Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 11806, John D Winne, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER _____
New York
Winne, John D
S. 11806
carded
CONTENTS

New York 14754
John D. Winne of Bethlehem in the State of N. Y. who was a private in the Company commanded by Captain Winne of the Regt commanded by Col. Sackenbor in the New York line for
18. months 8. days.
Inscribed on the Roll of N. Y. at the rate of 60. Dollars 88. Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1834.
Certificate of Pension issued the 18. day of June 1833. and sent to James Van Ingen, Albany, N.Y.
Arrears to the 4th of March 1833 - 126. 76. Semi-ant. allowance ending 4 Sept. 33 - 30. 44.
$ 157. 20.
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by Franciosi Clerk, Book E. Vol. 4. Page 38.

Dead
Paid at the Treasury under the act of the 1 st April 1838 from 4 th March 1837 to 30 April 1837, the day of his death. age Notified 11. April 1839.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT.
Second Comptroller's Office,
April 4 th , 1839.
Sir:
Under the act of the 6th of April, 1838 entitled "An act directing the transfer of money remaining unclaimed by certain Pensioners, and authorizing the payment of the same at the Treasury of the United States," The children of John D. Winne, a Pensioner on the Roll of the Albany, N. York, Agency, at the rate of Sixty — Dollars and eighty eight Cents per annum, under the law of the 7 th June, 1832, has been paid at this Department, from the 4 th of March 1837, to the 30 th April, 1837, the day of his death,
Respectfully, yours,
W. B. Parsons Comptroller.
To the Commissioner of Pensions, Present.

13. 419
John D. Winne all as of 6 th Nyack
admitted 18 mo. 8 days Private $60:88
5 P. 374 Specific reg d
May 6 th 33
James Van Ingen

BRIEF in the case of  John D Winne  County of Albany  in the State of  New York  (Act 7th June, 1832.)
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Open Court  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?  3. How old is he? 73  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days.     In 1776 3 or 4 Weeks Private Gen. Colt Lauchenbos   April 1777 3 or 4 Weeks Colt Murrup O'Neil   Same year 1777 Line of service not stated   he has been in service for a period of not less than eighteen months  
 5. In what battles was he engaged? Surrender of Burgoyne  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Albany New York  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? No written or oral rolls  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? Papers not attached or required 
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
amended Declaration    1776  —  28    1777  —  21    1778  5  28    1779  —  21     10      18 mos 8   
Nicholas Loutly Examining Clerk.

DECLARATION
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress, passed June 7, 1832.
STATE OF NEW-YORK, } ss. COUNTY of Albany }
On the first day of August 1832, personally appeared in open court, before the Justices of the Justices Court of the City of Albany now sitting, John D. Winne a resident of the Town of Bethlehem in the county of Albany and state of New York aged on the 20th day of October next seventy three years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath, make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress, passed June 7, 1832. That he entered the service of the United States, under the following named officers, and served as herein stated: he was enrolled in the militia in the year 1776 in Capt. William Winne's Company in Col. Henry Duackenbott's Regiment in the Brigade whereof Abraham Ten Broeck Esquire was Brigadier General; that his first service was on a tour to Saratoga, together with the Albany Regiment under the Command of Col. Jacob Lansing Junr. and remained there for at least three or four weeks, and until he was discharged — that in the year 1777 this Declarer, hired to go on the 30th April, with five others of Captain Winne's men, to go as substitutes for Clappers, to march to Fort Edward, under the Command of Captain Henry Cothart, and after remaining three or four weeks, he was discharged and returned home — the same year he went to Saratoga, at the time General Burgoyne & his army came down from the northward, and continued in service with the Army until he capitulated, & until he was discharged and returned home; but he never received a written discharge on any occasion; That in the course of the Revolutionary War he has been in service for a period of not less than eighteen months — He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state.
Sworn to and subscribed, the day and year aforesaid.
J. G. Wapson Clk
John D. Winne
WE Samuel Kipsam a Clergyman, residing in the Town of Bethlehem and Simon Veeder residing in the town of Guilderland hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with John D. Winne who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be Seventy three years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed, the day and year aforesaid.
J. G. Wapson Clk
Samuel Kipsam Simon Veeder
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them, that Samuel Kipsam who hath signed the preceding certificate, is a Clergyman resident in the Town of Bethlehem ; and that Simon Veeder who has also signed the same, is a resident of the Town of Guilderland and is a credible person, and that their statements are entitled to credit.
I John G. Wapson Clerk of the Justices Court of the City of Albany DO HEREBY CERTIFY, that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of said Court, in the matter of the application of John D. Winne — for a pension.
IN TESTIMONY whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this 20th day of September — A. D. 1832.
John G. Wapson Clk
The Secy of War is respectfully directed to look over the papers herewith named as they contain the names of the following military units: John D. Winne, Grand Sear. John Sear. Henry Kirtland. This is a respectfully taken from the papers by the Secy of War.

John Winne, April 30 1777 John Van Wey John Van Deusen Peter H. Lanburgh juner Uzziah Conger Jellias Orbel Eysta Winnes Men
Before the Justices Court } of the City of Albany } On the day of the date within writtent, in open court, personally appeared John D. Winne, the person who hath subscribed & sworn to the within declaration, and made oath, that the "John Winne" whose name is written on the paper writing hereunto an- nexed, and underscored with red ink, was intended and written as the name of this deponent, whose signature since, has been and still is "John D. Winne, as subscribed to this deposition." Subscribed & sworn to } on the day & year aforesaid } J. G. Watson Clerk  John D. Winne
John D. Winne's
Declaration
County of Albany. Before the Justices Court of the City of Albany. In open court personally appeared Isaac Van Alstyne of the Town of Bethlehem aged seventy seven years on the 14 th June last, who is to this Court well known as a person of strict truth and veracity, who being duly sworn, deposith of faith, that he is well & intimately acquainted with John D. Winne who hath subscribed & sworn to the within declaration, and hath known him for sixty years last past and whereof, having resided within five miles of each other, that he this deponent hath heard the declaration of the said John D. Winne, as written on the other side, read, and that he doth verily believe from what he himself knows of his own knowledge, and from the information of others, that the facts therein detailed are true, in all the particulars - Sworn and subscribed to the 20 th Sept 1832 John G. Watson Clerk -  Isaac Van Alstyne
STATE OF NEW-YORK COUNTY OF ALBANY On the day of in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two

information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau. John D. Kinnear Cur. File 11806
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     1776 4 weeks Pvt William Kinnear Henry Jaackenbos N.Y. militia   Apr. 30. 1777 4 weeks Sgt. airk Henry Oothout   May or June 1777 5 mos. Pvt. William Kinnear   1778 4 weeks " William Kinnear   Oct. 1779 3 weeks " John Van Rie Volkert Tee der   10 mos. " William Kinnear in N.Y. militia   at various times  
Battles engaged in, 1
Residence of soldier at enlistment, 1
Date of application for pension, Aug. 1. 1832 The cl. was cl.
Residence at date of application, Bethlehem Albany Co. N.Y.
Age at date of application, { born Oct. 9 1759 died Apr. 30 1837
Remarks: Children referred to as names stated.

Dec 8/03 Release to be on depts thru Reg Int. 1908 Oct. 12. Hist. To Mrs. Lukas. L. Nick. P.L. 1908 Oct. 23 Mrs. Lukas. L. Nick that name of wife is not stated etc (see letter inside) 1914 June 22, Hist to Hon Wm P. Borland letter in L. 26922 John Winn. P.
Rev. Wm
11.806 INVALID.
File No. 11.806
John D. Winn Priv. Rev. wa
Act: June 7 th 1832
Index:—Vol. 2 , Page 411
[Arrangement of 1870.]

BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims , of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of John D. Winne which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? yes III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? no V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? no VI. Each hour of service should be separately & distinctly stated in a supplemental affidavit. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? no VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? yes VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? yes IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? yes X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? yes

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? yes XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? XIV. †If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? yes Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? yes XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? yes XVI. ‡Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? yes XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?  1-2
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words: "Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
†QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
‡QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
¶ In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

In the matter of the application of John D. Wine, as a republican for a Pension under the Act of Congress of June 7, 1832.
Additional Declaration.

State of New York City & County of Albany ss. Personally appeared this 16 th day of May 1833 before me Gerrit L. Doox the undersigned Justice of the Peace in & for the said City and County. I Am D r Winne of the town of Bethlehem in said County, an applicant for a Pension under the act of Congress of June 7 th 1832 who being duly sworn doth depose and say that by reason of old age and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; - In the year 1776 for not less than four weeks I served as a private in Captain William Winne's Company, as mentioned in my original declaration - In the year 1777 for not less than three weeks (and I believe four weeks ) I served in Capt Henry Outhouts Company, as stated in my original declaration, as a Sergeant and clerk to the Captain. In the same year 1777 I was called out in the Company of Militia commanded by Capt William Winne, and went with said Company under his command, first to Fort Edward and afterwards joined the Army at Saratoga, then under the command, as I understood and believe, of Genl Schuyler. I think it was in the

month of May or June , that I went to Fort Edward and Saratoga as above stated I recollect that it was before harvest - I was in the service as a private in said company commanded by capt William Weir, from that time until after the capture of Burgoyne's army in October 1777 when I was discharged.
I was in said service according to the best of my recollection, as last above stated, for a period not less than five months , as a private - In the 1778 I was ordered out in the company of militia commanded by capt William Weir, and went to Schoharie and was stationed at the upper Fort, so called, I was in service on that occasion, as a private , not less than four weeks - I was then discharged and returned home to my residence in Bethlehem -
I afterwards served in the company of militia commanded by capt John Van Wie. I think it was in the year 1779 - It was in the year in which Schoharie was burnt by the British and Indians under Johnston & Brandt - I went with said company to Schoharie - It was in the fall, I think in the month of October - I served on that occasion, as a private for more than three weeks & was then discharged, and returned home - The militia stationed at Schoharie at that time were commanded

ed by Col Volkert Veder Heint Col Barent Staats and the company to which I belonged was under their command.
I was also frequently called out as a Militia man or private at other times during the revolutionary war & served as such in the company commanded by Capt W m Winne, in which I was regularly enrolled, in the county of Albany. but am not able to state the different periods that I served as last mentioned, but am confident that they amounted in the whole to not less than ten months , besides the periods above particularly specified. Making in the whole a period of not less than eighteen months and one week , and for such services I claim a pension
Sworn and Subscribed this 2 d  John T. Winne 16 th day of May 1833 before me
Gerrit L. Dose Just Peace
City & County of Albany Clerk's Office.
ss. I Conrad A. Van Eyck Clerk of the said County Do hereby certify that Gerrit L. Dose Esq. before whom the preceding Declaration purports to have been sworn was at the date of the same one of the Justices of the Peace in and for said County. That I am acquainted with his hand writing & verily believe his name subscribed to the said Declaration to be his proper hand writing & signature
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my name and affixed the seal of said County this 16 th day of May A.D. 1833. C.A. Van Eyck Clerk for Lucas Weeks Deputy

S. file 11806, John D. Winne, who was born Oct. 9, 1759, enl. in 1776 + served short terms in the N. Y. Mil. at various times, under Capts. William Winne Henry Oothout, John Van Nie, Cols Henry Zuackenbos + Volkert Veeder. He was

alld pers. on his apph spec aug. 1. 1832 while a res of Bethlehem, Albany Co., N.Y. He died apl. 30, 1837.

Frost Plain, N.Y. Sept. 30, 1908.  Dept of the Interior, Bureau of Pensions, Washington, D.C.
Gentlemen:- I am desirous of joining the D.A.R. and am trying to find out if I am eligible before making application, and ask your help. Below I give list of my ancestors, my name before marriage was Myra Pitcher. Father Francis E. Pitcher mother Clara E. Winne Mother's ancestor my grand father Nicholas J. Winne " " mother Almina Brunk great " father John Winne " " mother Lanie Houck " " father Henry Brunk great " " mother Rebecca Fowler " " " father Lewis Fowler " " " mother do not know " " " father Nicholas Brunk " " " mother Elizabeth Miller (over)
!!

Fathers ancestors my grand father Wm Pitcher " " mother Mary Secor great " father Richard Secor " " mother — Tiger " " father Helmas Pitcher " " mother Caroline Zimmer
I find on looking through the Book of enlisted men in the Rev the following names of my ancestors. I also find a Wm. Zimmer and think he is my great grand-mother's father. As he is from Albany I am more convinced as my people lived in Albany Co. between Albany & on the Helderberg moun- tains at Thompson's Lake, N. Y.
The list I kindly ask your assistance in.
John D. Nims Laurie Houck-wife Albany Co. Militia, Land Bounties, Rights, 3rd Regt, Capt. John Vanderheyden (one)

Levis Fowler negative do not know wife
Orange Co. Militia Second Regt.
Col. Am Hawk Hay
Lieut. Col. Gilbert Boorer, -----
{ John J. Nimer negative Dana Houck wife
The Line & The Series.
Col. Fred Weissenfels, -----
----- Mrs. Zimmer negative Albany Co Militia 15th Regt.
Lieut David Becker
I would kindly ask you to trace these for me at your earliest convenience, assuring you it will be greatly appreciated Thanking you in advance for your trouble. I remain
Yours very truly, Mrs. Chas. L. Wick, 30 River St., Fort Plain, N.Y.
(pm)

address
Mrs Chas. L. Nick 30 River St., Fort Plain, N.Y.

S.11806
Fort Plain, N.Y.
Oct. 17, 1918
Dept. of Interior, Bureau of Pensions, Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir:-
Your letter of the 13th inst. received. Sorry, indeed, to hear that you could find out nothing definite in regard to John J. Winnie, Wm Zimmer or Lewis Horder. Is there any other source from which I may obtain further information? You kindly advise me.
Record of John D. Winnie received. Can you tell me the name of his wife before her marriage? It may be he was a relative.
Thanking you for your kindness, I remain,
Yours very truly Mrs. Chas. L. Nick, 30 River St., Fort Plain, N.Y.

Record Division.
October 23, 1908.
Mrs. Charles L. Wick, # 30 River Street, Fort Plain, New York.
Madam:
In reply to your letter dated the 17" and received the 19" instant, you are advised that in the claim Sur. File No. 11,806, John D. Winne, the name of his wife is not stated.
Such rolls of the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 as are now in possession of the Government, are in the custody of the Adjutant General, U. S. A., the Department. Original rolls and other records pertaining to service in the Revolutionary War may also be found in the Archives of many of the original States.
Very respectfully,
Commissioner.