Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 5982, for James Kip, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Kip James
R 5982
CONTENTS

22615
James Kips Kip Montgomery co. New York
§
John V. Berry Shadown New York

WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
May 30 ————— 1833
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: { ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of James Kip, Montgomery co. N.Y.
   Period when the service was required. Duration of the claimant's service. Rank of the claimant. Names and Rank of the Company officers under whom he served. Names and Rank of the General and Field officers. Battles in which the applicant was engaged. Country through which he marched. Place of abode when he entered the service, and age at the present period. Evidence by which the declaration is supported.   Years. Months. Days.     Volunteer 1777 6 artillery Col. Elyon Col. Raddock Rhokille Fishkill 87 New York city tradition witnesses three years service.  
I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J. L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.
We think Strange, that you cannot find his name at your department, you made a mistake in spelling his name it is Kip instead of Kips:

REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
 1. The Regular Troops.  2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.  3. Persons employed in the Naval service.  4. Indian Spies. 
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons, claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of } ss. County of }
On this _____ day of _____ personally appeared (a) before A. B. a resident (b) of _____ in the county of _____ and State, Territory or District of _____ aged (c) _____ years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d) _____, with _____ and served in the _____ (e) regiment of the _____ line, under the following named officers:
[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. [This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of _____
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I _____ of the Court of _____ do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of _____ for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this _____ day of _____ &c.
If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the _____ and C. D. residing in (the same) _____ hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with _____, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be _____ years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B. _____ who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the _____ and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the _____ and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, _____ Clerk of the Court of _____ do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of _____ for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this _____ day of _____ &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person

will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
 1. Where and in what year were you born?  2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?  3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?  4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?  5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.  6. { To a Soldier. } Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it? { To an Officer. } Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it? 
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that he answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons -one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditional evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:—For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months , is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the paper.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. (The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.)
[k] The notes from [a] to [i] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule [j] applies to continental troops only.
[l] This traditional evidence is indispensable in militia cases. Answered
[m] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
J. B. Brant

August 9, 1939.
B. M. Kip Canton New York.
BA-J/MSP/III James Kip R. 5982
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter in which you state that the Jacobus (James) Kip in whom you are interested was born December 20, 1750 in New York City, married March 10, 1774, Cornelia Ryckman, served in the Revolutionary War from New York City or from Dutchess or Orange County, New York, and died November 19, 1834 in Johnstown, New York, and that an application for pension was made about 1853, on account of his Revolutionary War service.
The Revolutionary War records of this office show that James Kip of Montgomery County, New York, made an application for pension under the Act of Congress approved June 7, 1832, at which time he was aged eighty-one years, and that in his application it was stated that when he entered service as a volunteer in 1777, he was a resident of New York City, that he served six years as an artificer at Peekskill and Fishkill, a part of his service being under Colonels Chevers and Radeck. It is shown further that his claim for pension was not allowed as the kind of service rendered by him was not provided for in the Act of Congress under which he applied.
Possibly meant for Charles & Reader.
In 1854, John L. Kip of Hannibal, Orange County, New York, renewed the claim for pension for service of his father, James Kip, in the Revolutionary War. Only fragments of correspondence in regard to that claim remain on file in this office, as the application papers of James Kip and those of his son, John L. Kip, were removed from the files in 1856, to be used by Congressional Committees in the effort to obtain the pension, which, however, was never granted, because of the nature of the service rendered by said James.
In the bits of correspondence left on file, it was stated

that James Kip was subjected to many sacrifices and losses during the Revolutionary War. Because of the fears of his wife, whose name is not shown, at the time the British took possession of New York, he fled from his well-furnished home on Broadway, the next block south of the Metropolitan Hotel, and when the British Army evacuated New York City, this house which had been occupied by them, was destitute of furnishings. It was stated further that James Kip was instrumental in intercepting a plan of the British to capture Colonel Steuben at Fishkill, for which service General Washington gave him a lieutenant's commission. It was stated further, that James Kip owned property in Johnstown, New York,
John L. Kip referred to his sister, but did not give her name.
A further search of the records shows that James Kip of Montgomery County, New York, in 1832, made affidavit in that year in support of the claim for pension (S. 21462) of a John Ryckman, of Johnstown, Montgomery County, New York. James Kip stated that John Ryckman "in the summer of 1776, came to the armory and worked with him until the next summer of 1778 and was gone about eight months and then returned to the armory where he remained and worked with this deponent (meaning Kip) in the armory in repairing and making implements of war", and that he (Ryckman) "did serve in the armory the space and term of three years".
This office has no further information in regard to James Kip.
Should this not be the record in which you are interested, another search of the records will be made in your behalf.
Very truly yours,
A. D. MILLER, Executive Assistant to the Administrator.

Rev. 5952
Act 7. June 1832
Suspended James Kip
See letter to
John V. Berry Johnstown
N. York
26. Oct. 1833
Let H. G. Smith 22 Oct 34
Elmer Mart 3. 1854 Rev. Isaac Moore May 23 1856

Letter of Oct 26 1833 state that Clannan failed to produce any evidence of his services.
J Shapleigh Oct 18/95

Reg. Clam - R. 5983 . James Kip - Kipp. or Jacobus He was born 1752 in Rhinebeck - Dutches Co. N. Y. - Applied from there - Always lived there - Son - David J. or (J.) Kipp living in Rhinebeck in 1852.

Hon J. Mason May 23/56

Pison Office May 23, 1836
Sir:
Agreeably to your request, I enclose herewith, the papers, in the case of James Ripp, of New York, an applicant for a revolutionary pension under the act of 7 June 1832.
Wm Lloyd Brown H on Com Rev Pensions
Rev

House of Representatives
Committee room
Revolutionary Pensions
May 20 th 1856
Hon d T. M c Cllelland
Secretary of Interior
You are respectfully requested to furnish for the use of the Committee on Revolutionary pensions the papers and Evidence on file in the pension office in the of the heirs claims of James Kipp under the act of June 7 th 1832, or any other act under which his application was made - and whose application was made from the state of New York.
Very resp y
Your obed t serv t
Jacob Broom
Chairm n Comm ee

John L. Kepp To S. letter A. J. M c Carthy
Hannibal 10 March 1856
On the subject of pension for the services of James Kepp
James Kepp Resident of Hannibal Mo. 1856
1982

Hannibal March 10. 1856.
Dear J. Z. M c Carty - Dr Sir
The Petition I sent you asking for a pension for the services of James Kip, and which you had the goodness to present to the House of Representatives on the 11 th Inst. contained the history of his services, and reference to the evidences in the pension office so fully and clearly that I am somewhat at a loss what more I can add by way of explanation. - James Kip in his declaration refers to a number of aged and respectable men who were then living in Johnstown, and who he says could testify as to their opinion of his having been a soldier of the Revolution; Several did so testify, and among them the Rev d Venerable Abraham Van Thorne; and I have never heard of a man who had the least doubt of it, excepting the Com ee of Pensions,
One of those to whom he refers was Thomas Simmons, for several years a member of Congress, and Frederick his brother; A very interesting history of these men is contained in the "Life of Brant," - Also in a history written by Mr c Hammonds - They were near neighbors of my father and I was well acquainted with them, and also with the others to whom he refers and with the witnesses who testified as to his services, and I know them to be men of the highest respectability. - And all the witnesses whose affidavits have been forwarded are persons of the strictest veracity,
* In regard to the case of Gen l Steuben, the facts were these the British were about 12 miles from Fishkill over the hills or mountains and Gen l Washington had an Army at Newburgh, - The British Gen l sent a Sergeant and 12 men to Fishkill for the purpose of getting possession of the person of Gen l Steuben by stratagem and carrying him a captive to the British Army, - These men came on horseback one or two at a time but all in about two days, and reported themselves to be deserters from the British Army, - They all put up at a

Public house kept by a widow whose name I have forgotten, — Genl. Steuben and James Kip occupied separate rooms in the house of Mr. Swart or Swarthout, whose family also occupied a part of the house, — It was separated from the public house by a small common or open yard, — In the rear of the house was an Orchard in which the aids of Genl. Steuben had a tent in which they lodged, the Genl. Guard in the Barn and the Genl. alone in his room with a sentinel in front of the door.
Mr. Kip was the first to penetrate the designs of these men he found they lived high had plenty of money were well mounted and highly equipped — he could see no signs of their being deserters. He finally discovered their whole plan which was to have one of their number to get in the Genl. employ if possible, who actually went to the Genl. Steward who suspected nothing but said to the man that his services were not wanted, Mr. Kip heard the conversation, & from these and other facts about it learned that they intended to enter his room that night while he was asleep and by some contrivance prevent him from making a noise carry him out, and by the aid of their fleet horses carry him away. — The Genl. had retired very early in the evening — They were to dispose of the sentinel as best they could — Mr. Kip took with him all his arms, and went to the Genl. room awoke him and gave him the information. The Genl. sent for them, they all came and while he was conversing with them, the Genl. Guard came up suddenly and surrounded the whole group — He then told them that he understood their designs, and said he had a good mind to hang every one of them on that tree pointing to a tree near at hand. — He finally ordered the Commissary to sell their horses and equipments forthwith for what he could get, gave them each a little cash and then

said to them that he would let them go on condition that they would separate and that if any two or more of them after one hours time should be found together they should be hung on that tree, forthwith, - and when they were released they separated in every direction.
Shortly after this, I think it was the next day Gen Washington came there and after hearing the case said that he approved of all that Gen S had done excepting the letting of the men go, - and said they ought to have been kept as prisoners of war,
After the war Gen Sturben was in the City of New York, and chancing to meet my Mother, & Sister upon the walk nearly opposite the building in which the British imprisoned many of their prisoners, he said if it had not have been for James Kip he Gen Sturben would have been confined in that Prison
It was for this service that Gen Washington gave him a Lieutenants Commission - we can find no record of this, but the facts are nevertheless so.
Please write me about the matter when convenient, - I will cheerfully communicate any information in my possession, -
Yours Truly
Hon A. J. McCarty
John L. Kip
My Father lost considerable property in the City of New York by means of the British Army in the Revolution. He also lost a farm in Johnstown worth five or Six Thousand Dollars soon after the war of 1812, by being security for others, about the time of the manufacturing speculation, - and was left destitute in his old age.

John R. Berg 26. Oct. 1833
O L
Rec d vol 30. p. 73.

War Department Pension Office Oct. 26. 1833
Sir The Papers of James Kirt have again been examined - The requisition in regard to proof in this case not having been complied with the case is suspended and the Papers placed in file
John V. Bury Esq. Johnstown New York

Dear Genl Smith Dec 22/52

37 Pursuer's Office December 22, 1853.
Dear Sir,
Agreeably to your request, I transmit herewith five hundred copies of the "New York Tribune" of New York, an affidavit for a Quorum under the act of 7 June 1832.
Mr. Gerrit Smith, N.Y.K.

Hon. Gerrit Smith
Mar 13/51

Pension Office
March 13. 1857
Sir,
The renewed application in the case of James Kisp, deceased, of New York under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined.
The service certified by the Secretary of State of New York, and which also appears on the rolls in this office does not appear to be that alleged by this claimant to have been rendered by himself. He claimed for a continuous service of about six years' duration as a foreman and workman of in the armories at Fishkill and Peekskill. This service has been disallowed by this office for the reason that there is nothing to show that it was performed in a military capacity. The name of James Kisp is not found on the rolls of those who were engaged and served under a regular military organization. The same services, rendered at the same time, in a civil capacity, do not entitle to pensions.
Hon Gerrit Smith Ho. of Rep's.

Washington March 5 1874
Hon. Dr. Waldo,
Conf. of Pennsylvania,
Sir,
I enclose you the letter of papers, which I have this day, recd. from John L. kip of Barnstable, Oregon.
I will communicate to Mr. kip the enclosure you shall arrive at in his case.
Very respectfully
Yours
Francis
of Mt. Nebo

Waverly, March 1st 1864.
Dear Sir,
I have at length succeeded in getting my pension papers for you and I take the liberty of enclosing them to you, - I would with pleasure give you a full and complete account of everything in the business, as a pension, and papers, to which my father's family right was subject in the Revolutionary war, but I do not like to tax your patience in an epoch when your valuable time - When the British army occupied New York I found their headquarters of General Howe's family in the city. My father's house, which was a two-story house, situated on Broadway, the west block south of the Metropolitan Hotel. This house was well furnished - it was taken possession of by the British army - and when the British army evacuated the city - they did not leave fifty cents worth of furniture in the house. I don't it be convenient for you to visit the house and take furniture, presenting them to the pension office, - I think that we are entitled to a full pension - but I am sure that the grace of God will govern the amount of pension I receive. Yours Truly,
James H. Hill
Dear General Smith U.S.A.

James life N. Y. act 1818 probably may be 1832, papers
The Smith wants copy of Dec. last term L.M.
Hon. Gerrit Smith H. R.

28662 William Rykman  W. Adams
20893 Henry E. Willis
Rykman's claim & the 3 year utility service were also by Kigo and Willisie disallowed because it was "not shown to be in the course of entitled count affidavit."

RECEIVED
5982.
P. O. _____
James Kip Service: James Kip
Enlisted: _____, 18
Discharged: _____, 18
Application filed: _____, 18
Alleges: _____
Re-enlisted: _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract.
_____ Cert. of Dis. Searched for _____, 18
My Hist. to Lt. Gen. P. Col. Th. Riley, Kans. C.
Apr 13-1900 Hist. to Brig. M. Kik Canton N.Y.
1909. Aug. 9 - Hist. to B. M. Kip - AMH JHK

July 10, 1939.
B. M. Kip 123 Main Street Canton, New York.
BA-J/ILL
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War record of James (Jacobus) Kip who applied for pension, probably, in 1825.
In order to identify the record of the particular James (Jacobus) Kip in whom you are interested, it is essential that you furnish as much as possible of the following informations: approximate dates of birth and death, residence at enlistment and after service, and given name of wife or widow. Upon receipt of further data, another effort will be made to aid you in your research.
Very truly yours,
A. D. HILLER, Executive Assistant to the Administrator.

Canton, N. Y. July 20, 1939.
Veterans Administration Washington, D.C.
Referring to BA-J/ILL
Dear Sirs:
In reply to yours of July 10, requesting additional information relative to the identification of Jacobus (James) Kip I would say that he was born New York City Dec. 20 1750. Died Johnstown N. Y. Nov. 19, 1834.
I do not know where enlistment was made probably in New York City, however children were born in Dutchess and Orange Counties during the period of the war making it possible that enlistment was made Up State.
He was a resident of New York City, in business as a brass founder at what is now 59 Bway. his factory being seized by the British. About 1797 the family removed to Johnstown, N. Y.
Married Cornelia Ryckman Mch. 10, 1774.
I understand an application for pension was made about the year 1853 ( not 1825). I get this information from an old letter written by John Livingston Kip then an Assemblyman at Albany, to my grandfather. I can give no further information at this time.
Very truly yours,
B. M. Kip B. M. Kip