Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R 1703, John Carman, N.C.

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N.C.
Carman, John
R 1703

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No. 35,424
John Carman
KV 32
1703
Hm
B.Y. Owsley
H2
1st

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Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress paper June 7th 1832.
State of Kentucky Casey County ^ to wit. 
On this 16th day of May 1842 personally appeared in open court before the judge of the Casey Circuit court now setting John Carman a resident of the state of Kentucky County after 80 years, who being first duly sworn according to law hath on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress paper under the 7th 1832.
That he enlisted the service of the United States under the following named officer and served as herein stated. About the first of January 1772 he volunteered in Captain Cole’s company of the County of Caswell, State of North Carolina which company was attached to Mafort Zhania, Harrison Battalions and which Battalion was commanded by Colonel Archibald Murphy some three or four weeks after he had enlisted the service of aforesaid. The company of Captain Cole and Battalion of Harrison was transferred to the regiment of Cole William Moore Valentine, which was attached to sentinel Morgan Bruggade of light infantry and on the 15th day of March 1782 he was in the battle of Guilford between Greene & Lord Cornwallis that long after this battle and about this last of march or first of April the Company any of Captain Cole’s to which he belonged was discharged from service and he returned home having been absent about three months. He again about the last of August 1782 Valentine Captain Adam Sandler’s company of Valentine from the aforesaid County of Caswell State of North Carolina in the service of the militia state does

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not recollect the Mayor’s name that commanded the Battalion but the regiment was commanded by William Moore. Whilst he was on this tour of duty he was in several engagements with the Brittish which was commanded by Lord Rawdon in the lower part of North Carolina. The Regiment to which he belonged was ordered to pursue a Tory colonel by the name of Fannin who had captured the Governor of North Carolina and took him prisoner and while in pursuit of him he was in one engagement with the Brittish and Tories ^ (about the first of January 1783) some short time after this the regiment to which he belonged was discharged from further service. He then returned home being absent from home about four months. During the whole of the time he was in service he did not believe he was out of the state of North Carolina. If he was he did not know it but was marched to defend places in said state. He states he was born in the state of North Carolina on the 24 day of December 1762 that he has no record of his age. He was living in the state of North Carolina County of Caswell (when he enlisted in service of the militia) and lived there untill the close of the Revolutionary War. He then enlisted to the State of Kentucky in the County of Casey where he now lives. He states he volunteered in the service of the United . States that he was not drafted nor was he a substitute. He recollects of seeing lieutenants Green Butler and Easton. He thinks he has a recollection of Col Washington and Lee. [cross out] He thinks that [“Jesse Coffey” crossed out] ^ Thomas Jones , cross out] Solomon Muchin [ink blots]  lived in the neighborhood to whom he is well known who can testify to his carracter [character] for veracity and their belief of his service as a soldier of the revolution

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He has no documentary evidence and that he knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his service.

He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pensions roll of the query of any state.

Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
John Carman

We Jesse Portman a clergyman residing in the County of Casey and [cross out] ^ Thomas Jones Solomon Mullican  residing in the same County hereby certify that he was well acquainted with John Carman who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be 80 years of age. That he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion. Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.

[signature] Jesse C. Portman
[signature] Thomas E Jones
[signature] Solomon Mullican

And the said court do hereby allow these opinions after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogations procured by the war department that the above and serving he states. And the court further certifies that it appears to him that Jesse Portman who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman in a resident in the County of Casey and that Zhania, Jones, Jesse Portman and Solomon Mulican who has also signed the same is a resident in the County of Casey and is a credible person and that this

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Statement is entitled to audit.

John L. Bridges judge
Casey Circuit Court

I as serving clerk of the Circuit Court of Casey County do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the [illegible] proceedings of the [illegible] court in the matter of the application of John Carman for a pension.

In testimony whereof I have hereunto let my hand the [illegible] of office to the clerk officer this 16th day of May 1842.

Joel Sweeney, CK cc

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Augutst 14, 1936

BA-J/ILL
John Carman
R. 1703

Mrs. C. H. Pyle
Magnolia Apartments
West Point, Mississippi.

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War records of John, Elijah and Caleb Carman, who were residents of Smith County, Tennessee, in 1820, the family having come originally from North Carolina.

There are no claims for pension or bounty land on file based upon service in the Revolutionary War of Caleb and Elijah Carman, under any spelling of that surname. The record has been found of one John Carman of North Carolina. The data given herein were found in that pension claim, R. 1703, based upon his service in the Revolutionary War.

John Carman was born September or October 24, 1762, in North Carolina and lived in Caswell County, North Carolina, during the period of the Revolutionary War: the names of his parents were not given. After the close of the war, he moved to Casey Co., Kentucky: in 1842, his residence was Casey County, Kentucky. 

John Carman applied May 16, 1842 for the pension which might have been due on account of his service in the Revolutionary War. It was stated in the papers in his applications for pension that he enlisted sometime in January 1781, served as private in Captain Cole’s company, under Colonels Archibald Murphy and William Moore, went in pursuit of the British and was at the battle of Guilford, and returned home after an absence of about three months; also that he enlisted in July or August 1781, or the last of August 1782, and served as private under Captains Adam Sanders (Saunders) and “Spill Coleman”, and Colonel William Moore, went in pursuit of Lord Rawdon and a Tory colonel, was in one engagement, and returned home after an absence of about four months. His claim for pension was not allowed and he failed to furnish proof of service of six months as required by the pension

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Law under which he applied.

John Carman made no reference to wife or children. In 1853, he was living in Casey County, Kentucky.

Very truly yours,

A.D. Hiller
Executive Assistant to the Administration.

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1703
REJECTED
P.O. John Carman

List of suspended claims printed in 1852 shows cause 
of suspension pension as follows: “For further proof.”

1936-Aug. 14 Hist. to Mrs. C
H. Pyle - ILL.

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No. 35424
John Carman
How B.Y. Owsley
Dec: 19. 42
R. 1703

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No. 38,333
John Carman
KY
Act 7th June 1832
1703
Jos. H. Sherwin
Columbia, KY
1832

W. True
Dec. 16-1854

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War
27718
May 2/57
John Carman
Mi US
Cap. Cole
May J Hanis
Col Archibald Murphy
Ent July 81-dis
Revolution
And paid Jan 9/52
[illegible] Apr. 2/52
The rolls of the Revolutionary war are on file in the pension [illegible]
[illegible signatures]
Jos H. Sherwin Columbia KY

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Know all men by these presents, that I, John Carman in my ninety first year,
Who was a Soldier in the Army of the Revolution, do hereby constitute and appoint F. F. C. Tarplett true and lawful Attorney for me and in my name to prosecute against the Government of the United States, before any Department thereof, any and all claim or claims I have to arrears of pay or Pension money, under any Act or Acts, Resolution or Resolutions, of the Congress of the United States, and especially the Acts 4th July, 1836, 7th July, 1838, 3d March, 1843, 17th June, 1844, 2d February, 1848 and 29th July, 1848–as well as the more ancient Acts of 18th March 1818, 15th May, 1828, and 7th June, 1832.
Said Attorney is moreover authorised in my name to demand an any Department of the said Government, a re-consideration of any decision hitherto or hereafter to be give, touching my interests, and to obtain from any Department or the archives thereof, any and all information or evidence of whatever character relating to or in anywise bearing upon the claim or claims we hereby seek the investigation of.

Said Attorney is moreover authorised to do any and all things necessary to carry out the foregoing purposes, and to receive the Certificates of Pension or other character of drafts or evidences of the amounts due me and to appoint one or more Sub-Attorneys, and to confer upon him or them all the powers herein conferred upon my said Attorney hereby ratifying and confirming all that my said Attorney may do by virtue of these presents.

Witness my hand and seal this 27th day of April 1853 attest S.H. Stevenson, John Humphrey
His mark John Carman
LS

State of Kentucky Casey County, sct.
Be it know, that on the 27th day of April 1853 before the subscriber, a Justice of the Peace in and for the County and State aforesaid, personally appeared John Carman, a Revolutionary Soldier subscribers to the foregoing Power of Attorney, and acknowledged the signing, sealing and delivering the same to be his one voluntary act and deed for the uses and purposes therein set forth.

In testimony whereof; I do hereunto subscribe my name.
John Humphrey J.P.C.C

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State of Kentucky
Casey County

On this 27th day of April 1833, personally appeared before me, John Humphry, a Justice of the Peace, in and for the county and state aforesaid, John Carman, who first being duly sworn according to law, doth upon his oath state that he will be ninety one years old if he lives to October 1853, that he enlisted the army of the Revolution sometime in the month of January (day not remembered) in the year 1781, that he volunteered, in the County of Caswell and State of North Carolina, in the company of Captain Cole, under may. John Harrison, commanded by Col. Archy Murphy, who being quite old, Col. W… Moore [illegible] his place, under General Green, as Chief commander. He further states that they were pursued by the British, and retreated across Dun River, crossing at Boyd’s Ferry, and then across Banister River, where they remained until Gen. Green received reinforcement from Virginia; then they returned to North Carolina, who as light infantry they were not under the command of General Morgan; that they pursued the British to Guilford C.H. North Carolina, and that he was present at that Battle, and continued in service until about the first of April of the same year 1781.
He further states that he again volunteered in the following day, or first of August, of the same year, 1781, under Captain Adam Saunders, who being sent home on some business, they were now under Capt. Spill. Coleman, under Col. W… Moore, under the command of General Butler as head commander, and served as light horse during the campaign: He says he knows it must have been as early as July or first of August, as when they were pursuing the British, they fed their horses on toasted ears, which were quite soft; that they continued in service until sometime in the month of December 1781, just a few days before Christmas; he further states that both their tours were in the militia service, the first tour, he thinks luckier a few days of these months, the last hour about four months, he thinks considerably more. He further states that he was in but two skirmishes during that campaign, and after the last battle that day on the North Bank of the Cape Fear River, N.C. at Blueford’s Bridge on said river 12 miles from Wilmington, where the British commander, Lord Rawdon, was stationed at the time. He further states he was honorably discharged at the close of each captain, the last time on one Friday morning, but not thinking his discharges of any

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Value, he lost both long time. He further states that no one, to the best of his knowledge, came to Kentucky, who knew him while in service, or by whom he could prove his services; and that he will name over some of the men in his company from Caswell Co. N.C.

In the first tour, one Leonard Parker, Jas. Bradley, Wm Slade, and Jacob Thrash. In the 2nd tour, one Fett Thrash, Jacob Thrash (same as in the 1st tour) John Davis and the aforesaid James Bradley, and Hal. Willis who was in both campaigns. Also one James Petterson. He further states that though he has made two previous applications, he never has received a pension yet. He makes this declaration for the purpose of obtaining the benefit of the act of Congress ^ of the United States passed and approved the 7th day of June 1832, or any other act, or acts by which he may be entitled.

Attor. S.H. Stevenson
John Humphrey
John Carman

Sworn to and subscribed before me. And I hereby certify that I have been intimately acquainted with the aforesaid Jhn Carman for more than forty years past; that he is a very respectable man, and always accounted a man of strict integrity and veracity, in whose statements full reliance can be placed; that I have heard him repeatedly make the foregoing statements in relation to his services in the Revolutionary War; and that, I have not the least doubt, they are strictly correct, and that he was a veritable soldier in the Revolutionary War as he has set forth in his declaration.

And I further state that I am in no way interested in the prosecution or result of the aforesaid claim.

John Humphrey gp cc

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State of Kentucky
Casey County

I, Joel Sweeney, clerk of af County Court in and for the County and State above witten, do hereby certify that John Humphrey, before whom the written  power of attorney and declaration were made, and who has thereunto subscribed his name is and was at the time of [illegible] a justice of the Peace in and for the County and State above written, duly elected, commissioned, and sworn, and authorized to administer oath; and that his said signature is genuine.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto let my hand, and affixed the seal of my office as clerk of the Casey County Court, this fifth day of May 1833.

Joel Sweeney, cllc, ccc
[illegible]

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John Carman
KY
Act 7 June 1832
Act 7 May 3-2

Js H. Sherwin
Columbia, KY

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State of Kentucky
County of Casey

On the 15th day of April A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty one, personally appeared before me, the presiding Justice of the county court for the county and state aforesaid, John Carman aged ninety years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on this oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of congress passed June 7th 1832. That he enlisted the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated. That he enlisted the service as a volunteer in the war of the Revolution under Captain– Cole, Major Thomas Harris and Colonel Archibald Murphey; warded into Virginia, crossed Dan river at Boyd’s-ferry, and crossed Bannisters river. Halted and waited for reinforcement: after the reinforcement of the army he was attached to Morgan's light infantry in a regiment commanded by Colonel William Moore: then followed the British on the south toward Hillsboro: halted before reaching Hillsboro; turned to the right and crossed the Caney fork of Hawe River: then warded to Guilford Court House and was attached to general Butter’s brigade: fought in the battle at Guilford. After the battle he with the army retired to the Iron works of Hawe river: discharged at this place some time after, but he does not recollect of the exact time of his discharge. In June of the same year he volunteered to guard the magazine under the command of Captain Adam Saunders, and Colonel William Moore: was discharged after serving as guard for the term of about six weeks. In August of the same year he volunteered in a company commanded by Captain Adam Saunders, in a regiment commanded by colonel William Moore: warded to Blew Fords Bridge on Cape-Fear-River 12 miles from Washington: continued at the Great White Marsh near the bridge for some weeks: crossed the White Marsh towards Washington: joined shortly after by General Rutherford with fifteen hundred men: marched to Cape Fear River just above the British fort.

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At Blewfords bridge: continued here till he was discharged in December A.D. 1781. He further states that he resided in Caswell County North Carolina where he enlisted the service, and that he started on the first campaign in February A.D. 1781. He believes that the whole term of his service amounted to eight months, or more. He further declared that he received a certificate of discharge when he left the service on Hawe River, and another certificate of discharge at the close of his last campaign, and that the certificates of discharge have been lost.

He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity, except the present, and declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of the agency of Any state.

John Carman

Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid

John Humphrey
Justice of the County Court 

I do hereby certify that John Carman who made oath to the foregoing declaration before me, is regarded by his acquaintances as a man of truth, and that hi is believed to have served in the war of the Revolution as he states; and I concur in the opinion that he did so serve; and I further certify that the said John Carman is unable, by reason of bodily infirmity, to appear in open court to make declaration of his services.

John Humphrey

I Jesse Portman a clergyman residing in the county of Casey and State of Kentucky hereby certify that I am well acquainted with John Carman who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that he is believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have served as he states, and that I concur in that opinion.
Jesse C. Portman

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I S.A. Butt, a clergyman residing in the County of Casey and State of Kentucky, hereby certify that I am well acquainted with John Carman who has subscribed and sworn to the foregoing declaration, that he is believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have served as he stated, and that I concur in that opinion.

S.A. Butt

State of Kentucky
Casey County

I Joel Sweeney clerk of the County Court for the aforesaid County of Casey. We hereby certify that John F. Humphrey whose signature appears to the above and foregoing certificate, was at the time of signing the same, and is now a justice of the peace, and presiding Justice of the County Casey duly commissioned, and qualified as such, and that his official act and entitled to full faith and heart, can certify that Jesse. C. Portman, and S.A Butt, whose signatures appear to the above and afore going certificates, are acting clergy and men of good standing in their respective churches—in testimony of which I hereunto set my hand and affix my seal of office as Liberty this 18th day of April 1884.

Joel Sweeney
Casey County Cr.

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Joseph H. Sherwin; agent
Columbia 
Adair County
Kentucky

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Oct. 3, 1863
Let. in case of John Carman
F.F.C. Triplett

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Washington Cty

Will the commissioner please report to me in the case of John Carman, KY Act 1832, which [illegible] has been [illegible] in?

Very truly
F.F.C. Triplett

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Haw B.Y Owsley
Dec. 19. ‘42

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Pen C.H
Dec. 19. 42

Sir

The application of Barnabas Haley for an increase of pension on account of tour of 3 mo under Capt. Walter of VA militia in 78 which was omitted in his declaration and is now unsupplied by any proof, can not be allowed without satisfactory parol testimony in the case of John Carman who now for the first time asserts a claim for service in two tours of N.C. militia, it may be remarked that his estimate of the length of each tour is an extravagant one for N.C. militia in 1787 when the battle of Guilford was fought. If his claim had been asserted in due time there cannot be a doubt that among the survivors of the Caswell County militia he could have advanced abundant evidence of any service actually rendered and it is highly probable

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That some still remain of whose testimony he can avail himself. The rules require the best attainable proof and the Dep can not allow a claim presented under such circumstances without such evidence as is believed to be attainable.

The claim of Henry Kilburn is disallowed as it is very apparent from his statement that he was not in service in any organized military corps. There was no part of the Continental army stated in Montgomery County VA and the officer at whose house he remained during the term of his alleged service and by whom he allegedly he was enlisted did not belong to the regular forces of VA in which alone such an enlistment as he describes could be made.

James Griffin claims for [illegible] service in ‘84 as the substitute of one who is not named under Capt Haflerd and Col. Dick. There were no such officers in the VA line or state troops where a continual service of [illegible] may have been rendered.

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And if they [illegible] militia officers of Amelia County the term of service could not have exceeded three months. He can not be allowed a pension unless the corps and officers are designated and shown by the records in Amelia County Clerk’s office if militia or the records of the Executive at Richmond and truth the most satisfactory proof of his having served at least 6 months.

In the case of Mrs. Lucy Pumphrey nothing is affected in support of the present application which can in any respect affect the decision made in her case in 1840 and communicated in a letter to C. Cherin Esq. of II any of that year.

B.Y. Owsley
H.R.

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Joseph H. Sherwin Esqr.
May 7th 1832

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86
Pension Office
May 7, 1832

Sir:

The declaration of John Carman of KY for a pension under the act of 7 June 1832 has been examined and filed, but without evidence of service no allowance can be made.

Joseph H. Sherwin Esqr.
Columbia
Adair Co.
KY

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F.F.C. Triplett
Oct. 13/53

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54
Pension Office
Oct. 15, 1853

Sir,

You will receive herewith enclosed a copy of the report on the case of John Carman of KY made on the 7th day of May 1852.

H.H.C. Triplett
Pensions

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[illegible] this 15 Dec 1857 and [illegible] 03-June

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John Carman.
Still alive and 91. Makes application sent you 11 May 1853.
Please acknowledge receipt of the papers and say when we may expect a report.

Sally Cardwell.
In this claim you sent us a report from the Pension Office dated the 1st Inst in which it is alleged “That no evidence has yet been adduced as to the date of Sally’s death nor as to the number and names of her surviving children.”

Our books report that full papers in these [illegible] were sent you on the 9 July. The [illegible] of [illegible] is recorded as Harrisburg. If you want another copy please let us know. If you want the declarations of witnesses, please send us forms. We can send you any papers you may desire in this claim. [illegible] let us know what you want.

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West Point Miss
July 6, 1936

Stamp: Received Jul 8, 1936

Pension Bureau
Washington D.C.

Dear Sirs,

John, Elijah and Caleb Carman are listed in the 1820 census of Smith Co. Tenn. I think the family originally came from N.C. I’m a direct descendant of the Carmans and will appreciate pension records from War of Revolution on these men. Any family data connected with them will also be appreciated.

Gratefully
Mrs. C.H. Pyle
Magnolia apts.
West Point, Miss.