Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 3,627, for John Payne, Virginia

SERVICE
NUMBER
Va.
Payne John
S 3627
CONTENTS
carded.

3352
West Tennessee
John Payne
of Sumner in the State of Tennessee who was a Private in the Company commanded by Captain Scruggs of the Regt commanded by Col. Stevens in the Virginia line for 6 months from 1776
Inscribed on the Roll of West Tennessee at the rate of 20 - Dollars - Cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 19 th day of Oct r 1832 and to John Turner Gullatin, Tenn.
Arrears to 4th of Sept 1832 30 Pension allowance ending 4 Mar 33 10
$40.00
{ Revolutionary Claim, { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by Nathan Rice Clerk, Book D Vol. 9 Page 157
order to pay. See letter to P. A. J. Peabody - Pension Agent & D. H. Farnan, June 5, 1837.
Date of birth not on A. B.

John Payne
Tennessee
W 7169.
for 1776 points
6 months $20.
if on War Roll admit

BRIEF in the case of  John Payne  of Sumner County in the State of Tennessee  (Act 7th June, 1832.)
1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Court 2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity? 3. How old is he? 77 Years 4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed.
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days.     July 9 In 1776 Enlisted on the 9th day of July 6 2 Private Gen. Col Stevens or Stephens Major Barker Capt Goff & Crump Lt Fullop Ensign Arthur Arthur 5 Regiment Va Line  
5. In what battles was he engaged? — 6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Bedford County Virginia 7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Traditional on Roll 8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect?
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
Examining Clerk.

7169.

Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress, passed June 7 th 1832.
State of Tennessee ) On this 21 st day of August 1832, personally Sumner County ) appeared in open Court, before the Justices of the County Court of Sumner, now sitting, John Payne, a resi- dent in the County and State aforesaid, aged seventy years seven who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following Declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress, passed 7 th of June 1832. That he enlisted in Bedford County, Virginia, for two years, on the 9 th of February 1876 under Capt. Gropf Seitz, was attached to the 5 th Regiment of the Virginia Line, commanded by Col. at Staunton Stearns, marched to Portsmouth in Virginia, and remained there and in its vicinity until the 11 th of August when Applicant, who had been in such bad health, that he had been incapable of performing duty, was dis- charged by Capt. Seitz by permission of Col. Stearns upon furlough until he should recover and be able to perform duty, when he was again to return to his Company. Applicant continued unable to do duty for a long after the two years expired. After Capt. Seitz had served out his term of two years and returned home, he gave Appli- cant a full and complete discharge. Appli- cant will here state all of his Officers, Col. Stearns, or Stearns's son, Majr. Isaiah Parker Village - Parker, Capt. Gropf Seitz, 1 st Lieut. John Talbot, 2 nd Lieut. Joseph Arly & Ensign Barney Arthur, then 4 th Regi- ment of the Virginia Line was, at stationed at Portsmouth the Officers not now recalled, except Capt. Barent H. Morton. Then here by Applicant has either lost or mislaid his Furlough & Discharge; he has no documentary evidence of his services; nor does he know of any person living, whose tes- timony he can procure by whom he can prove his services.

He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension-Roll of any Agency in any State.
Sworn to and subscribed, the day and year aforesaid. in open Court
A. H. Douglass Clerk
John his + Payne mark
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion that the above named Applicant was a Revolution-ary Soldier, and served as he states.
I, A. H. Douglass, Clerk of the County Court of Sum-mer, do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the Original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of John Payne for a Pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of Office, this 25 th day of August A. D. 1832 —
A. H. Douglass Clerk

August 15, 1936
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Amy Gretchen Edwards 6602 Bartmer Avenue University City, Missouri
JOHN PAYNE S. 3627 BA-J/MLB
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letters in which you state that you are interested in ancestors, a John Payne who resided in Bedford County, Virginia, in 1799, wife Sarah, and whose daughter, Elizabeth, married James Moorman; you state that one John Payne received military bounty land Warrant No. 2151, for two hundred acres, issued December 19, 1783, for services in the Virginia Continental Line, said warrant having been located in "Virginia Military District, Ohio", patented to Samuel Bell, April 26, 1854, and that William Payne, of Virginia, received such a warrant, No. 3810, for four thousand acres, in 1785, and you desire to know where the four thousand acres were located, and whether or not any John Payne ever occupied his land, or whether Samuel Bell was the occupant. You further request information regarding Isaac Dale, who served in the Revolution or subsequent Indian Wars and died in Barren County, Kentucky, his will probated in 1820.
There is no claim for pension on file based upon service in the Revolutionary War, or the Indian Wars immediately succeeding the Revolution, of an Isaac Dale. (It re. to Isaac Dale returned)
The land which you state was granted William Payne and John Payne was possibly granted by the State of Virginia. In some instances, land of that description is recorded in the General Land Office, this city. Information in regard to it and the names of persons who received it, may be obtained by addressing the Commissioner of that office.
The pension record has been found of one John Payne, of Bedford County, Virginia. This office cannot determine whether or not this is the one in which you are interested. His record follows as found in pension claim, S. 3627, based upon service in the Revolutionary War.
The date and place of birth and names of the parents of John Payne are not shown.

John Payne enlisted in Bedford County, Virginia, February 9, 1776, for two years, served as private in Captain Gross Scruggs' company, Colonel Stephen's or Stephenson's Virginia regiment, and was furloughed August 11, 1776, on account of illness, but with the understanding that when he recovered he was to return to his company. He did not return to duty as the term for which he enlisted expired before his recovery.
The soldier was allowed pension on his application executed August 21, 1832, at which time he was aged seventy-seven years and a resident of Sumner County, Tennessee.
There are no family data in the claim.
In order to obtain date of last payment of pension, the name and address of person paid and possibly the date of death of this soldier, you should write to the Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, this city, and cite the following:
John Payns Certificate #3352 Issued December 19, 1832 Rate, $20 per annum Commenced March 4, 1831 Act June 7, 1832 West Tennessee Agency.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator

May the 25 th 1837.
J. L. Edwards Esq.
By the request of Mr John Payne, in clerk I send you his pension papers and certificate of Trinity, he informs me that you be presented to the agency for Middle Tennessee your letter under date of Nov 28 th 1836: directing the agency to pay him on the income due there, he further states that he presented said papers to the agency on the 9 th this instant, and the said agency is said to pay. Saying that the papers should of been presented on March last He states, he has not drawn any pension since the 1 st of Sept. 1834 — hoping that your attention will be directed to this matter with despatch directing your letter to Shelby P.O. Robertson county Tennessee —
Yours very Respectfully J. H. McMinn
J. L. Edwards Commissioner of Pensions

BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of John Payne which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? Yes II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? Yes III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? Yes V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? Yes VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? Yes VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? Yes VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? Yes IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? Yes X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? Yes

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? Yes XIV. † If the applicant has produced a witness or witnesses as to his service, has the magistrate who administered the oath certified that he, she, or they are persons of credibility? Has the official character and signature of the magistrate been certified by the proper officer under his seal of office? XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? XVI. ‡ Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? Yes XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
“Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades: For _____ year _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____. For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension.”

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which the applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable.
QUERE XIV.  Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
QUERE XVI.  Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticated the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the end of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.

Rev. Wm
3624
INVALID.
File No. 3627
John Payne Port Royal Line
Act: June 7, 1832
Index:—Vol. 28 , Page 286
[Arrangement of 1870.]

6602 Bartmer Ave., University City, Mo.,
August 8, 1936
The Administrator of Veterans' Affairs Washington, D.C.
Sir:
I am seeking information regarding the ancestors of one John Payne who lived in Bedford County in 1799, and whose wife was named Sara Payne, and whose daughter Elizabeth, married James Moorman on September 5, 1799 (year uncertain). I don't know whether this particular John Payne served in the Revolutionary War, or not, but if your records indicate that he did, will you please so indicate.
of August 20 A William Payne of Virginia received military bounty land warrant No. 3810 for 4000 acres, on April 18, 1785. Would like to know where this land was located, and any other information which would be likely to be of genealogical value.
need not note this one The grandfather of this William Payne was one John Payne who died in 1760.
I do not know whether the man referred to in this paragraph (who was also named John Payne ) was any relation to the John Payne referred to in the first paragraph, but military bounty land warrant No. 2151 for 200 acres, was issued December 19, 1783 to a John Payne in consideration of his services as a soldier in the Virginia Continental Line, Revolutionary War. The warrant was located on lands identified as Survey No. 1233 in Highland County within the "Virginia Military District, Ohio." My information further states that the tract "was patented to Samuel Bell, April 26, 1854," patent being recorded in Vol. 19, pages 273 and 274. Does that mean that the man to whom the warrant was issued never actually occupied the land, or claimed it? It seems that an affidavit executed in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, March 8, 1852, stated that this particular John Payne left at his death three children, Thomas, James and Polly, who married James B. Wheeler. Any further information you can give me will be appreciated.
Awaiting your reply with a great deal of interest,
Sincerely
Amy Gretchen Edwards
AMY GRETCHEN EDWARDS 6602 Bartmer Avenue University City, Missouri

S. H. Turner, June 5, 1837 Y. C.
Record V. 42) page 257

War Department, Pension Office, June 5, 1837.
Sir,
The papers of John Payne, which are herewith enclosed, are defective. Another signature  witness is wanted other than the magistrate to the signature of the pensioner who makes his mark. And the clerk of Sumner County, Tennessee, must certify as to the official character & signature of the magistrate by whom the oath of identity was administered. I have directed the Pension Agent to pay the amount due, on the production of the papers  papers thus attested, and the other necessary vouchers.
J. H. Turner, Esq. Maloy's P. Office, Robertson county, Tennessee

Union Bank of Tennessee Nashville 14 th Nov r 1836
J. L. Edwards Esq.
Dear Sir
At the request of Mr. John Payne a Revolutionary Pensioner of the 7 th June 1832 I herewith enclose you his Pension Voucher including his certificate for your inspection, he is entitled to two years (say from the 4 th Sept. 1834 to the 4 th Sept. 1836) pay which requires your sanction before he can be paid at this Office. Please to address him to Malory's Post Office Robertson County Tennessee and much oblige Sir
Yr Ob t Serv t
John M Bass P.A. By S. Cantrell