Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 42584, John Van Arsdaelen, New Jersey

SERVICE
NUMBER
New Jersey
Van Arsdaelen, John
8 42584
Van Norsdell or
or Van Arsdaelen
CONTENTS

New York N o 20165
John Van Arsdale (as Van Horsdall) of Seneca County in the State of New York who was a Private in the company commanded by Captain Wyatt ~ ~ ~ of the Regiment commanded by Colonel Ogden ~ ~ in the New Jersey line, for the term of Nine Months. from March ~ 1778 to December 1778.
Inscribed on the roll of New York. at the rate of Eight ~ ~ Dollars per month, to commence on the 14 th day of June 1830.
Certificate of Pension issued the 16 th of June 1830. ~ ~ and sent to E. F. Smith Esq Ovid, New York.
Arrears to 4th of Sept r 1830. $ 21. 00 Semi-annual all'ce ending
$ 21. 00.
{ Revolutionary Claim, Acts March 18, 1818, and May 1, 1820. }

Declaration of John Van Arsdale a soldier -

Original Claim
Declaration in order to be pleaded on the pension list under the act of the 18 th of March 1818
State of New York
County of Seneca ss on this 11 th day of May in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty personally appeared in open court in the court of common pleas held in and for the county of Seneca in said state being a court of record John Van Porsdall res resident in said county aged sixty nine years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the provision made by the last act of congress of the 18 th of March 1818 and first May 1820 that he the said John Van Porsdall enlisted some time about the first of March 1778 for the term of nine months in the state of New Jersey in the company command- ed by Captain Daniel Pratt in the regiment commanded by Col Ogden in the line of the state of New Jersey on the continental establishment that he continued to serve in said corps until for nine months until some time in December 1778 when he was discharged until he was taken from the service in the state of New Jersey that he hereby relinquished every

claim whatever to pension except the present and his name is not on the roll of any state except New Jersey and that the following are the reasons for his not making an earlier application for a pension to wit that he has not been so circumstanced as to defray the expense of making an application and has not been able to procure evidence of his services as required by the said act until the present time = and in pursuance of the act first of may 1820 I do solemnly swear that I was a resident citizen of the United States of America on the 18 th day of March 1818 and that I have not since that time by gift sale or in any manner disposed of my property or any part thereof with intent thereby to diminish it as to bring bring myself under the provisions of an act of congress entitled an act to provide for certain persons engaged in the land and Naval service of the United States passed on the 18 th day of March 1818 and that I that I have not nor has any person in trust for me any property or securities contracts or debts due to me nor have I any income other than that there what is contained in the schedule herunto annexed and by me subscribed with

neither have I any property except wearing apparrell as said set forth in said schedule That since the 18 th of March 1818 there has been no changes in my estate neither have I owned any estate real or personal except necessary apparrel since that time Sworn to and declared on the 11 th day of March 1830 in open court
John Van Karsdall
Martha Marvin Clk ”
Martha Marvin clerk of the court of common pleas do hereby certify that it appears to the satisfaction of the court that he the said John Van Karsdall did serve in the revolu- tionary war as stated in the pre- ceding declaration against the com- mon enemy for the term of nine months one engagement on the con- tinental establishment I also certify that the foregoing gaths and the sched- ule thereto annexed are truly cop- ied from the words of the said court and I do further certify that it is the opinion of the said court that the total amount in value of the property exhibited in the afore said schedule is Two dollars and cents In testimony whereof I here-

unto set my hand and affixed the seal of said court on this 11 th day of May A D 1830. Nathan Marvin Seneca County SS Joseph Stull of Wid in said county being duly sworn deposes and says that he is aged seventy years seventy four years and that he was a souldier in the army of the United States during the revolution and that he then was there was personally acquainted with John Van Nausdall now of Lodi and knows that he was a souldier in the army of the United States and that he was with him in the nine month service and knows that the said John Van Naus- dall was in the regiment under the command of Col Ogden and in the company of Daniel Pyatt Captain and that he frequently saw him during the war and knows that he was in the service and also knows that the said John Van Nausdall mention- ed in the declaration hereunto an- swered and the said John Van Naus- dall so by him known in said ser- vice are one and the same sworn before me the 24 th day of March A D 1830 } Joseph Stull

Seneca County D r Folkerd Seabring of the town of Ovid in said county being duely sworn deposes and says that he is aged seventy one years and that he was a souldier under the government of the United States in the revolutionary war and that he is personally acquainted with John Van Kaursdall now of Lodi in said county and that he was acquaint- ted with said John Van Kaursdall du- ring the revolution and knows that he was a souldier in the revolu- tionary army in the militia and that he was at the battle of Eliza- bethtown and he believes that the said John Van Kaursdall was in that battle and that he often during the said war saw the John Van the Kaursdall and that in the said service and that the said John Van Kaursdall in the declaration named is the same John Van Kaursdall known by him in said war sworn before me this 24 th day of March A 1830 Jonas Seely
Folkerd Sebring

Seneca County SS Thomas Waldron of the town of Lodi in said county being duly sworn deposes and says that he is aged Eighty  Seventy eight years and that he was a soldier in the army of the revolution during the revolution ary war and that he was during that time personally acquainted with John Van Pairsdall and knows that he was at that time in the regular service in the army of the United states States in said war has been frequ- tly with him in said service and at all times knew that he was reg- ularly enlisted in said service and that he knows that the said John Van Pairsdall in the declara- tion herunto is the name annexed named is the same person so by him known in said name
Sworn before me } this 24 th day of March } Thomas his X Waldron 1830 Jonas Peddy } mark

Seneca County SS Luke P Covert of Prid in said County being duly sworn de- poses and says that he is aged seventy years and that he was a soldier in the army of the revolution of the Uni- ted States and that while in said service was personally acquainted with John Van Karsdall and knows that he was in said service and knows he was in the nine months service in the regiment commanded by Col Ogden and knows that said John Van Kars- dall was a soldier in the war and did regularly serve for nine months and also knows that the said John Van Karsdall in the said declara- tion herunto annexed named and so by him known are one & the same sworn before me
this day 24 th day of march 1830
Jonas Seely
Luke P Covert
Schedule of the within named Van Karsdall's property (the petitioner) Wearing apparel is all the property I possess all of which I have on now in court not I think worth more than ten Dollars
John Van Karsdall

October 9, 1939.
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Mr. Irving K. Woolfe 102 West 93rd Street, New York, New York.
BA-J/GC John Van Arsdaelen, or Van Norsdall, or VanArsdealen S.42584
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War record of John Van Arsdaelen, or Van Nosdall, of New York.
The data which follow were obtained from papers on file in pension claim, S.42584, based upon service of John Van Arsdaelen, or Van Norsdall, or Van Arsdealen, in the Revolutionary War.
The date and place of birth of John Van Arsdaelen, and the names of his parents are not shown.
John Van Arsdaelen enlisted about March 1, 1778, in New Jersey, served nine months as private in Captain Daniel Pyatt's company, Colonel Ogden's New Jersey regiment, and was at the battle of Elizabethtown.
After the Revolution he resided in Summerville, Somerset County, New Jersey, until July 4, 1821, then moved to Lodi (formerly Ovid Township), Seneca County, New York, where he was residing when he was allowed pension on his application executed May 11, 1830. He was then aged sixty-nine years.
No family data are shown.
In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension, the name and address of person paid and possibly the date of

death of John Van Arsdaelen, you should address the Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, this city and cite the following data:
John Van Arsdaelen (or) VanNorsdall Certificate No.20165 Issued June 16, 1830 Rate $8.00 per month Commenced June 14, 1830 Acts of March 18, 1818 and May 1, 1820, New York Agency.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator.

42584
Rev INVALID.
1927-May 23- Hist. to F. D. Van Orsdale. His letter in re of John Van Arsdale. #4840- mm/HE
1939-Oct 9 Hist to Irving K Woolfe cc
File No. 42.584 * alias Van Norsdell John Van Arsdale Dr. Van No
Act: 18 th March 18 th
Index:—Vol. 8 , Page 524
[Arrangement of 1870.]
* W.W.H. Aug. 9, 07.

MNH
May 27, 1927
F. D. Van Orsdale 329 Western Ave., Albany, N. Y.
Sir:
I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim S. 42584 it appears that John Van Arsdealen, or Van Arsdaelen, or Van Norsdall, enlisted in New Jersey about March 1778, served nine months as private in Captain Daniel Pyatt's Company, Colonel Ogden's New Jersey Regiment and was at the battle of Elizabethtown.
He was allowed pension on his application executed May 11, 1830 while a resident of Lodi (formerly Ovid Township), Seneca County, New York aged sixty-nine years.
He stated that from the time of his discharge until July 4, 1821 he resided in Summerville, Somerset County, New Jersey thence to Lodi where he had lived ever since.
There is no family data on file.
In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension, the name of person paid and possibly the date of his death, you should apply to the Records Division, General Accounting Office, Washington, D. C. citing all of the following:
"John VanArsdealen(or Van Norsdall), certificate No. 20165,

issued June 16, 1830, rate $ 8 per month, commenced June 14, 1830, Act of March 18, 1818, New York Agency."
Respectfully,
WINFIELD SCOTT Commissioner.

102 West 93rd Street New York, N.Y.
Sept. 12, 1939
Veterans Administration Washington, D. C.
REVOLUTIONARY WAR
Dear Sir:-
Would you be kind enough to furnish me with a service on JOHN VAN ARSDALEN alias VAN NOSDALL ?
He served with the New Jersey line during the Revolution and his name is shown on the pension roll under the Act of 1818 as living, at that time, in Seneca County, New York.
I would like, if possible, to know from what town or county he enlisted, his age, and to what town in Seneca County, New York, his checks were sent . Any information about this veteran will be very much appreciated.
Very truly yours,
A handwritten signature in cursive that reads "Irving K. Woolfe".
Irving K. Woolfe

Orick NY May 20
Reservatory clumsy femur office
Dear John. H. Eaton
Yrs 25th. Mar. 1880. Pension Office 21303 Washington City Secretary of War

Quid NY May 20 1830
Dr Sir-
Evidenced I send you the Declaration of Mr John Von Ardelean a Soldier of the Revolution who makes his name placed upon the pension list He is a man entirely destitute of the necessaries of life and of good moral habits and not a subject of intermeddling. The affidavits that accompany the declaration are from men in good standing and whose character as to truth and veracity are unquestionably good - It is to be hoped his country will assist him as he is dependent upon the charities of the town in which he resides - Should his name be placed upon the list you will please advise me of the same -
With much Respect I am sir your ob l serv t
E. F. Smith
Dear John H Eaton
Secretary of War
Washington City

Paid NH June 8th
Free
Hon John H Eaton
Can of J L Edwards pension office Revolutionary claims
Secretary of War Washington City D.C.
Seneca H. Allen Wilb. Spruill

Phil MS June 8th 1830
In Sir
Enclosed I send you an additional affidavit of Mr John Van Arsdale in which you will find full an explanation of the name of the applicant and also the reasons for not making an earlier application the place of residence of the applicant from the time of his discharge until the present time and also stating that he has not at any time since the close of the war resided in the City of Philadelphia - I should have inserted this more fully in the original claim had I seen any thing in the acts of Congress that required it -
The affidavit of Mr Van Arsdale is taken by Jonas Seely who is certified in the original claim to be a judge of the Court therefore I supposed that an extra certificate would be useless - I presume the reasons will be perfectly satisfactory and nearly all that Mr V has said in relation to his place of residence name and reasons can be substantiated by other testimony I find the old man very illiterate and entirely ignorant of the manner of proceeding to procure the act - and that he has always been under the impression that he could not get testimony sufficient -
In regard to his poverty all that knows him could certify and all is done to assist him to procure a pension which I believe him fully entitled to is done gratis and as he is old and infirm I deem him a fit object of charity
Your Obedient Servt E F Smith
Hon J H Eaton

In matter of John Van Arsdale a Soldier of the Revolution An affidavit taken to substantiate his original claim in order to be placed on the pension list under the act of the 18 th of March 1818- and in which is particular- ly stated and specified the place of residence of the said Van Arsdale and the reasons fully stated for not making an earlier application for the benefit of said act of Congress agreeable to the order of James I Edwards Esq—
State of New York Seneca County ss.
John Van Arsdale of the Town of Lodi in said County being duly sworn deposes and says that he usually spells his name Johns Van Arsdale but that some of the family spell it Van Arsdalen and that the name is always pronounced as if it was spelled Van Arsdall and that he the said deponent and applicant for the benefit of the act above named from the time of his discharge as mentioned in said original claim until on or about the fourth day of July 1821 resided in the Town of Summer- ville in the County of Somerset State of New Jersey and that since the fourth of July 1821 he has resided in the original Township of or is now Lodi in said County of Seneca and State of New York the whole time he has resided in the last mentioned place - and that the said applicant has not resided in the city of Philadelphia at any time since the close of the war nor at any time before but has at all times since his first settlement after his discharge resided in the above named place And this deponent further saith that he is a man that has but little education and is unlearned and unacquainted with the manner of doing business and of the management of the affairs of the national government

and that he the said deponent has at all times been informed and justly believed that in order to procure the benefit of the aforesaid act it was necessary to procure the affidavit of at least three living witness- es and that he was entirely ignorant and did not know that any proof need or could be ob- tained in any war or other office and in fact did not know that a record was kept of the officers and soldiers of the Revolution - and that this is one reason for not earlier applying - and the deponent further saith that he has hitherto fore until within one year past by his labour been able to support himself without the assistance of the government - but that now is so decimated by the infirmities of age that he is unable to support himself - and that his being so able heretofore to support himself is another reason why he did not before apply - And the deponent further saith that he has been in such indigent circumstances heretofore that he has been unable to procure sufficient funds to defray the expense of making out the necessary documents and the money required to defray the necessary expenses and that he now could not do it if it were not by the charity of his neighbours. And the deponent further says that so long under the impression and belief and always having been informed that three witnesses were required has not been able to find any that he could prove his services by until last winter - and his being so destitute of means has neglected to make an earlier application for said act - and the said deponent further saith that he did not know that he could prove his said services by the witnesses by whom he did substantiate his claim and did not know that they did recollect his having so served as they lived at some distance and seldom saw each other -

and further that he did not understand the the nature of the said act , and the provisions that it made until it was a short time since explained to him by a friend and that he had always been misinformed and did not understand the nature of the act - and the deponent further says that this affidavit is made to explain the reasons of his not making an earlier application and for the purposes mentioned in the true purport of this document - And that he is the same John Van Arsdale that in full weeks since forwarded his original claim to the Secretary of War through the agency of E. F. Smith and that whenever in this affidavit he refers to an original claim it has reference to the one so lately forwarded and that he has not at any time before made an applica- tion in any manner for the benefit of said act except the one so as above described - and that these are the reasons for not making an earlier application for the benefit of the said act - and that they are the but reasons he can assign - and further deponent saith not -
Sworn and subscribed before me this 7th day of June
1830-
James Luly
John Van Arsdale
Judge of Court of Common Pleas for Genesee Co.