Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 19,572, Charles Van Orden, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Van Orden Charles
No. 19,572
Margaret
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5 City New York
Margaret Van Orden widow of Charles Van Orden NY who served in the Revolutionary
war, as a Drummer
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 88 Dollars
Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1848.
Certificate of Pension issued the 9th day of June 1848 and sent to
P. M. Irving Esq. 32 Wall St New York
Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act February 2, 1848, Page 239 Vol. 4.
Reported

V 274/1
Act (July). 1838
Declaration of Margaret Van Orden and Proofs. &c
Married 10 Nov 1790 Husband died 4 Aug 1807
Col. Gannett Capt. Black
Act. 10 Apr 1777 10 Nov 1781
abt 24 mo drum #88.
No deduction
Daniel E. Sickles esq attorney New York

DECLARATION
REQUIRED BY
"AN ACT GRANTING HALF PAY AND PENSIONS TO CERTAIN WIDOWS,"
Passed July 7th, 1838.
State of New-York } ss. City and county of New-York }
On this twenty second day of October 1838. personally appeared before the Marine Court of the City of New York Margaret Van Orden
a resident of the city of New-York in the County of New-York aged Sixty XXXX Seven years, who, being first duly sworn according to law, doth on her oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress, passed July 7th, 1838, entitled "An Act granting Half Pay and Pensions to certain Widows:" That she is the Widow of Charles Van Orden who was a Soldier , and served, in the war of the Revolution, in the Regiment commanded by Coll. Willet, and the company commanded by Cap. Tiebout, that he enlisted at Ramapo in the State of New Jersey, as will more fully appear from affidavit of Peter Van Orden herunto attached.
And also that the certificate of her marriage accompanying this Declaration, is the original cer- tificate, received by her, from the Rev. Geo. Wall, the cler- giman who married her, immediately after her marriage.
She further Declares, That she was married to the said Charles Van Orden on the Tenth day of November in the year seventeen hundred and ninety ; that her husband, the aforesaid Charles Van Orden died on the Sixth day of August 1807 ; that she was not married to him prior to his leaving the service, but the marriage took place previous to first of January, seventeen hundred and ninety-four, viz : at the time above stated.
SWORN to and subscribed, on the } day and year above written, before }
Margaret Van X Orden
J. M. [unintelligible] Justice of the Marine Court.

DECLARATION
I John Barbare clerk of the Marine Court do certify that Margaret Van Orden appeared before the Marine Court of the City of New York and made the above declaration and the said Court is a court of record and that the signature of the Judge John B Scott presiding is his genuine signature
John Barbare
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I do hereby certify that Charles Van Ordt and Margaret Mackholm were married according to the Rites of our Independent Congregational Church in the City of Newy. by me
Nov. 10
1790
(Signed)
George Wall Pastor

State of New York City and County of New York. } J. Bartholomew Deda Pierre of the City of New York being duly sworn maketh oath and saith that the annexed Original Marriage Certificate signed George Wall Pastor was left in this Deponent's possession by Mr. Margaret Van Orden about the middle of September now last past and was laid by this Deponent in an Old Dutch Cabinet at this Deponent's House along with the copy thereof also hereinunto which had been made by this Deponent and put away with it. That about a week after- wards this Deponent took the said Original Certificate and Copy out of said Cabinet and then discovered that they had been mutilated while in said Cabinet and as he supposes by a mouse. That the date upon the copy made by this Deponent was taken correctly from the Original.
I certify that on this 17 th day of October 1838. Com before me Bartholomew Dela Pierre, a person whom I justly believe to be B. de la Pierre Confidence may be placed, and duly known to the above affidavit. J. Mott - President of the City of New York -

City and County of New York ss;
Peter Van Ordern of Ulster County in the State of New York, Farmer, being duly sworn, saith, that he was a Soldier in the Revolutionary army, That Deponent or near Charles Van Ordern entered the Service at the commencement of the war; That Deponent enlisted in the Regiment of Colonel Hughes, That said Charles Van Ordern, who was a brother of deponent enlisted in the Regiment commanded by Colonel Willet, in the Company commanded by Captain Tiebout the said Charles Van Ordern enlisted at Ramapo in New Jersey after Fort Washington in the upper part of the County of New York was taken, and Washington retreated to Fort Lee, and General Washington was then boarding at the house of Jacob Bogert at Ramapo and Deponent knows that a very short time after the said Charles Van Ordern enlisted he went with the Regiment of Col Willet to Fort Stanwix in the upper part of the State of New York. That Deponent does not know of any other marches of the said Charles Van Ordern. That the said Charles Van Ordern was a Private as Deponent believes, That he was discharged at the end of the war with Deponent in the City of New York. That during a part of the war the said Charles Van Ordern was a musician in the Revolutionary army, a Drummer as Deponent believes, which statement is made to the best of Deponent's knowledge and belief.
Peter Van Ordern
Subscribed and sworn to before me on 6 th September 1888 and I do certify that the affidavit.

is a person entitled to credit, and is of respectability
Wm B Pittman Notary Public N.Y.
Notary Public

STATE OF NEW-YORK, CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW-YORK, } ss.
I, Joseph Hoxie , Clerk of the City and County of New-York, and also Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the said City and County, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That William B Aitken before whom the annexed deposition was taken, was, at the time of taking the same, a Commissioner of Deeds in and for said City and County, duly commissioned and sworn, and duly authorized to take the same, and that I believe the signature of said Commissioner thereto subscribed is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of the said Court and County, the 23 d day of Oct 1838.
Joseph Hoxie Clerk.

State of New York City and County of New York } ss. John Van Orden of the City and County of New York Seaman aged thirty nine years the son of Charles Van Orden now deceased and Margaret Van Orden his wife who at present resides in the City of New York and who are named in the annexed affidavits, being duly sworn maketh oath and saith that this Deponent's said Father departed this life at the City of New- York on or about the sixth day of August in the year one thousand eight hundred and seven - This Deponent is informed and believes that his said Father was then aged fifty four years. That this Deponent's Mother is the Widow of the said Charles Van Orden has remained his widow ever since the decease of the said Charles Van Orden and has never been married again since his decease, to the best of this Deponent's knowledge information or belief and as this Deponent verily believes.
Sworn this 16 th day of October 1834
John Van Orden
Before me
WM H Bagg
Notary Public

STATE OF NEW-YORK, CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW-YORK, } ss.
I, Joseph Hoxie , Clerk of the City and County of New-York, and also Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the said City and County, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That Ann H. Bogardus before whom the annexed deposition sincere was taken, was, at the time of taking the same, a Commissioner of the Court in and for said City and County, duly commissioned and sworn, and duly authorized to take the same, and that I believe the signature of said Commissioner thereto subscribed is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of the said Court and County, the 17 day of Oct 1838.
Joseph Hoxie Clerk.

State of New York
City and County of New York.
ss. Hannah George of the City of New York Widow of Joseph George deceased now aged one hundred and two years and upwards being duly sworn maketh oath and saith that Margaret Van Orden of the said City of New York named in the annexed affidavit of John Van Orden is the Daughter of this Deponent. That the said Margaret left this Deponent's house with Charles Van Orden in the said annexed affidavit named to go to be married by the Reverend W. Wall at the time mentioned in the certificate of such marriage annexed hereto as this Deponent believes but this Deponent was not present at the marriage Ceremony, and that from that time the said Margaret and Charles Van Orden lived together as man and wife until the time of his decease on or about the sixth day of August one thousand eight hundred and seven. That the said Margaret Van Orden has remained the Widow of the said Charles Van Orden and has never been married since his death to any other person to the

knowledge information or belief of this Deponent and as this Deponent verily believes - That this Deponent has been in the habit of almost daily intercourse with her said daugh- ter ever since. That the said Marga- ret is a daughter of this Deponent by this Deponent's first Husband -
Given this 16 th day of October 1838 Before the having been first carefully Read by me to the Deponent
no Hannah & George mark
John H. Boggan
lawyer
Do hereby certify that I know John Mrs. Oden and Hannah George the Individuals making the annexed Affidavits and that I believe them to be persons of truth and veraci- ty and that full faith and cred- it may be given to their dispositions. Newark Oct. 10, 1838
John H. Boggan
lawyer

I do hereby Certify that Charles Venor and Margrett Macklem were married according to the Rites of our Independent Congregational Church in the City of New York by me
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George Wall Pastor

Pay
WIDOW, &c.
File No. 19572
Margaret Van Orden Widow of Charles Van Orden Dut. Rev. War
Act: Feb 2 nd 1748
Index:—Vol. M , Page 297
[Arrangement of 1870.]

Margt. Van Orden
2744
Let. to Sylvester Spence March 26, 182.
act 7 July '38

V N. York Margaret Van Orden let. To B. de la Pierre 9 May 1839 to same 5. Sept. 1839
Act July 1838

NY. May Van Orden
Syl. Spencer NY

Margaret Van Orden — Sent proofs of services in an affidavit of Peter Van Orden, the brother of her husband, Peter was a pensioner, and came from his residence, up the North-River, at the request of his sister-in-law, to testify to the services of his brother Charles, which seems to have been satisfactory. Also sent her marriage certificate, but that not being sufficient, obtained the book of Rev. Mr. Wall, who performed the ceremony, in which is entered, in his own hand writing, the marriage of the parties, and that not being noticed, sent on some circumstantial evidence, of persons who have known them, as husband and wife for a very great number of years, and among them, one from Mr. Child, — but have not heard of their effect since. If Peter Van Orden was still alive, no doubt his testimony would be sufficient, being the widows brother in law, but he died soon after giving his testimony of the services.
B. de la Pierre

6387
Lute D. E. Sickely Oct 2. 1841. 2
New York
Margaret Van Orden widow of Charles Van Orden, deceased
who was a pensioner under the Act of and who died on the 6 th August 1807 of New York in the State of N.Y. who was a Noncommissioned Officer in the Comp y commanded by Captain Gilbert of the Reg t commanded by Col. Mallet in the New York line for 2 years
Inscribed on the Roll of New York at the rate of 88 Dollars — Cents per annum, to commence on the 4 th day of March, 1836.
Certificate of Pension issued the 27 th day of Sept. 1841 and sent to Hannah E. Sickely Atty. at Law, New York Arrears to the 4 th of March 1841 $440.00 Semi-annual allowance ending
$440.00 { Act July 7, } { 1838. }
Recorded by H. H. Addison Clerk, Book A Vol. 2 Page 108

Reported
New York 504
Margaret Van Orden
widow of Charles Van Orden who was a Drummer in the Revolution
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 88 Dollars Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1843.
Certificate of Pension issued the 21 st day of June 1843 and sent to P. M. Irving Esq. 15 1/2 Wall Street, New York
[Act of March 3, 1843.]
Recorded in Book A. Vol. 1. Page 115.

Oct 1. 1841
Mrs. Van Orda Ny. Lock
J. S. Stuart Esq. Commission Merchant No. 100 Wall St.

New York Sept 28 th 1891
Mr. J. L. Edwards
Sir
Some weeks since I have the honor to write a letter to you on the subject of Mrs Van Orden Pease, which your department have had under consideration for some time. She has not hitherto have a legal adviser and therefore I presume I presume her claim has not been as fully and as satisfactorily established as I think it may be or as a professional man acquainted with such things might have presented it.
You will perhaps recollect, Sir, that the object of my former letter was to to ascertain the defect, which in the opinion of the Pension Department, existed in the papers and proofs which have been already transmitted to make out Mrs Van Orden's case. The old lady knows very little of law matters, and it was therefore quite impossible for me to know from her just what she had already done. I am forced the in consequence to beg the favor of you, Sir, to tell me how far the matter has been advanced, and what is the present difficulty. If I am so fortunate as to ascertain this, I have of very certain that Mrs Van Orden

claim can be sustained fully to the satisfaction of the Russian department
I ventured in my former letter to suggest the early attention of the Department to my request. I hope I may not subject myself to the charge of impertinency if I do so again.
I am Sir very Respectfully Your Obedient Servant
Daniel P. Lockwood 77 Nassau St New York
Genl. L. Edwards Commissioner of Pensions Washington

16. Sep 1841
do C.
M. Van Orden
Rev.
J. S. Edwards
Memphis of Panama Washington D.C.

New York Sept 10 th 1891
Mr. J. L. Edwards
Sir
I have been retained by Mrs Margaret Van Orden of this city to afford her my professional services assistance in procuring a pension for the revolutionary services of her late husband Charles Van Orden. I am informed by Mr. Van Orden that measures have been already presented adopted to effect her purpose, and in pursuance of these a number of documents have been sent to your department by Mr. Delapierre of this city. Thus far however, her application has not been successful - for what precise reasons I have not been fully told. The evidence of the original services, discharge & the testimony of the marriage and the identity of the present applicant are all I am told in the possession of the Pension Department at Washington.
I should be very glad to know your opinion of the application, and more especially of the sufficiency of the testimony, so that I may shape my efforts with a view to the removal of any difficulties that may appear to you. If therefore, Sir you will occupy a

leisure moment by communicating with me on the subject. I shall be obliged to you. I have no doubt from my acquaintance with the parties and the facts - that they will be able to make out the case to your fullest satisfaction when they know point to what point, they are to direct their attention.
I hope I shall not be accused of forgetting the reputation of the Pension department for promptitude, or of presuming too far when I ask its early attention to Mrs Van Buren's business. She has been a long time already negotiating already, and her need is as great as can be!
I am, Sir very Respectfully Your Obedient Servant
Hon. J. L. Edwards Washington
Daniel E. Fisher Attorney at Law New York

504,43
Adm o
J. M. Irving, Esq. 37 Wall St New York.

New York March 22. 1848
Sir
I herewith transmit application of Mrs Margaret Van Brunt for a continuance of her pension under act 2 d July 1848
Very respectfully
Your obedient Servant Nancy M. King 32 Wall St
To James L. Edwards Esq Commissioner of Pensions Washington D.C.

New York April 4. 1843
Sir
I herewith forward application of Mrs Margaret Van Orden for one year's additional pension under act March 3. 1843
Very respectfully
Your obedient servant
Diana M. King
15 1/2 Wall Street
J. L. Edwards Esq Commissioner of Pensions

State of New York } 7 th } city and county of New York } Margaret Van Orden widow of Charles Van Orden now de- ceased, of said city, being duly sworn ma- keth oath and saith that, after this deponent was married to said Charles Van Orden he resided in a house in Murray Street in the city of New York and that Captain Tiebout, under whom he she had served in the Revolutionary Army, as she in- formed this deponent, and as this de- ponent now verily believes, also resi- ded in a house in Warren Street (where he followed the occupation of a cartwright) in said city for some years - and that during that period her said husband often times spoke of his having been to see his "Old Captain" meaning the said Tiebout under whom he served as a forementioned - That the said Tiebout has been dead ma- ny years, as this deponent is informed and believes.
Sworn this 22 d day of May 1839. before me
Margaret her X Van Orden mark
RPTT:MOVT Recorder of this City of New York.

STATE OF NEW-YORK, CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW-YORK, } ss.
I, Joseph Hoxie , Clerk of the City and County of New-York, and also Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the said City and County, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That
Robert H. Morris, Esq. before whom the annexed deposition was taken, was, at the time of taking the same, Recorder of the City of New York in and for the said City and County, duly commissioned and sworn, and duly authorized to take the same, and that I believe the signature of said Recorder thereto subscribed, and genuine.
In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of the said Court and County, the 8th day of June 183 9 .
Joseph Hoxie Clerk.

State of New-York city and county of New-York } ss: Hannah Genge of said city being duly sworn maketh oath and saith that she is the mother of Margaret Van Orden, the widow of Charles Van Orden now deceased, named in a deposition of this deponent heretofore made by this deponent. That said Charles Van Orden was the brother of Peter Van Orden, whose deposition she is in- formed, was forwarded by Bartholomew De- lapierre to the commissioner of Pensions, some time since, but which said Peter Van Orden has departed this life at Platte-Kill.  Burglon in Ulster county, as this deponent is informed, and believes, since his deposition was taken.
Sworn this 22 d day of May 1839 before me! — — — — — }
h Hannah + Genge mark
ROBT T. MOORE Recorder of the City of New-York —

State of New-York city and county of New-York } ss: Evander Childs of said city being duly sworn maketh oath and saith that he was well acquainted with Charles Van Orden and Peter Van Orden his brother, in their life times, both of whom, to this deponents certain knowledge, were soldiers in the army of the Revolution, and that the said Charles Van Orden was a pri- vate or drummer, but does not know in what regiment or company he served, and was the husband of Margaret Van Orden, the daughter of Hannah Genge, whose affidavit is herewith annexed. He was well ac- quainted with his, Charles Van Orden's, wife family, who is now the widow of Charles Van- Orden. — That the said Peter Van Orden late- ly resided in Platte  Platte-Hill Ulster county, but departed this life, as said Deponent is informed, some time since
E. Childs
Sworn this 22 nd day of May 1839. before me
RPT 17:10776 Records of the Lodges of New York

State of New York } ss. city and county of New York } ss. Bartholomew Delapierre of said city being duly sworn maketh oath and saith that Margaret Van Orden named in the annex- ed affidavits of Hannah Gange and Eunice Childs, is the same person who has applied for a pension, through the agency of this Deponent.
Given this 22 d day of May 1839 } B. delapierre
ROBT. MORTON Recorder of the City of New York
I hereby certify that the Deponents in the foregoing affidavits appear highly respectable, and that I gave full credence to their statements
ROBT. MORTON Recorder of the City of New York.

Admit Corp $88.
New York City Agency Send to P. M. Irving 15 W Water Street New York

Declaration
In order to obtain the benefits of the act of Congress of the 3 d of March 1843, granting pensions for one year to certain widows who have received pensions under the act of July 7. 1838
State of New York
City & County of New York ss: On this third day of April A D 1843 before the subscribers, a Commissioner of peace for the City & County of New York, Margaret Van Orden, a resident of the City of New York, aged 73 years, personally appeared, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on her oath, make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the provision made by the act of Congress passed on the 3 d March 1843, granting pensions to widows of persons who served during the Revolutionary War. That she is the widow of Charles Van Orden who was a drummer in the War of the Revolution and served in Captain Paton's Company, and that she received a pension at the New York City Agency at the rate of 88 dollars per annum under the act of July 7. 1838
She further declares that she is still a widow - known to and subscribed the day Margaret his Van Orden mark
and year above written before me Geo. Ireland Jr. Comm. of Deeds
Witness R.C. Bacon
(City & County of New York).
I hereby certify that the deponent Margaret Van Orden is known to me to be the identical Margaret Van Orden described in her deposition.
Geo. Ireland Jr. Comm. of Deeds.

STATE OF NEW-YORK, CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW-YORK, } ss.
I, NATHANIEL JARVIS, CLERK of the City and County of New-York, and also Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for said City and County, being a Court of record, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That George Ireland Jr before whom the annexed deposition was taken, was, at the time of taking the same, a Commissioner of Deeds in and for said City and County, duly commissioned and sworn, and authorized by the laws of this State to take the same; and that I believe the Signature of said Commissioner thereunto subscribed is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the Seal of the said Court and County, the 21 st day of April 184 3
Nath Jarvis Clerk.
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Declaration of Margaret Van Orden in kind Febry 2. 1848. -

City and County of New York p: On this twenty second day of March A D 1848, before me, James P. Howard, a Commissioner of Deeds in and for the city and county of New York duly authorized by law to administer oaths personally appeared Margaret Van Orden, a resident of the city of New York, aged Eighty two years, who being first duly sworn according to law, oath, in her oath, make the following declaration in or- der to obtain the benefits of the provision made by the Act of Congress, passed on the 2 d February, 1848, granting pensions to widows of persons who served during the revolutionary war; that she is the widow of Charles Van Orden, who was a drummer in the war of the Revolu- tion, and that she drew a pension of Eighty Eight Dollars per annum under the Act of 17 th June, 1844.
She further declares that she is still a widow. Sworn to and Subscribed on the day and year above written before me
Margaret her Van Orden mark
Ja s P Howard Comm of Deeds
Witness
Reine M. Irving
I certify that the above named declarant is personally known to me and that she is the same individual who drew a pension as stated by her in the foregoing declaration.
Ja s P Howard Comm of Deeds

City and County of New York p: On this twenty second day of March A D 1848, before me, James P. Howard, a Commissioner of Seals in and for the city and county of New York duly authorized by law to administer oaths personally appeared Margaret Van Orden, a resident of the city of New York, aged eighty two years, who being first duly sworn according to law, with, in her oath, make the following declaration in or- der to obtain the benefits of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed on the 2 d February, 1848, granting pensions to widows of persons who served during the revolutionary war; that she is the widow of Charles Van Orden, who was a drummer in the war of the Revolu- tion, and that she drew a pension of Eighty Eight dollars per annum under the act of 17 th June, 1844.
She further declares that she is still a widow. Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year above written before me
Margaret her Van Orden mark
James P. Howard Comm of Seals
Witness
David M. Living
I certify that the above named declarant is personally known to me and that she is the same individual who drew a pension as stated by her in the foregoing declaration.
James P. Howard Comm of Seals

STATE OF NEW YORK, CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW YORK, } ss.
I, James Conner , CLERK of the City and County of New York, and also Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for said City and County, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That James P. Howard before whom the annexed deposition was taken, was, at the time of taking the same, a Commissioner of Deeds in and for the said City and County, duly commissioned and sworn, and that I believe the Signature of said Commissioner thereunto subscribed is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the Seal of the said Court and County, the 22 day of March 1848
James Conner Clerk.
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State of New York city and county of New York
John Van Orden of the city of New York, being duly sworn Ma- keth oath and saith that this deponent went for Peter Van Orden, formerly of Kings- ton in Ulster County, now deceased, the uncle of this deponent, in order to get his testimony in relation to the services in the Revolutionary war, of this deponent's father, Charles Van Orden and took him to the house occupied by this depo- nent's mother Margaret Van Orden in Reade Street in the city of New York, and also went with him to the office of Wm B. Sittkin Esq. the Notary Pub- lic, before whom his deposition was taken - That the said Margaret Van Orden, who has ap- plied for a Pension as widow of said Charles Van Orden is the same person who was always recognized by the said Peter Van Orden in Charles Van Orden's lifetime as the wife and afterwards widow of the said Charles Van Orden - That the said Peter Van Orden always recognized this deponent as his nephew, and as son of the said Charles and Margaret Van Orden.
John Van Orden
State of New York city & county of New York } ss: On this 8 th day of February 1840 the above named John Van Orden was sworn before me and depones and say that the contents of the above deposition was true and good here- by certify that I believe the said John Van Orden to be a person of truth and veracity and that full faith and credit may be given to his testimony -
Wm B. Sittkin Notary Public

STATE OF NEW YORK, CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW YORK, } ss.
I, Joseph Hoxie, Clerk of the City and County of New York, and also Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the said City and County, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That Wm H Bogardus whose name is subscribed to the certificate of the proof or acknowledgment of the annexed instrument, and thereon written, was, at the time of taking such proof or acknowledgment, a Commissioner of Deeds, for said City and County, dwelling in the said City, commissioned and sworn, and duly authorized to take the same. And further, that I am well acquainted with the handwriting of such Commissioner, and verily believe that the signature to the said certificate of proof or acknowledgment is genuine.
In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of the said Court and County, the 8 day of July 1840.
Joseph Hoxie Clerk.