Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 24739, Jacob Wilber, New York

SERVICE
New York
NUMBER
W 24739
Wilber Jacob Reed, Elizabeth Former widow
CONTENTS

5648 New York  Albany
Elizabeth Reed widow of Jacob Miller
my who served in the Revolutionary war, as a Private
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 80 Dollars 00
Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1848.
Certificate of Pension issued the 2 nd day of May 1838 and sent to
S. Goshorn Esq Present
Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act February 2, 1848, Page 176 , Vol. 4

State of New York. Schenectady County, ss
on this twelfth day of December A.D. 1850. appeared before me the undersigned a Commissioner of Deeds within and for said County and State Nathan Wilber of Glenville in said County of Schenectady Aged seventy one years, who being duly sworn according to law says: that he was born in a place called Tower Mill near Dover in Dutchess County in this State. Jacob Wilber lived in the family of Gideon Wilber, with this deponent, the said Gideon Wilber was the Father of both of us, the said Jacob was the son of his first wife deceased, and this deponent was the son of his second wife Ruth Wilber, now living in the town of Clifton Park Saratoga County, with this deponent's brother Samuel Wilber. This deponent's Mother and family, before the Revolutionary War resided in said Dutchess County and during the war: The said Jacob and his brothers, Ichobed and Esey all enlisted in the Army, and as this deponent was informed and believes for 5 years or during the war. The said Esey is reputed to have died in the service, and the said Ichobed, is said to have left the service before the expiration of the war, as this deponent believes The said Jacob this said Brothers enlisted in Captain Johnsons Company and Colonel Lewis Dubois Regiment. This deponent recollects the time he went into the Army, and when he returned home from the Army: He enlisted according to his best recollection and belief in the spring of 1777 and returned home in the winter of 1782, and continued to live with this deponent in his fathers family until we all removed to Saratoga County, the said Jacob afterwards went to reside in Duaneburgh Schenectady County, then called Albany County. In the fall of the year 1792: This deponent was informed that said Jacob

Wilber married Elizabeth Harris at Duanesburgh aforesaid: the said Elizabeth was the Daughter of Ebenezer Harris formerly of Dutchess County: with whom this deponent was acquainted previous to their remo- =val to Duanesburgh; on hearing of their marriage this deponent and his brother started to visit them; to wit the said Jacob and Elizabeth, but met them both near the City of Schenectady. on their way to this depon- ents father and mother's residence in Clifton Park. in said County of Saratoga: They both then declared they were married, this was in the fall of 1792. This deponent and his Brother returned with them to his said fathers. and the wedding was kept up there; an enter- =tainment was made there by his fathers family on that occasion this deponent being present. This deponent and his father's family visited the said Jacob and Elizabeth and they lived together as husband and wife; and were so reputed to be, till the said Jacob died. and the said Elizabeth afterwards married Thomas Reed now deceased. and remained a Widow ever after- wards. & unmarried: This deponent's attention has been called to the fact of their marriage, and the time it took place. and has no doubt of the same. and the circum- stance of meeting them near Schenectady, in the fall of 1792. and of returning with them, to keep up the wed- =ding at his fathers & mothers dwelling. are facts which he cannot be mistaken, and which he has a distinct recollection: The recollection after which has been kept up in the family. and has formed the subject of conversation. with their said mother & others. of the relations - This deponent has no interest in the application
Sworn & Subs.cribed this
day of December 1852
before me. and I certify
that the deponent is a
reputed to be a man of strict
truth & veracity, & a credible witness
E. Nathan Wilber
Edward Rosa Commissioner of Deeds

STATE OF NEW-YORK, County of Schenectady,—Clerk's Office, } ss.
I, DAVID P. FORREST, Clerk of the County of Schenectady, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That Edward Rosa Esq. before whom the foregoing Affidavit was subscribed and sworn, was, at the time of taking the same, a Commissioner of Pleas in and for said County, duly elected , commissioned and qualified as such; and that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Edward Rosa and verily believe that the signature to the said Affidavit and Certificate is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the said County, this 9 th day of December 1850.
D. P. Forrest Clerk.

Claim of Elizabeth Reed as widow of Jacob Wilber.
Depositions of Ruth Wilber & Samuel Wilber.

State of New York, Saratoga County ss: On the fifth day of December in the year one thousand eight hundred and fifty. appeared before me the undersigned Justice of the peace within and for the County of Saratoga aforesaid Ruth Wilber who being duly sworn according to law deposes and says: That she resides in the town of Clifton Park in the County of Saratoga: That she is 95 years old, and is the widow of Gideon Wilber deceased, and was the second wife by marriage of the said Gideon Wilber: That she and her family lived in Dutchess County, before they removed to this place: That Jacob Wilber was a son of her said hus- =band by his first wife. That this deponent was the step mother of the said Jacob Wilber: That said Jacob lived in the family of this deponent until he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the Revolutionary war with Great Britain, on the Continental establishment in Captain Johnson's Company of Infantry, in Colonel Dubois' Regiment, as she was then informed and verily believes. That said Jacob was absent in the service about 5 years, and after his dis- =charge he returned back to the dwelling of this deponent, and remained in the family of this deponent until, and after her family removed to Saratoga County, her present residence.
This deponent was well acquainted with Elizabeth Harris, who resided in her father's family, and neighbor to this deponent in Dutchess County. That the family of this deponent and that of the said Elizabeth removed from Dutchess County: this deponent's family to Saratoga County, and the said Elizabeth to Schenectady County: and in the year 1792, and on or about the latter part of December of that year. That it was reported & believed among their relatives and acquaint- =ances, that the said Jacob and Elizabeth were married. That a few days thereafter the said Jacob and Elizabeth both visited this deponent and family, and both of them

declared that that time that they were married That the said Jacob and Elizabeth who ever lived together after their marriage in 1792 calling each other husband and wife, and were reputed and believed to have been married at the time aforesaid and until the year 1806 when the said Jacob died. The said Jacob and Elizabeth often interchanged visits with this deponent and family, until the death of said Jacob. That said Elizabeth afterwards married Thomas Reed who died in 1837 as she was informed and believes. and that the said Elizabeth remained a widow after that and did not marry again
That this deponent is positive that the said Jacob Wilber, who served in the Revolutionary Army in Captain Johnson's Company, in Colonel Lewis Subois' Regiment, is the identical Jacob Wilber who married the said Elizabeth Harris late in the fall of 1792: That a few days after the time of their said Marriage the said Jacob and Elizabeth, came over to deponent's house, and celebrated the wedding. This deponent and family made an entertainment on that account, and they professed themselves hus- band and wife, and were so accounted till the death of the said Jacob Wilber and that she has no interest in her Ruth Wilber mark
Witnes John Philo
On the day of the date first above written Sworn before me the undersigned Justice of the peace. And I certify that by reason of old age and the loss of her eye sight the deponent was unable to write her name and she affixed her mark to her name Also certify that she is a credible witness & a highly respectable woman
John Philo Justice of the Peace

State of New York Saratoga County ss: on this / 10th day of December A D one thousand eight hundred and fifty appeared before the undersigned a Justice of the peace in and for the said County of Saratoga and tale aforesaid Samuel Wilber who being duly sworn says that he is Sixty Four years old, and is the son of the above deponent Ruth Wilber, who was the step Mother of Jacob Wilber: That this deponent was born in Dutchess County and removed with his father and mother to Clifton Park in said County of Saratoga. That this deponent knew not only the said Jacob Wilber; previous to his marriage with Elizabeth Harris that he knew the said Elizabeth before and at the time of, and after her marriage with Jacob Wilber: That it was reported and believed that they were married in the fall of 1792; That after the death of said Jacob Wilber the said Elizabeth married Thomas Reed, who is reputed to be dead - That said Jacob & Elizabeth, often exchanged visits with the family of this deponent: That said Ruth Wilber his said Mother, retains her faculties, and partic- ularly her recollection of past events. her memory is remarkably reten- tive and precise: The said Ruth lives in the family of this deponent. That said Jacob & Elizabeth were reputed to be beloved among their relatives & acquaintances to have been husband & wife, until said Jacob died. That said Elizabeth is now the widow of Thomas Reed deceased. This deponent was a mere boy when they were married but has a distinct recollection of them, and of their visits to his mother and family: This deponent has no interest in this application -
Samuel Wilber
Sworn & subscribed to the date first above written and I certify that deponent is a respectable citizen and a credible witness -
John Philo Justice of the peace

State of New York, } ss. Saratoga County Clerk's office. }
I, JAMES W. HORTON, CLERK OF THE SAID COUNTY, do hereby certify, That
John Philo was on the day of the date of the above DECLARATION and CERTIFICATE; a
Notice of the Peace in and for said County, duly elected and sworn, and that the signature to the Jurat of the above Declaration and to the above Certificate purporting to be his, is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my name, and affixed the Seal of said County, this 9 th day of December , in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and fifty
James W. Horton CLERK.

State of New York Schenebady County } ss On this 30th day of July 1850 appeared before me the undersigned a Commissioner of said County, Ruth Wilber who being duly sworn ac- cording to law Deposes and says. that she resides in the town of Clifton Park in the County of Saratoga and that she is Ninety five years of age. and is the widow of Gideon Wilber deceased. and was the second wife by marriage of the said Gideon Wilber. that she lived in Dutchess County before they removed to this place. That Jacob Wilber was a son of her said husband by his first wife : That she was his step Mother and he lived in the family with this Deponent until he enlisted in the Army of the United States on the Continental Establishment in Captain Johnson's Company of Infantry in the New York line : That they lived in Dutchess County at the time of the enlistment of the said Jacob & at the time he was discharged. and the said Jacob after his discharge returned home to the family of this Deponent.
This Deponent was well acquainted with Elizabeth Harris & the father & family of said Elizabeth previous to the respective families removing from Dutchess County - That the said Elizabeth & her father's family removed from Dutchess County after the war. and this Deponent her husband's family removed to Clifton Park in the County of Saratoga. & the said Elizabeth & her father's family removed to Duaneburgh in the County of Scho- -neady and the said Jacob Wilber lived in the family with this Deponent - and removed to Duaneburgh afore- -said. That in the year one thousand seven hundred & ninety two said Jacob Wilber married said Elizabeth Harris. on or about the latter part of December 1792. That the said Jacob & Elizabeth was well known to this Deponent both before and at the time & after their marriage. That they both visited this Deponent in Clifton Park aforesaid

and both of them declared that they were married : That said Elizabeth then and the said Jacob lived together as man & wife. and so called and known until said Jacob Wilber died in the year 1806 As she is informed and believes. The families of the said Jacob & Elizabeth often exchanged visits with Deponents family That said Elizabeth afterwards married to Thomas Reed in the year 1824.
That the said Thomas Reed as she is informed & believes, died in May 1837. and that the said Elizabeth has remained a widow ever since.
This deponent is positive that the said Jacob Wilber. who served in the Revolutionary War on the Continental Establishment. is the identical Jacob Wilber who married the said Elizabeth. and that the said Elizabeth married the said Thomas Reed and lived with him till he died. & remained a widow ever after that - That a few days after the marriage of the said Jacob & Elizabeth in 1792 aforesaid. they came over to Deponents house and kept up the wedding -
Before me the person known to me to be the person described in and who is the person described in the within and who is the person described in the within
Subscribed over the 3 rd line of the 1 st page Her mark
Sworn to before me the 30 th July 1850
and I certify that I acquainted with
the Deponent Ruth Wilber. that she is
highly esteemed & respected in her neighborhood
as a woman of exemplary piety, of a remarkable
memory. and is a credible witness.
That by reason of the failure of her eyesight
& old age. she could not write her name. and at her request
I wrote her name and guided her hand to make her mark
hereto after slowly and audibly reading the above Depo
sition to her before she swore to the truth of the same.
Thomas Palmer Commissioner of Leeds

State of New York Schenectady County Ss
On this 30th day of July 1850 before me appeared the Undersigned a Commissioner of Deeds Samuel Wilber of Clifton Park in the County of Saratoga who being duly sworn according to law says that he was born in Otsego County, and removed with his father's family to Clifton Park aforesaid. That Ruth Wilber now lives in the family of this deponent and is the — Mother of this deponent. That she is possessed of her faculties and particularly of her memory of past events in a great degree
That this deponent was well acquainted with Jacob Wilber who was the step son of the said Ruth Wilber, and Elizabeth Harris before her marriage that they were reputed among their friends & acquaintances to have been married. That they visited this deponent and called each other as man and wife: and that their families often exchanged visits —
That this deponent is informed and believes that after the death of said Jacob Wilber, said Elizabeth married Thomas Reed, and lived with him until he died and she remained a widow ever after: That it was always reputed and believed among the relatives & friends of the said Jacob and Elizabeth that they were married in 1792
As the words "And Elizabeth Harris before her marriage" first interlined before sworn to
Samuel Wilber
Sworn to before me the 30 th July 1850
Subscribed in my presence — I have been long acquainted with the deponent's family he is a respectable citizen, held various offices in the Town both civil & military, and is a credible witness
Thomas Allen Commissioner of Deeds

State of New York Schenectady County Clerks office Is
I David Forrest Clerk of said County do certify That Thomas Palmer whose name is subscribed to the depositions of the Samuel Wilber & Ruth Wilber annexed herewith. was at the date thereof a Commissioner of deeds in & for said County & State. and duly authorized to take the said depositions: That I am acquainted with the handwriting of the said Commissioner. and that his name subscribed to the jurats of the said depo- sitions is in the proper hands writing of the said Commissioner
In testimony whereof I have hereunto sub- scribed my name & affixed my seal of office the 30 th day of July 1850
D. F. Forrest Clerk

Schenectady March 25 th 1850
J. L. Edwards Esq., Commr of Pensions.
I send herewith Deposition of Nathan Wilber Brother of Jacob Wilber, a private in Col. Lewis Dubois' Regiment in Capt. Johnson's Co. in the Revolutionary war, to substantiate the claim of his widow Elizabeth, now the widow of Thomas Reed dec'd.
Nathan Wilber & Jacob Wilber, had the same Father, but different Mothers. They lived in the same family; he recollects Jacob's enlistment in Col. Dubois' Re- giment, in Capt. Johnson's Co., also his service, & his return home after the period of his enlistment. He recollects that they were married late in the fall of 1792. That he well knew Elizabeth previous to her marriage & since. He cannot be mistaken as to the identity of Jacob Wilber & Elizabeth, his wife. That Jacob is the one who enlisted & served in Col. Lewis Dubois' Reg't in Capt. Johnson's Co. That he served his time out and that he was the husband of Elizabeth, who was the daughter of Ebenezer Harris, and now the widow of Thomas Reed. It would seem to me this testimony with the map of other testimony would leave no doubt as to her claim.
You draw an inference against her claim, from the length of time since her claim existed, but it must be remembered, that when her husband Jacob Wilber died, the act granting her a pension was not passed. Nor was it passed when Reed died. The mere fact that a person is ignorant of his rights, should not debar him from his just claim. The widow lived in a country town, had married again. There were none of her neighbors who knew she was entitled to a pension, and her attention was not called to it, until about a year & a half ago. See David Morris testimony & her own.
The testimony of Victoria Harris (his wife), & more of Nathan Wilber and many others it is hoped will be conclusive.
Yours most respectfully,
Abel D. Palmer

State of New York. City & County of Schenectady ss:
On this 19th day of March 1850 appeared before me the Undersigned a Commissioner of Deeds Nathan Wilber of Glenville in the County of Schenectady. Who being me duly sworn according to law, Deposes and says: that he was born in a place called Lower Mill near Dover in Dutchess County: Jacob Wilber lived in the family of this deponent, and we were brought up together; Jacob Wilber was a brother of this deponent; we had the same father; but different mothers; Jacob Wilber's stepmother, was my mother: our Father's family after the Revolutionary war removed from Dutchess County to Clifton Park Saratoga County, Jacob removed with us. This was in 1790: My brother Jacob Scholick & Esay. Enlisted in the Army in Colonel Lewis Dubois Regiment in Captain Johnson's Company. Jacob Wilber enlisted for 5 years or during the war and served his time out. and this deponent well recollects. When he returned home at the close of the war: He enlisted in the Spring of 1797 and returned home in the winter of 1798. discharged from the service: Jacob Wilber went from Clifton Park to reside in Quanesburgh now Schenectady County then called Albany County: and in the fall of 1792. Married Elizabeth Harris daughter of Ebenezer Harris: This deponent was well acquainted with the said Elizabeth and her father's family in Dutchess County: They also removed from there to Quanesburgh: This deponent's attention has been called to the time of their marriage, the time it took place. and dates, events; This deponent has no doubt in his own mind, and so states the fact to be that they were married in the year 1792 in the latter part of that year, and about Christmas of that year. It was cold weather: This deponent well recollects, that between Christmas & New Year of that year 1792 This deponent and his brother started to visit his said Brother Jacob in Quanesburgh, but met him and

his wife Elizabeth near Schenectady, going to this deponent's Father's house in Clifton Park. This deponent's brother returned with them to their Father's. They both then declared that they had just been married. This deponent's Father the next day, made an entertainment and gathered many of their neighbors, and kept up the wedding; this deponent being present. This deponent has often visited their house & they lived together as man & wife till Jacob died, & Elizabeth his widow married to Thomas Reed now deceased.
Nathan Wilber
Sworn & subscribed to the 19 th day of March 1850. And I certify that the deponent is a respectable citizen and a credible witness —
Thomas P. Wilber Commissioner of Deeds
STATE OF NEW-YORK, County of Schenectady, — Clerk's Office, } ss.
I, DAVID P. FORREST, Clerk of the County of Schenectady, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That Roswell Palmer Esq. before whom the foregoing Affidavit was subscribed and sworn, was, at the time of taking the same, a Commissioner of Deeds in and for said County, duly elected, commissioned and qualified as such; and that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Commissioner and verily believe that the signature to the said Affidavit and Certificate is genuine.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the said County, this — 25 th — day of March 1850.
D. P. Forrest Clerk.

State of New York City and County of Schenectady ss
Marvin Strong against City & County of Schenectady in said State being duly sworn according to law, deposes and says, that he resided in Quanesburgh in said County from during the most part of his life, and only excepting about six years and about three years ago when he removed to the said City of Schenectady. That he has been a Super- visor of said town and a Magistrate and his brother-in-law Abraham Conklin was for a time Town Clerk of said Town.
That this deponent, theretofore became familiar in with the Records of said Town. That he never discovered, or heard or believed that any Record of Deaths Births or Marriages was ever kept in the town Records of said town until within last past two or three years, which is required now by an act of the Legislature of this State.
This deponent further says that the Records of the town Clerk of said Town were about sixteen years ago destroyed by fire, at the time the dwelling house of Matthew Putman the town Clerk was destroyed by fire who has removed from said Town. Another deponent further says that he has been for more than twenty five years acquainted with John Victory of said town of Quanesburgh that during that time said Victory resided & now resides in said town. That he is now an old man. He has been a Member of the Legislature of this State, representing this county. That he is a respectable citizen, and a cre- dible witness.
Sworn & subscribed to the 15th day of October 1849
Marvin Strong
Before me
And I certify that I have been personally acquainted with the above deponent for many years past. That he sustains a fair character among his neighbors, and that he is a Credible Witness. I am also acquainted with John Victory of Quanesburgh & Jeremiah Harris of Clifton Park Saratoga county, and they are Credible Witnesses.
Thomas Palmer Commissioner of Deeds

State of New York Schenectady County Is.
Abraham Conklin of Duanesburgh in said County, appeared before me the undersigned a comm commissioner of Deeds in & for the said County on the 18 th day of October 1849, as being duly sworn according to law, deposes and says, that he has been town Clerk of said town for about 4 years, and is now Supervisor of said town and is acquainted with the Records of said town. That no Record of Deaths, Births or Marriages was kept in said town Records, until within 2 or 3 years last past; That the town Records of said town was burned up some sixteen or seventeen years ago. This deponent is acquainted with John Victory his wife of said town and they are credible witnesses - That John Manning is an uncle of this deponent, former and justice of the peace resident of Duanesburgh. This deponent knew him; he has visited this deponent, and he informed this deponent he resided in Canada - This deponent has not heard from him in nine or ten years, & cannot say whether he is living.
Sworn subscribed to before me the 18 th October
1849 And I certify that I am personally acquainted with the above deponent Abraham Conklin, that he is a respectable citizen, and a credible witness
Thomas Palmer Commissioner of Deeds

State of New York City and County of Schenectady ss
On this 18 th day of October in the year 1849 appeared before me the undersigned a Commissioner of Deeds in & for said County. David Moon of Duaneburgh in said County, to me personally known who being by me duly sworn according to law deposes & says that he is the son in law of Elizabeth Reed. Widow of the late Thomas Reed deceased, and also former widow of Jacob Wilber of said town deceased. That eleven years ago and upwards the said Elizabeth delivered to me the family bible of the said Jacob Wilber deceased, that there is no Record of deaths or Marriages kept in said Bible, that said Bible is much worn, mutilated, and appears to be an ancient one, the leaves in front & rear torn or worn out & defaced — And this deponent further says that in the Month of August 1848, this deponent was informing said Elizabeth, what some soldiers recently returned from the Mexican war, had undergone. And the said Elizabeth then for the first time informed this deponent that her husband Jacob Wilber had also suffered much in the Revolutionary war, that he had his leg broken in the service. This deponent asked her if she had ever applied for a pension, the said Elizabeth replied that she had not. That she supposed she was not entitled to any, because her said husband had received some bounty lands, which she supposed was payment in full for his services, that she had never been told, that there was any law giving her a pension. This deponent some time after, went to Schenectady & enquired of Thomas Palmer of the widows of Revolutionary Soldiers were entitled to a pension. This deponent by request of his said Mother-in-law the said Elizabeth, made enquiries, among

the old acquaintances often said Jacob & Elizabeth to obtain information to substantiate her claims, and this deponent having been informed that the said Jacob Milbers name was on Record in the office of the Secretary of State, and that of his brother Schooled now deceased, as soldiers in the Revolutionary Army, and being informed by John Vickery of Quanesburgh said Jeremiah Harris & Lane his wife formerly of Quanesburgh, but now of Clifton Park of which said Jeremiah is an uncle of this deponent, that said Jacob was an enlisted soldier in Colonel Dubois Regiment, which corresponds with the said Record, the said Elizabeth thereupon made her application for her pension.
And this deponent further says, that he has called on two nephews of John Manning formerly a justice of the peace of said town of Quanesburgh, who informed this deponent that the said Manning had removed to Canada many years ago, and that they did not know whether he was living that they had not heard from him in some years. This deponent has worked for John Vickery his wife for twenty years, and they are credible witnesses of respectable standing in society. That the said Jeremiah Harris & Lane his wife are highly respectable people, sustain fair characters, and are credible witnesses. And that about sixteen or seventeen years ago the town Records of said town of Quanesburgh was destroyed by fire.
Sworn & subscribed to the
Daniel Moon
18th day of October 1849
And I certify that the deponent is a respectable citizen and a man of truth & veracity, and a credible witness.
Thomas Palmer Commissioner of Deeds

State of New York Schenectady County ss:
On the 17 th day of October in the Year 1849 appeared before the undersigned Justice of the Peace in and for said County of Schenectady. John Victory of the town of Quanes- burgh in the County of Schenectady. who being duly sworn according to law, says that he is the same person who on the 12 th of June last made a deposition sworn before Samuel W Jones. County Judge & Surrogate of Sche- nectady County. on the application of Elizabeth Reed widow of Thomas Reed deceased. and former widow of Jacob Wilber deceased. a soldier in the Revolutionary Army of the United States, in Colonel Lewis Dubois Regiment of New York Troops: And this deponent in addition to his said former deposition. now also declares and says. That he is positive that the same Jacob Wilber he saw doing duty in Colonel Lewis Dubois' Regiment at West point as stated in his deposition aforesaid is the identical Jacob Wilber. who was the husband of Eliza- beth, the daughter of Ebenezer Harris. who removed to Quanesburgh. aforesaid. That the said Ebenezer Harris previous to his death made his last Will & Testament and appointed this deponent therein his Executor That the said Ebenezer Harris was opposed to the marriage of his daughter to the said Jacob Wilber and on that account willed her only about ten Dollars although he died possessed of a considerable estate on which this deponent as Executor administered Jeremiah Harris was a son of the said Ebenezer Harris who also lived in Quanesburgh but he and his wife have now reside in Saratoga County.
And this deponent further says that the said marriage took place in a private house in a quiet peaceable way. without any parade. and as he was in-

formed & believes without many spectators or witnesses - and that all who were reputed to be spectators are now dead or removed to parts unknown: That the Justice Manning who is reputed to have married them who informed this deponent he had married them; and whom the said Jacob and Elizabeth at the time informed this deponent, had married them afterwards removed to some place in Canada, unknown to this deponent, and has never returned to the knowledge or belief of this deponent -
And this deponent further says that he has heretofore executed town offices in the said town of Duanesburgh: That there was no record of births, deaths or marriages were kept by the town clerk of said town or by any other town officer; and that about Seventeen years ago the town records of the said town were consumed by fire in said town of Duanesburgh -
And this deponent further says; that Ichobed Wilber a brother of the said Jacob Wilber was also at West point serving in the same Regiment of Colonel Lewis Dubois. but this deponent never saw him in Duanesburgh. & cannot state what became of him but is informed & believes that he did not serve out his whole time. : That this deponent is well acquainted with Jeremiah Harris & Lane his wife of Saratoga County. That they formerly resided in Duanesburgh a neighbor to this deponent. that they are respectable people. and credi- = ble witnesses
Sworn & subscribed to the 17 th day of October 1849 before me and certify that the deponent is a credible witness - and a man of truth & veracity -
J. M. Victory
J. M. Doot Justice of the Peace in said County

State of New York Schenectady County ss: Elizabeth Reed of Quanesburgh in said County of Schenectady being duly sworn on this 17 th day of October 1849 according to Law before me the undersigned a Justice of the Peace in & for the said County of Schenectady. Deposes and says, that she made her declaration before Abner Smith a Justice of the Court of Sessions of said County on the 9 th day of June 1849 on her application for a Pension as the widow of Jacob Wilber a Soldier in the Revolutionary Army in Colonel Lucis Dubois' Regiment of the New York line: And this deponent further declares that until on or about the month July of August 1848 — this deponent was totally ignorant and uninformed that there was any law of the United States granting pensions to widows of Revolutionary Soldiers: that the first intimation that she had any rights as such widow was from her son-in-law David Moon.
And this deponent further says that no Record was kept of her said marriage in the Family Bible: That the Family Bible is in the possession of her son-in-law David Moon and has been in his possession for 14 years last past. That Justice Manning who married her to the said Jacob Wilber, removed to Canada and has never returned to her knowledge or belief — That the witnesses present at her marriage were few in number, are all dead or removed to parts unknown to her, and that no Record of her marriage was ever kept to her knowledge or belief.
Elizabeth her Reed mark Sworn Subscribed to the 17 th day of October 1849, and certify that the deponent is unable to write her name and was never taught to write — and she affixed her mark and also certify that the said Elizabeth Reed sustains a Reputable standing in said town of Quanesburgh that she is a credible witness, and entitled to full faith and credit — B. H. Root, Justice of the Peace in and for

State of New York County of Schenectady ss:
On this 17 th day of October in the year 1849 appeared before me the undersigned Justice of the Peace in and for said County Persis Victory of the town of Delancenburg in the County of Schenectady, who being duly sworn according to law, says that she is sixty-seven years and upwards, and that she was acquainted with Jacob Wilber and Elizabeth his wife, after their reported marriage, and knows that they lived together as man and wife a number of years, and also knows that they had children, and that he called her his wife and she called him her husband, and that the said Jacob Wilber and Elizabeth said they were married by Esq. Manning at a private house. And this deponent further says that the said Jacob Wilber was reported to have died at Otsego County, and that the said Elizabeth came back after the death of her husband and moved to Otsego as a widow, and that after that she married Thos. Reed who is also now deceased — and this deponent further says that she has known the said Widow Reed ever since and also knows that she is the identical person who lived with the said Jacob

Wilber as his lawfull his Wife - And this deponent further says that the said Esq Manning whom the said Jacob Wilber said married him and his wife Elizabeth, was reported some time after the said reported marriage to have moved to Canada sworn and subscribed to this 17 th day October 1849 before Presser Victory Jr, and I certify that the deponent is a Credible Witness
B. F. Wood Juster in said County
State of New York City of Schenectady Schenectady County Clerks office - 5
I Silas H. Marsh Clerk of said county of Schenectady do certify that Benjamin F. Wood, whose name is subscribed to the jurats of the affidavits of Presser Victory, John Victory & Elizabeth Reed above & annexed, was at the dates thereof a Justice of the Peace in & for said County, and duly authorized by law to take said affidavits, and who subscribed the same by the name of "B. F. Wood". And also that Thomas Palmer whose name is subscribed to the jurats of the affidavits of David Moon, Marvisa Strong & Abraham Coultas hereunto annexed was at the dates thereof a Commissioner of Seeds in & for said County duly authorized by law to take said affidavits. Also further that I am acquainted with the hand writing of the said Justice & Commissioner, and the names of "B. F. Wood" to the said jurats subscribed, and the name of Thomas Palmer subscribed to the said jurats are in the proper hand writing of the said Justice & Commissioner. In testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name & affixed my seal of office this 19 th day of October 1849
S. H. Marsh Clerk

No 13940
Elizabeth Reed Spence wid of Jacob Wilber NY.
act 7 May 1838.
Jacob Wilber Spence the 5th April 1837 the 3rd Friday in May 1838

State of New York
County of Schenectady } ss
On this 9 th day of June in the Year one thousand Eight hundred and forty, none appeared before me the undersigned Abner Smith, a Justice of the Court of Sessions for the said County of Schenectady and State of New York, Elizabeth Reed, aged 67  64  seventy six years who being duly sworn according to law, doth on her oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the acts of Congress of the 7 th of July 1838, of the 29 th of July 1845, and of the several acts of Congress granting pensions to widows of soldiers who served in the Revolutionary Army of the United States. That she is the widow of Jacob Wilber: That he enlisted as a private in the Continental Army of the United States in the County of Dutchess on the 2 nd day of April 1777 for the war and was mustered to January 1782 in the 5 th Regiment New York line in Captain John Johnson's Company, in the Regiment Commanded by Colonel Lewis Dubois, as she is informed and believes by the Records kept in the office of the Secretary of State of this State: She further declares that she was married to the said Jacob Wilber in the Month of December in the Year seventeen hundred and Ninety two, and as nigh as this declarant can recollect on or about the 25 th day of said Month By Esquire Manning a justice of the peace of Duanesburgh who shortly after removed to Canada, and has never been heard from since all the witnesses present are dead, and no record of the Marriage was kept; That her husband the said Jacob Wilber died in the Month of October in the Year 1806, and on or about the Fifteenth — day of said month of October
That she was not married to him previous to his leaving the service, but that the marriage took place previous to the first day of January 1794, and previous to the second day of January 1800 viz at the time above stated
That this deponent after the death of her said husband Jacob Wilber, remained his widow and unmarried until the 4 th 25 th of December the in the Year 1824, when she married Thomas Reed, and that the said Thomas Reed died in the Month of May in the Year 1837, and on or about the 12 th day of said Month, leaving this deponent him surviving: And that this deponent has remained a widow

and unmarried ever since the said last mentioned period, and is now a widow, and that she has never before made any application for a Pension. This Deponent has no knowledge or information that her said husband Jacob Wilber was ever on the Pension Roll, but was informed by him that he had got Bounty Lands, but cannot say whether from the State of New York or United States.
Elizabeth her Reed mark
Sworn and subscribed to the 9 th day of June, 1849 before me. And I certify
The word "six" on the 6 th line 1 st page is written on an erasure before sworn
that the Declarant is a credible Witness. I also certify that the said Declarant by reason of old age and infirmity is unable to write her name, and that at her request I wrote her name to the above declaration, and she affixed her cross thereto.
And I the said Abner Smith a Justice of the Court of Sessions holden for the County of Schenectady and State of New York which said Court is a Court of Record, having a Common Seal and having the power of fine and imprisonment. So certify that I am Credibly informed and believe that the above named Elizabeth Reed, by reason of old age and bodily infirmity is confined to her house, and is unable to attend the Court of which I am a Justice, and do not think from her present appearances that she will be able to attend the Court above named at its next session. I have therefor pursuant to law attended at her place of abode and administered to her the foregoing Oath: And I verily believe and am satisfied that her declaration contains a true statement of facts.
Before sworn to the word "May" erased on the 6 th line from the bottom of the page
Abner Smith Justice Court Sessions { Elizabeth her Reed mark
It is hereby certified that satisfactory proof has been exhibited before the County Judge of the County of Schenectady and State of New York, and as such Judge, Surrogate of said County, having Probate Jurisdiction; by the affidavits and evidence of the above declarant, as well as of John Victory, Silas Wilber and David Moon, of Duaneburgh - hereto annexed and taken before me who are persons entitled to credit and disinterested witnesses That Elizabeth Reed the above declarant is the widow of

Jacob Wilber deceased a private in Captain John Johnsons Compa= =ny in Colonel Lewis Dubois' Regiment, 5 th Regiment of Infant= =ry New York line of the Army of the Revolution: That said Eliza= =beth was married to the said Jacob Wilber, after his last term of service and in the Month of December 1792, and on or about the 25 th day of that month: That said Jacob Wilber died in the Month of October in the Year 1806, and on or about the 15 th day of said month, leaving the said Elizabeth him surviving; That she remained his widow and un= =married from that period until on the 25 th of December in the Year 1824, at which time she married Thomas Reed, and that the said Thomas Reed died in the Month of May in the Year 1837, and on or about the twelfth day of said month, leaving the said Elizabeth him surviving, and ever since that period the said Elizabeth has remained a widow and unmarried, and is now a widow and unmarried and is seventy six years old
In testimony whereof I have hereunto sub= =scribed my name and affixed my Seal of office the day & year first above written
J. W. Jones County Judge of Seneca County -

State of New York County of Schenectady ss
I Silas H Marsh Clerk of the said County of Schenectady, and Clerk of the Court of Sessions of said County: Do certify that Abner Smith whose name is subscribed to the jurat and certificate of the declaration and deposition of Elizabeth Reed within mentioned was at the date thereof and now is a Justice of the Court of Sessions of the said County of Schenectady as therein stated by him and that his name thereto subscribed is in the proper hand writing of the said Abner Smith: And I also certify that Samuel W Jones whose name is subscribed to the within official certificates, was at the date thereof and now is County Judge of said County, and as such, Surrogate of the said County, and having Probate Jurisdiction, and that the seal affixed to his said Certificate is the seal of the Surrogate of said County ; and that the signature to the said Certificate is in the proper hand writing of the said Samuel W Jones; and that his certificates to the jurats of the Affidavits of John Victory, Silas Wilber & David Moon are in his proper hand writing
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed my seal of office the 12 th day of June in the Year 1849
S. H. Marsh Clerk

1 st State of New York County of Schenectady } ss On this 12 th day of June in the Year 1849 appeared in the Surrogates Court of said County, held before Samuel M c Jones Esquire County Judge of said County of Schenectady and as such Judge acting as Surrogate of said County. Having probate Jurisdiction of John Victory of Quenesburgh in said County to me known who being first duly sworn according to law deposes and says that he is Eighty five Years old; That this Deponent was a soldier in the Revolution ary in the New York levies, and was for a while stationed at Westpoint in the Year 1780 where this Deponent became acquainted with Jacob Wilber, who was serving there in the Continental line, in Colonel Lewis Dubois Regiment, the Captain's name he does not recollect this Deponent recollects that there was a Captain Johnson there in said Continental line. This deponent saw the said Jacob Wilber doing duty there as a soldier: That this Deponent afterwards removed to Quenesburgh in the County of Schenectady and has resided there ever since: That this Deponent found the said Jacob Wilber residing there, short of a mile from the residence of this Deponent: That the said Jacob Wilber was then a single man: That Elizabeth Harris then resided in said Town of Quenesburgh - That this deponent knew her. That she resided not much over a mile from this Deponent. That at the time stated by the said Declarant the said Jacob Wilber informed this Deponent that he was going to be married to the said Elizabeth, and invited this Deponent to the wedding, but this Deponent was unable to attend; but it was reported & believed among his neighbors that they were then married, and a few days afterwards this Deponent called to see them, and they both declared to this Deponent that they were married by Esquire Manning a justice of the peace of said Town of Quenesburgh, which said justice afterwards removed to Canada, and has never returned: That this Deponent has frequently visited their house after the said Marriage, the said Jacob always called the said Elizabeth his wife, and she called him her husband, and they used

2 o Children who were called after the name of their Father. And the said Jacob Milber & Elizabeth his wife lived together as Husband & Wife till the said Jacob died which was in the year 1806 as nigh as he can recollect, leaving the said Elizabeth him surviving, who remained a widow until she married Thomas Reed, in the year 1824 in the fall of that year, and in the Month of December on the 25 th of that Month as nigh as she can recollect, and that they lived together as Husband & Wife till the said Thomas Reed died which was in the year 1837, and in the Month of May as nigh as he can recollect, and the leaving the said Elizabeth him surviving, and the said Elizabeth hath ever since remained a widow & unmarried.
And this deponent further says, that the said Esquire Manning the day after the said Jacob Milber invited this deponent to the wedding, informed this deponent that he had married them. And this deponent further says that he has no interest in this application — and that their marriage took place in December 1792 as the declarant states.
Sworn and subscribed to the 12 th of June 1849. & I certify that the deponent is a Credible Witness.
J. W. Jones, County Judge of Schenectady County
State of New York
County of Schenectady } On this 12 th day of June 1849 appeared in the Surrogates Court of said County of Schenectady held before Samuel W Jones Esquire County Judge of said County, and as such Judge Surrogate of said County having probate jurisdiction Silas Milber and David Moon of said Town of Grafton who being severally sworn according to law do depose & say. That first the said Silas Milber says that he is the son of the the above named Jacob Milber & Elizabeth his wife, and the said David Moon on his oath says that he married a daughter of the said Jacob Milber and

Elizabeth his wife, and these Deponents further say that 2 they have frequently been informed by the said Jacob Wilber 3 and Elizabeth his wife that they were married in the year 1792 and on the 25 th of December of that year. And these Deponents further say that the said Jacob Wilber died as nigh as these Deponents recollect in the year 1806 and about the 15 th of October of that year. That the said Elizabeth remained a widow till she married Thomas Reed, in the year 1824 and on or about the 25 th of December of that year. That the said Thomas Reed died in the year 1837, and on or about the 12 th day of May of that year, and that the said Elizabeth has remained a widow ever since and unmarried, and that they have no interest in this application
Before sworn to the Erasures on the 2 nd & 3 rd lines of the 3 rd page
David Wilson Silas Wilson
Were made the interlineation of "and they" over the 6 th line from bottom of 1 st page Sworn & subscribed to the 12 th day of June 1849. And I certify that the Deponents are Credible Witnesses
J. W. Jones, County Judge of Schuyler County

In the Matter of Elizabeth Reed - for deposition of Jeremiah Harris & Lane Harris —

State of New York Saratoga County Ss:
Jeremiah Harris and Lane — Harris his wife of the town of Clifton Park  Hart in the said County of Saratoga and State of New York on the twelfth day of October 1849. appeared before me the undersigned a Justice of the Court of Sessions and for the said County, who being by me duly sworn ac- cording to Law doth depose and say, and the said Jeremiah Harris says he is aged eighty two years upwards — That Elizabeth Reed now of Duanesburgh in the County of Schenectady is the sister of this deponent? That she is now the widow of Thomas Reed late of said town of Duanes- burgh deceased; that the said Elizabeth, some time in the year 1793. and about the month of December of the same year married Jacob Wilber then of Duanesburgh aforesaid. That this deponent was well acquainted with the said Jacob Wilber several years previous to the time of their said marriage. This deponent well recollects the time and circumstance of their marriage. the said Elias, for the father of this de- ponent & of the said Elizabeth was opposed to the said marriage, and in consequence thereof, he cut her short in his will, giving her but ten dollars. This deponent was not present at their marriage, that im- mediately thereafter he was informed that they were married, that soon thereafter, this deponent and his said wife Lane, interchanged visits with the said Jacob Wilber & the said Elizabeth, that they were reputed to be married, and lived together as husband and wife until the said Jacob Wilber died, both of them declared to this deponent that they were married, and were so called & reputed in their neighborhood to be husband & wife. That the said

# that the said Jacob Wilber in a conversation with him in regard to such service stated to this deponent that he intended to request for him a pension - but that an officer put him down for firemen or during the war.
Jacob Wilber died about 43 years ago leaving the said Elizabeth his widow surviving him. That the said Elizabeth continued his widow till the year 1824 when she married Thomas Reed who died in the year 1837, and the said Elizabeth has remained a widow ever since. That the said Jacob Wilber was reported & believed to have been a soldier in the Army of the United States that he so understood the same from the declarations of the said Jacob Wilber, who showed to this deponent his discharge from the Continental Army. That said Jacob Wilber, held Bounty land as a soldier in the New York line having been allotted to him by the State of New York, which he contracted to sell & did convey to the father-in-law of this deponent Joshua Palmer now deceased, at which land was situate in the town of Pompey now County of Onondaga. And this deponent distinctly recollects,
And this deponent Jeremiah Harris further says that he was informed & believes that the said Jacob and Elizabeth were married at a Private house and as he is informed believes by Rev John Manning then a Justice of the Peace of the Town of Durham of which said
And the said Jane Harris on her said oath says, that she is the wife of the said Jeremiah Harris, that she was acquainted with the said Jacob Wilber, and the said Elizabeth, both before and after their reported marriage, mentioned in the deposition of her said husband, that the said Jacob Wilber was a relative of this deponent being a cousin of this deponent - and lived a neighbor to deponent's father in Dutchess County before & at the time of the war - that this deponent is seventy eight - years and upwards of age - That said Jacob Wilber was reputed and believed to have been a soldier in
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the Revolutionary Army of the United States in the New York line. That he frequently informed this deponent that he had been such soldier and rehearsed to her the hardships & privations he experienced in said service. That he sold his Bounty land received from the State of New York to the father of this deponent, which lay in the town of Pompey in the now County of Onondaga as he was informed there . and that her said father sent a man out with a team to make improvements thereon. That her said father is now dead, and that the papers, books & other writings of her said father, have been lost or mislaid, that on diligent enquiry the same cannot be found. That the said Jacob & Elizabeth soon after the said time stated by her said husband of their marriage was they both informed this deponent that they were married and they continued to live together, having a fam- ily of five children, and lived together as hus- band & wife till said Jacob died, as stated by her said husband. She afterwards married Thomas Reed as stated by her said husband. And this deponent Jeremiah Harris and some Harris further deposes - that they lived some years within a quarter of a mile of the said Jacob & Elizabeth, both before & after their said marriage. That the said Thomas Reed died about the year 1837. That the said Elizabeth has remained a widow ever since. That they have since removed to their present residence in the County of Saratoga a county adjoining Schenectady County, where they have frequently had intercourse with the said Eliza- beth. We have been informed & believe she yet resides in Saratoga in the said County as she now is, and has continued to be a widow

ever since the said death of the said Tho- =mes Reed
And the said Jeremiah and Jane Harris Warn's further says that during the war and after, Jeremiah Harris this deponent's father family. and the said Jacob Wilber's father family resided in Otsego County, and they both remained lived neighbors there. and both with their families removed to said town of Hanesburgh. & lived neigh- bors. before and after the marriage of the said Jacob and Elizabeth. That they were informed & believe that said Jacob enlisted in Otsego County, and at the same time the said Jacob Enlisted his bro- ther Ichobed Wilber enlisted also. but that the said Ichobed left the service before the war en- =ded but are informed & believe that the said Jacob served the till he was honorably discharged in Colonel Lewis Dubois' Regiment in Captain John Johnson's Company
And these deponents further say that they have no pecuniary interest in the event of the application of the said Elizabeth Reed to obtain a pension.
Subscribed & sworn to before me this 9 th day of October A.D. 1849 W. T. Hymour
Jeremiah his Harris mark Jane her Harris mark
Justice of the Peace of said County of Saratoga & a justice of the Court of Sessions in and for said County of Saratoga.
State of New York Saratoga County ss. I, William T. Hymour a justice of the Peace in & for the County of Saratoga aforesaid. do certify, that I have known the above named Jeremiah

Harris by reputation for some fifteen years - that I have frequently during such period, seen the said Jeremiah Harris - that he is a man of fair character & good standing in community - that he is a man of considerable wealth, being the owner of a farm of One Hundred & Forty Acres upwards, on which he now resides - that the said Jeremiah Harris is quite infirm & unable to travel far as I should think though apparently in good health for so aged a person - that the said Lane Harris is very corpulent and somewhat troubled with rheumatism & could not conveniently go far from home - that the said Jeremiah & Lane signed the foregoing deposition by making their mark - the said Jeremiah in consequence of his loss of sight, and the said Lane in consequence of rheumatism and both are credible witnesses.
W. J. Seymour
Justice of the Peace
State of New York Saratoga County ss: I James H. Norton clerk of the said County of Saratoga, do certify that William J. Seymour whose name is subscribed to the jurat of the deposition of Jeremiah Harris and Lane Harris, preceding this certificate, and is also subscribed to the Certificate immediately following the said jurat, was at the date thereof and now is a Justice of the Peace & Justice of the Court of Sessions in & for the said County of Saratoga, and duly authorized by law to take depositions to be read in any Court of Record of this State; and further that I am acquainted with the handwriting of the said Justice, and truly believe that the signature of "W. J. Seymour" to the said jurat and Certificate is in the proper hand writing of the said Justice.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed my Seal of office the 13th day of October in the Year 1849
James H. Norton Clerk

Read
WIDOW, &c.
File No. 24739
Elizabeth Reed formerly Widow of Wilber* Jacob Miller Brinker War.
Act Feb 2 nd 1848
Index: Vol 2 , Page 156
[Arrangement of 1870.]
* W.W. G. May 18, 1908.

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New York N. Albany Elizabeth Reed widow of Jacob Miller who died on the 15 Octr 1806 of Schenectady the State of New York who was a Private in the Comp y commanded by Captain Johnson of the Reg t commanded by Col Dubois in the N.Y. line for 2 years.
Inscribed on the Roll of Albany at the rate of 80 Dollars 00 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1836.
Certificate of Pension issued the 20 th day of May 1837 and sent to W. Godwin Esq
Arrears to the 4th of Semi-annual allowance ending
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act July 7, 1838. }
Recorded on L. B. Wightman Clerk, Book Vol. 1, Page 527

8989 New York Albany Elizabeth Reed widow of Jacob Miller who was a Private in the Revolution
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 80 Dollars & 00 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1843.
Certificate of Pension issued the 20 th day of May 1831 and sent to S. Godwin Esq Present
[Acts of March 3, 1843, & June 17, 1844.]
Recorded in Book A. 84 Vol. 2, Page

Washington, December 15 th 1850.
Honorable J. C. Heath. Commissioner &c.
My Sir
Enclosed are duplicates of papers submitted to your Department, with an argument upon the case by Mr Palmer. May I request the favor of a reexamination of these papers, at your earliest convenience, as it appears to me quite conclusive from the documentary evidence, that now Mrs Russell Miss Wilkins is entitled to a pension. I also enclose the letter of Mr Palmer.
Respectfully Yours &c Hugh White

I believe this is a good case. The marriage in my opinion is clearly established in Dec 1792.
The service is undisputed and the identity I think is established -

No T3943 Elizabeth Reed N
Set to Thos Palmer, 18 Sept 1849, " " do do 24 Nov. " " same 26 th Feb. 1850 " " Hon A. H. Shumerhorn dear 4/50 Thos. Palmer 30 Oct 1850 do do Nov 22/50.
act 9 May 1838

In the matter V s of Elizabeth Reed former widow of Jacob Wilbur for a pension - act of 7 th July 1838 V s
Letter of G. F. Yates. March 5 th 1850.
addr'd the answer to Am Schumann M c . at National

New York March 5 th /50
W. J. L. Edwards Commissioner of Pensions.
Sir.
I have been applied to, to attend to the prosecution of the claim of Elizabeth Reed widow of Thomas Reed of my County, & former widow of Jacob Wilbur for whose revolutionary services she claims a pension under the act of 7 th July 1838 et seqq. That case was presented by my friend Thos. Palmer Esq. of Chenango Co. on the 10 th of June last.
The Deponents in the case Sam l Wilbur David Moon & John Victory I have known for a long series of years personally, and they are among our most substantial & respectable citizens. Mr. Victory has been a member of the Legislature of this State, & is esteemed as a man of uprightness and veracity. Some ten years ago or more I made out his papers in the matter of his application for a pension under the act of 7 th June 1832, and I thought I had forwarded it to your office. But it seems from your letter that I have not done so, I have several hundred applications which I never

thought proper to cumber your office with- out retained them until I should find the necessary proof to substantiate them. Mr Victory belonged to the New York State Troops or Levies & served with the regular army at Westpoint & elsewhere! The Comptroller's Records contain only partial payments - not enough to make out six months. & as I could make out the necessary length of service no other way I did not send you his papers at all - though Mr Victory has found fault with me for not filing them. If you require Mr Victory's papers I will send them to your office.
Jacob Wilbur's claim I never heard of before. The Wilbur family in Duane- burgh have a high standing in my County - and you may be assured that the claim is a just one, or so many witnesses & such witnesses as Mr Palmer writes me have testi- -fied, would not have sworn to his identity. I find an reference to the Military Register in the Secretary of State's Office Albany - (of which your office has a copy) that Wilbur enlisted Apr 2 2 nd 1777 in Johnson's Company 5 th N. Y. Reg t & was mustered to Jany 1782.
The Hon: Mr White, the Mr Crippen my District, has not been along resident

of that District & knows nothing of the old inhabitants of Schenectady County - I have therefore made the Hon: A. M. Schenck, M.C. who was born and bred in my County, the medium of com- munication in reference to this claim.
I am your mo: ob t
Sent-
G. F. Wells.

J L Edwards Esq Commissioner of Pensions Washington

In the Matter of Elizabeth Reed, for a pension (as widow of Jacob Wilber) widow of Thomas Reed & formerly widow of Jacob Wilber a Soldier of the Revolution 5 th Regt. 4 th line Col. Dubois. Capt. John Johnson }
In addition to the affidavits & documents theretofore sent you on the 25 th of March I enclosed to you afft. of Nathan Wilber & on the 31 st of July last I enclosed Deposition of Ruth Wilber & Samuel Wilber in addition to her declaration & the Depositions of John Victory, Samuel Wilber, David Moor, Persis Victory, Marvin Strong, Abm. Conkling, John Victory, Bradford Bailey, John Broderick Thomas Palmer, also Certificate of Comptroller proving that John Victory rec d pay as a Soldier &
I am aware that you are pressed for time, but I write by urgent request of the applicant, for your kind & early attention to this case
Yours respectfully
Thomas Palmer

W13943 Elizabeth Reed NY
Sister Thomas Palmer 18 th Sept 1849
" Same 26 th Nov 1849
act 7 July 1838

Elizabeth Reed, former widow of Jacob Wilbur decd. N. York
Act 7 July 1838.
adm d . 2 yrs per - $80. per Annum from 4 March '36 - except 2 yrs.
Payable to her.
sent to S. Godwin Present.

Copy Letter of Thomas Palmer to J. L. Edwards Comm. of Pensions dated 14 Nov. 1850. and remarks on his answer —

copy Sch. 4. Nov. 14. 1850
J. L. Edwards Esq.
Commr of Pensions
Yours of the 30 th Oct r Ult o has been recd in answer to mine of the 10 th of Oct r . In that letter I referred you not only to the deposition of Nathan Wilber enclosed to you on the 29 th of March last, but also to the Depositions of Ruth Wilber and Samuel Wilber enclosed to you in mine of the 31 st of July last - You seem to have noticed only the deposition of Nathan Wilber sent you on the 29 th March last, and altogether discarded his testimony, who was the half brother of Jacob Wilber the soldier. But I beg of you to examine the testimony of Ruth Wilber and Samuel Wilber her son: It will be seen that Ruth Wilber was the step mother of Jacob Wilber, and brought him up from a boy: He lived in her family when he enlisted, and after the war returned back to her family, and removed with her from Saratoga County to Clifton Park, Saratoga County, and from there he went to Schenectady, where he married Elizabeth Harris: I submit to you whether the members of the family are able to be discredited? Whether the mother is not the most likely to remember facts in relation to the children she has brought up, and particularly their services in the war, and marriages? Whether the Brothers and members of the same family are not the safest depositaries of such facts - If I have not misunderstood the purport of your letters, the applicant was only required to make out the 1 st service of Jacob Wilber
2 o His marriage with the applicant
3 o His death
If these facts are made out, the applicant's claims are as valid as the Quarters salary of an officer of Government. If then he comes a vested right; If otherwise, the Power of Government is nullified - Bear with me a moment while I refer you to some of the evidence furnished you. 1 st the declaration of the applicant, which is derived from information and belief, except the Marriage and death of her husband, with depositions of John Victory, Samuel Wilber and David Moon; they go to prove the identity of Jacob Wilber the soldier

who married Elizabeth Harris and his death - John Victory served in the Militia, under Col. Graham at West Point, and knew Jacob Wilber there, who was in Col. Lewis Dubois' Regiment - He knew Jacob and Elizabeth Harris before and after their marriage; was their neighbor when married; was invited to their wedding; saw the Justice the next day who informed him, he married them - visited them; but they both declared to him they were married; and so reputed to be while Jacob lived - It was objected, that if Victory was a Soldier, why was he not on the Pension Roll? This was answered by showing, that he had applied to Giles Fitzhugh, some years ago to draw his papers and afterwards to Thomas Palmer (see testimony of John Broderick and Thomas Palmer)
19th Oct. 1849) was forwarded the deposition of James Jeremiah Harris and Jane his wife, who had lived neighbors to Jacob Wilber and Elizabeth Harris in Dutchess County before the war, and knew them there, and were connections of Elizabeth. They all removed from Dutchess County; and they prove the identity, beyond all doubt reasonable doubt of the said Jacob the Soldier and Elizabeth; and their reputed marriage. (in 1792) also at the same time the deposition of Elizabeth Reed and David Moon; accounting why application had not been made sooner; also additional deposition of John Victory and Persis his wife to prove the identity of the parties and their reputed marriage, and the time thereof: Also Depositions of Marvin Strong, and Abner Conkling, the one late Supervisor and the latter town clerk of Duaneburgh, proving town Records destroyed; and that no record of marriages or deaths had been kept; and by David Moon, that the family Bible was mutilated and defaced; The testimony of other witnesses as to the marriage and death was now clearly admissible.
On 12th of December 1849 the following additional Depositions were forwarded re: John Victory: Bradford Bailey, John Broderick & Thomas Palmer with Certificate of Comptroller that John Victory recd pay as a Soldier in Col. Graham's Regt. and the times; and proving the Credibility

of John Victory
March 29 th 1850. enclosed Deposition of Nathan Wilber; the half Brother of Jacob
July 31 enclosed Depositions of Ruth Wilber and Samuel Wilber from all which the applicant believes the following facts are fully substantiated viz
1 st Jacob Wilber enlisted & served in the Continental Army in Capt. Johnsons Co. Col. Lewis Dubois' Regt. and served during the war: This the Records prove 2 nd That the Records of Marriages & Deaths in Duanesburgh; were not kept: and the family Bible mutilated by age 3 rd That they were married previous to 1794 viz in Dec r 1792 see testimony of John Victory. Persis his wife Jeremiah Harris and Lane his wife Ruth Wilber the mother of John and her sons Nathan Wilber and Samuel Wilber — It does seem that the deposition of Ruth Wilber with the other testimony is conclusive. Is it any- wise probable? That Witnesses living in different towns and Counties, all concerning the identity of Jacob Wilber who served in Col. Dubois' Regt. and who married Elizabeth Harris in 1792 could all be mistaken? Proof that the parties lived and cohabited together; and called each other Husband & Wife; and were so reputed in the neighborhood, is deemed sufficient to prove an actual marriage. If it were not so 3/4 th of the descendants of those who lived during the Revolutionary war; would be pronounced illegitimate; for Records of Marriages were seldom or ever kept, particularly in new and sparsely settled places like Duanesburgh Permit me to ask of you a review of the Testimony; in denying that of Ruth Wilber and her sons last sent. respectfully THOMAS PALMER (over)

The late Commissioner of Pensions in his reply to this, dated 22 nd Nov r last, takes objection that the Depositions of Ruth Wilber, Nathan and Samuel Wilber are inadmissible because they were taken before me a Commissioner of Deeds stating "That depositions taken before an Agent prosecuting a claim, though officially certified by him are not received at this office" although I was not aware of such a rule I now forward these Depositions taken before other officers, which will obviate the above objections - though I have no interest in the application, having never made any charge against the poor Widow. not for the purpose of not for the purpose of  not for the purpose of  not for the purpose of  not for the purpose of  not for the purpose of  not for the purpose of  not for the purpose of  not for the purpose of  not for the purpose of  not for the purpose of
Schenectady December 14 th 1880
THOMAS PALMER

Schenectady June 12 th 1849
St Edwards Esq Commissioner of Pensions
Dear Sir
I herewith send the application of Elizabeth Reed for a Pension, as widow of Jacob Wilber a Revolutionary soldier, a private in Capt. John Johnsons Company in Colo. Lewis Outlaws (5 th ) Regiment in the New York line, continental establishment, who enlisted 2 nd April 1777 for 5 years or during the war, and Mustered to January 1782, as appears by the Records in the office of the Secretary of State of this state. Her said husband died 15 th Oct r 1806, she remained his widow till 25 th December 1824 when she married Thomas Reed, who died 12 th May 1837 and she has remained a widow ever since.
It is not known for certain whether he ever applied for his Bounty land, or whether any arrearages of pay were due him. I am at a loss to state under what acts or acts she would properly come under, But the facts are before you, and I rely on your patience to examine and determine what her claims are from the government under those facts, and to what she is entitled -
I am respectfully Yours
THOMAS PALMER

Duanesburgh February 17 th 1851 Honorable Hough White
Dear Sir
Thomas Palmer of the City of Schenectady last fall at my request forwarded to you sundry papers in relation to the Claim of my Mother-in-law for a pension on ac- =count of the Revolutionary services of her former husband Jacob Wilber
The late Commissioner of Pensions at different times called for more proof of the Marriage and of the identity of the parties which has been abundantly supplied. I refer you to Mr. Palmer's letter to you
This Claim has been long pending and it seems to me that it is time a decision was had. Will you please call the attention of the new Commis- =sioner of Pensions to this subject. I feel confi- =dent he will be disposed to do justice to the Old Widow, and give the applicant a fair hear- =ing. Which I feel has not heretofore been given Will you please write me on the receipt of this with =er you rec d . Mr. Palmer's line together with the testi- =mony of Nathan, Samuel & Ruth Wilber and - whether you handed the same to the new Commis- =sioner of Pensions or not. I trust you will inter- =est yourself in this claim and Oblige Your Sup- =porter and Well Wishes
truly Yours
Daniel Moore
P.S. please inform the commissioner of Pensions that when he grants the Pension to send the Certificate to me.
Daniel Moore

We the undersigned neighbours and friends of the applicant, unite with Mr. Moore, in the request that you will interest yourself in the Claim and oblige you well wishers. We would further state that we are well acquainted with John Victory & Bradford Bailey Esqrs. Witnesses in the case, and believe them to be men of truth & veracity & that their testimony should be relied on
To Hon. Hugh White
Yours Truly
John S. Van Aernam Stephen G. De La Mater James O'Neil
Honorable James E. Heath Commissioner of Pensions, Sir
I send up this letter of Mr. Moore, for the purpose of enquiry. On the 18 th of December last, I forwarded to your office the papers of Mrs. Elizabeth Reed, widow of Sarah Wilbur, with a request that the answer be addressed to me, but I find no evidence on my minutes of a reply having been returned. May I solicit early attention to the claim.
Respectfully & Truly Yours Hugh White
Washington 21 Feb 1857,

Schenectady July 31 st 1858 J. Edwards Jr Bureau of Pensions
I enclose Depositions of Ruth Wilber and Samuel Wilber. in the case of Elizabeth Reed widow of Jacob Wilber. a Revolutionary Soldier in the 3 rd Regt of Infy. New York line capt n Johnsons Company, in col o . Lewis Dubois' Regt; In addition to the testimony heretofore enclosed to you; on the 26 th of May last I enclosed to you the Deposition of Nathan Wilber. half brother of Jacob Wilber. to which I beg leave to refer you
The Depositions now enclosed. I fondly hope will prove abundantly satisfactory. and I hope you will give a favorable decision. as soon as your business will permit. It appears to me the Identity of Jacob Wilber his marriage with Elizabeth Rapier afterwards Elizabeth Reed. is made out without any reasonable doubt -
Yours respectfully Thomas Palmer

Schenectady December 12th 1829 J. L. Edwards, Commissioner of Pensions
Dear Sir
I enclose additional evidence in the case of Elizabeth Reed for a Pension & Bounty Land - late the widow of Jacob Wilber a private in Colo. Dubois Regt. in the Revolutionary Army -
You have the Certificate of the Comptroller as to John Victory being a private in Colo. Grahams Regt. of Militia of New York troops and of his pay as such in 1780. - Affidavits of John Broderick & Thomas Palmer of his attempts to get his pension - Affidavit of John Victory re-asserting the reported marriage of Jacob Wilber with the applicant, and of his efforts to get a pension, also his knowledge of Wilber at West Point - Also the affidavit of Bradford Bailey confirming Victory's statements, as to the identity of Jacob Wilber & Elizabeth Reed another marriage etc.
I trust the additional evidences will prove satisfactory & conclusive. May I not ask for an early decision
Yours truly
Thomas Palmer

Schenectady October 19 th 1849
L. Edwards Esq.
Commissioner of Pensions
Sir
I enclose additional testimony in the case of Elizabeth Reed for a Pension on account of the Revolution and services of her late husband Jacob Wilber a soldier in Captain John Johnsons company of Inf ty in Col. Lewis Dubois' Regiment of the New York Line.
Marvin Strong and Abm Conkling , prove that no records of Deaths or Marriages were kept in Graftonburgh; That the town Records have also been burnt. John Manning the Justice who married them was Uncle to Abm Conkling , and removed to Canada.
Elizabeth Reed & David Moon , prove that no Records were kept in the family Bible: They also account why application was not made sooner. It must be borne in mind that she is illiterate, and when Wilber died the law was not passed. This will rebut the presumption on account of the delay in the application. John Victory again sworn, is positive as to the identity of Jacob Wilber who served in Col. Dubois' Reg t and who married the applicant. He & Persis his wife, prove that John Manning who married them has removed to Canada. Persis corroborates her husband's testimony.
Evergreen Jeremiah Isaac Harris & Lane his wife , knew Jacob Wilber and Elizabeth his wife , before and after their marriage: That Palmerton the father of Mrs Harris purchased his bounty lands: That Elizabeth Reed former wife of Jacob Wilber , was sister to Jeremiah Harris : and Jacob Wilber was cousin to his wife Lane : That Harris saw his discharge: They all lived neighbors before & after the marriage; and all removed from Dutchess County to Graftonburgh: Much more such like testimony can be adduced, but it would be only cumulative. I trust this will be deemed sufficient, in addition to that sent you in June last, and remove all doubts as to the identity of Jacob Wilber the soldier, and his marriage with the present applicant. Elizabeth Reed : According to the laws of this state, the testimony would be abundant to.

from the Marriage
I feel a greater confidence in this case, because I know all the male witnesses personally; and know them to be credible and unimpeachable.
May I ask of you the favor to give this case an early examination, and not put us down to the foot - the applicant is infirm and very needy.
I am respectfully Yours &c Thomas Palmer

In the Matter of Elizabeth Reed late Widow of Jacob Wilber of Colt Lewis Dubois, Reqs

Schenectady November 24 th 1850.
J. Edwards Esq. Comm r of Pensions
Sir
Yours of the 30 th Oct r Ult o has been rec d . in answer to mine of the 10 th of Oct r . In that letter I referred you not only to the deposition of Nathan Wilber enclosed to you on the 29 th of March last, but also to the depositions of Ruth Wilber and Samuel Wilber enclosed to you in mine of the 31 st of July last. You seem to have noticed only the deposition of Nathan Wilber, sent you on the 29 th of March last, and altogether discarded his testimony, who was the half brother of Jacob Wilber the deceased soldier. But I beg of you to examine the testimony of Ruth Wilber & Samuel Wilber her son before you  and . It will be seen that Ruth Wilber was the step mother of Jacob Wilber, and brought him up from a boy - He lived in her family when he enlisted, and after the war - returned back to her family, and removed with her from Dutchess County to Clinton Park Saratoga County, and from thence he went to Duaneburgh, where he married Elizabeth Harris. I submit to you whether the members of the family are all to be discredited? whether the mother is not the most likely to remember facts in relation to the children she has brought up, and particularly their services and in the war and marriages? whether the brothers of the and members of the same family are not the best depositories of the same facts?
If I have not misunderstood the purport of your letter. The applicant was only required to make out the services of Jacob Wilber. 2 his marriage with the applicant. & 3 rd his death. - If these facts are made out the applicant's
claim is as valid, as the Quarters Salary of an officer of government. It then becomes a vested right. If otherwise: the bounty of government destined for the widows of a soldier is nullified. Bear with me a moment, while I refer you to some of the evidence furnished you. 1 st The declaration of the applicant, which is derived from information she had except the marriages & death of her husbands, with the depositions of Samuel Wilber, John Victory and Sarah Moon. These go to prove the identity of Jacob Wilber, the soldier who married Elizabeth Harris, and his decease. - John Victory served in the

militia under Col. Graham at West Point, and knew Jacob Wilber there who was in Col. Lewis Dubois' Regt. He knew Jacob Wilber and Elizabeth before and after their marriage, was their neighbor when married; was invited to their wedding - saw the justice the next day, who informed him he married them. - visited them - they both declared to him they were married - and so reputed to be while Jacob lived - It was objected that if Victory was a soldier why was he not on the pension roll? This was answered by showing that he had applied to Giles F. Yates some years ago to draw his papers and afterwards to Thomas Palmer (see the testimony of John Frederick & Thomas Palmer)
19 th Oct r . Was forwarded the Depositions of Jeremiaiah Harris & Jane his wife, who had lived neighbors to Jacob Wilber & Elizabeth Harris in Dutchess County before the war & knew them, and were connections of Elizabeth. They all removed from Dutchess County - and they prove the identity beyond all reasonable doubt, of the said Jacob the soldier & Elizabeth, and their reputed marriage - also at the same time the Depositions of Elizabeth Reed & David Moon, accounting why application had not been made sooner - Also additional Deposition of John Victory & Persis Victory his wife, to prove the identity of the parties & their reputed marriage and the time thereof; Also Depositions of Marvin Strong and Abm Conkling, the one late Supervisor & the latter town Clerk of P'keepsie proving the Town Records destroyed, and that no record of marriages or deaths had been kept, and by David Moon that the Family Bible was mutila- ted & defaced - The testimony of other witnesses as to the marriage and death was now clearly admissible
On the 12 th of Dec r . 1849 The following additional Depositions were forwarded. John Victory, Bradford Bailey, John Frederick & Thomas Palmer, with Certificate of Comptroller that John Victory ne d play as a soldier in Col. Graham's Regt. and the times - and proving the credibility of John Victory
March 29 1850 enclosed deposition of Nathan Wilber the half brother of Jacob July 31 st enclosed the Depositions of Ruth Wilber & Samuel Wilber copies enclosed from all which the applicant

believes the following facts are fully substantiated viz  1 st . Jacob Wilber enlisted and served in the Continental Army in Capt. Johnson Company Col. Lewis Dubois Regt and served during the war, this the Records prove  2. The Records of Marriages & Deaths in Duaneburgh were not kept, and the family Bible mutilated by age.  3. That they were married previous to 1794 viz in December 1792 see the Testimony of John Victory Persis his wife, Jeremiah Harris & Lane his wife Nathan Wilber - Ruth Wilber, the mother-in-law and her son Samuel Wilber 
It does seem to me that the deposition of Ruth Wilber with the other testimony is conclusive thereby renders it anywhere probable that witnesses now living in different towns & counties, all concurring in the identity of Jacob Wilber who served in Col. Dubois Regt and who married Elizabeth Harris in 1792. could all be mistaken?
Proof that the parties lived & cohabited together, and called each other Husband & Wife, and were so reputed in the neighborhood is deemed sufficient to prove an actual marriage - If it were otherwise 3/4th of the descendants of those who lived during the Revolutionary War would be be pronounced illegitimate for as Records of marriages were seldom or ever kept, particularly in new & sparsely settled places like Duaneburgh -
Permit me to ask of you a review of the testimony, including that of Ruth Wilber & her son last sent
Respectfully
THOMAS PALMER

[Person-war, should give the name and ranks held by such person recite the names of the officers commanding the regiments and companies. With care, and in a legible hand.]
of service of any person, in the army of the U. S. during the the Infantry, Cavalry, or Artillery, &c.; in the regular army or discharge, as near as can be given. The names should be given
In pursuance of a law passed the 27th of April, 1784, entitled "An act for the settlement of the pay of the Levies and Militia, for their service in the late War, and for other purposes therein mentioned," the following certificates have been issued, bearing interest at five per cent per annum, viz :
  1780. Augt 31 John Victory. private No. of Cert'e issued, 12,772 £ 2 13 04   " Oct r 15 Lev Lev do do do do 12,820 4 00 00   do do do £ 6 13 04  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do  do do do 
State of New-York,
COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, Albany,
18
I hereby certify the above to be true extracts from Books No. 3 now remaining in this office, and that the service for which the certificates above named were issued, were performed under the following officers, viz :
  1st under Capt. Daniel Williams in Col. Morris Graham's Regiment.   2d " " Lev Lev " " Lev Lev "   3d " " " "   4th " " " "   5th " " " "   6th " " " "   7th " " " "   8th " " " "   9th " " " "   10th " " " "   11th " " " "   12th " " " "   13th " " " "   14th " " " "   15th " " " "   16th " " " " 
John Victory. two entries, as above, amounting to £6.13.04-
John Hancock Examining Clerk.
W. Hunt Comptroller.

State of New York: City and County of Schenectady ss;
John Broderick and Thomas Palmer of said City of Schenectady, being duly sworn according to law before me the undersigned in & for said County of Schenectady. So far as they depose and say; and first the said John Broderick says, that he has been acquainted with John Victory of Schenectady in said County for thirty years and upwards; That said Victory formerly represented this County in the Legislature of this State; That about about four or five years ago the said Victory informed this deponent, that he had some years before employed Yates F. Yates Esq. to obtain his pension as a soldier in the Revolutionary war, but that the said Yates had not been successful; This deponent then went with him to the office of Thomas Palmer of said City, and requested said Palmer to interest himself, in behalf of said Victory, which said Palmer engaged to do
And the said Thomas Palmer says that he well recollects that said Victory and Broderick called on him for the purposes aforesaid; and this deponent then made a memorandum of his services, as stated herein, and has preserved the same, in which memorandum it is stated, that he served in the Militia of this State in Colonel Graham's Regiment at West point in 1780, and in 1781 at the North West under Colonels Livingston & Wemple, making about 10 months service. But the said Victory not being able to find any witnesses living of his services, the matter has been hitherto suspended. This deponent ; This deponent on or about the 6 th Instant caused the Records of the Comptroller's office to be searched for the year 1780, and found the evidence of his service in that year under Colonel Graham; and of his pay: And the Comptroller gave the Certificate of the same hereto annexed
And both these deponents say that they

are well acquainted with the said John Victory and that he is a respectable citizen; a man of truth and veracity and a credible witness
Sworn to before me the 12 th day of December 1849 and I certify that the deponents are credible witnesses
Broderick Palmira
S. W. Jones, County Judge of Schenectady County -

Schenectady County ss: John Victory being by me duly sworn deposes and says, that he enlisted as a Soldier in the Revolutionary War under Col. Morris Graham and served under him some five months at West Point and at other places, and while at West Point he became acquainted with Jacob Wilber who was then serving in said War under Col. De Bois - This was in the year 1780 - and that next year 1781 he served under Col. Wemp and Capt. Vanderberg - His first service under Col. Graham was as a nine months man - Daniel Williams was Capt. in Col. Graham's Regiment whom he served under - Thinks he served about two months under Col. Wemp, and that he performed the said service for his Step-Father Ezra Boekland under both Cols, and that he also worked some 3 months in the year 1782 for our Genl in getting out timber for Barracks to be taken to Newburg and New Windsor for the said Army, and for my said Step-Father - And in consequence of my serving for an other person was the reason of my not sooner applying for a Pension, believing that in as much as I had served for

an other person that I could not get a pension for a long time, - But after being informed that that would make no difference, I did make an effort to procure a pension, some ten years ago, and employed Giles T. Dats to assist me, and also have since made effort to procure a pension - I called on John Woodworth of the City of Schenectady and he directed me to Thomas Palmer of said City, who made an effort for some time in the year 1845, but I failed in consequence of not being able to make the necessary proof, as the proper authorities are very particu- lar on that point, - I supposed I could make it out, and hoped I can yet - XXXX I particularly recollect of seeing the said Jacob Webber at Fort Point on account of his getting into a dispute with one of our men under Col Graham, and they were both put under Guard, for their dispute as they had clucked about it - And also recollects him on account of his being a large Stout man, and was put before the Canon as a draughtsman -

And this deponent further says that he will recollect the marriage of the said Jacob Wilber, or the report of it that it was in the year 1792 and knows it was cold weather at the time, and that there was snow on the ground at the time and believes it was about the 25 th of December in that year — I was invited to the wedding, but for some reason did not go, and Ezra Manning who said he married them asked me why I did not come — and this deponent further says he was well acquainted with Elizabeth Harris who was reported to be married to the said Jacob Wilber and has been ever since, or at least knows her when ever he sees her and knows that the Widow Reed as she is now called is the identical person who lived with the said Jacob Wilber as his wife
John Victory
Subscribed & sworn
before me this 10th day December 1849, and I also state that he is a creditable witness, and a man of very remarkable faculties for one of his age, and that he was long one of the best men in the town and county, having filled offices in both — been a member of Assembly B. J. Wood Justice of the Peace in said Co.

Schoharie County ss. I Bradford Babey being me duly sworn deposes and says that he is an inhabitant of the town of Duanesburgh, and has been for the last sixty two years - and further says that he was well acquainted with Jacob Wilber when he resided here and has often heard him tell about serving in the Revolutionary Army, about different times and circumstances, and also recollects of the said Wilber marrying Elizabeth Davis, or at any rate it was so reported in the neighbour- hood, that they were married on a certain day, by John Manning Esq. but does not distinctly recollect the day and year, but thinks it was about the year 1792 or 1793 and knows it was about weather at the time, believes it was near Christmas and is certain it was previous to 1794 . And this deponent further says that the said Jacob Wilber and Elizabeth were reported to be married as aforesaid, that they lived together as Man and Wife and that he lived in one mile of them, and was at their house frequently, that he called her his Wife and that she called him her Husband and that they had Children as Man and Wife - And this deponent further says that recollects of the said Wilber and Wife moving to Otsego County and of hearing of his death while he resided there

and also of the said Elizabeth Coming back to Salisbury as a Widow, and that she remained so a number of years, and that after that she married Tho s Reed and lived with him a number of years and until he died And this deponent further says that he knows that the said Elizabeth Reed is the identical person who lived with the said Jacob Wilber as his wife that he knew her well at that time and has seen her at different times ever since and is acquainted with her now
And this deponent further says that after the said reported marriage of Jacob Wilber and Elizabeth Harris by John Manning Esq. the said Manning moved to Canada or it was so reported, where he has resided ever since for aught he knows, as he has never heard of him but once since that time and then he was said to be down on a visit from that place And this deponent further says that he recollects that it was currently reported at the death of Elizabeth Ebenezer Harris that he cut her Elizabeth off in his will to five or ten dollars on account of her marrying the said Jacob Wilber he Elizabeth Ebenezer being opposed to said marriage
Subscribed & sworn before me this 20 th day of December 1849 D. H. Wood Justice of the Peace in said County
Bradford Bailey
D. H. Wood Justice of the Peace in said County

And I certify that the said Bradford Baly is a Creditable Witness, - that he is now one of the Justices of the Peace of said town of Duanesburgh and has been some ten years and is particularly known as the "Honest Justice" - and I would further state that the purity of his character is such that what he says or subscribes to, he knows or he would or  to certainly would not do it
S. H. Wood Justice of the Peace
State of New York Schenectady County Clerk's office ss: I Silas H. Marsh Clerk of the said County of Schenectady do hereby certify: That Benjamin F. Wood whose name is subscribed to the jurats of the depositions of John Victory and Bradford Baly above annexed, was at the times thereof a justice of the peace in & for the County of Schenectady & duly authorized to take said depositions: and that Samuel W. Jones whose name is subscribed to the jurat & certificate of the depositions of John Fredericks & Thomas Palmer hereto annexed was at the time thereof County Judge of Schenectady County and duly authorized to take said depositions, and that the names of B. F. Wood & S. W. Jones subscribed to said depositions are in the proper hands writing of the said Justice & County Judge; In testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name & affixed my seal of office the 12 th day of December 1829
S. H. Marsh Clerk