomas Wilson, and Ensign Gerard Williams, as a guard to the Fort or O post. Col. Clarke with the remainder of the troops having returned to the Ocoy, The time of this applicant's enlistment expired on the 29 th

day of May 1780 being 12 Months from the time he reached the a coy but no officer being at the opost authorised to discharge him, he remained at the Fort until Some time in June, when an order reached there, directing the troops at that place to March to the Iron banks on the Mississippi River, Six miles below the Mouth of the Ohio River, where Col Montgomery would meet them, and grant discharges. The applicant, with the other troops at the opost, immediately proceeded to the Iron Banks, where they were met by Col. Montgomery, and discharged by him, at that place on the 10 th day of July 1780, and returned from there through the Wilderness to his residence in Washington, after having served about Sixteen Months, although his enlistment was for 13. — This applicant sent his discharge to Richmond in Virginia, three several times, to enable him to draw his pay, and obtain his bounty for his services aforesaid, which he never obtained from what cause he cannot account, and there his discharge was finally detained, or lost, so that he could never possess it. He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Role of any agency in any state
Sworn to and Subscribed the day and year aforesaid
William his Carmack mark X
Sworn to in open court on the 15 th day of October 1832 Teste
Alva W. Mills C.S.K.
State of Tennessee
Hawkins County } Be it remembered that Thomas Brooks of Hawkins County and State of Tennessee aforesaid aged about Seventy two years, personally appeared before me John A. Rogers an acting Justice of the peace for said County and State aforesaid, and made oath that he has been acquainted with William Carmack since the year 1779 and this deponent further states that the said William Carmack enlisted with himself in Captain James Shelby's company in the Month of January 1779 Sometime in March we encamped at the Long Island of Holston about two weeks, then March to the Mouth of Big Creek Hawkins County where we stayed a short time, from thence to Chickamauga Town which was burnt by the troops under Colonels Evan Shelby and John Montgomery from thence the troops under Col John Montgomery

Marched to Illinois with Said W m Cannack & myself in the company commanded by Captain James Shelby. both Soldiers for one year. when the troops arrived 29 th day of May 1779 five Miles up Kaskaskia River at an old French Town. at which time we were informed that our time would commence which place we left and proceeded to the post of Vincennes on the Wabash River. with the troops under the command of Col. John Montgomery. and the company commanded by Captain James Shelby. when this deponent left Said William Cannack. in March 1780 when he went as an express to Kaskaskia. and this deponent States the Said William Cannack was in the Service of the United States with himself fourteen Months. and this deponent further saith not
Thomas his Brooks
Sworn to and Subscribed before me the Second day of October 1832.
Jn. A. Rogers Justice of the Peace for Hawkins County and State of Tennessee
State of Tennessee
Hawkins County } I John A. Rogers an acting Justice of the Peace for Hawkins County and State aforesaid do certify that I have known and have been acquainted with Thomas Brooks the person who has testified to the Services of William Cannack above forty years who has lived in this County ever since and that he has Sustained the character of a Man of truth and honesty and that true faith and credit is due to his Statement
Jn. Rogers Justice of the Peace for Hawkins County - Tennessee
State of Tennessee.
I Stokely D. Mitchell Clerk of the Court of Pleas and quarter Sessions for the County of Hawkins in the State aforesaid do certify that John A. Rogers whose Signature appears above is an acting Justice of the Peace in and for the County of Hawkins aforesaid, and that due faith and credit should be given to his official acts as such.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto Subscribed my name and affixed the Seal of office in Rogersville the 2 d day of October 1832.
L.D. Mitchell CLK
Col. Peter Fulkerson a Respectable witness, aged Sixty Eight years was produced in court by William Cannack in aid of his application for a pension, who being first duly Sworn deposeth and saith. That he was

acquainted with the Said William Carmack before the Revolutionary war, resided in the same neighbourhood with him when the war took place - recollects that he heard of his enlistment in the army, about the time it took place, during the Revolution, knows that he was absent from the neighbourhood some considerable time, but how long this affiant does not now recollect, and said to be in the service of his country, remembers his return to the neighbourhood, after his services were ended, and often afterwards heard him tell of his fatigues and privations in the army in the Western wilderness; heard him speak of Col. Montgomery, and George Rogers Clarke; of the army, post and other forts in Illinois, and then believed, & still believes, he served under the said officers, as he has stated in his declaration this day made. This affiant further states that he has been acquainted with the said William Carmack personally and from character ever since his first acquaintance with him, and has always esteemed him as a man of truth and excellent character, and further this deponent saith not.
Sworn to & Subscribed in open court the 15 th day of October 1832 Teste J. W. S. Morrison DC }
Peter Fulkerson
John Fulkerson a respectable witness aged fifty eight years, produced by William Carmack, being duly sworn deponeth and saith, that he has been acquainted with the said William Carmack ever since he can remember any person until the present time. Although very young at the time, this deponent remembers to have heard of his absence in the army, during the war of the Revolution, remembers his return to his residence in Washington County, after his enlistment expired. Has often heard him tell of his services under Col. Montgomery and Clarke, and speak of the army and post forts in Illinois, and relate the different incidents of his campaign, and always believed, and still believes that he served in the army of the Revolution, as he has stated in his declaration this day made. This deponent further states that his acquaintance with the said William Carmack has been of the most intimate character, and he can say with confidence that his character for truth and integrity is not excelled by any man, and further saith not.
Sworn to and Subscribed in open court the 15 th day of October 1832. Teste J. W. S. Morrison DC }
John Fulkerson

And the court do hereby declare their opinion, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the court further certifies that it appears to them that Peter Fulkerson and John Fulkerson who has signed the preceding affidavits are resident in the county of Lee, and are credible persons, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I Alexander W. Mills clerk of the court of Lee county do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court, in the matter of the application of William Damack for a pension.
Alexander W Mills 6th Sept 3
Address to
Col. John D. Sharp
Sec C. House
Virginia
Virginia Sc
I Alexander W Mills Clerk of the Circuit Superior Court of Law and Chancery for the County of Lee in the State of Virginia do hereby Certify that I am the same person who subscribed the foregoing Certificate, and certified the foregoing record of the declaration of the said  for a pension . I do further Certify, that I certified the said record, and signed the said Certificate thereto annexed, as Clerk of the County Court of Lee, which Office I also hold, and that due faith and credit are due to all of my Official acts as such. And that the said Certificate is in due form of Law.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of Office this 29 th day of May 1833
Alexander del Mills K.C.

22,693.
William Carmack: Virginia.
Adm. in part 13 mo. 21 day. 1944. 574
s. i. not authenticated
Col. John D. Sharp, Agent: Lee County C.O. H 9 Lee City P.O. Box.

WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
May 8 th 1833
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: { ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of W m Garmack, of Lee Co., Va.
   Period when the service was rendered. Duration of the claimant's service. Rank of the claimant. Names and Rank of the Company officers under whom he served. Names and Rank of the General and Field officers. Battles in which the applicant was engaged. Country through which he marched. Place of abode when he entered the service, and age at the present period. Evidence by which the declaration is supported.   Years. Months. Days.     Enlisted July Aug 26 Pr. Capt. Jas. Shelby Lieut. Th. Wilson Ensign Gerard Williams. Col. John Montgomery Col. Geo. Rogers Clark. Washington County: from thence to Hawkins County: from thence to the Clinch country: from thence to Illinois. Aged 77 years. Living witnesses and traditional.  
I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J. L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.
I have added to the record accompanying this paper. The Certificate of the Clerk of the Superior Court of Law and Chancery, which I have no doubt will be more satisfactory than the Certificate of a Member of Congress. The Member from this District resides too far from this, to apply to on such occasions.
John D. Sharp

REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
 1. The Regular Troops.  2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.  3. Persons employed in the Naval service.  4. Indian Spies. 
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons, claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of } ss. County of }
On this day of personally appeared (a) before A. B. a resident (b) of in the county of and State, Territory or District of aged (c) years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d) , with and served in the (e) regiment of the line, under the following named officers:
[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. [This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I of the Court of do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this day of &c.
If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with , who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
• Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B.
who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, Clerk of the Court of do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this day of &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person

will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
 1. Where and in what year were you born?  2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?  3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?  4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?  5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.  6. { To a Soldier. } Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it? { To an Officer. } Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it? 
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that he answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons -one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditional evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:—For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____. For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months , is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
[k] The notes from [a] to [j] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule 20 [j] applies to continental troops only.
[l] This traditional evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[m] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[n] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
W. R. Turner

And they ordained all with a common decree, safe to let that day pass without solemnity, but to celebrate the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which in the Syrian tongue is called Adar, the day of Mordecheus' day.
39 For as it is hurtful to drink wine or water alone, and as wine mingled with water is pleasant, and delighteth the taste; even so, speech finely framed delighteth the ears of them that read the story. And here shall be an end.
James Carmack was Born the 10th Day of January 1769
The End of the APOCRYPHA.
William Carmack was Born the 10th day of January 1761.
Joseph Carmack was Born the 11th Day of April 1763.
Jane Carmack was Born June the 10th Day 1765.
Sarah Carmack was Born August 1767.
The original leaf of this bible record can be found in the pension application file of Henry Livingston R 6394, whose wife Susannah was the sister of William Carmack.

Polly Livingston was Born the 13 th Day of March in the year of our Lord 1793
Betsy Livingston was Born the 10 th day of September in the year of our Lord 1796
Sarah Livingston was Born the 22 nd day of February in the year of our Lord 1798
Susannah Livingston was Born the 30 th of December in the year A D 1799
Thomas Livingston was Born the 21 st of January in the year A D 1802
Peter Livingston was Born August the 13 th in the year A D 1806
Vance Livingston was Born the 19 th of February in the year A D 1808

May 6, 1936
William Carmack-S.9139 BA-J/AWF
The Quartermaster General Memorial Branch War Department Washington, D. C.
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your request for the Revolutionary War record of William Carmack who died September 24, 1851 near Bristol, Virginia-Tennessee.
The data furnished herein were obtained from papers on file in pension claim, S. 9139, based upon the service of William Carmack in the Revolutionary War.
He was born January 5, 1761, place not stated, nor are the names of his parents given.
William Carmack, while a resident of Washington County, Virginia, enlisted sometime in January, 1779, served as a private in Captain James Shelby's company, Colonel John Montgomery's Virginia regiment, marched to the Long Island of Holston, thence to the Chickamauga Towns and destroyed them, from there marched to the Kaskaskia River in Illinois, where they joined Colonel George Rogers Clark and marched to Vincennes on the Wabash River, where they remained until in June, 1780, then marched to the Iron banks on the Mississippi River, about six miles below the mouth of the Ohio River; and there  he was discharged there July 10, 1780.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 15, 1832, at which time he was a resident of Lee County, Virginia. He died September 24,

Bristol 1851, place not shown.
The papers in this claim contain no data relative to the family of the soldier, William Carmack.
The application for headstone for William Carmack is returned herewith. There was no correspondence enclosed.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator

Rev War
9139
INVALID.
File No. 9139 William Carmack Br Rev War
Act: June 7 th '32
Index: Vol. Set , Page 59
[Arrangement of 1870.]
Jan. 9, 1913. History to Luther M. Ambrose and Myrtle Wilson, Berea, Ky. Br.
1913, Jan. 20. History to Florence A. Rowland. Br.
1915, Apr. 12. History to Dudley Roberts Br.
1918 Feb. 23 Hist. to Margaret Sullivan awg.
1925 July 11 " " N. J. Ambrose
1928 Aug 8. " " Luther M. Ambrose awg.
1929 Jan. 19 Hist to Mrs.
Z. J. Hubbard awg.
1930 July 29 Hist to Mrs.
R. P. Carmack awg.

Luther Quibroe son of Isabell Carmack Quibroe daughter of Isaac Carmack son of Levi Carmack son of William Carmack who was born in England about 1735- He enlisted as a soldier of the Revolution from Lee County,

Virginia, and was a Private His pension began March 4, 1834 when he was 73 years of age. His annual allowance was $44.54 and he received in all the sum of $133.66 At this time he was a Virginia Continental
see name of Lender on list Luther M. Ambrose } taken from Berea, Ky. } envelope.

FINA JAN 13 1913 BUREAU OF PENSIONS History of Jan. 9 1913
Luther Ambrose son of Isabelle Ambrose Carmack daughter of Isaac Carmack son of Levi Carmack son of William Carmack who was born in England about 1735. He served in the Revolutionary war in rank of private. Commencement of pension March 4, 1834 age 73. His annual allowance was $44.54 and he received in all

#133.64 He was a Virginia Continental.
Reply to Luther Ambrose Berea
Box 11. Kentucky

(History for Jan. 9, 1913) for
Myrtle Wilson daughter of Ida Ambrose Wilson daughter of Isabelle Carmack Ambrose daughter of Isaac Carmack son of Levi Carmack son of William Carmack who was born in England about the year 1735. He served in the Revolutionary war in the rank of Private He was a Virginia

Continental. Commencement of Pension March 4, 1834, age 73. His annual allowance was $44.54 and he received in all $1336.46
Reply to
Miss Myrtle Wilson
Berea
% B.P. Ambrose
Kentucky

Myrtle Wilson daughter of Ida Ambrose Wilson daughter of Isabell Carmack Ambrose daughter of Isaac Carmack son of Levi Carmack son of William Carmack Who was born in England about 1735. He enlisted as a soldier of the Revolution from Lee County, Virginia and

was a private. His pension began March 4, 1834 when he was about 73 years of age.
His annual allowance was $44.54 and he received in all the sum of $133.66.
at this time he was a Virginia Continental.
Assumed that this letter is from Myrtle Wilson - envelope stamped Berea, Ky. Fr.

Lester Rowland, son of Florence Ambrose Rowland, daughter of Isabell Carmack Ambrose, daughter of Isaac Carmack, son of Levi Carmack, son of William Carmack,
who was born in England about 1736. He enlisted as a soldier of the Revolution from Lee county Virginia and was a private. His pension be- gan March 4, 1834, when he

was about seventy three years of age. His annual allowance was $44 4. 87 1/2 and he received in all, the sum of $133. 66.
At this time he was a Virginia Continental.
Florence A. Rowland Major Ky

1121
Glendy Roberts. son of Nellie Ambrose Roberts. daughter of Isabella Carmack Ambrose daughter of Isaac Carmack Son of Levi Carmack son of William Carmack who was born in England about 1735. He enlisted as a soldier of the revolution from Lee Co. Virginia and was a private.

His pension began March 4. 1834. When he was 73 years old.
His annual allowance was 44.54 and he recieved in all the sum of $133.66. At this time he was a Virginia Continental.
Please send certificate for "Sons of Revolution" as per data.
Cludley Roberts Hazel Green Ky.

Rev Sec 2
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855 Eastwood Avenue.
Oct 7th. 1918.
Commissioner of Pensions Washington, D. C.
Sir;--
About 1840 William Cormack was put on the pension roll from Lee Co. Va. having served in the Revolutionary War.
Will you be kind enough to give me all the facts known of his service and family as given in his application? He should have been born about 1763 I think.
Thanking you in advance, I remain,
Yours truly,
Margaret Sullivan 855 Eastwood Ave. Chicago.

McCallsburg Consolidated Schools
N. F. Ambrose, Supt.
#58 McCallsburg, Iowa.
May 3, 1925.
U.S. Bureau of Pensions, Washington, D.C.
Dear Sirs,
Please send me all data available in regard to the Revolutionary record of William Carmack of Washington Co. Va. Also of his wife and whether she drew a pension.
Yours truly,
N. F. Ambrose

State of Mississippi
Department of Education Jackson, Miss.
Jackson, Mississippi, April 12, 1928
Commissioner of Pensions Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir
Please tell me what you can about the Revolutionary war records of John Carmack , Cornelius Carmack and William Carmack .
The first two men were in the troops from Fincastle Virginia under Christian in the battle of Kings Mountain. They both received pensions after they were seventy years of age.
William Carmack's name is given simply as a member of the Virginia militia & I don't know whether he ever got a pension or not.
Thanking you very much
Mrs L. J. Hubbard 502 North Street Jackson, Miss.

THIS SIDE OF CARD IS FOR ADDRESS
Commissioner of Pensions Washington D. C.

Bristol Tenn. Dear Sir: R F D 2
Will you please inform me if whether you have on your list the name of William Car- mack of Washing- ton Co. Va. - who was in the Revolu- tionary War from this county - Truly Mrs. R. P. Carmack
JUN 20 1930

Request for Rev. War record of Wm. Carmack Record furnished May 6-1936 - application for headstone returned. no corresp- enclosed
cont
Rev 1812

WAR DEPARTMENT OFFICE OF THE QUARTERMASTER GENERAL WASHINGTON
4-29-1936
Memorandum for
The Surgeon General, Bureau of Navigation, Navy Department, Commandant, United States Coast Guard, Treasury Department, ✓ The Commissioner of Pensions, Interior Building, General Accounting Office, F Street, between 4th & 5th, N. W.
1. The attached application has been submitted to this office for Government headstone to be erected at the grave of the decedent named thereon. In order that the proper inscription may be placed on the stone it would be appreciated if your office would verify the name and service on the application, checking and making such corrections in red ink as may be necessary to show the correct spelling of the name and complete designation of the organizations.
2. In addition, please advise State from which decedent came. 1 m av

Rev. and 1812 Wars Section. Aug
August 8, 1928
Luther M. Ambrose Berea, Kentucky.
Sir:
I advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 9139, it appears that William Carmack was born January 5, 1761, place not stated.
He enlisted in Washington County, Virginia, in January 1779, and was a private in Captain James Shelby's Company, Colonels John Montgomery and George Rogers Clarke's Virginia Regiment, marched to the Chickamauga Towns, destroyed them, was guard at the Fort at Vincennes, and was discharged July 10, 1780.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 15, 1832, at which time he was living in Lee County, Virginia. He died September 24, 1851.
There are no data as to his family.
The above noted William Carmack is the only soldier of that name found on the Revolutionary War records of this bureau and the War of 1812 records of this bureau fail to

afford any information in regard to pension having been claimed on account of the services of any Levi Carmack.
Your letter has been forwarded to the proper division for reply relative to the records of the Mexican War soldiers- William and Isaac Carmack.
Respectfully,
WINFIELD SCOTT Commissioner.

Rev. & 1812 Wars Section AWF/ILL
July 29, 1930.
Mrs. R. P. Carmack Bristol, Tennessee.
Dear Madam:
You are advised that it appears from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 9139, that William Carmack was born January 5, 1761, place not stated.
He enlisted in Washington County, Virginia, in January, 1779, and was a private in Captain James Shelby's Company, Colonels John Montgomery's and George Rogers Clarke's Virginia Regiment, marched to the Chickamauga Towns, destroyed them, was guard at the Fort at Vincennes, and was discharged July 10, 1880.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 15, 1832, at which time he was living in Lee County, Virginia.
He died September 24, 1851.
There are no data as to his family.
Very truly yours,
E.W.MORGAN, Acting Commissioner.

January 19, 1929.
Mrs. F. J. Hubbard, 502 North Street, Jackson, Mississippi.
Madam:
I advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 9139, it appears that William Carmack was born January 5, 1761, place not stated.
He enlisted in Washington County, Virginia, in January 1779, and was a private in Captain James Shelby's Company, Colonels John Montgomery and George Rogers Clarke's Virginia Regiment, marched to the Chickamauga Towns, destroyed them, was guard at the Fort at Vincennes, and was discharged July 10, 1780.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 15, 1832, at which time he was living in Lee County, Virginia.
He died September 24, 1851.
There are no data as to his family.
Respectfully,
COPIED BY ADY
WINFIELD SCOTT, Commissioner.

Rev. and 1812 War Section.
July 1, 1925
N. F. Ambrose, Supt. McCallsburg Consolidated Schools McCallsburg, Iowa.
Sir:
I have to advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 9139, it appears that William Carmack was born January 5, 1761, place not stated.
He enlisted in Washington County, Virginia, in January 1779 and was a private in Captain James Shelby's Company, Colonels John Montgomery and George Rogers Clarke's Virginia Regiment, marched to the Chickamauga  Chickamauga Towns and destroyed them and was a guard at the Fort at Vincennes  Vincennes and was discharged July 10, 1780.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 15, 1832, while a resident of Lee County, Virginia. He died September 24, 1851. a B-
There is no data on file as to his family.
Respectfully,
Commissioner.