Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 17,036, for Josiah Ramsay, Virginia

SERVICE
NUMBER
Va.
Ramsey Josiah Ramsey or
S 17,036
CONTENTS
carded

Missouri
26.234
Isiah Ramsey
of [blank] in the State of [blank] No - who was a [blank] in the Company command by Captain [blank] of the [blank] command by Col Campbell in the [blank] Virginia line for [blank]
2 Yrs P $ 80.00
Inscribed on the Roll of Missouri - at the rate of 80 Dollars - Cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 12 th day of April and [blank] to 1834 Hon R. M. Johnson H.R.
Arrears to the 4th of March 32 240.00 Semi-ann. allowance ending 1 st Sept - 40.00
$ 280.00
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by J. P. Sprague Clerk Book C - Vol. 8 - Page 57

State of Missouri Callaway County
On this his 15 th day of February 1834
Personally appeared before me one of the Judges of the County Court of Callaway County Josiah Ramsay a resident of the County and State of Missouri aged (as near as can be ascertained) about eighty one years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed
June the 7 th 1832
That before he was old enough to have a distinct recollection of things he was taken prisoner by the Shawnee Indians, and remained with them a number of years and when he was restored by treaty he was claimed by a family whose name he bears, but he has long known him well satisfied and knows well that he was not one of the family that claimed him, and owing to the above circumstance he cannot state certainly his age or the place where born, but believes he was born on Goose Creek in the State of Virginia sometime between the years 1750 & 1755. he has no record of his age, he is told that when Genl. Braddock was defeated in the year 1755. and he knows he must have been born before that period as he was old enough and well recollects during the French occupying the Ohio when Pittsburgh was taken he being then a prisoner with the Indians.
He was living near the Long Island on Holston, and is told and believes the battle of the Monocawa was fought in the fall of the year 1774. (if so) he served as a spy from the

Spring of the year 1775 until fall. to state the precise day of commencing this service or the precise day when it ceased for the year is at this late period of time impossible, but he will most positively state that in the years 1775, 1776, 1777, 1778, 1779, & 1780, he was constantly engaged as a Spy from early in the Spring until fall and as he is told he must fix some certain period in each year, he will state that he has no hesitation in saying that he was regularly and steadily engaged each year from the first of May until the first of November he mentions these periods in order to be certain he is within the time but he will recollect of being out as a Spy as early as March, & April but those at all acquainted with Indian warfare will know that the only time when the frontiers had any peace was a few months in the winter season, The duty he performed in the above years was under the orders of Colonels Christy, Shelby, & Campbell sometimes the one and sometimes another but which first or which last he is unable to say, in the above period of time he states he went several campaigns against the Cherokee Indians and when on such campaigns he always acted as a Spy consequently was in no particular Captain's company, he states he went on campaigns under Christy, Campbell, Shelby, and Severs all which were said to be Colonels, except Severs and he does not know his grade, he has since been Governor of the State of Kentucky he states that when he acted as a Spy he sometimes had but one man with him and sometimes as many as four he says he could mention several battles he was in.

5 during the years above mentioned and a great many small engagements but is told that it is unnecessary as he is told there is but few of them (if any) that is mentioned in History and all those that he knows of who participated with him in those severe times of trial have before this gone where they will be neither trouble or expense to the Government they laboured so hard to establish. He states that when the Panamooes to place to go to Kings Mountain he met at the time and place appointed in order to go, but was ordered by Col o Campbell to return and continue his occupation as a spy on the frontier as it was then greatly exposed to the depredations of the Indians, which Green the obeyed, and faithfully performed his duty.
He states that from great bodily infirmity and his mind consequently impaired having been confined to his room and almost constantly to his bed for the last eight or nine years, and also his being entirely illiterate he cannot pretend to give an accurate detailed account of his services but will again repeat that the periods herein before stated is certainly less than the time he was actually employed. He states that he has no recollection that any regular written discharge was ever given to him or those that served with him and feels confident he never got one & that he has no documentary evidence of his services and from the great length of time he knows of no person now living who can testify to his services.
He states that he never heard any compensation for his services but was told and promised at the time that

he should have five Shillings Virginian money per day that being the pay (as was said) of Spies, he never had any commission during the year of 80 and concluded he was acting as a private
He states that he has never been any compensation for his services and he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state to his knowledge He states that all the services he performed in the years herein before mentioned were as Spies, that he did not leave any of the time in garrison and that during the time he was there employed he was not engaged in any civil pursuit but was constantly out except when he came in for provision or to bring word of the approach of the Indians which he frequently did, He states that in the beginning of the winter 1780 he removed from the Holston Country (where the services herein before mentioned were performed) to Kentucky & in the fall of 1781 he removed to Tennessee near where Nashville now is and he states that in the summer of 1782 and 1783, he performed several tours of duty by order and under the command of Genl. James Robertson the time now not recollected, but most certainly three months during the two years of 82
Yrs
Joseph Ramsey
here the undersigned John S. Ferguson V.D.M. to Scott residing in Callaway county and state of Missouri hereby certify that we are now and have been for many years well acquainted with Joseph Ramsey who hath subscribed and sworn to the above declaration. That we

Further him to be at least eighty years of age that he has been a member in the Methodist Church for many years that he is respected and beloved in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a soldier as set forth in the above declaration and that we confidently concur in that opinion
Sworn to and subscribed this day and year herein before written
John S. Ferguson
Wm. B. Scott
and I the said Judge do hereby declare my opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the Interrogatories prescribed by the war de- partment, that the above applicant was a spy in the insurrection as set forth by him and I do further certify that John S. Ferguson & Wm. B. Scott who have signed the preceding certificate are residents of Callaway County & State of Missouri and that they are credible persons and that their statements are entitled to credit and I do further certify that from the statements of the above named witnesses and from my own knowledge there is no clergyman living in the immediate vicinity of the above applicant and that he the said applicant from bodily infir- -mity is wholly and entirely unable to attend at the courthouse of the County in which he resides and I do further certify that I have every confidence that the statements of said applicant is true to the best of his recollection and I also certify that I subscribed the name of

The said Josiah Ramsay to the above application at his request and in his presence
John Conger Judge of the county court for Callaway county
I William W. Redman a clergyman residing in Howard County State of Missouri do hereby certify that I am well acquainted with Josiah Ramsay who has subscribed and sworn to the foregoing declaration and amend- ment thereto, that I believe him to be eighty years of age, that he is reputed and believed in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that I concur in that opinion Sworn to and subscribed W. W. Redman the day and date Aforesaid
State of Missouri.
I, Daniel Dunklin, Governor of the State aforesaid, do hereby certify that John Conger whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument of writing, was, on the 15th day of February, A. D. 1834, a Justice of the County Court of the County of Callaway, State aforesaid, duly Commissioned & qual- ified, & that full faith and credit are due to all his official attestations.
In testimony whereof I have here- unto set my hand and caused the great seal of State to be af- fixed, at the City of Jefferson, the 18th day of February, A. D. 1834.
By the Governor Danl. Dunklin Thos. F. Edwards Secy of State State aforesaid.

Sir,
City of Jefferson State of Missouri 4 th March 1834
I hope you will exercise the liberty, a stranger takes in sending the enclosed papers to your care and attention, I am informed to this comes from your well established character for attention to business, and believing you much more capable to attend to business of this kind successfully than any other person now at the City, must be my apology for thus troubling you
You will see from the correspondence which has already taken place that there is the war office where business it is to attend to these things requires what I think to be an impossibility is it possible that any honest and conscientious man after a lapse of more than fifty years could be expected to tell with certainty the year, month, and day of the month he was on duty, this is utterly impossible, the more minute any man is on these points the more certain (I think) his statement is not true — you are too well acquainted with this kind of business not to know, that but few if any of those men who will state nothing but the truth will be able to come up to the requirements of the department consequently most of such will be rejected, and those who dare but little if any business, but who have consciences sufficiently flexible to come up to the mark, will get the pay — I am old enough say say to know that if any man in the united states now alive is entitled to pay under the act of 1831, my opinion is that more, but whether he has yet come up to all they may require time must show, Tho I feel confident if we shall be so fortunate as to meet with your friendly aid, that his pay will be allowed
I have enclosed all the papers as they have been sent backwards and forwards several times by which

you will be able to see all that has been said or done on the subject, and what one set of papers may lack I think will be supplied by the other
As it may never be in my power to make you a suitable return for any trouble you may be at in this business, but be assured if it ever should be any part of life you may show us will be returned with gratitude
Will you be so good as to acknowledge the receipt of the inclosures and what will probably be their fate
Your friend and O. H. H. S. C.
Jonathan Ramsay

August 6, 1937.
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Mrs. Sam Maddux Black Hawk Colorado
BA-3/ady aw Josiah Ramsey S.17036
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter relative to Josiah Ramsey, a soldier of the Revolutionary War.
The data contained herein were obtained from the papers on file in the Revolutionary War claim for pension, S.17036, based upon the military service of Josiah Ramsey in that war.
Josiah Ramsey was born between 1780 and 1785 on Goose Creek, Virginia. When very young he was captured by the Shawnee Indians and remained with them a number of years until restored by treaty and claimed by a family whose name he lost but believed he did not belong to said family.
While living near the Long Island on the Holston River he served as Indian Spy from the spring of 1775 for six months each year until the fall of 1780 under Colonels Christy, Shelby, Campbell, and Sevier, was in several battles and a great many small engagements, no names stated. In the winter of 1780 he moved to Kentucky, place not stated, and in the fall of 1781 he moved to Tennessee, near what was later called Nashville, and in the summer of 1782 and 1783 he served several tours, amounting to three months in all, under General James Robertson.
He was allowed pension on his application executed February 15, 1834, at which time he was a resident of Callaway County, Missouri.
In 1834 soldier's son, Jonathan Ramsey, was fifty-nine years old, and a resident of Jefferson City, Missouri. There are no further family data.
This is the record of the only Josiah Ramsey that is found on the Revolutionary War records of this office, all spellings of the names searched.
Very truly yours
A. D. MILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator
Date of death not on QB.

17.036 INVALID.
File No. 17.036
Josiah Ramsey Rev Rev Mr
Act: June 7" 82
Index:—Vol. 1 , Page 310
[Arrangement of 1870.]
1920. Mar. 17 Hist. to Mrs. W. A. Dallmeyer.
1921 Hist to Miss Milton Welsh. Eu.
1924 Oct 27. Hist. to
Mrs. J. M. Holloway
See let in cl., w. 291,
John Holloway. n.m.
1937 Aug 6. Hist. to Mrs. Sam Maddux

21807 Josiah Damray
For officer, should accompany the paper.
In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, bearing the official character and signature of the officer, should be attached to the certificate.
In every case of appeal of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly filed on the same day of appeal, there should be a place of safe or secure deposit, the copy of which must be filed with the clerk of the court, and every instance where the certifying officer who certifies the paper is not a member of congress, the certificate should be filed with the clerk of the court.
Every paper filed in the appellate court, should be accompanied by a certificate of the clerk of the court, certifying that the same has been filed in the office of the clerk, and that the same is a true and correct copy of the original, and that the same has been filed in the office of the clerk, and that the same is a true and correct copy of the original, and that the same has been filed in the office of the clerk, and that the same is a true and correct copy of the original.
FOURTH. VII. Clerk of court.
In every case of appeal, the appellant must file with the clerk of the court a certificate of the clerk of the court, certifying that the same has been filed in the office of the clerk, and that the same is a true and correct copy of the original, and that the same has been filed in the office of the clerk, and that the same is a true and correct copy of the original, and that the same has been filed in the office of the clerk, and that the same is a true and correct copy of the original. It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for filing each class of papers.

B R I E F objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Isaac Ramsay which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes
II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? yes
III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so?
IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? Not distinctly
V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? no
VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? yes
VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? yes
VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? The judge has
IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? The governor of the state has
X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? yes - the the seal of Missouri

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? No
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? yes
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had?
XIV. † If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service?
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses?
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct?
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?
XVI. † Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? yes
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? yes
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words: "Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
†QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
†QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

War Department Pension Office 27 th July 1833
Sir
The Amended declaration of Josiah Ramsey does not obviate all the difficulties for the which the Papers were originally returned. — It will be necessary for him to state the different hours, the length of each, and the officers under whom he served from the 15 th April 1775. up to the 3 rd September 1783. being the period of the commencement and termination of the War of the Revolution.
I am Sir
Very Respectfully
Your obed Servt
J. L. Edwards
R. A. Carring Esq De Hermon City Missouri. —

Send the letter with the case v
Bluff

21. 807
Josiah Ramsey, Missouri
Returned
Adm 2 years — $80
Hon R. M. Johnson As of Rev R. A. Ewing Esq Jefferson City Missouri

WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
27 July 1833.
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: { ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of
   Period when the service was rendered. Duration of the claimant's service. Rank of the claimant. Names and rank of the Field officers under whom he served. Age at present, and place of abode when he entered the service. Proof by which the declaration is supported.   Years. Months. Days.              
I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J. L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.

REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c., Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of private armed vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
 1. The Regular Troops.  2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.  3. Persons employed in the Naval Service.  4. Indian Spies. 
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will, in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of } ss. County of }
On this day of personally appeared (a) before A. B. a resident (b) of in the county of and State, Territory or District of aged (c) years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d), with and served in the (e) regiment of the line, under the following named officers:
[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I of the Court of do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this day of &c.
If, on examination of the proper record, the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with , who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the days and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B. who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, Clerk of the Court of do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this day of &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration, (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his

alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
 1. Where and in what year were you born?  2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?  3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?  4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?  5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services. 
6. { To a Soldier. } Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given, and what has become of it? { To an Officer. } Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?
 7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution. 
The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons—one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify to the character and standing of other persons giving such certificates.
The traditional evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the inquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court, by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the Peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:—For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____. For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months , is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
□ The notes from [a] to [i] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[k] This traditional evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[l] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[m] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.

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To the Honorable Commissioner of Pensions - Washington D.C.
Dear Sir:
Kindly give me the record of Josiah Ramsay's Pension. It was granted to him just before he died, and he probably had one payment after it was granted, and his death occurred about 1834 or '35 at his son, Gen. Ramsay's in Callaway Co. Missouri.

He was born in 1755 - Allegheny Co. Va. In 1780 removed with family to Kentucky; in the fall of 1781 he moved to Eaton's Station, two miles from Nashville, Tenn. He was in Cold Water campaign, and was Major of militia when residing in Sevier Co. (now Robertson Co.) before Tennessee was a state. His father was Thomas Ramsey.
I shall appreciate the information very much. Sincerely
(Mrs. W. A.) Oliver Ewing Dallinger 604 E. Main St. Jefferson City, Mo.

Black Hawk, Colo.
July 24 1937
Veterans Bureau Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir - Will you please furnish me the Revolutionary war record of Josiah Pausley , of Fincastle Co. Va.
Very truly,
Mrs. Sam Maddux

17th Rev.
Kansas City Chapter National Society United States Daughters of 1812
Regent
MRS. MILTON WELSH 716 Mississippi Street Liberty, Mo.
1st Vice-Regent
MRS. CHARLES S. KEITH Brookside Hotel
2nd Vice-Regent
MRS. JAMES D. FLEMING Marshall, Mo.
3rd Vice-Regent
MRS. OTTO LESLIE CASTLE 3701 Madison Avenue
Secretary
MRS. ANDREW BUCHANAN 3744 Washington Street
Registrar
MRS. BEVERLY C. PLATT 37th Street and Warwick Boulevard
Treasurer
MRS. JOHN WOOLFOLK 37th Street and Warwick Boulevard
Historian
MRS. C. C. ALLEN 3846 Charlotte Street
United States Pension Commissioner: Pension Office, Washington D. C.
Dear Sir -
I am very anxious to have the record of "Joshiah Ramey" who served in the Rev. with State troops from Virginia. it is said that he drew a pension. I will appreciate it very much if you can send me some data concerning him.
Sincerely Yours -
Mrs. Milton -
R. H. Welsh -

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October 27, 1924.
Mrs. J. M. Holloway, 1411 Duncan Ave., Chattanooga, TENN.
Madam:
I have to advise you that from the papers in Revolutionary War pension claim, S.17036, it appears that Josiah Ramsay (pensioned as Ramsey) was born between 1750 and 1755 on Goose Creek, Virginia. When very young he was captured by the Shawnee Indians and remained with them a number of years until restored by treaty and claimed by a family whose name he bears but believes he did not belong to said family.
While living near the Long Island on the Holston River he served as an Indian Spy from the spring of 1775 for 6 months each year until the fall of 1780 under Colonels Christy, Shelby, Campbell and Sevier and was in several battles and a great many small engagements, no names stated. Having moved to Tennessee, near where Nashville now is, in the summer of 1782 and 1783 he served several tours, amounting in all to 3 months, under General James Robertson.
He was allowed pension on his application executed

REVOLUTIONARY WAR February 15, 1834, while a resident of Callaway County, Missouri,
In 1834 his son, Jonathan, was 59 years of age and a resident of Jefferson City, Missouri. There is no further data on file as to family.
Respectfully,
Commissioner.

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS.
Washington, D. C., _____, 19_____
In reply to your request of _____, received _____ for a statement of the military history of Josiah Ramsey or Ramsay a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau.
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     Spring 1775 to Fall 1780 for 6 mos each year Indian spy Christy Shelby Campbell Sevier Gen James Robertson Va.   1782-1783 3 mos. Indian spy  
Battles engaged in, Not stated.
Residence of soldier at enlistment, near the long island on the Holston River
Date of application for pension, Feb. 15, 1834. His ch. al.
Residence at date of application, Ballaway Co. Mo.
Age at date of application, _____
Remarks: Sol. thinks he was born bet. 1750 & 1755 near Goose Creek Va. Was captured by Shawnee Inds. when very young & was with them a number of years. Restored by treaty & claimed by family whose name he bears, but believes he did not belong to said family. His son Jonathan resided in Jefferson Mo. in 1834. No other data on file as to family.
Respectfully,
Commissioner.