Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 11962, John Young, Va.

SERVICE
Va
Young John
NUMBER
P. 11962
CONTENTS

YOUNG John VA. R11962
State of Kentucky Bracken county set.
On this 21 st day of October 1839. Personally appeared before me Joseph Schofficea one of the Judges or Justices composing the county court of Bracken county being a court of record and having a seal. John Young a resident of said county, and aged 87 years who being first duly sworn doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provisions of the act "to provide for a pension" June 7 th 1832, and the several acts in regard to the payment of pensions to Revolutionary soldiers. The declarant states that he was a citizen of Henry county Virginia, when he volunteered in the army of the Revolution, the first time. the The troops he turned out with, were to go at any call that might be made for them, and the length of service indefinite until the corps were disbanded from his (the declarant's) advanced age and infirmity he does not recollect the name of the officer in the light horse troop in which he served at that time. He states he served as a volunteer in an expedition against the Tories in north Carolina in a troop of light horse commanded by Capt. Taylor he thinks his name was George Taylor and an Ensign by the name of Townsend; the date he does not recollect but knows it was during the Revolutionary war. He states that he served under Colonel Duncan and Colonel Hughes as volunteer and under them marched from Henry county into north Carolina against a party of Tories commanded by General Roberts at a place called Ramsays or Ramson's Mills, when, and where a severe engagement took place and the Tories were defeated, and within a month or two the corps were disbanded. He states that he then marched from Henry county Virginia, as a volunteer during the war, under Capt. John Birmingham in order to join Colonel Buford, but when they reached Hillsborough Capt. Birmingham's company were stopped to guard the artillery at that place. He does not recollect how long it was before they were disbanded but he knows he turned out in that corps as volunteer during

the war. Some time after this period, the troops have been discharged from that service; he marched from Henry county where he lived until near the close of the Rev. War, as a volunteer under Capt. Blundy; he thinks the vol- unteers turned out for six months; at the call of congress they marched to join the continental army just before the battle of Brandywine but before they joined the army, or arrived at Washington's encampment, the battle was fought. This, he thinks, was before the battle of Brandywine was before he went to join Colonel Buford's command. The declarant states that after Buford was defeated he joined another company to go for eighteen months. The dates of the several services above mentioned he cannot recollect from his infirmity and advanced age, being now he thinks 87 years old. He was born in Orange county Virginia, the 22 nd day of February 1752 or 1753 the same day of the month General George Washington was born. He knew Genl. Washington personally. He lived in the  the  time of the  time of the close of the war. He always served as a volunteer, and always went when called out. He states when he first heard of the acts of congress making provision for soldiers of the Revolutionary War, he was old and rendered frail by disease, and is now induced from his utter helplessness to ask a pension from a Government he contributed to es- tablish. He moved from Henry to Berkeley county Virginia; then afterwards to Mason county then 50, or 57 years ago, and thence to Bracken county where he has lived ever since, say 41 years. He recollects that James McGill was in the company when marched to Brandywine, also the name of Saml. Bayley who was in the company commanded by Capt. Geo. Taylor. But these men with whom he served are both dead; and he could state the names of several others who served with him, but he believes they are all dead, and he knows of no living witness by whom or by whom he could refer as having any knowledge of his Service. He states if he ever received a written discharge, he does not recollect it, or by whom it was given, but always served as

soldier, except on one occasion he acted as lieutenant for a while in Capt. Taylor's company but had no commission. He hereby relinquishes all claim to any pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the Pension roll of the agency of any state or Territory. He refers to the Hon. Johnathan Beevers late member of congress from this district and Major John D. Morford. John King and John Hamilton of this county who may have frequently heard him speak of serving in the war of the Revolution. The declarant states that from bodily infirmity he has been unable for some years to attend at the court of this county, living now about 12 miles from the county seat. He has no record of his age. It was once put down in his father's Bible, but that has long since been torn out & lost.
Sworn to & subscribed the day 13 th of December 1839. John Young
J. Schoofield J.P. 66.
We Peter Mains, a clergyman residing in the county of Bracken and residing in the same hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Young who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration: that we believe him to be 87 years of age; that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Also, Sworn to, and subscribed the 13 th and 19 th days of December 1839. { Peter Mains Henry Spence J. Schoofield J.P. 66.
Now I, Joseph Schoofield one of the justices com- =posing the county court of Bracken county being

a court of record, do hereby declare thereby after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary soldier, and served as he states. And also further certify, that it appears to me that Peter Mains, who has signed the preceding certificate, is a clergyman residing in Bracken county, and that Henry Spees, who has also signed the same, is a resident of the same county, and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit. And I also further certify, that the above named applicant John Young, has been for some time, and now is from bodily in- firmity unable to attend the court of his county.
The good standing and respectability of the individ- uals, to whom the applicant refers as having frequently heard him speak of his services in the war of the Revolution, there can be no doubt; and so far as he is known to his oldest neighbors, that is so believed; so far as the undersig- ned has made enquiry among them; and sought for information and evidence concerning the applicant's actual service.
D. Schoelfield j. B.B.
Kentucky Bracken County Set.
I John Payne Clerk of the court for the county aforesaid do hereby certify that Joseph Schoelfield Esq. whose signature is attached to the foregoing certi- ficate and before whom the foregoing declaration appear to have been made was at the date of said declaration and certificate one of the Justices of the court for the county aforesaid, duly Com- missioned therefor, and that to all his official acts as such full faith and credit is and ought to be given as well in courts of record as elsewhere.

as thereout.
Young John
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal of office this 23 d day of December 1839.
Wm Lloyd

D. S. John Young 2 nd Kentucky Bracken Co Mett. 11962
Mr Garret Davis H R
Young, John Va R11962
5115

24.25 35 47.35 104.00
754.18 104.60 649.58
Col. J. W. Pitts
Present
J. L. Edwards Esq Com. of Pensions Wash. City

Falmouth Ky July 29 th 1844
Col. J. H. Tibbets.
Dear Sir
Since receiving your letter date 30 April last , enclosing Mr Edward's (claim of Pensions) letter dated 29 th April last (copy I presume) to the Hon. R. French informing that: "In the case of John Young, the Secretary of War had decided adversely to his claim upon the grounds that: John Young himself states, his time of service to have fallen short of six months." &c. &c. Your letter also gives the information, that Mr French was attending to the case for Mr Sugget of Georgetown Scott County Ky and the papers were transmitted to him - I say since receiving the above facts by your letter and its inclosures, Mr James Young the son of John Young of Breckin, had been up to see Mr Sugget, not having been informed how Mr Sugget came into the management of his father's case - and Mr Sugget informs him, that the John Young Mr French was attending to was of Bath County Ky and not the John Young of Breckin, whose situation I detailed to you, and to whose papers my inquiries had relation -
The John Young to whose pension papers my inquiries related, resides in Breckin County Ky and has for many years past resided in Breckin - As Mr Schoolfield of Breckin prepared his declarations and proofs and confided them to the Hon. Garrett Davis while the representative of this his old cause former Congressional District, and our best information is that the papers received

the pension office either through Mr Davis or Mr Schoolfield and owing to some slight defect were either suspended for further proof or rejected. However let this be as it may they were sent on, (as the information is) to Washington to the Pension Office, and the family have not been able to hear any thing of them certainly since.
It is the object of Mr Young to ascertain where the papers are defective, and to make such amendments as are in his power, and having discovered, that, the John Young case to which Mr Edwards letters refer is from Brattle and therefore not the John Young from Bracken, he requests that you inform Mr Edwards of the mistake as to identity and procure an examination for John Young's papers of Bracken and their transactions for amendment, or information as to the defect of proof.
Respectfully
Yours J. H. H. H. H.

J. L. Edwards Esq Com. of Pennians.
Dear Sir
I will be obliged
to you to give your ear list at = tention to the enclosed letter & papers. - please send your answer to S. T. Hauser Esq - Salisbury St - Pendleton County Ky -
27 th July '66
very respect for the John W. Libbott
ctd 22 100 00 20 00 2 00
Recd

11. 762 P. O. _____
Service: _____
Enlisted: _____, 18
Discharged: _____, 18
Application filed: _____, 18
Alleged The printed list of 1852 gives cause of suspension of claim of Re-enlisted John Young 2nd of Bracken Co. Ky as follows. "A more intelligible and complete setting forth of his service is required."
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____
Contract.
_____ Cert. of Dis. _____
Searched for _____
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24045 John Young 2 nd Kentucky
Suspended
See let 8 Jan 1840
Hon. G. Davis
let to duty Jan 1840
let to Hon. J. W. White 29 Aug
1844 - to Hon. R. French 29 Aug
1844 - to Hon. G. Davis 1844
Applying to J. Young 2 nd
Act 7 June 1832
to S. J. Hays 1844 Hays & Hays, Attorneys
E. P. Cullom 0 Aug 11/52

Jan 19. 1842
Rev Youngs.
J. L. Edwards Esq.
Pension Office.
Wm. G. Davis H.R.

House of Rep 17 th Jan y 1841
J. L. Edwards Esqr
Sir,
I enclose you the letter of Mr. Geo. Young upon the subject of his application for a pension. Will you have the goodness to direct the information which he desires, to be communicated to me
Your obb
Servt
Gerrit Davis

April 29, 1844

War. of Rep. 29 th Apr. 1844 J. L. Edwards Esq My Dear Sir
I beg leave to call your attention to the enquiries made in the enclosed letter & that you will give me the desired information at your ear- liest convenience - at the same time you will oblige me by returning the letter enclosed -
very respectfully.
your obedt. servt.
John W. Little

Pension Office April 29 th 1844.
Sir,
I have the honor to return you the letter of Mr. Henson, and to enclose you a copy of my letter of this date, to Hon R. Fruck, which will show the condition of the application of John Young, of Kentucky, for a Pension.
I have the honor to be, My respectfully, Your obed t Servant J L Edwards
Hon J. W. Tibbatts, House of Representatives.

11. 10. 44 Hen J. M. Tibbals, April 29. 1844

679 Pension Office, April 29. 1844
Sir,
I have the honor to return you the letter of Mr Hanson, And to enclose you a copy of my letter of this date, to the Hon R French, which will show the condition of the Application of John Young of Kentucky for a Pension.
Hon J W Tipton, House of Reps,

Dear Mr. French
Oct 29 '44

Pension Office April 29. 1844
Sir,
In the case of John Young, the Secretary of War has decided adversely to his claim. The Secretary has made the following remarks on his papers:
This was an error. It refers to the claim of John Young of Greenup Co. Ky. Express Rider later admitted to 2000.
"In his declaration John Young himself states his term of service to have been fallen short of the six months. This is decisive upon this branch of his case. As an Express Rider he appears to have been very active and useful; but for such services there is no law granting him a pension. The decision of the Commissioner is confirmed. " Copies of papers are herewith enclosed. I have the honor C
Hon. R. French House of Rep
act 1832 Ker. Index Gules this letter (see index)

Dear G. Davis
May 8 1844

163 Pension Office, May 8. 1844
Sir,
I have the honor to inform you that the papers in the case of John Young of Breckin County Ky. were filed on the 8 th of January 1840, and a report made to you on that day, and another also on the 19 th January 1842. On the 29 th of last month a letter was addressed to the Hon R French and on the same day another to Hon J. Wilkatz, in this case. I enclose herewith a copy of my letter to Hon Mr. French which will shew the situation of the claim.
No pension has been allowed Mr. Shrive, nor does it appear that an application for one has been made by a person of that name from Kentucky. If the christian name of Mrs. S. and the agents name who sent the claim had been given perhaps a more successful search could have been made.
Hon. Garrett Pans, House of Reps.

Hom. of Rep. 30 th Ap. 1844 -
V. S. Houser Esq
My Dear Sir
Your esteemed favour of the 20 th inst. has been received - in answer to your enquiries I send you the letter of the Com. of Pensions as to the claim of Mr Young - it seems upon enquiry that Judge French has been attending to this matter for Mr Suggit the agent of Mr Young & the judge informs me that he will enclose the paper referred to, to Mr Suggit -
I am very respectfully
your Mt. servt.
John W. Sibbald

Wm. G. Davis
19 Jan. 1842
OL

Pen. Office
260
Jan 19, 1842
Sir,
I herewith return the letter of Mr John Young in his case and have to state that the letter to you of the 8 th January 1840, a copy of which is herewith enclosed, will show the objection to the claim.
Hon: Garrett Davis H. R.
O. C. entn 1 indt at 32

J. J. Hume
6 Aug. 1844
3
1844
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Sir
81 P. Jan 21 Aug 6. H. H.
It appears that the claim of John Young 2 nd of Bracken has been confounded with that of John Young, 1 st of Green-up. see L 30 1841 In the previous correspondence
John Young 2 nd of Bracken alleges that he resided in Henry Co. Va. during the war and is unable to furnish such the details of his services under several engagements as to enable the Dept. to investigate his claim understanding the statement as far as it goes shows that his memory is too much impaired to authorize his taking an oath or that he has no personal knowledge whatever of the service. Unless his terms of service are narrated as the rules require as to date length & grade names of Officers &c it is impracticable to examine & adjust his claim.
J. T. Hauser Esq.
Falmouth
Pendleton Co. Ky.

Pence Office, Aug 11. 1852.
In I have filed the certificate of the Hon. Richard Young French with the papers of John Young, and deem it sufficient to show that Young is regarded as a Revolutionary soldier in the neighbor- hood. Many say Men reputation as a Rev- olutionary soldier, however, offers no ground for pension - which it is granted only on evidence of service. Young on the 21 st day of October 1838, made a declaration under the Act of June 7, 1832, for certain terms of military duty rendered under the authority of H. C. Anderson - but it was very improperly set forth and entirely unsupported by Record or parole testimony. If he had at the time been further to prosecute his claim, he would apply to the Comptroller of H. C. Anderson for evi- dence of service - and also obtain the corroboration

proof of comrades who are themselves pensioners
I have to
Hon. J. C. Mason
Aug 11/82
Hon J. C. Mason, House of Reps.

War Dept: Pen. Office Jany 8, 1840
Sir,
The declaration of John Young has been examined and filed in this office. It would appear that the claim of a person of his name, residing in Kentucky was rejected on the 17 th May 1833 and a letter of that date, a copy of which is herewith enclosed stating the reasons for rejecting the claim addressed to Genl. St. Ward at Greenupburg. Ky. It should be plain the papers were sent to Hon. A. Davis, in Feb 7 1834. If the applicant is the same person who applied in 1833 it should be so shown, and the papers originally exhibited sent to this office. The declaration now exhibited is too indefinite as to the offices, period of service, and duration of each tour. The militia served in
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terms of short duration, and it is for such terms of actual service in a military capacity, as can be fully set forth as required in the enclosed printed regulations, that a pension can be allowed.
39 Jany 8 40 G. M. ...
Hon. Garret Davis N. R.
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