Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 9,147, John Williams, N. C.

SERVICE
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Williams, John Lumpkin, Mary Former widow
W. 9.147 B.L.H. 1586-160-55
CONTENTS
This woman's last husband, John C. Lumpkin, was a Revolutionary War soldier

Ky July 48 - no 6168
1970
Act March 3/55
March 27/55
Mary Lumpkin, widow of John Williams
Pensioner on the services rendered by her first husband John Williams Colonel
Col. 7 th Regt. Cont. Service N.Y.
Rev. War
No. 160000, June 18 th 1855,
B. G. H. W.
Bryantown
Vol. 102. page 2.
1586 is June 18/55
Claimant Care of J. M. Smith Mt. Vernon Ky

E. Smith July 12, 1855 same " 26 " same Nov 25 1855 same May 6, 57 Am Green Adams March 13/60
This letter referred to other claims, so I did not draw it, must
6168 Kentucky Mary Lumpkin widow of John Williams who served in the Revolutionary war, as a Colonel
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 330 Dollars 00
Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1848.
Certificate of Pension issued the 28 th day of Sept 1853. and sent to
J. J. Coombe Present
Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act February 2, 1848, Page 242 , Vol. 3

9970
Mary Lempke
Petition
Bounty land

State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle 888
On this the 19 th day of March 1855 personally appeared before me J. B. Parsons a Justice of the Peace for the County and State above named Mary Lumpkin a resident of the County and State above named and a pensioner of the United States at the rate of $330 per annum granted her for the Revolutionary services of her first husband John Williams who was a Colonel in the Revolution, was from the State of North Carolina the pension was granted her the 18 th day of September 1853 under the act of Congress of July 1837 and the several Amending acts and new acts under act of Congress passed 2 nd February 1848, the amount of her Certificate (6168) She makes this declaration for the purpose of obtaining the bounty land to which she may be entitled under the act passed 3 rd day of March 1855 never having received bounty land nor neither did her first husband ever receive bounty land to her knowledge That she is now a widow never having married since the death of her first husband Lumpkin. She signs the Hon d Commissioner of Pensions to her declaration upon which she was pensioned for proof of marriage death and services of her first husband Col. John Williams and death of her last husband (Lumpkin). She hopes the above declaration will be The references will be sufficient proof for the Hon d Commissioner of Pensions to grant her the Bounty land she must respectfully ask the Hon d Commissioner to enclose to her address the Bounty land if granted to any further information required in the investigation of her claim.
To the Hon d J. M. Smith M c Kinnon Secy test C. Cussett & James Davis
Her Mary Lumpkin Mark

Sworn to Subscribed and acknowledged before me the day and year before written - and on the same day personally came before me
A. M. Hall J. S. Hance N. Hance W. residents of Rockcastle County in the State before mentioned to me known to be credible witnesses who being duly sworn declare that they are or were personally acquainted John Witham with Mary Lumpkin who has filed the foregoing declaration and knows her to be now a widow and receiving pension of this County they further know they are not interested
March 19 1855 Sworn to and Subscribed before me and I certify that I am not interested in said claim or concerned in its prosecution March 19 th 1855 March 19 1855 J. B. Parsons J. P. H. C.
State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle
I, Egbert S. Fish Clerk of the County Court of the County and State above named do hereby testify that J. B. Parsons who in name by nature appears to the above testimony is and was a Justice of the Peace for the County and State above named duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs when he signed his above genuine signature in testimony whereof I have hereunto set my name as Clerk of the County Court above named and affixed the seal of my office I further certify I am in no way interested in the foregoing claim nor its prosecution 19 th Mar- 1855 E. S. Fish, Clerk

State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle
I Mary Lumpkin of the County and State above named the former wife of John Miller deceased who was a col in the Protestant war as constituent and opponent of the bonds of Washington City I do my best to look in to and prosecute my claim for a pension before the officers at Washington City and to look into and examine the archives at Washington City for proof of service or other testimony which be my right to exhibit in prosecuting my claim for a pension as above stated and to collect and to send Council the certificates or other appearance of persons that may be granted me and maintain.
Seem to begin me
Mary Lumpkin mkr
Jesse Lear
I Jesse Lear a Justice of the peace for Rockcastle County Kentucky do hereby certify that Mary Lumpkin personally appeared and acknowledged the above powers of attorney to be her act and deed
Jesse Lear JP

State of Kentucky } County of Rockcastle } ss
I Milton J. Miller Clerk of the County Court of the County and State above named do hereby certify that Jesse Lear who has signed the foregoing Certical and acknowledgement is and was at the time of so signing it a Justice of the peace for the County and State above named duly qualified and sworn as the law directs in testimony whereof I here subscribe my name as Clerk of said Courts and seal the same and affix the seal of said office done at the Court house Rockcastle April 29 th 1853 M. J. Miller Clerk

February 28 th 1793. (February Twenty eighth Seventeen hundred & ninety three)
Then was join in matrimony the within parties by me
John Bailey
N.B. The above endorsed on a license for John Williams & Mary Rutherford
State of Kentucky
Lincoln County
I Champe Carter clerk of Lincoln County Court. do certify that the foregoing is a true transcript of the record in my office of the marriage between John Williams and Mary Rutherford. except the above words (February Twenty eighth Seventeen hundred & ninety three) which are in brackets.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed the seal of Lin- coln County Court at office in Stanford this 8 th day of April 1853. Champe Carter Clerk By Edward H. Carter D.C.

State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle } ss
I Jesse Lear, a Justice of the peace for the County and State above named do Certify that John S. Moore att at law and E Smith att at law and William Brady from Marshall and William M Smith, Bennett Hutto, Michael Martin and Pleasant Fish farmers and all the most respectable Citizens of this County personally appeared before me and made oath to the foregoing statements as to Mary Lumpkin applying for a pension on account of her husband John Williams deceased. This the 28 th day of April 1853 J Jesse Lear
State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle } ss
I Milton J. Miller Clerk of the County Court of the County and State above named do Certify that Jesse Lear whose name appears to the above certificate was at the time of so signing his name an acting Justice of the peace for the County and State above mentioned duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs and that the citizens who signed the foregoing certificates are the most prominent Citizens of this County and have resided here for the last 30 years I further Certify that the signature purporting to be his to the above certificate is genuine and that I have no interest in said pension nor acting as agent for same This the 28 day of April 1853
M J Miller Clerk

We the undersigned who have been Citizens of this County for the last thirty years do certify that we have long known Mary Lumpkins of this County the widow of John P. Lumpkins deceased that said Lumpkins raised a large family of children by his above stated wife and that that the said Mary Lumpkins is in a very destitute condition being very old and feeble that they are informed she is applying for a pension to support her in declining age and would say to the Honorable Commissioners of Pensions and the other officers of the department at Washington she is a lady who supports a good character for truth virtue and honesty and they would believe any declaration she would make to obtain a pension on account of her first husband's services in the Revolutionary war and from what they have heard from report they have no doubt of her first husband John William being a colonel and acting in that capacity in the war of the Revolution that they have heard the proof read in open court and think the pension should be allowed —
E. Smith J. P. Gray W. H. Smith J. H. Moore Robert Fisk Rennie Hill Melchal Smith Pleasant Fisk
Henry L. L. L. Charles J. ... a. Farmer of Rockcastle Co Ky. Atty Law Mt Vernon Ky Farmer of this County do do do do do do do do do

State of Kentucky } County of Rockcastle } ss
On this the first day of April 1853 before me Jesse Lean a Justice of the peace for the county and state above mentioned personally appeared James H. Hanes and his wife Susan both Residents of this county aged about 38 years who being first duly sworn as the law directs upon their oaths makes the following declaration in oral statement in order to prove the death of John P. Lumpkin and his statements before his death that he is the son in law of Mary and John P. Lumpkin that he married their daughter Susan they both state that their Father John P. Lumpkin died in this county on the 11 day of September 1847 that they was present and saw said Lumpkin die and buried and that his wife Mary still remains a widow up to the present time and lives with them in this county and is applying for a pension on account of her first husband's services as Col in the war of the Revolution John Williams from the state of North Carolina that said Lumpkin & wife Mary raised a large family of children and that the orphaned Mary Lumpkin formerly the wife of Colonel John Williams had one child by said John Williams as they always heard said Lumpkin and wife Mary say who died when he was some 12 or 15 years old and that they have often heard said Lumpkin and his wife Mary talk of Col John Williams her first husband who died in Madison county Kentucky being a fine officer and during his life as Col in the Revolutionary war from the state of North Carolina and they have no doubt of the truth of their statements
Sworn and subscribed to before me this 1 st April 1853
Jesse Lean J. P.
James H. Hanes mark Susan Hanes mark

State of Kentucky } County of Rockcastle }
I Jesse Lear a Justice of the peace for the County and State above mentioned do certify that James Hance and his wife Sarah personally appeared before me and made oath to the foregoing statements understanding their foregoing statements being first read to them by me and subscribed their marks to the same in my presence I further certify the said Hance & wife Susan are persons who sustain a good character both for truth and honesty and their oath should be respected I further certify I have no interest in said pension nor acting as agent for said pension given under my hand this 1 st day of April 1853
Jesse Lear J P
State of Kentucky } County of Rockcastle } ss
I Milton J Miller Clerk of the County Court of the County and State above named do certify that Jesse Lear whose name appears to the foregoing certificate is an acting Justice of the peace for the County and State above named duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs and I further certify he is and was at the time of signing his name an acting Justice of the peace as above stated and the signature purporting to be his is genuine and that I have no interest in said pension nor acting as agent for same in testimony whereof I hereunto subscribe my name as Clerk of said County Court and affix the seal of my office done at Mt Vernon April 28 th 1853 J Miller J P

Laurel County State of Kentucky } ss
On this the 15 th of November 1852 appeared personally before me John Castill a Justice of the Peace for the County and State above mentioned John Furbush a Revolutionary Pensioner of this County who being first duly sworn as the law directs declares on his oath that he was well acquainted with John Williams and his wife Mary whose maiden name was Rutherford since and before the Revolutionary war or that he often saw the above John Williams during the revolutionary war in the service of the United States acting as Colonel and he always understood said William said General in that capacity that he thinks it was some time in 1772 or 1773 the above Col. John Williams came to Kentucky and married one Mary Rutherford in Lincoln County Kentucky and remained there a short time and moved to near the big hill in Madison County Kentucky for upwards of two years and then the said Col. John Williams died that he was present and saw him buried that said Col. John Williams was from the State of North Carolina and he thinks belonged to the Regular troops from North Carolina and that said Mary afterwards married John P. Lumpkins who also died a few years since in Rockcastle County Kentucky and that said Mary has remained a widow ever since to the present time that said Mary had one child of the said Col. John Williams whose name was John and some 8 or 10 yrs John P. Lumpkins that he is informed the said Mary Lumpkins formerly Williams is applying for a pension on account of her first husband's services (Col. John Williams) which he knows is justly due her for the Revolutionary services of her first husband Col. John Williams from the State of North Carolina and that he has no interest in said pension.
John Furbush Justice of the Peace

State of Kentucky } County of Laurel } ss
On this the 15 th of November 1882 before me John C. Castel Esq. for the County above stated personally appeared Jacob Gable a Revolutionary Pensioner of this County who being first duly sworn as to the law and facts declares on his oath he was acquainted with Col John Williams who belonged to the North Carolina regular troops as he thinks and that he frequently saw said Williams acting as Col. during the Revolu- tionary war and was reported to of Brig Genl Greene that said Williams moved to Lincoln County Kentucky some 10 or 12 years after the close of the war and married one Mary Ruthofers who was from Stokes County North Carolina and shortly afterwards as he was informed moved to Madison County and died and his widow afterwards married one John P. Plum- spkins who died some few years since in Rockcastle County Kentucky and that said Mary has remained a widow ever since and is applying for a pension on account of her first husband's services as Col from the State of North Carolina that he knew said Mary ever since she was a small child She now lives in Rockcastle Co Ky Jacob Gable

State of Kentucky
County of Laurel
I John C. Hart a Justice of the peace for the County and State above mentioned do certify that Jacob Gable a Revolutionary pensioner of this County personally appeared before me and made oath to the foregoing statements understandingly and subscribed his mark to the same and I further certify said Jacob Gable is a man of truth and respectability and I have no doubt of the truth of his foregoing statement and that said Gable's mind is good though quite old and I have no interest in said person nor acting as agent for same
done this 15 th March 1857
John C. Hart
I, William H. Randall Clerk of the County Court of Laurel County Kentucky do certify that John Hart Esq whose name appears to the foregoing Certificate is an acting Justice of the Peace for this County duly Commissioned and Sworn as the law directs and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine and was an acting Justice of the Peace at the time of so signing his name in testimony whereof I hereunto set my name as Clerk of said County and affix the Seal of said office and that I have no interest in said person nor acting as agent for same done at London Laurel County Kentucky
On the 19 th day of April 1853
William H. Randall Clerk
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Seal

State of Kentucky } County of Laurel }
I, John Heartsick a Justice of the peace for the county and state above mentioned duly commissioned and sworn to administer oaths do certify that John Heartsick of this county  me a Revolutionary pensioner of this county personally appeared before me and made oath to foregoing Statement understanding and subscribed his mark to the same I further certify said Heartsick is a man of truth and respectability and I have no doubt of the truth of his foregoing stat ts ments that said Heartsick is quite old but his mind appears good this 15 th November 1852
John Cartee, J.P.
I, William A. Randle clerk of the County Court of the County of Laurel and State of Kentucky do certify that John Heartsick John Cartee whose name appears to the the above certificate is an acting Justice of the peace for the County and State last above named duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine and that he was an acting Justice of the peace at the time of so signing his name I further certify I have no interest in the pension spoken of nor acting as agent in said claims in testimony whereof I hereunto subscribe my name as clerk of the County Court above stated and affix the Seal of the County Court of Laurel County Kentucky Now at London Kentucky April 19 th 1853
William A. Randle clerk

Laud County State of Kentucky
On this the 15 th of November 1852 appeared personally before me John Castill a Justice of the Peace for the County and State above mentioned John Furbush a Revolutionary pensioner of this County who being first duly sworn as the law directs declares on his oath that he was well acquainted with John Williams and his wife Mary whose maiden name was Rutherford since and before the Revolutionary war - or that he often saw the above John Williams during the revolutionary war in the service of the United States acting as Colonel and he always understood said Williams in a General way in that Company that he thinks it was some time in 1772 or 1773 the above Col. John Williams came to Kentucky and married one Mary Rutherford in Lincoln County Kentucky and remained there a short time and moved to near the big hill in Madison County Kentucky for upwards of two years and then the said Col. John Williams died that he was present and saw him buried that said Col. John Williams was from the State of North Carolina and he thinks belonged to the Regular troops from North Carolina and that said Mary afterwards married John P. Lumpkins who also died a few years since in Rockcastle County Kentucky and that said Mary has remained a widow ever since to the present time that said Mary had one child of the said Col. John Williams whose name was John and some 8 or 10 yrs John P. Lumpkins that he is informed the said Mary Lumpkins formerly Williams is applying for a pension on account of her first husband's services (Col. John Williams) which he knows is justly due her for the Revolutionary services of her first husband Col. John Williams from the State of North Carolina and that he has no interest in said pension. John Furbush Justice of the Peace

State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle. § 85
On this the 1 st day of April  March 1853 personally appeared before me Jesse Lear an acting Justice of the peace in and for the County and State aforesaid Mary Lumpkins aged about eighty years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oaths make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the acts of Congress passed 7 th July 1838, 3 March 1843, 17 June 1844 and the 2 nd of February 1848 to wit that she was married to John Williams in the County of Lincoln and State of Kentucky on the 28 th day of February 1793 and that he served for a considerable time in the army of the Revolution as a Colonel - He went from the State of North Carolina She does not recollect whether he belonged to the North Carolina Militia or North Carolina Continental line but thinks he belonged to the North Carolina Continental line that her afore said Husband died the last day of February 1796 after which death she was married to John D Lumpkins about 10 Miles East of the Cumberland Gap in Tennessee on Christmas day in the year 1800 who died on the 11 th day of September 1847 in this County that she is now a widow never having never having married since the death of her last Husband John D Lumpkins that she is a poor widow and most respectfully asks the Honorable Commissioners of Pensions to grant her a pension under the above named acts of Congress for the services of her first Husband aforesaid John Williams deceased as a Colonel in the army of the Revolution

She most Respectfully asks that her aforesaid Claim may meet with a favorable and early consideration from the Honorable Commis- sioner of Pensions and other officers of the Department That the reason she waqnt applied sooner for a pension for her first Husband C.C. John Williams deceased was that her last Husband John D Lumpkins deceased Claimed to of been a soldier in the Militia of Virginia for some two years in the war of the Revolution and was hunting proof of his services up to his death and she continued the same for some 4 years when she was told she had a right to apply on account of her first Husbands services in the Revolutionary war which she thought her second marriage had debarred her from applying and that she has been hunting up proof ever since she was informed she had the right to apply on account of her first Husband Col John Williams deceased and commenced taking proof last fall that she has never drawn a pension on account of her first or last Husband deceased that she had one child by Col John Williams her first Husband deceased spoken of as aforesaid and some 8 raised by John D Lumpkins deceased her first child died at 15 years old which she had by Col John Williams deceased her first Husband deceased grand and
Sworn and subscribed to before me this 1 st day of April 1853
George L. Lear J.P.
Mary her Lumpkins mark

State of Kentucky } County of Rockcastle } ss
I Jesse Lear an acting Justice of the peace for the County and State above mentioned duly Commyssioned and Sworn as the law directs do certify that Mary Lumpkines personally appeared before me and made oath to the foregoing declaration for the purpose of obtaining a pension on account of the Revolutionary Services of her first husband John Williams who she says was an officer from the State of North Carolina and I further certify she is a Lady of Character both for truth virtue and honesty and that I have no interest in her claim for said pension and am not acting as agent for same in testimony I here unto set my name
This is the first day of April 1853
Jesse Lear, J.P.
State of Kentucky } County of Rockcastle } ss
I Milton J Miller Clerk of the County Court of the County and State above named do certify that Jesse Lear whose name appears to the foregoing Certificate is and was at the time of so signing his name an acting Justice of the peace for the County and State above named duly Commyssioned and Sworn and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine and that I have no interest in said pension nor acting as agent for same in testimony whereof I hereto set my name as Clerk of said County Court and affix the seal of said office done at Mount Vernon Rockcastle County Ky - June 1853
M c Miller Clerk

State of Kentucky } County of Rockcastle }
I Milton J. Miller Clerk of the County Court of the County and State above named do certify that the foregoing declaration of Mary Lumpkin for a pension and the deposition of James Kandy and wife Susan and the deposition of John Fawbush a Revolutionary pensioner of Laurel City Ky and David Hobbs a Revolutionary pensioner of Laurel County Kentucky and a certif- -icate of Edmund H. Bryan - W. M. Smith - John A. Moon - Pleasant Fish - - Michael Maults - Barnett Kittle as to the character &c of Mary Lumpkin and the marriage certificate from the Lincoln County Court of her marriage to John William deceased was exhibited in open court and examined by the Judge of said court he being satisfied of the truth of the contents of said declaration and deposition and other proof relative to the pension asked by Mary Lumpkin on account of her first husband's services as Col, in the Revolutionary war from the State of North Carolina and that said Judge of the County Court while in session on the 25 th day of April 1853  totally ordered the above stated papers which was read by him to be attached together and certified to the Honorable Commission of Pensions at Washing- -ton City I further certify I have no interest in said pension nor acting as agent for same in testimony whereof I hereunto subscribe my name as Clerk of said County and State and affix the seal of said office done at Mt Sterling Kentucky April 25 th 1853
Present
My Miller Clerk
J. H. County
Mary Lumpkin formerly wife of John Williams Ky. Act 1838.

State of Kentucky } County Laurel } ss
On this the 8 day of Sept  August 1853 before me John Castled a Justice of the peace for the County and State Above named personally appeared John Fawbush a Revolutionary pen- -sioner of this County who being first duly sworn as the law directs upon his oath makes the following Statement, that Some months since he gave his Statements relative to the Revolutionary Services of Colonel John Williams from the State of North Carolina and his Statements more fully is now required as near as his memory serves him Some time in the fall 1775 he becoming acquainted with the above named John Williams at his Brothers in Randolph County North Carolina who was paying his addresses to his Sister Ann who was living with his Brother That his Sister always told him She was engaged to said Williams but She died the same fall that the said Williams was an uncommon fine looking man that he often heard him spoken of by men who spoke as they was associates of said Williams Colonel Bail - Knott and others as being a fine Colonel and was a amongs the first in the field at the breaking out of the old war that in the fall of 1776 he saw said Williams in actual Service of the United States acting as Colonel in the County of Guilford N. Carolina and other times that he dont know what County Williams entered the Service but in the Spring 1795. was the first time he saw Williams after the old war said Williams was then living in Madison County Kentucky and both knew each other at sight and said Williams called him his brother in law and talked over the times he saw him Williams in the old war that (Fawbush) he has no Services granted him prior to 1778 - after which time he never saw said Williams in the Service he thinks

The said William served near three years as Colonel in the state of North Carolina from his own knowledge and what he heard from others and came from the County of Guilford and State of North Carolina and was in Ky. but a short time before he married his wife Mary. Whose name is now Lumpkins that he has known Mary Lumpkins ever since he first saw her in Madison County Ky. before her first husband's death Col. John Williams that the said Mary is justly entitled to a pension for the Revolutionary services of her first husband Col. John Williams deceased that he is not interested in said pension nor acting as agent August 5. 1853
Laurel County State of Kentucky
John L. Moberly mark
On this the 5 day of August 1853 before me John leasted a Justice of the peace for the County and State above named personally appeared Jacob Gable a Revolutionary pensioner of Laurel County Kentucky who being first duly sworn as the law directs on his oath makes the following statement that several months since he gave his deposition relative to Col. John Williams services in the old war from the State of North Carolina, that he always was informed by Col. Moore - Knott and Ervine who said they had been associated with Williams in the old war that said Williams entered the service of the Revolutionary war at the breaking out of the old war and served the United States faithfully for upwards of two years in the State of North Carolina that in the summer of 1776 he saw the said John Williams in actual service of the United States acting as Colonel in the State of North Carolina in the County of Stokes that he thinks in the year 1795 he met with Williams in Madison

County Kentucky where said Williams was living that they knew each other and talked of the incidents of the old war that he was once afterwards at the house of said William in Madison County Ky previous to said Williams death that he has known said Williams Widow ever since that she intermarried to one John P. Lumpkin who also died and she is now applying for a pension on account of her first husband's services John William deceased which he knows to be a just claim and the General Government ought to allow it that he said husband Col John William spoke of performed good services in the old war for the United States that he don't remember what county in North Carolina the said Williams entered the service but doubtless said William told him but he knows certain that Williams performed upward of two years services in the old war from his own knowledge and information from William apostates that he has no services allowed him previous to 1778 that he don't remember serving said Williams in the Revolutionary services after 1778 that this is about all he now remembers about the aforesaid services that he is not interested in the said pension nor acting as agent
August 5- 1853
Isaac his Gablest mark
State of Kentucky } County of Laurel } 53
I John Leasell a Justice of the peace for the County and State above named do certify that John Fairbank and Isaac Gablest both Citizens and Revolutionary pensioners of Laurel County and State above named, that their foregoing statements was read to them by me and they made oath to the same before me understanding

-I say and subscribe these marks to the same in my presence I further Certify that John Lawbick and Isaac Gablest are both respectable citizens of this county both for truth and honesty and I have no doubt of the truth of their foregoing statements. I further certify I am in no wise interested in said pension nor acting as agent for same in testimony I here unto set my name as Justice of the peace for the county and state above mentioned this 5 day of August 1853
John Lawbick J.P.
State of Kentucky } County of Laurel } ss
William H. Randall Clerk of the County
Court of the County and State above named do certify that John Hasted whose name appears to the above certificate is and was at the time of so appearing his name an acting Justice of the peace and one of the members of the County Court of the County and State above named duly Commissioned and sworn as the law directs and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine and that I am in no wise interested in said pension nor acting as agent in testimony whereof I here unto subscribe my name as Clerk of said County Court and affix the seal of the office of said County and State of which I am Clerk Done at London Laurel County Kentucky on the 10 th day of
August 1853
William H. Randall Clerk

MMJF Ac
June 23, 1926
Mrs. G. W. Rogers 201 Jensen Apartments Great Falls, Mont.
Madam:
I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim W. 9147 it appears that John Williams of Guilford County, North Carolina entered the service November 24, 1776 and served until January 1778 as Colonel of the Ninth North Carolina Regiment.
Soldier married February 28, 1793 in Lincoln County, Kentucky, Mary Rutherford of Stokes County, North Carolina. He died the last day of February 1796 in Madison County, Kentucky. His age is not given.
Soldier's widow Mary married December 25, 1800, about ten miles east of Cumberland Gap, Tennessee, John P. Lump- Lupkin, also a Revolutionary War soldier. He died September 11, 1847 in Rockcastle County, Kentucky. Said Mary was allowed pension on account of the services of Colonel John Williams, on her application executed April 1, 1853, at which time she was aged about eighty years and living in Rockcastle County,
I read the Rec. papers today, as the claim was allowed on that account of service. The large cross-pension of E. Smith evidently had no weight with the Bureau.

Kentucky with her son-in-law and daughter, James Handy and his wife Susan.
Colonel John Williams and his wife Mary had one child, John, who died at the age of fifteen years. Said Mary had eight or ten children by her second husband, John P. Lumpkin, no names given except that of the above named Susan.
Respectfully,
WINFIELD SCOTT Commissioner.
Col. had Cousin Capt. Edward Williams who mar. Elizabeth Hopper & he died, then she mar. Mathias Lambert - & she d. in 1851

C. Smith July 10. 1855 Mt Vernon - Kentucky
Mary Lumpkin for wid of Geo Williams - Ky at 27th 98 Requesting to be informed of the date of a Certificate given by him and others as to the character of John Forbes, as also in the application for a Pension of her widow. Lumpkin first wife of Col. Williams - and stating that he has written twice to Commr of Pensions without receiving an answer.
Cole
Respectfully referred to the Commr of Pensions 18 July 1855
Yrs. Chas. D. Smith
Act. Cl. of Pensions
18 July 1855

Return to Mrs. [unclear] [unclear] [unclear]
Sec Interior Washington City Mail

St. Vincent Ky July 10/55
Dear Mr. McElvane:
I see Col. Waldo is electra map, and I suppose has Relies or I would write him I have written him twice re: -greeting him to inform me the date of a certificate of marriage & others as to the char- -acter of John Farris and Gabbard in the application for a fusion of the widow Gumkin, first wife of Col. Williams. It is necessary for me to know it to refresh my recollections as to a certain count about which my deposition is to be taken in a civil suit in this case. Have Mr. no answer from Col. Waldo.
Yrs Respectfully E. Smith

No 99.70
ACT OF MARCH 3, 1855.
Received Mar 27, 18 55
Mary Lumpkin wid of John Williams Rev. Mar
Warrant No 1586-160-55
Plaintiff Care of J. M. Smith Mt Vernon

6703
Kentucky.
Mary Lumpkin, widow of John Williams, who served in the Revolutionary war, as a Colonel.
Jan 19.
1/1/60
This letter of June 11-1860 refers to Elizabeth Smith, widow of Henry, who is often referred to in other claims
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of $30 Dollars 00.
Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1848.
Certificate of Pension issued the 28th day of Sept. 1853 and sent to
J. J. Coombs, Present
Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act February 2, 1848, Page 242 Vol. 3.
Hon Gran Adams March 13/60

letter to E Smith. " " Same. " " Same, No " " " No " " Hon J. M. Elliot " " E Smith. Dec 5/58 " " " see 5/54 Hon L. W. Noble - Jr
not found in this case
let to E. Smith Aug 13/58.
not found

E. Smith
July 12/53

Pension Office
July 12, 1855
Sir
In answer to your letter of 3 d ultimo, I have to inform you that the certificate signed by yourself and others, in the case of Mary Lumpkin, of Ky., bears no date, but is written on the same leaf with the certificates of Jelse Sear, J. P. and Milton J. Miller, Clerk of the County Court, both of which bear date the 28 th of April, 1853.
E. Smith Esq, Mt Vernon Kentucky.

Mary Lumpkin, formerly widow of John Williams, of Ky, act July 7. 1838, &c.
Declaration Apr 1. 1853. Aged about 80 yrs Married John Williams in Lincoln Co Ky Feby 28. 1793.
John served from N. E. as Col. a considerable time. Is not certain whether militia or line, but thinks Cont l Line. John died last day of Feby 1796.
Claim t married Jno P. Lumpkins 10 m E of Cumberland Gap Tenn. Dec 25. 1800. Lumpkin died Sept 11. 1847.
Widow ever since.
Reason did not apply sooner. her 2 d husband was Rev sold r & she was hunting proof of his service, when she learned she was entitled for 1 st fund.
1 child by 1 st husband - died at 15 yrs of age 8 children by 2 d husband - raised -
Supplemental Decl n Aug 5. 1853.
Before J. P. Sear J. P.
Remembers she always understood John was one of 1 st to take up arms. & in service at a
Name before J. P. Sear J. P. of Rockcastle Co

very early day - He always told her he came from Guilford Co, adjoining hers. She came from Stokes. (right.) Never knew him til short time before marriage. He had a cousin, Edward Williams, who lived in Mason Co. Ky & married Elizabeth Hoppper, &c. Heard Elizabeth say she knew John in the old war. "He was a Col in Rev & said to be a fine officer. "Her husband Edw d said he performed good service "was among the 1 st in field. Heirs of Edw d "obtained pension for his services.
Has heard her husband speak of Col Moore & Knox as associated with him or seeing them in the service.
Parol
(See copy) Certif of E. Smith and 7 others of high respectability - to the good character and veracity of claimant.
James Hardy & } Daughter & son in law of claimant -
Susan his wife } John P. Lumpkin died Sept 11. 1847
{ Death of Lumpkin Widowhood
Reported after search G.P.C. Apr 1. 53 John Forbush -
Claimant still his widow
Was formerly wife of Col Jno Williams &c
Reportation of service - no child of John surviving
Rev Penson - Nov 15. 1852
Well acquainted with John Williams & wife Mary (formerly Rutherford) both since

Before John Basteel J. C. of Lincoln Co. Nov 15. 1852
and before Rev war. Saw John in Rev war serving as Col.  After saw him as such, and always understood he served years in that capacity John came to Ky (thinks in 1792 or 1793) and married Mary Rutherford in Lincoln Co. - remained there short time & moved to big hill in Madison Co. Ky, lived there upwards of 20 yrs & died - witness saw him buried. John was from N.C. & wit. thinks belonged to regular troops.
Mary afterwards married Jno. Lumpkins who also died a few years since in Rockcastle Co Ky.
Mary widow ever since - she had one child John by Col W. & some 8 or 10 by Lumpkin. Same Mary who is applying
Jacob Gobert - Rev Pens? - Nov 15. 1852.
Before Jno Basteel J.P. Nov 15. 1852.
was acquainted with Col J. W. of N.C. Regr troops as he thinks. "Frequently "saw 8 th Williams acting as Col during the Revy "war & was reported to of served sevrl yrs"
Col W moved to Ky some 10 or 12 yrs after war & married Mary Rutherford who was from Stokes Co N.C. & shortly after moved to Madison Co (as was informed) and died & his

widow married Jno P. Lumpkins who died some few yrs since in Rockcastle Co - Mary has remained widow ever since - and is applying for pension for Col W's services.
Knew Mary ever since she was a small child
Caspie Walker - June 8. 1853 - aged 90.
55 or 60 yrs since resided in Madison Co Ky & was well acquainted with Col Jno Wms & his wife Mary. Col W. was a distant connexion of hers . Saw him 2 or 3 times during Rev War acting as Col. & called such by his men & reported good officer & true to U. S. - Was married to Mary in Lincoln Co Ky she thinks near 60 yrs since. to Mary Rutherford she died a few yrs after he moved to Madison Co - Had 1 child which she understood died at 12 or 15 yrs old. Mary married Jno P. Lumpkins who has also died - Mary was living with 1 of her children last she heard of her in Rockcastle Co some few yrs since. Raised a large family of children by 2nd husband - understands she is applying for pension for services of 1st husband which she knows is justly due her.
Before S. S. Stephens J. P. of Montgomery Co Ky June 8. 1853
John Forbush - additional - Aug 5, 1853. Some time in 1775, at his brother's in Randolph Co Ky, became acquainted with John, who was paying his addresses to w's sister Ann , who lived

Before John Casteele J.P. Seward Co Ky Aug 5. 1853
with his brother - Ann said, she was engaged to him - but she died the same fall - Col W. was an uncommonly fine looking man - often heard him spoken of by his associates, Col Vail, Knox, &c, as being a fine Col & was among the 1 st in field at breaking out of the old war. In the fall of 1776 - saw him acting as Col in V.B. service, in (he thinks) Guilford Co N.C. and several other times - In spring of 1795 - was 1 st time he saw him after war - he was then living in Madison Co Ky, & both knew each other at sight - and s d Wms called him his brother-in-law, and talked over the times he saw Wms in the old war. That witness had no services granted him prior to 1778. after which time he never saw Wms in service, he thinks.
Wms served near 3 years according to witness own knowledge & what he heard from others.
Came from Guilford Co - & was in Ky but short time before he married Mary, whose name is now Sumpkins. Wmt has known Mary ever since she lived in Madison Co. - she is justly entitled to a pension.

Jacob Gable (additional) Aug 5. 1853
Understood from Cols Moore, Knox and Erwin, that Wm s entered service on the breaking out of war & served upwards of 2 yrs faithfully in N.C.
We saw him in service as Col in Stokes Co in summer of 1776.
In 1795 met  saw him in Madison Co Ky where Wm s was living - knew each other & talked over incidents. Once after was at Wm s house at before his death. Has known Mary ever since &c &c. her claim is just &c
Before John Castael J.P. Aug 5/53
Documentary &c
Certif of License and Marriage of Wm s & Mary Rutherford - Lincoln Co. Feby 28. 1793 .
Certif of Secy of State N.C. - Aug 31. 1853
John Williams - Col 9 th Regt - entered service
Nov 24. 1776 - & was omitted in Jan'y 1778.
N.C. Rolls in Pension office show the same.
Wheeler's Hist N.C. 1 Vol p 72. John Williams appointed Lt Col of Hillsboro Regt Minute men in 1775. Augt session - Dail, Knox, & Irwin, Cols

+ Lt Cols & Moore was Majr of minute men, appointed at same time - This was directly after the rupture between the Govr & Legislature, in Augt 1775.
Guildford County adjoins Orange, of which Hillsboro is Co seat - & Stokes adjoins Guildford.
Declarant & witnesses are sustained in their testimony that Col Jno Wm was among the first in service - that he was acting as Col in 1776 - that he was in service (tho perhaps not all the time active) as much as between 2 and 3 years. As to the date of his residence in Ky.
They trace him and the claimant, by a natural process, from the dist in which he was 1 st appointed & her from her childhood, up to his death, and claimant to the date of the last affidavits (Aug 5. '53) - and the certif of the Comptroller is later than any of their statements.
It does not appear that application for a pension for this service has ever before been made.
Four persons of the same name have applied from N.C. but they all claim to have been privates or non-commissioned.
x The characters of claimant & witnesses are well vouched
+ See copy of Certif of J. A. Moore. E. Smith vs Hon A. White

Mary Simpson Prio
John Basset John Basset Jr
Married Feby 28. 1793 - 1 st husband died Feb 1796 " to 2 d husband 1800 - 2 d husband died Sept 11. 1847 Service Col from Nov 24. 1776 to Jany 1778. = 13m 6da
5 | 13 mos 6 da 20 260 2.60
$ 262.60 per ann from Sept 11. 1847- from 4 th March 36

Mary Sampkin, formerly wid. of John Williams
Hy. Act 1838, &c
J. V. Coombs Presents

Washington, May 9 th 1853
Sir:
Enclosed please find the declarations of Mrs. Mary Humpkin, formerly widow of Col. John Williams, of the North Carolina Continental Line, claiming pension under the Act of 7 th July 1838, and continuing Acts.
I think you will find the evidence full and entirely satisfactory upon every point.
The service of John Williams as Colonel, for more than two years  from 24 th November 1776 to Jan'y 1778 you will find proved by the Rolls of the North Carolina Continental Line in your office, which have been shown me this day.
The marriage is proved by a duly certified copy of the County records, to have taken place in Feb'y. 1793.
The first husband of the claimant is identified as the person who served as a Col. in the North Carolina line,

by two living witnesses , who knew him in the service, both of whom are pensioners.
In fact, every material point in the case is proved by testimony of the very highest class.
The fact that the second husband of the Claimant lived till 1847, and that she did not ascertain until recently that his death gave her a right to pension for the service of her first husband, fully accounts for the fact that her claim was not earlier presented.
I have the honor to be, Very respectfully Your obed servt J. S. Coombs
Hon Loren P. Waldo, Comm d of Pensions,

P.S. I have every reason to believe that the papers in this case were all prepared in total ignorance of the fact that the services of Col. Williams could be proved by the North Carolina rolls. The claim was sent to me accompanied by a letter requesting me to search for evidence of service. I had no knowledge of the existence of such evidence when I filed the claim. J.H.C.

State of North Carolina.
Office of Secretary of State.
I William Hill, Secretary of State, in and for the State of North Carolina, do hereby certify, that it appears from the Musterrolls of the Continental line of this State in the revolutionary war, that John Williams, Colonel of the ninth regiment, entered the service on the 24 th day of November 1776, and was omitted in January 1778.
Given under my hand this 31 st day of August 1853.
W m Hill Secretary of State

On the first day of April 1853, Mary Sunnokin made a declaration before Jeph Sear a J. P. of Rockcastle Co. Ky, in which she represented herself as 80 years of age and stated she was married to John Williams in Lincoln Co. Ky. Feby 28. 1793. That John Williams served from N. Carolina as Col a considerable time in the militia or Line - not certain which, but thought in Line. He died the last day of Feby 1796.
She married John P. Sunnokin 10 miles east of Cumberland Gap, Tenn, Dec 25. 1800. Sunnokin died Sept 11, 1847. She had been a widow ever since.
The reason she did not make this application sooner was that her 2 d husband was a Rev soldier and she was searching proof of his service when she learned she was entitled for services of her first husband. She had before supposed that her second marriage debarred her of any claim through her first husband.
On the 5 th of August, 1853, she made a supplemental declaration, before the same Justice, in which she stated that she always understood that her first husband was among the first to take up arms in N. C. and was in service

very early in the Revy war - he always told her he came from Guilford Co. adjoining Stokes, from which Co. she came. Never knew him until a short time before her marriage to him. He had a cousin, Edward Williams, who lived in Mason Co. Ky. and married Elizabeth Hopsey. &c. Heard Elizabeth say she "knew John in the old war - he was a Colonel in the Revolution and was said to be a fine officer. Her husband, Edward, said he performed good service and was among the first in the field"; and that the heirs of Edward obtained a pension for his services."
Has heard her husband speak of Col Moore and Knox as associated with him, or seeing them in the service.
James Hardy and Susan, his wife, the daughter and son in law of Mrs Sunyokin, testify that Sunyokin died Sept 11. 1847, and that claimant is his widow - and was formerly widow of John Williams, Col. from N. C. Often heard Sunyokin twice speak of Col W. her 1st husband as having been a fine officer and serving several years in Revy war from N. C. - one child by Col W. and large family by Sunyokin &c.
Sworn before Japh Sear J. P. Rockcastle Co Apil 1. 1853.
John Forbush and Jacob Gobert - each made two affidavits, the first Nov 18. 1852, before John Casteel J. P. of Laurel Co. Ky. - the second before the same J. P. Aug 5. 1853. in

which they both state that they are Rev y pensioners. and saw Col Jno Williams in service during a portion of the war in N. C. - that he moved to Ky about 1792 or 3. and married Mary Rutherford - that they saw and knew him in Ky, and talked over the events of the war with him, and have known his widow ever since his death - that she after his death married John P. Lumpkin, &c. and Forbush states he knew her in Stokes Co from a child - Gobert, or Gabelt swears he heard Col's Moore, Knox and Erwin say that Col John Williams entered service upon the breaking out of the war and served upwards of two years, faithfully, in N. C. Forbush says Col W. counted his sister Ann before he left N. C. and was to have married her, but she died.
Cassie Walker- aged 90 yrs of Montgomery Co, Ky, testified June 8. 1853, before J. S. Stephens J. P. of same Co. - that some 55 or 60 years since she resided in Madison Co, Ky, and was well acquainted with Col John Williams, who was a distant connexion of hers - heard with his wife Mary. She saw him 2 or 3 times during Revy war, acting as Col. and so called by his men - He was reputed to be a good officer and true to the U. S. Swears generally to date of marriage with Col W. to 1st child & its death - to having heard of marriage to Lumpkin, and of his death and his widow living in Rockcastle Co, and applying for pension which affiant knows is justly due her.

Certificate of Champe Carter Clerk of Lincoln Co, by Edward H. Carter D.L., to transcript of record of marriage of John Williams and Mary Rutherford, by John Bailey Feby 28. 1793.
Certificate of official character and signature of Jesse Sear made by Milton J. Miller Clk of Rockcastle Co -
Of John Castee, J. P. by William H. Randall Clk of Laurel Co -
And of John S. Stephens, J. P. by Andrew J. Stephens, Clk of Montgomery Co, Ky: - all under seal.
See copies of the two certificates signed by E. Smith and others.

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Mr. J. Thompson So. Nat.
Rec'd of Simco Mr. R. Pitt

Reynolds Mr. Platt
Wm. J. Thompson
Sec. Nat.
Washington City Gov. Powell

not I think it is...
(Private) Mt Vernon Ky Sept 1/60
Eight or nine years since to pension was granted to the widow Lumpkin, first wife of Col: John P Williams for a large sum in a thru bad  unfair  adverse per year during life. If you will look in to his papers you will see that the claim could not have been granted but for the evidence of (Forbes)  Forbes and Gabbora, two old worthy men, whom I had known several years before they were known, but at the time I am informa scarcely had any money and Forbes in charge of the Com: with in condemning of it. She was a woman of straw straw made to fit the marriage record of Williams. She came to see me after the death of Lumpkin to try for her a pension for Lumpkin I asked her if she had ever been married before, she said not. Two years ago her oldest son, now 60 and told me she had never been married except to his father, and was quite astonished, since there was some mistletoe. Until I knew this I had a good opinion of the old lady and thought I

giving Certificate to that effect, is the reason why I have troubles the keep on the subject, and to comply with a promise I made Mr. McNamee at his request to report all suspicious claims. The lady  lady in question has been public in Maine, never strong and did not know what she was the to of her and the gentleman gentleman and the gentleman  gentleman and the gentleman  gentleman . She states that her  her  husband  husband William died in Madison County in Ky in 1796. Tobias and Gabbana (all written by the agent) Swan  at  at that time Mr. McNamee in Madison before 1796 then Mar- is view  view to Mr. Lumpkins. Sometimes after the pension was granted something from them  them  there  there was paid to  to  one  one of the sons of Tobias and Gabbana (now twenty and) when they came to Ky and if their fathers had lived out before they would have had $1000, they said they had not, that Tobias deceased  deceased moved to Ky in year 1803. and Gabbana in 1808 They are respectable and live in all  all  Adams  Adams County, Lower  Lower , 30 or 40 miles of this. The claim  claim is so apparent that he  he claim should be suspended. But before this if you wish it done now  now write me I will take the proof of the children of Tobias and Gabbana.

I enclose a copy of her papers, they are short short. As I am a stranger to you, but I am known to the Gen: McCalla of the city, to whom I refer. Respectfully,
E. Smith
P.S. Shortly before it was known a pension was granted the agent here bought out the chance of her back pay for $50.
If you would be at the trouble to examine the pro- =cutions of Forbis and (some still Forbush) and Gabbour I expect you will see the time they came to this. They were not ap- =prehended of what they were to as- =sist in Williams in Madison before 1796. E. S.
Forbis and Gabbour are dead to new pensions.

House of Representatives March 9 th 1860
Hon. Geo. C. Whiting Commission of Pensions Dear Sir
Please do me the kindness to give the information asked for in the enclosed letter from Col. E. Smith
Very respectfully Green Adams

Rev War Office, Nov. 5 th 1858.
Sir,
Your letter of the 26 th of September last addressed to the Secretary of the Interior transmitted to the Department by the Hon: John C. Breckenridge, has been referred to this Office for reply.
You complain, that you have now received replies to the letters which you have written this Office in relation to the claims of pension of Mr. Dugger & Mrs. Mary Simpkin. I find by a reference to the claim of Dugger, that you were written Oct: 31 st 1856, April, 7 th 1857 Nov: 19 th 1857 that the Hon: A. G. Talbott, was written at your instance on the 23 rd of last January. It also appears from the correspondence in the case of Mrs. Simpkin, that you were written July, 12 th 1855, July, 26 th 1855

Nov: 25 th 1856, & May, 6 th 1857, & that the Hon: pro: M. Elliott was written in response to your inquiries, on the 19 th of Jany: 1858.
It is impossible to furnish You with Copies of said Correspondence further than the Copy of My letter to You under date of Nov: 25 th 1856, which is herewith Inclosed.
It is proper that I should say that if the Cases are fraudulent, the Government has no remedy, as the Statutes of limitations would bar any prosecution.
In reference to the failure of the Attorney of Mr. Sumpkin, to pay over to her the amount of her Allowance. I have to say that it is a subject over which this Department Office has no Control. Her remedy, if any, must be in a suit at law, in some Court in Kentucky, of Competent jurisdiction.
J. Smith Esq. Mt: Vernon, Ky;
107.2

Mt Vernon Kentucky
26 th June 1853
Gentlemen While I Broke
We have long known, Jacob Gabriel and John Farley both of whom are Revolutionary Pensioners and Resident Citizens of Laurel County Kentucky to be men of high Respectability, and their Oath should be respected and believed, The said Jacob Gabriel and John Farley are to us personally known as aforesaid.
A Moore
E. Smith
Richmond Kentucky
Hon ble Commissioners of Pensions at Washington City D.C. And any other officer of the pension office from the above addys of John A. Moore & E. Smith who are men of high respectability I can without hesitation say to you the Oath of John Farley & Jacob Gabriel should be believed and respected who are Revolutionary pensioners of Laurel County Kentucky
Addison White (Mr. C)

State of Kentucky Madison County
S.
police Judge
of the Town of Richmond, Kentucky do certify that Addison White our present Representative to Congress personally appeared before me and acknowledged the foregoing statement to contain the truth and signed the same in my presence.
July 16 th 1853
Dudley Webster Police Judge
State of Kentucky
County of Madison ss
I, Thomas H. Barnes Clerk of the County Court of Madison County, State of Kentucky, do certify that Dudley Webster Dudley Webster whose name appears to the above certificate is police Judge of the town of Richmond and State above named duly confirmed and sworn and the signature purporting to be his is genuine in testimony whereof I hereunto subscribe my name as Clerk of said County Court and affix the Seal of said Office or Court.
Done at Richmond Kentucky this 16 th day of July 1853.
Thos H Barnes Clerk Madison County Court.

Washington, Sept. 8 th 1853
Sir:
Enclosed I have the honor to present the supplemental declaration of Mrs. Mary Lumpkin, formerly widow of Col. John Williams, of the North Carolina Continental line. Also, the depositions of John Fawbush and Jacob Gablett, (both of whom have heretofore testified in the case) the deposition of Mrs. Cape Walker, an aged lady who knew Col. Williams while in service, and the certificate of the Secretary of State of N. C. showing his services.
I think you will find in these papers a substantial compliance with the requirements of your letter of 27 th July last. You will perceive that the claimant, and all the witnesses, speak of the service of Col. Williams having been performed in the early part of the war. Gablett and Fawbush both knew him as a Colonel in 1775. Now although the rolls of the Continental line do not show any service prior to

November 1776, yet by referring to Wheeler's History of North Carolina, vol. 1. page 72, you will find that in 1775 he was appointed by the State Congress , a Lieutenant Colonel of Minute Men , for the Hillsborough District.
The evidence which I now present as to the residence of the Claimant's husband, tends to identify him with the man by that name who was appointed Lieutenant Colonel for the Hillsborough District . The widow says she always understood that he lived in Guilford County in the time of the war. By looking at the map you will see that Guilford County adjoins Orange , in which Hillsborough is, and was consequently in the Hillsborough District . Randolph County , where Hawkes first became acquainted with Col. Williams in 1775, adjoins the county of Guilford , and must have also been in the Hillsborough District .
All the testimony which I now present tends to identify the claimant's husband

with the Col. John Williams referred to in Wheeler's History as aforesaid, and upon the rolls of the North Carolina line.
As he is identified by the positive testimony of three witnesses who knew him in the service, two of whom are pensioners, and as all the facts stated by these witnesses are entirely consistent with the record evidence and with History, I trust you will find the claim now established to your satisfaction.
The fact mentioned by the Claimant, that her husband was a cousin of Edward Williams, who served as a Captain in N.C. and whose widow has been allowed a pension for such service, is, I think, a circumstance of some importance.
I have the honor to be
Very respectfully
Your obed Servt
J. H. Moore
How L. P. Waldo
Commr of Pensions.

McVernon Ky June 16
Hon! James Galt Washington
Mail
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Body

St. Vincent Ky Jan 12/57
(Confidential)
De Sir: I have recd. your answer from you since you wrote you, last month to be to act Jopling to know if he signed the Swearing papers. He Mr Duggan has now he gave an answer I think it was in the negative as he told. He Certificate of T. J. Smith as a justice was a forgery, he had been out of office from May election previous. He the two years. (out of Congress) has any steps, in one of my letters I suggested that you would examine the Revised statutes of this state and see if you could not act in the State Courts. I will repeat the case of the widow Williams (alias Mrs Lumphin). From the copy of her application I sent you, Williams was a lady in N. C. moved to Ky and died in Madison County in 1796. You will see by the application, per pension could be granted her, but for the proof of John Forbis and Elizabeth (old man who had always been of good character, but after the pension was

gratuitous they were at the time. For his had nearly lost his mind, not capable of comprehending and Gabborn his mind half gone by old age. Forbus was even more at times than others. They are near to swears they saw and know best. Williams in his before he died. I have found out by a friend as I wrote you. Cately Neither of them were even in the till, Forbus in 1803, Gabborn in 1808, as as  his aged son, told me. Forbus told me, and so my friend tells me as to the age children of Gabborn, that they remained to the with their fathers and they know they were never in the before. The Asst. Genl. re. Smith the Asst has now about $5000 of the money in his hands, never paid over but keeps it and uses part of charge for his services. It seems to me as the money is in Transition that could be stopped in his hands and the two year limit - iton would not apply to her benefit. If there is no remedy in the case of Duggan if you would send your friend Jonathan Newcomb Esq. (a good Lawyer) a copy of the surging antiprecity and instruct him to make the fact known to T. S. Smith

and Miller the clerk (his certificate is now a forgery as the others had accused the officer) the money would be repaid and by the gent James M Smith in short order. If steps can be taken in for the money in his hands, will you to write to Newcomb he would prepare the case will be say to him confidently to call on me and I will fully ad- -vise him. He knows nothing of the correspondence (as to the mystery) between you and, nor no one. For my own satisfaction I should like to hear from you.
Yrs with respect E: Smith
P.S. If you write Newcomb dis- -vise him to call upon B.C. at Gopling and show him the documents. E. S.

Smith wrote all the
on Vernon Ky Jan 2 Free
Hon: James Guthrie
Washington
Mail } City

(Private)
W. Vernon Ky Jan. 1/56
He Sir: I'm yours of the 24 ult. It is an unpleasant duty to perform but the man alluded to in my letter is notorious for his frauds upon the widows and heirs and trustees. Willingly I sent my father's obit. From poverty he has grown rich by frauds on the pension office. He is a half brother of mine I am sure. I have heretofore given Mr. Malce a hint of the frauds. but my letter the information was got at by Mr. Coombs (Pension Agt in the city) and I was prepared so I quit correspondence. Hearing Mr. Coombs and I think one by the name of Jackson had access to the papers of the Department or was told him by one of clerks. Coombs has some time since was sent West to attend frauds. I have no objection. He needs some body to trail him up. He may

for several years and is now the Agent of James M. Smith. I went with my correspondence with you to reach a be known in the pension office. It was a back here in a few days. Now for the case of forgery. William Dugger served in the Mexican war. I thought three years since he was placed on the pension roll, at the as an invalid. The people were surprised, as he is a stout, healthy. It got reported that Doct. Saum and Josiah Jop- ling had a certificate. I was not sub- =scribed at Saum, as he is a quarterly but knowing  the Jopling to a gentleman and one of the best Docts in Ky I was as- =tonished. I inquired of the Doct in a way he did not my purpose and he said he never had, but had referred Dugger thinking him a Samson man. About two or three months since I saw a letter from the pension office to to W. H. Granville Hailby of this county

who was recommended there at the request of your friend Johnathan Newcomb Esq. saying that Dea r Jopling, then  now was to his surgeon Certificate. It was he that Dea r did not sign it, but says nothing to him for the present. To avoid the passing, go yourself or let up Clk (not making known his name object) and know the fact that Josiah Jopling s now to his per adu- -ation. Then you will so find it. Then so write a confidential letter to the Dea r making enquiry on the subject. Say to him to not speak of it for a time. At the time you write Jopling write me, the name of the Justice, if not it appears to have been done in Court. But I guess it was done before a Justice, I think I know him, pre- pared for such business. I will write you what witnesses to

When you get the last letter you know what cause to pursue. The original papers I suppose you will send W. Rogers, U. S. S. Van for the pension. About three years since the widow Lumpkin was placed on the 1 1/2 pension roll for up to date of $5000. Smith and Coombs agents. The enclosed copy will explain all. She says her husband Williams died in Madison 1796, then She proves by Forbis and Gabbard that they knew him in Ky before he died. Their children now 70. or more tell me Old Forbis moved to Ky in 1805 and Gabbard afterwards that neither was in Ky before that. Without their proof the pension could not have been granted. They were pensioners but very old. They were thrown the pension on , but since I was I am told when they give their compositions they were very fair in amount. not

I account for their such manner on the 1st & 2nd as best.
capable of giving evidence. Indeed from what I hear they can do it (particularly Forbis) who cannot comprehend any way near to him. There is no doubt this Williams was a man of straw made to represent some other man. or a fictitious one If he was the best Williams said he would never find his name in History. He punts Smith to keep about $5000 in his hands. (never have over) As the money is in transaction I suppose it can be traced. Granville  See Bailey wrote to the Pension office all the facts as I have written, but the Commissioners wrote back to him he could take no steps until he had some proof of fraud. None is proof to be taken until suit brought. The proof will be as I tell you. There is You might examine the pension papers of Forbis and Gabbard (both area)

P. L. - Smith wrote all this last week.
perhaps you might see where they sojourn and when they first come to Ky. Granville Haisley wants to manage the case if you bring suit a more competent man could not be found. Neither of the cases should be known until the officers act. He says he is going to Texas or Mo this winter. If the state court has jurisdiction Haisley can bring the suit forthwith. He in the Fed. Court write to Haisley to see Rogers and give him informa- -tion as to his property, as it should be attached or held to bail. Haisley will at request attend to the preparation of the case and charge nothing unless in case of success the Government  restores it to Rogers  to Rogers Write to J. P. C. if it is customary. and to me. about men- tion my name to him. E. Smith

Her! James Guthrie
Washington
3
city

Lt. Vernon H. Feb. 1/1856
(Confidential)
Dear Sir: The my last two letters I enclosed to the Rev. L. M. Cox. In the list of witnesses I think I omitted the name of James Eatton. I have recd an answer from the St. Genl. Rogers, but I shall not answer him. You need not advise him from whom you got your information from, neither does he know the particular object of my letters. Doct. Gopling, T. S. Smith and Miller are to assist the friends as to the cause the latter likewise to prove the handwriting of James M. Smith; the ballads of the witnesses also to prove his hand writing, oh this Rogers should be informed the Marshall should be accused by one or two, as he is suspected and goes armed with Pistols & Bowie Knives. I am told he expects to leave after our circuit court on the 4 Monday in this month for Texas or Arkansas. The Secy. is going about the State. I expect he has written with you before this. If you have not heard from him on the arrival of this with him again

Confidentially, ever and respectfully request an answer. Through per- sonally attached to T. S. Smith (but not to James) and Miller I can't believe that Warfield has promised answering your letter When he does write he will deny most positively ever signing either. I knew him speak of the report that he had signed. yrs & E. Smith
The money, (near all) he got from the widow Williams alias Mrs. Lumpkins he never paid over In my last I called your attention to the fraud. If I am right I had thought as the money was in transition the 2 years limi- -tation spoken of by Mr. Waldo in his report 1854 would not apply as the money could be recovered back. Let me hear from you best point as to the concern of the 1800's and what you think of my views as to the fraud in the Mr. Williams case. E. S.

M c Vernon Ky ab 7
Hon! James Guthrie Washington
mail   S city

M c Vann Ky Ap r 4/56
(Confidential)
Dir: Since writing the under I rec d the promised in- formation as to the proof in the case of the widow Williams, born alias Lumpkin; it is reliable. John Forbis first married in Madison County in 1803, Gabbard in 1808 He says their age children. They were ignorant of the object of enquiry. I suppose there are now quite $5000 of the money in the hands of James M c Smith her agent, never paid over. Permitted to keep it and use it. Without the proof of these men the proof is blank for a pension. They were  then or made to do so they knew her Williams in the service in N. C. and in Madison Ky before he died which was in 1796. See the copy of her application from the pension office. It seems to me that the money as it is in transfer  could be could be stopped and the two years limitation, in regard to in W. M c Bellamy Report would not apply. If I am wrong, write to Mr. Rogers, U. S. Atty if you commence applications to correspond with your friend Johnathan Vann com
P.S. For his and Gabbard's, were respectable, but when he was from their age and parents of his being in the house on.

What properly to attach (if you are so desire) as he intends shortly to depart so West can leave the stock, Texas as he has said. Write me.
Yours sincerely
E. Smith

St. Vernon Ky Confraternal, Jan 23/56
Yesterday I received of the 15 th Ins. I told you I have sent you a list of names. Milton J. Miller, E. T. Fish, Dan'l. Ledyard, T. J. Smith, A. J. Ledyard the latter owing to bad health for many years with ability also may not be able to attend, Tho' the balance knows his hand wright. Tho' conflicted with the policy yet he made it an invariable rule to sign all of- ficial business when in office up to May 1857. The two personal bonds on certificates confirm each both are forgeries. I fear I was not explicit enough to point you to the fraud in the case of the widow of John Williams who was the widow of Lumpkin. See her application a copy of which I sent you. The fraud consists in this.

The Lewis Williams died in Madison County Ky in 1796.
Forbis and Gabbard knew that I knew him in Ky before he died. Old Forbis' sons, one of the other ladies told me (though they did not know the oldest of the sons) that the first time he came to Ky when they came with him in 1805  1805 or so, and they say Gabbard came at Narcas, so I am told Gabbard sons will state. Without the proof of Forbis and Gabbard a pension could not be granted. But to morrow certain that they were not in Ky (but as to myself from what Forbis sons told me they were not) I will in a short time have them both the sons of both questioned by a friend and write you. I hope you will be able
They were in N. upon Forbis then at times was in a state of insanity and Gabbard but little more in N. as I have been told since so doubt of the fact.

in to the conclusions of Forbes and Gabbora for a hazy view you might find some light on the subject. James M. Smith has most of the money in his hands speculating on. He has not yet gone to Paris, but says he is arranging to go there in Nov. Hect. Gohling has not written you for several days. He is just now coming from a seven shells of sickness and yet is confined to his bed. W. E. Smith
The witnesses I saw you all know the hand right of J. M. Smith and the Hect. The power of att. says he can was made act by him; you might see that them along. They all know if not certainly from reputation he was the St. of Duggen, but his hand right will prove that, but you may say Duggen (I am for Pulaski one to the) as he lives near the line in which I don't know

You will not ask as too from whom you get your information. I sent this by private channel that I heard. Upon my letters my history. reproduce E. Smith
Dear Mr. Lyndon
Washington
Mail 3 City

with the papers etc.
Mt Vernon Ky June 3
Mr
Hon! Jacob Thompson (Sec. Int.)
Washington
City
Mail } } }
The Commission of pension will please examine into this case and confer with Mr. ... the subject
I am Sir Yours respectfully at the request of the Com.
Ag. Secy

U. Vernon Ky June 3/57
Private & Confidential
Hon. J. Thompson: Sir: By the request of Mr. M. Glennan or Col. Waldo, I will communicate some new facts that have lately come to my knowledge in relation to a fraud upon the P. Office in the obtention of a claim obtained about 3. or 4 years since by the widow Lumpkins who was the wife of Col. Will- iams of the N. E. line. Amount was made of $5800, and an annual pension. James M. Smith was the agent here and I think W. Leooms, or Leooms at Washington. By looking to the papers it is clear  clear no pension could have been granted but for the evidence of Forbis and Gabbard. She swears her husband died in Mad- ison County Ky in 1796. Forbis & Gabbard swear they knew him in service and saw him in Madison County Ky before he died. Here is the fraud. Forbis and Gabbard, never was in Ky till they married here one in 1803 the other in 1808. In their boys tell me, respectable men, some now upwards of 70 years of age, who married with their fathers and know they were never in the State before. Nor can the money be recovered back by the Government. I think so. I have written Mr. Waldo on the sub- ject, but it seems to me he never got to understand it.

He had the not thought all the facts I now saw. After the claim was before the Dept and no doubt Grant : tea Smith brought the chance of it for $50. He drew the whole, and never paid over any. Then First I think he holds the money in trust for the Govt, being obtained by Fraud. 2 nd He holds it in trust, not having been paid over to the grantee, the purchase being of no effect. The money has  also was always thought well, but I am many don't believe, in using  for his age and looks that he was old enough, but was made or that he first husband was an officer in the Army, (some think the money was never paid) but has been made to passate a man of straw.  Gasco Gabbard and Forbis were pensioners and by looking in to their papers I expect you will find when they moved to Ky. When in health and I am sure they were regarded as men of truth, but soon after I was informed that when they gave their declarations they were almost destitute of means, in case Forbis was then or shortly (I think then) and found a Lunitie and a committee appointed for him. That they were not compelled there is no doubt. Old Mr. Lumpkin would see him but he threatened that he would have his name dropped from the pension list. If the Govt = will should conclude to take steps
4. He made the accusations of Forbis & Gabbard.

forward the papers to St. Louis. Rogers and if you wish the proof taken and the case published and you will write to me and I will Newcom Esq. He will do so and make no charge, except in case of success the Government pay what it may think right. Newcom is an ex- cellent lawyer, known to the Department. must the through the Hon. Jay Gathorne, his personal and political friend & with whom he served in the late Constitutional Convention of Ky. He has had much business with the Department from this County (Rockcastle) W. Rogers had best write us first, we will give him a list of his estate to attach (the money can be made) and we will see the Forbidals ab- : boxes & have a written statement what they will swear. He is the same Jay M. Smith that prepared the papers of Mr. Hargrave and In- : lia about which I have written you. If Major Bissb is connected with the Govt. he could give a very satisfactory opinion as he understands our laws & decisions so will which I suppose would apply in this case. The 2 years limitation by Congress in pension prizes I suppose would not ap- : ply, but the limitation (5 years) of Ky would. If I am mistaken in assuming your help please

have this over to the War Secretary leal. I make this private, but specially upon Mr. Leons who has  how to pay  hundred a day as a day up or inf private conversation and must have had the aid of Respectfully an other or betrayed } E. Smith Complain or here: } Williams grantee. I have had a copy of the papers from the Dept!
to the papers - G.
Mr. Wilson Ky June 3
Dear
Hon! Jacob Thompson (Sec. Int.)
Washington City Mail
The common law of nations will please to understand that and can be understood as subject to the
I believe the main end of the as well as for the to be the

Hon! J. Thompson
Washington
City
M

St. Vernon Ky Sept 10/57
Hon: J Thompson:
I desire to know from the Pension Office in duplicate copies which I wish to file in suits in which I am personally interested.
The said pain to the widow Lumkin (first name) and to know about their year since; the same as to the widow Smith, widow of Henry Smith dec'd (Pension) the same as to the heirs of the widow Lambert, (widow) Nancy Hawkins John and Solomon Lambert, the same as to the heirs of Lucy Pumphrey wife of Henry Pumphrey. Neither of the above persons have any interest in the suits. Most of them live in the West. E. Smith
State of Ky No. 100-57-100-57 Before me a County Judge. E. Smith this day made oath to the above Sept 10/57 J. Elmore McRee

Mt Vernon Ky
Nov. 17/56
(Confidential and strictly private)
D. Q. Sir: I thus begin my letter because when Mr. Walcut I wrote (private) as to some frauds upon your department (when two I was accused by Mr. Walcut of prac- -ticion) yet strange to tell in each cor letters from Mr. Leacock Leacock of your City (whom I understand at times is a secret agent sent out to detect frauds & forgeries) reached here to the party implicated before I rec'd an answer. A part of the clerk clerks I presume in pre- senting him to examine corpora- -tial correspondence. I thought him a bad selection to hunt out frauds. But in the cases he was permitted to examine and wrote about he was a sub. agent at the City and carried through the claims. I trust that my letters may be kept from his inspec- -tion and that the clerk (if the same one) may  may be instructed to keep them from his inspection. He either saw my letters or the clerk to a certainty told him the contents. This is a bad inconni- -ment to detect frauds, and worse on the part of Mr. Leacock whom any is I understand to be always

to hunt them out. I look up on him as a friend. To my subject. Some three years since a pension was granted for $5000 and paid annually to the widow Lumpkin of this (Rock- -castle County Ky) family formerly the wife of the so called Col. Williams of the N. E. Arm in the Revolution. and placed on the Pension Roll of Ky I believe at $300 and an allowance per year. No proof being Williams (her husband) was in the service as an officer, (I doubt as a private) but his name was never to answer for an other if the like name was on the N. E. Roll. I have heard from Col. Waldo a synopsis of his application and proof which I enclosed last winter to the Hon. James Guthrie. Since then I will say the old lady has always borne a good character. She lived her husband died in Mason County Ky in 1796. and proved by old Forbis (a pensioner) and old Gabbard (a pensioner) both dead, that they knew Wil- -iams in N. E. in the Army as a Col. and knew him in Ky before he died. You will see without this proof a pension can not be granted. When they give their testimony I am informed by their children, they were

So old are people and lack of memory that they can't comprehend and easily impose on. I have not seen them for several years and scarcely give my affir- -avit to the good character of their two old sons and Mr. Lumpkin. But since I am totally two sorry of each (Whiteth) between 60 and 75. that their fathers never came to Ky before they moved to there with them, old Forbis 1803, by ab: born 1808. Now you to examine their pension papers it might show when they first came to Ky. Their children say they were not in Ky until 1810. James M. Smith was the agent, and wrote the papers here. and Mr. Leavens, or Jackson, but I think Leavens in Washington. Smith has expenses of $5000 in having never heard over which he claims as a fee a gift and only he over $50 of his back pay. Smith wrote the whole proof, in his own hand writing, I think he could be held responsible for what he has not paid over; that he could not protect himself under the 2 year limitation in the pension laws, that he held it in trust for the Gov- -ernment and that the limitation of longer will not protect him, or would only be protected if then by the 5 year limitation of this statute.

where he is? the money. But But again he is responsible to the Govt. because he was as he says by contract to receive all back pay except $60. by his own act he got the money by false testimony as can be proven by the children of the mother  widow the widow in no better condition than the widow if she had written the false testimony. Upon discovery of the fraud, the money not paid over Carla be retained, if paid over Carla be recovered back by the Government. If you think with me (perhaps it is the business of the Treasury Department, if so have this over to the proper Department) and if suit is brought in the Federal Court of Ky, myself and James Fish (well known to Genl. M c Calla) will at our own ex- pense and trouble take the dis- positions in Laurel (100 miles from the Court) and if successful give us what the department usually allows, one half we are to take collection, but that matter not, what part you give us when collection all right. If suit is brought write to the Atty Atty. Genl. Mr. Rogers to write us. He is a single man, no financial means of his own, his estate consists of money except a negro negro son James

a negro boy (8 years) Milton a girl  born Mary (8 years). He is preparing to leave for Texas. Resides in Ind. suits against him for near $3500. for pension may be not being due, and other suits for pension money for $1000. and other suits besides. He will sell and leave to avoid responsibility. As much Fish and myself are not known to you, I send you a letter from a friend of his Johnathan Newman Esq. one who served with the Hon! W. Gutherth that formed the New Constitution of Ky in 1850. 1850 to whom you will hear the evidence and hear from him. He you bring suit under me and Fish a report copy of the papers and instruct Mr. Rogers to communicate us.
Respectfully E. Smith
Fish and him at present if you have any suit, write to the Hon. G. G. Gutherth Esq. and he will make the proff. proff.

Hon: J. Thompson (W. Int'l)
Washington City
Mail
1848

(Private)
McVernon Ky
Sept. 12/57
Hon! Mr. Thompson: About four years since an Mexican pension was granted to Mr. Dugger of this (Rockcastle City) for injuries in Mexico. I am Mr. Smith (who has had much business in the Dept.) prepared the papers. Doctor Saany and Jopling prepared to be the the Surgeons. Two years after the pension was granted, the Dept. wrote to Jopling to know if his signature was correct. He wrote back that his name was a forgery and the Dept. suspended the grant. When the letter of the Dept. was shown to Jopling, he said Smith "it was not a forgery, that the Dept. would not suspend it, and said my affidavit was in the papers as to Dugger's disability which is false. This puts us in an unpleasant position. As a prosecution in the Federal Court is barred by limitation, we have no relief except we have the original papers to exhibit. The Dugger's Certificate purports to be signed by Thomas J. Smith J.P. who says he never knew Doctor Jopling and the Dept. no doubt would like to know if the Dept's Certificate is genuine. Our forgery renders all disputes

It is nothing of arguing coming from a perjured Agent. Therefore I trust the help will enable us to put matters right and vindicate ourselves before the public, that the original papers will be returned to Mr H. R. Randall Esq. at London 1st. My friend Col. Garrison (State Treasurer) will inform you who he is. Please instruct him when at this place to at submit the papers to the inspection of Doct. Sopling, E. Smith, T. J. Smith and the Clerk and such others as he thinks proper to test the fact of forgery and then return them back. Mr Randall is a profound Member of the Bar here and is here often. I made the like request of you about the first Monday in July last, endorsed by the Hon. Mr Elliott, but have not no answer and I fear never will this affair. See Again a pension was granted to the widow Lumpkin for $5800 and for $275 or $375 per year. The claim was pro- secuted by Smith. After the papers were on file (perhaps granted) he brought her interest for $50. and paid her no more. This was a fraudulent claim. Her first husband was a Capt. Williams (20 cala) even if she was married to him, never was a Col. in the service.

By looking in to her papers you will see the pension was granted on the proof, of two old pensions, John Forbis and Gabbora. At the time from old age and arrear was superannuated. In one case (Forbis) at the time had 20 years left his time that the court appointed a Com with her him. Smith drew these declarations before a Justice very incompetent one who I have no idea examined them. They are made to swear that they knew her "Williams" in N. C. and that they knew him in Ky before he died in 1796. Now their children tell me (some now seventy years old) that Forbis & Moore were in Ky in 1805 and Gabbora in 1808. Now you to examine their original declarations for a pension, and let's see what they show the time. Their children tell me neither was ever in Ky before the date of the declarations with. Given this state of case it seems to me the Government can be recovered back. The sole present no difficulty, the money is in transition and must be stopped in his hands. If the help thinks as I do and brings a suit in the F. Court, I and Johnathan Newcomb will manage the case in the country. If we

and succeed we will charge nothing for our trouble; and if successful pay us what you may choose. We may have to call upon the Atty: Genl. for 5 or 10 $ to pay the expenses of taking deposition. If suit is brought Mr. Rogers will correspond with us best.
Respectfully
E. Smith
Smith is sure but would be well to attach her property.
Hon: J. Thompson (Atty: Genl.)
Washington
Early
Mail

Hon. J. Thompson
Washington
City

McVernon Ky
Sept. 10. 1857
De. Sir.
You will recem by the hands of Col. James Garrod (Mason etc) and perhaps Hon. S. G. Talbot two letters, one of the subject of enclosing the original application of Mr. Dug-geu for an invalid pension. I have written (confidentially) several letters to the Dept. on the subject - If you send the papers to Mr. Randall I hope you will not send my letters, as they have nothing to do as to the forgery. If the Dept. wants to find out the fraud and drop the claim of the widow Lumpkin, Mr. Randall wants as so as the children of Col. Forbis and Gabbora live in Lumpkin his county. By my other letter you can instruct him what to do. But write to confidentially to confer with me and I will put him on the right track - It will not take more than one or two days to do it.
{ Respectfully E. Smith
Private & Confidential

Department of the Interior
City of Washington 20 th June 1854
Sir
I have to acknowledge the receipt of your letters of the 18 th Ult o and 10 th Inst o , and in reply to say, that while I should be pleased to comply with your wishes, I do not feel at liberty entirely to disregard the regulations adopted by this Department in furnishing copies of papers from its files, or records to be used in cases of litigation.
If, however, you are unable from any cause to comply with these regulations, without too much inconvenience and trouble, the Commissioner of Pensions will no doubt put you in possession of the information desired, upon being satisfied that you ask it for legitimate purposes and have a personal interest in its procurement.
It is due to this Department, that these conditions should be complied with, and that it should be apprized of the purposes for which the transcripts are wanted, as well as of your particular relations in the premises.
Very Respectfully
Your O bed Serv t
J. Thompson
Secretary
E Smith Esq
Mount Vernon, Kentucky
I am not ap d : prima

regulations referred to. I send you my affidavit. E. Smith

M t Vernon Ky
Jan: 11/58
I desire to know if James M Smith of this State was ever a regular agent at the Pension Office, if so is he now? (A) For a five years since he prepared the papers for the heirs of the widow Lambert, his Nancy Hawkins, Sol d and John Lambert, her first husband was Lt Williams. She prepared the papers of the widow Lumpkin, her first husband Col d Williams He also prepared the papers of Mr. Dugger (Malia Mex. War) all of Rockcastle County Ky ex - Cpt Nancy Hawkins Estill. The same information as to agency as to Isaac H. Traber. E. Smith
A) He was - in case when

Washington
July 6 1856
Dear
I return the papers sometime since borrowed from your office in the case of the pension of the widow of John Williams
A friend of Mr. Luthin in Kentucky was so impor- tunate for some investiga- tion to be made to prove the claim for a pension, that I have written some letters in order if possible to throw light upon that point. I

and the upholder to have my letters, with the papers. Of course you will read them and if there is ground for proceedings against the parties, you will direct them Sanctuary H. H. Henshaw
Rev. Dr. Henshaw Cass Scituate

Mr. T. J. ... will please ... a ... .. Am
Rev. Joseph ... Our ... ..

10. 12: The en trials  enquiries of the name of Miller (Clk) will give you a party I am of his hand right. For five years J. J. Smith has only wrote his name being pedigree. It is so scribbling that is scarcely legible. If it is given he has signed it for some other paper J. J. P. has been used. Miller writes a very plain, free and easy hand. I shall send three names among the list of witnesses. What is the char- acter of the hand right of J. J. Smith, and S. Miller. S. Miller Smith writes rather a clean free hand, but the original will show his hand E. Smith The ink faded I write
5 . . . the 2

Not Jas. Guthrie

Exhibit #

Pension Office Nov 25 1856
Sir
Your communications in relation to the cases of Mary Lumpkin and William Dugger of Kentucky have been seriously considered and you are informed that this Office will not, at this time, take any action in relation to them farther than it has already done - Payment in Duggers case has been stopped - and if it could be demonstrated that it was a fraud the Statutes of limitation would bar a prosecution, You do not yourself seem to think that Mrs Lumpkin intended to perpetrate a fraud; and if her Attorney has failed to pay her the money drawn upon her certificate she has her remedy in a civil suit - And, as in the case of Dugger, the Statutes of limitation would prevent a conviction in a criminal prosecution -
I beg to tender you my thanks for your zeal in this matter and to assure you that every such laudable effort to shield the Government is duly appreciated by J. C.
E Smith Sec McVernon Ky

Pension Office,
Oct. 10. 1857
Sir:
Your letter of the 17th ultimo, to the Secretary of the Interior, has been referred to this Office for answer.
In it you refer to a request made, in a former letter to the Secretary, on your sworn statement, asking for copies of certain papers not described in this letter. As I have no means of ascertaining to what papers you refer I am unable to comply with your request.
Very respectfully,
Your Obt. Servant,
G. W. Colburn Commissioner.
E. Smith, Esq., Mount Vernon, Kentucky.

Oct. 31. 56, Apr. 7 th 57, Mar. 19 th 57, Nov. 11. 1858, Jan. 23 rd 58
M c Verna Ky
Sept. 26/58
Dear Sir: Being a stranger to you I transmit this to you through the hands of Col. James Garrison, the Treasury of our state. It is to detect fraud and robbery upon the Treasury, through the pension office. I was requested to do so by Mr. McLellan. I did so, and my letters were handed over to Mr. Walas. He did not manifest that any money that I thought he should be entitled to a pension as a General officer should. He is success on the same way. Since you came in office I have written often but no answer. It may be my letters never reached you. The frauds upon the pension office I wrote Mr. Walas upon. Likewise wrote I wrote to Mr. Gullin who promptly took the matter in hand and the claim of Mr. Dugger stopped, an Invalid pensioner in the Ky Agency in the Mexican War. Gullin

His papers (I have a copy) published to be signed by the two sons J. W. Sawyer and J. Jopling. W. Guthrie wrote to Deat. Jopling if he signed his papers, the Deat. promptly wrote back his name was a forgery and W. Guthrie suspended his pension. I saw M. Smith (much to do with the pension office for 6 or 7 years back, in partnership with the W. Council of the City) prepared the papers. I saw Dugger two weeks since (who is in good health and prospering) he told me he got the name of Deat. Sawyer, that Smith instructed him to take the application to Deat. Jopling, he did so, Jopling refused, he then returned it to Smith and to his surprise in a few weeks the pension came on. When the news reached that the claim was suspended for forgery, Smith made a great fuss, said Jopling would not swear he had not signed,

and that I had given an affidavit ( contemptuous ) (A great lie) as to his disability. This put me & the Dept in a bad position. I then wrote to the Commission of Pensions (I think Mr. Walas) and Condon, beseeching him to take steps to have the matter financially investigated in the Harold Case, where the original papers could be seen by the neighbors of myself and Dept. I felt that we might be relieved. The Commission with me that two years had elapsed and have any action by the Government. I then wrote to the Solicitor of the Treasury. He informed the papers could be presented in the State Court, that there was a proviso in the Act of Congress of 1823 and 25 for the State. I wrote the Commission he did not answer me. I enclose the letter of the Solicitor of the Treasury to Sec. Cobb but neither Condon nor I answered me. Though the records letter books of the Interior will show I was requested to do so.

It is due to me and Doct. Spingarn who were wrote to Guther and me especially as I was requested to do so, that the Help! should send the original papers to some trusty man here to be inspected and then returned. I wrote to Mr. Wolaver to order them to Johnathan Newcomb at this place or Mr. H. Randall Esq. of London. The Hon. Mr. J. M. Elliott made the request, but I recd no answer. I think I wrote the like request to a subsequent Commission, the measurement of Mr. Elliott may be on that. I now repeat the request. There is an other claim that J. M. Smith has prepared the claim of the widow Lumpkin, his first husband Lieut. Williams of the N. C. Line. Her first award was $5000 and an annuity, Smith was to get half. Before the Pension Com. to have her bought the claim of it for $50,

And now here is my note. This was a great piece. The declaration and propositions were written by Smith. If the Commissioners will look in the original papers (I have a copy and intend to send to Genl. Gutter) no pension could have been granted without the proof of Forbis and Gabbard, now dead? pensions on the thy the Army. She means the Marina Williams in Ky and that he died in Madison County Ky before or in 1796. Forbis and Gabbard, before they got Suppension were were men of character, but when they made their declaration (as I have since ascertained) were not fit fit to some give evidence. For the part of Maria Forbis was in charge of a Committee by order of court, Gabbard from old age and infirmary did not comprehend what he and was partially insane swore to. I know the Justice and I am satisfied he never read their declarations drawn by Smith. Forbis and Gabbard are made to swear that they knew him & a list

in the N. E. line, that they knew him in McAran County Ky before he died in 1796. Their children (70 and 80 years of age) tell me (they did not remember - stand the object of the inquiry) / that their fathers were never in Ky before they came with them, Forbes in 1803. or 5. Gabbard in 1818. All the money can be re- -covered back (Smith is gone) if the keep d will sue. Ranacle and me will prepare the complaint, and save the costs of advertisements we will charge nothing for our services, but if successful the keep d give us what it may, think right. If suit should be brought, and you will permit us to manage it, W. Rogers the St d Gen d will be instructed to write us. The contract of Smith was void. As agent he never heard from. He holds it now as the agent of W m Lumpkin. The money is in trust and can be stopped. He can't rely upon five years limitation, holding it as agent. Besides I don't believe it is five years since he came the money.

If it was it is not five years since the Government was advised of the fraud.
Respectfully E. Smith
This is confidential. I don't want W. Leobbs to have access. My correspondence was invited con- fidential, but he was permitted to see my correspondence by some clerk and write Smith - at the same time on some time before was the confidential agent in the West to detect frauds. E. P.
The last kept will find a license for them. She was made to fit the name. Her children were 60 and say she was never married before to their father Lumpkin. Her adulthood was drawn before an ignorant and drunken Jus- tice and she was induced to swear to it or cannot know what she was doing. There is no trace of her known at Raleigh N.C.

W. Vernon Ky.
10 th June 1836
Sir
Mr Elisha Smith of W. Vernon informs me that he is writing to the You in relation to funds on the Treasury. Anything that he may state to you relative to such matters you may rely upon as true
Most Respectfully Yours &c
J. N. Brown
Dear James Guthrie Esq. Washington D.C.
W. Vernon Ky. not apprised of the subject matter, but if you mention him, say to him to consult him. Will instruct him in full J. N. Brown

Chase - Mich 23. April 1856
My dear Sir,
Some weeks since I received a letter from A. S. Wolcum Esq. enclosing a note from you and a letter from J. A. Washburn Esq. At. the. Iowa, requesting information in relation to Col. John Williams of the A. C. Div. I replied immediately, stating that I could give no doubt in relation to the second occurrence in which Senator D. C.'s certificate was furnished and promising to communicate any further information I might obtain.
Mr. Washburn to whom I addressed a note of inquiry, writes me under date of the 21. as follows, "Mr. John Bullock of Painesville spent a day with me last week, and I learned from him, that Judge Williams had four or five brothers, from one of whom or a sister he is himself descended. That there was a considerable emigration from New York to Kentucky of this family and its connections from interests acquired there through Mr. Washburn,

land company, and that persons of the name of Lumpkin moved thence to Kentucky also. He suggests that his uncle Richard Bulluck, of Albion who was largely interested in Kentucky land, and visited that State more than once, and who was present at the marriage of Henry Clay could announce the subjects for the Abt. Soc. of the Assembly. He says his uncle is more than 80 years of age, but has always been regarded as a man of extraordinary faculties. Should you recite him on this subject, it may be well to enquire also as to Col. Williams, of Kings Mountain of what family he was and his early history."
I said endeavored to open a correspondence with Mr. Bulluck, and if I have any facts of importance will give you early notice.
I see that Mr. Clay and has introduced memorials from various National Societies praying Congress, to obtain copies of all historical documents in relation to the history of our country, in the public offices in Louisa, and that these memorials have been referred to the Committee of the Senate, on the Library.

Will Congress probably respond favorably? Are you so entirely absorbed in politics, pecuniary matters &c. as to be unable to even advise, for a brief space, some common results as old friends, on subjects interesting only in the Republic of Letters? If you are not, I believe you have too much good sense and kind feeling so to be, will you avail yourself of a convenient opportunity, to pass upon our friend Mr. Dobbins, and ask him to spare you a letter written to him last winter in allusion to my projected visit to England, and after having seen so, to hear and interview with Col. Innes, hear his views, and then favor me with an expression of your own opinion?
Yours very sincerely,
J. H. Lewis
Rev. Dr. Winlock.

Patent Office, May 6, 1857.
Sir:
In reply to your letter of the 3 rd inst. you are informed that we cannot furnish you with the information requested unless you file papers or attesting for the parties who have been commissioned, and which specifically the papers for which is wanted.
E. Smith, Esq. Mount Vernon, Ky.

Panther Creek 28 th March 1856
Sir
I rec d yesterday a letter from Gen l Service, which is herewith enclosed, when I hear from Gen l Graham I will forward his letter to you also.
I have the honor to be Sir
With great respect Y r Ob t Serv t
M c L. Williams
P. G. Washington Esq r .

Chapel Hill, 20 March 1856.
My dear Sir,
I have just answered your letter with its enclosure, making inquiry in relation to Col. John Williamson.
A person of this name was appointed Lieut. Col. of the Middleborough District by Mr. Francis August of 1775, under Col. Sherrill, but of his subsequent history I know nothing. Several other certificates in connection with respect to the information of course. The morning is so far back in point of time, that there may be no one in this region, who can give in- formation upon the subject.
I have answered your son Mr. Washington letter to Dr. Prather, who will more probably be able to supply the information sought for than any one else, in the range of my acquaintance. He will receive my letter at Raleigh probably, on Monday week.
Yours very respectfully,
J. L. S. Lewis
N. L. Williamson, Esq.

Purdie Creek 13 th March 1876
Sir
Your letter of the 18 th Jan, and one from the Revd Warren Windham was rec d some time since, and as I have been answered immediately here from the fact of my not being able to give you the desired information - I have taken some pains to ascertain who the Col. John Williams was of whom you speak, but have been unable to obtain any satisfactory information - I had an Uncle of that name who was a Revolutionary Officer, but he left no children - I also had a Brother by that name, he was a Col. in the War of 1812 - If there was an officer of the Revolution who left a widow who married a Lumpkin, he must have been from the Eastern part of the State, he was not of

my family, and I think it very doubtful whether Mrs Lumpkin ever was the widow of a Col. John Williams a Revolutionary Officer - Should you want further inquiry made I will take pleasure in doing what I can to aid you -
I have the honor to be Sir With respect Yrs. Obedt Servt - M. L. Williams
G. Washington Camp

Mr E Smith I Muses at no cost. Take notice on Friday the 21 day of March 1856 I shall apply to the Judge of the 13 th Judicial Circuit of Kentucky at the court house in the town of Richmond in the county of Madison for a change of venue in a cause of myself and others defts in which suits you informed some several debts I purchased on E Smith, they named which debts I had levied on several slaves of the said E Smith to be held subject to a mortgage given to Genl William Smith deceased
March 12 th 1856
James M Smith & others

Hon's Jas Gubine
Washington
Mail S City

Feb: 4/56
BL: Did a member of Congress certify as to the character of the legions - if so, whom. Smith is a batchelor and nothing to hold him here. He has been cashing out his property with a view to leave. It is said he is for Mo: or Texas shortly. He is gone for both claims if you can attach his property or prevent him from parting with it. He has money on interest loaned to Haily and a Newcom. E. Smith
Mather an confidential letter Haily and Newcom S.P.

Hon: James Guthrie
Washington City

McVernon Ky Jan 24/56 (Confidential)
Before I came to the Navy Yard Eastham if there omitted the his name in my letter of yesterday in my letter enclosed the Rev. L. M. Leos. I thought it pertinent to do so as well as this. You will observe in the case of the minor Williams (Lumpkins) that his parents could not have been granted without the testimony of Florida and Georgia Alabama.
Yrs truly E. Smith
As the money is in the Agents hands yet (not paid over) I presume it can be stopped

U. S. Bureau
Jan 17/56
(Confidential)
Deer I think I am on a good pupituated some time have years since in Madison County, if I can but I will write you in good time. Respectfully E. Smith
1. I see your name mentioned in connection with the office of President. We have been claps in different ranks, but I am free to say I honestly believe you have more strength in the Nation for that station than any name that has been mentioned.
Your Treasury Report and your position at Phil- adelphia as to the construction of the Pacific Railway, I am a Whig and American, but before I would be a black Republican election I would vote for the have made you do  deniers To save the Union I would sever party ties. The safety of the Union is paramount to party. Since when I in Con- gress rather than see the Union in danger for the name of a party, I would vote for the party, not

Not excepting an infamous Abolitionist and trust to the people at the coming election to put things right. Without many the Government must go to pot. E. A.
McMenemy City Mar 18 Free Hon: James Guthrie Washington D.C. March 3 1863

M c Vernon Ky Jan 18 Free
Hon: James Guthrie
Washington
Mail } City

M c Vernon Ky Jan 4 Free
Hon: James Guthrie
Washington City Mail

St. Vernon Ky (Private) Jan: 5/56
Sir: Last night I rec- yours of the 24 ult: with the the Bishops Certificate as to  the -lead Mr. Dugger. It appears to have been known to him as my half brother T. J. Smith justice in April 1852. Then by the clerk. As to Smith? Certificate it was certainly a forgery as Smith was a justice under the old Con- stitution and went out of office in May 1857. Also I recd the clerk's certificate to Mr. T. Miller was clerk in 1852, being elected in May 1857. I am sure Smith had access to his office. I send you through a scrap of paper with the initials of his name in pencil It may seem an can't be on a credit the fraud. I am satisfied there is nothing wrong with Miller, or T. J. Smith as the latter and J. M. Smith have been at outs for years. Write as I have directed to J. P. King. Confidentially and to me. When you get J. P. King's

Answer you know
What steps to take. If you take steps for the man in both cases perhaps Newcomb would be the best to appoint as he is a good lawyer & has can take depositions better than Hailley. He would be glad to manage them without charge unless the case trial in case of success, though that is right to compensate. Taking the depositions (if the State cannot has not jurisdiction) you should send to Hailley or New: the proof I sent you in the case of Mr. Lumpkin. Which ever you elect you would be well to give them a general power of att. to examine in to the correctness of Pension claims in the State. If you do, so then any other claims in this area adjoining counties that I will tell them of that I believe are to be investigated. If suit is brought in the Federal Court then I would say that the expenses of taking the depositions (the witnesses live over 100 miles from Newcomb) should be paid; the amount will be small

See the under When you write to Jopling merely make the enquiry if he signed such a document and not himself inform him when. Cutcliffe, for fear he might name it to T. I. Smith or the clerk and they might name it and to ensure success secrecy is important. I again request that my letters or names in my correspondence with you shall be known at the Dis- -bursing office for secrecy is not safe there. Yrs sincerely E. Smith
A letter of request to investigate other claims, namely given them boldness and they would not be looked upon as ballistics. S S

But James Guthrie Washington City Mail

Mr. Vernon
Jan 4/56
Sir: In connection with the letter I wrote you on the 15th of Nov. I would suggest the pre- caution on the letter to block copying you pay the postage and nothing official on it.
Respectfully
E. Smith

Pension Office
Dec 28 th 1855
Sir
Your note of to-day is rec d .
I enclose copy of the paper requested
Respectfully, &c
Minot
Coombs
Robt. Washington Esq. Assis t Secy of Treasury.

If you will notice that part of the Yorvisian composition as to knowing him in the winter 1796 you will find it was a blank left & then filled up. I mean so.

The reason I wish you to speak of Newcom is that in my last letter I have recommended Newcom to the Dept to do some business for it E. Smith

He will be here in a few days.
While there, Sam or Virginia will turn in to a my father.

Id
I never did M J M

Pension Office
July 26 1883
Sir
Your letter of the 10 th Inst to the Secy of the Interior asking certain questions in relation to the case of Mary Lumpkin of Ky, and I have to inform you that on the 12 th Inst your enquiries were answered,
18a87
E. Smith Esq M c Werner Ky

V E. Smith, Mt Vernon, Ky. June 4/60
States that Mrs. Lumpkin, first wife of Col. John Williams, drew a pension improperly. Asks copy of her papers, for the purpose of investigation.
Respectfully referred to Com. Pensions.
Int Dept June 11/60.
Messrs Kelly Chf. Clk
Rec d June 9/60

Antwerp 14 Jan 11
Yrs
Hon: Mr. Burnt (U.C.)
Washington
Mail
S
City

St. Vernon Ky Jan 11/58
D. Trina: Please enclose this to the Dept. and request an answer. If I am Hawthorne I will pay you some day yf m a E. Smith
Com: Pauling must be beyond our jurisdiction in capturing Walker, unless he was bound by the late Treaty. E. S
See me a Daily Union on Gloona and a while at a document of Intest if to Spain. E. S

McVernon Ky June 4 G. H. Walaw (Pension office)
May Sampkin G. H. Walaw Ky June 2 1898 Mail } Washington City

Mr. Vernon Jan 3/55
Dir: In a suit in this court, in which action will be taken that be reach my money as to a certain want I will thank you to give me the acts of the certificate of up and other to the character of John Forbis I gabbled in the pension application of W. Lumpkin Respectfully E. Smith

State of Kentucky County of Rockcastle } ss
On this the 5 day of August 1853 - before me a Justice of the peace for the County and State above named and one of the acting Justices of the peace of the County Court of said County - personally appeared Came Mrs Mary Lumpkins who is too old and infirm to attend Court who being first duly sworn as the law directs upon her oath makes the following Supplement declaration for the purpose of obtaining the pension due her on account of the Revolutionary Services of her first Husband John Williams deceased. She states from age and loss of memory she cannot state the particulars relating to the services of the said John Williams that she was not married to him till some ten years after the close of the war and that he lived but three years after her marriage and many incidents which he may have related to her in regard to his services have doubtless entirely passed from her mind. She how- ever well remembers that she always understood that he was one of the first to take up arms in North Carolina on the breaking out of the war and was in the service at a very early date that she don't know what County he lived in when he entered the service but he always told her he came from adjoining County to hers, Gilford . She came from Stokes that never knew him till a short time before her marriage that he had a Cousin whose name was Edward Williams resided in Mason County

Kentucky and married one Elizabeth Harper. She believes that on his arrival he found his Cousin dead but his widow living who afterwards married one Mathias Lambert who also died that she has often heard Elizabeth Lambert deceased above spoken of say she knew her husband John Williams in the old war he was a Col in the Revolu- -tionary war & said to be a fine officer that her best husband Edward Williams who was a Captain and a relation to John Williams spoken of always told her he performed good services for the State among one of the first in the field she does remember hearing them say what County her said husband lived in when he first entered the service that Elizabeth Lambert died some time in 1851 and her heirs applied for a pension for the Revolutionary services of her first husband Edward Williams as Capt which was granted them by the Hon. Commissioners of Pensions some time in 1852, she has heard her husband John Williams deceased spoke of Col. Moore. and knew no persons associated with him or seeing them in the service She can't recollect now the country through which he marched that she hopes the Honorable Commissioners of pensions will be satisfied with her Statement August 5 th 1853
Mary Jenkins mark

State of Kentucky } County of Rockcastle } ss
I Jesse Lear a Justice of the peace for the County and State above named do certify that Mary Lumpkins personally appeared before me  me and made oath to the foregoing Statement understanding and subscribed her mark to the same before me I further certify she is 72 years old and in some not able to attend Court I further certify she is a Lady of the highest respectability though poor and have no doubt but her claim is a just one for a pension and ought to be granted This 5 day of August 1853—
Jesse Lear J.P.

Mary Lumpkin formerly widow of John Williams
Ky. Act 1838—
Supplemental Act & additional will Niece.
J. J. Bowby

County of Rockcastle State of Kentucky
I Milton Miller Clerk of the County Court of the County of Rockcastle and State above named do certify that John Lear whose name appears to the foregoing certificate is and was at the time of so signing his name a Justice of the peace and one of the County Court of said County duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine and that I am in no wise interested in said pension nor acting as agent in testimony whereof I hereunto set my name as Clerk of said County Court and affix the seal of said County done at
Mount Vernon Rockcastle County Ky. - the 13 th of August 1853
M y Miller Clerk

11.567
Kentucky
Mary Lumpkin
widow of John Williams
who died on the _____ of _____ in the State of Kentucky
who was a Colonel in the _____ commanded
by Captain _____ of the _____ commanded
by _____ in the Revolution
for 13 Mos & 6 days
Inscribed on the Roll of Louisville at the rate of 330 Dollars 00 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1836.
Certificate of Pension issued the 28 th day of Sept r 1833 and sent to
G. J. Coombs
Arrears to the 4th of Present Semi-annual allowance ending
{ Revolutionary Claim, } { Act July 7, 1838. }
Recorded by W. Weylman Clerk, Book _____ Vol. _____ Page 371

John Williams
N.C. —
Suspended
Letter 8 Sept th 1834
J. F. Birchett
Am 8 B Vane Feb 7/60
act. 11/5 June 1837

A. 440 Kentucky Mary Lumpkin widow of John Williams who was a Colonel in the Revolution
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 330 Dollars 00 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1843.
Certificate of Pension issued the 28 th day of Sept r 53 and sent to
J. J. Coombs Present
[Acts of March 3, 1843 & June 17, 1844.]
Recorded in Book A Vol. 2 Page 18

Washington, July 28 th 1853
Sir:
Enclosed I have the honor to present additional Evidence in support of the claim of Mary Sampkin, formerly widow of John Williams, for pension under act of 1838.
I have written to Kentucky, to have your letter of the 27 th inst. complied with as far as possible. It is not likely that the claimant, at her present advanced age, can very accurately state many particulars of Col. Williams's services, - she not having been married to him till some fourteen years after he left the service and he having lived only some three years after the marriage. She can, however, as I suppose, state in what part of North Carolina he lived

when he entered the service.
Enclosed you will find the affidavit of Mrs. Caped Walker, upon the point of identity . Also, certificates as to the character of John Forbis and Jacob Gabbett, both of whom are witnesses in the case.
I am, very respectfully Your obh serv. J. H. Goules
Hon. S. P. Waldo Comm ee of Pensions

Ganville Ky Sept 30 a 1847 Friend J Thompson
Sir
Inclosed I forward you some letters from Col. Elisha Smith of Mt Vernon Ky. —
I know nothing of the facts stated by Col Smith, but I have no doubt of their correct- ness —
You may place the utmost confidence in Johnathan Newman Esq r of Mt Vernon Ky, and also in W m G b Randall Esq r of London Ky. —
Col Smith is an old man, his family are dependent on him alone for a support, his means means very limited and I trust that it will be in your power to aid him as desired Respectfully J H Ganard

Frankfort Ky 23 d Oct Major Breckenridge Dear Sir
Inclosed I send you same letters inclosed to me by Col. Elisha Smith with a request to forward to you, to be sent to the departments
Col. Smith is old, & has drank to much liquor, but his statements are entitled to credit, I think the departments ought at least to answer his letters and settle the matter at least so far as Col. Smith is

or desires to be connected with the matter —
The J. M. Smith spoken of as a great scoundrel, is a younger brother of the Col., why he spurns him I cannot say, I see J. M. Smith has a bad character when he is known —
W. H. Randall is a gentleman of integrity, resides at Loudon and became mixed up in the case by a suggestion of mine to the Hon. J. S. McCoy last march was a year, that Randall would be a safe person to send the

papers to for examination.
Col. Smith has frequently sent papers to me to forward to the Department at Washington direct or through others.
I hope that such a course will be adopted in relation to him as to settle the matter
Respectfully,
J. H. Garand
See my Nov 1 st 1858
Mr. Jas H. Garand is a gentleman of excellent character; of Mr. Smith I have little knowledge, except that I think I often recd letters from an American business, when I was in the H. of Reps. The

Letters are respectfully submitted To the Review Office John C. Bruckner
Abaj's Bone & Kennebec

Mary Simpkins, formerly widow of Jno Williams Kentucky
Act of July 7. 1838 and subsequent acts.
Admitted Col N. C. Sim 9th Regt - 13 mos 6 das from Sept 1837 - Mar 4. 36 at $ 262.60 per annum $330 per annum
Agent J. J. Coombs Present

Brief in the case of Mary Sunypkins, formerly widow of John Williams. Rockcastle County and State of Kentucky act July 7. 1838 & subsequent acts
Claim, ("original," or "for increase," )
Proof exhibited, (if original.)
Is it documentary, traditionary, or supported by rolls? If either, state the substance.
Service - Documentary - Rolls - Parol & Historical. Marriage - Record Widowhood - Parol Identity - Parol sustained by History &c
(If for increase.)
Has additional evidence been filed since the admission of the claim? If so, what?
Name and residence of Agent
J. J. Coombs Present
J. G. Dodge Examining Clerk.

State of Kentucky County of Montgomery ss
On this the 8 th day of June 1853 personally appeared before me J. S. Stephens Esq. for the County and State above mentioned Daphne Walker aged about 90 years who being first duly sworn as the law directs declares on her oath that some 55 or 60 years since she resided in Madison County Kentucky and was well acquainted with Col John Williams and his wife Mary. that said Williams was a distant connection of hers that she saw said Col John Williams some two or three times during the Revolutionary war acting as Colonel and called such by his men under him and was reputed as being a good officer and true to the United States that that said Williams was married to his wife Mary in Lincoln County Kentucky she thinks near Sept y years since to one Mary Rutherford and that said Williams died in a few years after he moved to Madison County Ky and had one child by his wife which she understood died when he was some 12 or 15 years old and that said Mary afterwards remarried one John P. Lumpkins who has also died that said Mary was living with one of her children the last she heard of her in Rockcastle County Kentucky some few years since that said Mary raised a large family of children by her last husband John P. Lumpkins and she understands is now applying for a pension for the Revolutionary services rendered by her first husband Col John Williams deceased which she knows is justly due said Mary Lumpkins former wife of Col John Williams the State she is no way interested in said pension. This 8 th day of June 1853 Daphne Walker

State of Kentucky County of Montgomery
I John J Stephens a Justice of the peace for the County and State above mentioned do certify that Cyse Walker personally appeared before me and made oath to the foregoing statements understandingly and subscribed her name by making her mark in my presence. I further certify she is a lady of truth and respectability and I have no doubt of the truth of her foregoing statements and that I have no interest in said claim nor agent for same this 8 th day June 1853 J. J. Stephens
State of Kentucky County of Montgomery
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The County Court of the County of Montgomery and State of Kentucky do certify that J. J. Stephens Esq. whose name appears to the above certificate is and was at the time of signing his name an acting Justice of the peace for the County and State above mentioned duly commissioned and sworn as the law directs. I further certify the signature purporting to be his is genuine. And that I am not interested in said pension. Spoken of by Cyse Walker nor acting as agent for same in testimony whereof I herewith subscribe my name as Clerk of the County Court of Montgomery County and State above mentioned and affix the seal of said office.
State of Kentucky
Montgomery County Set
I Andrew J. Stevens, Clerk of said Court do certify that John J. Stephens Esq. whose name appears offi- cially to the foregoing certificate is now, and was at the time of signing the same a Justice of the Peace in
more

and for said county duly elected and sworn and that the foregoing signature purporting to be his is genuine.
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the Montgomery County Court at office in Mt Sterling this 5 th day of July 1853
W. J. Sturm clk

Rel to Agency in certain Revy & Enr's pen's of which Jno M Smith
Elizabeth Lambert - for wid of Edward Williams - Ky. 10. 2. 1848
Mary Lambert - for wid of John Williams - Ky. 10. 2. 1848
W. Dugay - for wid of John
left Anne Lambert - for wid of
Which I should find
out in some way
who & where E. Smith
is, or that one might
know a person who
might properly or
not at all be
doing so what right
to have to make them
the Revy money
to pay for the
cost of the
so special
At C
Mr C
Geo H Whiting
Heirs of Pension Martha Ann

MRS. GEORGE WILDER ROGERS 201 JENSEN APARTMENTS GREAT FALLS, MONTANA
April 5-1926.
Commissioner of Pensions Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir: —
Will you please give me the war record of Colonel Richard Simpson either from Lexington Tenn or Richmond Kentucky. He lived at both places, but just where he was enlisted from I am not sure, would like name of wife & date of

of marriage if you have same. Did he draw a pension?
Also the record of Colonel John Williams, in the 9th. North Carolina Regiment with name of wife and children with dates, also if he drew a pension.
Respt. Yours Malena M. Rogers
(Mrs G.W.)

Free
Mary Lumpkin widow of
Markin
West 3000 King

U. S. Bureau of the Census, 9/18/10
W. L. Lusk has permission
Sir: Shortly after a letter was not returned
Smith of Ky (the same it here) says he - knows of a disinfectant a physical agent, if he was to be stung. The person was grateful to him as the wife of Col. J. O. Williams I lately to her son Paul a Red Cross Service to procure the information, but I fear my letter did not reach before a judgment. I wish to see it in a kind of manner. Yrs
C. Smith

1926 - June 22 - Hist - 15 Mrs. H. H. Rogers MMH
Rev WIDOW, &c.
File No. _____
947
Mary Lumpkin for; Wid. of John Williams Col. Rev. War
Act: Feb. 27/48
Index: Vol. A , Page 446
[Arrangement of 1870.]