Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 14841, Cornelius Winne, New York

SERVICE
NUMBER
New York
Winn, Cornelius
S. 14841
carded
CONTENTS

8139  New York
Cornelius Winne of Kingston in the State of New York who was a Private in the Company commanded by Captain Dewitt of the Regt. commanded by Col. Pawling , in the New York line for 9 months
Inscribed on the Roll of New York at the rate of 30 Dollars Conts per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1834.
Certificate of Pension issued the 13 day of March  1833 and sent to H. J. C. Broad- =head, Modena, N. York
  Arrears to the 4th of March 33.  $ 60    Semi-ant. allowance ending 4 Sep 33.  15    Death not on A. B.  $ 75  
{ Revolutionary Claim, { Act June 7, 1832. }  C. Stiles
Recorded by C. Stiles Clerk, Book 60 Vol. 4 Page 35
Susp d see letter 29 April 1835 to J. C. Summers & P. A. F. N. J. (p d to March 1835) - do. to J. C. Sum- mers Nov. 12. 1835 let. to Hon. N. Sickles 21. March 1836 do. to P. M. at Kingston, April 6. 1836 - (see letter with papers of John Row, dated 9 Mar. 1836) see letter to Hon. N. Sickles P. A. F. June 10. 1836

20.484 Cornelius Winne
adm d
Hon d . Brodhead

BRIEF in the case of Cornelius Wirine  of Kingston in the State of New York  (Act 7th June, 1832.)
 1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? open Court  2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?  3. How old is he? 70 years  4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
   Period. Duration of Service. Rank. Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.   Years, Months, Days. As a Gen.     In 1777 9 Private Capt. Genl. L. DeWitt Col. Pawling } N. York  
 5. In what battles was he engaged? none stated  6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Kingston N. York  7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Traditionary evidence, and one living witness  8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? they are duly authenticated 
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
Wm Gordon Examining Clerk.

State of New York Ulster County,
In the Matter of the Application of Cornelius Winne } for a Pension
June 11 th Dec 1832
J. N. Gaasbeek Jr.
Atty
20484,
dom d
9 mo per
30 $

Ulster Common Pleas.
Of December term one thousand Eight hundred and thirty two,
Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7. 1832.
State of New York Ulster County } ss:
On the Twelfth day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand Eight hundred and thirty two Personally appeared in Open Court, before the judges of the court- of Common Pleas in and for the County of Ulster, now sitting, pro- ceeding according to the course of the common Law, with a Jurisdiction unlimited in point of Amount, and keeping a Record of their proceedings, having a clerk and seal of their own Cornelius Winne a Resident of the town of Kingston in the County of Ulster aged Seventy years, who being first sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following Declaration , in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7. 1832
That he Entered the service of the United States, under the following named officers, and served as herein stated.
9 months And the said Cornelius Winne declares, that he volunteered as a private soldier in the United States Service in the Revolutionary war for " Nine " Months, in the year 1777, and served during the whole of the said Nine months in the Company commanded by Captain John DeWitt, Lieutenant Peter Post and Ensign Isaac Post all of the town of Saugerties in the County of Ulster deceased, in the Regiment commanded by Colonel Pauling, that he was stationed at Shandaken in the Picket Fort around the house of one Jacob Longyear That the said Service commenced in the beginning of the month of April and ended in the beginning of January following, that during the whole of said term of service he was engaged ranging the frontiers from one frontier post to another on the Northwestern bounds of Ulster County of Ulster, that he did not receive any written discharge from said Service, and has no documentary evidence thereof, that there were no Regular officers

with the troops in this Service. Nor any Continental or Militia Regiment, except the Militia Regiment of Col. onel Pawling in which he served, and that for proof of this Service he begs leave to refer to the affidavit of William Francis a living witness hereunto annexed
1. And the said Cornelius Winnie declares that he was born on the 15 th day of August in the year 1762 in the town of Kingston in the County of Ulster and State of New York. 2. That he has no Record of his age - 3 That at the time he was called into Service he lived in the Northern part of the town of Kingston no called Saugerties, that he has lived there since and now lives in the Village of Kingston in said County & State 4. That he volunteered into said Service. 5 That there were no Regular Officers with the troops where he served -

He Hereby renounces every claim whatever to a pension or Annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension Roll of the agency of any State. Sworn to, and Subscribed the day and year aforesaid A D 1816 First Judge A H Hardinburgh } Judges Abn. A Deyo }
his Cornelius J Winne mark
We John Gasmann a clergyman residing in the town of Kingston in Ulster County and Peter Van Gaasbeek residing in the town of Kingston in the said County Hereby certify that we are well acquainted with Cornelius Winne who has Subscribed and Sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be seventy — years of age that he is reputed and believed, in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a Soldier of the Revolution, that we concur in that Opinion. Sworn & Subscribed the day & year aforesaid A D 1816 First Judge A H Hardinburgh } Judges Abn. A Deyo }
John Gasmann P. V. Gaasbeek
And the Court hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named Applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier and served as he states.
And the Court further certifies that it appears to them, that John Gasmann who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman Resident in the town of Kingston in Ulster County, and that Peter Van Gaasbeek junior who has also signed the same is a resident in the town of Kingston in said County and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
A D 1816 First Judge A H Hardinburgh } Judges Abn. A Deyo }

Isaac Snyder clerk of the court of common pleas in and for the county, Do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of said court in the mat- ter of the application of Cornelius Winne for a pension.
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of Office this twelfth day of December, one thousand eight hundred and thirty two.
Isaac Snyder

State of New York Ulster County
3 B: Wilhelmus France of the town of Kingston in Ulster County aged 73 Years being duly sworn, depose & saith that he is well acquainted with Cornelius Winner of the same town a soldier of the Revolution and now an applicant for a pension ! that this deponent was in the United States, here in the Revolutionary war, and well knew the said Cornelius Winner, that the said Cornelius Winner belonged in the Company of Captain John Dibble in Colonel Paulings Regiment of Foot Artillery Guard Stationed on the Northwestern frontiers in the County of Ulster, that the said Cornelius served in said Corps as a private Soldier for nine months in the Year 1777 and continued to serve until discharged -
Subscribed Sworn this 9th day of November 1832 Before Me F. V. Gausbeck P. Justice of the peace
Wilhelmus France mark
Ulster County ss. I do hereby certify that I am personally acquainted with Wilhelmus France that he signed and swore to the foregoing affidavit before me, and that he is a credible person and that he is entitled to credit.
F. V. Gausbeck P. Justice of the peace

STATE OF NEW-YORK, Ulster County Clerk's Office,
{ ss.
I Jacob Snyder, Clerk of the County of Ulster, and Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Ulster County, do hereby Certify, That Peter Van Gaast Esquire, was on the day of the date of the Certificate to the annexed affidavit, a Justice of the Peace in and for the said County of Ulster, duly authorised to take affidavits, &c.; and further that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Justice, and verily believe the signature " P. V. Gaast " subscribed to the Certificate of the said annexed Affidavit to be genuine.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto subscribed my name, and affixed the Seal of the said Court and County, this 15 day of December 1832
Jacob Snyder

March 23, 1939
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BA-J/MCS Cornelius Winne, S.14841
Mrs. William H. Tompkins 61 Sherwood Avenue Rochester, New York
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your request for information relative to Cornelius Winne, a soldier of the Revolutionary War.
The data which follow were obtained from papers on file in the pension claim, S.14841, based on the military service of the only Cornelius Winne that is found in the Revolutionary War records of this office.
Cornelius Winne was born August 15, 1762, at Kingston, Ulster County, New York. The names of his parents are not shown.
While living in the northern part of Kingston, which was later Saugerties, he enlisted in April, 1777, and served until January, 1778, as private in Captain John L. DeWitt's company in Colonel Pawling's New York regiment.
He was allowed pension on his application executed December 12, 1832, at which time he was living in Kingston, New York.
Reference was made to Cornelius Winne's brother, Peter, who also served in the Revolutionary War. There are no further data relative to the family of Cornelius Winne.
In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension of Cornelius Winne, the name and address of the person to whom it was paid and possibly the date of soldier's death, it is suggested that you address the Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, Washington, D.C.,

giving the following data:
Cornelius Winne, Certificate 8139, issued March 13, 1833, rate $30 per annum, commenced March 4, 1831, Act of June 7, 1832, New York Agency.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant to the Administrator

Rev. War
14841 INVALID.
File No. 14 871
Cornelius Wilson
Rev. War
Act: June 7 th 82
Index: Vol. 1 , Page 412
[Arrangement of 1870.]
1914 May 5 Hist. to Mrs. Byron E. Smith V.L. etc. 1914 June 24 Mrs. Byron E. Smith how to apply to Auditor Letter in X.F. 22/90 Peter Short or Schart.
1939 Mar. 23 Hist. to Mrs. Wm. H. Toinkins m.c.s.

Cornelius Winn Rev Penniman New York admitted file
Papers
LPM
Edms

War Department
Pension Office
March 21 st 1836
Sir
It has been just intimated to me by an individual supposed to have some knowl- edge of the fact that Cornelius Winne who has been placed on the pension roll at the rate of $30.00 per annum that and whose case is referred to in your letter of the 8 th inst., that the pension was not at the period of his alleged enlistment, old enough to have been in the service - Upon that suggestion his pension was  thereby reviewed - It appears that his claim was inadvertently admitted - There is no evidence that Col. Dawling commanded a regiment of nine months men in 1777 or that John L. DeWitt commanded a company of

now in the nine months since at that time Without the clearest and most satisfactory ex- planation this claim cannot again be allowed
21 March 1835
G. L.
Accts $31 Page 300
Hon. V. Sickles House Reps N.Y.

P.O. Summer,
12. Nov. 1835
G.C.
Nuora & 27 Sept 1/73

War Dept. Pension Office Nov. 12 th 1835
Sir,
I have received your letter of the 7 th inst. The pension of Cornelius Winnie's pension was stopped in consequence of the communication to which you allude. Nevertheless if he can prove that he performed the service, as alleged by him, the suspension will be removed.
I shall be much obliged to you for the information which you promise to furnish.
If it will not be  not , too much trouble to inform C. Winnie as to the cause of the suspension, I will thank you to let him know upon what ground payment has been stopped, and upon what proof it may be resumed.
9
J. C. Summers, Esq. Kingston N. York.

at Kingston, N. Y. April 1 st G. C.
Accord 31 page 316

War Dept. Pension Office April 6. 1836
Sir,
Information has been received at this office that Nicholas De Myer, of Kingston, says that Cornelius Winnie, a revolutionary pensioner is not old enough to have served during the revolution, being only about 60 years of age.
Jonathan Hasbrouck, of Kingston, says that Winnie is a little above 60 years of age, and could not have served. Dr. Brink, a cousin of Winnie, says that Winnie is not so old as he represents himself to be, and that he never served during the revolution. Brink also says that he had another cousin named Cornelius Winnie, and probably he obtained a pension upon in the name of the other cousin.
If you will be so kind as to ascertain from each each of the above named persons the facts facts in the case, under oath, you will confer a favor on the Dept. and whatever expense may be incurred in taking depositions will be defrayed defrayed by the Dept. An early reply is necessary.
Cornelius Winnie says that John (or Hans) Brinkman was a tory. It would be advisable to obtain testimony from Winnie on this point before getting the other evidence. Kingston Ulster Co. N. York

Corlornie Ny.
May 31
Room
8139
Ch. 12 May
J. A. Edwards
Hon. A. Dickay H.R.
Washington
(86)

Hon J. L. Edwards
No. of Rep: 30 th May 1836
In, The Hon Lucas Elmendorf of Kingston Ulster Co N Y (the place of residence of Mr Cornelius Wrenn) has forwarded to me the Enclosed Letter with a request that I should cause it to be delivered to the Comm ee of Pensions.
I shall be pleased to know whether the facts contained in the letter of Mr Elmendorf will have the effect of restoring him to his pension. I think it proper to state, that Mr Elmendorf is one of the most respectable Citizens in the State of New York, has held many stations of official trust, and is now Surrogate of the County of Ulster and I state this in support of the entire credibility of his assertions on the subject of Wrenn's service.
Yrs &c Nicholas Sirkles

Wm. H. Harvey
10. June 1830
G. L.
Record No 36 Page 17-

War Dep. Pension Office June 10. 1871
Sir
In reply to your letter enclosing the Statement of the Hon. Lucas Elmendorf, I have to inform you that the suspension of Cornelius Winnes' pension has been removed; and he will be paid as formerly, on the production of the proper vouchers. Mr. Elmendorf's Statement will remain on our file.
I am Sir
Mr. Nicholas Sickles Home of Rep.

Nov 10. Cov. Winnie Jothro my roll
Mr. Van Seaver In Row To Peter Winnie Cov. Winnie.
Edward Dyer Penn: of Sweden Washington B.C.

Kingston Nov. 7 th 1855
Sir,
I am informed that payment of Cornelius Winne's pension is discontinued. Whether it is in consequence of an intimation given by me in a former letter I am not advised. I said, I had heard that this Winne is too young to have served in the Rev. war. So I was told by an old acquaintance of his, an acquaintance who might be mistaken. Winne says he has not been informed of the reason of his pension being stopped. If it is as I have surmised, he may be able to furnish conclusive evidence of his age. His own account of his services is plausible and always the same. He says he was 71 on the 15 th Aug t last.
I have thought it possible his case might have been confounded with that of Peter Winne who is a brother of Corn! Corn! says that Peter was gone for three years during the war and did not return (from Niagara) till after the war. Peter said he had been taken prisoner by the Indian Forces, but Corn! says he knows nothing about the truth of this story.
Last summer I made a tour through a part of the County and called personally on several pensioners and other old men, some of whom were willing to make affidavits of the facts I have heretofore stated, but their great distance from any officer authorized to administer oaths, prevented my pursuing enquiry further.
I procured one Affidavit concerning Van Leuven. All I did ascertain tends to confirm my former information as to Hans (or John) Now, Peter Winne and Christopher Van Leuven.
In course of next month I expect to be in Washington and will then give particulars which are rather too voluminous for a letter. On the 1 st Dec r next I shall have removed my residence to the City of New York — Most Resp y
P.S. I have just seen an aged inhabitant of Kingston who says he thinks Corn! Winne to be a little upwards of 60 and expresses doubt as to his services in the Rev. war. Nevertheless Winne may be able to rebut this, if required. J. L. Edwards Esq r
Sir, I remain Your Obed t Serv t J. C. Summers

Sir
I have been shown a Letter written by you to Nicholas Sickles our representative in Congress, respecting the Pension of Cornelius Winne having been stopped, who had before been allowed a of $30. per Annum: for a service by him in Capt. John L. Dewitt's Company, under Col. Albert Pawling, in 1777. I have known Cornelius Winne forty odd years, who has lived eight or nine years, in the same Family, so long ago, and then and ever since considered him to be of the same or about the same age with myself, to wit seventy five years, and that he has been in service on our Frontier, at Shandaken in Ulster County, I am fully satisfied of from the account he gives me a statement of facts which I well know from my own knowledge and observation at the time. That Col. Pawling commanded the nine months men on our Frontier and in the Stockade or Picketed Fort in Shandaken. I myself accompanied or accompanied Pawling, at a time of an alarm that Tories and Indians under the Command of Sir John Johnson were coming down upon our Frontier and down the Valley of the Esopus Creek where the Fort was, manned with nine months men under Col. Pawling. We were of a Party of about thirty mounted men, and we entered the fort at midnight and took two Prisoners Tories from Canada near the Fort. in the morning these men were put under examination as to what they knew of such a Body of the Enemy being on the way to our settlement, they refused or did not give satisfactory answers and were strung up in the fort and most severely whipped, to extort the information which it was expected they give, but none was obtained - but whether this was in 1777, or 1778, or even in 1779, not having any Data, from which I can at present state the year I am unable to state the time with accuracy, but those facts I know transpired in one of those years on our Frontier, I also know and was present in my Father's House who was at the time Lieut. Colonel of the Kingston Regiment, in which John L. Dewitt was a Captain who was detailed as a Captain to command Nine Months men on our Frontier, and my presence in my Father's House - From my examination of Cornelius Winne, he is perfectly familiar and knows to relate correctly the above facts and such other

Facts which transpired at the time in relation to the said service which I am satisfied he could not have stated so correctly if he had not been in said Service, when those facts above stated by me transpired, and that he may in making his statements of his Services have mistaken the true time when the service was performed. I suppose it was later than 1779. The Department must possess information of the exact time when Col. Pauling a Supernumerary Officer in New York State Service was in command on our Frontier, and I know it was not unusual for Boys of sufficient strength and size before being enrolled in the Militia to serve as substitutes in the place of Persons who were draughted. I myself was a volunteer in the particular service above stated before I was enrolled and regularly patrolled in the Night time with others both under and over the period of enrolment - the same time that Col. Pauling was in Command on our Frontier.
I presume the Individual whoever he may be may be less correct in such information as has been effectual to stop Winne's Pension & less conscientious than Winne has been, who if incorrect, is only so in stating the year in which he performed the Service for which he was enrolled as a Pensioner. From my personal acquaintance of Winne who lives in the same Village in which I reside I believe him to be as meritorious as most of the Pensioners and is perfectly temperate and honest. Beyond the period for obtaining a livelihood by labour, and would be much benefited by the annual pittance of which he has been deprived.
I deem it due to him to make this Statement in his behalf Hingston May 9. 27 th - 1836. I am Sir your Humble Servt
J. L. Edwards Esq. of the Pension department -
Lucas Elmendorf

National Society of New England Women
Dear Mr. Black -
On January 14, 1939, I asked you for data on Cornelius Winne (Revolutionary soldier) and Christian W. Winne (Civil War). On January 20 th you acknowledge my query and later very kindly sent the material on Christian W. Winne.

Will it be possible to send the material on the Revolutionary Coeline  Wimms soon? Certain papers have been waiting for nearly two years for that data.
Thanking you in advance,
I am, gratefully yours,
Elizabeth Pettit Tompkins.
(Mrs. William H.)
61 Sherwood Ave. -
Rochester New York.

607 State St. Petoskey, Mich.
April 30, 1914.
Commissioners of Pensions Office, Washington D. C.
Could you inform me whether Cornelius Winne of Ulster Co. New York. Militia 1st Regiment under Col. Johannis Snyder in the American Revolution received a pension? His wife was Elizabeth Martha Motte. It is mentioned that he had a land bounty. They resided in Schendalen township. My father was Cornelius Short, a son of Peter Short and Polly Winne. She was a daughter of Cornelius Winne and his wife Elizabeth Martha Motte.
Very Respectfully Yours, Mrs. Byron E. Smith

January 14, 1939.
Mr. A. D. Hiller - Veterans Administration -
My dear Mr. Hiller -
You were so kind as to give me help some time back and now I am asking assistance on two cases. The first is a Revolutionary ancestor, of which case I have the following from the Manuscript Section in Albany:-
"Cert. #46657 for £1 45 10d issued August 28, 1779, to Coms. (Cornelis) Winnen (Winne) for services as private in Sergt. Peter Eygner's Company of Col. Johannes Snyder's first regiment of Ulster County Militia. (Certificates of Treasurers vol 10, p 27)."
My own facts are meagre. He was bpt Oct. 4, 1760, born probably on a farm near Kingston, N.Y. - (Shokan or Shandaken or The Corner or ? - at any rate, prob. in Ulster County) "He enlisted at 16 yrs of age." He married Elizabeth Martin (some have it Mathe) and had eight or ten children. One report says he had a land grant - one, a pension. Whatever you can give me concerning him or his family will be most thankfully received. He was the son of Christian Winne 5 and Maria De Witt 4 Winne.
ORIGINAL FILED WITH Cert 46657 COPY FILED WITH SC 587-262 DATE 1-20-1939
SC 587.262
no C# 1/18/39
WL.

Second Case - Civil War.
Christian W. Winne (grandson of the former Cornelis Winne and son of Cornelius Winne Jr. and Eve or Eva Beah) b Feb. 5, 1838, on a farm in the same vicinity as his grandfather was. The following was given me by the War Department in 1935: -
"The records of this office show that Christian W. Winne aged 18 yrs., was enrolled Dec. 29, 1863, at Frank- enmuth enmuth, Michigan; mustered into the service Jan. 4, 1864, at Detroit, Michigan, as a private, Co. D., 22nd Regt Michigan Infantry. Transferred to Co. D. 29th Regt Michigan Infantry and was honorably discharged September 26, 1865, at Murfreesboro, Tenn., by reason of the muster out of the company; a private."
There is a discrepancy in the date of birth and the age given at enrollment, but the rest of the material is the same as I have in his little black note book which he carried. I know he rec'd a small pension. He died April 10, 1909, in the Veterans Hospital in Washington, having been transferred there from Danville, Ill., Old Soldiers Home.
Whatever you can give me concerning him I shall appreciate. We were abroad the two years just

previous to his passing and did not return until October 1909, hence my ignorance of facts. I just wonder if he could have taken — I can't see how — the place of another Christian W. Winne, and used his papers. That name as well as Cornelius is used in every branch of the Russ family. If there is any scrap of information which might lead to the solution of this phase of the case, I shall be glad for it. Not that it really matters, for the facts are the same and the note book is in his own writing and I have his tintype in soldier's garb. It is just curious. He always was proud of having been "just one of the boys" and told me much of those "fighting years". He became a Home Missionary, marrying (2nd) Sarah Isabella Gunn of New York City. His first wife was Fannie Shepard of Hammondport, who lived only a year or two.
Thanking you most cordially in advance for your assistance in these two cases,
I am - hurriedly -
Mrs. Wm H. Tompkins
61 Sherwood Ave. -
Rochester
New York.

J. L. H.
Rev. War. Section.
June 24, 1914.
Mrs. Byron M. Smith. 607 State Street. Petoskey, Michigan.
Madam:
In response to your letter dated the 18 th instant, to obtain the date of last payment of pension of Cornelius Winne Sur. File No. 14,841, Rev. War. you should apply to the Auditor for the Interior Department, U. S. Treasury Department, citing all the following data:
"Cornelius Winne. Certificate No. 8.139. issued March 13, 1833, at $30. per annum, commencing March 4, 1831. under Act of June 7, 1832. at the New York Agency."
Very respectfully,
J. M. Dilger Commissioner.

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS.
Washington, D. C., _____, 19____
In reply to your request of _____, received _____ for a statement of the military history of Sebastian Kanne a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pen- sion on file in this Bureau.
   DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. STATE.   CAPTAIN. COLONEL.     Apr. 1777 Jan'y 1778 Pvt. John L. Duvett Pauling N.Y.                                                   
Battles engaged in, _____
Residence of soldier at enlistment, _____
Date of application for pension, _____
Residence at date of application, _____
Age at date of application, _____
Remarks: _____
or children _____
For date of last payment + c. _____
The only soldier of this name _____
Respectfully,
Commissioner.
Brother Peter who served in the