Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 17196, Andrew White, N.C.

SERVICE
Nb
White, Andrew
NUMBER
S 17196
CONTENTS
carded

Letter to Pensions and 3 rd audit 29 th June 1839.
Paid at the Treasury under the act of the 6 April 1838 from 4 th Sept 1836 to 4 th Sept 1838 age notified 19 July 1839.
No. 954 Alabama
Andrew White
of Laurens in the State of Alabama who was a Private in the Company commanded by Captain Guy , of the Regt commanded by Col. Locke in the Alabama line for Six mos.
Inscribed on the Roll of Alabama at the rate of 20 Dollars or Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 23 rd day of April . D. Hubbard 18 th Band sent to Laurens Co. Alabama Arr. 1 st of March 1833. 10.00 So. ending 4 th Sept. 1833  10.00 $20.00
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act June 7, 1832. }
Recorded by W. Palmer Clerk, Book E , Vol. 8 , Page 53 .

22508
Andrew White
Revolutionary Claim

The state of Alabama } on this first day of October September Lawrence County } 1832, personally appeared in open court before the Judge of the Circuit Court now sitting of Lawrence County aforesaid now sitting Andrew White of said County resident of the County of Lawrence & State of Alabama aforesaid aged seventy years who being first duly sworn re- cording to law doth on his oath make the following de- claration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Con- gress passed June the 7 th 1832 - That he entered the service of the the United States under the following named officers & served as herein stated - He was enrolled a volunteer in to service in 1780 under Captain James Guy of Warren County & State of North Carolina where he then resided. Guy was elected by the Company after they had turned out, & appointed ser- ved part of this found force with him - They were marched to the lower end of the State of North Carolina under he thinks a Major White, a Col Lock commanded the Regiment & Genl Davidson had chief command, he  serv'd served three months & was discharged by Lock & Davidson above named & as Col & Genl no battle was fought during the Campaign. This Genl Davidson was afterwards killed at Beatties Ford Catawba River - Afterwards he was drafted to go down Cape Fear River in pursuit of Col Fanning a British officer Com- manding "Forces". Thomas Lofton was the Col Genl Rutherford Ford Commanding the Americans, we pursued the Forces but could not bring them to action nor out of them during this Campaign without a Battle. The first campaign last Campaign happened 1781 and he has discharges for both with him here shown to the court He is about seventy years of age as well as he can ascertain, he has lived in the same place until the year 1818 when he moved to Lawrence County Alabama where he now lives Andrew M Lockey James Moore & can prove by William Lockey & others

Smith the two of his neighbours the correctness of his character for veracity & that they believe he was a soldier of the Revolution said Lackey has no record of his age. He was born in Rowan county state of North Carolina lived there until about 1817 & moved to where he now lives Lawrence County He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state from & subscribed the day & year aforesaid. Andrew White
We James Moore a clergyman residing in the county of Lawrence and state of Alabama, and Andrew M Lackey residing in said county & state hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with Andrew White who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be seventy years of age; that he is re- pected and believed in the neighbourhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the revolution and we concur in that opinion. James Moore Sworn to & subscribed the day & year aforesaid. Wm Lackey Andrew White
The state of Alabama } Personally appeared in open court Lawrence county S.S. } William Lackey who being duly sworn deposes and saith that he was well acquainted with Andrew White whose name is subscribed to the foregoing declaration, at the time of & during the revolutionary war, that he was a soldier was was a neighbour to him & knows he served from & subscribed in pen court
Wm Lackey

And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the war department, that the above mentioned applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further states. And the court further certifies that it appears to them that James Moore who has signed the preceding certificate, is a clergyman, resident in the County of Lawrence and State of Alabama, and Andrew M Sackey who has also signed the same, is a resident of said County & State, and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
John White judge of the 2 nd judicial circuit of the State of Alabama
I John Gallagher clerk of the Circuit Court of the County of Lawrence and State of Alabama, do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Andrew White for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this 11 th day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two, and of American Independence the fifty seventh year
John Gallagher.

No 22508 7952 Andrew White Lawrence County State of Alabama
Admitted for 6 Months from 1780
David Hubbard Agt. Moulton, Lawrence County Alabama.

WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. These points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: { ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of Andrew White Lawrence Co. Alabama
   Period when the service was rendered. Duration of the claimant's service. Rank of the claimant. Names and Rank of the Company officers under whom he served. Names and Rank of the General and Field officers. Battles in which the applicant was engaged. Country through which he marched. Place of abode when he entered the service, and age at the present period. Evidence by which the declaration is supported.   Years. Months. Days.     Enrolled 1780 3 Private Capt. James Guy. Major White Col. Lock Genl. Davidson Col. Thomas Lt. Col. Rutherford none stated To the corner end of North Carolina down Cape Fear river 70 years Rowan Co. N. Carolina Documentary Living Witness Traditionary   Draf 1781 3 "  
I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J. L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.

REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
 1. The Regular Troops.  2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.  3. Persons employed in the Naval service.  4. Indian Spies. 
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons, claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of } ss. County of }
On this day of personally appeared (a) before A. B. a resident (b) of in the county of and State, Territory or District of aged (c) years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d) , with and served in the (e) regiment of the line, under the following named officers:
[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. [This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I of the Court of do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this day of &c.
If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with , who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B.
who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, Clerk of the Court of do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this day of &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person

will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
 1. Where and in what year were you born?  2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?  3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?  4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?  5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.  6. { To a Soldier. } Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it? { To an Officer. } Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it? 
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons—one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditional evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:—For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____. For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months , is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
[k] The notes from [a] to [i] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[l] This traditional evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[m] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[n] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.

June 7, 1940
BA-J/MCS Andrew White, S.17196
Mrs. D. H. Spotswood Courtland Alabama
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your request for information relative to Andrew White, a Revolutionary War soldier who lived in Lawrence County, Alabama.
The data which follow were taken from papers on file in the pension claim, S.17196, based on the military service of Andrew White.
Andrew White was born in Rowan County, North Carolina. The date of his birth and the names of his parents are not shown.
While living in Rowan County, North Carolina, he enlisted in 1780 as private in Captain James Guy's company in Colonel Francis Lock's North Carolina regiment and was discharged November 20 or 26, 1780, having served three months. He enlisted in 1781 as private in Captain Thomas Morrison's company in Colonel Thomas Loftin's North Carolina regiment and was discharged December 8, 1781, having served three months.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 1, 1832, at which time he was living in Lawrence County, Alabama, and stated he was about seventy years of age. He moved to Lawrence County, Alabama, in 1817 or 1818 from Rowan County, North Carolina.
The papers in this claim contain no data relative to the soldier's family.
In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension of Andrew White, the name and address of the person to whom it was paid and possibly

the date of death of this soldier, it is suggested that you address The Comptroller General, Records Division, General Accounting Office, Washington, D.C., giving the following data:
Andrew White, Certificate #7954, issued April 23, 1833, rate $20 per annum, commenced March 4, 1831, Act of June 7, 1832, Alabama Agency.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator

Andrew White S.F. 17196. M.C.

This may certify that the bearer Andrew Whitt has well and truly performed his tour of duty in Brig. Genl. Davidson's Brigade and is hereby discharged. certified by me with 30 days to go home Nov. 20. 1862. Wm Davidson B Genl.

Andrew White S. 17196. n.c.

December 17 th 1701 This is to Certify That Andrew White has served as a private soldier under Captain Thomas Morrison a Tower of Duty according to the Law and is hereby Discharged by order of Col. Boston Certified by me Thomas Morrison Capt.

1924, Sept. 9 - Hist. to Mrs. S.H. Curlee Her let. in cl., S. 38216, Wm. Mitchell 1940 June 7. Hist. to Mrs. D.H. Spotswood m.d.
17.196 INVALID.
File No. 17.196
Andrew White
Rev. Rev. Mar
Act: June 7 '39
Index:—Vol. / , Page 405
[Arrangement of 1870.]

Andrew White Ala 7 th June 1832 $20
To What time last paid
Pension Office p st 4 Sep 1836 JH 29. June 1839.

Courtland, Alabama April 30, 1940
Veteran's Administration Washington, D.C. Dear Sir,
Will you send me the Revolutionary pension of Andrew White of Lawrence County, Alabama.
Thanking you,
I am,
Yours very truly,
Martha C. Spatswood
Mrs. D.H. Spotswood

TREASURY DEPARTMENT,
Second Comptroller's Office,
July 13 th , 1839.
Sir:
Under the act of the 6th of April, 1838, entitled "An act directing the transfer of money remaining unclaimed by certain Pensioners, and authorizing the payment of the same at the Treasury of the United States," Andrew White, _____ a Pensioner on the Roll of the Huntsville, Ala., Agency, at the rate of Twenty Dollars and _____ Cents per annum, under the law of the 7 th June 1832, has been paid at this Department, from the 4 th of Sept. 1836, to the 4 th Sept. 1838.
Respectfully, yours,
Alison N. Parrish Comptroller.
To the Commissioner of Pensions,
Present.

September 9, 1924.
Mrs. S. H. Curlee, Hotel Chase, Lindell Blvd., Saint Louis, MO.
Madam:
I have to advise you that from the papers in Revolutionary War pension claim, S.17196, it appears that Andrew White was born in Rowan County, North Carolina, and lived there during the Revolution.
He enlisted in 1780 as a private under Captain James Guy, Colonel Francis Lock's North Carolina Regiment, served 3 months and was discharged November 20 or 26, 1780. He enlisted in 1781, served 3 months as a private under Captain Thomas Morrison and Colonel Thomas Loftin in the North Carolina Troops and was discharged December 8, 1781.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 1, 1832, while a resident of Lawrence County, Alabama, aged about 70 years. There is no data on file as to his family.
Owing to the great pressure of current work, and the lack of a clerical force available for the purpose, only two reports are sent to each inquirer.
Respectfully,
Commissioner.