Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 17,768, for David Sacia, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Sacia, David Susannah
N 17768
CONTENTS
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Albany New York Susannah Faccia of Montgomery in the State of N.Y. who was a _____ in the _____ com. by Captain _____ of the _____ com. by _____ in the _____ widow of David Faccia late a private in the Revolution (434)
Inscribed on the Roll of Albany at the rate of 12 Dollars 67 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1834.
Certificate of Pension issued the 31 day of Dec 1837 and sent Hon. J. Bruce House of Reps Arrears to the 4th of Sept 1836 $124.60 Semi-ant. allowance ending 4 Mar 37 11. 39 $136.01
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by W. H. Addison Clerk Book A. Vol. _____ Page 135 July 4, 1836

State of New York Montgomery County } ss. I do certify that on the 5 th day of November 1836 personally appeared before me William Mannell first judge of the Montgomery county courts (being a court of Record) Susanah Sacia of the town of Schoharie in the county aforesaid the widow of David Sacia and makes the following declaration on oath, to entitle her to a pension under the act of Congress of the 4 th of July 1836 - That her husband the said David Sacia died the 8 th day of March 1828 - That he was at the time of his death in the ninety second year of his age as this deponent has always understood from him and believes to be true - That this applicant was married to her said husband David Sacia in the year 1772 at the city of Schenectady, where she and her said hus- band then lived, and that soon after the commence- ment of the Revolutionary war her said husband was called into the service in the army of the Revolution as a private soldier - That she cannot state the precise times when he was so called into the service - but that she well recollects that he was several times called out and marched to Schoharie where he aided in keeping garrison in the Fort at Schoharie and also in the Fort at Middleburgh in Schoharie county which was then called the Upper Fort, while the one at Schoharie was called the lower Fort as she now believes - and that she has no doubt but that he rendered such services at said Forts as often as 10 or 15 times, during the said war in the capacity of a soldier - She well recollects that he stated that he was generally under the command of Col. Killey. She cannot state who was his captain in the service above named, unless it was Abraham Dothout of Schenectady as she has often heard him speak of his being with him in the service - She also remembers to have heard him state that Col. Willett was at the above mentioned Forts - She also recollects that her said husband whilst in the

service above named stated that he had been on express to Cherry Valley several times and that on one of those occasions he was taken prisoner by the Indians in company with Butler and carried to his camp, which, from his description, must have been somewhere near Bowmans creek in Montgomery county and from whom he escaped on the following night and returned to the service - and this applicant has no doubt but that her said husband remained in the service aforesaid from 20 to 40 days at each time - That her husband was also during the said Revolutionary war called into the service of the United States at different times to Johnstown, to Fort Hunter, to Fort Plain, to Fort Stanwix, Lake George, Schenectady and Albany and that he did on some of those occasions remain in the service as such soldier from one to three months at the time - She does not remember under what Officers except that she heard him at one time state that he was commanded by one General Gansevoort and at another time and she thinks at Johnstown in Mont- gomery county by Col. Willett - and she has no doubt but that he served as such soldier at the last mentioned places as often as twenty different times - and varying from ten to thirty days - and this applicant further declares that her said husband rendered considerable service for the Revolutionary army during said Revolution by drawing loads with his wagon and team from and to different military posts within the state of New York - She well recollects that he went several times to Lake George with loads - also to some of the other military posts above mentioned and that he was much employed in this way - and this applicant has no doubt but that he spent as much as 6 or 8 months in teaming for said army as aforesaid - that she remembers that he would not return home as soon as expected when he went to the different posts with loads and when asked the reason by this applicant,

would state that he had been pressed and detained by the American Officers at the different posts to draw wood and other necessaries for the army, which this applicant believes to be true - She well remembers that on one occasion when returning from Lake George he stated that the Indians had driven him from the usual crossing place of the North River - when he was compelled to swim the river with his horses and wagon to prevent his falling into the hands of the enemy - And she further declares that she has no doubt but that her said husband was engaged in the army of the Revolution during the revolutionary war, at least half of the time said war continued and that she believes that he rendered at least three years service to said army during said war as a soldier as aforesaid - That she remembers to have heard her said husband state that he had been in several engagements with the enemy during said war but the particulars of which she does not now remember, but she believes that one was at the Upper Fort in Middleburgh aforesaid, another at a place called Cobleskill in the county of Schoharie - that she has often heard her said husband speak of the bravery of one Timothy Murphy a rifleman who fought with him at the said Upper Fort at Middleburgh aforesaid under the command of Col. Zieley - She has no recollection that her said husband held any grade in said service except that of a private - That she this applicant has remained a widow ever since the death of her said husband and is yet a widow and that no application has ever been made but this for a pension for the services of her said husband, and that neither her said husband nor this applicant have ever been on any pension list of the United States whatever - and she further declares that she was 85 or 86 years old on the tenth day of May last - And she further declares that

she has no documentary evidence of such services what- ever - And that this applicant also relies upon the affidavits hereto annexed as evidence of the services of her said husband in said Revolutionary war -
Subscribed and sworn to the day and year above written
her Susannah X Maria Mark
Abraham Morell First Judge of Montgomery County Courts
And I do further certify that the above applicant is unable to appear in court to make her declaration for a pension by reason of bodily infirmity and that I know her personally and that her declaration is entitled to full credit - The word 'wood' was interlined and the word 'soldier' was written on an enclosure before execution -
Abraham Morell First Judge of Montgomery County Courts
State of New York
Montgomery County
Clerk's Office. ss. I, George D. Ferguson, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County, do hereby certify that Abraham Morell before whom the foregoing application of Susannah Maria purports to have been sworn, whose name is thereto subscribed & also subscribed to the foregoing certificate of infirmity of said Susannah, was on the date of said appli- cation first Judge of Montgomery County Court, & that his name subscribed as above mentioned is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the seal of my office this 19th November 1836
Geo: D. Ferguson
Susannah Maria's declaration for pension

This certifies that as appears from the Register of the Reformed Dutch Church of this city, David Sazia or as spelt in the Dutch language in said Register "David Seys" and Susanna Braet his wife, presented their child "Pieter" for baptism on the 4th day of April 1779, before the then pastor of the Church Barent Vrooman. And I further certify that the Record of marriages marriages for several years previous to and during the war of the revolution, which were solemnized in said Church or by the pastor thereof were very imperfectly kept, and that in consequence, no record of the marriage of said David & Susanna, as well as of many other persons belonging to said Church and congregation can be found. Given Schenectady Oct. 25, 1836
Jacob Van Vechten, Pastor -

754. 3. Sec.
Admitted
Private 6 mo 24 days
(Faint, illegible handwriting)
Hon Mr. J. Bovee House Rep, NY

State of New York
Montgomery County ss: David F. Laria of Canajoharie in said County being sworn says that Susannah Laria and David Laria named in the annexed declaration are his father and mother - that this deponent's father died at the time stated in the annexed declaration made by his mother, and that Susannah Laria his mother has remained a widow ever since the death of his father & yet is a widow - that this deponent has always understood & believes that his father & mother were married before the Revolutionary war and that they had two or three children before the termination of said war - and that the several affidavits hereto annexed of Schenectady Leek & Waller all allude to the father of deponent, also that there was during the said Revolutionary war no other David Laria in the State of New York as deponent has been informed and believes to be true - and further says not.
Subscribed & sworn this 18 th day of November 1836. before me
D. F. Laria
H. Van Alstine Justice of the Peace
And I certify that I am well acquainted with the above named David F. Laria and that he is a witness of Credibility -
H. Van Alstine Justice of the Peace
State of New York
Montgomery County ss: David F. Laria being again sworn says that Peter Laria named in the annexed certificate of the Rev. Jacob Van Vechten is the brother of deponent and that deponent has two brothers and one sister older than said Peter - and this deponent further says that his mother before marriage was Susannah Bratt the daughter of Ephraim Bratt of Schenectady and further says not -
Sworn this 18 th day of November 1836
D. F. Laria
before me
H. Van Alstine Justice of the Peace
And I certify as before that said Laria is a witness of Credibility -
H. Van Alstine Justice of the Peace

State of New York
Montgomery County
Clerks Office.
ss: I, George D. Ferguson, clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Montgomery County, do hereby certify that John T. Van Alstine before whom the foregoing affidavit of Frederick Wifler, and the two preceding affidavits of David T. Sacia purport to have been sworn, was on the dates of said affidavits a Justice of the Peace Commissioner of Deeds in and for said County & duly authorized to administer oaths; And that I am well acquainted with his hand writing & verily believe that his name subscribed to said affidavits & to the foregoing certificate of Character of said Deponents is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed the seal of my office this 19th November 1836
Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk
The words "Commissioner of Deeds" in the above erased & the words "Justice of the Peace" interlined by me.
Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS.
Washington, D. C., Jan 21, 1921
In reply to your request of _____, received _____ for a statement of the military history of David Saxe a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau.
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     July or Aug 1776 served at various times in all 2 or 3 years Pvt. Abraham Oothout Abraham Wemple Giele Willett N.Y.   ✓   ✓  
Battles engaged in, None stated
Residence of soldier at enlistment, Schenectady, N.Y.
Date of application for pension, Nov. 5, 1836. Her el. al.
Residence at date of application, Canajoharie, Montgomery Co., N.Y.
Age at date of application, She was b. May 10, 1750 or 1751
Remarks: Sol. x mar. in 1772 in Schenectady N.Y. where he then resided - at 92 yrs - Susannah dau of Ephraim Bradt of Schenectady. Sol. d. Mar. 8, 1825. A son "Peter" was baptized April 4, 1779 and in 1836 a son David F. testified that he had 2 brothers and 1 sister older than said Peter. No other names or family data given (* whose name in Dutch was Seye.)
Respectfully,
Commissioner.

Schenectady County ss John J. Schermerhorn of the City of Schenectady being duly Sworn says that he will be 73 Years old on the 23 rd day of January next that he resided within one mile of the said City of Schenectady during the whole of the Revolutionary war - that he was personally and intimately acquainted with David Garcia who resided during the whole of said Revolutionary war within about two miles of said City and about one mile from this deponent That this deponent was a soldier in the said Revolutionary army and was under the command of Captain Abraham Bothwell and that this deponent well recollects that said David Garcia was also a soldier in said Company commanded by Captain Abraham Bothwell - and that he the said David Garcia was frequently called into the service under said Captain during said Revolutionary war as a private soldier - this deponent remembers that at one time in the year 1782 he the said David Garcia served in said Revolutionary army at one time at a place called Vriellys Rapids on the Mohawk River and about 3 miles above the City of Schenectady for the term of two or three months - and this deponent further says that said David Garcia had the reputation of being a good faithful soldier - and that he was always ready and willing to enter the service in said army when required so to do - and this deponent has no doubt but that said Garcia rendered considerable service in the said army during said war - and this deponent further says that he also remembers that said Garcia during said war drew many loads for the army of the Revolution to different Military posts - he remembers that he drew loads to Lake George and to Fort Edward and other places - that this deponent was also well acquainted with Susannah Garcia the wife of said David Garcia during said Revolutionary war and before said war since - that this deponent remembers the time when she said Garcia was married although this deponent was not at said marriage, & deponent believes they were married a few years before said war commenced but how long deponent cannot say - and deponent further says that the Company of Capt Abraham Bothwell belonged to the regiment of Col. Abraham Wemple and of which Christopher Yates was Lieut. Col. and further

this deponent saith not— Subscribed & sworn this } John J. Schermerhorn 25 th Day of October 1836 }
John H. Van Eps Justice of the peace
And I certify that I am well acquainted with the above named John J. Schermerhorn and that he is a witness of credibility—
John H. Van Eps
State of New York
Schenectada County
Clerk's Office
I, Jonathan Burnham Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Schenectada County do hereby certify that John H. Van Eps before whom the foregoing affidavit of John J. Schermerhorn and the one preceding affidavit of John Loovl purport to have been sworn was on the date of said affidavits Justice of the Peace in and for the said County and duly authorized to administer Oaths; And that I am well acquainted with his hand writing and verily believe that his name subscribed to said affidavits & to the foregoing certificate of character of said deponents is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed my Official seal this 26 th day of Nov r A.D. 1836
J. Burnham Clerk

Schenectady County ss John Orel of the City of Schenectady being duly sworn says that he will be Eighty Years old on the Sixth day of March next that he the deponent was a Soldier in the Revolutionary War and that he served during said War - that this deponent served a portion of his time during said War in Schoharie County at the Fort called the Lower Fort at Foyes Kille - and this deponent well recollects David Garia and that he knew him intimately that said Garia resided about two miles from said City of Schenectady during said War - and this deponent says that said Garia belonged to a company of Militia Commanded by Captain Abraham Oothout during said War - that this deponent recollects of seeing said Garia in the service of the Revolutionary War "as a private soldier" at one time in the Year 1780 - at the Lower fort aforesaid in Schoharie County - this deponent cannot say how long they remained in the service at said fort at that time but thinks it was from two weeks to a month - that this deponent belonged to another company of Militia Commanded by Captain John Minderdown of Schenectady - that Captain Abraham Oothout is long since dead - this deponent has no doubt but that said Garia was a good faithful Soldier & that he was at all times ready & willing to render military service during said Revolution - nor has he any doubt but that he did render considerable service - that this deponent knew Susannah Garia the wife of the said David Garia and that they were married before the commencement of the said Revolution - and that he has been informed & believes that said David Garia has been dead several Years -
John Orel
Subscribed & sworn this 25 th Day of October 1836 before me -
Note the words " as a private soldier " Interlined before Execution
John H. Van Eps Justice of the peace And I do certify that I know said John Orel personally and that his affidavit is entitled to full credit and that he is reputable Oct 25. 1836 - John H. Van Eps

N. York Sasannah Lucia widow of David
Susp ?
See letter to D. F. Lucia
9. Dec. 1830
Lt. Hon. M. J. Boice - Jan 28 1837

J. J. Edwards in the case of the Widow Saucy —
call the attention of Com. to the affidavit of John Schumacher
Hn. M. J. Bovee HR

Copy
War Department
Pension Office
December 9 1836.
Sir,
The papers of Susannah Sacia, widow of David Sacia, have been examined and placed on file. The rolls of Captain Butland's Company from the commencement of 1779 to 1781, and the rolls of some of the Ensigns and Lieutenants belonging to the regiment, shew, that David Sacie, or Sacia, served, in all that time, one month and twenty days, in short tours, some of which did not exceed two days. The service previous to that time specified by one of the witnesses, amounts to five months and four days; in all six months and twentyfour days. If it should be insisted that the claimant's husband served longer than six months and twentyfour days, it must be made out by further proof.
I am, respectfully,
Your obt servt
(Signed) J. L. Edwards.
D. L. Sacia Esq Canajoharie, New York.

Free Garcia P. 1n 1/2000 Exclp Pric 1.12 2 Canajoharie
Dec 5
774-1-36 A. July 36 3 Sec
Hon J. G. Edwards Esq
Committee of Pensions
Washington City

J. L. Edwards Esquire
Winnetka November 30 th 1836—
My dear Sir
Enclosed I send You papers for a Pension for my Mother— She has obtained all the proof that can now be obtained— there are no other persons living who knew any thing about my father's services— there are one or two men who belonged to the same company but they are very old and their minds are gone— I think my father was amongst the best of Revolutionary Soldiers— My Mother tells me that he suffered greatly during the Revolution both in time of property— it is impossible for the witnesses whose minds are gone to relate with any degree of certainty all the services rendered— & it appears that the company to which my father belonged was often divided & sent to one place & part to another— My Mother's mind is still good & My opinion is that she falls short of stating all the services my father rendered— this is under the act of 4 th July 1836— My Mother is poor & has been dependent on me for the last 20 years— & I think that no one is more Washingtonian.
I am very Respectfully Yours—
D. F. Lucia
If You will pass on this case soon You will confer on the applicant a very special favor— Yours &c—
Lucia

State of New York
Montgomery County ss. Frederick Wellie of the town of Minerva in the county of Montgomery and State of New York aforesaid being duly sworn says that he is Seventy Nine Years old will be eighty the 15 th Day of December next that he was a Sargent in a company of Militia Commanded by Captain Abraham Dothout of the city of Schoharie during the whole of the Revolutionary war & that he then & during said war resided within a few miles of said city - that this deponent is now on the Pension list of the United States for the services he rendered in said war - that he this deponent was generally acquainted with David Lucia named in the annexed declaration and also with his wife Susannah Lucia before and during the whole of said war & that they the said David & Susannah his wife lived during the whole of said war within two or three miles from this deponent, and this deponent knows that they the said David & Susannah lived together as man & wife before & during said war & this deponent has no doubt but that they were married before the commencement of said Revolutionary war - that the said David Lucia was a private Soldier belonging to the same company of Militia to which this deponent belonged as aforesaid - this deponent remembers that in the Year 1776 and he thinks in the months of July or August the company to which deponent belonged Commanded by Capt. Dothout was ordered to Schoharie in the course of the Revolution that the said Lucia was with said company, & that the said company lay in garrison at the lower fort at Schoharie for some time, and deponent believes as long as 14 days before they were discharged and that the time in going & returning was as much as ten days - and this deponent further says that said Lucia remained in the service as a Soldier at Schoharie until the company was discharged as aforesaid - and that they were commanded by Col. Abraham Wemple as deponent believes - this deponent further says that during the same Year & he thinks in the month of November the said company was again ordered into the service of the revolution to Schoharie and that said Lucia again accompanied them as a private soldier when they again lay in Garrison at said Lower Fort for the period of from ten to twenty days - & that the time in going to & returning from said Fort was at least ten days - that in the Year 1777 the said company was in the month of June ordered to Fort George & this deponent has no doubt but that said Lucia went in company to said Fort where they remained in the service of the Revolution for six weeks when Burgoyne advanced
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upon the American Army & the American Army to which deponent said Lucia belongs retreating from Fort George to Fort Edward & from there to Fort Miller - and that a portion of the men who belonged to said company were then discharged to enable them to go home & cut & gather their harvest but whether said Lucia was so discharged or not deponent does not remember - that this deponent during the fall of the year 1777 followed training for the Government & did not go out with the company that fall but that deponent was informed & believes that the said company during that fall made one trip to Schoharie in the service & one up the Mohawk River in which they must have been out at least two months & deponent has no doubt but that said Lucia went with said company into the service on the two occasions above last mentioned - that in the year 1778 as deponent believes the said company went on two occasions to the upper Fort in Schoharie county to a place called Middletown & that said Lucia was in company & that the said company remained in garrison at each time at said last mentioned fort for from 14 to 20 days - & that they were from 8 to ten days in going & returning - that they were compelled to march by slow marches the road being bad - & that they were sometimes attacked by the Indians - and that one Col. Zieglers commanded said Fort - that deponent understands that said Willet was at one time at said Fort - when deponent said Lucia was there but deponent does not recollect of seeing him - that in the year 1778 the said company including said Lucia went from Schoharie into the service with Colonel Gannett or General Gannett to Johnstown in Montgomery County where they remained about one week - when the said company went in company with the Continental troops to a place called "Sachendaga" now called the Fish house in Montgomery County to build block houses for the use of the said Army where they remained 5 or 6 days when they returned home and that they were all of 14 days going & returning on the last mentioned tour - that said company was during the whole Revolutionary war at differ- -ent times called to the city of Schoharie to keep guard & that said Lucia was uniformly in this service - & that they were so on guard some times a day or two & some times 3 or 4 days & that the said company including said Lucia during the whole of said Revolutionary war were in the service at Schoharie on guard at least six months - & that in addition thereto they performed considerable service at

a place called Willeys Rapids about 3 miles above Schenectady - that in the Year 1779. as deponent believes at a time when Major Rapp burnt Butztown in Saratoga County the said Company was again called into the Service including said Laine when they went to Butztown & pursued the Enemy all night & till day light but did not overtake them & that they remained there 4 or 5 days & then returned home & that they were a fortnight in going staying & returning home - & that said Company in the Year when Lieut John Johnson burnt Schenectady & Florida & Charlton the said Company including said Laine went to Fort Schuyler & from there to Charlton & from there they went to Johnstown that they went out at this time about 3 weeks this deponent further says that said Company including said Laine went one time to Fort Plain & that deponent's brother went with them at the time the Indians burnt the houses in that quarter but the Year deponent does not recollect - that deponent did not go with them at this time & how long they were gone deponent does not remember - and this deponent says that said Company including said Laine was in the War of the Revolution more or less in the Years 1780 & 1781 & 1782 that this deponent remembers that in one of the last mentioned three Years, said Laine went in company with Col Willet to Oswego when they were gone at least 3 weeks - & that they were at least 14 days going & returning - that said Laine was a good faith- ful Soldier and was at all times ready & willing to serve his country - and this deponent further says that he knows that said Laine has remained a widow ever since the death of her said husband & that she is yet a widow - and this deponent further says that he has no doubt but that said Laine performed much Service during the said War in the army of the Revolution which deponent cannot now remember & that it often happened that said Company was divided and a part of them went to one place in the Service & the other part to some other place - and this deponent has no doubt but that said Company including said Laine during the whole of said Revolutionary War served in said War in all more than two Years - and further deponent says not -
Subscribed & sworn this 17 th day of November 1836 - before me - J. P. M c Alpine Justice of the Peace
Frederick Willet
And I certify that I am acquainted with the above named Frederick Willet -
(over)

and that he is a virtue of credibility - that the words "they were out at this time about 3 weeks" were interlin- ed before execution
John Alvin Durand of the Peach

1921, Jan. 21 Hist. to Helen A. Smith - Ev.
Rev WIDOW, &c.
File No. 17768
Susannah Lucia
Wid. of
David Lucia
Private Rev. War.
Act: June 7, 1832
Index:—Vol. M , Page 189
[Arrangement of 1870.]

112 WEST ADAMS STREET CHICAGO
✓ 29 stamp
Rev cur
HELEN A. SMITH
Dec. 13, 1920.
Pension Bureau, Washington, D.C.
Gentlemen:
Will you be good enough to tell me whether or not you have any records showing that Mrs. David Sacia (Susanna Bratt Sacia) drew a pension after the Revolutionary War and if so, what place of residence was given?
Thanking you, I am
Yours truly,
Helen A. Smith

DEC 17 1920 DIVISION