Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 11178, for Richard Tillman, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
Navy New York
Tillman, Richard
S 11178
CONTENTS
carded

8969 New York
Richard Silliman
of Albany in the State of New York who was a Sailing Master in the Sch. Liberty commanded by Captain Simmons of the Squad. commanded by Com. Wynkoop in the N.Y. Navy twelve 9 months Sailing Master and 15 Mts. Private
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Inscribed on the Roll of New York — at the rate of 185 Dollars —  Cents per annum to commence on the 14th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 3 day of May 1833 and sent Hon. G. H. Lansing Albany N.Y.
Arrears to the 4th of Mar 33 — $360 Emi-ant. allowance ending 4 Sep 33 92.50 $452.50
Recorded by Sno Crown Book E Vol. 4
paid to 4 Sept. 1834-
 Letter to John Fleming Esq. 6th Sept 1834 " " Pugsley " " " 1835 " " Hon. G. T. Lumsden Feb. 10. 1835 " " Sumner Jun 30 1837 " " Hon. A. Gallop 10 Oct 1837. " " W. Luce Nov. 16/52 

Richard Tillman's
Declaration. —
2510
Miss Douglass St W. M. Mahon M.

State of New York City and County of Albany } ss.
On this 4 th day of August 1832 before the Justices Court of the City of Albany, Personally Came Derick Hilton of the Town of Bethlehem in the County of Albany, Farmer, who being duly sworn according to Law, doth depose and say, that he is well acquainted with Richard Tillman of the said City, and has known him from his, the Declarer's, earliest recollection; that the said Richard Tillman has always borne the character of a true and staunch friend to the Cause of America; and that this Deponent well remembers that he was engaged in the service of the United States under Commodore James Wynkoop on Lake George and Lake Champlain; and that he was on all occasions an active, vigilant man, in detecting conspiracies under the direction of the commissioners appointed for detecting conspiracies; and that he was often in service as a militia man, on various occasions, and at different times during the Revolutionary War - and that he was an active & useful man, and a good soldier. -
Derick Hilton
Albany County ss. Be it known that before me Gerrit L. Doss one of the Justices of the Justices Court of the city of Albany, appeared the above named Richard  Derick Hilton to me well known as a man of truth & veracity and was duly sworn as to the truth of the foregoing affidavit.
In witness whereof I have hereto signed my name this 4 th day of August 1832.
Gerrit L. Doss

In the matter of Richard Tullman
Application for a Pension
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9 mo. Sailingmaster "Liberty"
18 mo pri
18 mo pri
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$185
M c Lansing Albany

State of New York
City and County of Albany ss James J. Wynkoop of the City of Albany being duly sworn says that he is aged forty one years. That he is the grandson of Jacobus (or James) Wynkoop late of the City of Albany deceased. That he has always understood his name to be Jacobus and his signature was Jacobus Wynkoop. That this deponent has always understood and believes that his said Grandfather was comman- der of the shipping on Lake Champlain during the War of the Revolution and held the Commission of Commodore in the Service of the United States during the said War or part thereof. That this Deponent has seen the Muster Rolls of his said Grandfather and the name of Richard Tillman thereon as Sailing Master. That this Deponent is personally acquainted with said Richard Tillman and believes him to be a man of respectable character and of truth and veracity. That this Deponent knew Captain Isaac Simmons in his life time and has frequently seen his name among the papers of his said Grandfather and orders directed to him as an Officer under the command of his said Grand- father and further saith not
Sworn this 22 nd day of March 1833
J. Lansing Cranford
James J. Wynkoop

State of New York
City County of Albany
Is Gerrit T. Bratt of the City of Albany being duly sworn says that he is forty nine years of age that he now is and always has been a resident of the City of Albany that he has always from his infancy known Richard Sillman named in the annexed papers that he is a man of respectable character and should place the full confidence in his representations either when sworn or not that he has frequently and more than twenty years since conversed with said Sillman relative to his services in the War of the Revolution when the said Sillman stated to him that he had served under Commodore Wynkoop in the said Revolutionary War and detailed to him many circumstances relative to his said services that this deponent has heard and believes that the papers or many of them of the said Commodore Wynkoop were some years since destroyed by fire in the dwelling where they were deposited that this deponent not having changed his recollection thereunto cannot now relate the circumstances of his service detailed by said Sillman in his conversations with this deponent as above mentioned
Gerrit T. Bratt
Sworn this 23 day of March 1833 before me
E. J. Lansing Commissioner of Deeds in Albany.

DECLARATION
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress, passed June 7, 1832.
STATE OF NEW-YORK, COUNTY of Albany - } ss.
On the fourth day of August 1832, personally appeared in open court, before the justices of the justices court of the city of Albany, now sitting, Richard Tillman a resident of the city of Albany in the county of Albany and state of New York aged Eighty two years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath, make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress, passed June 7, 1832. That he entered the service of the United States, under the following named officers, and served as herein stated; that in the year 1775, he went as a volunteer militia man, and served on a tour of duty, to Johnstown, then in Tryon (now Montgomery) County to disperse the Tories and adherents under Sir John Johnson. In the year 1776 he served as a sailing master on board the Schooner Liberty commanded by Capt. Isaac Simmons, under Commodore James W. Kepp on Lake Champlain, and remained in that service until the month of December following. In the year 1777 he went up in the spring under the same officers as the year before, and in the same station of sailing master, at thirty dollars per month as wages, and remained in that service until after the capture of Burgoyne and his army at Saratoga. That in the year 1778 he was employed with a sloop of about 63 tons burthen of which he was pilot, in the service of the public, in transporting public stores between Fishkill and Albany. In 1779-1780-1781 and 1782 he was still engaged in the public service, during the whole of the campaigns of those years respectively, sometimes as a Confidential Messenger; and sometimes in scouting parties on the frontiers, and very frequently on militia duty as Guard. In all which services he was actually engaged for a period of full four years
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state.
Sworn to and subscribed, the day and year aforesaid.
J. G. Watson Clk.
Richard Tillman
WE and
a Clergyman, residing in the residing in
who has sub- scribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed, the day and year aforesaid.
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them, that _____ who hath signed the preceding certificate, is a Clergyman resident in the _____ ; and that _____ who has also signed the same, is a resident of the _____ and is a credible person, and that their statements are entitled to credit.
I John G. Watson Clerk of the Justices Court of the city of Albany DO HEREBY CERTIFY , that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of said Court, in the matter of the application of Richard Tillman for a pension.
IN TESTIMONY whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this 4 th day of August - A. D. 1832 -
J. G. Watson Clk.

 County of Albany ss. The supplementary Declaration of Richard Tillman who is an applicant for a pension as a Sailing Master, in the service of the United States in the Revolutionary War, and who now makes the following Supple- mentary Declaration, Confirmatory and explanatory of his former Declaration as with him set forth: That in 1776 I entered on board the Schooner Liberty a vessel the building whereof, was commenced by Major Skene, a British officer, who intended her for carrying iron from Skene'sboro' to St. Johns in Lower Canada, but who, at the commence- ment of the troubles with America abandoned the country and joined the British - where- upon the said Schooner was taken possession of by the Americans who completed her fit for service; and having been completed for they armed her with six mounted & six swinging swivels & named her the Liberty . General Philip Schuyler then Commanding the Northern Department, appointed Commodore James Wynkoop, her Commander; and thereupon Commodore Wynkoop, appointed Isaac Simmons and Captain of the Schooner and this declarer the sailing master in her at an allowance of twenty five dollars per month and the usual allowance of rations - and in the said Schooner Liberty I continued to perform the duties of a sailing master for full nine months: — In the year 1777 I entered into the United States Service, and was employed in building the Schooner George , a vessel of 130 tons at Lake George, which after being com- pleted, and furnished and equipt, was also placed by the commanding Genl. Schuyler, under the command of Commodore Wynkoop, and Isaac Simmons appointed by the said Commodore as her Com- mander, and this declarer, as as her sailing master at the compensation of $30 per month. In 1778, he and the said Captain Simmons were employed by Col. Morgan Lewis, then Quarter Master General in the United States Service, to sail a Sloop owned by them called the  Industry which had formerly been owned by Michal Hoffmaagle, who resided at Sandy Hill, and in consequence of his joining the British, his property, including the said Sloop Industry became Sequestrated, and became the property of the United States; that the said Quarter Master General Lewis appointed the said Isaac Simmons as Captain of the said Sloop and this declarer as her pilot; and that in that grade, he served nine months: In 1779 — 1780 — 1781 & 1782. this Declarer ser- ved as a private militia man, and performed actual and valuable, and often ha- zardous service, in apprehending, and bringing to condign punishment, those persons called tories , or who were disaffected to the American Cause; and that in the said four years of the Revolutionary war he served as a private militia man under Captains, Wendell, Hun, Scott, and Price, and under the two latter as a drafted pri- vate, for a period of twelve months in all — Subscribed & sworn to the 5 th Nov: 1832. in Open Court John G. Watson Clerk
Richard Tillman J.S.
Richard Tillman

No 3
Certificate of Justice Court - date of the death of Richard Tillman VC

State of New York
Albany Justice Court } ss. I, David Russell, Clerk of the Justice Court of the city of Albany (the same being a court of Record) do hereby certify, that it has been this day proved to the satisfaction of said court that Richard Tillman, late of said city of Albany deceased was a pensioner of the United States under the act of Congress of 7 th June A.D. 1832, That he died on the 13 th day of April 1837, in said city of Albany leaving a widow, whose name was Sarah, who also died on the 23 rd day of November 1837, that he left the following named, and no other children him surviving, to Wit, Westin Mc Michael, who died in the city of New York Mary Correen, who died in the city of Albany N.Y. Eliza Salina Evertson, who died in the city of N. York Thomas M. Tillman, who resides in Medina, N.Y. Angeline Smith, who resides in Glenville N.Y. Catharine Gifford, who resides in the city of New York Arae Ann Gifford, who now lives in the city of Albany Each of whom is over twenty-one years of age -
Witness my hand, and the seal of said court this 29 th day of October A.D. 1851
D. Russell Clerk

Whereas I, Ann Gifford, am the daughter of Richard Tillman who was a pensioner of the United States under act of Congress of 1832 at the rate of about $180. per annum, allowed him for his services as a Sailing Master in the War of the Revolution which said pension was suspended, and whereas I am advised that said pension ought to be restored up to to the day of his death and that the children of the said Richard Tillman are entitled to the amount due him, Now therefore I do hereby constitute and appoint Vincent Luce Esq. of the City of Washington My true and lawful attorney and agent, for me, and in my name, and in the name and behalf of all the children of the said Richard Tillman, to present and prosecute our claim to such amt of pension as we may be by law entitled to, Witness My hand and seal, at Albany this 29 th day of October A.D. 1851
Executed in presence of } Parker Sargent } Jacob Reed }
Ann Gifford
State of New York
Albany County 3 ss. On this 29 th day of October A.D. 1851, before me the subscriber a justice of the peace in and for said County, personally appeared Ann Gifford above named, and to me known and -

- acknowledge the foregoing power of attorney to be her act and deed.
Parker Sargent J.P.
State of New York } Albany County } ss.
Ann Gifford of the city of Albany in said County being duly sworn according to laws, doth depose, that she is a daughter of Richard Tillman who was a Sailing Master in the Revolution, and was allowed a pension on account of said service at the rate of about $190. per Annum. Which said pension was suspended, and that she is directly interested in the claim, and - application about to be made for a Restoration and increase of his said pension -
Sworn to and subscribed at the city of Albany, this 29 th day of October A.D. 1851, before me -
Ann Gifford
Parker Sargent J.P.
State of New-York, } ss. City and County of Albany, Clerk's Office, }
Robert S. Lay Clerk of the said City and County, do hereby CERTIFY that Parker Sargent, whose name is subscribed to the Certificate of Proof or Acknowledgment of the annexed instrument in writing and endorsed thereon, was, at the time of taking such Proof or Acknowledgment, a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid, dwelling in the said County, and duly authorized to take the same: And that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Sargent and verily believe that the signature to the said Certificate of Proof or Acknowledgment is genuine, and that the said instrument is executed and acknowledged according to the Laws of the State of New-York.
In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed my official seal, this 29 th day of October 1851.
R.S. Lay Clerk.

Rev. War Section.
August 30, 1916.
Mr. Henry S. Derritt, 554 Hudson Avenue, Albany, New York.
Sir:-
In response to your letter dated the eighteenth instant you are advised that from the papers in claim Survivor's File No. 11178 Rev. War, it appears that Richard Tillman applied for pension August 4, 1852 while a resident of the city of Albany, New York, and eighty-two years of age.
He stated that he volunteered as a Minute-man in 1775, and marched to Johnstown against the Tories under Sir John Johnson, length of service not stated.
In 1776 He was Sailing-Master, on board Captain Isaac Simmons' schooner "LIBERTYner "LIBERTY", under Commodore James (Jacobus) Wynkoop, on Lake Champlain, and served until December.
In the Spring 1777, he was employed in building the schooner "George" at Lake George, and was appointed Sailing-Master thereof, under Captain Simmons and Commodore Wynkoop until after the capture of Burgoyne.
In 1778 he served as Pilot on Board the sloop "Industry" commanded by Captain Isaac Simmons, under Colonel Morgan Lewis

Quartermaster General , transporting public stores between Fishkill and Albany; nine months.
He further stated that he served during the campaigns of 1779, 1780, 1781 and 1782, as a Private, under Captains Wendell, Hun,,Scott and Price, sometimes as confidential messenger, was in scouting parties on the frontier, and on militia duty as Guard.
He was placed on the pension roll May 3, 1833, but payment of pension was suspended September 6, 1834, it being claimed that the allowance was an error, as the services rendered were not considered as actual military and naval service coming within the provisions of the Act of June 7, 1833 under which he applied.
Richard Tillman died at Albany, New York, April 13, 1837, and his widow Sarah died November 23, 1837.
In 1851 it was stated that Richard left the following children: Thomas M. Tillman a resident of Medina, New York; Angelina Smith a resident of Glenville, New York; Catherine Gifford a resident of New York City; Ann Gifford a resident of Albany, New York; and Hester McMichael who died in New York City; Mary Correen who died at Albany; and Eliza Salina Evertson who died in New York City.
Very respectfully,
Commissioner.

Copy
Navy Office Oct. 10. 1837
Sir
The claim of Richard Tillman whose case is referred to in your letter of the 5 th inst was for 4 mo service as a sailing Master on board the Schooner Liberty. Capt. Timmons, Commodore Wylkoop in 1776 on Lake Champlain a term of service in building the Schooner George in 1777. 9 mo as a Pilot on board the Sloop Industry in the employment of the Dept. 2 Mo Gen. Lewis. About 12 mo as a private in the Militia in 1779. 1780 1781. 1782 Officers not mentioned
It was found on a reexamination that there was no evidence in the Dept. to support the claimant's statements in regard to Naval service on Lake Champlain, his pension was therefore suspended for further proof.
The Schooner Liberty as appears by the return of Gen. Gates was not in full on Aug 1776 rigged and it may be added that that vessel was not in the action with the enemy which took place on the

11 Oct following which resulted in the capture of the American Squadron Naval Squadron on the Lake and that there were  no such Officers in the Continental service  Naval service on the  Lake as there described
The claimants statement in relation to service in the Militia is wholly indefinite, the names of his company and regiment officers are not given without which there could be no satisfactory investigation
If the service as Pilot in 1778 alleged to have been rendered under 2 Rev Gen Lewis was Continental evidence of it may be found by applying to Gen Lewis
Hon Albert Gallup House Reps NY

Richard T. Gillman S. File 11178
Copy of a return of the flotilla on Lake Champlain, made by Gen. Gates to the President of Congress in 1776, has been removed from this case for the purpose of transferring the same to the War Dept. at some future time, and placed in safe in room of Chief of O. N. and N. Div n March 27, 1905. F. B. Foth, Ex.

Carded. [6-200.]
No. 8969
1916 Aug. 30. Hist. to Henry S. Dermott. $
Re-Issued.
File No 11,178
Name: Richard Tillman Rank: Sailing Master Comp'y: _____ Reg't: Scotia Liberty
} Agency.
RATE PER MONTH, AND DATE OF COMMENCEMENT.
1st Issue. { _____ Comm'g _____ 2d Issue. { _____ Comm'g _____ 3d Issue. { _____ Comm'g _____
DATE OF CERTIFICATE, AND TO WHOM SENT.
1 st Issue. { _____ Sent to _____ _____ 2 d Issue. { _____ Sent to _____ _____ 3 d Issue. { _____ Sent to _____ _____
Oct 14th July, 1862. Bk. G., Vol. _____, Page _____
Registering Clerk:

Oct 6
Inab- my
Richd. Garrison Fillmore
L. Edwards Esq.
Cour t of Pensions
Washington
Am
St. Louis
Hon. A. Gallup MR

N. H. Oct 5th. 1897-
My Dear Sir-
You will recollect that I called upon you this morning in relation to the pension of Richard T. Mearns - My reference to the letter of Mr. T. Mearns (which I accidentally left on my table) It seems that his pension has been discon- tinued. He asks me to ascertain the reason - He says "I was a sailing master on the lakes & was entitled under the act of 1882 to $185 per year - I drew first in June 1883. also in the Sept. & March following. I was then written to to send my certificate to be corrected. I sent it as per request. The department have neither sent me my certificate nor any money since. I have however been written to that I am not entitled to any thing under the act of 82. but no reasons were assigned why or wherefore I was not so entitled."
I am acquainted with Mr. T. Mearns & know him to be a worthy & a gentleman. Of the merits of the case I know nothing. I trust his inquiries will be answered. If I address this to the wrong branch of the depart- ment Mr. Edwards will confer a personal favor upon me by giving this a proper direction. H. Burrows Gray Washington Albert G. Cummings

Richard Tillman
Sept. 6. 1834
G. C.
Buora Vol 21 page 374
G. P.

War Department Pension Office Sept. 6. 1834
Sir,
You are requested to return your pension Certificate under the act of June 7 th 1832 to this office in order that an error may be corrected
W. Richard Tilleman Albany New York

1776 Revolutionay service of Richard Tillman 9 months Sailing Master, Capt Isaac Simmons Commodore Wynkoop. Schooner Liberty 1777 4 & 16 days Sailing Master. Capt Isaac Simmons Schooner George. Lake George 1778 9 months Pilot Sloop Industry. Capt Isaac Simmons. Quarter Master Gen. Department, Gen. Magram Lewis 12 mo Private in the Militia under Capt Harn Capt Price & Capt Scott. in 1779. 80. 81 & 82
The late Pensioner Richard Tillman was in May 1833 allowed a pension for 9 months service as a Sailing Master, and 15 mo as a private in the Militia: It was soon after discovered that he had been allowed for 3 months service in the Militia more than was claimed: He was therefore directed to return his pension Certificate in order that the error might be corrected: The Certificate was returned but not restored to the pensioner: The late Commissioner of Pensions, in his last report on the subject, in a letter addressed to the Hon. Albert Gallup, under date of the 10 October, 1837 assigns various reasons for not resuming payment.  3
First That on a re-examination it was found that there was no evidence to support the claim to Naval service, there being nothing to show that the Officer specified, was in the Continental service, on Lake Champlain: That the pension was therefore suspended for further proof
Second That the Schooner Liberty was not in the Naval engagement which resulted in the capture of the

Naval force on the Lake
Third . That the service as a Pilot in the Quarter Master Department, if Continental, evidence of it might be had by application to Gen Lewis
Fourth That the service in the Militia was too indefinitely set forth, the Company and regimental officers not being specified
First
Proof, character of the Naval service on Lake Champlain See American Archives 5 th Series 1 Vol page 797. Copy
List of Continental Armed Vessels on Lake Champlain Aug 5. 1776
Names of Vessels
  Schooner Royal Savage Capt Wyukkoop Duluth   Sloop Enterprise " Dickson   Schooner Revenge " Seaman   do Liberty " Paine almost ready   Gondola New Haven " Mansfield Duluth   do Providence " Simmons   do Boston " Sumner   do Sulpfin " Allman   do not rig d   do Spanish built not rig d 
See also Certificate of the Secretary of State Inverness containing another List of Vessels on the Lake dated Aug 28 th 1776 -
See American Archives Vol 6 page 1113 Let of Gen Schuyler to Gen Washington dated May 10 1776 Capt Wyukkoop and his

Sailors are at Ticonderoga 11
See Am Archives 5 th Series Vol 1 page 653 Lieut Curtis with his Gang of Ship Carpenters are to remain at Ticonderoga under the direction of Commodore Wm. Root.
See Certificate of Reg t of the Treasury Committee: Capt Isaac Simmons in the meritorious service in Nov 30 th 1776 - See Note 1
The presumptive evidence against  against the service in question arising from the fact that the Schooner Liberty was not in the Naval engagement which as the Commissioner says "resulted in the capture of the Naval force on the Lake" is rebutted by the record evidence cited below.
The Naval engagement between Gen Arnold and Gen Carleton took place on the 11 th October. The day previous the 10 th the Schooner Liberty had been despatched from the Isle Vulcano to Ticonderoga for Provisions and was at Ticonderoga at that time. See Am Archives 5 th Series Vol 2 nd page 982. Lt. Gen Arnold to Gen Gates 10 Oct 1776 - Gen Gates to Gen Arnold Oct 12 th 1776. Same Series Vol page 1077
The Naval Engagement referred to did not result in the capture of the (entire) Naval force on the Lake See Sparks Life of Arnold. American Biography Vol 3 page 79. "The same night he (Gen Arnold) arrived at Ticonderoga and found there the remainder of his fleet being 2 Schooners, 2 Galleys, One Sloop and One Gondola" Where they, together with the Liberty remained under the walls of that Fortress until taken by Gen Burgoyne on the 6 th July 1777
Third. The service under 2 Masters Gen Lewis. Of

Continental DC See original letter of Gen Lewis Jan with - Note the parts underscored with a pencil all those Vessels on the Hudson River engaged in the transportation of Military Stores DC were in the regular service of the United States
Fourth The Company Officers under whom the service in the Militia was rendered, are specified
The amount of pension justly due the children of the deceased is for
13 1/2 months as Sailing Masters
9 " " Pilots
1 1/2 " Private in the Militia, 12 months
2 years
Note 1. Congress direct Gen Schuyler Oct. 10. 1776 to procure a sufficient number of larger Vessels on the Lakes to secure the navigation thereof; See Am Archives 5 Series Vol 2 page 1395. under this authority, the building of the Schooner George was commenced
List of Documents inclosed
No 1 Certificate of the Secretary of State
2 do of the Register of the Treasury
3 do date of the death of the Prisoner
4 Original Letter of Gen Lewis
Final Sum
100 DC
J. E. Hunt Esq., Comm'r Pensions
Feb 25 1852

War Department Pension Office
(Octob 10. 183)
Sir The claim of Richard Tillman, whom case is referred to in your letter of the 8th inst. allowed in
May 1833, was for nine months service as a Sailing Master on board the Schooner Liberty. Captain Simmons. Commodore Wykoff in 1776 on Lake Champlain - A term of service in building the Schooner George on Lake George in 1777 - term of service
as a pilot on board the Sloop Adams  in the employment of Dep. Quarter master General Lewis - about twelve in the employment of Dep. Quarter master General Lewis - about twelve months as a private in the Militia in 1778 1779. 1780
1781 & 1782 officers not mentioned - It is very evident There is no evidence in the Department to support the claim of
from documentary evidence that the statement of the fact is incorrect as far as the character of his service is concerned  It was found in a representation that to the character of his service on Lake Champlain  there is no evidence in the Department in support of the claimants stated in regard to naval service
Her further proof The Schooner Liberty, as appears by the returns of Gen
Grates, was not in date as August 1776 rigged - The it may be added that that vessel
and that in a report of that name  was in the active service that took place  on the 11th of October following and which
admitted in the Captain of the American naval force
on the Lake and that there were no such officers in the Continental naval service of the Navy  on the Lake as there were described

at that period — As If the claimants statement in relation to service in the militia is wholly indefinable, the names of his company & regimental officers without which there could be no satisfactory investigation, are not given — If the service as a field in 1778 under alleged to have been rendered under the Quarters Master General Lewis, was continental, evidence of it may be found by applying to General Lewis
Hon. W. G. ... 10 Oct. 1837 O. C.
Ent. on the papers
Ad Albin Gullap Hann Rep US

Vinial Suee, Nov 16/52

Penna Office, Nov. 16, 1852.
Sir, In compliance with your request, I have my carefully examined the papers with the case of Rosana Tullman, who when perused under the act of June 7, 1832, was suspended on the 6 th of Sept. 1834, in connection with the additional testimony submitted by you, and have to state that tho' this office is now satisfied that the solcimer "Liberty" was a counterfeit vessel, it is unable to determine how long Tullman served in her. Tullman, in her supplemental declaration under the act of June 7, 1832, claimed to have been engaged as a sailing master on board of her for full nine months - but the present period of her appointment and that of her discharge is not when

Rules & Not disclosure, nor showing any Record or parole testimony filed in the case. I did, the only evidence adduced to show that he served as a sailing master at any any period, is contained in the affi- davit of James J. Wykkoop, who states that he had seen the muster Rolls of his grand-father Jacobus, a James Wykkoop, the officer under whom Tilton claimed to have served, and that they show that said Tilton was then rated as a sailing master; but the date of the muster Roll is not furnished. It is very clear, how- ever that any service rendered in the "Liberty" must have been after August 5, 1776; for at that date she was not ready, but "almost ready" for service. If Tilton, it was ad- mitted that Tilton was on board of her as a sailing master on the 22 nd 

of August 1776, the date of Genl Gates's return of the Artillery on Lake Champlain, which entitles the "Silent" to have no certain date to enable us to  determine decide when he left her. Your assumption that he served a board of her until the evacuation of Ticonderoga not only untrue,  is not sus-  tained by a single witness, or fact,  in the case [July 6, 1777] is not sustained by a single witness or fact in the case. or the contrary is as expressly contradicted by Tilton's not 1776 first declaration, in which he states, he served as a sailing master on board of the Schooner "Silent" until the month of December following. In the year 1777, he grew to be he went up on the Spring under the same officer, as the year before and in the same station as Sailing Master at $30 per month as wages and remained in that service until after the capture of Burgoyne and his army at Saratoga" [Oct. 16, 1777]. That this last alleged serve as a sailing

work was not included in the "Liberty" is also apparent from the States Tilton's statement in his supplemental declara- tion, in which after setting forth his service in the Liberty he stated, "That in the year 1777, I entered into the United States ser- vice and was employed in building the Schooner of up to 130 tons 'George' at Lake George," and in which the service or service work after she was equipped. Thus it is now beyond all cavil or doubt that he could not have been in the "Li- berty" at the erection of Ticonderoga, and that any service in her must have commenced on, or about, the 22 d of August 1776, and ended on with "the night of December following" - in all, 3 months and 9 days. But even if you supposes, Tilton as new then Ticonderoga feels new not then constructed, we could not as you will see, make them the last ground for service - for all ears the present

found of some must be particularly set forth just and sustained by competent proof in Record proof. The sum claimed in the Grey, is also sustained by proof, and rests merely upon a declarant's statement. If the sum a collateral issue is could be doubtless, shown by Record testimony, as could the fact, of that Tilton was the party noted in 1777, and the correspondence Letter Grey, when she was placed in Comstock, and since long she served in her.
The next sum claimed in your administration letter of the 25th of February last, is nine months in 1778, as a debt to the estate "Fanny," which is alleged. This sum was disallowed when the claim was originally admitted, and is  to like the sum claimed as being un supported by either proof in Record proof, on the ground that it was not within the meaning of the per issa laws.

Like that claimed as a Salary Master, it was not properly set forth, nor was it sustained by a particle of parole or Record proof. In the letter of the office of the 10 th of Oct. 1887, to the Hon. A. Galt, relating to the sus- pension of Tillman's claim, it was, however, suggested that, if it was con- sidered, evidence of the fact might be obtained on application to Genl. Morgan Lewis, formerly D. Q. M. Genl. of the Recruiting Army. It does not ap- pear, from the papers in the case, that application was ever made to Genl. Lewis. But you rely upon a letter from that gentleman, dated New York Dec 7, 1887, and filed by you to show that it was military. That letter has no connection whatever with the present claim and is only to the subject of your entirely irrelevant. There is not being the slightest reference whatever to "New York" or the Hudson River in (over)

gaged in the transportation of military stores". It refers solely to certain per- sons named in a letter-book of the late Henry Glen, A. Q. Master

7 to Genl Lewis, who commanded companies of United Battery  teammen . We are properly furnished with that dis- cipline of service, and if we had re- garded the same as pilot a load of the "Industry" of that character we would not have asked for the opinion of Genl Lewis. The "Industry" was, probably, a hired transport, and was em- ployed for the trip, a voyage. The collects for the office of the Register of the Treasury, dated Feb. 7, 1852, and pled in the case in no degree upon the reference - for it merely shows that Isaac Simmons was paid $600 for the re- maining service in the 30 th of Nov. 1776 - his Tillamook service as pilot is claimed to have been rendered in 1777 1778! two years subsequent to the period Captain Simmons, admitting them to have been on the same party, was engaged in the remaining service. For It is merely therefore, upon this service claimed as

a pilot can be admitted, to show, if about proof, that the Industry was a steamer. Sailing in the Delaware Water Gap De- partment, and that Tillman served in her as pilot, in virtue of an appoint- ment as such, and also how long he served.
The objectors stated in the letter of this office of the 10 th of Oct. 1837, as to the matters now claimed by Tillman, main- in full force - no testimony whatever having been filed by you in relation to it.
Wm Luce, Esq. Present.

No 11 Letter of Gov Lewis

Having had the misfortune of losing all my documents relative to the transactions of the war of the revolution I can only refer to memory by the destruction of my dwelling house with its contents, about four years since I must resort to memory principally for such as may be brought to my recollection. Such recollection has been greatly assisted by a careful examination of the Letter Book of the late Henry Glen, as mentioned in the deposition of Giles F. Yates to which this statement is annexed. The most of the facts referred to in said Book I am satisfied are correct, and the several persons therein named, as commanding companies of Batteauxmen enlisted in the service of the United States, and placed under the immediate Order of said Henry Glen who was one of my Assistants in the Quarter Master Generals Department were actually in such service as therein described. I also recollect that John Huns a Captain of one of the companies was named Huns, whose christian name was I think John. That said Company was principally employed on the Hudsons River, and I presume was one of those only occasionally transferred to the Mohock River which may account for his name not appearing in said Letter Book. — I do not hesitate to give as my Opinion that such was the Character of the late Henry Glen, that his statements on all occasions were entitled to the most perfect credence. That he possessed the confidence of the Government and its Officers civil and military — as evidences of which I recollect that at the

Indian treaty held at Sandusky after the war he was appointed by the Congress of the U. S. as the director and provider of transport supplies &c a for the commissioners: - and at the commencement of the last war he was one of the first appointments made by the Secretary of War, in the Quartermaster's Department. Mr. Glen has also been elected since the war a Representative to Congress from the State of New York.
New York 7 th Dec r 1837.
Morgan Lewis. late D. Q. M General in the war of the revolution and Q uarter M aster . General and Major General in the war of 1812.

No 2 Certificated of the Regula of the Treasury

Sundries in old emigration. Dr. To the Northern Department
Capt. Isaac Simmons 1776. } For amount paid him for the recruiting service $600. Nov. 30 }
Treasury Department Register Office Feby 7.7. 1852
I certify the above to be a true extract from the Revolutionary Records of this Office
N. Sargent Regula

Rich d Gilman
Immediate atten n N.Y. Rec d Aug 5 1836
Mr. Lee
James L. Edwards Esquire
Commissaire of Pensions War Department Washington D.C.
PAID
Free G. Manning

James L Edwards Esq
Sir
The enclosed affidavit of Isaac van Wie who has long been a claimant for pension is sent on his application to enable you to come to a definite conclusion on his case - His Agent says that it may not be admitted because the Clerk does not certify that the Commissioner is duly authorized - To obviate this difficulty should it be such I certify that he is duly & legally authorized and appointed and that his signature is genuine - Let me on his behalf ask your early disposition thereof -
Another of those old veterans has been with me this morning and urged with much force upon me the propriety of asking the reasons for his being stricken off the pension roll, professing most solemnly that all his declarations in the case are parts correct. I speak of Richard Tillman who is now Ninety Years old very poor and infirm - His daughter who was with him says that they cannot find the Certificate and that it is more than probable the old man has hid it somewhere that it might not be taken from him - I have no wish to meddle with these matters I can assure you still I cannot

visit the importunities of the family and friends of this old man, to ask of you what is necessary to restore him to the pension roll or whether his deposition has been invalidated and in what respect - Do me the favor to commu- nicate to me on this subject also as early as your convenience will permit and believe me
Always respectfully
Yours
S. Manning
Waverly 11 Aug 1836.

New York April 24. 1852
Gen Washington to Gen Schuyler
Sir
Inher this my Granted a Warrant unto Capt Jacobus Wykloof for two hundred and seventy-six and two thirds dollars being for a monthly allowance to him his officers and men who are to serve on the Lutter at the rates following
Captain at $32 Three Mates 15 One Boat swain 15 Three Boatswains/Mates 9 1/2 20 Seamen 8 One do 6 $ 276 2/3
Alma Archives Archives
4 Series Vol 5 page 1053

Albany August 24, 1835.
James L. Edwards Esq. Comm'r of Pensions,
Sir, At the request of Richard Till- man, a suspended pensioner, I enclose his pension Certificate which you requested him in your letter of the 6 th inst last, to transmit to you - It has been delayed, I presume, from ignorance or inadvertence on his part -
I am, Sir, very respectfully
Sir, very respectfully Your obed t Serv t
L. Jenkins

Washington Nov 15. 1852
Sir On the 10 th Nov 1837 application was made on the part of the children of Richard Tillman dec d for the amount of pension due the pensioner at the time of his death. A pension certificate was issued in this case on the 3 rd May 1833. In 1834 the pensioner was required to return his pension certificate in order that an error might be corrected. Instead of correcting the error and returning a new Certificate the pension allowance was suspended. The Commissioner of Pensions in reply to an application made by the Hon Albert Gallatin to have payment of Tillman's pension renewed states in his letter on the subject under date of the 10 th Oct 1837 that the suspension would be continued for further proof; that in order to sustain the claim to Naval service alleged by the pensioner it must be shown that the Officers under whom the service was rendered were officers in the Continental service and that the service in the Quarter Master Department was continental.
On the 12 th February last. evidence establishing the character of the Naval service in question as well as that in the Quarter Master General Department was produced.
Notwithstanding its claim to priority, it is believed that a great many claimants have in the meantime been disposed of not one of which it is confidently expected could have found stronger and more urgent claims to prompt attention.
Respectfully
J. E. Heath Esq., Compt r Pensions
Your Ob t Serv t V. Luce

Payments to be made at New York — by the Freed. U S Br. Bk Agent for paying Pension- ers, in the Agency of
New York
Recorded in the Pension Of- fice, in Book E Vol. 4 Page 32 by Ino Cromwell Clerk.

WAR DEPARTMENT.
Revolutionary Claim.
I certify that, in conformity with the law of the United States of the 7th June, 1832, Richard Sillman of the State — of New York — who was a Private Sailing Master in the Army & Navy of the Revolution is entitled to receive One hundred & eighty five dollars  xxx  xxx per annum, during his natural life, commencing on the 4th of March, 1831, and payable semi-annually on the 4th of March, and 4th of September, in every year.
Given at the War Office of the United States, this 3 d day of May — one thousand eight hundred and thirty-three.
J. P. Kirtland
Secretary of War.
Examined and Countersigned. §
J. Edwards
Commissioner of Pensions.

J L Edward Commis n of Pensions
Hon. G. Y. Landung H.R.
Mr Richard Tillman Albany New York
Richard Tillman 8409 Mary Ann 1849

War Department Pension Office Sept. 6 th 1834
Sir,
You are requested to return your Pension Certificate, under the act of June 7 th 1832 in order that an error may be corrected
Respectfully
Your Obl serv J L Edwards
Mr Richard Tillman Albany New York

Elizabeth Campbell Ad 1838 suspended ✓ Diana Brink — " 1836 — do Sophia Smith — " " — do

Washington Nov. 8. 1857
Sir
Enclosed herewith is a Power of Attorney from Anne Gifford daughter of Richard Tiltman who was a prisoner under the act of June 7. 1837 and whose prison was suspended and as advised on her part wrongfully
An opportunity of examining the papers in this case is requested
Yours respectfully Vincent Luc
J. E. Heath Esq., Comm r Prisons

Washington Feb. 25 1852
Sir
Herewith enclosed are sundry documents, additional evidence relative to the claim of the children of Richard Tillman who was in his life time a pensioner under the act of June 7. 1832
It will be shown by the accompanying statements and proof that the late pensioner was justly entitled to a pension for at least 2 years revolutionary service; The main if not the only objection to the service in question, that in the Military department, raised by the late Commissioner of Pensions was the want of evidence of its being Continental: That fact however, the evidence now produced establishes beyond controversy
An early examination and report in this case is requested
Respectfully Your obedt servt Vincent Luce
J. E. Hunt Esq Comm r Pensions

Washington Sept 1. 1852
Sir. On the 6 th Sept 1834 the pension of Richard Tillman under the act of June 7. 1832 was suspended for the purpose of correcting an error in allowing for more service in the Militia than been apportioned.
On application in 1837 to renew the pension contained - The Commissioner of Pensions states, that "there is nothing to show that the Officer specified under the above the alleged service was in the Continental service on Lake Champlain"; and the suspension was therefore continued for further proof.
On that point if any thing further should be required in addition to what has been adduced in the way of proof, the letter of Gen Washington to Gen Schuyler under date of the 24 th April 1776 American Archives, 2 nd Series Vol 5. page 1053 to which you are respectfully referred, will doubtless be deemed sufficient.
Respectfully
Your Obl Serv t V. Luce
A. F. C. Trippell Esq. Acting Com r Pensions

Washington Sept. 13. 1852
3 A. Power of Atty from Ann Gifford one of the children of Richd Tillman was filed in the 8 th  Inst Nov 1857. authorizing an application for the amount of the father's pension under the act of June 7. 1832 due at the time of his death -
On the 25 th Feb last additional evidence was filed in this case
You will oblige the parties concerned in this application by having the case taken up and disposed of without further delay
Respectfully
Your Oblt Servt J. Luce
J. E. Hutton Esq. Comm re Pensions

Washington Sept 22 82
Sir
On the 13 inst I enclosed a reference to the American Archives, 4 th Series Vol 5 page 1053 in the case of Richard Tillman:
At the time the pension of Tillman was suspended, there was an impression in the Pension Office that Capt Jacobus Wynkoop was nothing more than a Miss Carpenter. Hence it was necessary that the character of the service should be authenticated as Continental
Respectfully
Your obed serv t
Wm Luce
J. E. Smith Esq. Comm r Pensions

Washington Oct 9. 1852
Sir
The claim of the Children of Richard Tillman in the course of examination by a Clerk who it appears resigned before it was concluded, is looked for with the greatest impatience. You will confer a favor on the parties concerned by causing the examination to be renewed without further delay.
Respectfully Yours &c Vincent Luce
J. E. Heath Esq. Comm rs Pensions

No 554 Hudson Ave Albany NY 18 Augt 1916.
Rev sec H.
Hon G. M. Salazar Com r of Pensions Washington D. C.
My dear Sir: I would be very grateful for any information you can give me of Richard Tilden Pr. & Sailing Master, in the Service of the United States Navy, Revolutionary war. Placed on the rolls May 3 1833. Commencement of Pension Mch 4 1831. With thanks for reply,
Yours very truly Henry Sage Dermott

Rev JH
No 554 Hudson Ave Albany Ny 13 Sept 1916.
Hon G. M. Salazar Commr of Pensions Washington D.C.
My dear Sir: I wish to acknowledge with thanks the receipt of your letter of 30 Aug 1916, relative to Richard Tilleman, serving in Rev. War. (Sur. File # 11,178 Rev. War. Application for Pension Made Aug 4 1832) If others have asked for information on this subject would you be so kind as to give me their names and addresses? With thanks for reply
Yours very truly
Henry Saye Derritt

Rev. War Section.
September 25, 1916.
Mr. Henry S. Dermott, 554 Hudson Avenue, Albany, New York.
Sir:-
In response to your letter dated the thirteenth instant, you are advised that an examination of the papers in the claim of Richard Tillman Sur. File No. 11178 Rev. War, fails to show that any information relative thereto, has ever been furnished to any one but yourself.
Very respectfully,
Commissioner.