Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 11426, John White, N.C.

SERVICE
NUMBER
N.6.
White, John
R. 11426
CONTENTS

State of Tennessee Hardin County
Be it known, that on this the 17 th day of October 1851, personally appeared before the subscriber, a justice of the Peace in and for said County, Levi Shelby, a resident of said County & State, aged fifty six years (with whom I am well acquainted, and who, I certify is a man of veracity and respectability) and made the following Declaration in order to obtain for the surviving children of John White dec d the Pension which was due him under Act of Congress of June 7 th 1832,
That he, the said Levi Shelby is, the Administrator of John White dec d who was a Revolutionary Soldier from the State of North Carolina, as Declarant always understood both from the said John White and from others, That he has often heard the said John White say that he served in the troops of the State of North Carolina under the command of a Captain Levin, but does not know how long he served, although he believes it was for a considerable length of time, nor does he know, from what County in North Carolina the said John White went into the service, but thinks it was from Mecklenburg County. Declarant recollects having heard the said John White, tell of a skirmish in which he, and others were engaged but does not now remember where it occurred, that he does not recollect the name of any battle in which the said John White was engaged, That at an early day the said John White removed from the State of North Carolina to Georgia and from Georgia to the State of Tennessee, and finally settled in Hardin County, Tennessee, to wit about the year 1818, where he continued to live until the day of his death, which took place

on the 2 o day of January 1841, that as he always understood from the deceased, he married Rebecca Galtney in Mecklenburg County North Carolina, which must have taken place about the year Seventeen Hundred and eighty five (say 1785) as his oldest child Samuel White is now about sixty five years of age, that he and the said Rebecca lived together as man and wife and were so reputed up to the day of her death, which took place in the year 1830 1831, in Hardin County Tennessee, that after her death, he did not again marry but remained single up to the day of his death, that he left the following and only surviving children to wit, Samuel White, and Andrew White (who reside in Henderson County Tennessee) James White (who resides in Giles County Tennessee) Benjamin White, (who lives in the State of Texas) George White, (who lives in the State of Missouri) Polly Osterby (formerly Polly White) who resides in Smith County Tennessee, and Rebecca Shelby (formerly Rebecca White) and Margaret Shelby (formerly Margaret White) both of whom now reside in Hardin County Tennessee, Declarant further makes oath that the said John White was always reputed and generally believed to have been a Revolutionary Soldier from the State of North Carolina, that he knew him well, from the year 1818 or 1819 to the day of his death, and that he has often heard him say that he would never apply for a Pension, as he had always been able to live without it, but that he was entitled to one, as he could prove by his Captain's Discharge.
Levi Shelby
Sworn to & subscribed before me the day & year above written
J. S. Church, J.P.

Know all men by these presents, That I, Levi Shelby of Hardin County, Tennessee, Administrator of John White dec'd do hereby constitute and appoint Smith & Jones of Nashville Tennessee my true & lawful Attorneys for and in my name as Administrator to present & prosecute the claims of the heirs of John White dec'd to a Pension due them or the children of the said John White on account of his Revolutionary services, Witness my hand and Seal this 17 th day of October 1851.
Levi Shelby
Att: J. P. Church B. F. Shelby
acknowledged before me this 17 th day of October 1851.
R. S. Church JP
State of Tennessee Hardin County.
Personally appeared this 17 th October 1851, before me a Justice of the Peace in & for said County, Jonathan M Church aged seventy nine years, a resident of Hardin County with whom I am well & intimately acquainted, and who, I certify, is a man of truth and probity, & made oath in due form of law that he was well acquainted with John White dec'd late of Hardin County Tennessee for about nineteen years, that he has often heard him say that he was a Revolutionary soldier from the State of North Carolina, and served that he was always regarded as a Revolutionary soldier and as a man of veracity that he has often heard him say, that he served under a Captain Swindon, that he has repeatedly heard him speak of a skirmish with the Tories in which he overtook, and mortally wounded a Tory by the name of Dowdy, that he has heard him say that he married in Mecklenburg County State of North Carolina, that the said John White died in December 1841, (as he remembers) in Hardin County Tennessee, and at the time of his death, was a single man, his wife having died many years before
known to subscribe before me this 17 th day of October 1851
J. M. Church
Seal

State of Tennessee Hardin County
I, M. H. Blackburn Clerk of the County Court of Hardin County, do hereby certify that Robert S. Church, Esq., before whom the foregoing Declaration, acknowledgment, and affidavit were made is and was at the time of signing the same an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County & State, and that the signatures thereto purporting to be his are genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal of office this 18 th day of October 1881.
M. H. Blackburn Clerk by R. A. Street Jr. C

No 38.302
John White ad
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State of Tennessee Hardin County
It is hereby certified that satisfactory proof has been exhibited before me W. H. Kluckmorth, Clerk of the County Court of Hardin County in the State of Tennessee, to prove I did prove to my satisfaction that John White, late of said County, was a Revolutionary soldier from the State of North Carolina, that he was a man of good character and standing in said County, that he died in said Hardin County Tennessee, on the 2 d day of January 1841, leaving the following named, and only surviving children and heirs at law, to wit; Samuel White, Andrew White, James White, Benjamin White, George White, Polly Oglesby, formerly Polly White, Rebecca Shelby, formerly Rebecca White, and Margaret Shelby formerly Margaret White. It is hereby further certified that Levi Shelby is the Administrator of the said John White dec d duly qualified as such according to law.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed my seal of office at Savannah this 18 day of October 1851.
W. H. Kluckmorth C.M. by R. A. Street R.C.

M.E.E.
Copied from letter by A.W. dated March 25, 1918
August 9, 1928
John White R. 11426
Mrs. C. D. Rogers Mexico Missouri
Madam:
I advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, R. 11426, it appears that Levi Shelby of Hardin County, Tennessee, applied for pension on October 17, 1831, as the administrator of John White, and alleged that John White enlisted, probably, from Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, and served a considerable time under a Captain Gwinn, in the North Carolina Troops, and was in a skirmish during said service.
He also stated that John White Married about 1785 in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, Rebecca Cathey, who died in Hardin County, Tennessee, about 1830 or 1831. And that at an early day John White moved from North Carolina to Georgia and thence to Tennessee and settled, about 1818, in Hardin County, Tennessee, where he resided until his death on January 2, 1841.
He was survived by the following children, - Samuel and Andrew residents of Henderson County, Tennessee; James, of Giles County, Tennessee; Benjamin, of Texas; George of Missouri; Mrs. Polly Oglesby of Smith County, Tennessee; and Mrs. Rebecca Shelby, and

Rev.
Mrs. Margaret Shelby of Hardin County, Tennessee.
The names of his parents are not stated.
The claim was not allowed for lack of proof of military service as required by the pension laws.
This is the history of the only soldier by the name of John White of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, found on the Revolutionary War records of this Bureau, and said records fail to afford any information in regard to Archibald White as described by you.
Respectfully,
WINFIELD SCOTT Commissioner.

No 38.302
John White decd. Tenn
Act 7 th June '32
Smith & Jones. Feb 21-1852.
James, C. Green Nov 11/1853
112126

11426
P. O. John White
Service: _____
Enlisted: Tenn. _____, 18
Discharged: _____, 18
Application filed: _____, 18
Alleges: This claim was filed to late to be entered on _____
Re-enlisted: the 1852 printed list of rejected claims _____
Attorney: _____
P. O. _____
_____ Recognized. _____ Contra
_____ Cert. of Dis. Searched for _____, 18
1918 Mar 25: Visit to Hon. Geo. H. Wharton, and 1928 - Aug 9, Visit to Mrs. E. D. Rogers - M.E.E.
REJECTED

James C. Green Nov 11/53

Pension Office Nov 11 1853
Sir
The case of John White Dec d of Tennessee can not be admitted upon proof made that he had the reputation of having served in the war of the Revolution, His service must be shown by the testimony of those who knew that he served and who can show how long his service lasted.
James C. Green Esq Savannah Wareham Co Tenn

Purs a ffrin July 21. 1832
Gentlemen;
No evidence whatever accompanies the claim in the case of John White and George Ray on a premium on the Ten- nipee roll, but John White was not one of his wit nipes.
Messrs Smith & Jones Nashville Tenn.

Rev. War Section.
March 25, 1918.
Hon. Edward Keating, House of Representatives.
My dear Mr. Keating:
In reply to your letter of the twentieth instant and the enclosed letter of Dr. Crum Epler of Pueblo, Col. I have the honor to advise you, that this bureau is unable to furnish the history of a soldier of the Revolution, unless a claim for pension or bounty land has been made on account of his services and a careful search of the records fails to show such a claim on file on account of any soldier named William Gooch or Joseph Anthony, under any spelling of those names.
see negative slips
From the papers in the rejected Revolutionary War pension claim, R. File 11,426, it appears that Levi Shelby of Hardin Co. Tennessee, applied for pension on October 17, 1851, as the administrator of John White and alleged that John White enlisted, probably, from Mecklenburg Co. North Carolina and served a considerable time, under a Capt. Gwinn in the North Carolina Troops, War of the Revolution and was in a skirmish during said service.
He also stated that John White married about 1785 in Mecklenburg Co. N. C., Rebecca Cathey, who died in Hardin Co. Tenn., about 1830 or 1831. And that at an early day John White moved

from North Carolina to Georgia and thence to Tennessee and settled about 1818 in Hardin Co. Tenn., where he resided until his death on January 3, 1841, leaving the following children; Samuel and Andrew residents of Henderson Co. Tenn., James of Giles Co. Tenn., Benjamin of Texas, George of Missouri, Mrs Polly Oglesby of Smith Co. Tenn., and Mrs. Rebecca Shelby and Mrs Margaret Shelby of Hardin Co. Tenn. The names of his parents are not stated.
The claim was not allowed for lack of proof of military service as required by the pension laws.
Very truly yours,
Acting Commissioner.

Mexico, Mo. October 15, 1927
Bureau of Pensions, Washington, D. C. Gentlemen:
In D.A.R. magazine for July 1927, p. 551 in Mecklenburg Militia is found the names of John White and Archibald White , revolutionary soldiers.
ms Will you please send me any records of service you may have for these men.
Very respectfully,
Mrs. C. L. Rodgers

SIXTY-FIFTH CONGRESS.
EDWARD KEATING, COLO., CHAIRMAN. GEORGE HUDDLESTON, ALA. WALTER KEHOE, FLA. HARRY H. PRATT, N. Y. VICTOR HEINTZ, OHIO. GEORGE S. FRANCIS, N. Y. JOHN D. O'NEAL, CLERK.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES U. S.
COMMITTEE ON EXPENDITURES IN THE POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT WASHINGTON, D. C.
March 20, 1918.
Hon. E. C. Tieman, Assistant Commissioner of Pensions, Washington, D. C.
My dear Mr. Tieman:
I am attaching a letter from Dr. Crum Epler, of Pueblo, Colorado, one of my very good friends. The Doc- tor is interested in the Revolutionary War record of three men, whose names he gives. Will you be good enough to have your records examined and furnish me with whatever may be available?
Sincerely,
Edward Keating
Dr. Crum Epler Pueblo, Colo.
received in REV. WAR SECTION MAR 25 1918 PENSION BUREAU aud.

Savannah
Hardin County Tennessee
Dr Sir
I have been employed by the administrator of John White a Private in the Revolutionary War with Great Britain to obtain the Pension from the Government belonging to said White and Ludging from your former willingness to do anything you can to promote the interest of the Soldiers of the Revolution I have presumed to ask of you what amount of Proof will be necessary to obtain the Pension. John White was a soldier of the North Carolina Line and was through the whole war and I think the old Mans Children has told me he served under a Captain by the name of Guinn. It can be proved by the oldest Men in this County that they have heard a Pensioner of this County by the name of George Rops and the old man White often talk together and relate over their trials in the Revolution together. Some one has told me that John White was a witness for George Rops when he obtained his pension you will please look to this among the papers on file in your office and if it is so the Identity of its being the same John White can be proved beyond a doubt. We can prove the services of John White by reputation by nearly every old man in this County.

and if George Rob had have lived till now his services could been proved by an eye witness, It appear to me that the department will be satisfied with the proof by reputation as I have been informed his name is upon the rolls in your office
Please send me the amount of proof you require together with the forms & necessary instructions about the matter, The old mans family are in very poor circumstances and the reason why the old man never applied for his pension was owing to his idea that a patriot soldier never should fight for money but the old man having died sometime in the year 1840 and leaving no widow his heirs are all poor and the money belonging to their father would do them much good at this time
Please write me soon and give me instructions how to proceed
Oct 29 th 1853
Yours Truly
Hon
J Wilson
James C Green
Commissioner of Pensions
P.S I will write after the reception of your instructions to some of our Members of Congress from this state to assist me in getting up the claim
your
James C Green

State of Tennessee Hardin County
On this 17 th day of October 1857, personally appeared before me, a Justice of the Peace in the said County, Eli Cherry, a resident of Hardin County Tennessee, aged fifty two years, with whom I have been well acquainted for about twenty six years, and who I certify, is in all respects reputable and truthful, and made oath in due form of law that he was well acquainted with John White deceased, late of said County State from the year 1818, to the day of his death which took place as he thinks, in the year 1841, that he has often heard him say that he served as a soldier from the State of North Carolina, in the Revolutionary War, that he served for several years, but whether it was continuously or not, affiant does not now recollect, that the said John White was a man of truth, and good repute, and was generally believed to have been a Revolutionary soldier, that affiant accompanied the said John White on one occasion to Savannah in said Hardin County Tennessee, and was then informed by White, that he was going to give in his evidence in support of George Ross' claim to a Revolutionary Pension, which Pension, affiant has always understood was allowed to the said George Ross, that affiant has heard the aforesaid George Ross, say that he was in the service with John White and that he could prove his service for him, that he has heard John White say that he did not want any Pension, and that he expected to be rewarded for his services in another world, that he was regarded universally as a pious and truthful man, and that affiant himself always believed that the said John White was

a Revolutionary Soldier, that at the time of his death the said John White was a single man, his wife having died some ten or eleven years before he did - known to me subscribed before me this 17 th Day of October 1881
Eliz Henry Seal
R. S. Church Seal
State of Tennessee Hardin County
I, W. H. Blackburn, Clerk of the County Court of Hardin County Tennessee, do hereby certify that Robert S. Church Esq before whom the foregoing affidavit was made, is and was at the time of signing the same, an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County and State duly commissioned and qualified as such according to law, and that the foregoing signature purporting to be his is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereto set my hand and seal of office this 18 th Day of October 1881.
W. H. Blackburn Clerk by H. A. Street Clk