Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 22881, for John Loder, New York

SERVICE
New York
Loder, John
NUMBER _____
NUMBER D. 22881
CONTENTS

31.119H
Set to Pension Agent Jan 16. 1841
New York Albany
John Loper
of Ulster County in the State of N.Y. who was a Private in the Comp y . commanded by Captain Lewis of the Reg t . commanded by Col o Hobbie in the N. York line for 15 months & 20 days Measured from $36.11 per m.
Inscribed on the Roll of Albany N.Y. at the rate of 2 Dollars 14 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 9 th day of June 1841 and sent Hon. John Sanford House of Representatives
Arrears to the 4th of March 1841 $524.40
Semi-annual allowance ending 2 Sept. 26.22 $550.62
{ Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by Alb. Addison Clerk Book CC Vol. 4 Page 42

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John Loder Montgomery Co. N. York
Albany
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George D. Ferguson Johnstown N. York

WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: { ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of John Loder Montgomery, City N.Y.
   Period when the service was rendered. Duration of the claimant's service. Rank of the claimant. Names and Rank of the Company officers under whom he served. Names and Rank of the General and Field officers. Battles in which the applicant was engaged. Country through which he marched. Place of abode when he entered the service, and age at the present period. Evidence by which the declaration is supported.   Years. Months. Days.     nye May 1778 2 5 Mr. Capt L. L. L. Col. H. L. N.Y. 69 Round ridge N.Y. Gratuitous L Witness!  
I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J. L. EDWARDS, Commissioner of Pensions.

REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
 1. The Regular Troops.  2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.  3. Persons employed in the Naval service.  4. Indian Spies. 
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons, claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of } ss. County of }
On this day of personally appeared (a) before A. B. a resident (b) of in the county of and State, Territory or District of aged (c) years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d) , with and served in the (e) regiment of the line, under the following named officers:
[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. [This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I of the Court of do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this day of &c.
If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with , who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B.
who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, Clerk of the Court of do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this day of &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person

will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
 1. Where and in what year were you born?  2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?  3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?  4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?  5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.  6. { To a Soldier. } Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it? { To an Officer. } Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it? 
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that he answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons -one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditional evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:—For _____ years _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months , is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
[k] The notes from [e] to [i] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[l] This traditional evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[m] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[n] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
R. Newman

Elizabeth Ellsworth

State of New York Montgomery County ss.
Hannah Loder being duly sworn depo- seth and saith that she resided with her husband who is now dead during the revolutionary war in the Town of Pownaridge in the County of Westchester and State of New York. That John Loder served in the said War for more than two years to the best of her recollection and belief. That John Loder aforesaid mentioned is her son, that during the time he so served he resided with the family of her husband excepting the time he the said John was absent on said services That the services rendered by him in said war commenced before the close of said war and terminated with the said war. That she is now in her ninety seventh year, that her recollection is somewhat impaired but she is confident that the said John Loder served as aforesaid that he was absent most of the time and but occasionally at home and was in the war as she at the time understood and believed for two years or more before the close of the same. That she this deponent recollects that he the said John Loder was under the Com-

Command of Captain Samuel Gove as she understood at the time - That she has no other recollection of the services of the said Men that are sufficiently distinct and clear to warrant her in stating them.
Hannah her X Soder mark.
I Certify that the aforesaid named Hannah Soder Subscribed the aforesaid oath & affidavit by making her mark that the said affidavit or statement aforesaid made by her was read to her so that she heard the same and that she therefor swore to the same this 13 th day of August 1832 before me
Marcellus Weston a justice of the peace for the Town of Broadalbin in the County of Montgomery and
State of New York. And I further Certify that I am acquainted with the said Hannah Soder and that she is a credible person, that her character for truth and veracity is good, that her statement aforesaid made
State of New York, is entitled to credit. Marcellus Weston a justice of the peace of said County of Montgomery Montgomery County, ss. I, George D. Ferguson, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County, do hereby Certify that Marcellus Weston Esquire, before whom the foregoing affidavit of Hannah Soder, purports to have been sworn was on the date thereof a justice of the peace

of the said County. And that I am well acquainted with the handwriting of the said Justice, & verily believe that the name of the said Justice subscribed to the said affidavit is Leavitt!
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and Seal of Office this 13th. day of December 1832.
Geo: D. Ferguson. Clerk.

John Loder
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[Faint, mirrored handwritten text from the reverse side of the page, including the word "Swan" at the bottom.]

State of New York
Montgomery County ss
On this Twentieth - day of September in the year 1832 personally appeared in open court before the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas for the said County of Montgomery now sitting John Loder a resident of Broadalbin in the said County of Montgomery and State of New York aged Sixty nine years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7 th 1832 - That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated - In the month of May in the year 1778 resided at Poundridge Newchester County in the State of New York at which time he was enrolled and ordered into service to keep guard by some order as was said from a General whose name is not recalled David Robbie was the Colonel who sent the orders to Captain Samuel Lewis in whose Company he served. Gilbert Neele was Lieutenant Thinks the name of the Ensign was Elkanah Scapfield, is not certain. That the orders were read every day at the head of Company and that they required every man able to bear a musket to be in readiness at a moments warning with arms powder and ball under penalty - Orders were read every day the Company mustered and the roll called. Orders required
you to be in readiness for a march.

In testimony whereof I have hereunto set
That every person of said Company should go on guard every third night. The Company was obliged to assemble every day and were sent out in different directions to keep guard and prevent the scouting parties of the enemy from pillaging the Country and from taking and killing the Americans. The British forces both horse and foot were at times all overripene at New York and other places in the vicinity of Poughkeepsie or not so far off but that the inhabitants were constantly exposed to their incursions. That he the said John Loden continued to serve in this way and manner aforesaid for two and a half or three years, it was until hostilities ceased in consequence of the establishment of peace. Cannot tell exactly the time he was discharged but it was not till hostilities ceased between the British and American forces. There was no regiment to which said Company was attached nor was he acquainted with any General officers or Continental Companies. Captain Loden's Company was composed of the Militia and of all persons able to bear arms in Poughkeepsie or the vicinity where he resided. That he served in said Company during the period aforesaid and was

not absent from said Company at roll call during the period aforesaid excepting a few times That he was on guard every third night and out on scouts during the day for the time aforesaid and was all that time held respon- sible for duty by his officers. Whether he was obliged to serve or not. He cannot say but he so con- sidered it at the time and obeyed the orders of his officers and served in obedience to such orders as aforesaid - After the revolutionary war lived at Middle patten Washington County in said State of New York. After that moved to Amsterdam in Montgomery County aforesaid & then to Broadalbin in said Montgomery where he now resides. That he has no documen- -tary evidence of his service and that he knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his service except Benjamin Loder his mother who is now in her ninety seventh year and is so informed that she cannot be procured as a witness to attend the court That he was born in the town of Stamford - in the County of and State of Connecticut on the 24 th day of August 1763. Has no record of his age except what is contained in a bill that belonged to his father now in his possession He never received any discharge. That he is known application of some leader for a pension.

The testimony whereof I have hereunto set
to John W. Dugay and Hinton C. Hill and that they can testify to his character for honesty and their belief of his services as a soldier of the revolution - That he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state That he knows of no minister who can testify to his being reputed a soldier of the revolution
John Loder
Second to I subscribed in open court the 20th September 1832.
Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk.
He

We John M c Intyre and Samuel White residents of the town of Broadalbin in the County of Montgomery do hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Loder who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be sixty nine years of age that he is respected and beloved in the neigh- borhood where he resides so have been a soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in that opinion
Sealed & subscribed in open Court 20th September 1832
Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk
John M c Intyre Samuel White
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, & after putting the interrogatories presented by the War depart- ment, that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, & served as he states.
And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that John M c Intyre, who here signed the preceding Certificate are residents of the town of Broadalbin in Montgomery County aforesaid, and are credible persons, and that their statement is entitled to credit
I, George D. Ferguson, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of John Loder for a pension.

In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my official seal this 20th September 1832.
Geo: D. Ferguson

June 8, 1931
Miss Ruth L. Holmes Salem Center New York
Rev.& 1812 Wars Section AWT:MLB
Dear Madam:
You are advised that this bureau is unable to furnish the history of a soldier of the Revolutionary War unless a claim for pension or bounty land has been made to the United States on account of his services.
A careful search of the records fails to show such claims on file on account of the services of any Jonathan Loder.
You are furnished herewith the history of John Loder, of New York.
It appears from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 22381, that John Loder was born August 24, 1763, at Stamford, Connecticut.
While residing with his parents in Poundridge, Westchester County, New York, he enlisted and served until the close of the war, two years and nine months, in Captain Samuel Lewis' company under Colonels David Hobby and Thaddeus Crane of the New York troops, was in several skirmishes and scouting parties.
He was allowed pension on his application executed September 20, 1832, at which time he was living in Broadalbin, Montgomery County, New York.
In 1832 the soldier's widowed mother, Hannah Loder, was in her ninety-seventh year and stated that during the Revolution she lived with her husband in Poundridge, New York, but did not give the name of her husband.

It is not stated whether soldier ever married.
Very truly yours
E. W. MORGAN Acting Commissioner

John Lodge Petition of John Lodge of New York an evolutionary soldier for a pension
Mar. 5. 1834
Ref to Com ee Rev. Pendergast June 10. 1834 Com ee disch d & lie d
Com Rev Pendergast
See McVean
McVean 142
MS

To the Senate and house of rep esentatives in Congress assembled
The memorial of John Goder of the town of Broadalbin in the County of Mont- =gomery and State of New York respectfully shews - That your petitioner during the war of the Revolution resided in the town of Poundridge in the County of Westchester in the said State of New York - That he resided in his father's family, about one mile from Ama- =ris river as it was then called, on the American side of the river; the other side was called the British side as the British troops occupied the other side of said river without much of any molesta- tion, with their scouting and foraging parties which were sent out from their garrisons or Forts, not many miles distant from the place of your petitioner's residence - That in the Spring of the year 1779 two or three months before your petitioner was sixteen years of age, he was ordered into the Militia service of the United States by Captain Samuel Lewis who told your petitioner, that he had orders from Col. David Robby to embody and must your petitioner in said Militia service and to com- =pel your petitioner to serve in the Army of the United States - That your petitioner consider- =ing himself obliged to serve as required, and to

obey the orders of Captain Lewis and Col. Bobby submitted himself to their Military authority and was there upon enrolled in Capt Lewis Company of Militia and in Col. Babbys regiment and was compelled to serve and did serve in said Company and regiment in the said service of the United States for two years and nine months his said service ending near the last of the year 1781. or the fore part of the year following - Your petitioner cannot state precisely the time of going into or leaving said service, but that he served not less than the time aforesaid - That your petitioner was under the daily command of Captain Lewis or Gilbert Mcd who was Lieutenant of said Company unless he was excused and that he was not permitted to be absent from his said service any or excused from duty; but a few days during the time he was in said service - That your petitioner was in the field every day and stationed at different places in Poundridge and its vicinity by orders from the Col. which were frequently read to the Company and that the duty of the said Company consisted principally in guarding the important passes or roads over the aforesaid river though frequently compelled to march a few miles and attack with the aid of other

Companies stationed a few miles distant, the parties of British horse and other forces that were ravaging the country and murdering its inhabitants. That your petitioner in addition to his daily services, owing to the Company being small, and the extent of country to be guarded, was compelled to stand duty every third night during the period aforesaid and let no one pass without the countersigns and was threatened with all the penalties incident to regular service if he slept upon his post or disobeyed his orders. That Col. Robby commanded other Companies of Militia which were stationed along the British lines portions of which in cases of emergency came together for a few days and then took their several Stations again. That your petitioner has made an application to the War department for a pension under the act of the 7 th of June 1832, and in substance set forth his services as above stated and has proved the same by a witness who is now dead all of which papers are on file at said department and has received an answer to his application from the Commissioner of pensions that he cannot be allowed a pension under said act; that the nature of his services will not admit it. And your petitioner further states that he has no means of living or of living, but by his daily labor that he is extremely poor and has no children.

or friends, that are able to do any thing towards his maintenance or support, and that old age has so far impaired his bodily ability to labor that he must soon be supported by public munificence - Your petitioner therefore in consequence of having served his country as aforesaid faithfully and continuously as aforesaid during all of which time he was not engaged or employed in any other business but suffered many privations and hardships in his country's service and exposed it in several skirmishes at the imminent danger of his life most respectfully solicits Congress to place him upon the pension rolls with all the advantages of the said act of June 1832. as your petitioner in duty bound will ever pray -
John Loder
Subscribed and sworn to before me this 15 th day of February 1834.
Stephen West Justice of the peace of the town of Mayfield in Montgomery County.

State of New York, Montgomery County Sp
I George D. Ferguson Clerk of the County of Montgomery do hereby certify that Stephen Wait before whom the foregoing Memorial of John Soder purports to have been sworn to at the date thereof a Justice of the Peace in for the said County. And that I am Well acquainted with the hand writing of said Justice & truly believe that his name subscribed to said Memorial is genuine
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal of Office this 11 th of February 1834
Geo: D. Ferguson

State of New York County of Montgomery ss, on this 15 th day of May A.D. 1838. personally appeared before John M c Intire a Judge of the County Courts of the County aforesaid. John Loder a resident of the Town of Glen in the County of Montgomery aforesaid. aged Seventy five years who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth, on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provisions made by the act of Congress passed June 7, 1832, That he enlisted in the Army of the United States, in the Spring or last of the winter of the year 1780 - in the Town of Poundridge in the County of Westchester N.Y. in a Company commanded by Captain Samuel Lewis - Lieutenants Gilbert Weed and Ensign Jonathan Scobell - in a Regiment under the command of Colonel David Hobbs - after being so enlisted this applicant marched with the rest of said Company under the direction of said Officers, to White Plains Westchester County aforesaid - to prevent the British from coming into that place - and kept guard at that place and was on Sundry Scouts, in pursuit of the Enemy in the vicinity of that place - this applicant whilst enlisted as aforesaid done duty as a Guard occasionally at Poundridge aforesaid & occasionally at White Plains, frequently marching with said Company from one of said places to the other of said places - and this applicant also marched in the year 1780 with said Company under said Officers, to North Castle same County - of Westchester - and also to a place called West Patent - and done duty at said places as guards & scouting after the Enemy - and occasionally taking some prisoners - and in the year 1781 and 1782 - this applicant with said Company & Officers, continued to do military duty as aforesaid - part of the time at Poundridge part of the time at White Plains, part of the time at North Castle Patent - part of the time

at Middle patent and part of the time at Bedford - in the County of Westchester aforesaid and continued to do duty as aforesaid for two years & nine months. This deponent has not been in any regular Battles - but has been into several Skirmishes with the Enemy & has help take several prisoners. This applicant was enlisted in said war but once, and that was the time aforesaid, and then he enlisted during the remainder of the Revolutionary war - In this applicant hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity - except what he now applies for and he declares that his name is not on the pension roll of any agency in any State to his knowledge - although this applicant has previously made a declaration to receive a pension whilst residing in Montgomery County aforesaid - but has never received any pension on it - and has been informed & believes that said declaration is lost or mislaid. This applicant never received a written discharge but was honorably discharged by said Captain Lewis, after the war ended - This applicant has resided in the County of Montgomery upwards of thirty years past - says he is personally acquainted with William Reed - Benedict Arnold - Mathew J. Bower Isaac Jackson fathers of Amsterdam in Montgomery County, who can testify as to his vicinity and to their belief of his service as a soldier of the Revolution - Sworn to and subscribed this day of June aforesaid - John Loder John Hand a Judge of the County Courts of the County of Montgomery
I certify "sworn to" on the sixth line was first wrote on an obliteration, - the word Colonel - on the 17th line from the top.

from the top of the foregoing declaration the words "into" on the 21 st line from the top were all of them interlined before sworn to - the words "castle" on the 39 line was obliterated all done before sworn to — John Hana a Judge of the County Courts of the County of Montgomery
Montgomery County W Y ss — I John Hana a Judge of the County Courts of said County do hereby declare my opinion after the investigation of the matter after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the war Department No. That the applicant named in the annexed declaration was a Recruiting Soldier and served as he states in said declaration and I certify that I am some acquaintance with said applicant — and know him to be a credible person & that the statement by him made in said declaration are entitled to credit — I further certify that said John Loder cannot from reason bodily infirmity attend any of the courts of record of the County of Montgomery aforesaid — Given under my hand at Glen Saddle County on the 15 th May 1838 John Hana a Judge of the County Courts of the County of Montgomery —

State of New York Montgomery County Clerk's Office
I Alexander J. Bonner Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of said County do hereby certify that John Hoard Esquire whose name is subscribed to the jurats of the preceding affidavits & proceedings was on the day of the date thereof a judge of the County Courts of the County of Montgomery and authorized by the laws of the said State to administer oaths &c in and for the said County - And that his signature subscribed to the same is genuine. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hands and affixed my seal of office this four- -teenth day of February 1838.
A. J. Bonner Clerk
20. 283.
In Vol 8 p 55 $23.75 " " 48.21
96
Vol 8. p 55 $23.75 " " 48.21
71.96
10 d 24 ams
Admitted Private 10 d 24 ams
$36.11
M. J. Bovee Esq Amsterdam New York

L. Godunova

Fulton County } State of New York }
p. Marcellus Westfall
being duly sworn deponeth and saith That some time in the fall or latter part of the summer of the year 1832 he at the request of Mrs. Loder now of Broad Albin in said County recalled upon Bannack Loder an old lady then rising of ninety years of age as she stated for the purpose of having her affidavit taken to enable the said Mrs. Loder to procure a pension under the act of 1832. That the said Bannack Loder was sworn by this depo- nent who was then a justice of the peace and in her affidavit stated that she was the mother of the said Mrs. Loder That during a portion of the revolution- ary war she resided in Poundridge in the County of New Chester near the British lines. That the said Mrs. Loder was in the service of the American army and actually engaged as a soldier for about two years and nine months to the best of this deponent's recollection. This deponent is sure that the time sworn to by said Bannack Loder was two years from the circumstance that he recollects that said Mrs. Loder from her affidavit would

be entitled to a full pension under said act, that this deponent cannot state all the particulars contained in the affidavit of the said Bannards as the time and circumstances allow- -ing the services of the said John in said affidavit have escaped this deponent's recollection but were as this deponent believes set forth in the second and further such not
Marcellus Weston
subscribed and sworn to this 10 th day of July 1839 before me Joseph Blair a justice of the peace in and for said County and I certify that the said Marcellus Weston is known to me to be a person of credibility whose testimony is entitled to full credit and belief
Joseph Blair Justice of the Peace

State of New York Fulton County ss } ss. Marcellus
Weston being duly sworn saith in addition to the foregoing affidavit by him made relative to the facts contained in the said Hannah Loder's affidavit, that the said Hannah did in her said affidavit state the names of the officers under whom the services of the said John Loder were performed. That this deponent thinks and is quite sure that she named Col. Bobbie as one of them - that he well recollects that she named some if not all of the Company officers but he does not recollect the names nor any of them. Subscribed and sworn to this 26 th day of July 1839 before me Joseph H. Main Justice of the Peace -

Brooklyn June 7 th June 7 th N.Y.
Free Pension Claims
Hon. Lewis Cass
Secretary of War Washington City D. Columbia

Broadalbin Dist. Co. N. York June 6 1833
Hi
Enclosed are the pension papers of John Loden which were returned as appears by the printed letter (returned with them and also herewith enclosed) in consequence of the credibility of the witness not being certified to by me. I have accordingly certified to her credibility. Mr Loden requests me to say that as soon as his pension certif- icate is made out the same can be forwarded to me. yours exp ly &c
Abner Nelson
To Lewis Capt Esq Secy of War. }

War Department. Pension Office April 21. 1834.
Sir,
I enclose herewith the original papers in the case of John Loder, which have been rejected. Be pleased to acknowledge the receipt of them.
I have the honor to be Very respectfully Your Ob t Serv t J L Edwards
Hon. C. McVean House of Representatives

Amsterdam Oct r 31. 1837
Dear Sir
I have been anxiously waiting to hear from a number of cases that are before the department since have been there since June - Widows Anna Blake - a plain case - a certificate has ought to have been issued in the case of Mary Lippin - the case of - the Widows Deborah Ransom & a number more I should feel grateful to hear from
I am your friend
Matthew J. Breeze
Hon. J. L. Edwards
As I write you - for the papers of John Gooden you reply that the papers have been handed to Hon. C. M c Faulk he says that the papers were returned to your Office - If the papers are lost can a new declaration be made before a justice of the Peace - as he is too feeble to attend court -
Hon. J. L. E.
M. J. Breeze

Payment to be made at Albany, N.Y. by T. W. Olcott, Esq. Agent for paying Pension- ers, in the Agency of Albany, N.Y.
£41.17.1. Compt. Off. w Issu new Certificate 15 no. 22 days -  $52.44/100
deduct what has been paid.
• Hon. John Sanford Recorded in the Pension Office, in Book 82 Vol. 4, H.R. Page 42, by S. A. Ellish Clerk.

WAR DEPARTMENT.
REVOLUTIONARY CLAIM.
I certify that in conformity with the law of the United States, of the 7th June, 1832, John Loder of New-York who was a private in the War of the Revolution is entitled to receive Thirty-six dollars and eleven cents per annum, during his natural life, commencing on the 4th of March, 1831, and payable semi-annually, on the 4th of March and 4th of September, in every year.
Given at the War Office of the United States, this third day of August, one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight.
S. Cooper. Acting Secretary of War.
J. L. Edwards
Commissioner of Pensions.
Examined and Countersigned. }

Mar 23. 1841.
FREE
Mr. A. L.
Miss
John Lloyd
Joseph L. Edwards Comm. of Pensions Washington D.C.

Amsterdam March 18. 1840
Sir
In examining the Rolls at Albany I found credited to John Locke £9. 10. 0 - £5. 7. 0 & £19. 5. 9 all under Capt Lewis - in adjusting his claims you allowed him a Pension for the 1st & 3rd services above named & the 2nd service (22) £5. 7. 0 has not been allowed to him - it was undoubtedly overlooked in examining his case - his case is under the Act of June 7. 1832. I presume you will rectify it At once -
I am yours respectfully Mathias J. Baeck
Dear J. L. Edwards

Amsterdam May 18. 1838
Dear Sir
Enclosed I forward you the papers of John Lodge which have been taken before a judge - as he cannot attend Court I have your permission to take the case before a judge - The old man is as poor as poor can be - If he is entitled I wish he could have it soon. He says that he owed L. 2. 6s and 9 pence and did not attend to any other business -
I am yours respectfully
William J. Burre
Wm J. L. Edwards

Amsterdam March 30. 1837
Dear Sir
I wish you to examine the papers of Mr David D. Becker and make a particular report - also the papers of Mr John Loder who is undoubtedly entitled to a pension & if he does not receive a certificate - he must in a few days go to the Poor House - I hope you will carefully examine his case & report to me at an early day as possible - I trust I know - my best respects to you & Mrs Lewis Hamilton
I am your friend
William J. Burre
L. G. Edwards Esq.
20. D. Becker.
John Loder Index No 20283 - Rejected

Amsterdam March 29. 1841
Sir
In reply to yours of the 25th ultimo in the case of John Locke for an increase of his Pension I would say that you say that his case was adjusted with you by those books then in this Office of the objection I take to this point of your letter is that you did not allow to claimant one Record of Service under Capt Lewis as I have stated in my letter of the 18th instant - If you ever looked that service is it not just and equitable to allow it - this is the rule in all business and is so practiced in all our courts - must you say (No term of service can be established by the rolls unless it is previously set forth by a claimant) In answer to the above I will say that claimant states in his declaration more than two years service under Capt Lewis - If you will examine the correspondence in this case you will discover that the original papers of claimant were lost with all the testimony of living witnesses who were dead when I had his papers taken & I depended on the rolls to release the old man from the poor House at which place he was when the declaration was taken - I have no doubt as to his being entitled to full pay - I presume it will be adjusted at once Yours J. L. Edwards
I am yours respectfully
Matthew J. Breece

Amsterdam July 28. 1838
Dear Sir
Yours of the 26th ultimo is at hand and in reply say that you may forward a Pension Certificate in the case of John Lodge for 10 mo. and 24 days as stated in your letter of 26th instant
I am yours respectfully
Matthew J. Bence
Rev. J. L. Edwards
It pleases me to send as the old man is very poor & in want of the mercies of life
M. J. Bence

Anstedon Sept r 30. 1839
Dear Sir
owing to the circumstance of the original Pension papers in the case of John Lodge having been lost with the testimony accompanying the same I have procured the affidavit of Manders Weston Esq r who originally made out the Pension papers of John Lodge under the Act of June 7. 1832 and which papers are now lost - John Lodge is a very poor man and his allowance of $36 per annum is not sufficient for his support - I have no doubt myself that he would more than treble that sum - I am yours respectfully
Matthias J. Bree
Dear J. L. Edwards
It is no secret in Fulton County M. J. Bree

In pursuance of a law passed the 27th day of April, 1784, entitled "An act for the settlement of the pay of the Levies and Militia, for their services in the late War, and for other purposes therein mentioned," the following certificates have been issued, bearing interest at five per cent per annum, viz :
  1779 Nov 15 38.731 John Soder Pri 9 10 0   1779 Augt 31 38.972 John Soder 5 7 0   1781 Nov 1 39.668 John Soder 19 5 9   1781 June 30 43.122 John Soder 7 16 8 
STATE OF NEW-YORK, COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, Albany, May 31 1841.
I hereby certify the above to be true extracts from Book No. — 889 — now remaining in this office, and that the service for which the certificates above named were issued, were performed under the following officers, viz :
 First—under Capt. Eben Safford V th Genl Lewis in Col. (B th ) Madams Crane's Regiment.  Second, " Lt Danl Weston V th Genl Lewis " " " Madams Crane's "  Third, " Capt Saml Lewis " " " " Madams Crane's "  Fourth, " " Gould Weston " " " Joseph Benedict "  Fifth, " " [Signature] " " " [Signature] "  Sixth, " " [Signature] " " " [Signature] "  Seventh, " " [Signature] " " " [Signature] "  Eighth, " " [Signature] " " " [Signature] " 
M c Intire Dep. Comptroller
41. 19 5 20 00 2 41 104 93

New-York (S.) 31,494.
John Loder,
of Montgomery Co. in the State of N. York who was a private in the company commanded by Captain Lewis of the regt commanded by Col. Hobbie - in the N. York for 10 mos. & 24 days. pri.
Inscribed on the Roll of New-York (S.) at the rate of 36 Dollars 11 Cents per annum, to commence on the 14th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 8 th day of August, 1838 and sent to M. J. Booe, Esq. Amsterdam, N.Y.
Arrears to the 14th of March, 1838 = $ 252:77 Semi-ann. allowance ending 4 Sept. 1838 = 18:05
$ 270:82
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by S. S. Elliot Clerk, Vol. 62 Vol. 4, Page 42.
Letter to Hon. M. J. Booe } 11 Nov. 1839 } Date same March } 20 th 1841 } do April 1 th 1841

88.8.

Skaneateles N.Y. Aug. 1-1901
To Commissioner Pension Please have the Records searched for me of the Revolutionary find the record of John Clark of the State of Rhode Island who served through that war. I had an account of it but have lost it. also give me the war record of Abraham Allen of Gloucester Providence County Rhode Island
war record of John Loder of New Jersey State who served in Revolution
war record of war of 1812 of Nathaniel Clark of Lorraine Jefferson County and of Laban Allen of Williamstown Allegany Co New York who served through the war of 1812.
Mrs Celestine Clark Loder
I have to search the war records to prove who my relatives were
Please give records as soon as possible
-Mrs C. Loder

3-871.
RECORD DIVISION.
Department of the Interior, BUREAU OF PENSIONS.
Briefed by Hill
Claim No. _____
Certificate No. _____
Claimant _____
Soldier John Soder
Service N. Y. Service
Additional Service Rev. War
No. _____ claim, State records _____, 190_____
No claim, combination records _____, 190_____
REMARKS:
no claim as above except 2.2.881 Aug. 13, 1909.

20.283
New York
Rev. =
John Loder
Rejected
see letter to
George L. Ferguson
23 d Sept r 1833.
papers sent to Hon.
C. McLean H.R.
April 21. 1834.
sent to Mr. J. Bovey April
1837. To same 25. Nov. 1837 " " 26 July, 1838
Act 7. June 1832

May 1st, 1931 1763 New York Ave Washington, D.C.
Commissioner of Pensions Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir:
The enclosed letter which I originally addressed to the Adjutant General's office asking for information

was returned to me with the information that JONATHAN LODER, NOT JOHNATHAN, served in the Revolutionary war as a "Lieutenant" in Captain Alonzo Packer's Co. in a Regt. of New York Militia under command of Col. Theodorus Crane, in the County of Westchester. He was in service on Sunday Alarm in the years 1779, 1780, 1781, a total of "two hundred & seventy three days."
The Assistant General Office suggests that further information may be obtainable from your office.
I will be at the above address for one week and would appreciate any and all information you can give me concerning this man.
In the "Pay of Services" for JOHN LODER, as per enclosing the

same man requested - also as JONATHN ? If not, will you establish this JOHN's identity and verify numbers etc.
Will you kindly send me as complete information as is available from your office.
If you are unable to reply by "last 9" at above address, will you kindly send letter to my "home address." —
Salem Center      Very truly Yours, U. Y. (Miss)      Richd. L. Holmes Worcester Co.      "Kindly return enclosures"

In reply to your request of _____, received _____ for a statement of the military history of John Roder a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pen- sion on file in this Bureau. S. File 22881
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     Last of Apr. 1780 2yrs 9 mos.   May 1778 to close 2 1/2 or 3 yrs. Samuel Lewis David Holby Thaddeus Crane N.Y.        
Battles engaged in, Rev War T. Ser. N.Y. Westchester Co Residence of soldier at enlistment, Poundridge N.Y.  wife - his Date of application for pension, Sept 20 1832  Herold Residence at date of application, Broadalbin N.Y.  Montgomery Co Age at date of application, 69  in 1838 res. Astoria N.Y.  Born Aug 24 1763 at Stamford Conn. Remarks: 1832 soldier's widowed mother Hannah Roder was 97 yrs old  Her 97 yrs stated
See rept for Comptroller - both N.Y. books.
Col. Crane "p. 214 N.Y. in Rev."

Resolution
22881. INVALID.
1909 Aug. 19. Hirt. to Mrs. C.C. Loder 31- June 8-1912 in with P. Holmes
File No. 22,881
John Loder Rev Rev War
Act: June 7 th 82 nd
Index: Vol. 2 , Page 245
[Arrangement of 1870.]