Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 7847, John Welch, Va.

SERVICE
NUMBER
Va.
Welch, John or Welsh
S. 7847
CONTENTS
Carded

6807 Virginia
John Welsh
Harrison in the State of Virginia who was a Private in the Company commanded by Captain Figgins of the Regt commanded by Col Gibson in the Virginia for 6 months
Inscribed on the Roll of Virginia
the rate of 20 Dollars _____ Cents per annum, commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 6 day of March 1833 and sent to Hon. J. Johns Clarkesburg Va.
Arrears to the 4th of Mar. '33 $40 Pensional allowance ending 4 Sep. '33 10 $50
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by Book
Vol.
Page
Clerk,
7
128

Lib Pui: aft. 10m arch 1865
off the roll 3 off ← just a list of names ordered
1 Goff
Von M. Patton July 30, 1860
Same lot 13/60
Enl.
19

There being no time to take copies of the papers in this case, the originals were this day sent to W. G. Singleton U.S.D.C. Atty for - Aug 9. 1834

John Welch. — Pen
Harrisburg
Fraud?  recovery
on

John Welch. draw of 20-
July 14. 1834 John Welch made the following Statement - he is in his 54 th year of age. - was raised in Orange County around to New Haven City - whilst there and during the war was engaged perhaps two weeks in guarding Prisoners from Frederick to Frederick said - can't tell in what year - that after this he was in Alexandria with a team belonging to a man by the name of James Gambley - he drove the team, the team was ordered to transport the Baggage of Genl. Gibson Regt. - he went with the team thru Fredericksburg as far as Washington, to Pennsylvania near Philadelphia. There left his load and returned home. was gone on this trip hard upon a month. - on his return was drafted for a two months tour. Marched from Frederick County to York town under Capt. Elgin was there at the defeat of Cornwallis. Found out the turn of the month came home. then closed his services - Jacob Gopelan wrote his declaration for him the same to New York. agreed to give him the first year draw. - Gopelan called on him to know if he had not been in the R. War. detected to him the same, also detected. - upon which Gopelan told him that he was entitled to a pension - I gave him his declaration in open court -
In testimony that this statement is true he hereunto subscribes his name.
Witnesses Nathan Goff. \frac{5}{3}
John Welch.
→ This is an honest man. Gopelan has deceived and deluded him
W. G. Grafton Nov. 18. 1834

September 20, 1934.
Mr. Frank Clay Cross 1114 Downing Street Denver, Colorado.
RA-J/MMHF/ILL John Welch S. 7847 aw
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the record of John Welch of Harrison County, Virginia, a Revolutionary War soldier.
The records of this office show that John Welch, or Welsh, was granted a pension of $20 per annum under the Act of June 7, 1832, for service in the Virginia troops, War of the Revolution. The pension certificate was issued March 6, 1833.
It is shown that the person who prepared the application for John Welch, or Welsh, for pension, incorporated statements therein which were not alleged by the old soldier, in order to establish a true claim, because he was to receive the first year's pension from the soldier as remuneration for his service in the preparation of the application.
The Act of June 7, 1832, required at least six months' service in a regularly organized military corps.
Upon an investigation of the matter by the United States District Attorney, all the papers in the original declaration were submitted to him and never returned, therefore, are not now on file in this office. In a report of said attorney, John Welch, or Welsh, then in his eighty-fourth year, stated July 14, 1834, that he was reared in Orange County, and moved to Loudoun County. While residing in Loudoun County during the Revolutionary War, he served ten weeks guarding prisoners from Loudoun to Fauquier jail. After that, he served one month as wagoner with a team which had been pressed into service and transported the baggage of Colonel Gibson's regiment from Alexandria to Pennsylvania, near Philadelphia, then returned. He marched next from Loudoun County, Virginia, to Yorktown

under Captain Elgin, served two months, and was at the surrender of Cornwallis, which was the end of his service.
As a result of the investigation, John Welch's or Welsh's name was dropped from the pension roll, because he did not render service of six months in a regularly organized military corps as required by the Act of Congress under which he applied. The date of his death is not shown and it is not stated whether he ever married.
Very truly yours,
A. D. HILLER, Assistant to Administrator.

Wm M. Salton,
July 30

Pension Office, July 30. 1860.
Sir,
In reply to your letter of the 2 d instant, addressed to this office, and to that of the 20 th addressed to Mr. Sherry (and by him transmitted for official action) I have to state that John Welch was pensioned at rate of $20 per annum from March 4 1831 — and was, ordered to be dropped from the rolls on the 18 th March 1835.
It is proper to add that this case is one of a class; the determination of which will hereafter depend upon certain points which I intend to submit for the decision of the Department; — When this is done you will be informed of the state of this case. — It is not, of course, necessary to employ any attorney, much less to pay the exorbitant fee you suggest as having been demanded.
Wm M. Patton Esq Ritchie Court House Virginia. —

M r Patton,
Oct. 13.

Pension Office October 13, 1860
Sir,
In reply to your enquiry of the 1 st . October, instant, I have to inform you that the Department has not yet decided the points involved in the class of cases to which you refer. As soon as this shall have been done you will be informed of the state of the case of John Welch.
W. M. Patton Esq. Ritchie Court House Virginia

Ritchie Co. W. Va. Oct 1 st 1860.
Dear Sir
I received a letter from you some time in July last; in which you stated that there were some questions in reference some Pension money which we suppose to be due John Welch since late of the County of Harrison of this State, I suppose the department has decided the question; as this, and in your multiplicity of business you have as yet failed to advise me of the decision, which I suppose you had forgotten that you had made me any such promise, I hope you will now advise me of the decision if made: by so doing you will much oblige yours &c W. M. Patton

Payments to be made at Richmond by Pres d W. S. Br. Bank Agent for paying Pensioners, in the Agency of 1. Fraudulent file with the papers John Welch
Virginia
Recorded by G. C. Stiles Clerk, in Book P Vol. 7 Page 128

WAR DEPARTMENT.
Revolutionary Claim.
I certify that in conformity with the Law of the United States, of the 7th June, 1832, John Welsh Of the State of Virginia who was a Private in the Revolutionary Army
is entitled to receive — Twenty — dollars and cents per annum, during his natural life, commencing on the 4th of March, 1834, and payable semi-annually, on the 4th of March, and 4th of September, in every year.
Given at the War Office of the United States, this — 6 th — day of March one thousand eight hundred and thirty- three
Jacob
Secretary of War.
Examined and } Countersigned. }
J. S. Edwards

John Welch?
Will the 3 d Auditor be so good as to give the necessary certificate in this case?
War Dept.
Pension Office
July 9. 1871
J. L. Edwards
2609

John Welch
va - July 1832 -
Washington D.C.
Resignation of Senator

Pittsfield 6 W 184
July 20th 1860
Dear Sir
I address you for the purpose of making a draw upon you, I wish you to do me the favor to ascertain at what time the Pension of John Welch, a Revolutionary soldier Pensioner of the county of Harrison Vt. stopped the amount he drew per year, &c
I wrote the Comr. in charge of Pensions some days since but he has as yet failed to answer,
I further now wish you to see what you can employ an atty for me at at by me giving him a certain fee, Tucker & Lloyd want half which is more than I will ever give; as the labor would have to be all done by me here, and but little to do there, this Claim is coming to some heirs who lined the money very much, and some of my friends are interested in it, I wish to protect their interest. I want to hear from you soon in reply to the above request; if you could have access to the Pension office you could probably relieve me from the trouble of employing any person more than yourself. I would rather pay you for your trouble than a stranger,
Yours &c W. No. Pattan
W. W. Sprague Esq

Kittitas Co. W. T.
July 2 nd 1866.
Dear Sir
I write you for the purpose of ascertaining how much was allowed John Welch late a pensioner of the Revolutionary War, who was a citizen of Br. V. Harrison for year, and at what time the last draw was made, an early reply will much oblige,
Yours &c W. M. Patton Counsel for the Heirs of John Welch,

Rev War
7847
INVALID.
No.
7847
John Welsh Pri Rev War
Act:
June 7th 82
ex:—Vol.
183 , Page 398
[Arrangement of 1870.]

Apl 23, 1904
Henry Raymond.
Clarkburg W. Va see copy
1934 - Sept. 20 - Hirt. to Mr. Frank
W.H.G.
C. Cross. MMH 3/22.
File
Ind

No
18889
ACT OF JULY 14, 1862.
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John Welch
Rev
Discharged
Consolidated File No 784 Old War Dept Ad Files
REJECTED

JRC
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S. File No. 7847, John Welsh, Revolutionary War.
April 23, 1904.
Sir:
In reply to your inquiry of March 31, 1904, you are informed that the records of this Bureau show that John Welsh, of Harrison county, Virginia, was granted a pension March 6, 1833, for six months' service as a private in Captain Figgens' company, Colonel Gibson's regiment, Virginia troops; but it subsequently appearing that he served less than six months, the minimum period requisite to entitle to pension, his name was dropped from the roll and all papers in the case were forwarded to the United States District Attorney of Virginia August 9, 1834, and were never returned.
In a statement made July 14, 1834, he said that he was engaged perhaps two weeks in guarding prisoners from Loudoun to Fauquier jail, year not remembered; that after this he was in Alexandria with a team belonging to a man named Camley; that the team was pressed to transport the baggage of Colonel Gibson's regiment; that he went with the team thus pressed as wagoner to Pennsylvania near Philadelphia, there left his load and returned home; was gone on this trip hard upon a month; that on his return he was drafted for a two-months tour; marched from Loudoun county to Yorktown under Captain Elgin; was there at the defeat of Cornwallis, served out tour of two months and came home, this ending his service; that Jacob Copeland wrote his declaration; told the same

7847 Welsh 2.
he now tells; agreed to give him the first year's draw. On this paper is a note by the District Attorney as follows: This is an honest man. Copeland has deceived and deluded him.
Very respectfully,
Commissioner.
Mr. Henry Maymond, Clarksburg, W. Va.

Frank Clay Cross
1114 DOWNING STREET DENVER, COLO.
August 16, 1934
Bureau of Pensions Revolutionary Claims Division Navy Building Washington, D.C.
Dear Madam::
On my last visit to your office, I saw the pension application of John Welch of Harrison County, Virginia (or West Virginia), but you were closing and I had no time to see what information the claim contains. I wonder if you will give me an abstract of this claim.
You have always been very generous with me and I want you to know that I am grateful for your kindness.
Sincerely yours,
A handwritten signature in cursive, reading "Frank Cross". The signature is written in dark ink and is positioned over the closing of the letter.

HEADQUARTERS
7847
Department of West Virginia,
Grand Army of the Republic.
DEPARTMENT COMMANDER: A. C. MOORE, CLARKSBURG. SENIOR VICE COMMANDER: O. H. MICHELSON, CHARLESTON. JUNIOR VICE COMMANDER: J. W. SHROYER, FAIRMONT. DEPARTMENT CHAPLAIN: REV. TAYLOR RICHMOND, COWAN. MEDICAL DIRECTOR: DR. A. H. THAYER, GRAFTON. ASSISTANT ADJUTANT GENERAL AND ASSISTANT QUARTER MASTER GENERAL: HENRY HAYMOND, CLARKSBURG.
6807
Clarksburg, West Va.,
March 31, 1904
Hon. Commissioner of Pensions Washington DC.
Sir:
Will you kindly furnish me with such information as is on file in your Office relative to the service of John Welch in the war of the Revolution.
John Welch died in Harrison County, Virginia (Now West Va) between 1835 and 1840, and the family tradition is that a pension was granted him, about the time of his death, and that he participated in the Battle of the Cowpens.
This information is requested as a matter of family history, and also for the purpose of joining a patriotic society.
I am very Respectfully Henry Haymond