Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 25,454, Richard Crum, Continental

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Continental

Crum, Richard
Mary

W. 23454
B.L.Wt 289-60-55

Pennsylvania, Agency and residence (wid)
New Jersey, residence in 1829 (soldier)

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to R [?] Wi[smeared] [probably Widow], Oct. 23rd
Feby 1, R.B.B. Crum to State what is intended to be made of the [?]mation [illegible]
Feby 16 RBB Crum that Prior it
to be proper to furnish him information 
have a claim against the government
April 19 G.W. [illegible] of Holland Society
[illegible] not of H[?]traw[?] NY nor
his regt or any part of I believed to have
[been?] in the afault on Stony Point
May 8. G.W. Van Siclen  Prior
ing to furnish the information that
he has requested   Prior

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383.3
[paper torn] ylvania, Phila
widow Mary Crum 
Recle[?]w
who served in the Revolutionary
war, as a Ma[?]rop

Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 100 Dollars 00
Cents per annum, to commence on 
the 3rd February, 2853.

Certificate of Pension issued the
11th day of March [?]24
and sent to 
J.H.G. Mc Cutchen
Present

Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act 
of February 3, 1853, Page 103, Vol. A

Original

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Stamp [The National Archives of the United States]

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1688
State of New Jersey
Monmouth County
"An act for the relief of certain
Surviving Officers and Soldiers
of the Army of the Revolution," approved on the 15th May 1828. I, Richard Crum of the Township of Shewsbury in the County of Monmouth in the State of New Jersey do hereby declare that I enlisted in the Contiental Line of the Army of the Revolution for and during the war and continued in the service until its termination - at which period I was a private in Captain John Dougly's Company in the 2nd Regiment of New Yorks Artillery Commanded by Col. John Lamb in the line of the State of New York - And I also declare that I afterwards received a Certificate for the reward of 80 dollars to which I was entitled under a resolve of Congref pafed thje 15th May 1778.-
Declarant remembers well that he received a certificate for pay or reward at the time of his discharge and which he believes was for the reward as above stated
Sworn before me
23rd June 1829
W.J. Bowne Justice   [signed]Richard Crum

Before me John Willams a Justice of the Peace duly impowered to administer oaths in the County of Monmouth in the State of New Jersey personally appeared this day Alexander McGregor and Joseph West of the said County, who did severally make oath that Richard Crum by

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whom the foregoing declaration was subscribed in generally reported and believed to have been a private Soldier in the Army of the Revolution in the Manner as stated in his declaration hereto announced

Witnef my hand this Twenty fourth day of June Eighteen Hundred and twenty nine =

[signed] John Williams Justice of the Peace

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Treasury Department,
4 August 1829.
[signed] Richard Crum of [signed] Shrewsbury township in the county of [signed] Monmouth in the State of [signed] New Jersey has applied to the Secretary of the Treasurer for the benefits of the act, entitled "An act for the relief of certain surviving officers and soldiers of the Revolution," approved the 15th of May, 1828. He states that he enlisted in the Continental line of the army of the Revolution, for and during the war, and continued until its termination, at which period he was a Private in captain Doughty's company, in Col. Lambs regiment of the New York line; and that he received a certificate for the reward of eighty dollars, provided by the resolve of the 15th of May, 1778; and further, that he was not on the 15th day of May, 1828, on the pension list of the United States, and that he has received as a pensioner since the 3d of March, 1826, nothing.

The Third Auditor is requested to report how far the several statements are corroborated by the records in his office.

By Order of the Secretary
[signed] F A Dickens

TREASURY DEPARTMENT, 
Third Auditor's Office,
5 August 1829

It appears by the records of this office, that a certificate for the reward of eighty dollars has been issued to [signed] Richard Crum in Col. Lambs' Artillery
It further appears that [signed] Richard Crum - - - is [inserted] not now on the pension list of any agency, and has been so since the 3rd March 1826

[signed] illegible Hagmer Ano

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This is to Certify that I Marryed on the 26th day of July One Thousand Eight hundred and thirty one

Richard Crum took to wife Mary Brooks both of the township of Shrewsbury County of Monmouth of State of New Jersey

John Chamberlain [ileligble]
the Justice of the Peace
in the County of Monmouth

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No 5150
Pennsylvania
Mary Crum of Elk Co
widow of Richard -
Matrof -

Act 3, February 1853

Admitted 100 per annum Commencing 3 February 1853.

J.H.G. Mc Cutchen
Present

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State of Pennsylvania
County of Elk

Personally appeared before me one of the judges of the County Court of the County of Elk Mary Crum who being by me duly sworn according to Law Declares that she is now a resident of Elk County State of Pennsylvania but formerly of Shrewsbury township County of Monmouth State of New Jersey. That she is the widow of Richard Crum who was a Matross in the Revolution and who received a pension under the Act of 15 May 1828 of one hundred dollars per annum that she was married to the said Richard Crum by John Chamberlain a Justice of the Peace on the 26th day of July 19, 1831 in the County of Monmouth State of New Jersey as will more fully appear by the original certificate of marriage herewith presented. That her said husband died on the 19th September AD1847 and that she has since remained and is now his widow. That she is about 64 years of age, that she hereby applies for the benefit of the Act 3rd July 1853 and appoints JHG Mc Cutchen attorney to prove her claim and that she is not able to attend court.

Sworn on this 10th day of Feb AD 1854 and I certifyt that Mrs Mary Crum is not able to attend the County Court which is about 44 miles distant from her residence and that I have no interest in the above claim
[signed] W. P. Wilcox
Associate Judge of Said Co of Elk

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State of Pennsylvania
County of Elk

Personally came before me Henry Shafer and Jane Shafer residents of the County Elk persons whom I certify to be respectable and who being duly sworn declare that Mary Crum who is now present and who has who has [illegible] the annexed declaration in their presence personally well known to them that they have Known her and Richard Crum her husband to live together as man and wife for many years and that they were so respected and Known until the month of September AD 1847 when the said Richard Crum died and that since the said Mary Crum has remained and is now the widow of the said Richard who they belive was a soldier in the Revolution and who they know drew a pension up to the time of his death and they they believe they were married at the time stated in the fore going affidavit and that she is the identical person she represents herself to be she being Known as such in her neighborhood as a person of good moral character.

[signed] Henry Shaffer
Jane Shaffer

Sworn to and subscribed before me this 10th day of AD 1854 And I certify that it satisfactorily appeared to be me that the facts set forth in the foregoing declaration and here as therein stated.

W.P. Wilcox
Associate Judge of Said County of Elk

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State of Pennsylvania Elk County

[Seal]

I Charles Horton [illegible] of the Court of Common Pleas
Please in and for the County of Elk in the Sate of Pennsylvania Do Certify that William P. Wilcox before whom the foregoing oaths were taken, and who has Subscribed his name to the certificates of proof thereof is one of the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas for the said County of Elk and duly and legally authorized to administer oaths & affirmations and that he was such Judge at the time of taking said proof & subscribing his name thereafter.
I further certify that I am well acquainted with the handwriting of Said Judge and that I believe the Signature to the Said certificates to be genuine-

In testimony Whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Affixed the Seal of Our Said Court at Ridgway the Eleventh day of February A.D. 1854
[signed] Charles Horton
Pro? Notary

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232.606 [illegible]
Jany 24, 1856

Mary Crum, widow of Richard Crum dec.

Revolutionary War

Penn. {illegible] 53 3833
[illegible] Aug 5756
[illegible signature]

John H. Mc Cutchen
Present

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READ THESE INSTRUCTIONS ATTENTIVELY.

The paper must be filled up and signed and sworn to by the widow before a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace.
State in what war the husband served; whether in the war of 1812 with Great Britain, or in either of the Indian wars, describing the same.
If the widow has her husband's certificate of discharge, it must be sent to me. In that case strike out the words "she has not his discharge certificate.
If there be a public record of marriage, a duly certified copy of it should be forwarded, if possible. If there be no public, but a private or family record, such family record or a certified copy of the same should be forwarded, with the affidavit of some disinterested persons proving the genuineness of the original and correctness of the copy. In that case strike out the words "there is no public or private record of the marriage." If there be no record, let the words remain.
The name of the Captain is indispensable. If the widow has received land, proof of her marriage will be not be required, but proof of her identity, and that she is now a widow, will be required, as in the soldier's claim.

WIDOWS' BOUNTY LAND CLAIM
State of Pennsylvania
County of Elk[struck through] replaced with Clinton County.
On this 16th day of [illegible] A.D, one thousand eight hundred and fifty six personally appeared before me Isaiah Ramage[?]
Justice of the Peace in the County and State [illegible]aged Sixty Six years, a resident of the County of Elk in the State of Pennsylvania [illegible] that she is the widow of Richard Crum deceased, who was a Soldier as stated by him in his papers, war of the Revolution.

That her said husband entered the service as above stated and continued in actual service in said was and was honorable discharged as will appear by the muster rolls of said company and his papers and that she has not his discharge certificate. She further states that she was married to the said Richard Crum in the county of Monmouth State of New Jersey on the 26th day of July A.D. 1831. The ceremony was performed by John Chamberlin a J.P. and that her name before her marriage was Mary Brook[?] and that there is a record of her marriage that her said husband died in Shrewsbury township State of New Jersey on the 19th day of Septemb A.D. 1847 and that she is still a widow. She has never applied for, or received land under any act of Congress. She has not married since the death of her said husband.
She makes this declaration for the purpose of obtaining the bounty land to which she may be entitled under the act approved the 3d day of March 1853. She also declares that she has never applied for nor received under this or any other act of Congress, any bounty land warrant [illegible] she applies for pension act 3r July 53. 2nd section and furnished to her attorney John H. Mc Cutchen the proof to support her claim and she now appoints him her attorney to prove her claim for land.

Signature of claimant Mary Crum

*State her if such is the fact "that she has obtained a land warrant for the above service for under the Act 28th September, 1850, which she has sold" located, or herewith surrendered.

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Procure two respectable persons who can swear to the following:

AFFIDAVIT OF WITNESSES.

State of Pennsylvania
County of Clinton

On this Sixteenth day of January A.D., one thousand eight hundred and fifty six personally appeared before me, a Justice of the Peace within and for the State and county aforesaid, the two persons whose names are hereunto subscribed, residents of the County of Clinton and State of Pennsylvania who being duly sworn according to law, declare that the foregoing declaration was signed and acknowledged in our presence by Mary Crum who is the widow of Richard Crum and who was a soldier in the war of the Revolution.
The said widow was married to the said Richard Crum deceased, at Monmouth County in the State of New Jersey by John Chamberlin J.P. on the 26th of July A.D. 1831.
That the name of the said widow before her marriage aforesaid was Mary Brooks; that her husband, the said Richard Crum in Shrewsbury, Monmouth County on the [?] day September A.D. 1847 and that she is still a widow. That they of their own personal knowledge know that the soldier died at or about the time stated; that they were well acquainted with the parties during the lifetime of the husband, and knew them to live together as husband and wife, and to be so reputed & known [illegible] swear they are disinterested witnesses.

Signatures of witnesses: James Shaffer
Joseph Shaffer

The foregoing declaration and affidavit were sworn to and subscribed before me on the day and year above written and I certify that I know the [?] to be [illegible] ...is the person she represents herself to be, and that I have no interest in this claim.

Isaac Ramage J.P.
Associate for the Justice of the Peace has signed the [illegible] must be sent to the County Clerk, who will fill up and sign the declaration under the seal of the Court.

State of Pennsylvania
County of Clinton

[next section illegible because of heavy ink bleeding through the paper]... of the Peace in and fore the County and State aforesaid, duly commissioned and sworn; that all his official acts as such are entitled to full faith and credit; and that the aforesaid County Court is a Court of Record, having general jurisdiction. I also certify that I am not interested in this claim, or concerned in the result thereof.
Given under my hand Seal of Office, at Lock Haven, this nineteenth day of January A.D. 1856.
Robert Irwin
Clerk

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Sinnemahoning Pa Jany 24-1886

Commissioner of Pensions
Washington D.C.

Dear Sir

I appeal to you in good faith, and may your Honor Please be kind Enough to Send me from the Docket of Revolutionary Pension Claims the Co. and No. of Reg. Richard Crum belonged to he was in the York State line (but I have forgotten the Co. and No. of Reg. he belonged to) he drew a Pension I think the No. of his Certificate was 919 his widow Mary Crum Drew a Pension after his decease her certificate is Recorded in the Pension office on the Roll of Pensioners under act February 3d 1853 Page 103 Vol A.
Name of Clerk H.R. Weightman
the reason why I wish to know the above is, I am a Son of the above named Richard and Mary Crum, and desire to ascertain the Co. and

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Reg. my father Richard Crum belonged to in the York State line his certificate Stated he was a Matross [?] of the York State line.
Now Dear Sir this is not for curiosity but Real Proof that I need this information for. Please give full Particulars as to his Co. Reg. & location, also Gen. and Capt names, he Richard Crum my father, applyed for and drew his Pension at Long Branch N.Y[?], after his decease Mother Mary Crum moved to this Co. ,PA,

Yours with due Respect
R.B.B. Crum
Address Sinnemahoning
Cameron Co.
Penna

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[letter is typewritten]

June 17, 1938
XXXXXXXXXXXX

Richard Crum, W.25454
BA-J/MCS

Mrs. Harry B. Sherman
345 Broad Street
Red Bank, New Jersey

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to your request for information relative to Richard Crum who served in the Revolutionary War.

The data which follow were obtained from papers on file in the pension claim, W.25454, based on the military service of the only soldier named Richard Crum that is found in the Revolutionary War records of this office.

The date and place of his birth and the names of his parents were not given.

Richard Crum enlisted, date and place not given, and served until the close of the Revolution, as a matross, with the rank of private, in Captain John Doughty's company in Colonel John Lamb's Continental Artillery Regiment.

He was allowed pension on his application executed June 23, 1829, at which time he was a resident of Shrewsbury Township, Monmouth County, New Jersey; his age was not given.

Richard Crum died September 19, 1847, in Shrewsbury, New Jersey.

He married in Monmouth County, New Jersey, July 26, 1831, Miss Mary Brooks and both were residents of Shrewsbury Township. He was then referred to as Richard Crum, Senior.

As the widow of Richard Crum, Mary Crum was allowed pension on her application executed February 10, 1854, at which time she was about sixty-four years of age and was a resident of Elk County, Pennsylvania.

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R.B.B. Crum, a son of Richar Crum, was living in Sinnamahoning, Cameron County, Pennsylvania, in 1886. There are no further data relative to family.

Very truly yours

A.D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator

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1894 Nov 27 Letter to Dr. Jacob Nine, Wash, DC declining to furnish Hish[?] see copy in case.
1907 Nov. 12 Hist. to R.B.B. Crum
________________________________________________
1927 May 10 hist[?] to Mrs. Delia C. Brown
________________________________________________
1938 June 17 hist. to Mrs. Harry B.  Sherman

[opposite side of folio]
WIDOW, &c.
File No. 25454
Mary Crum
Widow
Richard Crum
Matross Rev. War
Act Feb. [?] 1853
Index: Vol A, Page 157
(Arrangement of 1870)

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Revolutionary Claims No. 919

Under the Act entitled "An Act for the relief of certain surviving officers and soldiers of the Army of the Revolution" approved 15 May, 1828.

I certify that Richard Crum of Shrewsbury Township in the County of Monmouth in the State of New Jersey is entitled to receive pay under the above mentioned Act as a serving Matross in the New York Line of the Army of the Revolution at the rate of Eight dollars and [?] on the [?] day of March and third day of September, in each year.

It is provided by law that the said pay shall not in any way be transferrable or [?] to attachment levy or service by any legal process whatever.

Given under my hand and the Seal of the Treasury of the United States this Seventeenth day of August in the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine and the Independence the fifty fourth-

S.D. Ingham
Secretary of the Treasury

Freeholds

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[written perpendicular to paper]

Richard Crum Act. 1928 $100 per annum Paid to 4 Sept 1847. No death.
F. Burt
Auditor

[written parallel to paper]

Pen Off.
March [?]

Sir  [faintly printed number 4047]

Richard Crum, pensioner Act 15 May 1828
New Jersey, $100 pr ann.  Please certify when he died or to what time paid.

Respl
S P Waldo Commissioner

F Bart Esq
3d Aug

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Col. Lamb
Matross, N.Y. Arty
289

[illegible}

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Mary Crum
Widow of 
Richard Crum
(pensioner Act. 28)
No 998
Act Feby 3rd 1853
2nd Section
Boynton

J H G Mc Cutchen
Present
Recd Feby 3 18[?]4

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W J Bowne
for
Richard Crum
Recd 21 July 1829

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Freehold [?] 16 July 1829

Hon. Saml D Ingham

Secty of the Treasury W. [?]

Enclosed is the Declaration of 
Richard Crum a soldier of the Revolution.

This claim is under the Act of "15th" May 1828 and drawn up under the published forms of the Department of 28 May 1828,

Respectfully Yours
W. J. Bowne

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Pine Street Eld Co. Pa.
Oct 16th /55

[?] Sir

Please inform what the [?] cost or fee of obtaining Land Warrant

The case in question is that of Mary Crum widow of Richard Crum who is now receiving a pension of $100 per year and when Husband or herself have never received any lands.
What evidence will be required and on whom in your city, could we relay to present our Claim? [?] July, [?] an acting responsible ally in Washington City
Respectfully your
John Brooks

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Mary Crum
Act '53

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Brief in the case of Mary Crum, widow of Richard 
Elk County and State of New Jersey [struck through] Pennsylvania
act 3 February 1853

---------------------------------------------------
Claim, ('original,' or "for increase")

Proof exhibited, (if original.)

Is it documentary, traditionary, or supported by rolls? If either, state the substance.

Husband pensioned as a Matross at $100 per annum.
Marriage proved by original marriage certificate. Identity of parties & death of husband in 1854, by affidavit of Credible witnesses.

(if for increase.)
Has additional evidence been filed since the admission of the claim? If so, what?

Name and residence of Agent
J.H.G. Mc Cutchen
Present

[?] Mc Rae Examining Clerk.

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Sinnemahoning Pa Feb 8th 1886

Hon John C. Black
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington D.C.

Dear Sir
Yours of Feb 1st just to hand and contented noted in answer will Say I am a Son of Richard Crum the Soldier named in mine of January 24th and I am now old and compiled to walk on crutches from the loss of a leg, now the object of ascertaing the no. of Regiment & Co. my father belonged to is, Present it to congress... and I have no other but your Honor and Kindness to appeal to for the necessary Recource
I have been asked for it by Members of Congress now may hour honor
Please be so Kind as to Send it to me as Early as convenient-

Your With due Respt
RBB Crum,
Sinnemahoning, Cameron Co Pa

(over)

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I can Prove by good authority the identification of my Relationship to Richard Crum Soldier of Revolution War of the York State line (the [?] named in the letter of January 24th also in the foregoing letter) by some individuals yet living family Record- also county Records if necessary advise

Respectfully
R.B.B. Crum

[Seal]
US Pension Office 
FEB 10 1888

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Sinnemahoning Pa [?] 4th 1907
(Cameron Co)

Revolutionary War
Department of the Interior
Commissioner of Bureau of Pensions
(Widows [?])

Dear Sir    [written in pencil] W 25454
Will you kindly inform the application of Mary Crum widow of Richard Crum who was a Matross in the Revolutionary War

Her maiden name                           [
When she married
Age at time of Application
Her husbands Military History
When her husband died
and when she died

She was [?] a pension of one hundred dollars per year commencing 3rd day of February 1853.
Given at the Department of the Interior this Eleventh day of March one Hundred Eight Hundred and fifty Four

Signed by 
[??]
S F Waldo, Comm of Pensions

Signed by R McClellan
Secretary of the Interiod

Recorded in the Pension Office on Roll of Pensions under act February 3r 1853
Page 103 Vol A  
H.W. Weightman
Clerk

By so doing you will oblige
Very Respectfully Richard B. B. Crum

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266 Norwood Ave
West End, N.J.

Pension Dept.
Washington, D.C.

As I am desirous of joining the D.A.R. could you give me the Revolutionary war record of Richard Crum from Feb. 4th 1763 at Havenstraw, N.Y.
Have you any war record of Peter or Cornelius Duball?
also have you a record of Henry Latham Commander of the [?] "Delia" during the war of 1812?

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Hoping to receive an early reply I remin
Very truly yours
(Mrs.) Delia C. Brown
266 Norwood Ave.
West End.
N.J.

P.S. Have you any record of our Elizabeth Gardner (later married to R. Crum.) as being a nurse & wounded at the battle of Stoney Point during the Revolutionary War.

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Mrs. Harry B. Sherman
1342 Drexel Avenue
Miami Beach, Florida

Mary 2. 1938.

Veterans Administration -

Dear Sirs -

Would you please let me know what you have about the Revolutionary soldier Richard Crum his wife and children. 

Sincerely
Mrs. Harry B. Sherman

Mrs. Harry B. Sherman
345 Broad St. Red Bank N.J.

[Return add on envelope]

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May 10, 1927

Mrs. Delia C. Brown
266 Norwood Ave.
West End, N.J.

Madam:

I have to advise you that it appears from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim W. 2545, that RICHARD CRUM enlisted, date and place not stated, as a Matross in Captain John Doughty's Company in Colonel John Lamb's Continental Artillery Regiment and served until the close of the Revolution.

He was allowed pension on his application executed June 23, 1829, at which time he was a resident of Shrewsbury township, Monmouth County, New Jersey. Age not stated

The date and place of his birth are not given. He died September 19, 1847. at Shrewsbury, N.J.

He married in Monmouth County, New Jerseey, July 26, 1831, Miss Mary Brooks both of Shrewsbury township.  She was allowed pension on her application executed February 10, 1854, at which time she was about sixty-four years of age and was a resident of Elk County, Pennsylvania.

In 1886 R.B.B. Crum, a son of Richard Crum, was a resident of Sinnamahoning, Cameron County, Pennsylvania.

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This is the only soldier by the name of Richard Crum that is found on the Revolutionary War records of this Bureau.

Respectfully,

Winfield Scott
Commissioner

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Old War Div.
[illegible] Ex.r

Department of the Interior
Pension Office [letterhead]

US Pension Office May 7 1886 [date stamped]
Washington D.C.  April 19th

Sir, 

In reply to your enquiry of the 29th for information of Richard Crum or Krum, a Revolutionary Soldier, of Havenstraw, N.Y. and who was at the attach on Stony Point, I have to State that only one of the above name has been found on record as an applicant for a pension, but he cannot be identified as the one of your enquiry, for the reason he did not reside in the State of New York at the time he enlisted, nor after the war.

In his application, the pensioner does not state that he was in the midnight assault at Stony Point, and there are reasons for believing that even if he was in the Service at that time, the regiment to which he belonged, or any part of it, was not present on that occasion.

Very respectfully,
John C. Black
Commissioner

Mrs. George W Van Sicler
Secretary Holland Society
146 Broadway
New York City

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Old War Div.

Department of the Interior
Pension Office
Washington D.C. February 1

US Pension Office Feb 10 1888 [date stamped]

Return this letter with your reply.

Sir

In answer to your enquiry of the 24th for the number of the Regiment and Company of the New York troops in which Richard Crum served in the Revolutionary war, you are informed that it is necessary that you should State what use is intended to be made of the information and your relationship to the soldier.

Very respectfully
John C Black
Commissioner

Mr. R.B.B. Crum
Sinnemahoning
Cameron Co
Penn

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Department of the Interior
Bureau of Pensions,
Washington, D.C. [letterhead]
November 27, 1894

Sir:

Referring to the request of your correspondent, Mr. R. B. B. Crum, of Sinnemahoning, Pa., that you obtain for him the military history of one Richard Crum who rendered service during the Revolutionary war, you are Advised that after a careful examination of the papers it is believed that the information is desired for the purpose of basing a claim against the government. The Bureau must decline, therefore, to furnish the information requested as it would be contrary to the rules of this Department to do so under such circumstances.

Very respectfully,
Commissioner

Dr. Jacob Nine
General Delivery 
Washington D.C.

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THE HOLLAND SOCIETY OF NEW YORK. [letterhead]

President,
Judge Hooper C. Van Vorst
County Court House

Secretary and Treasurer, 
Mr. Geo. W. Van Siclen
No. 146 Broadway.

New York, May 1886

Hon. John C. Black
Commissioner Pensions
Washington D.C.

Dear Sir,

Inclosed [sic] find your favor of 19 Apr. 1/86, returned with this reply as requested.

Probably my 1st letter (March 29/86) was not definite enough, or contained something misleading.

There is a mistake somewhere.

The Richard Crum inquire about lived after the War at Shrewsbury & elsewhere, New Jersey.

His widow rec'd a pension; I am told her certificate is recorded in Pension Office on Roll of Pensioners page 103 Vol A.

I am told that his pension began in 1826, and that one of his family has a letter from Cashier W.S. Bank Washington D.C. March 26th 1831 showing that a draft was forwarded to him then on a/c pension. This may aid you in finding clue & sending me information asked in my first letter.

Respt
Geo. W. Van Siclen

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See correspondence by 
which RBB Crum wanted history for a claim against US

New Holland So. want it for Genealogical purposes

US Pension Office Mar 30 1886 [date stamped]

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THE HOLLAND SOCIETY OF NEW YORK.

President,
Judge Hooper C. Van Vorst,
County Court House

Secretary and Treasurer,
Mr. Geo. W. Van Siclen
No. 146 Broadway

New York, 29 March, 1886

Hon. John C. Black, 
U.S. Commissioner of Pensions, 
Washington, D.C.

Dear Sir:-

Will you kindly give me all information at your command in regard to Richard Crum (possibly Krum or Krumb) of Haverstraw, N.Y., who was a soldier in the Revolutionary War, probably a private, and who was with Gen. Wad at the attack on Stony Point.

This information is to be used for family history only.

Any reasonable amount of expense involved will be promptly paid.

You will greatly oblige,
Yours respectfully,
Geo. W. Van Siclen,
Secretary.

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[form with table of information regarding service]

sion on file in this Bureau. Richard Crum W. 28454

Dates of Enlistment or Appointment [blank]
Length of Service Independence
Rank Matross
Officers under whom service was rendered
Captain John Doughty
Colonel John Lamb
Staten Continental Artillery

Battles engaged in, [blank]
Residence of soldier at enlistment not stated
Date of application for pension, June 23, 1829. His claim allowed.
Residence at date of application, not stated-date Sept 19, 1847
Remarks: Soldier married in Monmouth at July 26, 1831 Mary Brooks. She was allowed pension on her application executed Febry 10, 1854 while a resident of Elk Co. Penn. at 64 years old.