Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 2,416, Robert Carrothers, N.C.

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N.C.  Carrothers, robert  S.2.416
or Carothers
carded

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7598 West Tennessee
Robert Carrothers
of Bedford Co in the State of W. Tenn
who was a private in the com [company?] commanded
by Captain Brumfield of the  [illegible] commanded 
by Col. Ewing in the N.C. line for 8 months

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Inscribed on the Roll of West Tenn at the rate of 26 Dollars 66 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.

Certificate of Pension issued the 3 day of May 1833 and Sent to James McKinoh Shelbyville
Arrears to the 4th of March  33 32
Semi-anl. allowance ending [6?] Sept 13 33
             $66 65

[right page] Letter to Rob.t I. Moore, in compliance with request of James Carothers, Ap.l 4, 1837.
Leet to [iillegible] Nashville, Apl 4, 1837.

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Declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the Acts of Congress passed the 7th of June 1832
State of Tennessee
Bedford County
On this 9th day of February 1833 Personally appeared in open court now Sitting for said county before the Worshipful Samuel Phillips, William McClure and Jno,B. Armstrong Esqrs gentlemen justices of the peace appointed [illegible] Quorum to hold said court.  Robert Carrithers [sic] Sen r a resident of said county

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He States that he remained in Service under the aforesaid Officers until his term of three months expired when he was dismissed and returned home; and was ordered ou immediatly again abou the time the Ritttish was in Charlotte in Mecklenburgh County, as a militiaman his capt he thinks perhaps was Earley but is not certain and his Col. was Robert Erwin, and he thinks Genl. Lock was along- and was marched to Salisbury in Roan County, N.C. and thence up the coutry and across back to Charlotte crossing Curdle Creek and Rocky River and after Serving two months he was dismissed.--- Deponent Says that afterwards he joined Col. Davys Regiment of Mounted Gunmen; in order to Suppress the tories who were numerous and frequently committing depprectations on the property of the Whigs, but from old age and the consequent loss of memory he cannot Swear positively to the precise length of this last mentioned tour of duty it being performed at different periods of two or three weeks at a time; but to the best of his recollection he Served not less than three months, making in all a term of Service of not less than Eight months for which he claims a pension and that he has no documentary evidence whatever; and that he knows of no person who is testimony he can procure who can testify as to his Service, Except what he can prove by the oath of James Wilson, And declares that his name is not on the pension roll of any augency in the united States. ----

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Interroggattories by the court
In.t 1st  Where and in what year were you born.---
Ans. I was born in Lancaster County in the State of Pennsylvania, on the 14th day of February in the year 1750. Agreeable to what my parents informed me.
Int. 2nd. Have you any Record of your age.--
Ans. I have no Record of my age whatsoever.
Int. 3rd. Where were you living when called into Service. Where have you lived Since the Revolutionary War and where do you now live. ---
Ans. I was a citizen of Mecklinburgh County in the State of North Carolina ll the time I was in Service and after the close of the war, when I removed in the year 1791 to Davidson County Tennessee where I resided for six years, and from there I removed to Williamson County where I resided until the 1st day of January 1831. When I removed to Bedford County Tennessee where I now reside.--
Int. 4th How were you called into Service, were you drafted, did you volunteer or were you a Substitute and if a Substitute for whom. --
Ans. I was a drafted Soldier My two first [illegible -terms?] and my last [illegible] I was a volunteer.--
Int. 5th State the names of Some of the Regular officers who were with the troops when you served; such continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstance of your service.
Ans. I did not form an acquaintence with any Regular officers, that was with the troops when I served, nor do I recollect the names or number of any Regiments whatever, and believe I given or near the general circumstances of my Service as I am able to do at this advanced age of my life

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Int 6th Did you ever secure a discharge; and if so by whom was it given; and what has become of it.---
Ans I never did receive a written discharge, only dismissed from Service or Mustered out of Service.
State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighbourhood who can testify as to your verasity and their opinion of your Service as a Soldier of the Revolution.
Ans. I have not lived a sufficient length of time in my present neighbourhood and not being able to travel about much, I have not formed an acquaintince with many persons, and have not formed an acquaintince with any cleergyman, I am acquainted with Samuel Haggard, Abraham Mayfield, Wm Meek and John Sellarion,  James Mabraie and I hereby relinquish all claims to a pension or annuity except the present  Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.

Jasmy Aseck Clk     [signature] Robert Carothers

State of Tennessee  On this 9th day of February 1833 personally appeared in open court James Wilson Sen r. a resident of Bedford County in the State aforesaid; aged Seventy Six years; who after being duly sworn according to law, deposeth and saith that he was himselif a Soldier in the Revolutionary war; where and when he knew Robert Carrithers who was then a private Soldier in Capt Brumfileds Company and that said Carrithers was in the battle of the Hanging Rock, in South Carolina; between the Brittish and the Americans - and that he has been acquainted with the said Robert Carrithers who Subscribed and was qualified to the foregoing declaration; Both in the State of North Carolina and Tennessee, thats

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he always supported a good morral character and that he never heard his veracity questioned by any person whatever. Sworn to and subscribed the day and date aforesaid -- Jaes Wilson  
Jas McKisick clerk

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No 23029
Robert Carrithers Bedford County
Tennessee
from 6780 private
8 months 
$26.66

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James McKisick Clk Bedford County
Tennessee

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War Department, Pension Office, 183
To:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers witht he following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done. Tose points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace (thus: } ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.

Statement, showing the Service of Robert Carrithers Bedford County Tennessee [columnar table]
Period when the service was rendered l Duration of the claimant's service l Rank of the claimant  l Names and Rank o the company officers under whom
                                                                  l  Year  l  Month   l   Days                   l                                      l   he served.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
[handwritten]Draftd 1 June 1780           l   -       l   3           l      -                      l                                    l     Cap Brumfield
                    
Called                          1780                     l   -       l    2          l       -                      l                                    l    Cap Porter

                                                                   l   -       l   3           l     -                       l  As a Mounted GunMan  l 


___________________[table continued]___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Names and Rank of the       l    Battles in which the          l  Country through which  l   Place of abode when         l  Evidence by which the declaration
General and Field officers.  l    applicant was engaged.   l    he marched.                  l   he entered the service,     l         is suppported.
                                               l                                                l                                           l   and age at the present period. l
__________________________________________________________-____________________________________________________________________________________________________
Col. Erwin                              l Hanging Rock                        l Marched to Hanging     l    82 years Mecklinburgh       l  [T?]raditionary evidence
                                                                                                l   Rock                               l  County   N Carolina               l  no clergiman acquainted so as to testify, 
Col. Erwin                             l  Flat Rock                                                                                                                             l    one living witness - witness certified 
                                                                                                                                                                                               l  credible      Papers correct              

Col. Davy


I am, respectfully, Your obedient servant, J. L. Edwards, Commissioner of Pensions.

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November 15, 1938
XXXXXXXXXX
RA-J/MCS
Robert Carrothers
S. 2416

Miss Annie Z. Walker
Franklin, R.F.D. #5
Tennessee

Dear Madam: 
Reference is mad to your request for the Revolutionary War record of Robert Carothers [sic]. The data which follow were obtained from papers on file in the pension claim, S.2416, based on the military service of Robert Carothers (personal signature Carothers but pensioned as Carrothers).

Robert Carothers was born February 14, 1750, in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The names of his parents are not shown.

While a resident of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, where he had lived since about 1772, he enlisted about the first of June, 1780, and served three months as private in Captain John Brumfield's company in Colonel Robert Irwin's North Carolina regiment, was in the battle of Hanging Rock and on the following morning was in a small engagement at Flat Rock. He returned home and immediately enlisted and served two months in Captain Porter's company in Colonel Robert Irwin's North Carolina regiment. He next joined Colonel Davis's regiment of mounted gunmen and served with the North Carolina troops on various short tours against the Tories, about three months in all. 

About 1791 he moved to Davidson County, Tennessee, and six years later he moved to Williamson County, Tennessee, and about 1831 he moved to Bedford County, Tennessee.

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Robert Carothers was allowed pension on his application executed February 9, 1833, at which time he was living in Bedford County, Tennessee, and he was then referred to as Robert Carothers, Senior. 
One James Carothers of Nashville, Tennessee, was living in 1837 but his relationship to the soldier was not shown and there are no further data relative to soldier's family. 

Very truly yours

A. D. Hiller
Executive Assistant 
to the Administrator

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[Left side of record:]
Aug. 24, 1901 Mrs. Hu C. Anderson, Jackson, Tenn
1927 - Apr. 22 - Hist to S. M. Carothers. MWNF
1930 May 12. Hist. to Mrs. John L. Neely A D. Y.
1937 May 6 hist. to Mr. S. C. Evins M.C.S
1938 Nov 15. hist. to Miss Anne Z. Walker M.C.S.


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[handwritten] Rev War   2416

INVALID.
File No. 2416
Robert Carrothers
Privt Rev War

Act: June 7, 1832
Index: -- Vol. A. , Page 56
[Arrangement of 1870 ]  [brackets present on record]

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[Envelope with notations]
March 6
Ten. 23029
Hon. Lewis Cass  Secretary of War  Washington City  d. of C. 
[return address in upper right of envelope is illegible]

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State of Tennessee, Bedford County --- 
This 9th day of February, 1833 personally appeared in open court William meek and [blank] residents of Said County who after being duly Sworn [illegible] deposed and saith that they are now and have been for the last twenty years well acquainted with Robert Carrethers who has subscribed and Sworn to the foregoing declaration that we believe him to be Eighty two years; Eleven months and Twenty Six days old, that he is respected and believed in the neighbourhood where he now resides to have been a Soldiers of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion; (they further state that they believe said Robert Carrithers to be strictly honest, that they never heard his veracity questioned by any person whatever; sworn to in open court this 9th day of February, 1833.  {signatures] Wm Meek  John T. Marion Jas M Kisick Clk

And the said court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after pulling the interroggatories prescribed by the war department that the said applicant, Robert Carrothers, was a Revolutionary Soldier and Served as he States, and the court further certifies that it appears to them that William Meek and Doct John F. Marion, who Subscribed and were  qualified in open court to the preceding certificate are residence of Bedford County, and credible persons and that their statements are entitled to full faith and credits. [signatures] Samuel Phillips  Wm McClure  John B. Armstrong

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[inverted] Robert Carrithers Declaration

I James McKisick Clerk of the Court of pleas and quarter Sessions of Bedford County in the State of Tennessee do hereby certify that the foregoing contain the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Robert Corruthers Senr. for a Pension 
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto Set my hand and seal of office at office the 14th day of February 1833  
  [signature] Jas McKisick  Clk

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[envelope]
J. L. Edwards
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington City

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Nashville  March 8th 1837
Dr Sir
On yesterday I applied to the Pension agent at Nashville for payment of Pension due Robert Carrothers from the 4th day of Sept, 1835 till the 4th day March 1837 & was informed by the Said agent that they under a later law were not authorized to  pay this claim. 
i know of my own knowledge that the true cause why Robert Carrothers did not apply for his Pension each 4th Sept & March was long & continued bad health & general debility. he once in the time attempted to execute a power of Attornie in order to draw the Pension due him but when I applies to the Pension Agent it was imperfect therefore not paid.

Respectfully yours 
[signature] James Carothers

PS your will please return the enclosed with Such order as shall be made on it to Mr. Robert IJ Moore Nashville Tenn who will immediately notify me of its reception  yrs J.C.

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State of N. Carolina  Meklenburgh County  These may certify that [illegible] Bearer hereof, Robert Carrithers, Has lived in this County in or about fourteen years [illegible] and that in [that?] same neighbourhood where i live, and Always Believed himself as an honest man, and During [that?] Late Ware With Britain, he was allways, [illegible] Zelious, Active, friend to [that?] Amerian Cause, and often carred arms in [that?] Defence of our Common Rights, and is intitled to [those?] Benifits of a good citizen, Where ever his Lott may be cast Certifye, By me, this 27th Day of Jan y 1786  [signature] Robt Irwin, Col., B:M:M:Y
To All To Whom there may come, Be it Known that we approve of [that?] above Testamonial and Believe [that?] above Robert Carrithers, to merit [that?] Same as Witness our Hands, ..... Hez. Alexander, J.P.  JM. Alexander. J. P. John Neely

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[handwritten on letterhead of State of Tennessee, office of the Attorney General, Nashville,; all letterhead portion has been crossed out;] L. O. Smith Attorney General and reporter; Assistant Attorneys General  W. F. Barry, Jr.   Roy H. Beeler   Nat Tipton    T. P. Henderson  R. B. Maiden   John L. Neely  
W. H. Eagle   D. B. Hardeman

[handwritten letter] 
March 4, 1930
Bureau of Pensions,
Washington D. C.
 Please send me a opy of the pension record of Robert Carothers, who died in Marshal County in 1837 - born Feb 14, 1750 

Very respy 

Mrs. John L. Neely
2419 West End Ave
Nashville Tenn.

(Request for record of Robert Carothe

[stamp] U. S. Pension Office Mar 17 1930

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Sumter S. C. Feb. 28, 1927
Department of Interior 
Bureau of Pensions
Gentlemen: - Have a record of an application or of a pension, granted to Robert Caruthers fo service in the Revolutionary war,1776-81, He came to Mecklenburg County N. C. from Lancaster County Pa., and served throughout the war from North Carolina, and moved to Tenn. and died there 
He ai supposed to have served under Col.Sevier at Kings Mountain and also under Gen. Andrew Pickens in 1781.

If you have a record of him please send me a copy of what you have.
Yours truly [signature] S. M. Carothers  
S. M. Carothers
Box 783, Sumter S. C. 
[stamp] U. S. Pension Office R Mar 1 1927

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[2 stamps] To Chf. M Div. Action Jul 22 1901 Commissioner
To Chf ____ Div. Action Jul22 1901 being made[handwritten] commissioner
Co. H. Clay Evins,
My dear Sir: --
When efforts wer being mad to obtain a pension for my grandmother, Mrs. Elizabeth B. Caruthers, as the widow of Robert Caruthers, a soldier of the War of 1812, the pension lawyer of Columbia (Tenn) at that time 1878, thoughtlessly tore all the records from the family Bible & sent them on to Washington, where I presume

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[July 18, 1901]
they have remained -- I want very much to obtain a copy of all [underlined] these records, & if they are still in the Pension office & it is allowable, am willing to pay for a copy of them all [underlined] - you kindly sent me the record of Robert Caruthers soldier of War of 1812 & his descendants - I appreciate your kindness in this, but the records of ancestors prior to this one is what I want -- I wish to become a member of the society of the Daughters of the American Revolution, and those

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records will establish my claim to descent from Revolutionary ancestors. it is of Reese Porter [underlined] & Robert Carithers [underlined] or Caruthers & John Thomas that I wish information especially -- Can the records I speak of be found? Please let me hear & oblige.

Very sincerely (Mrs.) Hn C. Anderson  Jackson  Tennessee  July 18, 1901

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[stamp] Received Apr 19 1937 Mail Sub-Div. Vets, Adm. Reader # 56

Tennessee Wesleyan College 
Athens, Tennessee
April 17, 1937

Veterans Administration
Washington, D. C.

Dear Sirs:  I shall be very grateful if you will send me a copy of the pension record of Robert Caruthers, sometimes called Captain, Revolutionary soldier of North Carolina, who was one of the "Black Boys of Mecklenburg" and later fought in the Battle of King's Mountain. In 1806 he removed to Maury County, Tennessee, where he died in 1828. 

Very truly yours 
S. C. Evins [signature]
S.C. Evins

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[stamp; back of next letter?]

Received Oct 12 1938 Mail Sub - Div. Vets, Adm. reader

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Franklin, Tenn.  Oct. 9, 1938
Pension Department, Washington, D. C. 

Will you please send the Revolutionary War record of Robert Carothers who enlisted in Mecklenburg Co. N. C.  My family record says he was granted a pension for this service on February the ninth (9th), 1833. At this time he was living in Tennessee.  Thank you for this information. (Miss) Annie Z. Walker, R.F. D. #5  Franklin, Tennessee  October 9, 1938

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May 6, 1937
XXXXXXXXXXX
Robert Carrothers, S.2416
BA-I/MCS

Mr. S. C. Evins   Tennessee Weslayan College  Athens, Tennessee

Dear Sir:  Reference is made to your request for the Revolutionary War record of Robert Caruthers.  The data which follow were obtained from papers on file in the pension claim, S.2416, based upon the military service of Robert Carothers(personal signature Carothers but pensioned as Carrothers) the only soldier of that name that is found in the Revolutionary War records of this office.  Robert Carothers was born February 14, 1750 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The names of his parents were not given. 
While a resident of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, where he had lived since about 1772, he enlisted about the first of June, 1780, and served three months as private in Captain John Brumfield's company in colonel Robert Irwin's North Carolina regiment, was in the battle of Hanging Rock and on the following morning was in a small engagement at Flat Rock. He returned home and immediately enlisted and served two months in Captain Porter's company in Colonel Robert Irwin's North Carolina regiment. He next joined Colonel Davie's regiment of mounted gunmen and served with the North Carolina troops on various short tours against the Tories, about three months in all. 
About 1791 he moved to Davidson County, Tennessee, and six years later he moved to Williamson County, Tennessee, and about 1831 he moved to Bedford County, Tennessee.

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Robert Carothers was allowed pension on his application executed February 9, 1833, at which time he was living in Bedford County, Tennessee, and he was then referred to as Robert Carothers, Senior. 

One James Carothers of Nashville, Tennessee, was living in 1837 but his relationship to the soldier was not shown and there are no further data relative to soldier's family. 
Very truly yours

A.D. Hiller   Executive Assistant to the Administrator
[this appears to be a duplicate of a previously transcribed letter in this set

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[handwritten note at top of letter] copied from M. M. H. F. hist. 4/21/27.

Rev. & 1812 Wars Section.
ADY

May 12, 1930.
Mrs. John L. Neely,  2419 West End Avenue, Nashville, Tennessee.

Dear Madam:  I advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 2416, it appears that Robert arothers (pensioned Carrothers) was born February 14, 1750 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.
While a resident of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, where he had lived since about 1772, he enlisted June 1, 1780, served three months as private in Captain John Brumfield's Company, Colonel Robert Irwin's North Carolina Regiment, was in the battle of Hanging Rock and on the following moning was in a small engagement at Flat Rock.  He returned home and immediately re-enlisted, 1780, and served two months in Captain Porter's Company, Colonel Robert Irwin's Regiment, after which he joined Colonel Davie's Regiment of mounted gunmen and served on various short tours against Tories, about three months in all.  

About 1791 he moved to Davidson County, Tennessee, thence to Williamson County, Tennessee and about 1831 to Bedford County, Tennessee where he was allowed pension on his application executed February 9, 1833.  
It is not stated whether he was ever married. 

Very truly yours,
[no signature
E. W. Morgan, Acting Commissioner.  

[handwritten note]  not on A. B.

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April 21, 1927
S. M. Carothers
Sumter, Box 783  South Carolina

Sir: I have to advise you that from the appears in the Revolutionary War pension claim S. 2416 it appears that Robert Carothers (pensioned Carrothers) was born February 14, 1750 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. 

While a resident of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, where he had lived since about 1772, he enlisted June 1, 1780, served three months as private in Captain John Brumfield's Company, Colonel Robert Irwin's North Carolina Regiment, was in the battle of Hanging Rock and on  the following morning was in a small engagement at Flat Rock.  He returned home and immediately re-enlisted, 1780, and served two months in Captain Porter's Company, Colonel Robert Irwin's Regiment, after which he joined Colonel Davie's Regiment of mounted gunment and served on various short tours against Tories, about three months in all.  

About 1791 he moved to Davidson County, Tennessee, thence

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to Williamson County, Tennessee and about 1831 to Bedford County, Tennessee where he was allowed pension on his application executed February 9, 1833. 

It is not stated whether he was ever married. 

Respectfully, 
[no signature]
Winfield Scott   Commissioner.

[handwritten note on this page:]
I expressed it thus rather than "no family data" as on James Carothers wrote letter about the pension, that Ifelt he might be a son. [referencing the last line of the letter].