Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 30974, Philip Crowder, Va.

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Service Va

Crowder, Philip

Number S.30974

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Va.
Crowder, Philip
S. 30974

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Philip Crowder

Declaration of in order to obtain the benefit of the __ of Congress __ June 7, 1832.

State of Illinois
County of Sangamon

On the ninth day of October A.D. 1832 personally affirmed in open court, before The County Commissioner [illegible] for the County of Sangamon now sitting Philip Crowder, at seventy two, who first being duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress [illegible] June 7, 1832.

I was born on the seventh day of April A.D. 1760 in the County of Amelia, Virginia. I removed when about five years of age to the County of Mecklinburg Virginia - when I [illegible] did when called  into service.  In 1785 I removed to Weatherford County N. Carolina where I remained until 1791. In this year I removed to Green County, Kentucky. In 1830 I removed to Sangamon County Illinois, where I have since resided. The only record of my age is upon the leaf of Testament given to me by my father and now in my possession purporting to be a register of the births and deaths in my fathers family. 
In August 1776, I was enrolled at Mecklinburg County as a substitute for my brother William, in a company of militia, commanded by Capt Petty, through Brunswick and Dinidddwie Counties by Petersborough [crossed out] Petersburg Cobham and Suffolk Town to Portsmouth. We were  attached to a regiment commanded by Col. Fred. Machlin and James Anderson. All the militia stationed at Portsmouth were as I understand

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at the time commanded by [illegible] Scott who joined us at Portsmouth Town a few day before our discharge. At this time I served three months an orderly sergeant.  During the 3 mos. that we were in or near Portsmouth we were employed in protecting the county against the Torries who were embodied in small companies in the Dismal Swamp. On one occasion I volunteered with about 40 [?] others under Capt. Sweptson to go in [illegible] of a party of Torries who had fixed [?] before a company marching to join us.  In this expedition after a slight skirmish we took fifteen prisoners who were sent to Hampton where Genl. Scott [illegible].  I do not remember any continental or militia regiments [inserted - not the names of any regular officers] who removed with us. I received my discharge at Portsmouth from Col. Macklin which I have lost.

About the first of Jan 1781 in Macklinburg County Virginia I was enrolled as a drafted man in a company of militia commanded by [illegible] Sanders.  About the tenth of the month we marched to Brunswick County were we were joined by several companies of militia.  We marched then through Cobham & Cabin Point to Suffolk Town. Here we were organized and every company was attached to a regiment (I think the seventeenth) commanded by Col. Alexander Dicks and Major Long both regular officers. General Muhlenburg commanded all the militia at these places. From Suffolk Town we marched to the Wet Camps where we were joined by Gen. Steuben,, who aided in drilling the troops. The object for which the militia was called out at this time was to counteract the operations of Benedict Arnold who then had possession of Portsmouth Town. [Illegible] his recurring into the county. I was on several occasions engaged in skirmishes with [illegible] of the enemy

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I do not remember any continental or militia regiments serving with us. The only regular officers, besides those already named, who name I recollect was Major Hamilton, who was attached to another regiment.  I served three months and ten days as orderly sergeant and received my discharge at the Wet Camp from Col. Dick which I have lost.

The same year 1781 I was enrolled at Macklinburg County as a drafted man in a company of militia commanded by Capt Richard Eperson and  Lient. Jms. Clay. We marched with several other companies of militia under Col Jesse Sanders and Major James Anderson through Prince Edward County to Yorktown to the siege of York[illegible] where I remained until the surrender of Cornwallis. I do not remember any continental or militia regiments who served with us except one regiment commanded by Col Signal Jones. The only regular officers whose names I recollect were Gen Washington, Gen LaFayette, Gen Steuben and Col Hamilton. I served as a private 3 months and a few days and received my discharge from Col Saunders at Yorktown which I have lost.

I have not documentary evidence of my services as above detailed. Nor do I know of any person whose testimony I can procure, who can testify to my character for veracity and things [illegible] of my services as a soldier of the revolution.

I do hereby relinquish every claim whatever to a  pension or annuity except [illegible] present and declare that my name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state.

Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
Philip Crowder

We James Haggard a clergyman residing in the County of Sangamon in the State of Illinois and

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William Miller residing in Said County,
that we are well acquainted with Philip Crowder
who has subscribed & Sworn to the above declaration
that we believe him to be seventy two years of age
[inserted text] that he is a a man of trust that he is reputed & believed in the neighbourhood
where he now resides & to have been a soldier of the revolution
and that we concur in that opinion -
Mr Miller has known the applicant for 30 years
Sworn & subscribed the day & year aforesaid.
James Haggard
William Miller

And the said Court do hereby declare these opinion
after the investigation of the matters & after putting the 
interrogations prescribed by the War Department, that
the above named applicant was a revolutionary Soldier
& served as he states -  And the Court further certifies
that it appears to them that James Haggard who has
signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman,  resident 
in the County of Sangamon & that William Miller is a resident in the same & is a credible person
& that this statement is Entitled and  to credit.
County Commissioners of
the County of Sangamon
{ [illegible] M. Smith
Thomas Moffett
Reuben Harrison }
I, Charly R. Matheny clerk of the County Commission
and Court, for the County of Sangamon do hereby certify
that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matters of the 
application of Philip Crowder for a pension
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand
and seal of office this ninth day of October
A.D. 1832.  C. R. Matheny CK

[written upside down]
Philip Crowder
21988
Rec ? Nov 23 ? 1833

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2128.-7.937
Philip Crowder
Langanmon Co
Illinois

Adm 9. Mantle and
10 days from 1776-
6 Months Sas feaat
& 10 days on foot

3-10
6.-30.
10. 1/3 of 5.00.
166
41.66

Lerryport. PD
C.R. Matheny Clerk
Langamon Co
Illinois

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WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office, 
183

Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned.  The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form.  On comparing these papers with the following rules and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed.  The notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done.  These points to which your attention is mere particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: } ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them, and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim. 

A Statement, showing the Service of Philip Crowder - Langgmon Co Illinois

Period when the service was recorded.
Duration of the claimant's service.
Years. Months. Days.
Rank of claimant.
Names and Rank of the Company officers under whom he served.
Names and Rank of the General and Field officers.
Battles in which the applicant was engaged.
Country through which he marched.
Place of abode when he entered the service, and age at the present period

1776
"3"
Sargent 
Capt R. Lu
efston
Luefston
Gen Heath
& L. Flo
Maelin
Maj Ander
son...
Larenmirh
Virginia
72 years
Willimasburg Co
Va
Traditionary

Jan. 1781
"3 10
"
Capt. Sand
ers--
Co Dick
Maj Long
Gen Ue
lenbury
Seurmisly
Virginia

1771
"3 few days
Private
Capt Eperson
Luu Clay
Col Sander
Maj And 
erson..
None
Vir.

I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J. L. Edwards, 
Commissionr of Pensions

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REGULATION UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.

The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been consttued to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line, "  "State troops,"  "militia,"  and "volunteers,"  all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed wit the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commiaries and to Store Keepers, &c. Temsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged is guadring particular places at night, and were not recognized as  being in actual military sevice. 

Four genaral classses of cases are embraced in this law:
1. The Regualr Troops.
2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.
3. Persons employed in the Naval service.
4. Indian Spies.

As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all person, claim-
ing the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first in-
stance, make application by transmitting the following declaratin, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides.  And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.

DECLARATION,
In order to obatian the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State,Territory or District of
County of 
} 88.
On this    day of  personnallyappeared(a)before
A.B. a resident (b) of   in the county of   and State, Territory or District
of  aged(c)   years, who being first duty sworn, according to the law, doth on oath make the
following declation in order to botain the benefit of the provion made by the act of Congress, passed
June 7th, 1832.  That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d)  ,with   and 
served in the    (e)regiment of the    line,under the following named officers:

[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Cmopany Officers; the time he left the service: ( and if her serv-
ed under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify, the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the
town or county and State in which he resided when he enterred the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched.  This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and per-
sons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, nacy, &c.]

He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of 
the Ageny in the Sate of

Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A.B.
[And then will follow the certifate fo the Court.]

And the said court do hereby declare their opnion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolu-
tionary soldier, and served as he states.
I                         of the Court of
do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of
the application of                  for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and sel of office (i) this
day of          &c.

If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be
found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.

Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the Stte Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, wit the following additions, viz:

(k) We, A.B., a Clergyman, residing in the     and C.D. residing in (the same)
hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with      , who has 
subscribed and sworn to the above declaration:that we believe him to be
years of age;that his is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier
of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after
putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above name applicant was a Revo-
lutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court farther certifies, that it appears to them that A.B.
who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, residen in the
and the C.D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the
and is a crdible person, and that their statement is etitled to credit.
I,     Clerk of the Court of     do hereby certify that the foregoing
contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the applicatin of 
for a pension.

In testimoy whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal
of office, this   day of    &c.

Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power.  This is the original discharge or commis-
sion;but it neighter of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if
possible, the testimony of at least on credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the ser-
vices of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light
upon the transaction.
 If such surviving witeness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in shis declaratin (l) and he will
also, wheter he produce such evidence or not, proceed to realte all the material faces, which can be useful in the investigatin of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the service of each person

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will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case.  The facts state, I will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected.  All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, on of the declarations provided, according to the nature of his case.
   The Court will prepare the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia. 
  1. Where and in what year were you born?
   2. Have you any record of your age, and is so, where it?
  3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
  4. How were you called into service/ were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute?
And if a substitute, for whom?
  5.  State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
   6. { To a Solider.}
       { To an Officer.}
Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it?
Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?
    7. State the name of person to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
   The Court will see that he answers to these 
  questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
   The applicant will farther produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons -one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he reprsents, and that he is reported and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier,and that they concur in that opinion.
If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of the other persons, giving such certificates. 
   The traditinary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declartion of the party.  And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and wheter any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
   Applicants suitable to appear isn Court by reasons of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, befor a Judge or JUstice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and that Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the apllicant cannot, from bodily infirmity , attend the Court.
   Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of thae peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature. 
   No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter. 

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[a} The declarant must appear in open Court, unless pervented from doing so by reasons of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule aid down for is duidence.
[b] The declarant mus make the declaration in the county where he resides. If he sould fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule .
[c] The age of the declarant must voluntaraly be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or peridos of the war when her seved.
[e] Every continental officer or solider must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served: otherwise;a satisfactory examination fo the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must claim, with permission, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he seved, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determin the amount of pensions he is entitled.  In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of theloss of memory, state permently how long he served, he sould amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the folowing words:
 
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, kc. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by remain of old age, and the consequences of memory, he cannont swear positiely to the pracise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not form the periods metioned below, and in the following grades:-For__year___months,and ___days, I served on a ___. For___months and ___days.  I served as a ___; and for such service I claim a pension."

   It is important, in all cases, to determine which percentage the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank be held, as the law in too infefinite, which all such qualifiying  engangements are objectable. sime person who apply for pensions merely state athat they served two years in the militia.  And without specifying the tiems, the name of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service.  This form of a declarations is highly objetionable.  It must be every case, be clearly observed under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each tearm of engagement, the particular place or places where the services were performed, the the applicant served with an emboided corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garments; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in an civil pursuit. 

[f] The law realize the requirement indespinsible.
[g] The opinion of the Clerk is always organized.
[h] The Clerk must prove his decision in every case.
[i] The Clerk must file his amend, and if a device or investigation by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has the public seal of office, the ceriticate of a Member of Congress, protcting the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers. 

Mode of authenticating papers.
   In every instance where the authentification of the certifying officer who authinticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which containes the affidavit, the other papers authentifacated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the identifying officer, as to present any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.  

Proof of Service.
[j] In a cae where the name of the applicant is not found in the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required in said forth in their affidavets the time of the claimment's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same , as well as the regiment, company, and the time in which he belonged.  The magistrates who may administer the oaths mus certify to the credibility fo the witnesses and the official character and signatures of the magistrates must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of the office.
> The notes for [a] and [ ] are al equally applicable in that cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops.  The proof required by rue of note [j] applies to contintal troops only. 
[k] This traditionary enrollment is indespendable in militia camps.
[l] If a witness cannot be foud, the declarent must prove the fact. 
[m] The answeres of the investigation must written and mailed to the War Department, with the declaration. 

Joseph Rowen Ex. GN

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PA-J/MCS
Philip Crowder
S.30974

Mrs. Adria Helmbrecht
107 North Public Street
Tonkawa, Oklahoma

Dear Madam:
Reference is made to the part of your letter of April 25, 194-, in which you request information relative Rphllip Crowder of Virginia who served i the REvolutionary War and information realtive to his descendants who served in the War of 1812.
   The date wchich follow were taken from papers on file in the pension claim, S.30974, based on the miitary service of the only Philip Crowder that is found in the Revolutionary War records of this office.
   Philip Crowder (personal signature) was born April 7, 1760, in Amelia County, Virginia. The names of his parents are not shown. Then about five years of age, he moved to Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and was living there during his service.
   He enlisted and served with the Virginia troops as follows: from August, 1776, three months as orderly sergeant in Captain Pichard Swepston's company in Colonel Fred Machlin's regiment, as susstitue for his brother, William Crowder; from about January 1, 1781, three months and ten das as orderly sergeant in Captain Jesse Sanders' company in Colonel Alexander Disck's reiment; again in 1781, three months and a frew days as private in Captain Richard Eperson's company in Colonel Jesse Sanders' regiment and was athe siege of Yorktown.
   In 1785, he moved to Rutherford County, North carolina. In 1791, he moved to Green County,, Kentucky, and in 1830 he moved to Sangamon County, Illinois.

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Philip Crowder was allowed pension on his application executed October 9, 1832, while living in Sangamon County, Illinois.

No family data were given other than the reference to the soldier's brother, William Crowder.

In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension of Philip Crowder, the name and address of the person to whom it was paid and possibly the date of death of this soldier, it is suggested that you address The Comptroller General, Haoords Division, General Accounting Office, Washington, D.C., giving the following data:

Philip Crowder, Certificate #7937, issued April 23, 1833, rate $41.66 per annum, commenoed Mrch 4, 1831, Act of June 7, 1832, Illinois Agency.

In order to make a search of the War of 1812 records of this office for a soldier surnamed Crowder, it is essential that you furnish the full name and give as much as possible of the following data: approximate daate of birth and death, palce of rsidentce at enlistment and after service and fist name of wife or widow.

Very truly yours

A.D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator

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30974
Reg INVALID

File No. 30,974
Philip Crowder 
Sergt Rev War
Act June 7" 32"
Index:-Vol. 2, Page 87
[Arrangement of 1870.]

1911 Oct. 17 Hist to Edward
Crowder V.L.U.
1911, Nov. 24.
to Dr. Mr. Gen U.S.A.
for Fombatone.  F.n.
1915 March 6 Hist to Mrs. H.
S. Tarkington.
1927-Mch. 17 - Hist to Mrs. A. H. 
Helmbrecht, MMNI
1934 Feb. 17. first to Mr.
Carey E. Barnes MCS
1940. June 21. first to Mrs
Adria Helmbrecht MCS

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OR OTHER CAUSES BEYOND OUR CONTROL
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OF EVERY
DESCRIPTION
Springfield, III, Oct. 14. 1911
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington D.C.
Sir:
Please send me the Military Record
Philip Crowder (my great grandfather)
who served in the Virginia Line of Troops
the Revolutionary War, and who drew
a pension in Sangamon Co. Illinois
Respectfully
Edward Crowder
1125 W. Lawrence Ave.

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Indianapolis, Indiana
Feb 24, 1915,
Chief of Records and Pension Office
War Department
In the records of Prince George Co.
Virginia-tons. Petersburg. Philip
Crowder is said to have entered the
Revolutionary War. The Secretary
of War's report,1835, Says 1
Pension. Will you please give
me the correct information?
Very Sincerely -
Helena S. Tarkington
(Mrs Mrs) 318 East 21st St
318
[stamp] U.S. PENSION OFFICE FEB 26 1915

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Feb 7-27
Tonkawa
Okla
Commissioner of Pensions,
Dear Sir
I am writing for information
of Philip Crowder, who was a
soldier in the Revolutionary war
he was born in May 1st 59
near Petersburg Virginia and
enlisted when only 16 - or 17 yrs
old. an older brother was drafted
but had a family so Philip
went in his place, he moved
from Vir. to green Co. Kentucky
about 1794, and to Sagamon Co. Ill.
near Springfield in Nov 1830.
died in May 1844. there is a

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book or History. (The Early Settlers of
Sagamon C. Ill.) on page 5 that 
says Philip Crowder was a soldier
in the Revolutionary war, but does
not give the place or when or where
he enlisted or how long he served,
that is the information I am trying
to get my grandmother Martha Crowder
Robison, the Daughter of Reuben Crowder
the oldest son of Philip Crowder, always
told us he served all during the
war, and I have heard her till about
him being at the siege at Yorktown
and witnessed the surrender of Cornwallis
and he was so affected when he handed
his sword to Washington that Washington
said "never mind it is the fate of war.
now I will be greatly obliged if you
can give me the desired information
I remain
Mrs A. H. Helmbrecht
107-N. Public St
Tonkawa, Okla
P.S. I want to belong to the D.A.R. and
I think I must have this information
and A.H.

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Feb 24 -27
Tonkawa
Okla
Dear Sir,
I am writing for information concerning one
Philip Crowder, a soldier in the Revolutionary war, (he was my great-great-Grand father)
I will give you the information I have from
the list of Revolutionary Soldiers from Virginia
Name,
Philip Crowder. Sec. of War Report- 1835 - Pen.  3-111 - 18.
Rank  Annual Allowance   total sum
Private and Ser.  41 -66  124 -98
placed on the roll mch 4 -1831-age-73
would like for you to get for me the dates
when he joined the army and when discharged
and where he joined and where discharged,
and any other information you have concerning
him.  I want to get it clear so I can
Join the D.A.R.s.  I have my record back
to him all clear.  & I will be greatly obliged.
If it costs anything I am willing to pay you
for your trouble
as ever
Mrs A.H. Helmbrecht
107 N. Public St.
Tonkawa
Okla.
please send information 
promptly, as I want to join
along with some others.

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Carey E. Barnes
ATTORNEY AT LAW
108 1/2 NORTH SIXTH STREET
PHONE CAPITOL 862
SPRINGFIELD, ILL.

January 29, 1934

                          RECEIVED FEB 1934
                           MAIL SUB-DIV.
                           VETS-ADM READET 15

Veterns Administration, 
Washington, D. C.

Gentlemen:-
     My great grandfather, Philip Crowder, was a Revolutionary soldier.  He enlisted in the Revolutionary War from Mechlenburg County, Virgina, and served as an orderly sergeant under captain Richard Simpston, Colonel Red Mechlen's reigment.
     If possible, I would like to have a record or a copy of the record showing the date of his enlistment and his dichard.  He moved to Illiois about 1840 and applied for a pension while living in Sangamon county, Illinois, which pension was allowed. 
     I will appreciate this information very much. 

Yours very truly, 
Carey E Barnes

CEB*VD

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CAREY E. BARNES
ATTORNEY AT LAW
1084 NORTH SIXTH STREET
PHONE CAPITOL 862
SPRINGFIELD, ILL.

January 29, 1934.

Bureau of Pensions,
Washington, D.C.

Gentlemen:-
My great grandfather, Philip Crowder, was a Revolutionary soldier. He enlisted in the Revolutionary War from Mechlenburg County, Virginia, and served as an orderly sergeant under Captain Richard Simpston, Colonel Fred Mechlen's regiment.
If possible, I would like to have a record or a copy of the record showing the date of his enlistment and his discharge. He moved to Illinois about 1840 and applied for a pension while living in Sangamon County, Illinois, which pension was allowed.
I will appreciate this information very much.

Yours very truly,
[signed] Carey E Barnes
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THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES
Form K-8
(Rev. 11-21-38)

Division of Reference

REFERRAL SLIP

DATE MAY 14 1940

INQUIRY FROM:
Mrs. Adria Helmbrecht
107 North Public Street
Tonkawa, Oklahoma.

DATED: April 25, 1940.

SUBJECT:
Information concerning Phillip Crowder, a soldier of the Revolutionary War.

RESPECTFULLY REFERRED TO:
Veterans' Administration
Washington, D.C.

[Signed] P. H. Homer
CHIEF DIVISION OF REFERENCE

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May 14 1940

WILLIAMS, Thomas
NO 894 848

Mrs. Adria Hembrecht
107 North Public Street
Tonkawa, Oklahoma

Dear Mrs. Helmbrecht:

This is in reply to your letter of April 25, 1940, in which you asked for information concerning Thomas Williams, Civil War veteran.

The attached sheet contains a summary of the genealogical information appearing in the papers relating to the application for pension of Thomas Williams, which it is hoped will be of assistance to you.

It is noted that you also desire information concerning Phillip Crowder, a soldier in the Revolutionary War. The pension claims of veterans of that war are in the custody of the Administrator of Veterans' Affairs. A copy of your letter, therefore, has been referred to the Veterans' Administration for consideration and reply.

Very truly yours,      M.C.S.-

P. H. Homer, Chief
Division of Reference

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Tonkawa, Okla.
April 25-40

Mr. V. G. Setser, Acting Chief - National Archives
Division of Reference

Dear Sir:

I am asking or requesting of you the genealogical record of a Civil War veteran in the Union Army - Thomas Williams - 45th Regt. - E. M. M. Co. G. enlisted at Unionville, Mo. by Gen. Fisk into active service Sept. 26-1862 at Macon, Mo. Muster present to April 30-1863-Captain Dunlap. Active service again Nov. 14-1864. He was my grandfather and this is all I know about him or the family. I would like to have more definite information concerning my grandfather and family. I think all or most of them died in Calif. I know he died about 1874 or 5.

Thanking you very kindly for any information you may be able to give me, I remain

Mrs. Adria Helmbrecht
107 N. Public Street
Tonkawa, Okla.

P. S. Could you also give me the genealogical record of Phillip Crowder, a soldier in the Revolutionary War in Va. I am a great, great, great granddaughter and I am a D.A.R. from his record, but do not know who his parents were or where they were living or whence they came and a lot of information is missing that I would like to know. I think they were from England, but do not know when they came or anythingabout it. If you cannot supply such information could you tell me where I could get it as I am anxious to trace my ancestry back further than the Revolution and were there any of his ancestors in the War of 1812. I think they were, but it is just a tradition, as it also is that we came from one of the Lords of the field of Runymede.

Sincerely
Mrs. Adria Helmbrecht.

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February 17, 1934
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Philip Crowder, S.30974

Mr. Carey E. Barnes
108 1/2 North Sixth Street
Springfield
Illinois

Dear Sir:

Reference is made to your request for the record of Philip Crowder, a soldier of the Revolution.

The data furnished herein were obtained from papers on file in the pension claim, S. 30974, based upon the military service of Philip Crowder.

He was born April 7, 1760, in Amelia County, Virginia. The names of his parents were not given. When about five years of age he moved to Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and was living there during his service.

He enlisted and served with the Virginia troops as follows: from August, 1776, three months as orderly sergeant in Captain Richard Swepston's company in Colonel Fred Machlin's regiment, as substitute for his brother, William Crowder; from about January 1, 1781, three months and ten days as orderly sergeant in Captain Jesse Sanders' company in Colonel Alexander Dick's regiment; again in 1781, three months and a few days as private in Captain Richard Eperson's company in Colonel Jesse Sanders' regiment and was at the siege of Yorktown.

In 1785 he moved to Rutherford County, North Carolina. In 1791 he moved to Green County, Kentucky, and in 1830 he moved to Sangamon County, Illinois.

He was allowed pension on his application executed October 9, 1832, while living in Sangamon County, Illinois.

No family data were given other than the reference to the soldier's brother, William Crowder.

Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Assistant to Administrator

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Virginia
Crowder, Philip
S30974

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October 9, 1832 while a resident of Sangamon County, Illinois,
to which county he moved in 1830 from Green County, Kentucky.

There is no data on file as to his family except the 
reference to his brother.

Respectfully,
WINFIELD SCOTT
Commissioner.

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Information as contained in his (or his widows application for
pension on file in the Bureau.  Philip Crowder SF. 30874
DATES OF
ENLISTMENT OR 
APPOINTMENT  |  LENGTH OF
SERVICE  | RANK | OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED | CAPTAIN  | COLONEL | STATE
* Aug. 1776 | 3mos | Orderly Sgt | Richard Simpston | Fred Macklin |  Va
Jany 1, 1781 | 3mos and 10 days | " | Jesse Sanders | Alexander Dick |
1781 | 3mos | Pvt | Richard Eperson | Jesse Sanders

*Substituted for his brother William
Battles engage in, Siege of Yorktown
Residence of soldier at enlistment,  Mecklenburg  Co. Va
Date of application for pension, Oct. 9 1832 this [Illegible] al
Residence at date of application Sangamon Co. Ill.
Age at date of application B. Apr. 7, 1760 in Amilia Co. Va

Very respectfully,
Commissioner
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