Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 21795, for John Timerman, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Timerman, John
R. 21795
CONTENTS

State of New York Montgomery County ss. Be it known that on this 24 th day of October A.D. 1833 personally appeared before me Abel Loomis a Justice of the peace of the Town of Grafton in the said County. Jacob J. Taiman to me well known who being duly sworn according to Law, does depose that that he is aged about Seventy two Years - is now a resident of the said Town of Grafton & has there always resided - that he was a Soldier of the Revolutionary war that in the said war he was well acquainted with John Timerman now a resident of the Town of Grafton, County of Orleans in said State - that in the said war the said Timerman resided in the then Town of Palatine County of Tryon now County of Montgomery - that the said Timerman this respondent well recollects belonged to the Company of Militia whereof Christian Klock was Capt. in the Regt. whereof Jacob Klock was the Col. in the said war - that he this respondent in said war also belonged to the said Company and Regt. - that he remembers of seeing the said Timerman in the said service during the said war - but by reason of his old age & consequent loss of memory he cannot recollect state what services the said Timerman rendered in said war - except what is hereinafter stated but such of said Timerman's services as he this respondent does recollect are as follows - viz: That the said Timerman was engaged in the service of his country at the time the Oriskany battle was - that he saw said John Timerman when said battle was & that said Timerman was engaged in said battle & then belonged to said Company & Regt. that he the said John Timerman & this respondent assisted in carrying home from the battle Henry Timerman Ensign of said Company who received a wound in said battle - that said battle this respondent thinks was about 6th day of Augt. 1777 - that said Company & Regt. were engaged at least he thinks ten days at the time the said battle was had - this respondent cannot recollect whether the said John Timerman served as a Corporal or private in said company - & this respondent also recollects that the said John Timerman was in the service in the Company whereof Christian Klock was Capt. in the Regt. whereof Jacob Klock was the Col. (he thinks) in the month of August (the particular day he does not recollect) in the year 1781 - or 82 - that this respondent also was engaged in the service in the said Company at the time last mentioned - & saw said Timerman
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in the Service in said Company at the time - That the said Company was called into the Service at this time on account of Major Robt & Walter Butler coming with their forces from Canada to Johnstown in the now County of Montgomery - that the said Company served at this time at least for the period of six days - & were engaged in the pursuit of Major Robt in his retreat - & at the West Canada Creek Walter Butler was shot by an American Indian as was said & scalped by him - that this deponent further says, that the said John Timmerman always sustained the reputation of a good & faithful Soldier in the said war - & never heard a doubt to the contrary expressed - that Col. Marinus Willett commanded the American forces against Major Robt & Col. Butler at the time last mentioned - from the circumstance that said John Timmerman was unwilling to assist in making a stand in this Service he distinctly remembers of seeing said Timmerman in the Service against Major Robt & Col. Butler - & this deponent cannot recollect by reason of his loss of memory what other services than those specified by him the said Timmerman rendered in the said war & should probably at all recollect those services before specified as rendered by said Timmerman were it for the circumstances that the said Timmerman assisted after the Oriskany battle in carrying home their Ensign as before stated & that he was unwilling to assist in building a hut when in the pursuit of Major Robt & Col. Butler - this deponent has no doubt that said Timmerman rendered other services than those detailed herein but cannot from his memory swear to the same - The words "except what is herein stated" are words "not" & the words "than those detailed herein" interline before signing - & further said deponent says not -  Sworn & subscribed to this 24 th day of October 1833 before me  Jacob T. Tolly
Ashebel Loomis Justice of the peace State of New York Montgomery County ss. I the subscriber a justice of the peace in & for said County do hereby certify that I am well acquainted with Jacob T. Tolly who signed a like Affidavit & sworn to the truth of same by me - that he is a respectable & credible person of fair standing reputation - & that his statements contained in above affidavit are entitled to credit & belief - In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand this 24 th day of October 1833 -  Ashebel Loomis Justice of the peace

State of New York
Orleans County ss. On this fifth day of February 1834, personally appeared before James Tilden Esquire one of the judges of the court of Common Pleas of the county of Orleans, the said court being a court of record. John Simerman, a resident of the town of Shelby in the said county of Orleans, and State of New York, aged seventy three years, who being duly sworn according to law, doth, on his oath, make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7, 1832.
That he entered the service of the United States, under the following named officers, and served as herein stated. That he entered said service, in the militia of the State of New York, in the Regiment commanded by Col. Jacob Clock, in Capt. Christian Housis company, at Palatine, Montgomery County, New York, where he then resided, in the Spring of 1777. The particular month the declarant does not remember, as a corporal, and continued in said service from this time until the war closed in 1783, when he was duly discharged from said service, by the said Capt. Housis. The discharge was a verbal one. During the time the said declarant was in said service, he was stationed at Forts, Herkimer and Clock in Montgomery County except when he was out, as he frequently was, on expeditions against the British & Indians. Soon after entering said service as aforesaid, Declarant accompanied General Herkimer, as one of the guard, from Palatine, to Unadilla on the Susquehannah river, Pa. to meet the celebrated Indian Chief, General Brant, and the Indians under him, at that place, for the purpose of making a treaty, with the latter. After this expedition and some time during the summer of 1777, declarant was in an engagement with the British called the Battle of Oriskany and Indians, near Fort Stanwix, which place he & the rest of the troops with him, were attempting to reach when the battle occurred, but were prevented thereby. Declarant was in another engagement after this, near West Canada Creek in Herkimer County, N.Y. under Col. Marinus Willet, (as declarant thinks his christian name was) in which Col. Battle was killed. The said declarant says that while he was in said service he was out on many other expeditions against the enemy of which he has not now a sufficiently distinct recollection to specify or describe. His station, during the time he was in said service, was constantly near the frontier, and he was continually employed in guarding them against the incursions of the enemy. The only officer of the regular army with

whom he became acquainted during said service was Col. Willet mentioned above. The said declarant was drafted in said service. He did not enter as a volunteer or under an enlistment, and he served the whole period as a corporal. Declarant was born at Palatine, Montgomery County N.Y. April 17, 1760. Has a record of his age in the at Shelby where he now resides. Lived at the close of the war at Palatine aforesaid and continued to reside there after, until 1812. When he moved to Shelby Orleans County, N.Y. where he has since resided and where he now resides.
Adam Partin and John J. Snell are residents in the neighborhood of the said declarant, to whom he is personally known, and who can testify to his character for truth and veracity & their belief of his services as a soldier of the revolution. The said declarant further says that he is unable by reason of bodily infirmity to endure the labor and fatigue of attending the court for the purpose of being sworn and examined in open court, touching the facts set forth in this declaration. That he resides about 12 miles from where the courts of record are held in his county. That he has for sometime past been confined by indisposition to his house, and unable, without danger to his health, to go out. There is no clergyman residing in the neighborhood of the declarant whose certificate can be conveniently obtained.
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity, except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the Agency of any state.
Subscribed and sworn before me
this fifth day of February 1834
John T. LEMON
James Gilson one of the Justices of Orleans County N.Y.

(3-223.)
Rej
No. 21795
, Ex'r.
REJECTED
OLD WAR INVALID.
John Simetnan of NY P.O. Br. Col. Kloek, N.Y. troops
Service : Rej
Enlisted : _____ , 18 .
Discharged : _____ , 18 .
Application filed : _____ , 18 .
Alleges : _____
Re-enlisted : _____
Attorney : _____
P. O. _____

Carlton Township
Littler
by

8 mts.
A few days since, some papers in the case of John Timerman an applicant for a pension, were forwarded to you by his son David Timerman, with a letter desiring you to present them to the War Department, and promote the application so far as you conveniently could, and as was consistent. Since the transmission of said papers, Mr Timerman, the applicant for the pension, died. I suppose however his death will not prevent his heirs from receiving his pension from 4 th March 1831, up to the time of his decease. The Department may be inclined to return his papers for amendment. But you will see that it will be difficult to make the amendment. I wish therefore you would mention the fact of Mr T's death to the Department.
Yours Respectfully
Carleton Serres

30.315 In the matter of John Simerman Colo Block NY NY Pension papers
Dec r 12 1836 Ref d to the Committee on Rev d Pensions
Sine Certificate to David Simerman Shelby, Orleans Co. N.Y.
Jan. 23. 1837 - Com d disch d to his deed
Com- Revolutionary Pensions
U.S. Bapt d but of no definite time.
Hon. G. Hard 46 Rev Pensions Morgan 199. m s to his

State of New York
Orleans County ss; On this fifth day of February 1834 personally appeared before James Gilson Esquire one of the Judges of the Court Common Pleas of the county of Orleans, the said Court being a court of record, John Snell, a resident of Shelby in the said county of Orleans, who being duly sworn according to law, doth, on his oath, depose & say that he is personally acquainted with John Timmerman, the declarant named in the above declaration, that he was well acquainted with him at the time of his entering the service of the U.S. as stated in his said declaration, that he resided in the same town with the said declarant, at the time of his entering said service, and knows that he did enter said service as he has stated in his said declaration, in the Spring of 1777 and did serve as corporal under the officers named in said declaration until the war closed in 1783. That the said declarant was stationed at Forts Herkimer & Cloock while in said service, except when out on expeditions against the enemy, as stated in the said declaration. This deponent further says that he was with said declarant a part of the time in said service, but how long he cannot say.
Subscribed and sworn before me
this fifth day of February 1834
I certify that John Snell who has subscribed and sworn to the above affidavit is personally known to me, that his character for truth & veracity is good, and that his statement is entitled to credit.
JOHN SNELL
James Gilson one of the Judges of Orleans Common Pleas
We Henry Bidleman and John Snell residing in the town of Shelby in the county of Orleans and State of New York, hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with John Timmerman who has sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be seventy three years of age; that he is respected and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Subscribed & sworn this day & year aforesaid before me. James Gilson one of the Judges of Orleans Common Pleas
Henry Bidleman John J. Snell

And I the said James Gilson a Judge of the said Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Orleans, do hereby declare my opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states. And I further certify that Henry Bidleman and John J. Snell, who have signed the preceding certificate are residents in the Town of Shelby in the said County of Orleans; that they are credible persons, and that their statement is entitled to credit. And further certify that I am well acquainted with the said declarant, John Zimmerman, that he resides about 12 miles from the place where the courts of record are held in this County, that he is now very infirm, has been confined for some time past, by indisposition, to his house and cannot without serious detriment to his health, travel from the place of his residence to where the said courts, are held, for the purpose of being sworn and examined in open court touching the facts set forth in his said declaration.
James Gilson
State of New York
Orleans County ss:
I Abraham P. Mills Clerk of the County of Orleans do hereby certify, that James Gilson before whom the preceding declaration, affidavit, and certificate purport to have been taken, was at the time of taking the same, a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the said County of Orleans. That I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Judge, and that the official signatures set to the said declaration, affidavit and certificates are the proper signatures of the said Judge. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this 13 th day of February 1834.
A. P. Mills Clerk

State of New York Montgomery County, 33
I George D. Ferguson, clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County, do hereby Certify that Ashbel Loomis before whom the annexed affidavit purports to have been sworn, was on the date thereof a Justice of the Peace of the said County; and that I am well acquainted with his hand writing & truly believe that his name subscribed to the said affidavit to the annexed certificate is Genuine
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal of Office this 25 th October 1833
Geo: D. Ferguson

State of New York } 28 Herkimer County }
Theobald Moyer of the Town of Manheim in the County of Herkimer aforesaid being duly sworn says that he is aged seventy six years - that he is well acquainted with John Zimmerman the declarant in the declaration hereto annexed. - that he knew him during the Revolutionary War. - that he belonged with this Deponent in the Company of Captain Christian House as mentioned in his Declaration - that he knows said John Zimmerman served in the year 1777 in said Company. - that he this Deponent believes that said John Zimmerman served in said Company as a Corporal - that he this Deponent heard at the time & has always understood that said John Zimmerman was engaged in the battle of Oriskany near Fort Stowens and also in the skirmish upon the West Canada Creek in Herkimer when Colonel Butler was killed. And this Deponent from his recollection & knowledge & from general report believes said John Zimmerman served in the manner & for the length of time he has stated in his declaration hereto annexed. -
Subscribed & sworn this { 16 th day of October 1833 } Before me
Theobald Moyer
John Dyger Just War
I John Dyger the Justice above named do certify that I am well acquainted with Theobald Moyer who has subscribed and sworn to the foregoing affidavit and that he sustains the character of a man of truth and veracity and that his statements are entitled to full credit.
Oct. 26. 1833.
John Dyger, J.P.

State of New York
Herkimer County ss
I, Julius C. Nelson, Clerk of the county of Herkimer do hereby certify that John Dygert Esq. before whom the preceding affidavit was taken and who has signed the foregoing certificate was at the time of taking said affidavit a Justice of the Peace in and for said county duly qualified to take said affidavit and further that I am acquainted with the hand writing of the said Justice and justly believe the signature to the Great of the preceding affidavit and the certificate thereunder written to be the proper hand writing of the said Justice -
In Testimony Whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this twenty fifth day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty three
Julius C. Nelson Clerk
Agreeable to the foregoing copy of original

State of New York Herkimer County } ss
Peter Wallner of the Town of Manheim in the County of Herkimer aforesaid being duly sworn says that he is aged sixty eight years & upwards; that he is personally acquainted with John Zimmerman the Declarant in the Declaration hereto annexed that he has known him ever since the commencement of the Revolutionary War. — that the said John Zimmerman was a resident of the Town of Manheim (then Palatine Township or Driess County) in the County & State aforesaid during said Revolutionary War. — that he was also acquainted with Christian House mentioned in said Declaration & knows that he was a Captain and commanded a Company in the Revolutionary War — that he knows the said John Zimmerman belonged to the Company of said Captain House during said War. — And this Deponent further says that he knows the Company of Captain House were engaged in the battle near Fort Stawing and also in the battle near the West Canada Creek in which Col Butler was killed and that he heard at the time and has ever since understood and believes that the said John Zimmerman was engaged in each of the said battles under the command of Captain House as is stated in the Declaration hereto annexed. — And that from his knowledge and from general report he has no doubt that John Zimmerman the Declarant did serve in the manner & for the length of time stated in his said Declaration
Sworn & subscribed this 26 th day of October 1833. Before me
Peter Wallner
John Dyger Just. Peace
I John Dyger the Justice above named do certify that I am well acquainted with Peter Wallner who has subscribed & sworn to the foregoing affidavit and that he sustains the character of a man of truth & veracity and that his statements are entitled to full credit. Oct. 26, 1833.
John Dyger J.P.

State of New York ) Herkimer County )
Julius C. Nelson Clerk of the County of Herkimer do hereby certify that John Dygat Esquire before whom the preceding affidavit purports to have been taken and who has signed the foregoing certificate, was at the time of taking said affidavit a Justice of the peace in and for said County duly qualified to take said affidavit, and further that I am acquainted with the hand writing of said Justice and believe the signature to the first of the preceding affidavit and the certificate thereunder, written to be the proper hand writing of said Justice.
In testimony whereof I have hereto set my hand and affixed my Seal of Office this Twenty Ninth day of October A.D. 1833.
Julius C. Nelson Clerk