Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 4036, for Robert Ramsey, North Carolina

SERVICE
NUMBER
N.6
Ramsey Robert
S. 4036
CONTENTS

7414 West Tennessee
Robert Ramsey of Henry Co in the State of W Tenn who was a private in the company commanded by Captain Bartlett of the Left commanded by Gen Richardson in the S. C. line for 11 mos & 24 ds
S. C. W. Tenn. Line. Records etc. etc. etc.
Inscribed on the Roll of W Tenn at the rate of 39 Dollars 30 Cents per annum, to commence on the 24th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 7 day of April 1833 and sent to John H Dunlop Paris
Arrears to the 24th of March 78.60 Semi-ant. allowance ending 24 Sept 19.65 $98.25
{ Revolutionary Claim, } • { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by Daniel Boyd Clerk, Book 6 Vol. 7 Page 94

11,130.
West
Robert Ramsey, of Henry County, Tennessee.
From 17 - points 11 with 26 days, 18 39. 30.
Col. Bartlett Gen. Richardson South Carolina
John H. Dunlop, Agent, Paris, Tennessee.

BRIEF in the case of Robert Ramsey,  of Henry County, in the State of Tennessee.  (Act 7th June, 1832.)
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? A court.  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?  3. How old is he?  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days. As a Gen.     In 17 3. pr. Capt. John Bartly &   Ent. Serv. Lieut. Henry Coffea,   Drafted. 3. " Gen. Richardson.   Vol. 1 " 12. "   Drafted. 1 " 12. " Capt. John Foster & Lieut.   Drafted 3. " Colonel Rogers & Gen.   " Griffith Rutherford.  
 5. In what battles was he engaged? None.  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Graveson County, N.C.  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Living witnesses & traditional evidence.  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? No. 
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
W. R. Turner, Examining Clerk.

State of Tennessee } September Term 1832 Henry County }
I Robert Ramsay of Henry county and State of aforesaid having appeared in open court and being solemnly sworn according to law do hereby make the following statement in order to entitle him to a pension under the act of Congress passed in 1832. That I entered the service of the United States as a drafts- man and served a three months tour under Capt John Barth - and Henry Coffee Lieutenant. in Graham county and State of South Carolina - that he went after the Tories principally - under Gen Rich- -ardson - he was again drafted for the same Term under the same officers to go to Charleston - he afterwards not released for six weeks to go again at the British - then he moved to Meck- -lenburg county North Carolina and was drafted to serve six weeks to keep down the Tories under Capt John Laseter and John Norton Lieutenant - he was again drafted for three months to go to Wilmington Capt John Rogers and Gen Griffith Rutherford - that he served out the whole of each Term and got -

same discharges - which have been lost - that he knows of no living man by whom he can prove his services except his Brother John Ramsey - whose affidavit is here enclosed. his name is not on the pension roll of any state in the Unit- -ed States and he hereby relinquishes all claim to a pension except the present sworn to in open court Sept. 7 th 1832 Thos. H. Porter clk
Robt his Ramsey mark
I hereby certify that I am well acquaint- -ed with Robert Ramsey and that he has always been spoken and considered from my first acquaintance with him as a revolutionary soldier - that he is an honest man &c
Richard Moore
and the said court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter - and putting the interrogatories prescribed by the war- -Department. that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he stated and the court further certifies that it appears to them that Richard Moore who has signed the preceding certificate is a gentleman and resident of said county - and a credible person and that his statements are entitled to credit
John Stradwick Pres Chairman of H is ury Com tee

State of Tennessee I Thomas K Porter Clerk of said Henry County p County Court do certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings in the matter of the application of Robert Ramsay for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of said court at office in the town of Paris the 13 th day of Sep- tember AD 1832 and 57 th Year of American
Independence
Tho K Porter CLK by B C Brown D CLK
11.156

widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau.
S 4036
Robert Ramsey
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     Drafted in Springfield, Ill. 3 mos John Rartly Ky   3 " " " "   6 weeks "   6 " John Foster "   3 mos John Rogers "  
Battles engaged in, _____  Residence of soldier at enlistment, 400 S. Main in Market, Ky 4036  Date of application for pension, Sept. 1, 1832  Residence at date of application, Henry Co. Tenn.  Age at date of application. ✓

1905 Oct 2, Heist. to H. De B. Wills 1911 Oct 26. " " S. S. McNinch c
Per Th...
4036
INVALID.
File No. 4036
Robert Ramsey Per. S. C. Line
Act: June 7, 1832
Index:—Vol. A , Page 308
[Arrangement of 1870.]
St. and H. Line. Records corrected Apr. 2, 1904 - a

BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims , of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Robert Ramsey , which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? etc. V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal?

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? No. I clergyman. XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? XIV. † If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? XVI. ‡ Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?
 EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words: "Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
†QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
‡QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
¶ In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

Waverly Stephens County S.C.
John Ramsey of Anderson County State of S.C. aged twenty three years states that he knows of his own knowledge that Robert Ramsey of Henry County in the State of Tennessee was a soldier in the Revolutionary War and this affair was drafted for three months in Georgia County in the State of South Carolina & served against the King commanded by Colonel Cunningham on which was called the Swony Campaign, they that is Robert Ramsey and this affair served in the company of Capt John Pearley then Lieut was by the name of Henry Coffey, Genl Cunningham was Adjutant and the whole commanded by Genl. Richardson of South Carolina
This affair further saith that Robert Ramsey was afterwards in the State of South Carolina where he then resided & drafted and served a term of three months as this affair believes under General Rutherford of S.C. State this affair is not certain as the length of the term

thereby it may then proceed as before stated - he does not recollect the names of his other officers This affidavit further saith that said Robert Hanes was again drafted in North Carolina aforesaid & served a term of six weeks under Capt. Foster and further this affidavit saith not subscribed & sworn to before the undersigned a justice of the peace in the State of North Carolina aforesaid the undersigned further certifying that the affidavit is a credible one - 20 th August 1832 A. Ashby, D.C.
Kentucky Hopkins County S.S.
I Samuel McAdams clerk of the County Court for the County aforesaid do hereby certify that A. Ashby Esquire before whom the foregoing affidavit appears to have been made and whose name is sub- scribed to the foregoing certificate, is & was at the time of subscribing said certificate a justice of the

Placed in for the said County duly commissioned and qualified I further certify that D. Ashley's signature to said certificate is genuine
In testimony whereof I have here unto subscribed my name and affixed the seal of said County the 14th 20th day of August 1830 and in the 41st year of the common wealth.
D. M. Woodruff

From 11154 to 11157 October 1. 1852
To J. L. Edwards Russian Agent Washington City
FREE

Dear Sir -
Paris Tex Sept 14 th 1892
Enclosed I send you several affidavits for pensions - you will see the affidavit of Edmond Prince & Mary Koba - financing William Batts service also John Ramsey affidavit financing the service of Robert Ramsey - also Thomas Mills and Elias Brannen declarations - I have also enclosed you 3 others - without any certificate from the Clerk - this was an oversight on me - and came in the hurry and confusion of business - during the setting of our court to wit John Palmer - Charles Byglos and some others not now recollected - to each of which you will find a few lines in my hand written with my name subscribed - those that have not the Clerk's certificate you will please return that I may have it annexed - and forward it again should it be deemed by you essential to have the Clerk's certificate - you will also find upon file the affidavits of several persons financing the service of John Palmer - when he made our application for a pension some 12 or 18 months since - a reference to those papers will satisfy you of the history of his claim -
Yours,
John H. Dunlop

1967
Raleigh, N.C. Oct. 18-1905
Mr. J. C. Davenport Dear Sir,
FIRST DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OCT 20 1905 U. S. PENSION OFFICE
I am advised by Attention and reply through desk. Mrs. Joseph J. Casey, Registrar. You'll for J. H. Davenport Daughter of the Revolu- tion, to apply to you for authoritative information in regard to services of sol- diers of the Revolution.
Please let me have your record of Elijah or Elisha Charles and of his son Leven Charles of Guilford Co. North Carolina. There are records in our Sec. of State's office of land grants to them in that county 1789 to 1789, & perhaps later. Elijah Charles died Nov. - 1830.
Please send also record of William Ramsey who was in Company of Light Arty.

Commanded by Captain Charles Polk from Mecklenburg Co. of Robert Ramsey possibly in same company
Of Frederick Scherer or Shurer of Guilford County, N.C. in  Raiburn Co. Of Jacob Scherer his father, and James Richerson of same section of N.C.
There are others whose military records I would like to ask of you but fear to ask you too much.
Very respectfully
Mrs Helen D. B. Wills
Genealogist for N.C. Society Daughters of the Revolution and Raleigh Circle Colonial Dames.

OCT 21 1905 B.

Charlotte Brick Company
S. S. McNINCH, PRES'T & TREAS'R
ALL CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS SUBJECT TO STRIKES, FIRES AND OTHER CONTINGENCIES BEYOND OUR CONTROL.
AGENTS NEW JERSEY TERRA COTTA CO. PRODUCTS
BRICK WORKS AND SHIPPING POINT GRATTAN STATION, S. C. ON CATAWBA RIVER, NEAR FORT MILL, S. C.
FREIGHT RATES BASED ON FORT MILL, S. C.
F. B. SMITH, CASHIER W. C. HINSON, MANAGER SALES
CHARLOTTE, N. C.
Oct 16th 1911
Commissioner of Pensions, Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir:-
Please furnish me with Revolutionary record of Robert Ramsey of Rowan, now Iredell County N.C. There were no doubt two Robt. Ramsey's, father and son. I desire record on both. I desire this for D.A.R. purposes.
Thanking you in advance for the favor I am ,
Yours truly,
F.B.S.
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