Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 15,394, Thomas Crump, Va.

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(3-1776) 
SERVICE            NUMBER
Va.     Crump, Thomas        S.15.394
carded
CONTENTS

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26632.
 Kentucky 
Thomas Crump Dec 7
of Washington in the State of Kentucky
 who was a [illegible] in the com commanded 
by Captain Hockaday of the regt commanded
by Col. Marshall in the Virginan
line for 2 years 
[illegible]on the Roll of Kentucky
 at the rate of 100 Dollars - Cents per annum
 to commence on the 4th day of March, 1834. Certificate of Pension issued the 11 day of March
1834 and Given to [illegible] -16 [illegible] Present 
Arrears to the 4th of.
Sems-and. allowance ending
arrears to the 5 Jan of 1833 the 
time of his death 
}183.33
{Revolutionary Claim Act June 7, 1832.}
Recorded by Ian M. Boyd Clerk,
Book 8 Vol. 7 Page 4
see better letter to R. M. Johnson 
June 18. 1834

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State of Kentucky
Washington County

On this 24 day of February 1834 came in person Danal Crump in open court before the following justices who being a citizen of Washington County Kentucky and on his oath made the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed on June 7th, 1832.

This affiant states that he is the son of Thomas Crump who departed this life the 5th day of January 1833 that his father at his death was in the 75th year of his age as he believes that according to the best information that this affiant has from his father and others, he said Thomas Crump entered the war of the revolution in the year Seventeen hundred and seventy five or six as a regular soldier in the state cavalry commanded by Colonels Lee an Marshall and when enlisted first served in Hackerday’s company of said Regiment of Cavalry for and during the was as this affiant has frequently heard him state that he is informed & believes that said Thomas Crump was honorably discharged from the service but long previous to his death lost or mislaid his discharge. This his father never did in his life

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make application for a pension.  This applicant states that be has shown to the Court a certificate for the [illegible] given to said Thomas Crump in the year 1783 marked A and that he does not positively know it was given to his father for his services but from what he has heard him say about being in the Service of the Va. State line and believes it was that he knows of no witnesses now living by whom he can prove the Services of his father.  Nor has be any other testimony of a document of any chance by which to sustain the aforesaid claim.
   TC together with the elder child hereby relinquishes all claims whatsoever for a pension or annuity but the present and declares that Thomas Crump never was in his life time on the pension role of any agency in the United States.  Nor are there as his heirs or children.  Sworn to the day and year aforesaid and subscribed by Daniel Crump.  (Signature of Daniel Crump)
   And the said Court hereby certifies that Daniel Crump came before them and made oath to the foregoing declaration and produced as evidence to the Court a certificate signed by Jas E Heath dated 4th Dec 1833

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appears that Thomas Crump was a soldier in the regular service of the Va State Lines and on the 28th of March 1873 received $99 11 3 for depreciation pay as a soldier of artillery.  Which certificate is marked (A) and herewith attached.  It further appears to the satisfaction of the Court that Thomas Crump departed this life on the 5th of January 1833 and he bore the reputation in the neighbourhood where he resided before his death of having serviced as a solider in the state of Virginia and that Daniel Crump is one of his children and that the Court is further [illegible] upon the whole matter that the said Thomas Crump was a Revolutionary soldier and served in the Va state line as the affidavit states and that the parties interested could not produce any further evidence.
State of Kentucky
Washington Count
Sct.
William B Booker Clerk of the County Court in and for said County do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceeding in the matter of the application of Thomas Crump or his son Daniel for a pension as testimony whereof I have hereunto set my mark as clerk and affixed my seal of office this 25 day of February 1834.
WB Booker MCC

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State of Kentucky
Washington County
Sct

I Andrew Cunningham a Justice of the Peace in and for said County do certify that Daniel Crump the son of Thomas Crump, who died in January 1833 came before me and made oath that he is his son, and that his father said Thomas died on the 5th of January 1833 and that he left no other evidence of his having been a soldier of the Revolution, but an affidavit taken before J P Mitchell of Mercer County, on the 14th day of March 1831, which is attached and herewith sent in order to get a the arrears of Pension due unto Daniel Crump.
   Sworn to and subscribed by Daniel Crump who I well know and  is a reputable man.  I also know the old man and am of opinion that Thomas Crump was a soldier and serviced in the Revolution.
   Given under my hand this 28th day of August 1833.
   A Cunningham

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The amended declaration or affidavit of Daniel Crump formerly of Washington County Kentucky but now included in the new County called "Marion" in the matter of, or application for a pension for the heirs of Thomas Crump deceased, who was a soldier of the Revolution.  This applicant states that his former affidavit was made out and sworn to in a hurry and bustle of a County Court.  
   That all things stated therein are true; but that he recollects the following addition facts that he this applicant has been informed by his father and he believes it to be true that his said father Thomas Crump first enlisted in what was called Lee's Legion and that he was afterwards transferred to the artillery (but does not recollect what company of the said artillery) but that it was called Colonel Marshall's artillery) and in whose Regiment he served till the end of the war.
(Signature of Daniel Crump)

State of Kentucky Marion County
   I Andrew Cunningham a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid do certify that Daniel Crump personally appeared before me on this day and subscribed and sworn to the foregoing affidavit given under my hand as a Justice aforesaid at the County aforesaid this 22nd day of March 1834.  
A Cunningham

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September 28, 1936.
Mr. Wayne Guthrie              BA-J/ILL
Box 274                                Thomas Crump
Pleasant Hill, Illinois.           S. 15394
Dear Sir:
  Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War record of Thomas Crump of Virginia, cited as a pensioner of Washington County, Kentucky, in 1833, also the record of Lieutenant Richard Crump, or of any other Richard Crump.
  There is no claim for pension on file based upon service in the Revolutionary War of a Richard Crump.
  The data which follow were found in pension claim, S. 15394, based upon service of Thomas Crump in the Revolutionary War. 
  Thomas Crump enlisted about 1776, the place of his residence not stated, served as private in Colonel Lee's Legion, and in Captain Hockaday's Virginia company, also in Colonel Marshall's Virginia regiment, and was discharged as a soldier of Artillery at the close of the war, length of service at least two years. 
  The soldier resided in Kentucky in 1831, and in Washington County, Kentucky, at the time of his death, January 5, 1833; he was in the seventy-fifth year of his age when he died; the date and place of his birth were not given. Two children survived him, namely, Daniel Crump, a resident of Washington County, Kentucky, in 1833, and Polly Briscoe, her address not given. The name of the soldier's wife, the date of their marriage, and the date of her death, which occurred before his death, were not given. 
  The pension which was due on account of the service of Thomas Crump in the Revolutionary War was allowed the two surviving children, noted above. 
Very truly yours, 
A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator.

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1836-Sept 28-Hist. to Wayne Guthrie 

15394
INVALID

File No.  15394
Thomas Crump
Pri Rev War

Act:  June 7th 32
Index: - Vol 1  Page 83

[Arrangement of 1870]

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Sur S.15394
Thomas Crump.
  Soldiers affidavited, alleged to have sworn to  Mch. 14. 1837, and forwarded to this Bureau (referred to by Dan'l Crump, John Little and Wm Webster) was not in the claim when opened today. 
Hudson, Eqr. 
Oct. 22. 1908

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Thos Crump
Certificate of rep
--Pay
(r)

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This is to Certify, That it appears from a List in this Office of such Officers and Soldiers of the Virginia State Line, during the Revolutionary War, as settled their Accounts, and received Certificates for the balance of their Full Pay, according to an Act of Assembly, passed the November Session, 1781, that a Certificate issued on the 28th day of March 1883, in the name of Thomas Crump as a Soldier of Artillery for £99.11-2, which Certificate appears to have been delivered to and was given for services prior to the 1st January, 1782.
{No Seal of Office.} Given under my hand at the Auditor's Office, Richmond, this 12th day of December 1883. 
Jas E Heath Auditor.

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The affidavit of John Little and William Webster taken in Washington County on the 28th day of August 1833 deponent being first duly sworn according to law deposeth and saith that he was well acquainted with Thomas Crump who has signed his name to an affidavit taken before J P Mitchell a Justice of the Peace in and for Marion County, on this 14th day of March 1831.  That said Thomas Crump departed this life on the day of January 1833.  resident citizen of Washington County Ky.  That he left no widow, but a son his child now living in Washington County, said sone named Daniel Crump and also Polly Briscoe the only children that said Crump was very old man and a reputable man.

Signatures of John Little and William Webster

State of Kentucky
Washington County Sct

I Andrew Cunningham a Justice of the Peace in and for said County do certify that John Little and Will Webster came before me and made oath to and subscribed the foregoing affidavit that Little and Webster are credible witness given under my hand this 27th day of August 1833.

A Cunningham

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State of Kentucky
Washington County 
Sct

I William B Booker Clerk of the County Court for the County hereby certify that A Cunningham, whose name is signed to the presiding certification now is and was at the time of doing the same an acting Justice of the Peace for said County duly commissions and qualifies as such.  
   In testimony whereof I have hereinto set my hand as Clerk afore said affixed my seal of office this 18th day of Sept 1833.
   Wm B Booker C Clerk
  Do hereby certify that A Cunningham is an acting Justice of the Peace for Washington County Ky
   April 1, 1834 M Moore
   I have been frequently in the neighborhood of Thomas Crump residence before and after his death.  I am of opinion that he bore universal reputation in his neighborhood to have been a soldier of the Revolution.  I heard him often times spoke of as such, and never otherwise when the subject of Revolution was mentioned, I have no doubt of his having been a soldier and can only judge from his reputation as such.  
   This day of Dec 1833
   I do certify with full faith and credit is due to the statements of Wm H Todd.
   R Johnson

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Thomas Crump deceased
Kentucky

Pay
a yr $100
died 5 January 1833, heirs Daniel Crump and Polly Brivene (SP)

M H Todd

Mr J P Moor certify that A Cunningham of Washington County is a Justice of the Peace 
MH Todd

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DEPARTMENT OF WAR.
PENSION OFFICE, June 27, 1832.
   The following regulations have been adopted by the Secretary of War for carrying into effect the Act of Congress, passed June 7, 1832, entitled "an Act supplementary to an "Act for the relief of the surviving officers and soldiers of the Revolution."
   This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," State troops," militia and volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store
Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c.
   Four general classes of cases are embraced in this Law:
      1.  The Regular Troops,
      2.  The State Troops, Militia and Volunteers.
      3.  Persons employed in the Naval service,
      4.  Indian Spies,
   As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary Ware exists in this Department, all person claiming the benefit of this law as offices, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will, in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides.  And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.

DECLARATION,
   In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June 1832.
State, Territory, or District of 
County of
SS.
   On this   day of   personally appeared before the     of the    A.B. a resident of    in the county of    and State, Territory or District      aged    years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provisions made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832.  That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year    , with    and serviced in the     regiment of the     line, under the following named officers:

   [Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched.]

   He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any,) only on that of the Agency in the State of

   Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid,    A.B. 
      And then will follow the certificate of the Court:
   And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
    I                   of the Court of           do hereby certify, that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of               for a pension.
   In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal office, this day of               &c.

   If, on examination of the proper record, the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will receive detailed instructions, respecting the nature and form of the testimony, they must produce, to secure their being placed on the Pension Roll.  As the presumption will, in such cases, be against the applicants, in consequence of the omission of their names in the muster rolls, they will be required to furnish, as near as my be, the same evidence as has heretofore been required, by the Regulations and practice adopted for carrying into effect the act of Congress, of March 18, 1818, and the acts supplementary thereto; with such relaxations as have been from time to time, sanctioned by the Department, on account of the rapid decrease of the survivors of the Revolutionary Army, and the consequent difficulty of procuring direct positive testimony in every case.
   Wherever an officer or non-commissioned officer is now in the receipt of a pension, he should make application, if entitled to the benefits of this act, by letter merely, setting forth his rank, and the regiment, corps or vessels, in which he served, and his present place of residence.  His pension certificate must accompany his letter.
   In those cases where the applicants have once been on the pension roll, under the act of March 18, 1818, and have been dropped therefrom on account of property, or for any other reason, or where applica-

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Application has been made under the act of May 15th 1835, and the evidence of service is in the Departments, or having made application and proof of service, and having been rejected, instead of the above declaration they will make a statement, setting forth, under oath having been previously on the pension roll, and  their having been struck from the same, showing their rank, the regiment, corps or vessel in which they served, their present place of residence, and their place of residence when the first applications was made, or of their application under the act of 15ht May 1853.
   In a case where a claimant may make personal application at this Department, and can produce satisfactory proof of service, and his identity also, at the seat of government, he may make his declaration before a justice of the peace.
   2.  The case of State troops volunteers and militia is different.  There are in the Department no rolls of the State Troops, except those of Virginia and no rolls of the militia, except those of New Hampshire.
   Applicants, who served in the State troops of Virginia, and applicants, who served in the militia of New Hampshire, will be required to produce the same proof, as is prescribed for those, who served upon the Continental Establishment.  But, with respect to the other State troops and militia, there is no record to advert to, and no presumption to be rebutted.  The nature of the case, therefore, demands a different rule of proceeding.
   Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except as is above provided, will make and subscribe the following declaration:

DECLARATION
   In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress, passed June 7, 1832.  
   State, territory or District of
     County of
          SS

   On this     day of     personally appeared in open Court, before the Court of            now sitting A.B. a residence of              in the County of             State, Territory or District of          aged    years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the follow declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7, 1832.
   That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers, and served as herein stated:  
   [Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the day (if possible) and the month and year when the claimant entered the service and the time when he left the same; (and if under more than one engagement, he must specify the particular periods and the rank and names of his officers;) the town, and County or State, in which he resided, when he entered the service; whether he was drafted was a volunteer of a substitute; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged; the country through which he marched; the continental regiments or companies with which he served; and the names of some of the Regular Officers when he knew, together with such further particulars as may be useful in the investigation of his claim; and also, if the facts be so, that he has no documentary evidence and that he knows of no person, whose testimony he can procure, who can testify on his service.]
   Her hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of the Agency or any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency of the State of

   Sworn to and subscribed, the day and year aforesaid.  C.D.
   And then will be annexed the following certificate:
   We, A.B., a Clergyman, residing in the          and C.D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with         who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be           years of age, that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
    Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
   And then will follow the certificate of the Court.
   And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states.  And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A.B.,        who has signed the preceding certificate, is a Clergyman, resident in the                that C.D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the              and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
    I,          Clerk of the Court of          do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of        for a pension.
               In testimony whereof, I          have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this    day of                &c.

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The form of the proceedings and of the certificates will be so varied, as to meet the case, when the declaration is make out of Court, before a Judge, as hereafter provided for.
   Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power.  This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the part will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
   If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration, and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his alleged service, as they are known at the Department.  A very full account of the services of each person will be indispensable to a favorable action upon this case.  The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of [illegible] the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth,  no favorable decision can be expected.  All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
   The Court will [illegible] the following interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia:
   1.  Where and in what year were you born?
   2.  Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?
   3.  Where were you living when called into service?  Where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
   4.  How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were a substitute?  And if a substitute, for whom?
   5.  State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were the troops, where you served; such as Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your service.
   6.  To a Soldier.  Did you ever receive discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it?
   6.  To an Officer.  Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?
   7.  State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to you character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
   The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinion of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
   The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and convenience to him, two respectable persons--one of whom should be the nearest Clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion.  If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
   The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of a direct proof, except the declaration of the party.  And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.  to require from the applicants positive proof of service from a contemporary survivor would after the lapse of so many years, be to deprive many of them of the benefit of the law.  And as no presumption is raised against the Militia by the existence of Rolls in the Department, there is no good reason why this requisition should be extended to them.  On the other hand, to receive the declaration of the parties, as a sufficient ground for placing them upon the Pension Roll, without corroborating circumstances, would be to open the Treasury to great frauds.  A Just medium seem to present the best rule for carrying into effect the objects of Congress.
   If the two parties, whose certificate is required, cannot be produced in Court, without too much inconvenience and expense to the applicant, then the statement of the facts opinions above mentioned, will be made under oath before some Judge or Justice of the Peace, and the certificate of the Court to the situation and credibility of the persons making the statement will be given.
   Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of the Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify, that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
   Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of the Peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or the proper Clerk of the Court of County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
   3. Persons serving in the marine forces.
   4.  Indian Spies.
   Each of these two latter classes will produce proof, as nearly as may be, conformably to the preceding regulations and authenticated in a similar manner, with such variations as the different nature of the service may require.
   No payments can be mad eon account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration hereto required to make, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.


Mr Todd should write to Mr Heath Sec Auditor at Richmond for proof &c and such testimony as is required in the [illegible]

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Pleasant Hill, Ill.
Sept 12, 1936

Veteran's Administration 
Washington, D.C.

   Would you please send me any family data given in your records on Thomas Crump, who served in the Revolution from Virginia?  He was born in Virginia in 1785 and died in 1833.  He was a pensioner in Washington County, Kentucky in 1833.
   If you records include any information of Lt Richard Crump or any other Richard Crump, I would like such information very much also.

   Respectfully yours,
   Wayne Guthrie

RECEIVED
Sept 15 1936
Mail Sub-Div
Vets, Adm
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