Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 23400, for Joseph Rose, Massachusetts

SERVICE
NUMBER
Mass
Rose, Joseph
S. 23400
CONTENTS

New York 28. 785
Joseph Rose
Atchenance lie in the State of New York who was a Private in the Company commanded by Captain Pettie of the Regt. commanded by Col. Pomeroy in the Massachusetts line for 11 months 15 days
Inscribed on the Roll of New York at the rate of 34 Dollars 99 Cents per annum commence on the 14th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 20 th day of June 1834 and sent to A. H. Maynard Sherburn N.Y.
Decurs to the 14th of March '34 $104.97 Semi-ant. allowance ending Sept. 4 '34 17.49 $122.46
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by Saml. H. Page Clerk Book E Vol. 4 Page 119

14344 Joseph Rose
Admitted Powell 10 mo 15 days
Ref'd E. D. Bangs Oct. 4 33
5-16-14 May 4-1833 P. 373
A. H. Maynard Shurton Chenango N.Y.

14. 344  BRIEF in the case of Joseph Rose  County of Chenango in the State of New York (Act 7th June, 1832.)
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Court  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity? —  3. How old is he? 71  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days.     Sub. Enlisted In 1776. 24 Decr. not stated Private Capt. R. Pettie, Col. Pomeroy   do. 1777 May 2 " do Capt. M. Harvey, Col. Wells   do. 1777 Sept. 3 " do. Capt. M. Harvey, Col. Woodbridge   do. 1779 Summer 1 " do. Genl. Gates, Genl. Warner   do. 1780 — 3 " do. Capt. Pierce, Lieut. Sloods  
 5. In what battles was he engaged? Saratoga —  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Hampshire Cty. Mass.  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Traditional  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? They are not attached to the seal as required. 
I certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
J. Waugh Examining Clerk. March 7. 1833.

Joseph Rose? Declaration
14344

Personally appeared before me the undersigned a Justice of the Peace of Sherburne, Chenango County, Joseph Rose of the place aforesaid who being duly sworn, deposeth and saith that by reason of old age and the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below and in the following grades; For three months I served as a substitute and for nine months I served as an enlisted soldier all of which service I served as a private in the ranks and for such service I claim a pension, and that I never did receive a written discharge to my knowledge. If I did I do not know by whom it was given nor what has become of it.
Sworn to and subscribed this 20 th day of June 1833 before me
Joseph Rose
Milo Hunt Justice
I hereby certify that I am well acquainted with Joseph Rose - that he a Respectable citizen - a man of truth and veracity and that full credit may be given to his statements
Milo Hunt J P
State of New York
Chenango County ss: I Saml H. Pike Clerk of said County certify that Milo Hunt is a Magistrate as above stated and that the foregoing two signatures purporting to be his are both genuine
Witness my hand and seal of office this 29 th day of June 1833 P. B. Prindle S te Clerk

State of New York - Chautauqua County ss: 3
On this sixth day of September 1832, personally appeared in open Court before Robert Moull Vice Chancellor of the sixth district in the State of New York at a Court of Chancery now sitting in the town of Sherburne, County and State aforesaid Joseph Rose, a resident of the town of Sherburne County and State aforesaid, aged seventy one years last December (1831) who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7. 1832.
* That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers, and served as under stated
He was born in Hampshire County in the State of Massachusetts in the year 1760, and resided there twenty three years - then moved into the State of Vermont - Bennington County resided there seventeen years - then moved to Chautauqua County, where he now resides, which was thirty one years ago -
His first service was in the years 1776 & 1777. He went as a Substitute for William Field, He started on this trip the twenty fourth day of December 1776. He remembers the day in particular because it was his birth day - the day he was sixteen years of age, and his first service, went under the Company got together at Montague under Capt. Reuben Pettie, Lieut. Alexander and Ensign Heat. Major John C Williams - Lieut. Col. Samuel Williams and Col. Pomeroy - Marched immediately to Peekskill on the Hudson River - Staid there until some time in February following

then marched to Morristown in the State of New Jersey. Staid there until his time was out then was dismissed and returned home.
His next service he enlisted for two months in the month of May 1777. in the town of Montague, under Capt. Moses Harvey; Col. Wells; Lieut. Col. May; Majr. Whitman; marched immediately up to Scoundaroga, State of New York was stationed on Mount Independence, now in Vermont State; four days before his time was out they left Mount Independence and retreated back to make room for Genl. Burgoyne and his Army. and kept on home
His next service he enlisted for three months the first of September 1777. in the town of Montague - under Capt. Moses Harvey, to go up to Saratoga to take Genl. Burgoyne - marched immediately to Manchester in Vermont, and halted there a few days - then to a place called Pollet, halted there several days - then to what is now called White Hall, then called Skenebury; halted there about two weeks - then marched back as far as Cambridge - went from there to Still Water - then joined Genl. Gates Army, he was in Col. Woodbridge's Regt. two or three days after they joined Genl. Gates Army they had their battle with Burgoyne's Army on what was called Bemis Heights - Col. Woodbridge Regt. that he was in, did not go into battle at all, they were stationed at the alarm posts - that night Burgoyne retreated to Saratoga, about eight miles, - a guard was then taken out of Woodbridge's Regt. to guard the Prisoners, taken that day, and he was one of the guard - the rest of Woodbridge's Regt. with Genl. Gates' Army

pursued the British on to Saratoga - the next day at night they were relieved from their guard and the next day went up the River to Saratoga and the next day joined their Regt. and in a few days more Genl. Burgoyne surrendered his Army up - in a short time after Genl. Burgoyne surrendered, the Regt. he was in with a Brigade of Militia under Genl. Warner marched down to Albany, from there down to New Windsor - then went on board of Sloops, and landed at Terrytown, and marched from there to a place called Peapdale (or some other dale ) three miles below the White Plains and staid there till the first of December and then he was dismissed, his time having expired he then returned home.
His next service he enlisted for one month in the summer of 1779. in the town of Montague aforesaid, under Capt. Elisha Lyman, marched to New London in Conn. were stationed there one month and then dismissed - Capt. Elisha Lyman who commanded the Company this time was a Lieut. in the United States Army at this time and was home on a respit , at this time, and while home at this time, took charge of this Company as Capt. in the place of Capt. Elisha Hunt.
His next service he enlisted for three months in the year 1780. in the town of Montague aforesaid, under Capt. Seth Piver, Lieut. James Lyman, March first to West Point, soon after he arrived at West Point, he took a Station Guard on Fort Putt for about a half a month, then joined the Regt. again, soon after this there was a party detached from the Regt. and put under Lieut. Ezeriah Alvord, and sent

down to Kings Ferry about twelve miles from West Point, to watch the movements of the enemy &c &c and continued there until his time was out when he was dismissed.
He has no documentary evidence of his services, nor does he know of any person, whose testimony he can prove who can testify to his service.
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any State the Agency of any State.
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
Joseph Rose
Robt. Ogden Vice Chancellor
Lyman S. Bufford a Clergyman residing in the town of Sherburne County of Chenango and State of New York and Milo Hunt, Alexander Holman and H. S. Fargo residing in Sherburne aforesaid hereby certify that we are well acquainted with Joseph Rose, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be seventy one years of age, that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a Soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
Lyman S. Bufford Milo Hunt
Robt. Ogden Vice Chancellor

And the said Court does hereby declare his opinion after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department that the above named Applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier and served as he states. And the Court further certifies that it appears to him that Lyman S. Rexford who has signed the preceding certificate is a Clergyman, resident in Shuburn aforesaid, and that Milo Hunt, Alexander Holmes, and A. H. Frazar, who have also signed the same are residents in Shuburn aforesaid, and are credible persons, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
Robt. Morell Vice Chancellor
I, Jonathan L. Woods Clerk of the Court of Chancery of the Sixth Circuit of the State of New York do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Joseph Rose for a pension.
In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal of Office this 6. day of September 1832. —
Joseph D. P. Hovey Deputy Clerk

Answer to Interrogatory, First. He was born in Hampshire County, State of Massachusetts in the year 1760, Second.
He has no record of his age except in the family Bible.
Third. He resided in Hampshire County when called into the service in the State of Massachusetts has since resided in Vermont State Seven- teen years, and thirty one years where he now resides in Chenango County, State of New York.
Fourth. He went into the service as a substitute and under an enlistment - Sub te for Wm Field. Fifth.
Capt s : Pitts; Harvey; Lyman; Paine; Col s : Williams; Pomeroy; Wells; Woodbridge Sixth
He never received a written discharge Seventh.
Milo Hunt, Alexander Holmes, Mills Landon Rev. Lyman S. Rexford.
Robt Morris Levi Chandler

information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau. Joseph Rose Sur. File 29400
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     Dec 24, 1776 3 mos. Pvt. Reuben Petty Pomeroy Mass.   May 1777 2 mos. " Moses Harvey Wells   Sept. 1, 1777 3 mos. " Moses Harvey Woodbridge   Summer 1779 1 mo. " Ebenezer Lyman Ebenezer Porter   1780 3 mos. " Seth Pierce Murray  
Battles engaged in, Stationed at Alarm Posts at 3 rd battle Bunker Heights Residence of soldier at enlistment, Hampshire Co. Mass. Date of application for pension, Sept 6 1832 His ch. was al. Residence at date of application, Shelburne Chautauqua Co. N.Y. Age at date of application, born Dec 24 1760 in Hampshire Co. Mass.
Remarks: died Aug. 19, 1840. *  No data as to family  * from Agency book

Brooklyn
23400 INVALID.
Rose
File No. 23,400
Joseph Rose His Res. Div.
Act: June 7 th 89 th
Index:—Vol. 2 , Page 344
[Arrangement of 1870.]
1909 June 24 High St Joseph Rose. V.L.C.

New York Revs
Jos Rose suspended let. A. K. Maynard 29 Oct. 33
Act. pl. June 32

Joseph Rose N.Y.
5. 16. 17
A. K. Maynard Morris Chenango N.Y.

BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of
Joseph Rose further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes
II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides?
yes
III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so?
IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served?
yes
V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled?
no
VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations?
yes
VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832?
yes
VIII. Has the Court given their opinion?
yes
IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate?
yes
X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal?
yes

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? yes
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? —
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? yes
XIV. † If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? —
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? —
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? —
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? —
XVI. ‡ Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? No
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? 2, 6, 7
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For — year — months, and — days, I served as a — For — months and — days, I served as a — ; and for such service I claim a pension.

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

BOSTON APR 7
By
A. H. Maynard Esq.
Sherburne
N.Y.

Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Secretary's Office, April 16 th 1834.
I hereby Certify, That, from an examination of the Books and Documents, relating to Military Services in the War of the Revolution, which remain in this Department, it appears that the name of Joseph "Rofs," as a private, is borne on a Pay Roll of Capt. Moses Harvey's Company, in Col. David Wells' Regt. where he is allowed from May 10 th to July 10 th 1777, for services and travel, two Months and ten days. — — — m d 2=10
Joseph Rose's name is borne on a Pay Roll of Capt. Moses Harvey's Company, in Col. Woodbridge's Regt. where he is allowed from August 22 d to Novem r 29 th 1777, for services and travel, three Months and seventeen days. — — — 3=17
Joseph Rose's name is borne on a Pay Roll of Capt. Elisha Lyman's Company, in Col. Elisha Porter's Regt. where he is allowed from July 25 th to August 31 st 1779, for services and travel, One Month and twelve days. — — — 1=12
Joseph Rose's name is borne on a Pay Roll of Capt. Seth Pierce's Company, in Col. Murray's Regt. 7=09

Amount brought over — m. d. where he is allowed from July 15 th to October 10 th 7 = 09 1780, for services and travel, three Months & six days. 3 = 6 Joseph Rose claims for services under Capt. 10 = 15 Reuben Petty, in 1776; but the roll he describes is not found in this Office.
Edward D. Bangs. Secy

Shurlynn N.Y. 30 Ml.
May. 5. 1832.
add. evidence for Joseph Rose off. St. L.
for
L. Edwards Com. of Pensions Washington

Shrewsbury April 29, 1854.
My Dear Sir Enclosed is all the additional evidence I am able to procure in the case of Joseph Rose. I trust it will be found sufficient. Yours Truly Abba K. Maynard Dr. Edward S

Buffalo, N. Y. June, 15, 1909.
Pension Bureau, Revolutionary Dept. Records.
I am looking for the record of Joseph Rose, Pension List 1840 - Erie Co.
Can you help me to complete this family record. I would like if possible the date of his death.
Very truly
M. A. Thompson. 135 Chester St.
23400