Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 10,878, Isaac Van Natter, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Van Natter, Isaac or Vanattor or Vannattor
R. 10,878
CONTENTS

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Hickin County ss: Hiram Norton of the Town of Fairfield in said County being duly sworn say, that he is acquainted with Isaac Varnattor of the Town of Salisbury in said County, now an applicant for a pension, and that said Isaac Varnattor sustains in the amongst his acquaintance an unblemished character for truth and veracity, and that his statements are entitled to credit. Sworn to in open Court Hiram Norton Oct. 12th 1832 Julius C. Nelson Clerk
Hickin County } Clerks Office }
I Julius C. Nelson clerk of said County do hereby certify that the preceding affidavit was duly taken before me, then being, as now, the clerk of said County, and being authorized to administer such oath, and any oath to be read or used in a court of Record.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of my Office this twenty first day of May in the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty three. Julius C. Nelson Clerk

14503. In the matter of the Application of Isaac Narrator for a pension under the Act of Congress passed June 7, 1832.

DECLARATION IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THE BENEFIT OF THE ACT OF CONGRESS, PASSED JUNE 7, 1832.
STATE OF NEW-YORK, } COUNTY OF HERKIMER, } ss.
On this Twelfth day of October 1832 , personally appeared in open court, before the Judges of _____ the court of Common Pleas of said County now sitting, Isaac Bannister a resident of Salisbury in the county of Herkimer and State of New-York, aged 75 years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth, on his oath, make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7, 1832.
That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers, and served as herein stated.
That he was drafted as a militia man in the month of April 1812  June 1812 and was marched from Staatsburg in the County of Dutchess and State of New-York his place of residence, to old Fort Constitution now West Point this applicant thinks under Colonel Livingston  or Col. Radcliff and in the Company of Captain Riker  or Captain Riker of Infantry  or Artillery  Elias Benschoten , where he served two months principally in erecting fortifications laying walls &c. That he was dismissed at the expiration of two months and returned home.
That in the month of December 1816 , he was again called into service as a drafted militia for six months man in the Company of Henry Humphrey in the Regiment of Colonel Graham and was marched first to the Chine  Chine  fortress or old spring where Colonel Graham resided. From thence they were marched to Pine bridge where they arrived on New Years day . From thence to North Castle where they lay some time and drew rations. From thence to the vicinity of Hingsbridge . That whilst there he was in the skirmish and assault upon Fort Linsley  on Friday  on Sunday following in which the Americans failed, that the enemy about two  on Sunday following  days after made a sally upon the American forces and were repulsed and driven back, that he was in service this time six  three months and was then dismissed.
That in the spring of 1817, but what precise month this applicant cannot state, he was again drafted and marched to West Point under Captain Peter Westfall , and was engaged for three months in digging or preparing a magazine to keep powder in, and to secure it from bomb shells. At the expiration of three months he was again dismissed and returned to Staatsburg his place of residence in Dutchess County . That he was again drafted and marched from

4 Staatsberg aforesaid to Albany, from there they were marched to Half Moon Point, and from there to Stillwater where this applicant was in service and remained during the battle of Stillwater and until about one week after the surrender of General Burgoyne, when the militia were all dismissed. That after they started on this tour a waggon and horses were pressed into service and this applicant was appointed by Captain Abraham Slip (who commanded the Company in which this Applicant was drafted) to drive said waggon whilst they were on the march. That he served in this tour two months and an half and more. That in the summer or fore part of the fall of 1778 he was again drafted and marched under Captain John Steenburgh from his residence to Fish Kill in Dutchess County and State of New York where they remained two months guarding the Hudson River and were then dismissed. His Lieutenant in this service was Jacob Shultz. His Colonel was Captain William Ruppert or Rappert as this applicant has but a state with certainty.
That in the month of August 1779 Stephanns Melick of Staatsberg aforesaid with whom this applicant was living at the time was drafted for six months and this applicant took his place as as a Substitute and was marched in the company of Captain Herbrans of Rhinebeck in Dutchess County in the Regiment of Colonel William or Rappert Madlegh of Rhinebeck aforesaid, to Scopus, in Ulster County, from thence to a place called then Mambockus towards the Pennsylvania line and in the County of Ulster and State of New York; from thence to Wowasing in the same County from thence down the Delaware River a long distance to an Indian settlement or Town on the west side of said River but the name of which this applicant cannot recollect, that it was a large settlement, the Indians in pursuit of whom they had marched had fled leaving their squaws and children there. They passed through a place called Minisink in the County of Orange and State of New York where the Indians had a few weeks before committed depredations burning a number of buildings and a fort. That it was to check these depredations of the Indians under Colonel Brandt or Brandt as he was called that they were marched down to the Indian Town aforesaid that they were on this expedition going and returning more than five of the six months for which they were drafted drafted.

This applicant has no documentary evidence and that he knows of no person, whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his service.
1. That he was born at Staatsberg in the County of Dutchess and State of New York in the month of February 1757, as he calculates by his age —
2. That he has no record of his age.
3. That he resided in Staatsberg aforesaid when he was called into service, and continued to reside there during the war. That he then removed to the Nine partners in Dutchess County aforesaid, where he resided twenty five years. That he then removed to Johnstown in the County of Montgomery and State of New York and resided there eight years, from thence he removed to Salisbury in the County of Herkimer where he has ever since resided.
4. That he was called into service by being drafted, at each tour of service above specified, with the exception of the last service against the Indians as above stated, and in that tour of duty he went as a substitute for Stephens Frelick with whom he was then living. —
5. That he can not recollect what General  General Schuyler , commanded when they were marched down to Bringsbridge, and Fort Independence. but Col. Graham was at Ft. That Colonel Stephen , Van Rensselaer's Regiment and Colonel Livingston's Regiment were in the battle of Stillwater and General Schuyler was there, and that he recollects no other Officers or troops in the regular service that served with the Regiment to which he was attached. That he was at West point at two different tours of service and was whilst there engaged in erecting fortifications and bomb proofs. &c. That he was once marched to Fish Kill and stationed there to watch the movement of the enemy on the Hudson River, That he was marched to and present at the battle of Stillwater, That he was marched in another tour to Bringsbridge and Fort Independence which the Americans attempted to storm but did not succeed. And he was also marched for down the Schoharie River in pursuit of the Indians.
6. That he never received a written discharge excepting when dismissed after the surrender of General Burgoyne and that the written discharge he then received has since been lost and he cannot find it.

That he served as a private soldier in each tour,
7. That he refers the Court to David Potter Francis Van Mattor of Salisbury
persons residing in the present neighborhood who are well acquainted with this applicant and who can testify as to his character for truth and veracity and as to their belief of his having served in the Revolution.
And this applicant in fact says that he was in actual service in camp, in garrison or fort on the march or as a scout during the several tours above specified, eighteen months and on half. He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the Agency of any State.
Sworn and subscribed the 30th day of June A.D. 1841 Julius C. Nelson Clerk Isaac Mark Vasa Nutters
We David Potter residing in Salisbury and Francis Van Mattor residing in Salisbury hereby certify that we are acquainted with Isaac Van Mattor who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be 75 years of age that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn to and subscribed the 30th day of June A.D. 1841 Julius C. Nelson Clerk David Potter Francis Van Mattor
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states, and the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that Francis Van Mattor & David Potter who have signed the preceding certificate are both residents of the Town of Salisbury in said County

and are credible persons, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I Julius C. Nelson Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of the County of Warren do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Isaac Varnattor for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have here- unto set my hand and seal of office this Twelfth day of October A. D. 1832.
Julius C. Nelson Clerk

Vanattou

Know all men by these presents that I Sarah Vannatt- -or of Salisbury County of Herkimer and State of New York do hereby constitute and appoint George C. Ames of Washington D. C. my true and lawful Attorney for me and in my name to prosecute the claim of Isaac Vannattor deceased of N. Y. for an amount of pension due him at his decease and my said Attorney is hereby fully authorized to examine all papers in relation to said claim on file in the Department at Washington and to do all lawfull things in relation to said claim that I myself might or could do were I personally present
Witness my hand and Seal } Sarah her X Vanattor mark this twenty eighth day of } March 1852
In presence of Amos Munson justice peace D. H. Wetmore
the word name in the fifth line from the top was interlined before signing
Amos Munson justice
State of New York } Herkimer County } ss
On this twenty eighth day March 1852 Personally appeared before the under- -signed a Justice of the Peace in and for said County and State aforesaid Sarah Vannattor to me known who acknowledged the foregoing power of Attorney to be her act and deed for the purposes therein mentioned
Amos Munson
Justice of the Peace
State of New York } Herkimer County } ss
Be it known that on this twenty eighth day of March 1852 before the undersigned a Justice of the Peace in and for the county county and state aforesaid personally appeared Sarah Vanattor a resident of Salisbury in said County and state and made oath according to law that she is the widow of the late

Isaac Vannattor who was a Revolutionary soldier in service in the State of New York
That she is directly interested as a claimant in said pension and makes this affidavit to be filed with such additional evidence as my said Attorney above mentioned may use in the prosecution of said Claim
Sworn and subscribed before me the day and year last above written
Amos Munson Justice peace      Sarah her  X Vannattor mark

State of New York, HERKIMER COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, } ss.
I, Stanlish Barry , Clerk of the County of Herkimer, do certify that Amos Warren Esquire whose name is subscribed to the certificate of the proof or acknowledgment of the annexed instrument in writing and endorsed thereon, was at the time of taking such proof or acknowledgment, a Justice of the Peace in and for said county, dwelling in the said county, and duly authorized to take the same; and that I am well acquainted with his hand-writing, and verily believe his name subscribed to the said certificate to be his genuine signature, and that the same is executed and acknowledged according to the laws of this State.
In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the said county, at Herkimer this 12 day of April A. D. 185 2
Stanlish Barry
Clerk

Isaac Van Euren
NY
Oct 7 June 32
66 Dunes
Isaac Van Euren

State of New York County of Herkimer } ss
Be it known that before me a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid - aid duly authorized by law to administer oaths personally appeared William Van Statter a resident of the Town of Salisbury in the County and State aforesaid who being first duly sworn according to law States that he is one of the children of Isaac Van Statter of late of the Town of Salisbury in aforesaid County and State who was a revolution- ary soldier and that he believes the United States are still indebted under existing laws for the pension that was due under the applications hereto- fore made and that he is directly interested as a claimant in the pension for which application was heretofore made as aforesaid And constitutes and appoints George C Ames of Washington D.C. his true and lawful attorney with full power to examine into investigate and establish the claim for said pension and do all acts necessary thereto
In witness whereof William Van Statter has on this Twelfth day of July 1854 hereunto signed his name and affixed his Seal
Witness Francis Van Statter his mark William Van Statter
Signed, Sealed, acknowledged and sworn to before me on this Twelfth day of July 1854 }
Moses Rice Justice of the Peace

State of New York, HERKIMER COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, } ss.
I, E. T. CLELAND, Clerk of the County of Herkimer, do cer
Noses Rice
whose name is subscribed to the certificate and jurat of affidavit of the instrument, was at the date thereof, a Justice of the Peace in and for county, dwelling in said county, duly elected and sworn; and that I am acquainted with his handwriting, and verily believe the name subscribed said certificate and jurat of affidavit, to be his genuine signature.
In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of said county, at Herkin day of
July 1857 A. D. 1857 Wm H. Pany Deh C

10.11.503
Isaac Vanmatte Werkum 6' New York
long service N. York suspended
5-16
P 381
May 8 33
Aaron Hackley Julius & Mason bth Werkum N. York

BRIEF in the case of Isaac Van Matre of Herkmu 60 in the State of (Act 7th June, 1832.) New York
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Court  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?  3. How old is he? Seventy five  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days.     Draft In 1776 2 Private thinks Col Livingston or Radcliff   " Dec 1776 6 Capt Ripp   Drafted 1777 3 Capt Henry Humphrey Col Gray   " 1777 2 15 Major Capt Peter Burford   " 1778 2 partly the time Capt Absalom Ship   Substituted 1779 Aug 6 15 Capt Stenburg Col Radcliff   for Stephen Gen Shultz  
 5. In what battles was he engaged? Stillwater  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Batches 60 New York  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditional evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Traditional  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? Not correct 
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
Geo. B. Whiting Examining Clerk.

BUREAU OF PENSIONS
Finance Division
JUL 8 - 1921 19 _
Chief of Rev. War Section Sir:
I have this day received from Capt. F. M. Van Horn draft No. Cash for $ 1, 65 / 100 requesting post-office addresses as per letter herewith.
Copies mailed July 20 1921 L. S. D. M. H. Aut.
Very respectfully O. G. Pendleton Chief of Division.

Name Isaac Van Natter Date July 19 1921 N.Y. Troops No. 10878 1st Rev.
Photographic copies wanted of pieces, consisting of 5- pages.
Remarks: W.E. Wilson Exr. J.H. Wood Chief Record Div.
Serial No. _____ Serial no. of Sgt. Lawrence omitted by photo operator

Captain F. M. VAN NATTER (retired) (General Deliney)
MUNCIE Indiana, over
paid Mr Proctor July 8, 1921

5- from Isaac - 2 " John 4 " James

Cash $1.65 cur from Capt. F. M. Van Natter, General Delivery, Muncie, Ind., for copies of 11 pages from Rev. War claims of Isaac Van Natter R 10878 5 pages John " S 33853 2 " James " S 23044 4 "
Proctor Jan 7/8/21
No receipt desired.
FINANCE DIVISION JUL 8 1921 BUREAU OF PENSIONS

1921 July 20. Photos mailed to Capt F. M. Van Natten AW
REJECTED
10878.
P. O.
Isaac Van Natten }
Service: _____
Van Natten }
Enlisted: _____, 18 .
Discharged: _____, 18 .
Application filed: _____, 18 .
Alleges: _____
Re-enlisted: _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contract.
_____ Cert. of Dis. Searched for _____, 18 .

New York Revs:
President Clinton R. 1921
Isaac Van Mater Suspended
let. at Hackney 5 Aug 1833. to Hon. A. Dana
Jany: 21. 1845-
Geo. C. Ames July 17/52
10878
Act. 7 June '32

To L. L. Edwards Commissioner of Pensions

The Agent for Isaac Vannatter suggests to the Commissioner for Pensions, - that by refering to the 4 th Term of service stated, it will appear that the Declarant was drafted for three months at that time in the militia service - and that the circumstance of his being appointed, to drive an impressed waggon while on the march in this tour, does not convert his militia service into Leinster or waggoning service. He was in the ordinary militia service, and the fact of his being ordered temporarily and only on a part of the march to drive a waggon which it was necessary to impress, is mentioned only as an incident of his militia service. -

Jan 21. 1846
Rece Isaac Van Allen & City of upport care of William Marsden
L. B. True Pres. B Jan 20 '46

Case of Isaac Van Allen or Watson - a claim for a pension under Act of 32. Hon Mr Dana thought the proofs sufficient already & recommended an appeal to the Secretary; for want of time prior to adjournment of Congress - Claimant from N. York M. St. C. Clark } S. B. Pru
Mr Edwards letter on file in the Clerk's office in which he asks for the papers in this case. They were sent in August 1845

House of Reps. Jany 15 th 1845
Hon J L Edwards Dear Sir
Betsy Gould of Onondago Co. N. Y. applied sometime since for a Pension under the act of 1836. The objection made to allowing it was the insufficiency of the proof of service after the marriage as I understand from the papers. The papers I believe are sufficient under the act of 1838 and I therefore change the application and make it under the latter act. I hope you will take an early opportunity to examine the papers which are on file and decide upon them in reference to this new application.
Isaac Van Meter applied under the act of 1832. All the proof required by the act is made, and the Court which rec d it certify their conviction of his being entitled. The Officer who made up the brief in the case (as appears by the papers) considered the case as made out. But this was afterwards changed and 2 objections made. One was that he acted as a waggon master, part of the time and such service was not within the act. By a careful after perusal of the papers it will appear that he was in the service as a soldier and while performing that duty he was on one occasion

directed for a little time to take charge of a waggon and did so. This certainly cannot affect his right to a pension. He was acting as a soldier and if his officer set him at other service which he deemed of more importance, his right to pay for his service cannot be affected. The other objection was that he ought to furnish proof beyond his own oath of the performance of the service. But neither the Statute and the instructions either require it. He furnishes all that the law requires. If his story is not believed that is another matter - no such intimation is given. Besides this is for the court to judge of, which having him and his witnesses before them are better qualified to judge than any absent person can be. I must ask you to give this case a reconsideration and I hope it may be convenient to do so soon. With great Respect
Your Obedt Servt Amasa D. Dena

Isaac Bannister

B R I E F objections to the admission of Pension Claims , of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Isaac Vanmatte which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes
II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? yes
III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so?
IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? yes
V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? yes No
No such service as waggoning appears not allowed in calculating service in this declaration - service of applicant for a pension except with the 1st Regt. Pa. Cav. Art. - also a wagon assigned to him which Applicant drove.
VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? yes
VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? yes
VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? yes
IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? yes
X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? yes

XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? No 2 Witnesses
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? No
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had?
XIV. †If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service?
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses?
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct?
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?
XVI. ‡Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? yes No
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?
yes
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
* QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For _____ year _____ months, and _____ days, I served as a _____ For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."

It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
QUERE XIV.  Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
QUERE XVI.  Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

Washington April 14. 1832
James E Black Esq Sir
I transmit herewith Power of Attorney in the Case of Isaac Vanmatre or Van Matre, who was an Applicant for a Pension from the State of New York under the act of 7 June 1832.
Will you be so good as to cause me to be furnished with the Objections that now exist to the allowance of this Claim, or allow me the privilege of examining the papers now on file
Very Respectfully Yours obedt Servt Geo. L. Ames